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Democratic Rep. Dina Titus, center, greets audience members after hosting a town-hall meeting on health care Oct. 19, 2009, at Temple Ner Tamid in Henderson. During the meeting, she was the target of some hostility, including calls of “liar.”
Friday, March 19, 2010 | 9:11 a.m.
Dina Titus
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WASHINGTON -- Add Democratic Rep. Dina Titus to the yes column on health care reform.
With just days left before an expected Sunday vote on historic health care reform legislation, the Southern Nevada congresswoman announced today she will be voting to pass the bill -– a politically dicey move that will be sure to follow her on the campaign trail this fall.
Titus has been the subject of a fierce political campaign from groups on both sides of the issue trying to sway her opinion. Those opposed to health care have targeted her with radio and TV ads.
"While the legislation the House will vote on this weekend is not perfect, it makes critical reforms," Titus said.
"This bill will make real progress by preventing insurance companies from denying coverage for pre-existing conditions, closing the donut hole for prescription drugs and giving families and small businesses the largest health care tax break in history," Titus said. "Where flaws still exist, I will continue to push for additional reforms."
Titus noted the $1 million in "special-interest ads" that have barraged voters in her district. "I have always made my decisions based on what I believe is in the best interests of the people of District Three ... This time is no different."
Titus had voted for an earlier version of the bill in November, but had remained undecided on the latest bill, saying she needed time to review the final legislation and cost estimates.
Republicans who almost universally oppose the health care reform have pledged to make health care a top issue in their campaigns. Titus is the first Democrat to represent the politically split Southern Nevada district and is likely to face a difficult re-election this fall.
Goodbye Titus!!!!
Thank you Representative Titus for doing what's right!
Thank you, Dina!
How about listening to what the people in your district want instead of you voting for what you think is best?
You are politically dead come November. You're a tratior.
...And for not bowing down to the pharmaceutical and insurance companies extorting the American people. It's not a perfect bill but it is certainly a step forward to reducing the deficit and helping Americans not go bankrupt from medical bills.
Congratulation to Dina Titus for making a proper decision.
What Sen ensign did this week is despicable in attempting to organize opposition to this initiative,
Since when does Sen Ensign speak with any credibility for anyone but himself. Thats enough to convince me to vote for Dina this fall.
@jlb101 I don't know what a "tratior" but if you mean she did the right thing, you're right.
In the end, she's a Democrat. I think we all should know by now that she would play games, acting as a hold out, and ultimatley double cross us. Titus must go!
jlb101,
Golfing has fried what little brain cells you have left. Enjoy your skin cancer!
Thank you Dina!
Talk about being clueless....
"And for not bowing down to the pharmaceutical and insurance companies extorting the American people."
Here is a 411.....Obama cut a deal very early with pharmaceutical.
He agreed not to open up imports of drugs.
Pharmaceuticals agreed to spend hunrdeds of millions in money promoting ObamaCare.
The people elected her so she could represent the people. Somewhere along the process these elected officials forget who they represent. Don't you forget that fact at the polls next time.
Like there was ever any doubt that she was going to vote for it. But the game she played got her a little more attention and on the 6:00 News a couple of times more.
I think if the health care opponents knew that mental health problems were a pre-existing condition that can be covered, they'd be all for it.
Well, this is sure a shocking turn of events!
Don't kid yourselves, repubs. This is not going to cost Dina votes. If you were a Dina Titus supporter, you likely support health-care reform.
If you are against the bill, you likely were not a Titus supporter.
Thank you, Dina Titus. You are doing the right thing!
Given her work history, where does she come off saying there are good reforms in the bill? Oh yeah, taxes are mentioned in the mid three figures throughout which is the only thing she knows with all those years being on the public payroll.
God help us.
Will her vote result in any pork for Las Vegas? I didn't think so.
Dina is a nice lady but will not be getting my vote.
Highly disappointed.
"he people elected her so she could represent the people. Somewhere along the process these elected officials forget who they represent. Don't you forget that fact at the polls next time."
I won't. And in this case, I'm glad Dina hasn't forgotten who sent her to Washington. We the people did, NOT the HMOs, PhRMA, and the Chamber of Commerce!
Thank you, Dina! Those of us who actually live in the district and don't need insurance company talking points to speak will stand with you and make sure you're reelected this year so you can keep fighting for Southern Nevada's working families.
I guess she got my e-mail. MY Representitive has had her phones clogged by anrgy dito-heads from accross the country for a week. Despite betraying me by allowing the DMV to sell personal info, I guess I'll vote for her.
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Will send $ to anyone running against Titus.
All I gotta say is she better vote YES or she is done!!
The dirty republican party held both the house and the senate majority as well as the White House and you know what they did? NOTHING!!! Wait I take that back they did Give the rich a tax break in 2001 that increased the deficite by 1.2 Trillion, and then again another tax cut for the rich in 2003 that increased the deficite by 349 Billion.
So dont bother listening to the two faced lying republicans who are so worried about the cost. The CBO already said it was going to reduce the deficite by 1.2 Trillion over 20 years. Its paid for unlike the things they do.
If they were interested in reforms they should have gotten it done a long time ago, but all they care about is special interests.
Thank you, Dina Titus, for representing the people. Yes, the people who voted you in - the majority of District 3. We want real reform, and this is a good start.
If you define "liberty" as being totally on your own with tax dollars only going to military defense, you can keep your liberty. Liberty, to me, includes being free from fears of losing everything to outrageous medical expenses, with or without insurance.
Just like every other private industry, the government must regulate insurance to protect the people. Because for-profit insurance agencies are committed to protecting their profits, not providing care.
Capitalism does not work on its own. It needs referees. Government and the markets work hand-in-hand.
Now on to campaign finance reform!!
Dina is my hero - thank you! I liked your statement on knpr - fewer people will be killed by the health insurance industry - that is progress. It helps the US to begin to come to the modern world. Single payer has to come so we join all the countries which are progressive!
Thanks Dina for showing some leadership. America will be stronger as a result of this!!!
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Thank you for standing with the people and not with the insurance companies. Thank you for standing with the President and not with John Boehner. Thank you thank you. God Speed Congresswoman - God Speed.
Thank you, Dina - you have my vote! The people attacking you would never have voted for you, regardless. Not a single one of them.
Welcome to the Obama Socialist Regime Dina.
Some of these comments are extremely racist and should be removed. Let us all get along! This is America!
Thank you Rep Titus for doing what is right for all Americans!!! It is definitely a step in the right direction for health care reform. We cannot depend upon the health insurance companies to make the right decisions on the quality of our health care. Insurance companies are a for-profit industry and are not in the business to protect us by providing adequate care, but in the business to make a profit for their directors and shareholders. It is time for the American people to take back control.
Thank you for doing the right thing for Nevadans and not succumbing to pressure from the insurance lobby and the far right crazies!
I'm glad we are going to get some sort of health care reform, but we should not be so over joyed with getting this water downed insurance bill. The Democrats had a huge chance and a clear mandate for change but somehow lacked the moral courage to push it through with a public option.
This is good, but we all know you can do better.
Most every American, including myself, want Health Care Reform but not by corruption, back-room deals and the method this attempted 'take-over' is going about it.
First, I knew she would do what she thought was best, and this bill is the best we can do. All credit to Harry Reid for getting it through the Senate and to Dina Titus for supporting it.
Now, for those of you attacking her and the bill, none of you has ever had a pre-existing condition, obviously, or you wouldn't be doing the bidding of the insurance companies making obscenely high profits off of other people's misfortunes. I suspect you also go to church and claim to be a believer and doing God's work. If so, why do you want to do nothing to help your fellow human beings? And are you going to condemn the Tea Baggers who were attacking the man with Parkinson's? Or are you scum like they are?
Every social parasite and freeloading bum seems to be posting today. This is no longer America "land of the free home of the brave", it has been taken over by the likes of Hitler, Stalin and other noted criminals. If the bums want something why don't they get it the American way, earn it. Don't have the government steal it from someone who works harder than you do and is more successful. Ashamed to be an American.
@SgtRock It's not so cut and dry that pharmaceuticals are in on HCR. It's a mixed bag. Their opposition to it stems from placing price points on costs for drugs.
Easy on the insults. Judging by your posts your name probably applies to what's between your ears.
"The Democrats had a huge chance and a clear mandate for change but somehow lacked the moral courage to push it through with a public option."
And I fully agree, TOG. I wish the ConservaDems had not dug in their heels on the public option, and I wish Democratic leaders could have worked harder to find the votes for it. Still, we need to start somewhere and this is a good start.
"The people attacking you would never have voted for you, regardless. Not a single one of them."
Agreed, Bill. The teabaggers are NOT a majority and they would NOT have voted for Reid and Titus regardless of what they would have chosen on health care. The Republicans will be in for quite the surprise in November, and I think they won't be liking it.
"I suspect you also go to church and claim to be a believer and doing God's work. If so, why do you want to do nothing to help your fellow human beings? And are you going to condemn the Tea Baggers who were attacking the man with Parkinson's? Or are you scum like they are?"
Hear, hear, Dr. Green! Why would anyone continue to defend the HMOs and their egregious habits of denying coverage to those who need it and bilking those of us stuck with lousy, overpriced insurance plans?
We are nearing a historic victory, and thanks to Dina, we're one step closer.
@jlb101 You're probably the guy throwing one dollar bills at the guy with Parkinsons' at the Tea Party rally I saw in that video that's gone viral.
Listen, this isn't about hand-outs. Is it distasteful that some milk the system? Yes of course and it cuts across all lines, political, racial, class-level, etc. That doesn't mean you throw the baby out with the bath water.
Again, the fact is that millions of regualar hard-working, tax-paying Americans can't afford coverage and lose coverage as soon as they have a medical need. What's so difficult to understand about that?
We ALREADY foot the bill for most care in the country at waste and great expense. This is an attempt to reel that in.
If you're so bent out of shape about big deficits, as I am, you should be the farthest from being a Republican. Seriously. What adminsitrations have created the biggest deficits??
Dina,
If you are your staff are reading these comments, please don't be overjoyed by the show of support. You were pinned. If you voted no you would have incurred the wrath of your party and still will lose in November. If you vote yes as you plan to you still will lose but you will get a job in the Obama Administration (Ambassador or Secretary). Either way your decision for the public good is wrong. It is a poor bill that will hurt more people than it will help. Get ready to pave that road to hell.
