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Residents hold hands and pray at an immigration reform vigil in 2010 in protest of Arizona’s new immigration law.
Wednesday, April 28, 2010 | 11:43 p.m.
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- Harry Reid calls for border security before legalization (4-28-10)
- Gibbons sends letter to Obama on immigration reform (4-27-10)
- Group plans Arizona boycott, criticizes new immigration law (4-26-10)
- Gibbons demands Obama take action on immigration (4-26-10)
- Arizona governor signs immigration enforcement bill (4-23-10)
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A group of about 30 people attended a candlelight vigil Wednesday night in front of the Las Vegas field office of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security to protest Arizona’s new immigration law.
A bill signed by Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer makes it a crime under state law to be in the U.S. illegally and requires police to question people about their immigrant status if they suspect they are here illegally. The bill goes into effect 90 days after the current legislative session ends in the next couple weeks.
Members of Reform Immigration for America and the Service Employees International Union participated in the vigil. Michael Flores, state director of Reform Immigration for America, led the vigil and said more people wanted to attend but were afraid.
At a press conference Monday, Flores said the Arizona law will deter illegal immigrants from seeking citizenship for fear that they might be deported.
“The Civil Rights movement didn’t happen overnight,” Flores said. “The reason why the Civil Rights movement and the tearing down of the Berlin Wall were so successful was because people sacrificed.”
Those in attendance Wednesday night wore T-shirts and held signs advocating immigration reform.
“America’s strength is in its diversity,” said Cheryl Bunch, 54, a resident of Las Vegas.
Earlier on Wednesday, Ira Mehlman, spokesman for Federation for American Immigration Reform and an advocate of the Arizona law, said the measure is controversial because it is carrying out duties the federal government has failed to do.
He said Arizona’s action “ought to provide some emphasis for the federal government to do its job.”
Illegal immigrants who agree to work for lower wages and enroll their children in public schools affect the lives of U.S. citizens, he said. Most of the people protesting the bill want amnesty, Mehlman said.
At the rally, Victor Espinoza, 50, said the bill targets anyone who is not white. “This is a racist law and we need to fight,” Espinoza said. “This is a time for unity; we must work together, because we have a common enemy.”
Fernando Romero said no one should have to walk around with a passport and birth certificate in their pocket everyday. “This is ludicrous and we shouldn’t allow this to happen,” he said.
SEIU President Al Martinez said the bill is unjust and will tear families apart.
Flores said Reform Immigration for America is asking for the passage of the Comprehensive Immigration Reform for America’s Security and Prosperity Act, which would place stricter sanctions on employers who hire illegal immigrants and encourage illegal immigrants to register for citizenship.
Gov. Jim Gibbons sent a letter to President Barack Obama on Monday asking for the enforcement of federal immigration laws because illegal immigrants are crossing the border and committing violent crimes.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid responded, saying Republicans have blocked attempts by Democrats to reform immigration.
But Mehlman said other states, such as California and Texas, might implement an immigration law similar to Arizona’s. “Other states will take a look at it, but not one size fits all,” Mehlman said.
Mehlman said half of the U.S.’s illegal immigrants enter the country through Arizona.
“Phoenix is the kidnapping capital of the U.S.,” he said. “It’s no question that an open border attracted criminal activity.”
Flores said on Monday that Nevada politicians and candidates who are in favor of the law should rethink their positions.
“We’re putting a call out to all of these elected officials that if you do pursue this legislation, you will not be elected or re-elected,” Flores said.
Reform Immigration for America has scheduled a march for Saturday in Las Vegas to protest the Arizona law. It will begin at 4:30 p.m. at the Commercial Center, 953 E. Sahara Ave., and end at the Lloyd D. George Federal Courthouse.
If only Nevada would do the same thing and stop this third world disaster!
Yes collect and return all illegal aliens,they are killing our country.
