Tuesday, June 15, 2010 | 2:01 a.m.
Rory Reid
Sun archives
- County considers plan to privatize airport firefighting force (6-11-2010)
- New plan to curtail Clark County firefighter overtime (6-5-2010)
- Staffing shuffle would cut county Fire Department overtime (5-20-2010)
- Las Vegas, Clark County collaborate to limit firefighter overtime (4-27-2010)
- Fire union resists move to increase its ranks, reduce overtime costs (4-16-2010)
- Has fire union support become a campaign curse? (4-15-2010)
- ‘Boot drive’ OT for individual firefighters is unknown (4-4-2010)
- Practice of on-duty firefighters raising money for charity questioned (3-31-2010)
- Fire union goal: Silence Sisolak (3-19-2010)
- Las Vegas firefighters burn up more sick time than other city employees (3-14-2010)
- Clark County firefighters profit from sick leave policy (3-7-2010)
- ‘Longevity pay’ costs millions in county (12-10-2009)
- Firefighters feeling budget backlash (5-28-2009)
- County, fire union break ice with heated words (5-7-2009)
- Firefighters have perks to give back, if they wanted to (4-29-2009)
Rory Reid slammed the Clark County firefighters union Monday for its full-page newspaper advertisement that accused him of pushing a plan that will result in “unjustifiable delays in life saving expertise.”
The ad singles out Reid because “as chairman of the Clark County Commission, Rory Reid is in charge.” Union leaders also know that as the Democratic gubernatorial candidate, Reid is the commissioner with the most at stake. So the ad repeatedly calls the moves the county is making to slash millions from the fire department’s budget “the Reid plan.”
The ad says elimination of the county’s heavy rescue and hazardous materials teams and other staffing rearrangements going into effect by the end of this month are removing county residents’ “lifeline in car accidents, flash flooding and chemical releases” and reducing protection for the Strip.
Reid said he doesn’t buy it.
“The firefighters want the public to think this is about safety,” Reid said. “In fact, the only thing at risk is the firefighters’ paycheck and that’s what this is all about.”
“They’re trying to bully me and I won’t be bullied,” Reid added. “It’s a redundant service. Response times will be exactly the same and the public will be protected. The only difference is firefighters will receive several million less.”
Ryan Beaman, president of the county firefighters union, said the union felt compelled to begin a “series of ads.” By e-mail, he said the union feels the decisions “were made without planning. They simply didn’t discuss this with experts in heavy rescue.”
As an example of “how little thought Reid put into the process,” he cites Reid’s contention that response times won’t be increased by giving heavy rescue and hazmat responsibility to Las Vegas.
“Just show me how you can travel 12.3 miles from the city fire station on the corner of Washington and Buffalo in the same time that it takes to drive 3.7 miles from Russell and Decatur to the heart of the Strip.”
“This isn’t a game,” Beaman said, which is the same thing Reid said months ago after a Las Vegas firefighter said she wanted “to shoot” his colleague, Commissioner Steve Sisolak.
“This is about saving lives,” Beaman said. “That’s why we started this series of ads.”
But Reid countered that none of the duties being turned over to Las Vegas are first-response vehicles. The hazmat and heavy rescue units are typically called after first-responders, such as fire suppressors and EMS units, have arrived. In only 45 calls in 2009, he said, were hazmat or heavy rescue called alone.
The plan proposed by the fire chief appears to have widespread political support — five of seven commissioners told the Sun in early June they like the idea. They don’t have to vote on it because the changes are being made administratively.
While the plan won’t result in firefighter layoffs, it will shut down the county’s heavy rescue and hazardous materials teams. It will also eliminate two associated rescue units and move four firefighters from office jobs into the field. The calls that had been going to those teams will now be covered by Las Vegas Fire & Rescue teams as part of a mutual-aid agreement.
The moves free up firefighters — captains, engineers, firefighters and others who had been tethered 24/7 to the heavy rescue and hazmat equipment — to become part of a rotation of relief employees slotted to cover for absent firefighters at straight pay, instead of the overtime usually paid out.
Over the next year, these job shifts are expected to cut overtime by $4.5 million. Another $1 million in overtime savings is expected by ending full-time staffing for two on-call trucks: one hauls breathing apparatus to fire scenes, another hauls extra water when hydrants can’t be found. That staffing change has begun.
Last year the county paid $15.3 million in overtime to roughly 640 firefighters, or about $589,000 every two weeks. In comparison, overtime pay for the rest of the county’s 3,677 general fund employees totaled roughly $2.7 million.
But overtime pay is not mentioned in the full-page ad, which a Review-Journal advertising representative said would cost $11,592 for weekday publication at the daily rate. If the union bought ad space for multiple days, it could have gotten a volume discount.
The backdrop to all this is that the union and the county are negotiating a labor contract.
The ad also comes during a week when 109 county employees — none of them firefighters — are to be told they will be laid off July 6. Another 50 part-timers are also being let go. And more than 100 vacant jobs will be added to a growing list of county positions that won’t be refilled.
Commissioner Tom Collins, who expresses his firefighter support by visiting different fire stations each month, defended Reid on Monday.
“I think it’s kind of awful to attack Rory Reid,” Collins said. Last week, “the cowboy commissioner” told the Sun that he “loved” the cost-reduction plan.
He then hinted that Beaman, the union president, isn’t doing what his members want him to do.
“Ryan Beaman probably needs to listen to his members a bit more,” Collins said. “I don’t think any of them want pay cuts, but I think there are ways they can meet budget shortfalls, and that could mean premiums that can be cut back on.”
The ad repeats Beaman’s prior statements about how the fire union has offered “solutions” during “tough financial times.” The “concessions” that the union offered last year, however, would have ended up costing the county $3.8 million more than they would have cut, county officials said. When the county refused the offer, the union alleged the county was endangering cancer patients because the union had wanted its “savings” to fund a cancer clinic at University Medical Center.
The ad also warns that a single tanker of chlorine, manufactured in Southern Nevada, has enough chemical “to kill 150,000 people.”
“(The) Hazardous Materials Team would be the first to respond,” it concludes.
Under the new system, however, the hazardous materials team would still be the first to respond, it would be Las Vegas Fire & Rescue’s team instead of the county’s.
The ad warns that the changes “will increase the time it takes to respond to a life-threatening emergency by as much as 300 percent.”
The ad concludes by urging readers to call Reid and tell him to change course. It then lists his office phone number.
About halfway through the day, Reid’s office had received about 30 phone calls, a county spokeswoman said, with more than half of those favoring the plan to reduce firefighter overtime.
Reid said the ad only strengthened his convictions.