Dina,
I am proud to have been a supporter and pledge my money, influence and efforts to keeping you in your position of influence. You have truly represented my best interests and I believe you will continue to do so.
Passing this bill is just a start, over the coming years, there is work to do to fix the inequalities in the system. I pledge my support to you and your cause.
Jlb101. I am so sorry you embrace the precepts of hatred and discrimination. It establishes your morality as the bottom of the spectrum in our society. It must be hard to live in your skin. Jay (one of those you called a social parasite and freeloading bum)
What happened to waiting 72 hours after the bill came back from the CBO and it was posted to read? I called the Congresswoman's office yesterday and was told that the Congresswoman had not even seen the final bill. They stated she would not decided until she read the now 2700 page bill. Another unfunded entitlement that is disguised at needed reform. Reform by politicians that exempt themselves and their employees is no reform at all. Another bill our children will have to pay for.
Thank you! These diehard Republicans have put this country right into the trash bucket. What they aren't owning up to is the deficit that they have put this country trough that will take generations to pay for. Their grandkids will be appalled when the history books are written as to what they did to this country all for their OWN special interests.
Jlb101,
I need to know what you do for a living. My guess is that you are retired and no longer contribute to the common good. I assume that your family is distanced from you and look upon you as their "crazy, lunatic old man".
Please reply and let me know if I am at all accurate?
Dina
Thanks
"What happened to waiting 72 hours after the bill came back from the CBO and it was posted to read? "
They haven't voted yet. The bill was posted yesterday and the vote will be on Sunday.
"Another unfunded entitlement that is disguised at needed reform. "
The bill is funded.
"Another bill our children will have to pay for."
Actually, the bill will slash more than 1 trillion from the deficit, so our kids should be thanking us, Voter.
She will commit political SUICIDE by voting for this unconstitutional illegal bill. REMEMBER HER THIS NOVEMBER.
This vote will not hurt her because the people who say NOW that they wouldn't vote for her over this would not have voted for her in the first place. It's sort of like the idiots--and I don't use the word lightly--who say they didn't vote for her because of her accent. If you are giving that reason, you were just too lazy or silly to admit the real reason, which is that you don't like or agree with her--which is fine; if you don't like or agree with someone, you should vote for someone else. But, as Michael Corleone said so well, don't insult my intelligence.
Thanks for the reminder, UtahFred. We definitely will remember her this November. I need to get a check off to her so that she can continue the good fight. WTG Dina!
The majority voted her in and the majority still supports her.
Lets see what sort of criminal the Republicans can find to put up against her.
Axiom..I couldn't agree with you more. Dina, you make me proud that I voted for you!
In a deal to get approval from the AMA, the Dem's had a secret plan to spend some $300 billion on the Medicare doctor fix later this year in a different bill to adjust this lower doctor payments in this bill.
This new story has just hit the news wire.
This bill is already a deficit busting plan even with CBO scoring.
Titus is voting to bust the budget.
" But, as Michael Corleone said so well, don't insult my intelligence."
That would be hard.
You have no intelligence to insult.
This is a rain on your parade reality check for those of you who are congratulating each other-
Article 1, Section 7 of the Constitution stipulates that for any bill to become a law, it must pass both the House of Representatives and the Senate. The bill must contain the exact same language in both chambers - and in the version signed by the president - to be a legitimate law.
If Pelosi tries the deem and pass without meeting the constitutional requirements, this thing will be so tied up with legal challenges by the States that we will all be long dead before you get your socialized health care.
And if they go with an up or down vote (which they are likely too scared to do)Virginia already enacted legislation that prohibits the federal government from forcing its citizens to purchase government-approved health insurance. and at least 30 other states are following that lead.
The challenges alone will tie up Obamacare long enough to throw out Obama, Pelosi & Reid, at which time this will be repealed before the challenges are even finished.
This will never happen people.
"Don't kid yourselves, repubs. This is not going to cost Dina votes. If you were a Dina Titus supporter, you likely support health-care reform.
If you are against the bill, you likely were not a Titus supporter."
So a person who supported her last time but will lose their Medicare Advantage will most likely not vote for her again.
So a person who supported her last time but who fear the hundreds in billions in Medicare cuts will most likely not vote for her again.
So a person who supported her last time but will see their taxes increase will most likely not vote for her again.
So a person who supported her last time but do not want Obama-like people have more control over their healthcare will most likely not vote for her again.
You are right.
Just go back and drink some more koolaid.
Gee whiz, Sgt. Rock, you shouldn't be so hard on yourself... but if you insist, we believe that you have no intelligence to insult...
It's ok, Sarge is obviously very bitter and angry and is lashing out at other commenters. He and his party have failed in their bid to stop health care reform.
They have handed the Democrats a momentous victory.
Ask yourself this: if passing health care reform was such a sure way to defeat the Democrats in November, why would the Republicans be fighting it with so much vigor, spite and hatred? Wouldn't it be in their best interest to allow a vote and let the Dems "dig their own grave?"
Sorry to burst your teabag but this isn't a new method. Not the first time Deem and Pass has been used and it will survive court challenges if any even get heard by a court.
Opponents of the bill would have to demonstrate Standing and Real Damages and then overcome "Institutional Deference" just to get it in court and even then the language of the constitution never says "identical".
Precedent says any court challenges will fail.
I hope the new health care bill benefits lots of people. I hope all of us (including Sgt Rock and the other naysayers above and their families) are healthier and sleep better at night because of this bill. I hope it literally saves American lives.
Hopefully good people continue to try to pass moral legislation that benefits us all.
Why do we need to provide billions to the health insurance companies when we have a mechanism (Medicare) that can provide the same function without a 20% plus rake off to the criminals who run these companies?
I think you getting confused on the word "precedent".
Precedent in the court system does mean because you might have done something unconstitutional for 100's of times over decades makes it constitutional.
Precedent means there are previous court rulings on the subject.
As far, as I know, this has never been challegened in court.
I would wager good money that that "deeming" will be deemed as unconstitutional.
Sarge, to answer your points:
So a person who didn't support her last time but will be able to buy an individual plan created from a new risk pool will most likely vote for her now.
So a small business owner who didn't support her last time but who pays lower health insurance premiums will most likely vote for her now.
So a person without health insurance who who didn't support her last time but was denied because of a preexisting condition will most likely vote for her now.
So a person who didn't support her last time but lost their health insurance because of recission, which will soon be illegal will most likely vote for her now.
It goes both ways, Sarge.
"This bill is already a deficit busting plan...."
Wake up! If you haven't noticed the deficit has been busted ever since the Republicans took over with little George W!
A large reason the deficit is the way it is because of non-action of this very issue and always because the Republicans had thier way with things.
When are you republicans going to wake up and see reality? You had your chance many times and blew it. Now at least give the other guys a chance. Time will tell if it is right or wrong, but it can't be any worse than what Republicans have done.
November will be our great opportunity to cleanse the Socialists from the federal government.
"if passing health care reform was such a sure way to defeat the Democrats in November, why would the Republicans be fighting it with so much vigor, spite and hatred?"
We want what is best for the USA.
This is a horrible bill that will wreck havoc on Medicare, health insurance and become another budget busting hog.
Who knows what will happen in Nov but the polls right now show that American people are not happy with ObamaCare.
So if Democrats want to drink the koolaid then go right ahead and drink the koolaid.
henderson,
Read today's Wall Street Journal. You arguments are discussed and they are saying the State challenges will lose due to interstate commerce laws among other things.
Sarge:
"Chemerinsky tried and failed to mount a similar challenge to the Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 on behalf of angry Democratic legislators, -- including Slaughter, who happens to have come up with the current "deem and pass" idea, nicknamed "the Slaughter solution."
"In that case, no one disputed that the House and Senate had passed technically different versions of a bill -- the House version permitted certain Medicare payments for 36 months, while the Senate version stated 13 months -- or that President George W. Bush had signed the Senate version rather than wait for identical language to emerge from both bodies. "A different bill passed the House and the Senate, in clear violation of Article I, section 7" of the Constitution, said Chemerinsky."
"Even so, the Democrats were quickly thrown out of court. A federal judge explained that their claim of having been cheated out of the legislation they wanted wasn't the kind of injury a lawsuit could resolve. The same barrier would probably stop legislators or interest groups seeking to attack the pending health care law, according to Chemerinsky."
See Marshall Field & Co. v. Clark as to why court court challenges will fail. It doesn't speak directly to "Deem and Pass" but it will:
"The signing by the Speaker of the House of Representatives and by the President of the Senate, in open session, of an enrolled bill is an official attestation by the two Houses of such bill as one that has passed Congress, and when the bill thus attested receives the approval of the President and is deposited in the Department of State according to law, its authentication as a bill that has passed Congress is complete and unimpeachable.
...
It is not competent to show from the journals of either House of Congress that an act so authenticated, approved and deposited, did not pass in the precise form in which it was signed by the presiding officers of the two Houses and approved by the President."
http://supreme.justia.com/us/143/649/cas...
I notice that a post or two indicate that Dina will go to hell. Maybe they are already there and have knowledge that the rest of us lack? I believe that God will judge us all in our time and in the meantime we should do mercy, love with great enthusiasm, and seek to walk with our LORD. I think this vote for the bill is consistent with the best that we can do as mere mortals!
To stgrock, and all his lil' pebbles...
You can be angry, upset, P.O.'d, lose the rest of your mind, criticize Dina; Just don't put your personal animosity about health care reform off on the rest of the posters.
Attacking your fellow commenters will not change the way Dina Titus votes or where the sun sets tonight.
If it makes you feel better, go bang your head against a wall, that will accomplish a lot more than ranting at people that disagree with your far-right, self-righteous point of view.
Sgt said
"This is a horrible bill that will wreck havoc on Medicare, health insurance"
Why would conservatives try to pretend that they care about medicare?
Opps...edgewise.....almost all the things you listed will not started until 2014.
So perhaps we should delay the elections until 2015.
Most of what you say are wishes too and may or may not happen especially the lower preminums.
"We want what is best for the USA."