Personally, on my trips to Vegas, I wish ICE would sweep the illegal porn card handlers off of the Strip.
What a waste of time. It must be nice to be able to protest something like this. If these people took as much time and effort to read the law passed and signed by the State of AZ. They might realize that that it takes the power of the federal gov and makes the state responsible for it. All that they are doing is enforcing the current federal laws on the books and do not all federal laws superseed state laws anyway. The time would be much better spent trying to help the 13% plus people out of work here than protesting a law that just needs to be enforced.
This is what happens to illegal immigrants caught in Mexico' And you think America is tough check this out. www.citizensforaconstitutionalrepublic.c...
Sorry it's this one.
http://www.citizensforaconstitutionalrep...
300 ILLEGAL ALIENS FIRED.........HUNDREDS APPLY TO TAKR THEIR JOBS!
http://www.azfamily.com/news/Hundreds-se...
WHAT YOU CAN DO TO STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. YOU can make a difference! START HERE: http://www.fairus.org/site/PageNavigator...
Throw ALL Illegal aliens out of Nevada NOW!! Arizona is on the right track! We want our country back!!
How many of you are originally from this land..?? Most of you are decendents from European ancestors. Those ancestors imprisoned the Original Settlers of this land you call your own now.
Quit your whining.
What's the monthly dialysis bill for illegals up to now? Good thing we have the money.
How many of you are originally from this land..?? Most of you are decendents from European ancestors. Those ancestors imprisoned the Original Settlers of this land you call your own now.
Quit your whining.
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I am originally from this land, born in Kansas City Missouri, so you quit whining.
I wonder how many of you anti-immigrants, or simply anti-Mexican legal or not, would be here today if the same type of people, as you are, had gotten their way and banned your ancestors from migrating here? Especially the Catholics from Eastern and Southern Europe who the natavists really wanted to keep out because they were considered black and members of the "POPES" Army. How do many of you know that you are not products of "Anchor Babies"? Simply how do you people know if your ancestors came here "LEAGALLY"?
Appparently these morons don't understand the meaning of illegal. There is also a federal law very similar to this one but not enforced. Soooo what's their problem????? Try stupid is as stupid does.
First, President Herbert Hoover, during the great depression, ordered the deportation of all illegal aliens in order to make jobs available to American citizens that desperately needed work. My question is, why would you have to make an exception to "business as usual" to enforce the law?
Read more: http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-02-20/...
Next, the greatly respected President Harry Truman deported over two million illegal aliens after World War II to create jobs for returning veterans. Were they allowed in because of a workforce shortage during WWII? I suppose that could be a reason they were here.
Finally and most recently, beginning in 1954, the very popular and practical President Dwight Eisenhower successfully deported millions of illegal alien Mexican nationals in a program called "Operation Wetback", which lasted two years. Again, this was reportedly done to make more jobs available for World War II and Korean War veterans.
Read more: http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-02-20/...
We now have a huge number of citizens out of work, including returning veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan. It seems we ought to be able to do the same thing today. All that is required is that we actually enforce the law. There is nothing "ambiguous" or "complicated" about illegal immigration. It's illegal, the people doing it know it, and they are therefore criminals who should be arrested and deported. The people that deliberately hire illegals should be arrested and jailed or fined heavily.
Read more: http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-02-20/...
As a taxpayer and supporter of the rule of law, if I get 30 people with signs and stand in front of the ICE office would the SUN write a story about me? The answer is no, white people who pay taxes need not apply. I hope the demonstrations this weekend will finally frighten citizen tax payers to demand enforcement of Federal Immigration Law. Deport the illegal criminals who steal our jobs, identity and our private property!
So many of the illegals are criminals. Why do you think the Mexican government is against this law too. They dont want them back either. Tough sh!t. If you can't respect the immigration laws of this great nation then you certainly dont have any right to come here and suck our social services dry. The law only enforces existing federal laws that the Dems are to soft to enforce. To the comment about having to carry passport and birth certificate, what are you talking about? Try having a green card, drivers license, or state ID AND speaking english for christ sakes.