“It’s a scare tactic whose purpose is to divert attention from the fact that firefighters have been unwilling to help us through a very difficult economic period, and I’m going to continue to do what’s right for the public and to demand they be more responsible,” he said.








Wow--a tanker of chlorine manufactured in Nev. can kill 150,000 people. For their ad the firefighters union should have included a picture of Nicholas Cage in "The Rock". Or Mila Jovovich in "Resident Evil." Or Peter Graves in "Mission Impossible" since so many MI episodes involved some type of canister containing a chemical that could kill thousands of people.
Now lets deal in scaring the hell out of the people so that you cry babies can get your way....Grow up and take the hit like everyone else has!!!!!
The only time the firefighters are worried about is their overtime.
Its the taxpayers ash that is on the line here!
The firefighters are fast losing friends with their scorched earth policy.
Unions have brought California to the brink of financial calamity, and they will do the same thing to Nevada.
One reason the firefighters get so much overtime is the county commission requires the fire department to show up at every car accident and almost every incident with a medical issue. If the fire department only showed up for fires, there would be no more ot and no more issues. If someone dings your bumper at a stop light, a fire truck will show up. Thank Rory Reid for this.
hey rory...
you want to be governor pal...
that is exactly how you do it...
crush the community destroying firemen and their OUTRAGEOUS salaries...
the public is behind you 100%...
no one wants to pay a fireman 186k a year...
NO ONE...
especially when unemployment is over 14%...
and foreclosures are still at an all time high...
crush these community destroying firemen...
and you will be elected governor...
guaranteed...
boys and girls...
ole tommy collins visits different fire stations every month...
hmmm...
doesn't ole tommy collins have a fireman's helmet in his office...
hmmm...
i wonder if he had anything to do with the fact that firemen make an average salary of 186k a year...
hmmm...
NEVER VOTE FOR TOM COLLINS AGAIN!!!
boys and girls...
ole chris giunchigliani is a strong supporter of the firemen...
hmmm...
i wonder if she had anything to do with the fact that firemen make an average salary of 186k a year...
NEVER VOTE FOR CHRIS GIUNCHIGLIANI AGAIN!!!
in fact...
ole chris is up for re-election as we speak...
KICK CHRIS GIUNCHIGLIANI'S SORRY TAIL OUT OF OFFICE!!!
As usual, the varied interests within the Democratic Party begin to eat their own. The fire fighters, like the SEIU, believe they deliver elections and anyone not marching to their orders are to be destroyed.
The biggest drain on public finances in almost every city are over paid fire fighters with work rules that make the Post Office look efficient. It is time to reign in these egotistical "heroes" and bring their staffing and work rules closer to private employment, or contract out their jobs and make them private employees.
THE LOWEST FIREMAN MAKE $186,000 PER YEAR. HOW MANY
RANKING FIREMAN MAKE ABOVE $250,000 AND UP??
THAT IS CRAZY !!!!
A union fire firefighter proclaiming that a release of anhydrous chlorine can kill 150,000 people? That's one of the stupidest statements ever made and lacks absolutely no technical merit.
I'll bet he's never been to the chemical plant, has absolutely no understanding of the controls, and has no desire to learn about chlorine. I guess this idiot forgets that the drinking water we all consume is safely disinfected with chlorine every day.
Such statements reflect the arrogance of the firefighter union and confirms he has absolutely no concern for the people of Clark County. It's all about the Benjamins.
hey rick...
here you go buddy...
be forewarned...
you might want to have a trash can nearby...
people have been known to puke at the mere sight of this list...
http://transparentnevada.com/salaries/20...
In a large South/East City - A bunch of fireman were collecting donations at the intersections - Holding out the rubber boot to drivers windows - Collecting money for various children's causes. Cancer, diabetes, toys 4 tots - etc.
This was a weekly event and most drivers dropped a few bucks into the boots.
After the collections ended, a local news team filmed about 25 firemen sitting in a Tony Roma's, polishing racks of ribs, mounds of potato salad, bbq beans, pitchers of cold frosty beer and the works - Tab was about $600 bucks and paid for with the Boot donations -
When confronted, the FD supervisor said - the men/women earned the feast for their hard work (3 hours) collecting the money. A big story on a local level and virtually stopped the collections. Drivers/donors no longer trusted these guys/gals just because they had a Dalmatian and shiny red truck.
The fireman @ large - has a sense of entitlement that is astounding! It will never end until they're told NO - We have troops in wars being paid 1/6 what these guys/gals think they're worth!
JUST SAY NO!
@ chemicalengineer
http://www.usfa.dhs.gov/downloads/pdf/pu... and weep.
@ Neiman1
"The biggest drain on public finances in almost every city are over paid fire fighters", care to back that up with facts?
The start to the end of the Reid campaign for Governor, look at the facts and not the fluff being fed to you.
peace and love
hey hlpme...
want some facts pal...
http://transparentnevada.com/salaries/20...
"A sense of entitlement" which has been posted as a reason that the fire department boys refuse to give up ANYTHING is totally correct. Along those same lines, "A sense of entitlement" and sucking on the governments tits by the Reid family is why Roy is taking on the FD now, when the public has had it with their (Reid boys and the FD) arrogance!
This is just to pretend Rory Reid is doing something to scale down the outrageous firefighters' salaries because he is running for governor. He was actually behind the firefighters' salary raises and overtime pays even when they are just working out in the gym or doing a 'boot drive".
Good morning everyone, glad to see you all are here.
@ chemical engineer- Because I don't know, how much damage would a rail tanker full of that chlorine stuff do?
Ha Rory signed off on their rediculous contract and now he's bashing it... hmm just like his worthless daddy.
The Clark County Commissioners for years took campagin money and endorsments from the unions to insure good pay and benifit packages. The county is broke, along with tax payers and cannot afford any increases in pay and benifits for government workers. Now, the dog bits the hand that feeds it, how poetic.
Aloha Birdie; I still see you are the wingnut we have all come to know!..
Mahalo For my Hawaiian Home... :)
Your be$t friend $kip$ter....
Hello all Im confused still, Im a Firefighter/Paramedic and I don't make a 186k I made 72,000 for the year. So can we change the lowest paid guy to 72,000 Birdie?
Is that gross or net Moose? That obviously does not include insurance and retirement.
So no we can't change the lowest paid guy to $72,000.
Also, how long have you been on the job?
I have been on 3 years. That was my gross my net was just shy of 53,000. it doesn't include benefits or my retirement. I dont think thats a fair way to view how much I make though.
