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President Barack Obama, right, looks at Vice President Joe Biden, left, after making a statement to the nation Sunday night following the final vote in the House of Representatives for comprehensive health care legislation, in the East Room of the White House in Washington, March 21, 2010.
Published Sunday, March 21, 2010 | 6:03 p.m.
Updated Sunday, March 21, 2010 | 10:30 p.m.
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Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California laughs as Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland speaks during a press conference after the House passed health care reform in the U.S. Capitol in Washington, Sunday, March 21, 2010.
This photo provided by the White House taken Sunday, March 21, 2010, shows President Barack Obama talking on the phone with a member of Congress in the Chief of Staff's office at the White House. Aides, from left are, Phil Schiliro, Sean Sweeney, Rahm Emanuel, Jim Messina, and Dan Turton.
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- House poised for up-or-down vote on health care reform (3-20-10)
- Shelley Berkley says she will support health care bill (3-19-10)
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- Health care bill putting Dina Titus’ political future on the line (3-18-10)
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- Harry Reid: 'There is no rush' on health care reform (1-26-2010)
WASHINGTON -- As protesters kept vigil outside the Capitol, the House made history Sunday night by approving health care legislation that will provide coverage to 32 million uninsured Americans and reform unpopular industry practices while promising to reduce the federal deficit.
No sooner than the House secured the first votes on President Barack Obama’s top domestic priority than Republican candidates and campaign committees attacked Nevada’s Democrats and pledged to oust them from office in the fall for their votes.
Democratic Rep. Dina Titus, who faces a tough re-election this fall, said during a floor speech that she would not be intimidated by those running $1.3 million in ads against her. Titus had been among the first lawmakers to vote.
“I made up my mind, wanted to do it and I did it proudly,” Titus said after the final votes were cast at 11:30 p.m. Washington time. “I do believe we were making history.”
The House voted 219-212 on the bill the Senate passed Christmas Eve, and then voted 220-211 on the reconciliation bill that makes changes sought by House members. No Republicans voted for the bills.
House Democrats were hugging one another, shaking hands and signing copies of the inches-thick bill after the votes. Republicans, many of them cross armed, were more somber.
The reconciliation bill now heads to the Senate, which plans to take it up as soon as Tuesday. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid assured nervous House members over the weekend he has the commitment of a “significant majority” of senators to pass it.
In a statement after the bills’ passage, Reid said the House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Democrats understood “this was never about politics; it has always been about people who are struggling every day to keep their families healthy without going broke. This is about the scores of people we hear from every day who need greater security and stability in their health care.”
Reid has said he believes the Senate can pass the reconciliation bill by the end of the week.
Democratic Rep. Shelley Berkley said any delay could further increase distrust between the two houses. “They better get this done,” she said.
The galleries were filled with onlookers, and a line stretched into the hallway of those waiting for a seat. The Obama administration’s Health and Human Services Secretary, Kathleen Sebelius, was in a front row.
Inside the chamber, the debate was fierce and unyielding, a testament to the deep divide between Democrats and Republicans – and the country – on Obama’s signature domestic priority.
Long after the sun had set on the Capitol, a group of tireless protesters remained outside chanting “Kill the Bill.” Even as the votes were under way late in the night, the protests continued.
Majority Leader Steny Hoyer opened the evening debate comparing Sunday night’s vote to those that passed Social Security, Medicare and Civil Rights legislation into law generations ago. The gavel being used will be the same one that pounded down during the Medicare vote of 1965.
“It is a historic choice,” Hoyer said. “A choice we will be honored to make.”
But Republicans warned of what Rep. Lee Terry of Nebraska called a “trillion-dollar tragedy” and Republican Rep. John Shadegg of Arizona called a “bailout for the insurance industry.”
Rep. John Boehner of Ohio, the minority leader, taunted Democrats, asking if they had read the entire bill and its amendments.
“Hell no you haven’t!” he thundered.
Republicans have vowed to try to repeal the bill, if passed, and touted the support of state governors who have pledged to sue, believing the bill’s mandate that all Americans must buy insurance is not constitutional.
“This bill will not last,” said Republican Rep. Joe Barton of Texas.
Developments continued throughout the day as House leaders narrowed on the 216 votes needed for passage. The longstanding issue of abortion coverage gained ground with the White House’s announcement that Obama would sign an executive order following the bill’s passage reaffirming that no federal funding would be used for abortion.
Some anti-abortion lawmakers seemed assured by this move, though anti-abortion groups and some Republicans said the president’s promised order did not change the legislation.
Democrats also fought back an attempt by the Veterans of Foreign Wars to claim that veterans’ benefits would not be protected under the legislation.
The Veterans Administration Secretary, Eric Shinsheki, said, “I am confident that the legislation being voted on today will provide the protections afforded our nation’s veterans and the health care they have earned through their service.”
“Today we have the opportunity to complete the great unfinished business of our society,” said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, “to pass health care reform.”
Nevada’s lawmakers were monitoring the debate throughout the day, sometimes from the House floor.
Republican Rep. Dean Heller delivered a fiery floor speech in which he said Nevadans oppose the bill that would “raise Nevadans’ taxes, kill Nevada jobs and remove Nevada’s seniors from Medicare.”
Heller urged Nevada’s House Democrats, Titus and Berkley, to cast votes that “speak for Nevadans, not their beltway benefactors.”
One Nevada Democratic, however, called out Heller’s comments, reminding that the bill does not remove seniors from Medicare as Heller claimed. “That’s incorrect,” the source said. “There’s nothing in this bill to remove anybody from Medicare.”
Rather the bill would trim back subsidies to the popular Medicare Advantage program, which costs the government 14 percent more to run than traditional Medicare – leaving those seniors on traditional Medicare paying higher premiums to cover those on Medicare Advantage.
The insurance industry has said some companies may no longer offer Medicare Advantage if the government funds are trimmed.
Titus also delivered a strong speech, saying $1.3 million had been spent in her Southern Nevada district to sway her to vote no.
"I won't be intimidated," she said. "I'm standing up for what I believe is in the best interests of my constitutents. ... Now is the time to get it done and pass health care reform."
The Nevadans’ offices were open Sunday, but the Democrats said they had only a slight trickle of visitors despite the protesters outside.
Titus’ likely Republican opponent in the November election, former state Sen. Joe Heck, staged a protest at her Henderson office.
Michael Steele, the chairman of the Republican National Committee, said “Rep. Titus can be sure that voters in her district will not forget this vote that will negatively affect Americans for generations to come, and this November they will be sure to send her packing.”
Republican Danny Tarkanian, the former UNLV basketball player who hopes to unseat Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid this fall, said he would work to repeal the bill if elected senator.
"The passage of the Senate bill may fulfill the career dreams of Harry Reid, but it is a nightmarish blow to our freedoms and to America's financial future,” Tarkanian said in a statement.
Republican Sue Lowden, the former state party chairman who is also running to unseat Reid, said the senator “got his marching orders from a liberal blogger, ignored Nevada voters, wrote a bill in secret, bribed fellow politicians with our tax dollars and once again became the poster-child for Washington incumbency.”
On the national Mall, anti-health care protesters shared space with advocates of immigration reform, who had traveled to the capital for a previously scheduled rally that coincided with the historic health care vote.
By evening, though, only a small group of anti-health care protesters remained, shouting a competing message of “Nancy!” and “No! No! No!” as night fell.
As attention shifts to the Senate, Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader, said Senate Republicans will do “everything in our power” to change the bill.
Under the reconciliation process, senators can offer unlimited amendments to strike provisions or alter the bill. Republican senators have pledged a thorough debate.
With the vote now all but a formality, Obama will have accomplished his goal of Universal Health Care while ensuring the US will lose its' AAA Credit Rating.
Praise the annointed one!
The battle for America has just started.
REPEAL THIS BILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Dems just shoved it down America's throat.
Let's give them a big-o reward come Nov.
Health Care Myths exposed: http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_...
Myth: This legislation is a moral imperative.
The Obama plan would impose additional taxes on the sick -- in part, to subsidize abortions -- and would threaten people with jail time if they do not purchase health insurance. Where's the morality in that?
Myth: This legislation is about saving lives.
Congress could save more lives with less money by creating smaller programs that fight high blood pressure, diabetes and other specific ailments.
By expanding health insurance instead, Democrats are implicitly showing that saving lives isn't the primary goal.
Myth: This legislation would stop abusive insurance practices.
The Obama plan would encourage abusive insurance practices. Research by Obama adviser David Cutler shows that the plan's price controls would force insurers who provide quality care for the sick into bankruptcy. Insurers would therefore use countless and covert means to deny care and avoid, mistreat and dump the sick.
Along the way, the legislation would shower private insurance companies with half a trillion dollars in government subsidies.
Myth: The public wants this legislation.
Polls that ask whether respondents like the legislation's supposed benefits (e.g., reduced insurance premiums for the sick) without asking about the corresponding costs (higher premiums for the healthy, insurers denying care to the sick) are meaningless.
The public has consistently expressed its intense opposition to the Obama plan for eight solid months. Democratic pollsters Pat Caddell and Doug Schoen note that "four-fifths of those who oppose the plan strongly oppose it ... while only half of those who support the plan do so strongly." A small, radical, left-wing minority is foisting this legislation on an unwilling public.
Myth: This isn't a government takeover of health care.
This legislation would force all Americans to purchase health insurance coverage. Government would control what kind of insurance you purchase, where you purchase it, how much you pay and what kind of medical care you receive. Our health care sector would be "private" in name only.
Once government controls those decisions, there will be nothing left to socialize. Make no mistake -- this is a vote on socialized medicine.
This all has to pass through the more level headed Senate but if and when all the tax dollars start flowing into health care, I hope no one on the left complains about all the budget cuts we'll be doing to education - something has to give and there is no way we'll be able to double income taxes to cover the health care bill. Voting for Obamacare was, in effect, a vote against funding education (ironically).
The only thing the Republicans didn't stoop to in their lies to defeat the Healthcare Bill is that the world would come to an end if it was passed.
Why are there Republicans in Congress anymore, why do people waste their vote in electing them, they sit up there and do nothing but compalin and obstruct. That is no way to lead. the least they could have done was offer positive alternatives to all the things they oppose but they don't even do that. All they care about is defeating Obama so they can get another doofus Bush in the White House, keep their own office and do whatever their party leaders want and to hell with the good of the people and the country.
They accuse the Dems of the same kinds of things that they did when they were in power. their kind of government has harmed this country for the 8 years of the previous administration and did absolutely nothing during Bush Sr. and Reagan their hero's administrations.
Look at the bright side, folks: This seals Harry Reid's fate in November. Buh-bye, Harry.
PATRICK GIBBONS STUFF YOUR LIES! YOU'VE BEEN DRINKING TOO MUCH OF THE KOOL AID JUST LIKE A FEW OTHER COMMENTERS HERE.
ABORTION WAS NO PART OF THIS BILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Hyde Amendment is still in force and enforced and the Bill did not call for it's repeal. For those why do not know what the Hyde Amenrdment is, it was sponsored by Rep. Hyde and prohibits government money from funding abortions in any government health plan such as Medicaid or Medicare.
You narrow minded people need to get a heart and a life!
Good job Democrats! About time you got your crap together. I'll be sure to write big checks to Berkeley and Titus for their re-election. Given that there aren't any more limits on donations anymore...
Yes you will....
Democrats must have magic beans that grow money trees.
The Party of "Hell No!" suffers a MONUMENTAL defeat! Great job, Dems!
Good job Democrats.
You sure know how to shove a bill down America's throat.
I hope you get a big big reward this Nov.
"Why are there Republicans in Congress anymore, why do people waste their vote in electing them, they sit up there and do nothing but compalin and obstruct".
They are there to vote against the never ending march toward government control over every aspect of our lives. Government now has the purse strings to your health. Better yet, the country is bankrupt and can't afford what it already promises. Anyone can see those are a bad combination of events. Democrats now control your life. Hope you like what they do from here on out, or you might "be careful what you wish for."
"Look at the bright side, folks: This seals Harry Reid's fate in November."
Thank you, Senator Reid! Yes, we'll make sure he's reelected so he can keep working hard for Nevada's working families.
YES. WE. CAN.
YES. WE. DID!
http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/stat...
can we start clubbing fat people to death now?
i mean...they are now officially a public health hazard, right?