Then why did Republicans vote three times (twice in 2003 and once in 2001) to increase the deficit by 2 trillion dollars?
I don't believe they or you want what's "best" for the USA. You want to deny Democrats a successful bill.
...and for God's sake, man; enough with the "kool-aid" stuff. It's rather jr. high'ish, isn't it?
neutral,
Even if that's true, this legislation will be repealed before the challenges of every state are settled.
Professor Green was attacking fellow posters....I was giving him a taste of his own medicine.
Of course.....you never attack fellow posters and this bill will come under cost and the moon is made of cheese.
hey dina...
bravo!!!
Maybe we need a vote on what is your favorite flavor of cool aid?
I just love the Dems argument.
Bush was bad....he ran up deficits.
So we Dems want to do that 10x worse.
What????? What argument is that exactly?
Progress is scary, I understand that, but seriously it'll be OK I promise. I was just at the Post Office and strangely enough there was no Hammer & Sickle flags anywhere. Then I went down to the library and -get this- there were no swastikas to bee seen! I even saw an open church and apparently Obama didn't make them put up a Crescent or anything? What the?? I can't understand it...
Greg: please read the second paragraph in the below link. What do you think? Shouldn't scum like this be exposed?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairlight_(...)
Udde: any comments?
Mikegino, That is the most sense you've ever made.
Congratulations to Congressman Joe Heck!
So another Democrat jumps off the cliff for Obama. A sea change is coming to Washington in November.
"almost all the things you listed will not started until 2014."
WRONG!
New risk pool: 90 days after bill is signed!
Small business owner credits: by 2014!
Insurance co's banned from using pre-existing conditions starting 6 months after signature for kids!
Rescission banned 6 months after the bill is signed!
Come on, Sarge! Let's play honest and fair.
Great news.......Dina Titus now has my vote !!!!
Thank you Dina! My family supports you 100%!
The argument is that Republicans ran up 2 trillion in the deficit without blinking an eye and now want to cry to high heaven that we're passing a bill that REDUCES the deficit by more than a trillion dollars, Sarge.
It seems you're stipulating that Republicans aren't fiscally responsible. I'll accept that as fact, too.
Mike...
If you are talking about "Strider"/Fairlight/Fastlink, and the San Diego Repub chair, heck yes... but I think you have another point, no?
I agree that Republicans were not fiscally responsible and that now Democrats are trumping big time that lack of fiscal responsible.
Mr. Nance;
Agreed. My point is, I think this is certainly an issue where attacking each other is silly. Isn't there enough ammunition in the subject matter? Blast away at will.
If you were too check the IP addresses of most commenters, you'd notice they were out of Titus' 3rd district. Therefore I suspect she's gone in November.
Where were all of these concerns about budget busting when Bush handed out $1.3 trillion instead of paying down the national debt?
Dina...you did good...we are proud of you.
"What????? What argument is that exactly?"
It's the same argument you used when you said, "Professor Green was attacking fellow posters....I was giving him a taste of his own medicine."
I guess you can use that argument but others can't, Sarge?
"So a person who didn't support her last time but will be able to buy an individual plan created from a new risk pool will most likely vote for her now."
That will not happen until 2014.
"So a small business owner who didn't support her last time but who pays lower health insurance premiums will most likely vote for her now."
That is just a phony promise. Even high ranking Democrats are saying that premiums will rise no matter what happens.
"So a person without health insurance who who didn't support her last time but was denied because of a preexisting condition will most likely vote for her now."
That will not full happen until 2014. A person that is over 18 ("supported her last time") will still get denied for pre-existing conditions.
I have never posted on here and it seems to be biased towards liberals. Either way I guess I am entitled as the next guy to post.
I have a genetic disease and recently was lucky enough to recieve a transplant. I have learned to keep copies of all lab reports all ultrasounds, any test done. I ask when a written diagnosis will be ready. I keep it all in folders by recent date. I do not repeat test's and have all records ready for any new dilemma that may come around. Most people will not take the time to do this. Word to the wise if you have a serious illness and do not take an active part in your health care, you will fall through the cracks. Once the government gets involved in health care it will be that much harder to navigate the system. Ever talked to a government employee on the phone? Then you know what I am saying. I never liked Dina Titus and I do think she likes power. Good luck to the over 50 crowd, you just became dispensable.
edgewise, since what the CBO projects and what will happen are 2 different things. you think medicaid/medicare/Social Security was expected to implode and have trouble funding itself when it was created?
more likely, this will add to the deficit as it goes.
sorry, but this isn't reform. no public option, no reform. just a health insurance bailout. why else would the health insurance industry along with the pharmaceutical industry be on board (pending no drug imports and no public options of course!)
Progress comes slowly, let's not make Good the enemy of Perfect.
"That will not happen until 2014."
Now, I gave you the benefit of the doubt before, but I won't anymore. That is a lie, Sarge. The high-risk individual pool goes into effect 90 days after the President signs the bill.
"That is just a phony promise. Even high ranking Democrats are saying that premiums will rise no matter what happens."
If health insurance costs are projected to increase 7-8%, and they only increase 5%, then that small business owner will be paying less in taxes. That's not a phony promise, it's a fact.
"That will not full happen until 2014. A person that is over 18 ("supported her last time") will still get denied for pre-existing conditions."
They will be able to buy into the high-risk pool that begins 90 days after the President signs the bill, Sarge.
Some honesty might help your arguments, you know.
Thank you Dina, you did the right thing.
Now you will defeat (Joe Heck) a Republican lackey.
The crack pots like Mark Levin or the state governments or governors who think they are going to use the courts are going to fail.
If they want the fed money for roads, law enforcement and education etc. then they will have to comply. Like some bills treat some states different? Does the South have more military bases than other parts of the country??
State disability insurance, unemployment and worker's compensation insurance are all required in many states. If you can require disability insurance, you can require medical insurance.
The dittoheads aren't going to vote for Titus regardless of how she votes anyway.
It also looks like they won't need the deem process, so nutbar radio-ranters like Levin are out of steam anyway.
The people 50 to 65 are the people that can't get affordable insurance.
"you think medicaid/medicare/Social Security was expected to implode and have trouble funding itself when it was created?"
Do I think there are always hiccups when predicting the future? Yes. Do I think there are economic and social changes which cannot be predicted? Of course! Do I think the CBO did a best estimate? Yes. Do I think Republicans hate the CBO when the CBO disagrees with them? Yes. Do I think the Republicans love the CBO when it gives Democrats bad news? Of course!
Were those programs structured to implode? No and neither is this. Adjustments will be needed because psychics are unreliable and things change, but this is a good first step, jasun.
Also, jasun, if prior Presidents like Bush hadn't continuously raided Social Security to pay for other programs, things wouldn't be as bad as they are... but SS can still be repaired.
Also, Medicaid and Medicare can be repaired, and will be in better shape if we can pull down the cost curve and reduce medical cost inflation, something this bill achieves.
Greg: no, I'm actually one dimensional today.
"In a deal to get approval from the AMA, the Dem's had a secret plan to spend some $300 billion on the Medicare doctor fix later this year in a different bill to adjust this lower doctor payments in this bill. This new story has just hit the news wire."
And it was removed from the news wire, too... because a lot of people believe it's a hoax.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc...
Thank you, Dina, for doing the right thing.
"The high-risk individual pool goes into effect 90 days after the President signs the bill."
A million dollars says that's not true. Remember, the states will be challenging this legislation. It is a process. Nothing will be happening 90 days after Obama signs the bill. Nothing will happen until each state challenge has been addressed.
Thank you Dina for walking the plank. I never liked you anyways and I hate the sound of your voice. Good thing you'll be gone soon.
No one can be remotely surprised that Dina will vote yes. Dina needs democratic party support to stay alive.
I can't help but laugh at many of the comments. There are comments that do the normal republican bash and then some that say the evil rich are to blame and the got a tax break under Bush. In a crazy tax system that allows for people to make money come tax season.
I'm so tired of people blaming the rich for all their woes. Through out all time people have worked on a barter system or on a monetary system in civilized society. The idea is that someone has something you want our need and you provide them with something they want or need. Stop blaming those that have because we actually need people like that. Now, we need laws to prohibit individuals from stealing or killing people for things that others have (applies to rich and poor). There are terrible poor out there and terrible rich just like there are good poor and good rich people.
I have to run back to work.
This bill does nothing to control the cost of healthcare in America. It was the wrong bill. It is time to vote Dina out for not representing us.
"A million dollars says that's not true. Remember, the states will be challenging this legislation. It is a process. Nothing will be happening 90 days after Obama signs the bill. Nothing will happen until each state challenge has been addressed."
Actually, in order to stop implementation, the states would need an injunction... and chances are, those injunctions would apply only to the challenging state... IF an injunction is granted in the first place.
Just challenging the law doesn't stop it from going into effect, henderson.
In more bad news for Sarge: Politico has pulled down his beloved memo: http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0310/E...
Titus just voted herself OUT of office next election!!!!
Thank you Dina! You're fantastic!
She's TOAST
In Wyoming we're excited about what will happen once this becomes law. We feel this will "awaken" the white, red-neck, Christians who are still a majority in this country to band together for a united cause; to toss out everyone who voted for this with politicians who VOW to introduce legislation in 2-3 years that repeals this new law before any real benefits start to materialize. That's right, we're excited! Finally, something to wake a sleeping giant! You go girl!
This is what happens when you associate yourself with a smooth talking Socialist Con (Obama). Look who he is associated with. Hello?
An Independent
"A million dollars says that's not true. Remember, the states will be challenging this legislation. It is a process....."
We already know the Republicans will do what they always do. Trying to stop positive change and anything good for the average person is what they are all about. It is exactly why nothing gets done in this system.
I vote we pack all the Republicans up and ship them off to Iraq to live with the consequences of their superior actions. Go live in that utopia you created with fear and money.
I can at least get along with Democrats. They seem to be more intellegent and less self absorbed.
BTW, in WY, our state is running a surplus, no deficits here! Our unemployment is 4%, RE prices are stable. Why? FEW WELFARE CASES milking the system. Mostly white, Christian cowboys here. Too bad your state has been overrun with minorities, liberals and illegals. Thank god those types don't like the cold too much. We call this "God's country". A great place to retire and enjoy natural beauty, peace, good neighbors, and blue skies. True, we have to travel 1.5 hours to visit a big city (Denver) for city life every now and then. After a few hours of that however we're happy to get back in our trucks and go home.