Since when does insurance and retirement benefits get added to base pay to describe salary? I work in the public sector and my salary does not include health insureance and 401K contributions. My salary is what I take home in a paycheck. Is this new and something that only applies to the fire service? What about the cops?
Just a comparison I was a bellman and was making 600 in tips a week and 13.25 an hr. That roughly comes to roughly 59,804. That doesnt include benefits or my retirement when I did work there.
Moose, the "transparentnevada.com" numbers, I believe, include overtime, retirement, benefits, etc. Essentially the entire cost of the employee to the taxpayer. I agree that it's not usually what we consider when we think of our own salaries, but as an employer, it is what I look at when I hire new people. Just looking at things from a different perspective.
Since you offered up some info, does that $72K include your overtime? I really think that's the source of much of the controversy. I think many of us have heard of people abusing the OT system, not just here in NV, but everywhere, and when we see some of the actual numbers, a lot of people got concerned.
Much respect for you getting involved in this debate, by the way. Please ignore the crazy people that wish terrible things on you. They're bitter and they'll never be happy, you should feel sorry for them.
The firefighters in this city are a joke. I see tons of them every Friday night at the night club Stoney's in their official shirts soliciting donations as they are getting extrememely liquored up and starting trouble with guys girlfriends.
improveLV yes the 72,000 does include my OT for the year and my holiday pay. I will also share that I make 19.36 an Hr. Times are changing though with the economy I have a friend on LVFD who is averaging one overtime shift about every 8 weeks which comes to roughly 6 to 8 for the year.
hey moose...
so that $72k does not include overtime...
how much did you get in overtime last year???
in addition...
does that $72k include insurance and retirement benefits???
Birdie if you read I said that did include my Ot for the year.
lookie here...
lookie here...
our old friend tundra is checking in from his "Hawaiian Home"...
atta boy...
answer me this tundra...
did clark county taxpayers pay for your "Hawaiian Home"???
hey moose...
that 186k number is an average...
some actually make more than 186K...
and you appear to make less because you are fairly new...
by the way...
do you have a college degree???
Thanks for the response, Moose. I think the $181K number was the average, not the minimum.
Rory Reid's position on this issue is a joke. Take some responsibility for your involvement, and don't just throw the FF under the bus. It takes two sides to come to an agreement, and we elected one of those sides (so we also have to take some responsibility for electing dishonest, and/or corrupt, and/or incompetent leaders).
At the same time, I don't like the union leader's response. "It's about saving lives". I was actually on board with him and his argument before he made that comment. We know that every union's primary purpose is to get more for its members, while doing less. Just be honest about it, or don't bring the "saving lives" issue into the argument. It sounds insincere.
oopsy daisy...
appears as though our old friend tundra is actually thanking us "for" his "Hawaiian Home"...
and not checking in "from" his "Hawaiian Home"...
i really must brush up on my hawaiian...
but you know...
that actually begs the questions even more...
so what do you say tundra...
did clark county taxpayers pay for your "Hawaiian Home"???
@ theanswer- Plain and simple---you are a liar.
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@improveLV--- It's nice to hear from someone on here with some integrity and who doesn't just want to spread their misery to everyone else.
As far as Reid goes, it's funny how all of a sudden he is an expert on the FD. I wish he would have named his resources on this matter. I'd like to know who told him that response times would not be effected? Is it right to shut down these specialized teams? I don't know. They where put in place for a reason at the time. As long as you don't need them I guess it's all good ,right?
@ Birdie -----for cryin' out loud-----shut up! You're not even amusing anymore.
To Birdie, Could not buy the many properties I own on the so called "$250, 000/ year", but it does help pay the taxes!..Just sitting on my lanai reading your posts..
Me ka aloha pumehana
$kippy..
Moose/Askarri,
The reason the retirement, insurance,etc is factored in is because of the costs to the taxpayer.
When you were working as a bellman, those things were paid for by you and your employer.
Moose, I do appreciate your openness.
$450.00 everyday day for the rest of your life?
$1,500.00 everyday when you work?So we could have 3 men at $500.00 a day.Or 6 men at $250.00 or about $25.00 per hour per man for 10 hours.Well what if 12 men,then they would only make $12.50 per hour.These must be super human people.So if they are not "super human" we could 12 times as many people on the fire dept 120,000 firemen one for every ten homes,or two per mile of road,they could be like personal protectors.Maybe fuzzy math but it smells like pigs at the public trough.
To Birdie; Thanking or Checking in, what does it matter?. I am here chillin and you are in Vegas sweating and stressing.
I'll have a cold one for you..
Kala-Kala :)
Don't you feel sorry for the firefighters? I do. I mean, they only make $186k a year or more. I wonder how they manage to get by and support families on that kind of pay?
Give them hell, Rory!
Rory Reid will say anything to get a vote for Governor
No Reid can ever have my vote
hey moose...
don't clam up on us now buddy...
answer the question...
did you go to college???
hmmm???
you see son...
seems to me that $72k + insurance + retirement...
only 3 years in...
without a college degree...
is OUTRAGEOUS...
want to know why...
because i don't think you could come anywhere close to that anywhere else...
because i think we could replace you for literally half of that...
got that pal...
HALF!!!
hey tundra...
did you retire???
or...
are you just enjoying a few of your 20+ days off a month???
@NVDad-
Original.......Did it take you all weekend to think that up genius?
@ Birdie-
You couldn't replace a worn tennis shoe....
All you do is complain without providing reasonable solutions...
Who do you really work for????
The Mayor, Sisolak......
Maybe you are Sisolak.....
There is that rumor that he posts on here....
So any more stupid things you want to say......
Everyone pretty much skips over your posts anyway....
Your all alone......
got THAT pal......
dhvincent- Now that is a solution I think everyone could live with. The city already does that with it's HazMat crew.
The numbers don't lie
http://transparentnevada.com/salaries/20...
To Birdie, No not yet, just over here in the garden state getting all my vacation rentals ready for the summer.
and yes I do enjoy my 20 days off...
@ RACE_CAR_DIVA- Are you sure sweetheart? Are you 100% positive those are the correct salaries the people listed there?
hey tundra...
you're in jersey???
thought you were in hawaii???
or...
are you one of those firemen who doesn't have a college degree???
hey moose...
what's the matter champ???
does the truth sting a little???
hey croc...
sorry to burst your bubble buddy...
but i am not sisolak...
nor do i work for him...
i am just your average OUTRAGED citizen...
know what 's funny pal...
you always go on and on about how nobody reads my posts...
hee hee hee...
we both know that's false...
hoo hoo hoo...
funniest part of all...
you say that while you are responding to my posts...
haa haa haa...