It's just a sad day now. I hope all those who voted for this are not re-elected.
YES WE CAN!!!! THIS IS GREAT FOR THIS COUNTRY! WE ARE GOING TO GET RID OF RUSH LIMBAUGH
Nice! Thank you, Democrats. You are doing the right thing.
Patrick must have been LAUNCHED out of his think tank!!!WHEW!
The spinning in the coming days by the Republicans will be dizzying.
The future of species will be defined by our ability to ensure the health and well being of all human beings. Just as legal slave ownership came to an end so will the illogical disparity of human beings unable to obtain medical care. We are far from this but our science, technology, and passion for good, will, over the course of history, shatter the opposition of human progress based on primitive hatred and selfish greed.
GREAT JOB!!!
So, how long before Obama enacts a national sales tax to pay for this?
Sgt Rock, you mean shoved down our throats the way that the Iraq War was? I thought so.
This will only be the first assault on our once great country! Our President stated at a rally today that he will work to fix immigration reform. Will this be done through the same "bipartisan" process in which health care was forced upon us as well? How soon will "amnesty" be shoved down our throat just like health care was?
Goodbye individual responsibility!
Hello entitlement mindset!
I read through 1234 pages of the massive bill (a little over half) and stopped due to a confusion headache. I didn't read anything about the government providing healthcare. What I did read was there is going to be a new appointed administer of the health mandate by the president, who regulates the policy of mandates upon the citizens of the U.S and the insurance companies.
The only improvements I saw for me and the other 90% of the country with health insurance was begin able to keep dependents on my plan until 26 if they are full time students and not being able have my policy canceled or have excluded pre-existing conditions. What am I going to have to pay for this? Higher taxes.
The 10% who don't have insurance and make above poverty will be taxed at 2% of their income or $6XX, whichever is higher. Those who are below the poverty level will have subsidies or be put on Medicare or Medicaid. Employers would be fined even more if they don't provide insurance for their employees.
In my opinion this bill is cr@p, it doesn't address most of the big problems with the cost of medicine and adds even more problems.
History has been made. This is a great piece of legislation for the american people. The party that did nothing, even when they had the opportunity tried but failed the american people. The people won tonight and big insurance companies lost. I want to thank everyone who voted yes on this legislation. You all have my vote!!!
'Bout time.
A healthy and educated population is required for a country to prosper.
I believe in America and feel she deserves both.
The healthier and educated the American citizen is, the more America will prosper.
Here's to prosperity (healthy, wealth, and the pursuit of happiness).
This is the change that we voted for!
History was made tonight. For the first time in our nations history, a monumental entitlement bill was passed along 100% party lines. This will by far spark huge conservative turnout later this year.
California is already going bankrupt. How will they be able to afford an additional 3-4 billion dollars for Medicare per year?
People might have a right to health care, but what happens when there aren't enough doctors to see a doctor because they get out of dodge? How can libs control that aspect?
What about big companies that will go belly up because of this? Think service industry companies that are already on the brink. What will that do to your city?
Time will prove that unemployment will get worse because of this bill, that premiums will go up, and that service will worsen. All 3 are inevitable. No such thing as a free lunch. Someone now has to pay for the insurance premium of illegal aliens, drug addicts, and other non-contributors to our society. The already broke USA republic just got pushed closer to the edge of the cliff.
Seniors,
President Obama, Dina Titus, Shelly Berkley told you to step aside tonight, but please leave your money at the door.
The democrats just instituted Logan's Run "Carousel."
November can't come quick enough. No matter how it's spun the democrats have sealed their collective fates. Goodbye Dina, Harry, and maybe Shelley! You've added a few more miles of pavement to the road to hell!
Lots of ignorant comments.
I SAY HALLELUJAH - IT IS A NEW DAY IN AMERICA!
Good job boys and girls, men and women! Now I wish you all a great new day!
"Sgt Rock, you mean shoved down our throats the way that the Iraq War was? I thought so."
Let's score that logic.
When the Iraq War Resolution was passed it had....
Majority support in the regular national polls.
Democrats voted for the bill including Backdoor Reid.
When this bill was shoved down our throats it has...
Majority opposition in the regular national polls.
Not one single Republican voted for it.
Hmmmmmm....do you now see the "shoving down America's throat"?
Nope...probably not.....now you can resume drinking the koolaid.
Samson 1 - are you God? how is it that you can judge these folks. When we judge others in that manner we radically dishonor God - some would say that we seal our own fate. I wouldn't gamble in that manner with my eternity.
This spells the end of quality health care for this country! Period! Unless this is appealed, all the elderly folks should be shaking in their boots, because your life will change forever!! There is a large percentage of Doctors who will leave their field when this disaster sets it feet in motion. FORECAST: There WILL be a shortage of Doctors guaranteed, you can't just let all the illegal immigrants and 30 plus million Americans be covered all wanting the same health care with not enough Physicians to take care of everyone. Democrats failed to understand the MAJORITY of Americans do not want this federal run healthcare! Just goes to show you Obama is a blatant fool to push this disaster down everyones throats!
Hospitals and drug makers, which supported the final legislation, would be clear beneficiaries, analysts say, even if the outlook for insurers was less certain.
So if Hospitals get PAID for the services they provide, maybe they can pay doctors and nurses even more money; thus creating a strong desire for young intelligent students in this country to become doctors, nurses and medical care workers.
I am part of the elderly demographic and I applaud this move by our leaders. Time will tell, but if the hospitals like it, then it must be a good thing. I trust hospitals because most of us are born in one and die in one. Instead of taking millions of dollars in write-offs and no-pays, the hospitals can invest in new effective treatments to save lives and improve the medical system nationwide. If we all pay, the market will take care of itself.
Amen brother- amen.
It was a tough way to get campaign finance reform, but by enacting this, nobody will have money to give to candidates anymore...it'll all be going to higher taxes and higher healthcare premiums.
But they did receive a Republican vote... or maybe we need to teach you the number system.
Thanks Republicans, but we really could have done it all without you.
Come to think of it, we did!
100% without you ... and we're better off now too.
We should work 'together' like this more often. Hey, why brake up a winning combination? The democrats with their black President, and the republicans with their white Tea Baggers. Perfect!
Nobody will vote for the "do nothing"
republicans, in November.
Thank you Democrats, for making history again.
I believe in my heart this Bill is right. Wall Street it's your turn:)
"But they did receive a Republican vote... or maybe we need to teach you the number system."
I think you need to take that class first.
Today no Republican voted for the health care bill or the "fix it" reconciliation bill.
Republican Joseph Cao voted for health care reform, Sgt James F Nance Jr Rock.
If one puts emotion aside and looks at the goals of health care in 2009:
Government provided health care
Lower costs by removing barriers to competition
Remove pre-existing conditions
Remove being able to be denied coverage
Tort reform (limiting civil lawsuit amounts)
What was accomplished:
Remove pre-existing conditions
Remove being able to be denied coverage
Mandating coverage with private insurance or Medicaid or Medicare
I was kind of on the fence when they started as I was hoping they would bring costs down and make health insurance rules more easier. What we ended up getting was another government program forcing people to do something and those who have been covered can realistically look for increases.
I don't care if you are a D or a R, watch MSNBC or Fox News, this simply isn't what we were told we were getting, it's another government program to watch us and mandate to private companies to change the way they are doing business.
I was very optimistic when this started and didn't believe the R's when they claimed the bill was junk, but reading over 1400 pages of it now it's not a health reform bill, it's a new government program for taxation and regulation.
If this bill is so good, why doesn't any of the benefits kick in immediately, like preexisting conditions. Some of you people will be dead by 2014.
Also... the people who think there is any significant difference between Democrats and Republicans other than the corporate interests to which they are beholden are pretty effing dim.
If you think that the Republicans are the only politicians who answer to corporations before they answer to their constituents, you're an idiot just like you're an idiot if you think the Democrats are the only party that pushes legislation down the country's throat (UIGEA, anyone?).
All politicians all just puppets and to paraphrase Bill Hicks, it doesn't matter whether they're on the right or the left because it's the same damned guy who has his hand up their arses...
THANK YOU DEMMIES...OR IS THAT DUMMIES? YOU CHOSE TO GIVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THE BIRD. POLITICAL SUICIDE IS BEST SERVED A COLD DISH. YOUR IGNORANCE OF THE WILL OF THE AMERICAN CITIZENS WILL ALL BUT SEAL A REPUBLICAN SWEEP IN NOVEMBER. I HOPE YOU GENIUSES BUILD LOTS OF PRISONS FOR THE MANY WHO WILL NOT PAY FOR HEALTH POLICIES OR FINES. I HOPE OUR STATE WILL FOLLOW SUIT AND SLAP A LAWSUIT ON THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR THIS CONSTITUTIONAL FOUL. THERE'S HOPE THOUGH, YOUR MARCH TO TYRANNY WILL SOON END, THE PENDULUM WILL SWING THE OTHER WAY. CAN'T WAIT TO SEE VEGAS, THE LINE AT THE QUICK CARE WILL BE 200 LONG OUT THE DOOR JUST LIKE THE POST OFFICE OR DMV. DOCTORS WITH LIMITED GOVERNMENT SALARIES WILL GO OVER LIKE A TURD IN A PUNCH BOWL. DOCTOR MORALE AT ALL TIME LOWS. A DOCTOR SHORTAGE WILL BE NO GOOD ESPECIALLY WHEN THE BABY BOOMERS ARE NEEDING INCREASING CARE. THIS IS A MARXIST EXPERIMENT AND SUREFIRE RECIPE FOR DISASTER. SHUTTING DOWN SMALL BUSINESSES, RISING UNEMPLOYMENT, HELL LET'S THROW A LITTLE AMNESTY ON THE FIRE SHALL WE? ENJOY YOUR SHINY NEW HEALTH CARD, WILL COME IN HANDY FOR THAT ONE DAY IN VEGAS WHEN IT'S COLD ENOUGH TO SCRAPE YOUR ICED UP WINDSHIELD. I PLAN TO SPEND ALL THE MONEY I PAY INTO THE SYSTEM. I'LL HAVE THE DOCTORS AND NURSES SHAVE MY BACK HAIR, CLIP MY TOENAILS, WHATEVER IT TAKES TO MAXIMIZE ALL OF A HEALTHCARE WORKERS TIME, AND GET MY MONEY'S WORTH. THAT OUGHT TO CLOG UP THE SYSTEM REALLY WELL AND DRIVE COSTS INTO THE STRATOSPHERE. BUT, I'LL HAVE NO JOB, NO WILL TO WORK, NO MEANS FOR PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. THIS OBAMA PRESIDENCY EXPERIMENT IS A SMASHING FAILURE.....THE GUY IS A MAJOR DOWNER.............
The Rushturd koolaid drinkers are out in force tonight. But still in the minority. Will you follow your leader and move to another country? Flush wants to go to a country with universal health care (because the new bill did not go far enough?)
As part of the testimony, one of the Congressmen included a letter of intent from the CEO of Caterpillar stating that this legislation would cost the company 100 million dollars a year in new taxes, and if passed he would have no choice but to close down all of the US production facilities and move them overseas.
Way to go Democrats! And when these people are laid off they won't be able to get any protection under this bill until 2013. That's just bloody brilliant. Glad you morons thought this all the way through.
On a side note I would like to congratulate Harry Reid, Dina Titus, and Shelly Berserkly on their retirement in November. Good luck to you, maybe you can see Obama for a job at NASA or something.
Now you Rightwing cry babies can gripe some more. We are the Government. You had Bush, the warmonger, to screw your party into oblivion. Your leaders are all idiots.
I'm very glad it passed! I hate the insurance companies! They are only in it for the money. They could care less about your health!
This is a great victory for the Democrats.
They have accomplished something called Health Care Reform. They have a positive message for the midterms. Dina Titus can energize her base.
As far as the Republicans chances, I fear that they have painted themselves into a corner. Their whole campaign message is:
America should repeal HCR so can we go backward and deny Americans health insurance. Selfishness is a conservative trait, but it is not an American virtue.
I think this is a big loser. They can try to sell this, but no voters are gonna buy it.
Yeah, they may gain a few seats here and there, but the American people are tired of their antics.
Their leaders in the media and the congress have a negative and pessimistic message. Americans like to hear positive and optimistic news.
The harbingers of doom and gloom have to turn that around.