I don't want to go-off on the liberal vs. conservative rant - but I must mention;
Libs mostly protest for their own benefit - To reinforce their sense of self-worth and self-gratification. This is evident with the fact they always have to have the high visibility front-seat at the protest. To be the loudest, to have the biggest sign, to throw the first rock etc. To further my point, the lib will donate $200 to a charitable cause, and then spend $500 dollars making sure EVERYONE knows about their donation!
Look at me...I'm liberal! I'm a humanitarian! I'm for global peace and tranquility! They scream in wild-eyed RAGE just before they throw a Carona bottle some poor civil-service employee's head!
Many of these Alpha protestors are 70% self serving...
To get on point: 24/24
Yep, 24 murders in 24 hours in Cuidad Juarez e'hora! Check it out/
Gov Pat:
what document(s) do I need to pass through your state? If it is a birth certificate, what kind do you consider OK [you don't like Obama's Hawaiian certificate]. Please place full-page ads in all Nevada Newspapers daily for 30 days to let us all know, include photos of samples so we can compare our documents to those on your approved list. Needless to say, If arrested improperly, our governor Jim wouldn't raise a finger to help a fellow Nevadan, so we are solely at your mercy.
BTW, I cannot find a copy of your doctor-signed birth certificate on the internet. How do we know you aren't an illegal alien?
Entering the U.S. illegally has been a crime [misdemeanor on the first violation, a felony thereafter] for decades. Since the Bush's, The Cigar Dipper and Chairman ObaMao won't do their mandated duty to prevent an invasion what the hell do you expect the states to do? Put up with it? I think not!
Illegal aliens are criminals and parasites, one and all. Their very presence here and practically everything they do on U.S. soil is illegal. They need to be ferreted out, rounded up like cattle, punished for their numerous crimes, then booted back to whence they snuck in from with such extreme prejudice that they will never, ever think of violating our sovereignty again. Enough is enough.
@BarryS...whoa there pardner, you're coming dangerously close to pointing out the main problem with this law: that EVERYONE, not just the ethnic looking ones, will be forced to prove citizenship. Lets keep the focus on how this will only effect illegal immigrants mmkay.
God bless the Minutemen, God bless the Tea Party, and to all who come and invade our country here and break our laws, to blazes with you all....
Freedom is not free. If you want to live in this country, then take steps to become a LEGAL citizen. It's that simple.
Why are companies hiring illegals in the first place, when they know that legal citizens are out of work?
Not only do I want the Federal Immigration Law ENFORCED, I want employers of these illegals imprisoned. Hit the employers in their pocket book. That's the only way to make them wake up, and stop the food chain for the ever-growing illegal population!
And, BTW, those who revert to name calling and labeling others (conserviate or liberal), this does not win a debate. You're wasting your time and annoying others!
BarryS, save the comedy for the comics. They know how to make people laugh.
Fremmasmind:
I'm not a comic. Just want to know what to show the AZ police. Since I am not an immigrant, I don't have a green card. So, I can't "prove" I am a legal immigrant. I merely asked a simple question: how does a native-born citizen of the USA "prove" to an AZ cop that fact? Since you believe that there will not be profiling, anyone can be stopped. Clearly a computer-generated NV birth certificate might be suspect since the AZ legislature is already questioning those types of documents from Hawaii. Is Governor Gibbons going to re-issue all NV-born residents hand-written/signed documents? Will AZ believe that Gov Jim knows about every birth in NV? even about those before he was born?
Will they accept Real-ID licenses? probably not since AZ and probably you are against them anyway. So what are we to do? I don't want to end up in an AZ boot-camp next time I stop for gas in AZ. Do you?