Good luck LV, you need it with leaders like Titus!
Iraq has universal healthcare thank you USA taxpayers.
"white, red-neck, Christians...."
It will be interesting to see the look on their faces when they find out they are not the majority they think they are, just a bunch of ignorant hillbillies that should have gone to school instead of the liquor store.
LOL, We'll never be a minority where I live. Where you live? Perhaps. As for being ignorant hillbillies, some of the smartest clear thinking people I know live in the country. Nothing against you city folk but something about hard work, clean air and water, and non processed food that blesses us with clearness of thought and mind. Nothing like drinking milk straight from the cows tits! We may not have degrees in higher learning where they brain wash people into believing things like global warming and evolution, but we do just fine, thank you very much!
Thank you Congresswoman Titus. You have the courage to do the right thing and that is exactly what we need as our Congresswoman in DC. Hats off to you for your courage to do the right thing and yes you have my vote, in the past, now, and in the future
Here's an interesting story;
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2010/m...
Just when CBO needs help the most, what do they get?
"Iraq has universal healthcare thank you USA taxpayers."
Yea, Right.... If you are in the military you have healthcare. If you are a citizen, you are just trying to survive the kaos inflicted by American stupidity.
USA taxpayers were hoodwinked into allowing the criminal Republicans to scare us with lies into submission so they can make tons of money via contractors and military arms corporations.
They did the same thing with Wall Street. They scared us into the bailout till it was too late to change it. All part of the plan.
GOODBYE! ENOUGH SAID
Time for Dina to go. She and Harry Reed are a complete disappointment to the fine people of Nevada. They go to Washington and bring nothing home for their State.
Time to throw the bums out of office. We need new elected officials .... please show them to the unemployment line that they helped create.
Titus for Senate in 2012!!
states may challenge the legislation, but iirc, federal law supersedes state law, so its merely symbolic.
It's the right thing to do -- thanks Dina!
Sounds good to me..for the Senate..Reid in 2010 and Titus in 2012!
The hillbilly Teabaggers can move back to whee they came from!
THE SOCIAL PARASITES ARE HAPPY.
Too bad those 32 monkeys died. They would have voted for her too.
The rest of us that have to work for a living and pay taxes will vote her out with harry.
I wonder if Titus smokes cigarettes like Obama. I wonder if the gov will someday say "we have to outlaw cigs, causes too much disease, we can't afford it".
Where I come from, we don't like the fed gov telling us how to live our lives and what to do. We don't want them to force us to take their vaccines or use their pharma drugs. We like natural health alternatives to traditional medicine and consider good, natural, organic food to be the best medicine. Very few fat people here as well.
Why should we have to pay for the medical care of the city slicker types that use drugs, smoke, eat junk food, never exercise, are fat, etc? Answer, we won't have to once this legislation is either thrown out by the conservative supreme court or by the new member of Congress in 2012 that will surely be a very conservative majority.
Bottom line, you are responsible for your own health! If you're fat, if you smoke, if you eat junk food, if you don't exercise, if you use drugs, then expect to die an early, ignominious, painful death. The bible says that the wages of sin are death. What part of that do you city slicker mongrels not understand?
47% in the last election against Porter. This time I predict about 32% against anybody. It was nice knowing you but don't let the door hit you on your way out. Vote no on health care you dummy.
@Mikedavidson:
If you think everyone in the big scary city is a "mongrel" or a "Slicker(?)" why are you reading our papers, or bothering to chime in with your obviously fake cowboy persona? If you like living in the hills then good for you, but you mention that in EVERY post you make. Contribute to the debate or make a point, but quit with the Wyoming tourist board routine, it's getting old.
Seriously, your Little House on the Prairie living must not be so great because you sure post a lot.
Thank you Congresswoman Titus.
I'll go strait from here to your website to donate to your re-election campaign.
I was hoping you would listen carefully to the truth out there rather than all the Dem. gibberish and falsehoods, but, then again, you ARE a true Dem and that's what they/you do. I am so very disappointed that you let down the people of this country and Nevada where I live. You have sentenced all of us to long lines, decreased services, more costs, and government control where WE should have control. When has the government EVER done something better than the private sector - NEVER! I was hoping for better from you just this once. Enjoy retirement!
She'll never get my vote again.
You can bet that she was guaranteed a job by Obama when she loses in November.
What the Republicans need to remember is that they had their chance and you know what they did? NOTHING!!!!!! The controled both the house and the senate, and the white house. Didnt matter. They were too busy passing tax cuts for the rich in 2001 that raised the deficit by 1.2 TRILLION and then again in 2003 that raised the deficit by 349 BILLION, and the passed Medicare Drug that they didnt pay for and that raised the deficit by 394 BILLION.
So when Republicans Two faced lying politicians come out say they are worried about deficites THEY LIE.
So now its our turn to pass health reform since they did nothing. The difference is our bill is paid for. It also reduces the deficite by 1.2 Trillion over 20 years. I think thats a pretty good chunk of money.
My company is doing business in NV right now I'm going to have to move there for a few months, so I'm reading your editorials to get a feel for the area. I thought I have been making some good points. Country people are in better health than city people. If anything, each state should take care of it's own. An unhealthy state thus would pay higher premiums than say a state like UT or WY where the populous is in better health because they don't "party" as much as say NV or LA. In other words, why should healthy people (or states) have to pay for the poor decisions and lifestyles of the unhealthy?
Thank you Comrade Titus for proving once again that you hate Nevada and the United States.
BTW, the Constitution forbids the federal government from gaining too much control and taking over entire industries. This is a direct assault on the states sovereignty! This bill will either be over turned after the next election, found unconstitutional by the supreme court, or if those two things don't happen, states will succeed from the union and form their own Constitutional governments. Sovereignty. What a beautiful word.
Just made an online donation to the Titus campaign
typo, secede
I'm moving to VT or any state if it ever secedes from the US if they force this Health Care Reform down our throats and my ins premiums double (wealth distributions) or my taxes go way up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ne-R2rDi...
"Deemer" Titus is Hissstory!
GOOD-BYE fool you are a follower with no idea what you are voting on except to follow what your party tells you to do. You will be gone in November along with Harry. How about doing something for the state, you are clueless in Nevada. Once again BYE-BYE.
Let's require any GOPer challenger to announce in public on the campaign trail that he/she will REFUSE any and all "government insurance" for them and their family. Just say it. Refuse the gold-plated insurance that congresspeople get.
[BTW "mikedavidson" Vermont has a state-wide insurance plan. So, going there to "escape" socialism won't work. Somalia is a better choice-- no government there!].
Titus just realized that if she voted against the No. 1 Democratic policy that there was no reason for Democrats to vote for her.
People, try to use your brains. It's just like Gibbons saying business will go to other states if we raise taxes, even though our taxes will still be much lower. Moving to a higher tax state to "punish" us for [still] having lower taxes is crazy.
Most of the deniers already have GOVERMENT HEALTH INSURANCE, even Ensign and his mistress, her cockold, and kids. via COBRA. As does Gibbons, Heller, et al, and the GOPer candidates will sign up if elected so fast that the pen's ink will vaporize. They all know it's what they really want--for them, just not for us.
I think I might make another contribution to the Titus campaign before the vote on Sunday and then another one after the vote and one more when President Obama signs the bill
Such fools! There isn't a Titus supporter here that knows the real substance of this Bill. Blinded by "HOPE and CHAIN".
I'm sick of these welfare creeps saying they are going to make a contribution to Deemer's campaign. Hey idiot! You will not have anything left to contribute. Your taxes, if you pay them, are going to go through the roof. I don't think the welfare check you get will cover contributions to Deemer's campaign. You Deemer Drones who think you are fooling us with these promises of contributions are liars just like the democrats in congress. If you truly were going to contribute, keep your five bucks, you're gonna need it.
Oh no the sky is falling!
Well done Dina. You earned my vote today.
BarryS said:
"Vermont has a state-wide insurance plan. So, going there to "escape" socialism won't work. Somalia is a better choice-- no government there!"
I said that healthy states that are not over run with illegals and fatties should be able to offer some type of state universal health care plan if they so desire. Vermont is against big government. So am I. Vermont is against the so called "war of terror" and US foreign policy. So am I. Which brings up another question. How can any Dem call themselves "liberal", "socialists" or "progressives" and support the military actions (not officially wars) in the Middle East which clearly favor Israel? Obama is spending more on the war machine than Bush, is that now a liberal view or have the Isralies taken over the Dem party as well?
Take from the rich, give it to the poor. Time for the white people to step aside and let the minorities enjoy the good life. Isn't that what this is all about in the final analysis?
Wow mikedavidson, you ARE right out of the hills aren't you...
Problem with those idea is that you can't impoverish the rich without making the poor poorer. Rich people are the ones who own businesses that employ people. When there are no employers, there will be no employees. Rich people are the ones who buy tons of stuff and spend a ton of money eating out and vacationing, gambling etc. When Obama succeeds in making the rich poorer, look out below! And say a prayer for gandpa and grandma living off SSI. That agency will soon see reductions as prices skyrocket in the future. These things are inevitable consequences of Titus and her ilk's decision.
Actually Cheyenne, not exactly "the hills". Shucks, we even have TV and running water here!
What a disgrace to Nevada. Is there anyone with brains out there to see she is nothing but a carpetbagger/teabagger? She does not care about Nevadans never has and never will. Vote her out Nevadans. Put a rat in there, at least the rat will not know right from wrong. In all my 200+ years of following my country I have never seen so much garbage as I have seen from your elected officials Nevadans. They are the WORST.
Thank you Dina! But it looks like a lot of people who don't like your policy views and didn't vote for you in the first place are rather upset. Oh well.
Yeah, Great work Dina! Thanks to your vote, the US will become more divided than ever! Next election will be a doozie thanks to you, Dina.
"My company is doing business in NV right now I'm going to have to move there for a few months,...."
Whats the problem? Can't make a living in YOUR state so you have to come here and take money from our state, then complain about the people that live here.
Please do us a favor, stay away and keep your redneck ideals in Wyoming.