If they think for a minute, that they can keep selling this false socialist and totalitarian memes, they got another thing comin'.
Americans are not that stupid!
and you thought TIGER was the wild one.....enjoy the ride but don't expect any kiss!
ellielight, the SCREEEEAMER SAYS...
"THANK YOU DEMMIES...OR IS THAT DUMMIES? YOU CHOSE TO GIVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THE BIRD."
That's as far as I got in your post.
If you want to be heard, calm down, take a few breaths, act like an adult and type with the CAPS LOCK OFF!
I'm glad it passed.
Now, I can't wait for the reactions of conservatives who really believed the nonsense the Republicans were screaming about when they discover that they were lied to repeatedly. Why do you think the Republicans were so shrill yesterday? They know exactly what they have done and they are very afraid.
to all of our stupid pathetic ugly lying republican friends...
your anger and outrage is really misdirected...
it really should be directed at the insurance companies and the insurance lobbies...
besides...
don't you guys ever get tired of all the lies, threats and false bravado...
good lord...
what a sorry lot of clowns you are...
let birdie let you in on a little secret...
you are only talking to the base...
everybody else has caught onto your game...
if you want to change america...
you need to pick the right enemy...
and make no mistake...
the enemy is the insurance industry...
BCDave...
2014? That's about as accurate as the Myan's "prediction" on 2012. You'll be OK!
As the NutJobs gear up to try and wreck this wonderful bill, remember who's doing the protesting:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...
KOOKS.
Thank you America for voting in People that will do what is needed.
Thank you Harry Reid
Thank you Dina Titus
Thank you Shelly Berkley
Thank you President Barack Obama
Thank you people of Nevada
The future now looks better for my family and my business
Boehner admits he didn't read the bill. How in the world can he protest something he hasn't read? Just because he was too lazy to do his job doesn't mean everyone else was. What a dope.
The only nutjobs that I know of are the ones that hang with Obama.
Like Obama's spiritual mentor who thinks the USA created and gave HIV to blacks.
Why read a bill that was Marxist-Democrat produced through and through, with entitlements for people who can afford healthcare insurance, for example? More liberal notions that bankrupt the national treasury. The Indonesian-born Barry H. Obama strikes another blow for socialism. The elections in 2010 and 2012 loom larger now because of it. The next sensible Congress will have a lot of repealing to do.
LOL, Pierre. What a load of crap...amusing though.
This Healthcare bill takes the American people far down the road to a Socialist State.
We are now at the doorstep to becoming a Communist State, which is Obama's goal. When he achieves his goal, it will be too late to turn the ship around.
Healthcare just got more expensive to provide, coverage got more expensive to buy, taxes are going higher and the crack addict still isn't buying coverage.
@Pierre
lumpin' everything together:
Marxists, Democrats, Socialists
Sorry, what school have you been expelled from?
You may be right with your opinion against the bill as well as people do welcome the proposal, but it hasn't to do anything with marxism or the so-called "real socialism". Believe me.
Regards from a former resident of GDR, who is glad to live in a free world.
I will proudly be wearing my "F... Obama" T shirt around today to show the World the admiration and respect I have for the president and to celebrate this historic blunder of massive proportions.
Congressman Bart Stupak lied to Americans about his stand on abortion for the Obama care bill that he voted for on Sunday - He and Obama both knew, also on Friday Obama gave him $700,000. for airports in his district in back room deal.
See Stupak Oct , 09 speech in Petosky:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URr68joWr...
Looks like the deranged loons are out in force today because President succeeded in doing what he campaigned on -- HOPE AND CHANGE!
Sarah Palin recently asked "How's that hopey changey thing workin' out for ya (wink, wink)?"
I'd say it's working out pretty well, Sarah.
Sgt Rock Now I know you are stupid. The Bush Administration shoved it down the Democrtas throat for eight years, counting the two years the Democrats contolled Congress because they did not have enough voted to override him.
I guess it was alright when the Republicnas was doing the shoving. They borrowed and borrowed until there was no more to borrow. In case your are stupid there in lies the huge debt America has. On most bills the Democrats were never included in discussions. Know what you are talking about before you make a fool of yourself.If infact you did serve in the armed forces(which I doubt) you would have veteran benefits which every American pays for. Is that socialism? NO.
I personally am tired of paying for indigent health care on my property taxes. Republicans don't tell you that the uninsured costs everyone with bankrupt hospitals,like (UMC), higher doctor fees and hospital fees,to cover the loses of the uninsured and higher insurance premiums. As a result of uninsured Las Vegas may lose the tax payer funded UMC, which is the only traum center for miles. I have no idea what you have done or do for a living but what ever it was it wrecked your brain Rocky.
LastThroes When all you have is Palin quotes you have nothing. WINK WINK. Is Africa a country or continent? Don't Sarah the fearles leader of the neo cons becuase she does not know. Funny how even McCains advisers could not stand this ignorant soul.
Why is it you believe Palin about death panels, yet ignore Palin taxing mines [oil companies] 25-30% in Alaska? Even the babies get thousands each in "dividends" from these taxes. She believes in public distribution--so she is a com*****ist, right?
For their part, the NV Democrats now have a chance at re-election. Now that they have actually done something for Nevadans, the base will get energized, and they have a fighting chance. Reid, Berkeley & Titus have a winning issue now.
There are a lot of dumb comments by polarized factions. First of all just because I think this health care deal is bad does not mean I am a republican or think George Bush was awesome. For the record he is the third worst president in my lifetime. Boot order: Obama, Carter, GW Bush, Bush senior, Nixon, Clinton and Reagan. Clinton would be number one if he used more descretion.
This is a bad bill for a lot of reasons. The major ones will be access to care and quality of care. So if you like being at the DMV on Saturday , enjoy your new health care bill. So take a number and shut up( if you have chest pain take a number shut up and sit down).
Thank You Dina and Shelly (and Harry)for doing the right thing. It was a true "Profile in Courage". You, and the American public, will someday look back on this as a very great day indeed. It is the beginning of our liberation from the whims of the corrupt health insurance industry and its daily "Death Panels".
Yep, the nutty attacks will get just WILD this week!!!
These kooks will be attacking their OWN mothers!
"Baby Killers!"
"N****R!"
"F*G!"
Horrible, hateful NutJobs that don't even understand what the hell it is they're protesting!
These TEA PARTY FOLKS... Who is guiding these poor sheeple?!?! Conservative Republicans, that's who.
RUSH & FOX, & Sister Sarah, THAT'S WHO!
I can't wait til' they come to Searchlight.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wpdyn/cont...
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_...
The bill will cost more than advertised. It won't be long before Congress is shocked -- shocked! -- to discover that health-care reform is going to cost a lot more than expected. It's not just the budgetary gimmicks that Democrats have been employing to hide the bill's true cost. It's also that government programs -- and government health-care programs in particular -- almost always end up exceeding their cost estimates.
For example, when Medicare was instituted in 1965, it was estimated that the cost of Medicare Part A would be $9 billion by 1990. In actuality, it was seven times higher -- $67 billion. Similarly, in 1987, Medicaid's special hospitals subsidy was projected to cost $100 million annually by 1992, just five years later; it actually cost $11 billion, more than 100 times as much. And in 1988, when Medicare's home-care benefit was established, the projected cost for 1993 was $4 billion, but the actual cost in 1993 was $10 billion.
Insurance premiums will keep rising. The president has tried to convince people that health-care reform will cut their insurance costs. They are in for a surprise. According to the Congressional Budget Office, insurance premiums will double in the next few years. The bill will do nothing to diminish that increase. In fact, for the millions of Americans who get their insurance through the individual market, rather than from an employer, this bill will raise premiums by 10--13 percent more than if we do nothing. Young and healthy people can expect their premiums to go up even more
The quality of care will be worse. Doctors' reimbursements for providing care will be squeezed, making it harder to find a doctor. A new survey in the New England Journal of Medicine reports that 46 percent of doctors may give up their practice in the wake of this bill. While that is probably exaggerated, many doctors will likely decide to reduce their patient loads or retire. At the same time, increased demand will create additional problems.
In Massachusetts, after the passage of Romneycare, the wait to see a primary-care physician increased from 33 to 52 days. Research and development will also be cut back, meaning there will be fewer new drugs and other medical breakthroughs. And the government will increasingly intervene in medical decision making, micromanaging medical decisions and deciding what treatments are most effective or, frighteningly, most cost-effective.
If you want more eletist politicians who care more about themselves than they do the people, then vote for Sue Lowden or Danny Tarkanian. The lying republicans had a chance to make the reforms to the healcare system but they cose to do NOTHING!!! Well they did manage to give the rich some huge tax cuts in 2001 and 2003 that increased the deficite by 1.5 TRILLION. SO if thats what you tea baggers want more of then vote for Lowden. Harry Reid, Dina Titus and Shelley Berkley voted on the side of the people and they will go down in history as fighting for people. Not corporations.
Thank goodness that the greatest economy in the world will now be caring for its less fortunate. Compassion comes to the USA. Years from now, it will be hard to understand what the big fuss was all about, discussion will turn to system improvements.
Yes comrades we will now destroy all and build nothing! ACORN forever.
Now would be a good time to join the Socialist Employees Ignorance UNION
It's interesting that Patrick tells us that insurance premiums will be increasing but he leaves out one of the most important parts of health care reform: the subsidies that will drop the price of premiums for more than half of the participants on the individual market.
"The CBO estimated that the federal subsidies would cover two-thirds of the premium costs and reduce premiums for most people purchasing insurance on the individual market. PolitiFact.com explained it well:"
"People who have to go out and buy insurance on their own (the individual market) would see rates increase by 10 to 13 percent. But more than half of those people -- 57 percent, in fact -- would be eligible for subsidies to help them pay for the insurance. People who get subsidies would see their premiums drop by more than half, according to the CBO. So most people would see their premiums stay the same or potentially drop."
NEWSFLASH!!!
(Las Vegas)- Angry, senile Teabaggers will march on Harry Reid's hometown of Searchlight, Nevada today where they will shout racist insults at the bewildered all-white citizens of the small community.
The plum-tuckered out retirees will then assemble at a local bingo parlor for cookies and kool-aid.
Repeal this suck a-- bill. Vote the Dems out in November.Is this the change Mr. O said he would give us? Change for the worse for all us older retired folks!!!!!!
hey patrick...
you crack me up man...
i still wonder how you get to sleep at night...
anyway...
did you see your hero karl no morals whatsoever rove get schooled by david plouffe on sunday...
it's was awesome...
next time you go listen to one of his sermons...
tell him a little birdie told you that there is a very special place in hell reserved just him...
very special indeed...
toodles...
Obama promised no tax increases for couples making less than $250k/yr. Too bad he didn't say anything about the prices you pay for private insurance going up if you earn over $88k/yr.
I would wager that most people to actually have private insurance earn that much or more simply because you can't afford private insurance on less that that.
Grab your barf bags folks. Now we get to see what is in this bill (as Pelosi put it) and it won't be pretty.
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2010/03/p...
Its not socialism, but its a step in the door for it. Are we leaning closer and closer as we let politician run roughshod over our constitution? Yes. Socialism is the ownership of the means of production and, therefore, the ownership of its output. The United States is not there. Even though we have politicians that advocate the ownership of companies (e.g., General Motors and Chrysler), industries and their output are, by and far, owned by individuals (to be clear, a corporation is a group of individuals). If you believe taking money (taxes) from me and you (the producers) and giving to non-producers is socialistic, then we have a discussion. As a country, we are taxed more than sufficiently to provide for programs that would help the truly needy. However, we have all witnessed the waste of politicians handing out money to their pet projects and friends in the hopes of getting funds for their re-election. If politicians listened to their constituents and taxed at a rate that was in line with their constituents collective concerns, that would not be socialism and we would have less taxes taken out of our pockets and more people in real need could be helped.
I believe I heard Nancy Pelosi say that it doesn't matter what Americans want, it's what they need. Does that sound like someone representing the people or someone with an agenda? Or politicians saying that they need to vote on the bill to find out what is in the bill. Are they really looking out for you or me?
President Obama himself has said that he is an advocate of a single payer system but doesn't see it happening for some time. He believes that a single payer system will take a transition period of ten to 15 or 20 years. His Healthcare Plan is a foot in the door. Once again, if that is where you want to go, open up the discussion so that we, the people who will bear the burden, can make the correct choice
You people who are for it, let me ask you something -
How can the deficit stay the same or decrease when we add 30 million plus people into the medical system?