What Arizona did was right and should have been done years ago. Just how many hospitals ,school districts and social programs have to go broke providing services to illegal immigrants while legal citizens taxes go out of sight to pay for these illegal immigrants? UMC will soon be sold off to a private party because of hundreds of millions of dollars in uncollectable fees from illegal immigrants.
The biggest lie is they do jobs others won't do. That is a lie beyond comprehension followed by the lie they pay taxes. Most of the money they earn goes back to countries south of the border to countreis that should be providing for thier own citizens, other than the drug manufacturing,distribution and gang enforcement of illegal activities.
Just what don't these brown people understand illegal means illegal, not get to America and then homestead yourself and expect amnesty.
ICE do your job and get rid of them or America will rise up arm themselves and do the job for you. Mexico lost the war and with it America gets the spoils. Get use to it.
News flash...Boycotts don't work, they never did. The Fed's have abandoned Arizona to the point they're doing something about it. Whether you like it or not you have to admire the fact they're making their stand. Which is more than I can say about most states.
I have several good cash paying jobs in Arizona. i hope they fix this fast, its bad for my wallet !
HOPE NEVADA PASSES THE SAME LEGISLATION AS AZ. THE ILLEGAL ALIENS NEED TO GO BACK TO WHERE EVER THEY CAME FROM. THEY HAVE CAUSED MORE PROBLEMS THEN CAN BE DELINEATED HERE.
Hermit as I remember the North American Indian tribes tried to be hospitable to the European immigrants coming into North America. Things seemed to be going good until some of our ancestors got greedy. My ancestry goes back to John Payne who came over on the Mayflower. I guess he and the other passengers were the first illegal aliens stealing into this continent. Oh, by the way he was the first illegal immigrant to wed here in North America.
You trying to compare back then to now has no comparison. Now we have laws against illegal immigration. Thats the difference. If you don't think this is fair write your congressmen to make new immigration laws. After doing this be prepared to lose some of your friends. United States citizens are sick and tired of our federal government not enforcing the federal laws they vowed to uphold when they were sworn into office. Could this be considered treason, aiding and abetting? This is why Arizona took precautions in writting their immigration law. They have been suffering for years and got fed up with the feds and want their immigration laws to last forever. They can no longer depend on our federal government. Texas, Utah, Georgia, Ohio, and Maryland are fed up with our federal government to because they are talking about adopting similar laws for their states. Congress even after Arizona passed the new laws showed their true colors again and told the American public that there were other issues they were working on and they wouldn't have time to get to this until after the end of the year( after Novembers elections). History has shown that they expect our citizens to forget about it. All they tell us we need is immigration reform, their wrong! We need them to enforce our laws for once.
As General Berringer said in the movie "Wargames" (1983), "What a load of s#$%!".
This is , of course, a retort to the nutcase posting above by outtahismind.
Only in America can a group of criminals protest their right to be criminals without the fear of being arrested for being criminals!
Nevada should, on its own:
1. REMOVE THE CARROT: Nevada should implement RealID, and employment in Nevada should require a valid state ID. New employees who move here from elsewhere can be given 30 days to obtain a valid NV ID. After 30 days, no NV ID = no job. Could sub in a Federal ID (military dependent, passport, green card) for the NV ID. Employers who continue to employ someone without a valid ID after 30 days should be penalized $100 per day per employee. And employers who hire temps the "Home Depot lot" or elsewhere more than once a month in order to skirt the law and take advantage of the illegals will need to be significantly penalized if they fail to check for a valid ID. And non-emergency state aid payments(welfare, scholarships, etc) will require a NV ID.
2. ELIMINATE THE WORST OF THE LOT: Individuals arrested/cited for felony, violent offense, or drugs without a valid ID would be subject to a status check. Individuals stopped for probable cause, without a valid ID but not arrested, would not be subject to a status check UNLESS they had a criminal record (with more than just minor traffic violations).