@ Birdie- Your right pal, I do read you're posts. It reminds me that there is still some incredibly ignorant people in this town. If you notice, you're the only person on here that sounds like a spoiled brat of about 5 years old. I mean look at your last post........Really?
Oh and by the way, you're WAY below average!!!!!!!
Croc 1 must be one of these spoiled firefighters. I do not lie Croc you must be one of the firefighters that I saw arguing at Stoney's on Friday night, over talking to someone's girl that didn't want your drunken advances.
@Birdie- You keep harping on a college degree like it is some kind of life line. Some of the stupidest people I know have a college degree! A college degree is a piece of paper- a job is experience. Most of the people I work with have a college degree and we are not white collar workers. Are only white collar workers entitled to earn a decent salary? And didn't college degree councilmen negotiate the firemans contract?
hey irish...
you make some valid points...
however...
this issue must always be considered in proper context...
unemployment is over 14%...
foreclosures are still running rampant...
and the average fireman makes 186k...
that is OUTRAGEOUS...
there is nowhere else on earth this many people without college degrees can earn that much money...
you know...
i remember when government employees made less than the private sector...
less...
and the trade off was the work was not as demanding and the benefits were great...
it was a fair deal...
now...
these community destroying firemen make twice as much as they could possibly make anywhere else...
especially without a college degree...
twice as much...
easy...
also...
i would add...
that since a college degree is not a requirement for the job...
they sure as hell would be easy to replace...
easy as hell...
i bet we could find a ton of people that would be willing to do ole mooses job for half of what he makes...
half...
36k + insurance + retirement...
in this economy...
no problemo...
and make no mistake my friend...
this budget crisis was solved with smoke and mirrors this year...
next year it's gonna get ugly...
real ugly...
The firefighter's union sucks as much as the firefighters do. You freakin babies who are coddled with mucho overtime $$ I hope you eventually get fired like the air traffic controllers did!! Besides you suck at putting out fires!
Croc1, if I remember correctly aren't you a firefighter? Until you can learn proper english grammer and spelling you shouldn't criticize others. Maybe you should think about going back to school for one of those pieces of paper called a degree, I'm sure you have the financing for it, or at least you did until now, hahahahah!
The fact is almost every major fire department staffs a full time heavy rescue company. As a matter of fact even many small departments staff the rescue company full time. Rescue companys are trained in all facets of specialized rescue i.e. rope rescue, confined space, trench, and building collapse to name a few. In a municipality the size of Clark County a dedicated heavy rescue company is a necessity not a luxury. Rescue companies save lives every day from the motorist trapped in a vehicle to the construction worker requiring extrication from a trench collapse. In the city of New York we staff a heavy rescue for every Borough (5) and have 7 Squads which are companies that are similarly equipped and do rescue work. While its apparent the salaries of firefighters are very unpopular please do not let this contempt cloud the issue.
Gotta put in my 2cents... Firefighters do not need anything more than a high school diploma to be overpaid. As a teacher with TWO Masters Degree, I still make less than a high school graduate who is a firefighter. Stop talking to me about burning buildings.. If we were overpaid, we would run in and rescue people to. You are overpaid and you know it.
The advertising of the Union is terrific. The Union states that Rory Reid is in charge of the Clark County Commissioners. For a Union this is the sweetest music to a candidate's cockles that can be. Mr. Collins seems pleased with the ideaology of the advertising and should inform the Firefighters Union that Rory Reid is in charge of the Clark County commissioners at every meeting and to remind his Union and the members that Rory was not placed on any Golden Street platter when he was introduced to the political side of Las Vegas.
If you compare the politics of Las Vegas to rural America the politics of rural America fire department and EMS will cause any fire Union and EMS and EMT Union to have heartburn and coffee grounds in the BM in the morning. Bleeding ulcers from all the firehouse food.
Recently a rural America Fire Chief and Bubba his Assistant Fire Chief, both of whom will weigh in at about 535 lbs., finally squeaked out of their MM mouths that their EMS and EMT only covers so much of the County and the rest of the County including rural roads and rural accidents is covered by the much lesser rural volunteer firefighters and a couple of EMTs.
Alright im back sorry it took me a bit to respond. Birdie yes I did go to college, I have my bachelors degree. Not sure what that has to do with the subject. Birdie there is plenty of jobs that you can make that much Cocktail waitress at night clubs, Bellhops, valet, bartender at a busy club...... so thats not a valid point. I tried to answer all the questions if i missed some let me know and i will try to get to them.
As a retired member of the Ironworkers union, I am a believer in unions and such phrases as "a fair living wage" as well as "eight hours pay for eight hours work". I don't, however, believe that union negotiators should resort to scare tactics (or worse, the rather specious claims of "heroism-by-association" used by firefighter and police unions after 9-11). It would appear incumbent upon the firefighters union negotiators to remove the stars and dollar signs from their eyes and open their eyes to the present day economic realities, to assess the actual needs/requirements of not only their members but the communities they serve and negotiate in good faith.
I have to admit, the ff on here have been trying to not come across with a sense of entitlement, since it doesn't help their image. Guys like croc and moose seem like decent guys. The jurys still out on tundra though, but he usually just like to tweak birdie.
However, you guys need to get the ff wives in check.
Its posts like hearts, saying not to attack ff, then calling people "whiners" and laughing at teachers.
Hey heart, if there is a fire at a school, don't you think it will be the teachers making sure the kids get out safely?
Let me explain hearts.... myself, or anyone on here can post their thoughts and opinions on ff and their pay. The reason being, is that they are public sector workers...civil servants. Their pay is the result of tax dollars from the private sector.
So while you are using the pay, insurance and benefits, pension, etc etc etc.........that comes from the taxpayers.
So coming on here saying to "quit whining" only serves to aggravate the very people who are taxed to pay these wages.
SO since this is America, and I can voice my opinion, I will. And since my tax dollars support your lifestyle, maybe you can try and be a little more understanding. Thanks.
Im just trying to stay on topic i believe Hearts is entitled to her opinion, as well as unsilent_majority to his. Its not fair to say this is America so one can voice there opinion and not the other. In regards to any other questions feel free to ask.
I have been watching this issue for a few months now and been researching it on my own (for my own knowledge and understanding). I admit I am naive about politics, but I'm not sure we are getting the whole truth here. How can they remove critical services and units from service and tell us, the end user, that there will be NO delay in services? I understand that emergencies don't happen at perfect intervals. What happens when these services are needed and the Las Vegas fire department is committed to another emergency? Will I or my family suffer? I think so. It is also my understanding that these units are being permanently removed from service. They are not going to "be available" to respond if needed. As an "end user" I worry about losing these vital services. Please don't decrease the valley's protection I depend on for myself and my family for "political posturing". This is one gamble I don't want to take.