What are the horror stories coming out of countries with government run healthcare?
If we eliminate pre-existing conditions, will people not wait until they have a "condition" to buy insurance?
I would like you to think about how many people will be relying on the teat of the nanny state if this healthcare reform bill passes. In the future, maybe ten, 15 or 20 years from now, how many people will be defending the rights of the private sector.
Here is something to really be excited about. In the history of the nation no major bill of such eqivalence to the health care bill has ever not passed by a sweeping majority. What does this mean? It means that the Dems whom are jumping up and down wagging their fingers at the Reps have done the one thing that has not been accomplished since the civil war. They have divided the nation at the very roots of our constitution.
Congratulations on your victory and now watch the future you have destroyed. Our fathers did not envision a nation of socialism where we are forced to buy insurance. Another choice taken away from us. You do not realize the consequences this will have, but your children will know the blunder you have made. Almost all, or all states have laws that state run hospitals can't turn antone away in need of emergency treatment, but now they can run to the doctor for every uncurable cold, and the drug manufacturing giants are lauging at you for you have made them unconceivably richer. I do love the story of the woman whose grandfather could not afford cancer treatment and under this bill supposedly could. Do you know that this treament includes introducing poison into the body that destroys the immune system. This was a Dem's story on why health care was needed. There is nothing moral in challenging God's will. How sad and misinformed and thank God that this man did not have to endure his daughter's torture. Health care costs will rise to levels never seen and premiums will drain our paychecks. Those of us whom have been hanging onto our homes by a thread, the minority 43% who don't qualify for subsidies, will lose them, and possibly become homeless. Wow imagine that we helped 57% and hurt 43%, just what we needed.
I believe in the future this bill will be repealed or at the very least found unconstitutional. If you want to be a socialist I can give you a list of countries you can move to. The land of the free just became the slaves of the government, once again. At what point do you consider government too much. Mandatory auto insurance, health insurance, taxes on taxes, welfare, medicaid, medicare, and soon...
Government regulation has never been the answer and if continued democracy will become communism. Moral right to health care? Get a job. What's next a moral right to own a home, a car, have children and government will feed them? You blame the government for the greed of those who preyed on the ignorant, and of course it is our fault they are ignorant, when they chose their life? Woe is me for I did not have an opportunity, nor did my father or his father before him. Blame the people whom have all made something of their lives for hard work and make them give their money to those who chose to sit out front their house and drink whiskey. Punsih the workers so the lazy can reap the benefits. Feed, clothe, and provided medical care so those single mother's can keep cranking out babys. News flash, why UMC is broke, go down there and look on any given day 4-5 mothers at a time getting free medical care for their babys. Why are they having children if they cannot afford to take care of them? Oh right it is "our" moral obligation for "their" decisions. The land of the free is no more. Bought, paid for, by the supposed democratic(socialist) government of the US. Oh right you guys posting against this are those lazy people crying for someone other than yourselves to take care of you. News flash it is not my responsibility to baby sit you!!! Waa, Waa cried the Dems!!
Good job Obama.
Same losers were complaining about Medicare and Social Services. Let them bitch some more, as thats all they're good at.
Government is NEEDED because Americans are too stupid in general. Mortgage crisis? Created by greedy and stupid americans. Private insurance scams? Created by greedy and stupid americans.
I can go on and on.
Regulation is required in any civilized country to insure the greedy and scam artist, as well as stupid people, are put in place.
This isn't the wild wild west, even though we still live by the consitition (which was written in the wild wild west). lol. Stupid.
SevenHills, Wow really? You are calling fellow americans to stupid to fix the problems of today?
So according to you, You sir / ma'am are to stupid to live the life the way you want to. You need the Govt to control your daily routines correct? Shall we see is Obama can spoon feed you as well?
No, just in general, americans are stupid. Doesn't mean everyone, just majority. People are still today against passing the Social Services bill, and the medicare bill.
Seriously. This healthbill is required.
Regardless. Next replican president will probably veto it so what does it really matter.
bcgsae, americans, in general have proven they CANNOT live life they want to.
Darth Obama slays the teabagger republicRATs
http://www.dailykos.com/tv/w/002624/
JeffFromVegas - Thats a funny video. If people are serious about it they need to be put into a mental ward, or jailed for treason. lol
Teabaggers have given new meaning to the term 'March Madness'.
Democrats took advantage of a power grab and FORCED another Government Intrusion bill down the American Public's throats. Democrats CANNOT EVER be trusted. They are pushing our great nation into SOCIALISM. We must stop this one party from destroying our state and nation. I urge you all to stand up and vote every Democrat that forced us into this out of office. Vote for REPEAL of this forced bill! Join the Tea Party and join forces of their oppositions. You don't have to take this, fight and fight them hard! Let them know you WILL NOT BE IGNORED!!
About time we catch up with Cuba.
Thank you legislators for doing what is humanly right. A nation of DOERS have been VOTED in, not just talkers and planners. Go big or go somewhere else. America has been put back on the map and moving forward.
Edge,
The private health individual insurance market makes up only about 4 percent of the health insurance market. Government makes up 50 percent and employer provided insurance makes up the rest. So yes, Cato is right, the government policy will drive up insurance premiums for most people and do nothing to stop the rise in health care costs (government insurance is a third party payer system just like our current system). I bet the Democrats are, in fact, creating (through law, taxes and regulations) a federal sanctioned Big Pharma and Big Insurance cartel in order to boost their profits so the government can take more tax dollars -- in that sense, Democrats are in bed with the very villains they've demonized.
So far I've seen supporters of Obamacare threaten violence, death, jail and deportation on opponents of big government health care. (See sevenhills above as one such example). This is precisely the "my way or the highway" attitudes that overtake mass movements in socialist states throughout history. We saw it in Germany, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam, China in the Soviet Union and we are seeing it today in Venezuela
lol my comment gets removed but DessertSuns doesn't? I see VegasSun is a teabagger. Craziness.
Patrick. That's what I don't understand about America. You vote in the people you want to lead you, then when majority votes in, you complain and want them out?
If someone (IE: Obama/Bush/etc..) is voted in. Let them do their thing, and do it with support from the people that majority elected.
If it doesn't work, fine. That's why you have elections every 4 years. We went through 8 years of Bush crap. We can try something different thanks.
This is a democracy! The GOP are beholden to special interests like Big Insurance and Big Banks, and Big Media(FOX). The GOP is on the wrong side of history.
The GOP doesn't want change.
Many Americans have lost their houses and lively hood and lives because of the insurance companies denying coverage.
This will not stand!
The GOP has Murdoch the Aussie through Fox news stirring up these Tea Party Bigots by Right Wing hate speech broadcasters.
This is Un-American and Authoritarian.
I have a few words for these undemocratic haters: America, Love it or Leave it!
Obama care was passed to take care of the folks who vote Democrat. Those on welfare and the illegals who soon may be legal.
Don't worry about us older people who have little income coming in. We really want less to live on and more taxes so Joe Blow, the welfare guy can live good and buy his big screen tv.
God help us!!!!
"The private health individual insurance market makes up only about 4 percent of the health insurance market. "
I'm aware of this. I was directly responding to your (not attributed) cut/paste Cato individual market diatribe which ignores the subsidies that the majority of the individual market will qualify for, Patrick.
I also note that you didn't bother to cut/paste the paragraph of Tanner's article critical of Republicans. Why is that?
I'm reminded of the old FDR campaign song used during the 1932 presidential campaign...."HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN."
That says it all......
Congratulations & thank you to every member of the Democrat Party who voted for health care reform...... Thanks to every American who worked for & demanded that health care reform be enacted...
The passage of health care reform was long over due! It's not a perfect piece of legislation, but that's seldom the case in a democratic-republic such as ours...
The law can now be tweaked and changed (amended..) to deal with the various "loop holes" that always exist with a piece of legislation this massive in make-up!
The "party of NO" again showed their true colors last night...no surprise there!
Harry Truman always referred to the Republicans in Congress during his administration as the "do nothing Republicans." Some things never change over time....
To quote qnother president from the opposite side of the aisle: "It's morning again in America...."
Senator Reid's statement on last night's historic vote.
http://www.harryreid.com/ee/index.php/ne...
"So far I've seen supporters of Obamacare threaten violence, death, jail and deportation on opponents of big government health care. "
Oh the indignation! We saw rhetoric that met or exceeded your examples from the Tea Party protesters, the ranting health care town hall protesters, the Bush/Cheney/Rove/Adelson war machine apologists, the anti-Obama racists, etc.
When all else fails, play the victim?
tea baggers scheduled to show up in searchlight...
sarah dumb as a bag of rocks palin...
joe not really a plumber the plumber...
victoria has been a long long time ago jackson...
and the grand finale...
ann the ugliest person on the planet coulture...
good lord...
people actually go to see the list of losers...
L-O-S-E-R-S!!!
hey patrick...
you going???
Hmmmmmm....I see "free market" Gibby is out in full force this morning. No surprise there....
If Gibby had his way, this country would be locked in a "time warp" dated 1890....
Andrew Carnegie, John D. Rockefeller, J.P. Morgan, James J. Hill, Cornelius Vanderbilt and the many other "robber barons" of America's past would be running the show...
Child labor would be the order of the day, and America's laboring force would be working 12-14 hours a day for "starvation wages."
No such thing as health care benefits, over-time pay, vacation pay, social security & medicare would exist... Labor unions would be struggling to gain a foot-hold and 1% of the population would be controlling 95% of the nation's wealth...
And Gibby would be loving every minute of it....
hey el lobo...
i wonder if heads will roll over at npri???
all that hot air...
for naught!!!
also...
i wonder if stevie wynn is ok???
good lord...
he and his ginormous ego just might have exploded last night!!!
Have any of you taken the time to read what this bill will do to businesses, to your rights to get medical attention?:
Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all employers that self-insure!!
Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill: THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.
Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!
Page 42 of HC Bill: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC benefits for you. You have no choice!
Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non-US citizens, illegal or otherwise.
Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the 'Exchange.'
Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid eligible individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. (No choice.)
Page 12 4 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt monopoly.
Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical Association - The Govt will tell YOU what salary you can make.
Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan. (NO choice!)
Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part-time employees ANDtheir families. (Employees shouldn't get excited about this as employers will be forced to reduce its work force, benefits, and wages/salaries to cover such a huge expense.)
Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option will pay 8% tax on all payroll! (See the last comment in parenthesis.)
Page 150 Lines 9-13: A business with payroll between $251K & $401K who doesn't provide public option will pay 2-6% tax on all payroll.
Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.
Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay.) (Like always)
Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of the GOVT HC Admin.. will have access to ALL Americans' finances and personal records. (I guess so they can 'deduct' their fees)
Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." (Yes, it really says that!) ( a 'fee' instead)
Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors. (Low-income and the poor are affected.)
Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors: It doesn't matter what specialty you have trained yourself in -- you will all be paid the same! (Just TRY to tell me that's not Socialism!)
Page 253 Line 10-18: The Govt sets the value of a doctor's time, profession, judgment, etc. (Literally-- the value of humans.)
Page 265 Sec 1131: The Govt mandates and controls productivity for "private" HC industries.
Page 268 Sec 1141: The federal Govt regulates the rental and purchase of power driven
Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process) True: Section 123 establishes a Health Benefits Advisory Committee that makes recommendations on what types of health insurance coverage will be defined as basic, enhanced or premium. The committee will be chaired by the surgeon general, with members appointed by the president, the comptroller general, and representatives of federal agencies. This committee makes recommendations on insurance regulations, so in that sense it does set standards for benefits. But it does not make decisions about treatments for individuals.
Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed. True. Section 223 discusses how the government will pay doctors under the public option health insurance; they will pay 5 percent more than Medicare pays. It's true that this section does not set out any sort of judicial review, but it specifically states that health care providers do not have to accept patients under the public option. The bill also says that the Health Choices commissioner has the authority "to correct for payments that are excessive or deficient," taking into account "amounts paid for similar health care providers and services under other Exchange-participating health benefits plans." There may be a broader case to be made that the government can out compete private insurers through the public option, but this section of the plan doesn't have to do with lawsuits or judicial review.
Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages. True. Section 225 discusses payments for physicians who choose to accept the public option insurance. Again, there may be a broader case to be made that the government can out compete private insurers through the public option, but this section of the plan only applies to payments to doctors for patients who are part of the public option. The government does not set wages for doctors because doctors are free to decline to see the patients.
Bye, bye Ms American pie,
Does anyone wonder where Mr. Smarty Pants, "Country Boy" Davidson came from?
Does anyone BESIDES ME doubt this guy's story about being a "MINER" from Wyoming spending "some time" in our fine state?
Please. NO ONE comes to Nevada, hooks up to the internet, and spends all their time "commenting" on stories the Sun prints.
And I guess he also has had the free time to dissect the whole health care legislation! AMAZING! He must be real smart!
This is another B.S. screen name from one of our NeoNuts.
I bet Pat knows this guy.
Patrick R. Gibbons, our illustrious SHILL for Sheldon Adelson and his NPRI cohorts...
HEY PAT! The methane must be UNBEARABLE DOWN THERE TODAY!
hey mikey...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_who_cri...
http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/2010w...
Lighter side of politics.
Mike, you're referencing HR 3200, which was abandoned for the Senate bill.
Try again.
Can't wait for the 46% of the doctors who are going to give up their practice to -- to go to work as hamburger flippers. The service will go up in each and every MacDonalds! Puhlez. 90% of people will have the same insurance [employer/medicare/medicaid] that they have now. Doctors are the least effected by this bill. At least they know that their customers will be able to pay. No more "No service without prepayment" signs.
Notice how all the Free Loaders don't and cant defend their Bill. All they do is try to criticize People who are opposed to it. I mean do you have any real agruments or facts to back up your stance or are you using the " monkey see monkey do " tactic? two wrongs dont make a right.
And again I will state this, "I believe I heard Nancy Pelosi say that it doesn't matter what Americans want, it's what they need. Does that sound like someone representing the people or someone with an agenda? Or politicians saying that they need to vote on the bill to find out what is in the bill. Are they really looking out for you or me?"
bcgsae, your mentality is alarming. Let's think like you for a minute, veto the healthbill, hell why not social services and medicare as well - As they are all government controlled, and we don't want that.
Crazy!
Don't and can't defend the bill? Mikedavidson's entire comment was based on a version of the bill that was abandoned. He's criticizing something that didn't pass.
You're not even criticizing the bill, you're just intentionally misinterpreting Pelosi's words. What are your arguments against the bill?
The delusional dittoheads think they are going to stop the Bill in the courts. How can some state like Idaho dictate to the IRS what they can put on their forms? If Medicare, SOCIAL SECURITY AND VA IS CONSTITUTIONAL SO IS THIS BILL.
Rep. Michael Bachmann is introducing a Bill to repeal the Health-care Bill. (how is she going to get it out of committee?)
This is all nut bar stuff from talk radio. They just want to sucker people in for ratings, contributions and so the can sell them crap. People paid $500 to attend the Tennessee Teabag Party. They are charging people for the Hate Harry Rally in Searchlight as well.
The Iraq War had a 50-60% disapproval polling, and who paid for that?
Lowden wants to do away with VA and medicare, because she says in her ads that: "Government Healthcare is wrong."
Read the bill yourself, you moronic libs:
http://docs.house.gov/rules/hr4872/111_h...
Simply click the page number ref above in my post and read what the bill says, he bill that was passed yesterday.
PS. How do you know when a Lib is lying?
Ans: (you know)
More pages for you to consider:
Page 354 Sec 1177: The Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of 'special needs people!' Unbelievable!
Page 379 Sec 1191: The Govt creates more bureaucracy via a "Tele-Health Advisory Committee." (Can you say HC by phone?)
Page 425 Lines 4-12: The Govt mandates "Advance-Care Planning Consult." (Think senior citizens end-of-life patients.)
Page 425 Lines 17-19: The Govt will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. (And it's mandatory!)
Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: The Govt provides an "approved" list of end-of-life resources; guiding you in death. (Also called 'assisted suicide.')
Page 427 Lines 15-24: The Govt mandates a program for orders on "end-of-life." (The Govt has a say in how your life ends!)
Page 429 Lines 1-9: An "advanced-care planning consultant" will be used frequently as a patient's health deteriorates.
Page 429 Lines 10-12: An "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end-of-life plans.. (AN ORDER TO DIE FROM THE GOVERNMENT?!?)
Page 429 Lines 13-25: The GOVT will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order.. (I wouldn't want to stand before God after getting paid for THAT job!)
Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end -- of-life! (Again -- no choice!)
Page 469: Community-Based Home Medical Services = Non-Profit Organizations. (Hello? ACORN Medical Services here!?!)
Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover marriage and family therapy. (Which means Govt will insert itself into your marriage even.)
Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, and rationing those services.
Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay.)
Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of the GOVT HC Admin.. will have access to ALL Americans' finances and personal records.
Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." (Yes, it really says that!)
Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors. (Low-income and the poor are affected)
Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors: It doesn't matter what specialty you have trained yourself in -- you will all be paid the same! (Just TRY to tell me that's not Socialism!)
Page 253 Line 10-18: The Govt sets the value of a doctor's time, profession, judgment, etc. (Literally-- the value of humans.)
Page 265 Sec 1131: The Govt mandates and controls productivity for "private" HC industries.
Page 268 Sec 1141: The federal Govt regulates the rental and purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS -- Cancer patients -- welcome to rationing!
Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever the Govt deems preventable (i.e"re-admissions).
Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors: If you treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission -- the Govt will penalize you.
Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. (The Govt tells doctors what and how much they can own!)
Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion. (The Govt is mandating that hospitals cannot expand.)
Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have the opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. (Can you say ACORN?)
Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: The Govt mandates establishment of=2 outcome-based measures. (HC the way they want -- rationing.)
Page 341 Lines 3-9: The Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. (Forcing people into the Govt plan)
PS.
To all NV corps, come check out WY! Our state is running a budget surplus, it cost 86% less in fees to set your corp up here, and WY has doesn't require a SS# as does NV when you file your members info.
NV has stated next time the leg meets they'll have to start taxing corps, YIKES! GET OUT OF NV NOW BEFORE YOU GET TAXED!!!
Come to WY, we'll never tax corps!
NV has turned into a turd world country! Just look around! The illegals are running your town. Sell sell sell and get out out out!
Fear of this and that seems the only tool of those wishing to inhibit progress. Health care is only a simple and obvious logical step in the advancement of our civilization. Fear is put forth and it always involves a dire prediction of the future.
Interesting that there are no cries to stop the government from running our military. Perhaps homeland security and TSA should become a subsidary of Walmart.
The shrill voices of the fearmongers have been around for all the ages. Time after time they have been soundly defeated by the quiet and strong voices of reason.
Sure, like the people in jail in China and Cuba that warned that the communist taking power were not going to stop until they controlled every aspect of your life .....
The nay sayers said, "Will never happen. How can they kill the tourism industry, casino's, business? All govs want money, and if they take control of everything and wipe out entire industries, they'll lose a ton of money. Never happen".
That's what the mafia was saying in Cuba when Castro set up shop. Even the godfather types didn't see it coming that Castro would take their sh-t and kick them out with only the shirt on their back "or else". Giant us corps didn't think Castro would take their sh-t and kick them out, impossible they thought.
The US is the new "castro" or china. Obama is just a puppet of the intl bankers to help push the US into bankruptcy and then total gov control.
This bill marks the beginning of the end for us all, no place to run or hide, the world will follow suit.
bradcore's msg makes the most sense from all this crap... So I have to repeat it.
"Fear of this and that seems the only tool of those wishing to inhibit progress. Health care is only a simple and obvious logical step in the advancement of our civilization. Fear is put forth and it always involves a dire prediction of the future.
Interesting that there are no cries to stop the government from running our military. Perhaps homeland security and TSA should become a subsidary of Walmart.
The shrill voices of the fearmongers have been around for all the ages. Time after time they have been soundly defeated by the quiet and strong voices of reason.
"
Joke.
How do Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Obama tell someone to go F--k themselves? They say "Trust me".
seven hills,
You can't equate a countries military to health care. A country has a right to defend itself and run it's own military. A country does not have a right to tell you what medical procedures you can have at the end of your life! I don't see a similarity. An individual should be able to get whatever service they can afford to prolong their life. If they're poor, then they die, tough luck buddy. Same for the kids dying in Africa of hunger, tough luck, glad I'm not you! But you see Obama thinks that's not fair! Americans should pay to save the world. Wealth should be re-distributed so that nobody dies of hunger anywhere. Problem is that when you do that, everyone becomes poor, everyone dies. Just ask those living in communist countries.
Hello,
My name is (future Sen.) Ashjian and I'm running for the US Senate as the Tea Party candidate.
Sadly, I was not invited to the Seachlight tea party rally because I do not have enough Caucasian DNA to win the support of Nevada's teabaggers. In other words, although I am technically a white-skinned person, I am not white enough to be called a Patriotic Teabagger.
Therefore, in order to reach the minimum White-DNA Teabag requirement and gain their support for my candidacy I am accepting blood transfusions from approved purebred Caucasians in order to boost my white blood cell count.
Visit my website: whiteblood4senashjian.org if you want to make a donation and are certain your blood would meet the rigid Tea Party purity requirements. And remember, Aryan ancestry is a big, big plus!
Thank you,
(future Sen.) Ashjian
mike, a country needs to take care of its people (im not talking illegals now), and in return the people take care of the country. You can only do this by pooling together resources.
I've lived in Germany, Canada, and now here. So I've seen extremes, and every country has its own problems. However when it comes to Healthcare (and Education), it needs to be regulated. Otherwise you have corruption, or companies like Blue cross raising rates 37% in California.
People without healthcare and need it create more way more problems both financially and economically.
God gave everyone born in the US the OPPORTUNITY to become a millionaire or a homeless bum. Choice is left to the individual. Rights are given to us by god, not gov. The gov can't force god to inspire some to greatness and make them pay the price to achieve such greatness! Whether the motivation is money, fame, or to please someone, we all have the chance to achieve greatness in this country ...until today. It's all over. You no longer have control of your health. If your own health no longer in your own control but rather int he control of a gov Beauregard, how can you say you're free?
7hills,
People own their health. If you smoke, you over drink, you do drugs, you don't exercise, you eat junk food, you die. I can give a rats behind if someone who neglected their health dies an early death. To artificially sustain and bring such a person back to health in my world is a crime against nature, for only the strong should survive if a species is to survive. Allowing the weak to survive only pollutes the gene pool.
Let nature take care of health care. Let people own their own health and take responsibility for their own health.
Obama smokes. That says it all about that POS.
http://docs.house.gov/rules/hr4872/111_h...
"Page 354 Sec 1177"
There is no Section 1177 on page 354
"Page 379 Sec 1191"
There is no Section 1191 on page 379
"Page 425 Lines 4-12 The Govt mandates "Advance-Care Planning Consult."
Page 425, lines 4-12: NOTHING about Advance-Care Planning Consults"
"The effect of delivering culturally and linguistically appropriate services on beneficiary access to care, utilization of services, efficiency and cost-effectiveness of health care delivery, patient satisfaction, and select health outcomes. "
"Recommendations, if any, regarding the extension of such project to the entire Medicare program."
Etc, etc, etc. Your criticisms are of the old bill, Mike.
Wake up, buddy. You're spreading lies.
mike - You don't have a choice about going to grade school either, or paying rent, or paying taxes, or paying social security, car insurance, etc... etc...
Move to a 3rd world country if you want total freedom. Just remember to take your guns with you, as the government won't take care of your health or safety.
PS. This bill will cover illegals and further bankrupt this country. That alone should be a focus and talking point of this bill. WE CAN'T AFFORD IT!
Mike needs to update his talking points, pronto!
Every single one of them is wrong!
Did you click his link? He lists sections and page numbers which AREN'T THERE!
Also, the coming immigration bill will add millions of illegals to the system in one way or another. (they won't call it amnesty) So the world "illegal" today won't have a meaning in the near future.
That is why you don't cut and paste talking points without verifying them, Mike.
You end up looking like a fool.
"Did you click his link? He lists sections and page numbers which AREN'T THERE!"
Maybe passage of health care reform has driven him mad? Is he imagining things?
re: illegals bill
Since the INS is too stupid to kick the illegals out, then making them 'legal' makes sense. That way they PAY TAXES.
Makes sense. Let's see if it works, or we'll just have a bunch of aliens in jail for tax evasion.