Before I leave, let me add one last thing. The USA used to be the last place on earth that I know of that gave it's citizens freedom. Freedom from oppressive taxes such as is the case in Europe where 60% of your income goes to the government. Freedom from injustices, such as cops that demand a bribe to make a ticket go away. Freedom from having to live in fear of the criminal element. This bill is the beginning of the end of those freedoms. In case you haven't noticed, the US is running an unsustainable debt. In other words, already the US will never be able to pay back what they owe, and that doesn't even factor in the future IOU's to the SSI and Medicare program that are 2-3 times more than our current national debt. Instead of doing something that will turn our economy around, Obama is pushing to increase taxes and increase the our national debt with the biggest financial burden in the history of this government! He also wants to double, triple the price of gas and electricity so that "people use less" to save us from the fraud that is global warming. That will also lead to more job loss, more debt, etc. Why do you think he's doing this? Think about it for a while then let me know what you think.
And the wailers continue to wail...
We even have a bonafide race-baiter on board!
& GW, old bean, you are surely joking, old man!
Carpetbagger? You might want to check your facts. Dina has been around these here parts for quite a spell now!
And I LOVE this gem;
"I was hoping you would listen carefully to the truth out there rather than all the Dem. gibberish and falsehoods, but, then again, you ARE a true Dem and that's what they/you do."
OH, puhleeeze! Is that for real???
poly, I'm in the mining industry. Your state still have some favorable tax rates for out of state companies to go in and make some money mining your precious metals and natural resources. You call it strip mining. I call it progress. You're probably a progressive, you should understand.
"You call it strip mining. I call it progress."
I guess you missed that whole debacle here about how the mining companies have raped this state for all these years, because they haven't had to pay fare taxes on their industry.
And BTW.... I'm a carpetbagger from Colorado, Where your industry has totally screwed over.... Come in and take everything, then leave a poisoned wasteland taking the money back to other countries and states.
I figured there was something about you that was deceitful.
First, I believe that the health care insurance industry does need to be reformed. However, for all of you thanking Dina Titus for her "yes" vote, do you know what all this Obama health care reform covers?
All these boneheads needed to do was work on tort reform and create a free market for health care insurance. I would also agree that some regulation is needed as no one should be turned down for coverage for a pre-existing condition. I suspect the reason the insurance company's do this is money. But let's face the facts, health insurance industry's profit is average 3 to 6 percent a year. That is not much of a profit. Now, we will pay for this new program, when it goes through, for a few years before anyone has access to it, and while medicare coverage will be cut. Yes THANK YOU DINA, YOU LOST THIS VOTE.
"as is the case in Europe where 60% of your income goes to the government...."
What kind of schools do you rednecks have out there? Can you not at least use the internet for research and actually get some facts before spewing your comments?
You are welcome to quote facts, but please don't just make em up.
anyone but titus in november...
A ton of gov regs have prevented my industry from being as profitable as it once was, but we're still doing okay.
BTW, give a tree a hug for me. I've never seen a tree I didn't want to cut down and help fulfill the measure of it's creation.
"But let's face the facts, health insurance industry's profit is average 3 to 6 percent a year."
Sweety, you are now the bonehead if you believe that! You get my vote for the most boneheaded statement on this forum.
Insurance is the largest MLM pyamid scam in the world. If they were only making 3 to 6% profit how is it they pay agents 110-120% of the first year premiums to sell the stuff?
How do they then afford to pay the CEO's and other top staff billions in bonuses and other benefits?
Profits at 10 of the country's largest publicly traded health insurance companies rose 428% from 2000 to 2007, all while indiviaduals paid more.
Hell, they pay lawyers more than that just to keep from paying for what they are supposed to cover!
I donno. I may be an ignorant red neck but I know that they have something called a VAT tax in Europe that's 20%. That means 20% on anything they buy. On top of the 40% taxes on the individual, a person is paying around, oh I don't know, 60% or so to their gov.
BTW, Obama favors a VAT tax in the USA. After HC passes, he'll need a VAT tax to pay for it. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...
I'm sure Dina will vote for that as well.
PS: Stupid is what stupid does. (or says in the case of anyone who tries to debate with me)
poly, what does this bill do to impoverish the ins companies? Does it institute a one payer system? No. It tells everyone they have to get insurance. Once passed, the ins companies will raise their rates because you see, in the US, companies are in business to make a profit. Once you tell those ins companies they will have to cover for those who can't afford ins, they will have to charge the working people more as in higher premiums to make up for the 30 million illegal aliens with 6 kids milking our welfare system.
Enjoy the higher rates coming your way. I don't have to worry, my company has me covered and they're making a mint with no end in sight as precious metals go up up and away! I feel sorry for the working people and despise the free loaders who will soon be on the receiving end of 'wealth distribution'.
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On top of that poly, good luck getting an operation if you're an old fart. As broke as this country is, you don't think they're going to ration services as they do in Canada and countries with socialized medicine? What about the doctors who say they're heading for Costa Rica and abroad? Who will want to get into medicine in the future if the gov is up in your business 100%? Maybe some illegals can be trained to give you service, I donno.
Do you know how many people will get laid off if the government mandates that the employers have to insure them? I think having a job with no insurance beats not having either. If they don't have a job then we'll be forced to pay for their health care and their food and shelter. Oh, everyone can be on the dole just like Europe!!
Thank you
Yikes, never thought of that angle Henderson. In some industries such as mine where people are making money hand over fist, there isn't a worry. However, in the hospitality industry, service industry, etc .... that is already bleeding ...yikes. Soon will be hemorrhaging.
Titus is voting for a bill that will cost Nevadans - and Americans - many, many, many jobs at a desperately bad time, historically speaking.
Caterpillar Corp. just announced that ObamaCare will cost their company +$100M per year in employee healthcare benefits. Wonder how many jobs that will devour?
Healthcare reform is necessary, no doubt. But this bill is going to do FAR more harm than good. Dina's just being a good little puppet, and doing what she's told to do.
mikedavidson,
Don't forget small shop owners that could afford a few part-timers. They will surely choose to do without the help instead of take on employees if they have to provide benefits.
Yeah, what's going on here? Doesn't Dina understand that? I know Obama and his Maoist staff has an agenda of "wealth distribution" and can care less if the mostly white, suburban middle class goes off a cliff into the ocean. We use common sense to figure things out where I come from. Come one. The economy is shedding jobs left and right and he wants to do something that is obviously going to force industry to shed more jobs? If he really wanted to do something to improve health care common sense suggests he'd take things issue by issue and pass the things that everyone agrees should be fixed. But that's obviously not what he wants. Only a moron would fail to understand that.
Here's some common sense. In Japan, they made the health care system "non profit" and then gave everyone free health care. They also allow alt health treatments, herbs, essential oils, whatever to be used along with traditional drugs, choice is up the patient.
A 'for profit' system of health suggests the sicker you are, the more money the corp shareholders make, so there's no real incentive in CURING disease, only managing it.
That's the main problem with our HC system. Will this fix that? No. It makes the corporations MORE powerful. The ins industry is going to make a killing, I should invest in some of their stock knowing this. The drug companies, same things. The gov will mandate that you use x pharma drug that causes more side effects than good and causes you to need drugs y and z. Cha ching!
Bush's, Clintons all sit on the BOD's of drug companies. I'm sure Obama will too someday. Titus? No. She'll be unemployed and nobody will hire her because they can't afford to pay her health insurance.
Mike, you sorta hit on something...the following is from wiki...
The Health care system in Japan is one of the best in the world. Japan provides healthcare services, including screening examinations for particular diseases at no direct cost to the patient, prenatal care, and infectious disease control, are provided by national and local governments. Payment for personal medical services is offered through a universal health care insurance system that provides relative equality of access, with fees set by a government committee. People without insurance through employers can participate in a national health insurance program administered by local governments. Patients are free to select physicians or facilities of their choice and cannot be denied coverage. Hospitals, by law must be run as non-profit and managed by physicians. For profit corporations are not allowed to own or operate hospitals.
Notice it is government run at no cost to the individual?
"Stupid is what stupid does. (or says in the case of anyone who tries to debate with me)"
Not only ignorance and false facts, but arrogant too!
Here are the real facts regarding taxes" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_a...
You'll notice none reach the 60% level with a VAT or sales tax.
And just for your education, Lack of a VAT is why we are no longer competitive in the global market for actual goods we try to export. Go to school and study world economics and then maybe you'll understand what a VAT actually is. Remember too, they do not have a sales tax on top, so you don't end up like the US with tax on tax on tax.
The money we spend on healthcare is not even considered a tax because it is spent directly with the criminals we call insurance companies. In the UK and Japan the tax rate includes your healthcare. What is so bad about that?
It seems all the healthcare systems in the world that are better than ours are government run systems.
Anybody that thinks we already have a great system needs to pull their head out and look around.
Yes, but the hospitals and clinic are non profit and the ins of course if run by the gov. Is that what Dina is going to give you, or is she making the for profit insurance companies richer?
Yes, and there are problems with the Japanese system, but it is still better than what we have.
The owner of my company is Dutch. He says he paid around 60% of his income to the gov when he lived in Europe. He says that all Europe is like that. I did some research when he told us that to try and disprove him, but I couldn't. He makes over 1M a year, and his tax rate plus the fact he bought nice cars, boats, houses with him income which means he paid a 20% tax on top of the 40 something percent tax on his income.
Do some more research and you'll discover the reason why Greece, Spain, and others are going belly up is that they have high unemployment, high taxes, and unions that won't budge on wages. Sound familiar? Their taxes are currently higher than ours, but that's all about to change.
Thank you Dina for standing up for the little guy!
Thank you Dina,
as for all the maniacs posting about how she is "finished", it seems to me that support is either evenly split or that there are more people in favor of passing this bill on this thread. Honestly, some of you out there should just keep your mouth shut and wait till the november election, we will see what happens then.
As long as America is a capitalist society, the companies will aways make more money than they should. If you really dislike the power the insurance companies wield then you should vote for real socialist reform, not this stuff our Republicans keep trying to scare us about.
Obama is no socialist! Not even close.
One last point on Japan.