@ rphamblin-
I never said I was a genius, and I'm sorry if my grammar offends you. But if that's all you have. You lose! And the air traffic controllers were fired because they went on strike when it was in their contract that they could not. But being the road scholar that you are, I'm sure you knew that. How's private ambulance doing? And you know nothing about firefighting
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@ unsilent -
With all due respect my friend, taxpayer dollars pay me to do my job, and that's what I do. I do what your tax dollars pay for without exception. But it does not give taxpayers carte blanche to personally attack me. I agree with you that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I will defend myself from personal attacks. And if that means I feel the need to redirect some unpleasant or even despicable attacks back to where they originated, then so be it.
Thank you for not being one of those ugly people.
The bottom line is that many of us Las Vegans have taken huge hits in this economy, and the ff's seem to be oblivious to this. Yes, RReid was complicit in this current contract -- which is horrendous -- the commission is full of Democrats, after all. But the ff come off as greedy, refusing to budge while other county workers are given the axe and while we in the private sector have suffered massive layoffs, pay cuts and a permanent end to the 401k employer match.
The fact that the Sun, the liberal/pro-Democrat voice of the community, is highlighting the ff's greed and selfishness here, shows the union's lack of credibility. If the ff's cared about the community like they allege, why don't they stop playing politics with these silly ads and just agree to a responsible pay package? As long as they cling to their post-9/11 gravy train, "hero"-level salaries and benefits, and continue to abuse sick/overtime pay, they will be seen as a bunch of taxpayer-bilking leeches.
I think that police officers and firemen/women should be paid the same salary as teachers. This would DEFINITELY help straighten out the financial problems. Why is it that teachers have to get an education and are paid less? To be a fireman/woman or police officer, you don't need a Bachelors degree, but you get paid more than teachers!? Doesn't make sense!
Someone posted the firefighter contract a few months back. After looking at that, the starting pay for a firefighter was $17.50/hr. Standard practice across the country has been to utilize personnel in overtime rather than hire new employees due to obvious savings in training, benefits, etc...This practice saves the employers substantial money as long as the employees are willing to work the overtime. According to FF's posting on this site, if they turned down the overtime there were "disciplinary" actions taken against them. I buy stock in this theory because the commissioners signed off on this operational practice. Seems like both parties were doing what they thought was right for our community in the beginning. I do know there is a national standard on the number of FF's needed for a certain number of residents and Clark County is FAR below that ratio! This is what causes the "overtime issue". Human resources and the Commissioners control/approve hiring. We should be pushing for more FF's to decrease the amount of overtime needed, thus keeping salaries at an acceptable level. As a resident, I don't want my services cut. Lets hold our elected officials accountable to keep our safety as a primary concern. Decreasing services/protection should be a last resort. Bring the salaries back into perspective by managing the department, not dismantling it.
One thing missing from the discussion about shutting down the heavy rescue and Haz Mat units, what is the plan to deal with a second call that comes in for the rescue or haz mat while the much further away units are already committed to a call? Part of having more than one set of response units is to assist and to deal with second calls. Cutting out needed response units is never a good idea. And the ignorance of the politians and firefighter haters on this site is increasingly getting more and more entertaining. The misinformation and out and out lies are just hilarious.
"One thing missing from the discussion about shutting down the heavy rescue and Haz Mat units, what is the plan to deal with a second call that comes in for the rescue or haz mat while the much further away units are already committed to a call? "
I commented on this before...if we are going to use that argument then why not have a third just in case the first two are in use....why not have a fourth...we would be safer yet, correct?
You have less and less of a return on each marginal unit of work. This is especially true in a system where there is no ability to create work (you cannot get ahead...only work can be done as it comes in).
If there is a second haz mat need (no idea if anybody can give me the numbers when we had a critical haz mat call when the first unit was unavailable) they could prioritize by imminent danger. And of course nobody is going to have the numbers that lead to any life savings related to the SECOND unit being deployed when the first was unavailable....that would actually justify what your saying instead of the same ols rhetoric!
In this article Reid is quoted as saying "in 2009 only 45 calls were Hazmat or Heavy Rescue called alone". According to the District General Manager of the Clark County Regional Flood Control District; "a flash flood in July 2009 saw more than 200 swift water rescues performed by the Clark County Fire Department. This flood caused more than $20 million in property damage and 2 people died". This was one storm that occurred over one day. It is my understanding that the Heavy Rescue team takes the lead on swift water rescue calls. Having seen these rescues on the news I can't imagine they would only send a single team to save someone needing rescue from flood waters. I question Mr. Reid's choice of wording in that statement. I want to hear the TRUTH about the impacts this decision will have on our community. July is the beginning of flash flood season. I hope our community is prepared if and when we have another flood.
in your example a second team would not be enough either...so they did what they were trained to do and the ff's helped. This isn't like having a cop doing a firemans job and vice-a-versa..they all have cross training in this matter! We cannot have 50 units on hand for this no more than you would have a guard sitting at your home, armed, at all times of the day and night...yes you would be safer but you cannot plan and prevent everything that MAY happen when there are budget constraints. Right now we have serious budget constraints and something has to give.
I believe it is dangerous and naive to think that removing these critical services will have no impact on us. If this were true, we wouldn't have these services to begin with. If we didn't need them they would have not gone on any calls last year. Truth is, with a city of our size, these are necessary services. I was just told that the ambulance/rescue unit at those stations are being removed from service as well. Do the residents in those areas know that they are losing their ambulance/rescue trucks as well? I would like an explanation of HOW this will not affect the response times in our communities. Please MANAGE the Fire Department. Do not downgrade my protection because of a political shoving match.
Proud,
I understand your concerns...I am with you on wanting more information. First I want to know how much response times are being decreased under the proposals and if that difference is critical. Then I would want to know how often could this be critical? Not just that seconds can save lives...I understand that but that will bring me back to asking then why don't you add 80 more stations? It is not economically feasible and sustaining what we have now may not be either.
FF's like to talk about what COULD happen and never seem to be able to answer what IS happening. They also assume that resources and money availability is not part of the considerations.
Again, if you want me to believe that these make a difference then why doesn't anybody try to convince me that even more is better? We all know it is true but it isn't economical...neither is what we are doing under our current system!!!