The Chamber of Commerce has given up on the defeated Republican party.
"Republicans in Congress shouldn't look to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce to support a repeal of the health-care overhaul, the group's chief executive said today."
"In an interview with Wall Street Journal reporters and editors, U.S. Chamber of Commerce President Thomas Donohue criticized the health care legislation as a "very, very expensive" and disruptive change to the nation's health-care delivery system. A companion bill that completes the overhaul legislation cleared the House last night and is expected to cross the final hurdles in the Senate this week."
"But Donohue made it clear the chamber won't be spending any of its substantial war chest on a campaign, favored by Republicans, to repeal the legislation. The Washington-based chamber, which represents three million businesses of all sizes, spent heavily in an unsuccessful effort to kill the health bill. Minutes after Democrats won passage in the House Sunday night, the chamber issued a statement calling the vote "a wrong and unfortunate decision that ignores the will of the American people."
Mike, I hope your insurance covers mental health, you seem to be going over the edge.
Its pretty much done, move on. It won't be long and your Republican buddies will be trying to take credit for it.
mikedavidson:
That's not even from the bill that was voted on. Geez, and conservatives wonder why it is so easy for liberals to dismiss their "concerns."
SevenHills, again, you further my point. you have yet to provide anyone with any facts, or beliefs as to why this is such a great bill for the American People. Please EDUCATE us!
Not a great bill, because the Republicans and insurance industry got too much input, but a real start. Backlash is expected on such a polemic issue. If the Republicans dismantle the bill I argue that the backlash for that would ruin their party. Not good. Unlike Republicans, Democrates see no need for the Bush family's idea of a one party country.
Where I grew up, if someone comes on my property and runs off with my personal property, I can play dirty Harry and blow them away without any risk of being locked up by some lib DA. When the cops arrive, they'll only critique me on the precision of my shot "Nice shot Mike, but I personally like to hit them in small of their back so that if they survive, they won't be doing too much more running, hahahahha" It's called Tx justice!
Us Texans (Wy my adopted home) feel some libs have their hands in our pockets and are trying to get away with our money, we shoot first and ask questions later. You people do as you want but they'll never be able to tell us cowboys how to spend our money and they sure the hell won't get us to comply with this law! You want a divided country! This partisan bill accomplishes just that. I see a lot of pink slips and higher unemployment coming your way NV. Enjoy the fruits of your wicked labor!
Goodbye Dina, Goodbye Harry and goodbye Shelly.. your time is at an end. The only good thing about this bill, is it will end all three careers.
Thomas Jefferson said it best.."I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
WHO IS THIS CLOWN?
"God gave everyone born in the US the OPPORTUNITY to become a millionaire or a homeless bum. Choice is left to the individual. Rights are given to us by god, not gov. The gov can't force god to inspire some to greatness and make them pay the price to achieve such greatness! Whether the motivation is money, fame, or to please someone, we all have the chance to achieve greatness in this country ...until today. It's all over. You no longer have control of your health. If your own health no longer in your own control but rather int he control of a gov Beauregard, how can you say you're free?"
IN ADDITION to referencing the WRONG BILLS, where did this kind of NutJob stuff come from???
BTW..."mike",
Why not come out of the closet and tell us who you REALLY ARE???
Republicans' 'Most Crushing Legislative Defeat' Since The '60s
by David Frum, former speechwriter to President George W. Bush:
***
"Conservatives and Republicans today suffered their most crushing legislative defeat since the 1960s.
It's hard to exaggerate the magnitude of the disaster. Conservatives may cheer themselves that they'll compensate for today's expected vote with a big win in the November 2010 elections. [...]
No illusions please: This bill will not be repealed. This is the GOP's Waterloo..."
Why is it every single time new taxes are created the democrats start popping champagne bottles???
sgt rock = sgt dumb. So you are now blaming Obama for AIDS? At least everyone now knows you are racist and moron.
Oh and mikedavidson, does typing in some comments section of a Las Vegas paper make you feel like more of a man? You probably drive a truck with big wheels too. It doesn't make you a man sir...or tough. Trying to overcompensate for some other deficiency in other parts of your life I assume.
Just a little FYI, How quickly the Republicans forget....
It was the Republicans that created the IRS in 1864. It was ruled unconstitutional so they amended the constitution in 1913... Oh yea, it was Wyoming (crazy cowpokes) that gave them the needed vote.
During the war in 1918 the tax went to as high as 77%.
So the IRS is a Republican feature, but seems to be the biggest argument they are using against the HC bill. Hmmmm
Damn Republicans....
they are too busy listening to Rush and Glenn Big Baby to pick up a history book.
Poor libs, don't know how to debate, only call names. Sign of an inferior intellect.
Riddle me this, you sub-human mud people types, is owning a nice car also a "god given right"? How about vacationing in the Caribbean? Eating healthy, delicious food? Is that a god given right also? Or are these things the reward one receives when they adhere to true principles of wealth, regardless of race or creed in the usa?
You libs don't even know that this POS HC bill has nothing to do with health care and everything to do with unconstitutional gov control and takeover of your very being, your health. It's about doing away with freedom. Citizens of this country are no longer free. It's about increasing taxes to do away with the middle class. It's about rewarding the poor (and the teamsters, same thing) for being the losers that they are.
Don't worry, a country boy can survive without the gov. Just leave us alone, keep off our property, and we'll all be just fine.
Just got done watching some video on the tea partys.... all I can say is WOW some of those people are NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i wonder rush Limbaugh is packing his bags. he said if health care reform passes he will leave America will i am waiting for him to LEAVE. lol
We know how to debate facts, mike.
When you start citing page numbers and sections that clearly aren't in the bill that passed the House, you only make a fool out of yourself.
And if name-calling is a "sign of an inferior intellect," what does that say of someone who wrote, "you sub-human mud people types?"
It took you two sentences to out yourself as a complete hypocrite.
poly,
I didn't know that. They didn't teach me that in school, thanks for the info on the IRS being a creation of the reptilians as I like to call them.
Today, being conservative means being an Ind. or even a Libertarian. The majority of Reps have their head so far up their a-s that they can't smell the coffee, and their own sh-t smells like roses to them. My biggest gripe with the Reps are the wars they've waged WITHOUT DECLARING WAR because the military exercises they've been involved in lately don't pass constitutional muster for declaring war, so they simply wage war without declaring war to get around that technicality. The billions wasted in the middle east to me are almost on the same level as this HC bill in helping destroy our republic. The fact that 911 was covered up WITHOUT EVEN A PUBLIC PROTEST was all I needed to know about where our country is heading. Every time I hear Obama talk about the threat from "Al Queda" as an excuse for spending more money than Bush ever proposed to spend on the war machine physically makes me ill. It doesn't take a "CSI" type to piece figure out who was behind the 911 attacks:
http://800poundgorilla.100webspace.net/g... Can this be why all "Jewish" politicians support the war machine and wars even though that's hardly a "liberal" stance?
Cowboys and country people in general just want to be left the hell alone. I hate LV and hate living here now for my work and can't wait to get the hell out of your god forsaken city in 2 weeks. If you're from outside LV and you're thinking of moving here, DON'T! LV has by far the dumbest, laziest, 20% tip expecting people on earth! I gladly stiff my servers when I eat out because you expect a big tip for doing what? I leave a few cents, that's all walking the food over to me is worth. If you do visit Vegas, treat them like an unwanted step child as I do.
Every one of the points I listed ARE in the HC bill. The bill changed at the last minute so the page numbers don't line up, but the substance of what I said is correct as far as I can tell by reading conservative blogs and much of the bill myself.
great job democrat now that the president who earn his money. he fought long and hard for what he believe in that why i voted for him. he sign the executive stating no money to be use on abortion. so the girl/lady who want to abort there baby have to used there own money. i will vote democrat because they will fight for me. to all those tea baggers who sprew racist and hatred saying. you are the people i am scare of. not the president. the worst thing that happen to the republican yesterday i was hoping they would condemn the few teabagger calling the black politician N***** and barney a F*****. but that was asking to much. all that did was show america what teabagger and republican truly are.
mike davidson
Can't wait for you to leave.... We should have a parade for one more d-bag saying he is just a "dumb country boy". I'd gladly help you pack and spank your horse on the way out of town back to Tx or Wyoming...or where-ever you are truly from.
Interesting flavor of republicRAT constipation here in todays comments.
But, in the end they have flatulence breath, and are are still full of it.
The bill is a starting point that anyone can find flaws with. What takes work and courage is to embrace it and make it work.
True Americans will make it work. The riff raff here complaining ad nauseum will still be complaining until they get sick. Then we will take care of them. With a smile, and the knowledge we were right, and they were neocons ;)
Jeff, another illiterate HS grad Las Vegan who ends sentences with propositions. (..flaws with)
Wish I was there when Jeff's gov doctor tells him his condition isn't covered and can't be treated because he smoked, he's too fat, or his last name starts with J (excuse for the gov doesn't have enough money because it will be broke in the future) All you idiots in love with the the gov running your HC will soon discover what those of us who have had to deal with gov bureaucrats already know, that an IQ of 80 is barely above retarded.
Dropped enough do do bombs on you idiots today. I'm off to a meeting of like minded people. (no, we won't be burning any crosses tonight, lol) I leave you morons that think that life owes you something for free ......Obama will be unemployed for 2 years (2014) before the major provisions of this HC bill start to take effect! The conservatives that take over in 2012 will have plenty of time to make sure this pipe dream you so desire never becomes a reality. In the mean time, enjoy the higher rates (from ins companies) and higher taxes (fro obama) soon coming your way to pay for something that will never take effect. How do you like those apples?
Like many the more I have read about this subject the more confused the topic became for me.This is a historic piece of legislation with many obvious positives cost being the primary fear uppermost in the minds of Americans,Also the fate of of the burgeoning healthcare institutes that draw quality care and research developments here to Nevada via public/private co-operatives will they be negatively impacted? As I struggle to understand what it all means some simplified points in side by side comparison might be helpful here is a link.
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/d...
Hey, "Country Mike", don't let the proverbial door hit you in the arse on your way outta town!
"I hate LV and hate living here now for my work and can't wait to get the hell out of your god forsaken city in 2 weeks. If you're from outside LV and you're thinking of moving here, DON'T! LV has by far the dumbest, laziest, 20% tip expecting people on earth! I gladly stiff my servers when I eat out because you expect a big tip for doing what? I leave a few cents, that's all walking the food over to me is worth. If you do visit Vegas, treat them like an unwanted step child as I do."
What a chump.
"Mike" or "Larry" or whatever his name is... he's obviously a low-information voter. He wasn't even bright enough to double check his own comments.
He says, "All those things are in the bill! Trust me!" The problem with that is that when he was given a chance to make the argument to begin with, he posted false information.
Now there's no reason to trust him.
mikedavidson:
What you offer up as opinion is really poorly thought out pablum combined with condescending vitriol towards people with much better hearts and morality than you could ever recognize.
Not only that, you are not interesting to me, or anyone else here.
chediski : 'bout time?
What, that we pander to the rest of the world and allow a socialist mentality to take over. Buh-bye, comrade!
Doc_holliday:
Anti Iraq war dips&^%, eh?
So Saddam should hae been allowed to overrun sovereign boundaries of any country he wanted? Yes, Bush 1 should have donemmore to get him out the first time we were there. But the question still begs, you would rather have Saddam still in power, killing hundreds of thousands of his countries' citizens, rather than having him deposed? Suppose you would rather have Hitler and Stalin still in power, too, eh? You are a Disgraceful human!
revtomperl:
good job boys and girls?
changing 1/6 of the economy and adding a socialist agenda to the face of american politics? Good job?
You make me miss the 50's, when socialist/communist/unamerican pieces of crap like you got treated properly, much like the treasonous vermin you are.
BTW, did you check Wall Street today and the gains (profits for uneducated idiots like you) made by the ONLY people that will truly benefit from Obamacare? Way to pay off the insurance lobby. I need some health care now, because you all make me sick!
Maybe this country can now get in step with the rest of the WORLD on health care. Wake up people!!