What percentage of the population in Japan is a fatty vs the US? Any guess? My Japanese girlfriend says that she's never seen so many fat people in her life before visiting Las Vegas. She weighs about 95 so a 150 lb female is a fatty to her. Also, Japanese eat a lot of sea food and veggies and few highly refined foods. They're basically a healthy country, yet they spend a lot of their GNP on health insurance and their citizens pay much higher taxes than we do here. But they don't care. They're all basically on the same team. US is a fat, sick, mostly lazy hamburger and fries eating country (outside of the country) Plus our system if "for profit". I know, I know. Obama plans on trying to slip in the one payer system down the line. Will never happen. The politicians now in power won't allow it and I guarantee a major change is coming next election that will undo whatever he does anyway, if white America is as angry as I think they're going to be come November.
MS Titus
You said the your voting YES because you think it is best and a go starting point.
Would it not be better to just start over and get the Republicans involved when you start over. Going in step to fix the Health Care program.
Will you also tell use what you are getting to vote yes. Since you are so up front and thinking hard about your district's people. I hope you are ready to come back and live full time in NV returning to your former career field before your last election because so would be better off just to change your mind and not run for reelection for Nov. don't expect to Win reelection after this you have help destroy the America you grow up in.
"He says he paid around 60% of his income to the gov when he lived in Europe."
Well, in the Netherlands, actually it was 60% in 1990 (actually got to as high as 72%) but was changed to 52%. The brackets are now 2.35%, 10.85%, 42% and 52%. The first two brackets also contains the Social Security payments (contributions to schemes like AOW, ANW and AWBZ), making it effectively 33.5%, 42%, 42% and 52%.
He was obviously in the top tax bracket so I wouldn't feel sorry for him. I guess it is very profitsable to rape and pillage the lands of others.
"Obama is no socialist! Not even close" Bingo! He's a Zionist NWO elite! You know, the ones that gave us Russia? Those people? He's all for wars without end. He's all for making the multi-national corporations more powerful. He's all for ending our "racist" way of government and helping the "neglected and held down" become equal with the white people who founded and created this country.
I'd support a true social health care system such as the one I've seen for myself in Japan IF like in Japan mostly everyone eats a ton of veggies and fish and uses alt health teas and herbs. But are you kidding? Try and give everyone an equal shot at the allocated number of hip replacement, heart surgeries, etc in the future (only so many to go around) when this person spent their entire life doing drug, smoking, and eating junk food and this other person did everything right? No thanks.
Mike, I totally agree with you about fat people in Vegas!
Americans have become so conditioned by the capitalist corporate machine they can't even think for themselves.
Fat might just be an unintended by-product of capitalism. Watch what happens to the Japanese and Chinese people as capitalism takes over.
BTW, Japans tax rate is almost identicle to ours, except they get healthcare included with their taxes.
Dina Titus = Part of the Problem. How can Anybody have their name associated with this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Brh-hGr8m...
Just another Pelosi Puppet..
Ed Bridges for Congress 2010.
We need representatives with Values... not career politicians.
http://www.edbridgesfornevada.com/
THANK YOU DINA! ANOTHER GREAT DEMOCRAT!
From Americablog:
If health-care reform finally staggers across the finish line, it will be because President Obama and congressional Democrats recognized -- at long last -- the truth that has been staring them in the face for more than a year: They'll be better off politically if they just try their best to do the right thing.
No matter what the Democrats attempt or how they go about it, Republicans are going to complain, obstruct and attack. That's the inescapable lesson from this whole exercise, and it's hard to fathom why it took so long to sink in. The Democrats looked ridiculous, sitting around the campfire and singing "Kumbaya" while the opposition was out in the forest whittling spears and arrows.
You have to admire the GOP's chutzpah. George W. Bush governed like a steamroller as he enacted his radical initiatives -- massive tax cuts, a huge shift in the balance between privacy and security, an unprecedented "big government" takeover of education policy, an expensive and unfunded Medicare prescription drug program.
But the moment the Republicans were out of power, they discovered a moral imperative for the majority party to do everything in a bipartisan fashion.
Stuart & Robert Wyman-Cahall
Las Vegas, NV 89142
Thanks for posting that.
Spot on!
You lost our votes with your foolish decision.
"Would it not be better to just start over and get the Republicans involved when you start over. Going in step to fix the Health Care program."
The Republicans don't want to be involved. They are the party of NO.
"Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays instead of serving you if he sacrifices it to your opinion." --Edmund Burke
Well done, Rep. Titus. Looking forward to voting for you again in November.
I am a capitalist yet on this issue, I side with the Democrats. Health Care in my opinion falls into a special category and needs to be dealt with immediately. No one should go bankrupt or deal with physical pain and suffering because they have no access.
It is all too easy to criticize this imperfect plan for those who have health care but remember "bad luck" can happen to anyone ! Don't think that misfortune will never strike you or your family because one never knows.
I do believe it will cost more than CBO states and if it does, it is money well spent. Moreover, in the long run we will be glad when it passes because WE will all benefit directly or indirectly.
Rep. Titus is doing the honorable thing.
This Country's economy is on the verge of Bankruptcy and representatives such as Titus are supporting LIES.
READ THIS:
http://www.minnpost.com/businessagenda/2...
The Massachusetts Health care system that this is being modeled after is BANKRUPT without the Billions of Federal Taxpayer Dollars of Aid currently being pumped into the state.
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/ma...
This is what you want for the entire country?
WAKE UP!!
These are the same People that gave Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac the Green Light to destroy Americans with Cheap and Easy loans that inflated the Housing Market -- and Bankrupted millions.
CAREER POLITICIANS DO NOT HAVE YOUR BEST INTEREST IN MIND. They only CARE for THEMSELVES.
VOTE TITUS OUT 2010 for Supporting LIES.
For Chrissakes, there are 32 million people that think they are w/o health care. There are 280 million people that do have coverage and they have the receipts of their payments to the insurance company to prove it. You want to inconvenience 90 percent of the population so that 10 percent can be covered and they are already covered. The only reason that ghetto hustler Obama wants this bill passed is so that he can get re-elected so he and his thieving friends can steal more money. I am not voting for Titus,Berkzerkly, Reid or any other fool that thinks this bill makes sense.
What about tort reform. I see no mention of tort reform in that bill. Do you know why? because that ghetto hustler is a lawyer and they stick together on that account.
Health care reform is a priority but this bill is not even close to "reform"
A friend of mine in Canada said they have been watching what is going on down here trying to figure out what we are thinking about.
His comment:
If you think healthcare is expensive now wait until it's free.
Despite the overwhelming lack of support for the health care bill Dina Titus has decided to resign. She apparently has a disgust for the ordinary American, the constitution or American history. She cannot read either.
The American people have resoundingly rejected the notion of Socialized medicine many times in the last century, and we have rejected it in no uncertain terms. The democrats have shown their disdain for the American people by wanting to cut heath care for seniors and others at risk in this country. We will now have longer waits, fewer needed tests, more misdiagnosed patients and poorer outcomes. Vitamins are going to be controlled by prescription. Taxes will necessarily be raised and the system will collapse under it's own weight. Cloward and Priven anyone?
Titus has shown the true independence embodied by Nevadans welfare masters. They have cut medical reimbursement and doctors who can make livings in other ways will QUIT treating people. Anybody willing to go into medicine must have an understanding that they will become slaves to this system. And you thought slavery was dead in this country.
People from around the world come here for treatment, they do not go to Canada, England, Cuba, Russia, Venezuela, North Korea, or China. Why is that? Dina Titus and her ILK have with this vote degraded the health care system in this country to third world status.
I for one am glad she has decided to retire, never to see public service again.
I am 70 and have been a registered Democrat for most of my life be that as it is I am going to register as an Independant and vote against anyone that suports this Health Care Bill. The Democrats and the Republicans are busy passing legislation that is destroying private business. This Health Care will eventually destroy many insurers and health insurance companies and the governmnet will have control of both. Increased and mandatory health insurance will harm business and cause more unemployment. The Cap and Trade taxes will cause more inflation and it is said that it will cost the average family over two thousand dollars a year. All the Democrats and the Republicans know is deficit spending. While the Republicans talk about lowering taxes they are as crazy about spending as the Democrats. There has to be a time when the people draw a line and say no more taxes and I think the time is now. If we let government continue to raise taxes we have no one to blame but ourselves. Our elected representatives have not done their jobs and are living like Kings and Queens while the workers are getting their wages and hours cut. Government workers do not deserve and should not be paid more than the medium wages paid to those that work in private industry. "First do no harm" is not the motto of our government.
This is the largest tax bill in history," the Republican leader fumed. The reform "is unjust, unworkable, stupidly drafted and wastefully financed."
And that wasn't all. This "cruel hoax," he said, this "folly" of "bungling and waste," compared poorly to the "much less expensive" and "practical measures" favored by the Republicans.
"We must repeal," the GOP leader argued. "The Republican Party is pledged to do this."
That was Republican presidential nominee Alf Landon in a September 1936 campaign speech. He based his bid for the White House on repealing Social Security.
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Dana Milbank, today's wapo
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If the rethugs had any balls they would do a two-for-one scenario and try to repeal both HCR and SSA. They still hate SS as much today as they did in 1936 when Alfie was brutally stomped by a wheelchair-bound FDR.
FYI...stockbroker.....you do know that they are raising taxes on you in this bill....directly...right????
Most likely Titus will be teaching at UNVL this time next year.
You just gotta love the bloggers that start with "I was a life long democrat but no longer" and then repeat FOX news talking points and ramblings from Glen Beck's chalk board. Yea right, we believe you and for that matter when you call us names we look deep into our hearts and understand that seat belts and clean water are really an affront to God's word and then we are ready to support the party of no, whatever.
Oh and I think I need to contribute to the Titus campaign again today, the day before the YES vote on healthcare reform that will help my business and my family's future.
History will show that Rep. Titus was on the right side. Just as the Democrats have been on the right side in the past with Social Security and Medicare.
Calthompian:
We have tort reform in this state. Have our medical costs and premiums gone down? Not even a little bit. Oh, but people who have been egregiously harmed by physicians really get screwed a second time because they can't make the physician pay for the harm they have done.
I hate dealing with insurance companies!
"What about tort reform."
Tort reform is the last nail in the coffin for peoples rights! There will be none left after the Republicans get thier way on that issue.