I agree akrowbuck...at some point there is too much redundancy. but NO option isn't the answer either. We have these services, we use these services. This doesn't sound like a "minimal impact" decision to me. I agree the overtime needs to be reigned in. Hiring more personnel seems to be the logical answer for a department driven by overtime. This would bring the salaries back to normal. After looking at their contract, their pay scale isn't outrageous ($17.50/hr starting). It is clear that the overtime has driven their salaries far above the norm. From my perspective, this is was a management decision that has had negative affects over the long term. Blaming our FF's for a management decision isn't fair. As a resident who has potential for needing these services, I don't want them to disappear. Hopefully I won't need these services, but if I or my family do, I want them right away, not coming from 15 miles away.
akrowdybuck,... Agreed. We as the residents of Clark County deserve to know exactly how these decisions will affect us. This seems like a decision that should be brought to the residents in an open forum to voice our concerns and get facts. Let us hear from the Fire Chief and the commissioners how this will impact our community.
Awwwwww , whats a matta wowey ? the lil bwats you been feedin biting yow hands now?
Just a quick comment to illustrate how thin the county is running this department. They're at least 22 Fire Departments around the country that run over 100,000 calls a year. The average personnel and stations that run the same amount of calls as CCFD are 900 and 40 respectively. Clark county on the other hand has 640 and 29. So go ahead and make cuts and pretend they wont make a difference your only kidding yourself.
dad134- I did a lot of research and found that Clark County fire department is extremely understaffed compared to the size of our community. I think this further illustrates why their overtime has ended up where it has. I have a friend who is a chief of a similar sized fire department. After many conversations it is fair to say that most of the country is feeling the financial squeeze. When I explained the latest plan to eliminate the hazardous material unit and heavy rescue unit he was shocked. He could not believe the department would even consider placing these units temporarily out of service, let alone eliminating them altogether. I'm not as technical but it was explained that this would have incredible impacts. Further research seems to echo his statements. I'm not sure this plan has been thought all the way through. The public needs an open forum to discuss this BEFORE it happens. Let us hear the FACTS and make an educated decision on OUR safety. I'm not saying it won't work, but I'm extremely concerned at this point with so much information pointing otherwise.
Proudresident- Cuts will indeed have to be made but the rhetoric has gotten out of hand. The one suggestion that these units could be cross staffed sounds like a start, CCFD is a government run entity so obviously there is going to be some ineffiency. But you are correct in thinking this has not been completely thought out. Clark County is huge and to expect 1 unit to cover it all is not in the best interest of our residents.
proud: why is it that when county officials tried to hire new ff's, the union refused? The union whines about the dept being understaffed, and then when the county actually tries to improve ff staffing, the hypocrites balk. It's so obvious: the ff's have gotten used to the extra $$ that comes from the OT scheme they have collectively built up.
Also, you're right. The "public needs an open forum to discuss this..." Unfortunately, the ff union -- and their commission puppets like Collins and Chris G -- agreed to a totally closed negotiation process, which is another point of contention with the public: why are other PUBLIC contract talks transparent but the firefighters are exempt? It's taxpayer money, but again, it's a mentality that is frankly patronizing.
I agree, cuts do need to be made. I think the residents of Clark County should be included on the extent of the cuts. We should have a voice on what we are comfortable with. This could only be done if we were given the opportunity to listen to the Chief/Commissioners explain the facts and impacts to OUR emergency services. It needs to be an open forum so we can voice our concerns and ask questions. My family an I are here for the long haul, I want to know our elected officials have OUR best interest in mind, not just theirs. Removing emergency services at this point seems like it is out of anger/politics and less like an educated/informed decision.
Carlos the union has never refused new ff hires the story your referring to is a early promotional exam which would not have added any personnel.
Proud,
Dont forget to through in the numbers for the CITY DEPARTMENT. We have two departments covering city that is relatively small in square miles. Henderson and North las Vegas have their own departments shrinking our "coverage area" even more. Other areas may have departments but I am not sure.
Do not get caught comparing two totally different sets of numbers...this is the kind of data that they like to spin!
Carlos- I believe the union has asked repeatedly to hire more FF's. If I'm not mistaken, they did not want the County to hold a test for the Engineer position a year early? I inquired about this as well as it didn't sit right with me either. Turns out there is a "timeframe" between tests to allow personnel to study/prepare for the process. Giving the test early would eliminate a large percentage of potential candidates who would not be eligible due to certifications. The negotiations point was discussed here about a month ago. Turns out it is state law (I believe) to negotiate behind closed doors. I don't think the fire department got that law passed, just think it has something to do with the integrity of the process.
Proud- Well said. I hope this is discussed in an open forum and we can all attend.
And lets not get off the real reason so much OT is needed. This is from an earlier article by the sun discussing time off:
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/mar...
"The figures showed the following:
City firefighters were scheduled to work 3,024 hours in 2009. (Firefighters work 10 shifts of 24 hours each month. In 2009, they had one extra pay period.) They averaged 203 hours of sick leave during the year -- equal to a little less than one month of work time. When sick leave was combined with vacation time, city firefighters averaged 534 hours off -- equal to a little more than two months, or 18 percent of their work time.
18%??? This is for the city fire numbers and I have not see county...but 18% = almost 1 out of every five working days is taking off for being sick or for vacation. Yes I understand that your shifts are 24 hours and a sick days has a larger impact...I also understand that the number of days you are scheduled to work are limited so each time you are sick is much less likely to cover multiple shifts. I don't want to hear about being around sick people either...teachers are around sick kids all the time and they have a much stronger immune system because of it!
All that pay and you only work 82% of your 10 scheduled work days a month!
And lets not get off the real reason so much OT is needed. This is from an earlier article by the sun discussing time off:
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/mar...
"The figures showed the following:
City firefighters were scheduled to work 3,024 hours in 2009. (Firefighters work 10 shifts of 24 hours each month. In 2009, they had one extra pay period.) They averaged 203 hours of sick leave during the year -- equal to a little less than one month of work time. When sick leave was combined with vacation time, city firefighters averaged 534 hours off -- equal to a little more than two months, or 18 percent of their work time.
18%??? This is for the city fire numbers and I have not see county...but 18% = almost 1 out of every five working days is taking off for being sick or for vacation. Yes I understand that your shifts are 24 hours and a sick days has a larger impact...I also understand that the number of days you are scheduled to work are limited so each time you are sick is much less likely to cover multiple shifts. I don't want to hear about being around sick people either...teachers are around sick kids all the time and they have a much stronger immune system because of it!
All that pay and you only work 82% of your 10 scheduled work days a month!
akrowdybuck- Those figures I found were only for Clark County and their coverage areas. City Fire Dept was in the same boat, though. I will try and find the figures again. It was a "national standard" on coverage. I believe Clark County was almost 1/2 the size (personnel and stations) as the standard would require. Alarming to say the least. Another point to think about are the "emergency response times". I would like to know how well our fire department is currently making the national standard on response times. We should know this BEFORE we agree to eliminate emergency units.