This is one of the worst days in the history of this country. we are inches away from losing what freedoms we did have. this place is no longer the great america we once were, of honest hard working patriotic god fearing people. Since Obama took office, our flag and our national anthem have lost their value and meaning. I hope and pray every one of our troops come home soon, because Obama, and every person who stands with him have taken the honor of fighting and dying for the freedom of this country and disgraced every soldier, every fallen soldier,and every family member. this admin is the most dispicable lot, even worse than I thought it could be, and those who believe their crap,and deny or close your eyes to what they have done and how they did it, is even worse.
Thank you senior Reid and President Obama. This is a great day. Please now fast track immigration reform, so we can all sign up. Oh and also Thank you Diner Titus.
This is the kind of "smart" rhetoric we'll be hearing from the RIGHT, RIGHT up until this bill is all zipped up;
"BTW, did you check Wall Street today and the gains (profits for uneducated idiots like you) made by the ONLY people that will truly benefit from Obamacare? Way to pay off the insurance lobby. I need some health care now, because you all make me sick!"
Wow. Okay. I'm very sorry you feel that way.
Pretty quick here, they'll be cussing out their own mothers. These people are on a RAMPAGE!
I'm really, really happy that my friends and neighbors who were suffering without proper health care will FINALLY be able to afford decent, adequate, available health care.
Every American citizen deserves it. Heck, in my opinion, it's sinful for ANYONE in the year 2010 to NOT have access to affordable, available health care. Some of us may not be that smart, but we know one thing; Anything LESS than that is immoral. Love thy neighbor!
I can't wait for all these "honest hard working patriotic god fearing people" to book passage on the same slow boat Rush Limbaugh is on.
gmag39 its people like you and Senior Reid that make our life possible here in the United States !
Is that "JuanLarry" I hear???
Or is it "LarryJuan"!!!
I like the latter.
That "Mike" crap is so NOT FUNNY.
Laaarrrry!
Come out from under that Rock!
Las Vegas Sun: Thanks for your good reporting. Lisa did a great job on the text of this
article.
Also thanks for providing the comments section. It certainly is popular and seems to provide an outlet for so many. It must be interesting from the journalists vantage to see the range of topics and emotions that spring from any given five W's and how of a specific story. Our freedom to engage this forum is not yet shared by a signifigant percentage of the worlds peoples. Despite the endless conflict and often seen frustrations forums such as this are a tribute to our freedom. Thanks for providing it.
SgtRock, You are a sad little child. I hoped the Republicans in the House and Senate would have tried to work on Health Care Reform, but instead they decided to argue EVERYTHING! I don't believe these people are stupid, but what are they thinking? We'll never know. All they can do is say how bad this bill is and not bother to come up with anything constructive.
Too many people (tea-bagers) are saying Sen. Reid, Rep. Berkley and Rep. Titus are going to loose in November, but what if people wake up and see this could be a good thing and the Rushiens were lying?
If people see that they were lied to, the Republican party is going to loose even more ground. You're just crying because you're unable to accomplish anything.
This country was based on a two party system. Maybe we can replace the Republican party with something new... Like the "Not a Bunch of Big Babys" party.
Hey, AmericanMan...only little boys and idiots would be calling people tea-bagers but...heck if the shoe fits...wear it.
I can see that you are usuing the familiar lib argument that voters are stupid and you hope that wise up.
The only dumb that I know are the lib koolaid drinkers.
They are so clueless.
The drug companies stock values zoomed up the charts today.
They had cut a deal with Obama very early.
They are going roll in the cash in the ObamaCare.
That is so funny.
darthbry- "Thomas Jefferson said it best.."I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
Great Quote!
But it coming from a slave owner makes it funny!!
Sgt Rock-true insurance companies and pharmas love this subsidized customers.
I do find it absolutely comical watching all these Tea Party activists on social security moaning about "socialized medicine". Where were they when we added the prescription drug benefits we cant afford. They were pretty freaking silent then. Give me mine. Now they are sooooooooo concerned with spending their "grandkids" future. What a joke
@ Mike Davidson
Might be worth reading a non-partisan analysis of the bill from a site that even Dick Cheney has cited (albeit incorrectly).
http://factcheck.org/2009/08/twenty-six-...
Also, please stay in Wyoming if you think you are allowed to use lethal force to stop an attempted theft of property... or go back to Texas. Thanks to LV Metro we've got enough bullets flying around the Valley that aren't hitting their intended targets, the last thing we need is one more cowboy out here who thinks that frontier justice is still in vogue.
SgtRock's argument: "socialized" medicine invigorates capitalism?
Ok!
The Republicans, in their meanness and vile, wanted Health Care Reform to be "Obama's Waterloo." In fact, in their zeal to bring down this American President, and the American people along with him, they obstructed everything that came before them.
Keep predicting doom for America. Keep labeling everything "socialist" or "communist." Put Michelle Bachmann together with Sherman Fredrick of the LVRJ to write an expose on un-American activities in Washington. Keep putting the best Republican leadership available on display, such as: Sarah Palin, John Boehner, Rush Limbaugh... and the list goes on and on. Come November the American people are going to remember how nasty and un-American Republicans really are. They are going to remember what Republicans tried to do to them. Mostly they are going to remember how badly Republicans failed, and 'this' will be their Waterloo.
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I think Rush has the right idea, because all the locals will be here for the handouts. you can't wait for all the hard working people to book passage out!!!! then who would pay for your handouts? There are better places to be than here now. Just like your Michelle O, maybe some day we will be able to say, I'm finially proud to be an american, today is not the day.This place has become a bunch of lazy whiney, give me something for nothing "entitlement" wanting a piece of what someone else worked for country. Disgusting.
I'm guessing the pseudo-patriots above are also against public education as well. What a bunch of anti-social whack jobs.
Well both they and their children will be able to enjoy the fruits of this fight.
Healthcare reform has passed but an unintended consequence of the battle is that far-right extremist lost emotional control of themselves and went completely crazy.
Comically, these dimwits don't get it. They actually think sensible moderate voters will help elect whackos gone wild. They're swimming in kool-aid and have lost all sense of reality.
Tea Baggers & repubs FASCIST TO THE CORE...
Disgusting! Obama is the most unAmerican person I have ever seen and he and his gang of idiots are running this country into the ground. This HC bill is the beginning of turning America, the land of the free, into a socialist society.
I called Barney Frank a nasty name and was censored. Oh my goodness! What virgin ears thou hast, ms censor.
My point was that Barney Frank once stated that home ownership was a "basic human right" and we all now can see what happens when the gov tries to tell an industry how to do its job! The banks were saying way back when that the majority of those who take out no money down loans with bad credit scores will simply walk away if their price decreases in value. They were right, the gov was wrong.
Now the insurance industry is saying that if you force them to take pre-existing conditions, force them to insure everyone, that our premiums will double in the next few years in order to keep them profitable. Remember, this bill doesn't really take effect until 2014. Since the gov is now involved, what they have already stated they will do is raise the amount of money they take from your paycheck. As the years pass, don't be surprised if your tax witholdings re double or triple what they are today. This is simple, basic economics. Ins premiums are based on how much money the ins company has to pay out. When 30 million non payers are added to the system, and many diseased people are added to the system who otherwise wouldn't be in the system, the amount the ins company has to charge it's "pool", you, the insured, goes way way up. I wouldn't be surprised to see ins premiums 3-4 times higher than they are today before the ins companies either go out of business or are bailed out by the taxpayers. Either way, you lose.
Midwestgal- gotta love you hysterical types. "Socialist Society" we already are. Gov owns the banks, most mortgages in this country, the auto industry and has provided "socialized medicine" to more than 30% of the country for a long time now. Medicare and and Medicaid are more "socialized medicine" than most European countries have (most of the decent ones use PRIVATE INSURANCE companies). The government: has doctors enrolled, approves or denies claims and pays claims, that my friend is socialized medicine and over 30% of the population is and has been on it. I know all you Hannity listeners have a hard time understanding that because you just take everything he says as fact. And yes, people with money really do go there for treatment, I know the chicken little crowd likes to pretend "everyone that can afford it" comes here for treatment but that is simple untrue.
You guys would be more creditable if you had been screaming "socialism" and "spending our grandkids future" if you had put up such a stink when we added prescription benefits to medicare that we cant afford. Fact is medicare was going to bankrupt us alone, that is why you have this bill.
Tea Party People sure were no where to be found when the prescription drug benefit we can not afford was added were they. Nope, they wanted their "socialized medicine" now scream when they think they might lose something. That is un American, let people trying to raise a family buy their meds and mine, since I failed to plan and have no business being retired but I'm gonna scream if they receive anything protections.
One last point, I have to work today, so I can't entertain you low life libs.
Since when is "health care" a "basic human right? Food in America isn't a "basic human right". The gov can care less if charlie who served his country in war is eating out of the garbage can, doesn't see food as a "basic human right". What about shelter? Certainly having a roof over your head should be considered a "basic human right"? Certainly to have life and liberty without a home is neither life or liberty, but that's not a "basic human right" either, is it. Of course not! The USA gives us the RIGHT to succeed if we pay the price and do the things that we need to do to prosper and it justly punishes those who sit on their but, get high, drunk etc. It's called a free market! When the gov gets involved and starts giving out free this or that, the market is no longer free, and neither are we as a people. Welcome to the new, socialized America, where one cannot become a millionaire an threaten the wealth of today's Pelosi's, Obama's, Bush's and Clintons. No. They grew up in a fee America where they could "come up" and become millionaires. Good luck amassing wealth now that we are a "wealth distribution" country. Good luck.
Medicare, prescription drugs, are a drop in the bucket compared to the HC system which is a LARGE chunk of our GNP, over 20%.
And yes, the Medicare, SSI entitlements are set to bankrupt this country in the coming years anyway because too many old people will be getting money and too few people will be working. The coming depression only makes matters worse! Yes, I said DEPRESSION! The cause will be this HC bill which will put a lot of "near the edge" companies over the edge and a lot of people in the soup lines. Without working slaves to feed the entitlements, the old people who paid in their entire lives will soon be hit with the reality of a shrinking and shrinking entitlement check moving forward. Forget COLA increases, those days are over. Welcome to the new tomorrow, smaller checks, until there are none. (USA declares bankruptcy) Dollar become worthless. Inflation at 120%. People dying of hunger. Thanks Obama! Mission accomplished, you Maoist POS!
mikedavidson- cant disagree with your overall view of things to come, I wish it was not true but you are correct. Of course blaming Obama alone is silly, this mess has been decades in the making.
I wouldnt call adding to a huge mess "just a drop in the bucket" Thats how we created this mess, a billion dollar drop here a billion dollar drop there....by that logic this whole bill is a drop in the bucket compared to the trillions, yes trillions we have used to prop up the banks.
It is not 20% of our gdp, its closer to 16% and well over 30% of that is already DIRECTLY paid by the government via medicare and medicaid.
The medicare system was going o crash us any dam way or give us 50% payroll taxes to support it.
Both parties created this mess
Of course Obama isn't to blame for the overall state of the union, just this latest fiasco and the "bailout" fiascos.
Just to think that 10 years ago Clinton gave us a balanced budge ...mainly because the GOP controlled the congress and Gingrich made a vow to balance the budget. Those were the good ol' days, they passed welfare reform to kick the lifers off welfare after x number of years, and we ran a surplus, but storms were already brewing on the horizon because of the "free trade" agreements that year after year were outsourcing more and more US jobs and the pending 911 attacks that were years in the making by Israel and the Israel first traitors in our government. http://800poundgorilla.100webspace.net/g... That gave Bush and Cheney the excuse they needed to start a war without end in the middle east Obama is gladly moving forward.
I see the big picture. I see SSI and now the HC bill entitlements taking up 100% of GNP in 15 years, if we are still a world economic power. Doubt it. China and India are the business model of the future and our future business model once the US eventually fails. That's what this is all about. Libs don't know history. They don't know that US bankers funded Russia and red China. They don't know that a handful of Zionist non religious Jews, satanist atheists are running the world, and Obama, like a puppet. "You're anti Semitic" the people will say, but they don't know history. If you want to know the truth about Zionists by the way, ask a religous jew, they'll be more than happy to tell you. http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/ Who cares what the 70% of US jews in the US think who claim to be atheists, they're not really jews anyway, after all, being jewish is a religion, not a race they say, right?
Thanks Stevem. Your "is it now ok to club a chubby" comment is priceless and just about sums up the value of this legislation.
What can we, as Americans, do to stop what is going on with our government, such as big spending, taking away of our freedoms, etc.?