Those two actions will undoubtedly have a significant impact, though it won't fix the problem 100%. At that point the Feds need to get their act together and a)REALLY secure the border & ports of entry and b)determine what to do with the millions that are here and, other than being here illegally, obey the law.
I doubt the efficacy of deporting 10M+. But if the flood is stemmed & the worst of the lot eliminated, the remainder will become a much more manageable problem that will, over time, either leave or be assimilated.
An awful lot of scapegoating going on around here. Most of Mexico is impoverished and dangerous, and nothing's going to stop Latinos from coming here illegally.
If any of those politicians in Arizona REALLY wanted to stop illegal immigration, they would go after the businesses that hire them and not just pander to voters who are understandably freaked out and scared in such an extremely uncertain time. First offense, a 10k fine. Second offense, imprison the corporate officers for 6 months. Third offense, the corporate death penalty: yank their business license to operate in that state.
The illegal immigrant population would dry up TOMORROW, and there would be no need for a re-enactment of a WWII movie where secret police going around saying "Papers please!"
I just hope they keep Celine Dion out.
Listen - illegal immigration and this Bill has NOTHING to do with each other. NOTHING. The Bill has turned the state into the leper of the nation. I've lived here for 21 years. Brewer just handed over the next Governor election to the Democrat - who is the current Attorney General. Local cops are not IMMIGRATION cops. The courts are now going to be totally extra screwed in handling these cases. This was all about her trying to get re-elected pure and simple.
This "papers" thing is astoundingly horrifying for the legals. The bad cartel illegals, the ones we want out of here the most, will just get PHONY DOCUMENTS like they do now! So imagine you're a legal with an AZ driver's license. The cop decides your license looks suspicious and asks for your papers. You've lived here your whole life and it's your word against his. What is a legal U.S. Citizen Latino supposed to do? Travel around with a birth certificate?
You "less government" types astound me. Now you have government getting in the face of its legal citizens and don't think that's not going to happen. Don't think people are just going to take "sorry" for an apology when they're dragged downtown, tossed into a jail cell, until a friend or relative or boss has to go to the jail to prove they are who they say they are. This is ALL ABOUT BREWER WANTING TO BE ELECTED.
Previous posters said it best - arrest those hiring illegals. You talk about enforcing the laws on the books? Then enforce the ones on the books about hiring illegals and this will end.
The President of Mexico can't even control the idiots on his side of the border and he wants to warn mexicans about traveling to the US? Nogales is on pace to break it's murder record from last year and Phoenix had over 370 kidnappings last year making it the kidnap capital of the US and it's spreading to Texas & California. I don't see them protesting south of the border for our 'Citizens'! You wussies out there make me want to vomit!
Juarez is a great destination this time of year, make that your vacation spot instead of Arizona.
Aside from the legal concerns, the casinos aren't going to let anything like this pass in Nevada. Arizona is facing a potential visitor backlash from this and our tourism industry is already fragile. Plus, the hotels and casinos would lose half their staff in an immigration sweep and have to start paying legal wages to their replacements.
Pierre, I just thought I'd send you a note and thank you for your complement. It has been quite awhile since I've seen a complement like yours. Please enlighten me with your wisdom.
Pierre's friend who is out of his mind
Nevadans say YES to Arizona's immigration law...
The latest Rasmussen survey of likely voters in Nevada shows that fifty seven percent (57%) of Nevada voters favor legislation like Arizona's that authorizes local law enforcement to stop and verify the immigration status of anyone they suspect of being an illegal alien.
Only thirty one percent(31%) of Nevada's voters oppose such legislation.
I bet 100% of the guys handing out porn trading cards on the strip oppose it.
Nevada needs to adopt the same exact law! The law makes sense. Kind of makes you wonder what the protesters have to hide.
I agree Sandy, I bet the porn card guys would suddenly go away on the strip. Wow, adopting this law in Nevada is looking better and better.
So I am to understand that 30 people at a vigil are sending a message that legislators won't be re-elected if they pursue this sort of action?