Akrowdybuck-you are correct the City itself is small in area, but it ends south of Sahara generally. The county covers a much bigger area, not spin, just geography.
Dad: Fair enough on the exam point, but the article still points to an unwillingness of ff to help out in the least bit. The exam "concession" would have ultimately decreased overtime costs, but of course the ff's wanted something in return for such a gargantuan sacrifice.
Sisolak said it best:
"Why do they always have to get something for helping the taxpayer save money or helping out their own members?" Sisolak said. "This isn't asking to cut their vacation days. It's to add an exam so we can have some firefighters ready to become engineers."
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/apr...
akrowdybuck- That is interesting information. I'm not going to pretend to know why they use as much vacation/sick time as they do. From a management standpoint if this is being abused it needs to be addressed immediately. Once again, MANAGE the department but DO NOT reduce services. We as residents do not want to suffer because of a mismanaged department.
County may cover more area but they also may have much more overlapping support...I say may because I do not really know the number here or anywhere else.
You are correct that my point would have fit a lot better if I was talking about the city department than the county. However, I am suggesting that the number of county stations and employees needed is correlated to how much help they are getting covering areas from other departments.
I admit that I have no idea on how the calls are triaged and/or how the services overlap
Carlos-Don't worry the firefighters will give up plenty this time around. Remember this is a contract year that is why you are seeing so many articles. Each side wants to get their point out the Sun has clearly chosen their side.
akrowdybuck- this issue was discussed at length in this forum before. If the FF's were able to take the test and become engineers, there would not be FF's to fill their spots, causing more overtime. In the end, I think this was a moot point spun in the media.
Lets also not forget all these resources we have at our disposal right now cost the taxpayers approximately $8 dollars a month. So shut these units down, even more shut down twice as many units, your taxes will not go down a penny.
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I also know a lot of you don't want to hear this but, you pay for your fire department to be ready in "case" something happens, like an insurance policy. Think of it like car insurance, kind of the same thing. Like it or not. In this economic downturn, have any of you stopped paying your car or house insurance? It's really that simple, no spin.
Akrowdy- The county provides mutual aid into the City approx. 2000 times more a year than the city comes out to the county.
In all honesty I'm not worried about what the FF's give up. These are tough times and everyone knows it. My overwhelming concern here is what WE give up. WE should not allow political games affect the level of service we deserve as the residents of Clark County. I don't want my family or anyone else's to suffer for someone's political gain.
Proud,
You are thinking logically and from a management perspective. Nice...only problem being the union will not allow your logic to EVER hit the departments.
Now we have hit what my real problem is. Unions will get in the way of making rational business decisions. They create barriers to staffing adjustments (both hirings and firings). They interfere with the free market and that is why logical management practices, as you know it, cannot be applied here!
I, like yourself, am much more interested in having coverage instead of protecting ff's wages, benefits, time-off, etc...something will have to give!
My info comes from the Sun, which I admit may be a little biased, but my understanding is that they do not have to even contact a direct when they call of sick! Please correct me if this information is wrong but if true, I fail to see how this could possibly be necessary for legitimate call offs!
Way to much protection...whatever happened to the ff that punted the kids head at 24hour fitness? I bet he is still getting paid!
akrowdybuck- None of us here know the intentions of the unions. With the bias you talk of, do we get the whole story? Who knows. Are we "fed" the information and facts they want to lead us to nasty conclusions? Maybe. As far as specific department practices, I don't know. Once again, MANAGE! Address the offenders. Make no mistake, WE the public are paying the price when they shut down our protection. These units get used. Someone will pay the price if they aren't there. That doesn't sit right with me.
Akrowdy- The union has never gotten in the way of hiring, firing yes, but never hiring. I have always contacted a supervisor prior to calling sick the few times I have had to do so. The FF that punted the kids head was fired.
"LAS VEGAS FIREFIGHTERS OFFER CUTS VALUED AT $7.3 MILLION". This is a headline from 13 Action News dated May 17th. It was rejected by your city counsel There is money. The city's bond rating is the underlying issue here. Otherwise why wouldn't they accept this offer.
I have the article if anyone would like to read it.
croc1- I was told this was the largest concession ever offered by ANY union to the city and the counsel rejected it.
Croc honey, stop arguing with the negative posters. Especially Birdie. He/She is just unhappy and always will be no matter the subject!!! Hopefully and by the grace of god, their house won't burn down or they need transport to the hospital. OR maybe they can put the fire out themselves or heal themselves...
Dad...glad to hear that guy got fired. I've heard from many at the gym that he was a loose cannon.
When someone inflates wages, and wants to protect OT pay, that certainly can impact the ability to hire. There are people willing to work at a lower wage and the county cannot hire them. This have a much larger impact on hiring than you would think at first glance.
Good discussion this round and hopefully I wasn't to over the top and "matter of fact" about my opinion :)
hey geenab65...
was your post above fear mongering???
or a threat???
unemployment is over 14%...
foreclosures are still running rampant...
and yet...
the average salary for a clark county fireman is 186k...
that is OUTRAGEOUS...
that will destroy the community...
that must not stand...
these firemen must be replaced at much lower salaries...
oh by the way...
you do not need a college degree to become a fireman, therefore, you are easily replaced...
and those responsible for this mess must be held accountable...
commissioner tom collins must be held accountable and never elected again...
commissioner chris giunchigliani must be held accountable and never elected again...
everything else is just blah blah blah...
hey davestovall...
you sir...
are a man i can respect...
Proudresident-
I can't say for sure, but that's what I understand. The city manager and all that were given the authority to make a deal by the city agreed, shook hands and the deal was virtually set. Then the city counsel shot it down. I've said this before. It's all about the city's bond rating. The way to keep their bond rating low is to lower overhead basically. That's why the mayor only wants 8% off salaries ONLY. Not total package like they have made the public think.
Sir, believe me, there is still money in this city. The City held over 16% from last year, average is 8%. This whole thing is smoke and mirrors to overt everyones attention from the wasteful spending of the City Hall, Mob Museum ($12 mil from General Fund), As well as furnishing City Hall ($45 mil bids).
By the way, if everyone is "scared" by these facts, maybe that should make you stop and think. These are NOT scare tactics so stop calling them as such. When your mom and dad told you to look both ways before crossing the street, was that a "Scare Tactic" by your parents? No, just facts.