I couldnt agree more mike, we have a big problem brewing. To bad most people seem to swallow the red herrings hook,line and sinker. Stalin had a phrase for them "useful idiots", wind them up and watch them go, they run with with talking points and never look behind the curtains.
Even now Tool's of the Republic Party continue to try to substitute stupidity for facts, yet stubbornly cling to their fear of the dark. The boogieman is in the White House, Mao has been resurrected from the dead, and socialist hoards are turning America into the land of socialist-communist zombies! Yes, the RUSH is on, leave now before its too late!
The useful idiots don't even know they're hypnotized and brain washed, both dem and rep! The reps are brain washed to blame all of our problems on "fanatical islam" which I know for a fact could not be further from the truth. The dems are brain washed to believe that the gov can afford to give them a free ride without destroying our free society and our free markets. Both are useful idiots come election time to give us an option like Obama or McSame for POTUS. Given the number of distractions and entertainment available today, not to mention the "enemy" controls mass media, I'd say the chances of the general public becoming enlightened with the truth are slim to none.
midwestgal-does that include ending prescription drug benefits and subsidized senior housing and utilities? That big spending and takes away my freedom to use my money to care for my family and plan for my retirement so I am not a burden on my children or society like so many people who failed to plan are
Celeritas nails home my point.
midwestgal,
Become informed on what is happening and then e-mail everyone you know. Only when the informed reach a tipping point we we be able to truly have the stomach to do what must be done to take back our Republic.
In the good old days, community and church helped the needy and gave them free medical service via the local church run hospital where doctors like Ron Paul worked for next to nothing to serve the poor. The way I see it, the communists despise religion and want to take her place as a provide of social services. With less and less religious people however because of the degradation of morals and the brainwashing of our youth via the mass media, tv, music, etc towards a Luciferian world view, it's only a matter of time before the world reaps it's just reward.
What Free Market and Free Society is this davidson person referring to?
We live in a Society built on Debt-Slavery and mountains of controls to contain anyone who would dare try to escape.
Where is this Free anything? You maybe able to move around your cage a bit, but beyond that what?
Today we do, it wasn't like that only 10 years ago! 10 years ago our country had no national debt, none. Free means you have a choice as to what you do with your life. In communist countries, they tell you what to do, where to live, what to eat. They give you a free education to become a doctor if your smart, a street cleaner if your dumb; both won't get paid a dime. The doctor will get a nicer place to live, a nicer apartment, and maybe more or better food to eat, but that's it. Both the doctor and the street cleaner will get free health care, free food, and free lodging. Everyone gets educated and brain washed to think about national unity and the "whole" vs individual rights. Imagine no religion. Not allowed. Imagine the world being as one, no one greater than the other, everyone fed, no more hungry people, everyone educated, everyone with a place to sleep, everyone equal. That is where we're heading. The opposite is what our founding fathers fought and died to create here in the USA.
It is always the Jews and the Blacks with the guntotin' cowboy from WY. What a racist! I am a white guy and I don't appreciate racists like Mr Cheyenne Davidson. I gave him a gurl's name cuz he is such tough guy.
He probably take his side arm to the grocery store. He is so scared of seeing a person of color, he fondles his concealed weapon when he sees a minority.
What a Bad man. I tell you what, we have too many Libertarians like mikedavidson in Las Vegas. He can drive his pick-up back to Rock Springs or Cody.
The problem with people like him is they don't realize that our society has changed and we as citizens of the USA have to evolve.
The GOP is out of touch with reality.
Their ideas are dead.
They haven't got a positive message, and as uninformed as most Americans are they will see the folly of the GOP.
Oh, Mikedavidson probably won't see this, because he is busy going to his J.O.B.
So, I don't have to worry about some vitriol being spewed by him to me.
Yes, in free societies, you don't have your mother holding your hand your entire life making sure you're fed, you cleaned your room, you eat plenty of veggies, telling you how to live your life until the day you die. In a free society, you learn to swim or you sink. However, in a free society, there are few roadblocks set in place that will prevent you from becoming financially independent. If you're smart, you'll avoid debt, you'll spend your money on things that don't go down in value, you'll spend your money on things that can make you money, etc etc.
If you have to give the gov 70% of your income, which will be the case here soon enough, game over. You're no longer in control of your own destiny. The gov controls and owns you.
The United Sates has been in Debt since the Federal Reserve was born, in 1913. Our money IS Debt. We work as slaves in a debt based control grid. Once slaves were fed and housed and costs paid for by the plantation owner, now? we pay for it<<some would call that Free-Dom.
Go look at your mortgage and you tell me, who is the slave in this equation? 10% to your end, 90% to the System, yep Freedom!
Okay, I see where you're going with that. I'm also against the fiat money system and I curse the traitors who put us on that road 80 years ago. Problem is that we won't be able to get rid of that system until we form a new republic after a revolution removes the current traitors to the constitution. Sorry, those are just the facts.
Many in my circle want to see the beast destroy itself so that we can start over from scratch and do away with charging interest, fiat money, etc and go back to Christian principles. Those who think otherwise can set-up their own gov and well compete against each other, see which works better.
The GOP has shifted the tax burden from the wealthy to the working class. This has been done over a thirty year period. It started with St. Reagan and continued with Clinton as well.
Reagan also demonized blacks. Examples were: (Welfare Queens and Crack Cocaine laws).
For people to sit there and talk about all the advantages of our free market system, realize this we have stores like WalMart which dominate more than %50 of retail. Our banking system is getting to be dominated by fewer players.
This is monopolistic capitalism.
WalMart is responsible for cannibalizing thousands of businesses if not tens of thousands.
Manufacturing has been curtailed by these free market neo-liberal policies of racing to the bottom. These policies all started under Reagan.
Public Education another system that has been destroyed by policies of the Right Wing.
Environmental Degradation is more of the same from the right. Mountain Top Removal in West Virginia is just one example. Not too mention putting roads in wilderness areas here in Nevada and other western states.
All these have been policies of the GOP.
So the GOP gives the average American the one finger salute every way and every chance they get!
Another thing is the GOP has treated workers with disdain. They have let workplace safety slip, They not enforced immigration laws as related to work.
They didn't enforce overtime pay laws.
Elaine Chao sided with big business against unions almost every time. She will go down as the most corporate friendly Labor Secretary ever.
But, what do you expect she is married to Mitch McConnell. He will go down as one of the worst GOP senate minority leader. Both of those two hate workers and the poor more than any in politics. There may be some member of the GOP leadership that hates average Americans more, but I haven't found them.
YES WE DID. Let the obstructionist, Party of NO whine. Throw the B*****ds out starting with Roboman Ensign and Da Heller.
DD,
Regan was controlled by the Zionists (Bush) and we've been under their control ever since. The so called "neocons" are nothing but communists in disguise. A different type of communist, but still a communist. They want Israel to rule the world (and they are). Israel does whatever it wants, even when they break treaties and get UN sanctions the US has their back. Why? They hijacked our country from within. All we can do as Americans is wait for their next 911 attack against us.
For those who don't think Israel was behind 911, read http://800poundgorilla.100webspace.net/g... then watch this movie. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=... for another false flag op by Israhell vs the USA. Also read these websites. http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/ and http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/i... Once you know the truth, pass it on. Once enough Americans know the enemy is within, we can then kick those stinkin zionists out of our country once and for all.
PS. This page is a must view. It shows that the AP news wires reports on only 15% of Pali children being killed by terrorist Jew bombs but when an innocent jew is killed by an Arab terrorist, they report it every time. Why do you think that is? Who's really driving the bus for the USA? http://www.ifamericansknew.org/media/ap-...
I personally liked Regan. He wanted to do good things like stop drugs from entering our country. He declared a "war on drugs" and enlisted the military to stop all drugs from entering our country. Poor ol' boy didn't know Bush and the CIA along with Oly North were selling the Contras weapons in exchange for Cocaine which fueled the 80's drug culture and crack epidemics. http://www.consortiumnews.com/2000/06080... Of course Bush enlisted family friend Brinkley to shoot Regan, and the war on drugs was over. After that, it was Nancy and "Just Say No", lol. http://tarpley.net/online-books/george-b... Poor Regan. He was just a puppet, as is Obama today. I'm sure Obama wants to get us out of the Middle East and Gitmo, but that sidekick Rahm, Israel-US dual citizen, and dual alliances, says "not on my watch". So the war machine only gets cranked up. http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/02/01/obama...
Why is there no War on Hunger, or War on Homelessness, or War on ridiculously over price Health Care? how bout a War on Polluters? or a War on Businesses who hire illegals?
Oh that's right there is no profit in doing the right bloody thing.
Ronald Reagan? the hypocrite Labor Organizer, two-bit Movie Actor turned Presidential Speech Reader? The guy who's legacy has allowed 1% of the population to accumulate 50% of the Wealth? that bedtime for bozo?
Larry who my nephew has done his lawn and trimmed his trees, for cash, is very sad that this health care bill has passed. All we can do is hope he gets on his feet soon, Larryvegas its not the end of the world.
LADYAT62---
"We really want less to live on and more taxes so Joe Blow, the welfare guy can live good and buy his big screen tv."
So you will join us in ridding us of the medicare prescription drug benefit we can afford and adding deductibles and copays so it resembles a free market insurance policy and we put an end to these socialist programs for the few paid by many?
I know exactly how you feel, I have to worry about supporting my family of five, the last thing I need to is to also pay for someone else (especially people who spent their working years in: the most prosperous period of the most prosperous country in the history of the planet during the prosperous period for the world and still screwed it up by not planning correctly) makes my mission twice as hard. If they cant buy their own medicine or pay a free market deducible maybe they have not business being retired, thats a reward for hard work AND proper planning not a right. They can say "Welcome to Walmart" just as well as the guy who is doing it now.
We need to get rid of this socialized medicine known as Medicare. Are you aware that it is MORE SOCIALIZED MEDICINE (gov managed, claims approved, denied and paid by Uncle Sugar) than most European countries have. Yep these medicare clowns are a bunch of socialist leaches.
Besides it will bankrupt us folks trying to raise families and ruin our children, the math simple doesnt work. It is unsustainable,period end of story.
Glad to see you dont want to see a bunch of grey haired socialist destroy young families and our countries future to compensate for their poor planning and sense of entitlement about retirement.
Come on Tea Party Activists let the Express start by rolling over this travesty of socialism thats guaranteed to kill our country and ruin our kids future. Over 34% of the country already get its care from this deadbeat drop box and by 2012 it will be over 50%. If you want your kids to pay 50% payroll tax to support it do nothing, comrade!!!
Ya well if the Mythical Free Market worked it would not have come to this. Unfortunately when you have a profit motive, the "market" gets hosed in favor of a few. Now you have ongoing damage control in Health Care et al.
Anybody defending $200,000 operations and $75 pills over the health of kids from a single mother has been brainwashed by the Medical Lobby. Heard all the arguments and all of that is basically thinly veiled Racism and Fear anyway.
Problem with HC is the prices are way too high. That IS the problem. Why are they high? because too many deadbeats want in? or is it more complex than that? If demand exists, would not the "market" work to met this demand? course but we do not have a Free Market because that is fairy dust thinking to begin with. You simply cannot have a flea market beyond a parking lot and not expect serious problems.
When one understands the ongoing War to stop alternatives from entering this equation, you fully understand the beauty of the scam afoot. Again this has really nothing to do with the uninsured, welfare mothers, illegals etc etc. What you are looking at it an almost perfect Scam. Everything needed to milk people is in place with Health Care.
It is our money our taxes we want a major dam big say in how it is spent. Good on you Mr. President.
Hope NJ enjoys the extra coverage they will undoubtedly be shelling out for the morbidly obese lady there who would like to "acheive" 1000 lbs. Hopefully for the consituents' sake, Gov. Christie will be among the state that file a lawsuit for this very reason. Idealism gone amok.
Personally, I think health care should be a non profit venture with preventative care, alternative care, herbs, etc in the mix. As it stands, the drug companies call the shots. Disease is manage not treated. And cheap natural cures are not allowed. That's a-s backwards and this bill did NOTHING to fix any of those problems, so, premiums will go up much faster now than they have in the past, you'll have less choices, less doctors, longer waiting times times (think of being on a bus in Mexico full of sweaty people and chicken's in cages)
It's a total joke ...and the jokes on us.
Obama got it signed!
-Mark Szczygiel