The courts just gave corporations political power by taking limits off what they can spend on politicians, now you want to take away the power the little people have against the corporate monster?!
And you are the same people worried that Healthcare takes away freedoms and liberty? Rediculous.
"but people who have been egregiously harmed by physicians really get screwed a second time because they can't make the physician pay for the harm they have done"
Tort reform has nothing to do with Physicians.... It is about controlling big insurance companies. They just make you afraid it is about your Doctor, because you can put a face on your doctor.
Put a face on AIG or Blue Cross, then think of tort reform. The picture in my head looks like B-Movie Creature from the black lagoon.
Big Insurance hates this bill.
That alone should tell you all you need to know.
I think it is amusing that the Democrats are going to use the same process to sneak this through that they were against when the Republicans had the power. I also think it is interesting that the Democrats, and their supporters, have such a hard time coming up with valid arguements that they have to start name calling..."Rethugs", etc. But, who are really the thugs, the bullies in power that are not following the wishes of the American people. ("Rethugs" made more sense when the Republicans controlled Congress and the Presidency).
Keep in mind, until I saw the dirty tactics and hypocrisy of the Democrats, I considered myself one of them. I am re-registering Republican.
"register as an Independant"
How do you do that? I have been an Independent voter all my voting life and never knew I could register.
What a concept. Do we have a convention too?
@ ShannonK
Please explain what tort reform is.
Yo Dina and Harry: See you at the unemployment office soon !! lmao !!!
"Please explain what tort reform is."
Calthompian, Maybe you could explain it, you seem to think it will help the situation.
I think most of the folks yelling for Tort Reform don't even know the consiquences of it on the average person. I thought republicans were for freedom and liberty for all? Tort reform would certainly end that concept!
Apparently reading and comprehension are not required for members of congress. All you have to do is follow the lead Lemming to the sea. I wonder if she ever comsidered putting herself into the plan???? Just a sane question asked of an insane representative.
I do not know why anyone is surprised.
She is a freshman Democrat. She will do what she is told by the campaign donators. Like most politicians do.
After this health care plan is rammed through.
I hope most people will realize that almost all politicians, are only interested in getting re-elected.
So if you want things to change & have them work for us the people. Quit re-electing them.
Make a statement to all the politicians. We put you in & we can take you out!
"Tort Reform" is simply another way for corporations to quash competition.
Because that is what corporations do: they spend millions to lie, LITIGATE and lobby congress to liberalize campaign finance and advertising laws weaken or stop environmental laws, weaken unions, deregulate industries, privatize war, promote NAFTA, WTO etc, and of course now they are clamoring for "tort reform".
When, in fact, Litigation is the common persons last measure of "equality" with the corporations, and let's be honest it is usually a David Vs. Goliath situation when a common person sues a corporation - and they want to further tilt the balance in their favor.
Corporations don't like competition; they try to kill it.
Calthompian:
Please explain how exactly tort reform is supposed to lower health care costs. Thanks.
Hello Americans,
I am extremely pleased in advance that you will pass tort reform immediately!
Thank so much, tebaggers,
Dr. Desai
Nice post Okra, and for those of you somehow unaware of Dr. Desai:
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/dec...
Angela Braly, the CEO of Wellpoint, called for health care reform at a meeting in Indianapolis.
One of them most powerful women in the nation is calling for health care reform. Wellpoint CEO Angela Braly says she supports guaranteed coverage for everyone - as long as everyone gets and stays covered [...]
Braly says the what worries her most about the plan currently under consideration is the "public option."
She's not the only CEO of an insurance company to support Obama's plan. And why wouldn't they" No down side, all up side. Everyone will need their service, 30M new customers. What about those who can't afford it? They'll face fines or jail time if they're working. Obama wants the 20 somethings currently spending their disposable income on dating to spend it on an insurance policy they'll never need or use in their youth.
Next election is going to be interesting. Obama rampping up the war efforts, didn't close gitmo and continued to torture innocent people, agreeing to keep the Patriot Act in effect, and now helping big multi-national ins. corp's to become even more powerful, raising taxes and starting new taxes (VAT Tax)..... it's going to get ugly out there!
BTW, the insurance companies say that our premiums are going to double by 2019 if the insurance companies are going to stay profitable, a you bet your back side they will remain profitable!
Thank god for "blue dog" dems, eh? And thank god next election will bring real "change" we can believe in.
Right now
Women between 55 and 64 lose their coverage when older husbands retire and move from employer-based coverage to Medicare.
In the past 6 months, the number of women losing health insurance as a result of their own job loss has increased by 45%.
2+ million women have lost their health insurance since the recession began due to their own or spouse's job loss
THANK YOU DINA.
Dina will be re-elected for doing what's best
for the average American.
Greedy republicans already have theirs.
We'll keep these right-wing crooks out of power.
The talk radio nutbars are melting down. Thinly veiled threats of violence emanated from a local hate-radio station this Saturday as one Teabag said: "I'm going jack-rabbit hunting in Searchlight." I hope the FBI and FCC was monitoring the broadcast.
A good thing they are all (mostly) hot air. Mainly sad, confused old people and angry cowards.
"Mainly sad, confused old people and angry cowards"
What is even worse is the new Bill will probably be better for most of them, they just believe all the lies that the Insurance Companies have told them with the fancy high dollar commercials.
They are angry about things getting better.
RSN,
If you think job loss is bad now wait and see what happens when the gov tells the business owners they must offer insurance for their employees. What do you think is going to happen, especially if they're on they're barely making ends meet now?
Look people. In a perfect world, we want to feed everyone, protect everyone, and house everyone. Life isn't fair. In Africa, kids die of malnutrition every day. In Palestine, babies die in their beds as Israeli tanks bulldoze their homes. In our own country, people who fought for our country now find themselves sleeping on the streets at night. (you get the idea) The USA can't feed the world, house the world, or save the world WITHOUT impoverishing it's citizens. Oh, I forgot. That's what this is all about, isn't it. Okay then, just be up front with everyone and tell us that it's time for those on top to step aside and allow someone else to have a chance. Just tell us that economic equality is the future, no more hoarding wealth or aspiring to become "rich". I wonder if the Hollywood types will gladly live in 800 sq ft apts as they do in China and Russia? I doubt it.
As long as they allow me to keep a few acres of Gods country, they can do whatever they want. A country boy can survive. City folk? We'll see.
"wait and see what happens when the gov tells the business owners they must offer insurance for their employees. "
A few facts about the bill... (instead of the fearmongering)
Businesses are not required to offer coverage. Instead, employers are hit with a fee if the government subsidizes their workers' coverage. The $2,000-per-employee fee would be assessed on the company's entire work force, minus an allowance. Companies with 50 or fewer workers are exempt from the requirement.
Small businesses, the self-employed and the uninsured could pick a plan offered through new state-based purchasing pools called exchanges, opening for business in 2014. The exchanges would offer the same kind of purchasing power that employees of big companies benefit from. People working for medium-to-large firms would not see major changes. But if they lose their jobs or strike out on their own, they may be eligible for subsidized coverage through the exchange.
Personally I look forward to it...Doesn't look bad at all.
There is no government-run insurance plan. People purchasing coverage through the new insurance exchanges would have the option of signing up for national plans overseen by the federal office that manages the health plans available to members of Congress. Those plans would be private, but one would have to be nonprofit.
The legislation incorporates an increase in payments to primary care physicians under Medicaid.
Thanks, poly, for posting some facts. Sadly, the opposition doesn't need such inconveniences as facts. As soon as you debunk one lie, they just invent the next one. They're like the Energizer Bunny that way.
When asked to contribute (remember the summit last month?) the Republicans wanted to hire investigators to pose as patients and search for fraud at hospitals and increase spending for medical malpractice reform initiatives, ie "tort reform".
Good thing that part was left out.
Starting this year, insurers would be forbidden from placing lifetime dollar limits on policies, from denying coverage to children because of pre-existing conditions, and from canceling policies because someone gets sick.
A new high-risk pool would offer coverage to uninsured people with medical problems until 2014, when the coverage expansion goes into high gear.
Major consumer safeguards would also take effect in 2014. Insurers would be prohibited from denying coverage to people with medical problems or charging them more. Insurers could not charge women more.
Scales back a Senate-passed tax on high-cost insurance plans that was opposed by House Democrats and labor unions. The tax would be delayed until 2018, and the thresholds at which it is imposed would be $10,200 for individuals and $27,500 for families.
To make up for the lost revenue, the bill applies an increased Medicare payroll tax to investment income as well as wages for individuals making more than $200,000, or married couples above $250,000. The tax on investment income would be 3.8 percent.
No health plan would be required to offer coverage for abortion. In plans that do cover abortion, policyholders would have to pay for it separately, and that money would have to be kept in a separate account from taxpayer money. States could ban abortion coverage in plans offered through the exchange. Exceptions would be made for cases of rape, incest and danger to the life of the mother.
Aid is available on a sliding scale for households making up to four times the federal poverty level, $88,200 for a family of four.
Premiums for a family of four making $44,000 would be capped at around 6 percent of income or $220 per month! Sure beats the $800+ per month they want now.
It gradually closes the "doughnut hole" coverage gap in the Medicare prescription drug benefit that seniors fall into once they have spent $2,830.
Seniors who hit the gap this year will receive a $250 rebate.
Beginning in 2011, seniors in the gap receive a discount on brand name drugs, initially 50 percent off.
When the gap is completely eliminated in 2020, seniors will still be responsible for 25 percent of the cost of their medications until Medicare's catastrophic coverage kicks in.
"Republicans who almost universally oppose the health care reform have pledged to make health care a top issue in their campaigns."
I seem to remember hearing something like that before....
"Health Care is a bad thing. We Republicans need to make sure only the proper people have medical care. It would be perfect if all the poor people (Democrats) were unable to get health care and just died. Then only we, the elite, would survive and rule on Gods green Earth."
Rush
Bottom line, the insurance companies say premiums will double over the next 9 years. This as a result of adding 30 MILLION dead beats to the system. Someone is going to have to pay for that, and it's going to be the policy holders AND the taxpayers, ie everyone except the illegals and dead beats. Nobody wants to address this issue because it's true and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
That's okay though. Keep clicking your heels and believing things are going to be okay. Keep believing the recession is over. Keep believing your RE values are coming back. It doesn't matter what you believe. The fact is when you put someone's teeth on the sidewalk and apply a solid kick to the back of their head they don't tend to recover quickly. That is exactly the effect this bill will have on our already bankrupt economy. Unsustainable comes to mind.