What exactly is the mission of the Dept. of Homeland Security when our borders are swiss cheese?
Surely they can spend some of their $50.5 billion (2009 budget) on the problem.
Citizens and legal residents shouldn't have a problem showing a driver's license as proof of legal presence as long as the license wasn't issued by a state like Washington who is stupid enough to allow invaders to get licenses. If you aren't a citizen you are required by federal law to carry your "green card" or passport anyway.... that's always been the law. The only clowns who should fear this law are despicable invaders who have no business being on our soil anyhow.
Those crazy whacky Arizonans. Can you imagine them enacting a law making it a crime to do something illegal? Why, doing illegal things is everyone's inalienable right. Isn't it?
I want open borders so all the pro Arizona folks can move to Mexico and starve. Really, so people can go both ways - if the Native Americans had been able to do what should have been done the haters would not be living in this country and neither would I. Ok, so can't we get along - you members of the party of no, you non-tea drinking teaparty folks, the dumbocrats, and the libertine libertarians?
I called the AZ governor's office today at 602-542-1318 and asked the "assistant to the gov" what document I needed while in AZ so I won't get arrested since I don't have a green card [I am a native born USA citizen], and she became belligerent and rude. She said she didn't know. I asked her to find out, you know ask the governor and she said she was hanging up.
I called back and asked what she would show the police and she said she wouldn't be stopped.
I guess the Governor' assistant KNOWS that there will be profiling and it won't be her.
Very smug.
"Juarez is a great destination this time of year, make that your vacation spot instead of Arizona."
And you think it's tough surviving in the good old US of A?
Nevada needs to pass such a law! Immigrants are not a problem, illegal aliens are! The feds are refusing to enforce the law because they want all these illegal aliens as eventual voters and to help cause the overloading of our system so they can come to the rescue with socialism!
If anyone was serious about enforcing our laws, all they would have to do is stop by the Orleans on a Friday afternoon and check for green cards in the check cashing line!
The Marxist_Democrats on the forum are just like my old houndog: dumber than a sleddog.
Vast difference between an immigrant (legal) and an Illegal Alien (illegal means illegal).
"I just hope they keep Celine Dion out."
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TEXIFORNIA [PART ONE]
THE AMERICAN SOUTHWESTERN EVOLUTION TEXIFORNIA
[THE PILLARS OF SOCIETY]
So, what are the pillars of society and not being a lettered man or a social engineer, and not really interested in being one but only an observer at the ending of life, we have noticed from living in various social environments, that some things seem to be unique to all neighborhood's and would have to apply to the greater social engineering of society, and those would have to be;
* Common Language: Well it make's it a lot easier in a local neighborhood if you can speak to the other guy, growing up before the growing evolution of the North American Continent, we had [DP's] Displaced Persons from [WWII] World War Two Europe primarily, and the parents would scream at the kids we are in America now, we are American's you Speak American, plus a few ear pulling and open handed smacks to the face, but the message got thru, but it didn't apply to Grandma or Grand-dad. So a common language seems to be a key, the movie Pillow Book is a good movie to demonstrate how important a common language is.
* Common Regional Area with Geographic Boundaries: The boundaries were set in the city by streets generally, but could be divided by factory areas, parks, commercial areas, but generally there had to be a common regional area of safety, if you want a better idea get the movie Warriors, basically a Gang called the Warriors had to fight their way back to their turf Common Regional and Geographic Area, thru others turf. So a common area where you have the advantage of Regional knowledge and supremacy is a must.