It doesn't matter CCFD is already an ISO # 2; let the layoffs begin.
The rural coordination made almost $ 500,000 last year, yeah, that's a scam.
Bloated government at your service.
Birdie--you are hilarious. You are the gadfly that won't go away. BTW wasn't season 3 of "24" the one where Jack was trying to recover a cannister of a virus that could kill everybody in the country? I can't believe that Jack became a fugitive at the end of the series. In Pasadena they aren't afraid to make cuts to the fire dept. Do you know what? I feel SAFER because it will take longer for the city to go bankrupt.
http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/ci_15311...
Not a threat Birdie Jackass, just wondering since you can heal yourself or put out your burning fire why bother to call 911? You'd already have the fire out or transported yourself to the hospital.
BirdieLoser-
In this economic disaster we now face, I don't really think anyone anywhere can in good conscience think that things can stay the same. Now with that said, you are right about one thing, a college degree is not needed to do this job. But, it just makes you look even more ridiculous than you usually do when you rant and rave about how easy our job is and how easy we can be replaced. It is true that many people apply when the FD is hiring, and those people would gladly take this job. But do you ever stop and think why they are not on the job already? And don't think about the "good ole boy" stuff cause that just won't fly. So if you feel comfortable giving this job to anyone who wants it, good luck. Even though it is soooo easy.
Lets talk about that also. I believe you stated that you know what we do because you have been to a fire station before. So the fact that I've been to a hospital before means I can perform brain surgery? If I dumb it down enough do you see how idiotic you sound? Probably not.
Because you have "seen" what we do, I'm sure you know exactly what it's like to walk into a strangers house and have a mother who is too terrified to even cry hand you her infant child who was just pulled from the bottom of a swimming pool, knowing in her heart that her baby is gone, but looks to you with a sliver of hope that you can keep her whole world from crashing down around her. Then you have to focus on all your training and teamwork to try and bring life back into that little baby. You never forget that look in her eyes. And if you have children their face is all you can see. This is all too real, just read your precious rag for proof how often that happens. Once is too much. None of your precious college degrees can help you then.
Don't spin this into throwing out the "hero" card because that's not what it is. I just want morons like you to think next time you try to trivialize my job.
Love ya Croc!!
I believe the stat about the heavy rescue's run stats is a misnomer. Very rarely would a heavy rescue be dispatched by itself to an alarm. Due to the seriousness of the call types they are assigned to they would be dispatched along with the closest suppression units (engines and ladders). The difference is the rescue company firefighters are usually the elite units of a department since the rescue company has the most training and specialized equipment that probably no other unit carries. While I could understand cross staffing a haz-mat company depending on call volume a dedicated rescue company in a municipality the size of Clark County is essential.
I'm trying to figure Reid out.... He obviously receives large amounts of funding from the unions and as county commissioner, he has been aware for quite some time that the wages have gotten out of control.
As some have said and I agree, there are some really good firefighters. I know a few of them. The overall problem is the union mentality. Especially when it is funded by tax dollars. It's bad enough that tax payers are at the mercy of spendoholic politicians, we also have to worry about meeting union demands or they threaten the the city by stopping services. Taxpayers get slapped around by the underperforming school districts, firefighters, politicians. Union construction contracts that don't ever to finish on time and doesn't seem to ever be the lowest bid. To top that off the taxpayers get to fund city and state employees that make on average 30% more than their private sector equivalent.
In the end, "public servants" are only in the service of self while tax payers are at their mercy.
But what happens when the unions and government out grow the wallets of taxpaying regular American's?
I not sure if one of my firefighting friends understands the problem when all he continues to say is that we just need to raise taxes and everything will fix itself.
@ jr99- FF's are not allowed to strike or "stop services", it's part of our contract. That has never been threatened by any FD. Now private companies are different. For example AMR threatened and came within days of striking a couple of years ago. The same city fire department that gets slammed here stepped up and scrambled to pick up the slack if necessary so there would be no affect of services to the public. Just for clarification.
jr--what happens when unions outgrow taxpayer's wallets? Apparently some states are trying to do something about the problem. In Illinois, pension costs consume HALF of the state's budget. When funding for schools and Medicaid get cut to pay pensions, there's going to be a lot of outrage.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/busine...
Croc1, it does help to know that no striking is in the contract. thank you for mentioning it.
However, it does not change the cost factor. The public sector has inflated in size and the cost has grown faster than that. With unemployment being high in the state and with Nevada losing money to the federal government every year, we find ourselves in predicament. It is time to cut services.
This is like I home that needs to cut back. Sometimes, a family needs to cut back on cable TV, internet services, cell phones, cars, and other areas to preserve the home.
Croc1,
I 100% share your frustration about the stupid mayor building his stupid mob museum and a new city hall for his alcohol.
For many out there that think FF are the ones to blame for their wages, they shouldn't forget the politicians and idiots in charge of the cities finances that agreed to the deals. I'm sure some blame can go to the union negotiators as well. What I do know is that if someone came to me and said that I could make $120,000 to do my same job, I am pretty sure I wouldn't tell them no.
Bottom line, Nevada's finances are not looking good, tourism is down, the job market is bad, home foreclosures are high, many businesses are struggling. Something needs to change and it would be nice if the government could pay off some debt and maybe have some extra money for a rainy day. I guess you don't win votes by saving money. I know it makes me very unpopular with my wife and kids when I save.
@ jr99- I can relate to cutting back at home, although the things that you mentioned are not in place to keep your family safe. These are not necessities as much as luxuries. For example; you wouldn't turn off the heat in the winter, or stop buying a family members medications to cut back.
I'm not against reorganization to streamline services, but I do take offense to politicians cutting vital services because of their own agendas. And it's obvious that's what they are doing. Spending millions of dollars on things we do not need just so you can have your name on a plaque on some building is criminal to me. If they were doing their jobs, their legacy would already be set.
Croc1,
I agree with most of what you say but what some consider necessity is very different to what others consider necessity.
Politicians have really caused problems because they toss around tax payer dollars as you stated, for a "name on a plaque". Politicians create government programs on top of government programs in order to secure votes come election time. Public employees earnings have increased at ridiculous rates where public employees make about 30% more than their private sector equivalent all under the supervision of City Managers and politicians. Overtime hours are expected by hourly city workers at the premium of time and a half and for some double time on holidays and somehow that is suppose to be cost efficient. In the end, citizens and the private pay for the public sector. Politicians are included in that public count with benefits that serve them a life time because it is on the dime of citizens.
We may not agree much but I am glad to see that we both understand that glory seeking politicians continue to inflate costs to serve their self interest and pass the cost to US Citizens.