You mean Rush didn't (death panels, health care rationing, bureaucrats deciding who lives and who dies) say that?
Darn, my mistake. But at least I can admit it.
:)
Poly6006 hit the nail on the head.
NON-PROFIT!
Insurance companies hate that. How are they supposed to compete with someone that's more interested in their customers than the bottom line?
With billions of dollars (Yes, Billions with a B) at stake, insurance companies will do whatever it takes to keep their profits and their bonuses.
Insurance companies aren't evil, they just want money and are willing to stomp on anyone it takes to get it. How much money is enough?
All of it.
Fact (not hysterical conjecture):
My group policy went up by almost 100% over the last ten years, and nobody did a damn thing about it.
Next lie in 3 2 1...
All 4 of my adult children can now stay on my teamster insurance policy until the are 26 years old and it will not cost them adime
thank you Obama and temsters.
your great
Or mikedavidson you could move to a different country all together. Like Canada... no, they have Universal Health care. How about England? Nope they have Universal Health care too. France? Darn, they have it there too. Spain, South America, Cuba? Darn them, they have Universal Health care there too. Ok, how about China? Crap, the whole world seems to be crawling with Universal Health care.
Well, at least there are a few countries in South Africa that are free of any kind of health care at all that you would be welcome to move to.
And there's always the North Pole. Oh wait... Santa has Universal Health care for all his elves.
I hear the south pole is nice this time of year.
Premiums doubling in only 9 years? Wow, most HR departments I know would love it if it took that long. Most have seen premiums double in the last two to three years.
What the tea-bagers are the most afraid of is that the Health Care Reform DOES work the way it's supposed to. Then they, and all the talk-radio nut jobs, will be seen as lairs or idiots... or both.
They are more afraid of being wrong than doing the right thing for other people or the United States.
I applaud Rep. Titus for wanting to do the right thing.
Teamsters now have all of the money to take care of the family and you no voter can pay for it all
go teamster and Obama
Hmmm Vegas71. Reading your past posts, if you ever were a Democrat as you say you were, you must have been full of self-loathing.
4healthcare.....
Right-On, brother.
I just have one simple question.
Where is all the money coming from to pay for this reform?
Oh wait. I know. Bernanke is going to crank up the printing presses some more.
So our money is going to be worth less and less in buying power.
That will take care of the problem RIGHT?
Thank you Congresswoman Titus! You are voting for what America wanted and desperately needs. . . Change! You are wonderful and I feel blessed that you are representing us. Thank you again for the vote for health care reform, now if we could get a true public option . . . :) Maybe next go around! Heidi B.
There are 535 politicians in Washington DC that wouldn't know the right thing to do if it bit them on the @$$.
Well Titus, Berkley and Reid are gone. When over 65% of Americans say no to THIS health care reform and they and others do not listen then they are out. It is not their decision whether to say yes or no it is our decision and we decided no. They by law, should take OUR decision and vote the way WE the people want it done. It doesn't matter if you are a Dem or Rep if you do not listen to WE THE PEOPLE, then you will be voted out. And for all of you that say we don't want health care reform, then you also have not been listening to WE THE PEOPLE, WE DO WANT health care reform just not what they are thrusting down our throats!! We are setting up OUR country for failure. Once that bill is past the rich will never pay for this, we the people will by paying higher prices for the big companies products. If it will cost Caterpillar. $100 M more for employee's insurance then they will raise the price of their machines which in turn will raise the prices of the companies who buy the machines. So now for instance that house built by the machines has risen in price. Or the farmer who plants his crops, all companies will be raising their prices and then we the tax payers will be paying for the big or small companies insurance not them. And the government will hire 16,500 new IRS agents to monitor us to make sure we buy insurance that is acceptable to the government. How are they going to monitor us? Bank accounts, credit reports, what? . Next is amenesty for the illegals per Obama. Thats just great. Think about it people!
>>Wherehasmycountrygone.<<
Finally someone who posted something that makes sense.
Instead of all the cheerleading. I do not care if you are Dem. or Rep. We are all Americans.
So why can we not do this thing right.
What is the almighty Rush !!!
I ask again. Where is all the money coming from to pay for this health reform.
Yes we need reform. But not at the cost of Bankrupting our country.
If you believe this bill will reduce the deficit.
I ask you. When has the goverment ever done anything, that did not end up costing billions more than they said it would?
If you think this will be any different.
I have a bridge for sale, I would like to talk to you about.
The money is coming from a combination of new tax increases and cuts to medicare.
They can say they are reducing the deficit all they want but this will be the largest beaurocracy in the history of government. Our government is basically handing us over to the IRS so they can exert even more power and control over our lives. I can't wait to hear you freeloaders crying over your new IRS fines because you're too lazy to go purchase your health insurance.
Wherehasmycountrygone, didn't I just read this EXACT post in response to a different story? Isn't Cut-and-Paste a wonderful thing? You're nothing more then one of the shills of the AM nut-jobs that are being paid by the insurance companies to scare the hell out of people.
My turn to use cut-and-paste...
"In U.S., 45% Favor, 48% Oppose Obama Healthcare Plan". This is from yesterday's Gallup poll. It seems like the gap is closing fast.
And Tastychap... "What is the almighty Rush !!!"
Even when he downs his handful of Viagra, the ladies still don't refer to Rush as "almighty".
I often cut and paste remarks when the topic is similar and relevant. There's no shame in that, it is less time consuming that retyping them.
Republicans had their chance to do something. Even last month when asked what they would do, they can only come up with tort reform, which is the last thing we need and some rediculous idea of putting spies into our lives.
I am tired of pandering to the wealthy and big corporations.
I read the bill and frankly it looks pretty good for the majority middle class and small business.
Most of the naysayers don't even know what they are voting against. Just going along with folks that have been telling them what they want to hear. Not the truth.
The truth is this is not such a bad thing and it is needed.
Notice the only Dems voting against it are doing so because they live in ignorant states and cant get their constuants to listen to anything but Rush and Fox. And that is ok because their are enough common sense folks that will support the majority and keep the positive change happening.
Vote freedom and liberty! Vote Yes!
Sure, if freedom and liberty means 16,500 more IRS auditors snooping into your life, fining you for non-compliance, or insufficient compliance, and withholding you tax refunds and EIC's because you're too lazy to get your health insurance.
Henderson, I guess you know this because you are too lazy to actually read the bill. Obviously you havent read it and are listening to Rush numbnuts.
Get off your lazy ass and go read it. Then you can speak with facts instead of the usual Republican fear mongering.
Funny, I have not heard anything positive from a republican about anything, ever! As long as you guys keep talking doom and gloom, you will keep seeing doom and gloom. I feel sad for your life. Please stop screwing with mine.
Funny, I read the bill and saw nothing about adding 16,500 new agents. Maybe you could show me that obsure fact?
I guess 16,500 new jobs are better than the Republican plan. Oh, I forgot, the Republicans don't have a plan. DUH!
"I guess 16,500 new jobs are better than the Republican plan. "
Welcome to the wonderful world of lib koolaid thinking.
16,500 new IRS is a beautiful thing in their eyes.
Democrats are the party of BIG BIG brother, BIG BIG deficits, BIG BIG taxes and BIG BIG government.
And they ain't going to be happy until they suck every single drop of blood out of the American economy.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinio...
Says they'll need to hire 16.5K more IRS agents to enforce Obamacare. Looks like the SS is about to get even stronger!
Poly6006:
"Vote freedom and liberty! Vote Yes!" Really?
If you don't buy bHo's health insurance the only right you will have is the right to remain silent. Some freedom. This bill destroys choice. Just go and price some insurance from Massachusetts. It's alot more expensive and the choices are few than what I priced for myself and family here in Vegas.
bHo thanks you for your uninformed vote and blind allegiance.
And quit lying about reading the bill. Jeez, even the morons who voted for admit they didn't even have time to read it.
A special thanks goes to the wretched scum Titus for voting for this monstrosity.
With Dina's help, America is taking one hesitant half-step to catch up with the rest of the developed world.
"WASHINGTON, Jan 8 (Reuters) - France, Japan and Australia rated best and the United States worst in new rankings focusing on preventable deaths due to treatable conditions in 19 leading industrialized nations, researchers said on Tuesday."
Next up, single payer universal healthcare. Will the pro-waterboarders squeal about that being an assault on American values?
Thank you Congresswoman Titus! Making our state & country better!
- Mark Szczygiel
Here is your answer poly6006:
Rep. Kevin Brady, R-Texas. The Joint Economic Committee and the House Ways & Means Committee minority staff estimates up to 16,500 new IRS personnel will be needed to collect, examine and audit new tax information mandated on families and small businesses.
So... the guys that have been saying we are going to have "Death Panels" are now saying we need to add up to (stress up to) 16,500 new IRS agents, but this is only an estimate, their not sure. It could be 16.500 or it could be 10, their just not sure. Their break down of the numbers comes from an Anti-Tax group that hate the IRS anyway.
Ya know guys... I bet they can get more work done with those new thingamajigs called "Computers", so I'm thinking the number may be a lot closer to the 10 side then the 16,500.
"This bill destroys choice. Just go and price some insurance from Massachusetts. It's alot more expensive and the choices are few than what I priced for myself and family here in Vegas."
Actually this bill expands choice. If you read it, and I assure you I did, you will see that small businesses, the self-employed and the uninsured could pick a plan offered through new state-based purchasing pools called exchanges, opening in 2014. The exchanges would offer the same kind of purchasing power that employees of big companies benefit from. People working for medium-to-large firms would not see major changes. But if they lose their jobs or strike out on their own, they would be eligible for subsidized coverage through the exchange.
There are other reasons this bill is much better than what we have now, but it is useless to take the time to write it... As the naysayers have made up there mind and dont listen to facts, even when put in front of them.
This is a very sad sad day, but come November when Harry & Dina are gone it will be a great day......
Anyone running against Dina Titus can could on me working for them during their campaign. This lady is a complete fool.