* Common Race: Now this is the point when all the liberals get up in your face and call you a racist and that in today's society race has nothing to do with anything, that the Israel-American Empire is going to be a Black-African Heritage based society, the answer to that is well maybe. The Empire is in the process of social engineering the creation of a mix race society, portraying it as the new wave. Now, these things have a way of working themselves out we sort of figure, but we have lived long enough to have seen it ain't gonna work, or the price can be very high. Fiddler on the Roof was a good example, the old Jew with all the daughters when along with pretty much everything and saw change as well it happens, but when it came to marriage outside the Religion and Social Group, Get Out And Never Darken My Door Again. Try being a Red Headed Whiskey drinking no prospects Catholic Irishman dating a dark haired, dark eyed brain Greek Orthodox, chick you don't see to many My Big Fat Greek Wedding, like that's going to happen.
HERCULE TRIATHLON SAVINIEN
It's all fun and games until the cops start asking white people for their papers. Then it'll be all kinds of: don't you know my greatX14-grandpappy came over on the Mayflower and was the first person in these here colonies to take a whiz in the woods!
TEXIFORNIA [PART TWO]
THE AMERICAN SOUTHWESTERN EVOLUTION TEXIFORNIA
* Common Religion: The Jewish Religion has to be the proof of the pudding when it comes to the Common Religion. The Protocols' of the Elders of Zion, a written method of keeping a nation without a Common Regional Area with Geographic Boundaries, and Common Race locations, a people who had decided on a [1] One True God Deist Religion, built an entire dogma, and social engineered group around it, that takes the cake, they did it and are still doing it, and it works.
[THE EMPIRE]
The Israeli-American Empire only consists of the [2] Two Metropolis City, which really combined is a Mega-Metropolis of [NYC] New York City, and Washington, D. C. [District of Clowns], which have many if not all of the pillars of society Common Language Money and Power, Common Race Green Back Dollar Green, Common Religion Greed, and of course common regional area, plus most are inter-married or at least having intercourse with each other over money or physically, and now they are trying to do social engineering to preserve themselves in power, but this should have been started in [1492] when Columbus decided to sail the oceans blue, well they sort of did the GOLD was in South America, so all the basic's of society a Common Society exist South of the Boarder between Mexico and the Yankee North. But the North American Continent is in a period of Evolution, Secession or Breaking Apart into at least [8] Eight Geo-Political Regional Common Regional Area's with Geographic Boundaries:
* The Republic of Alaska
* America: The Confederate States of America
* America: The United States of America
* The Republic of California
* The Republic of Cascadia: Carved out of Northwestern Washington State, and the Canadian province of British Columbia.
* The Republic of Hawaii
* The Mormon Republic
* The Republic of Texas
* The Republic of Vermont: Carved out of the New York State Adirondacks, Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine.
[The Collapse from Within]
The Israeli-American Empire failed to even, begin to build the pillars of society that ensure its being a lasting one.
* A Common Language? NO!
* A Common Religion? NO!
HERCULE TRIATHLON SAVINIEN
TEXIFORNIA [PART THREE]
THE AMERICAN SOUTHWESTERN EVOLUTION TEXIFORNIA
* A Common Religion? NO!
* A Common Race? NO! But, now the social engineering is built upon the idea of having a mixed not Black, not White, non descript racial identity as the North American Race, with a combined racial identity, this idea hasn't work either way it turned into either a White with Black features or a Black that has White features, much like a fashion statement in the [60's] the Jackie Syndrome, in the [21st] Century the Imperial Media Messiah President Syndrome look, but there are many who do not want to live in a mixed race society, and you can see this in any city, some cities are all Black, this goes beyond just Color, the Irish neighborhood, the Italian neighborhood, the Jewish Ghetto, the Korean, Japanese, Little China Town, etc. etc. etc. Love seems to have its own agenda and rules, but it has to be understood it can come at a very high price.
* Common Geographic and Regional Areas; NO! Again people who don't want to be around other groups separate themselves into enclaves which each side knows what and where the boundary lines are, its Apartheid, and all communities and nations have some form of it.
[A Time of Empire Evolution]
The Empire has lost its moral authority, intellectually, financially, militarily having reached the point of being unsustainable, ungovernable, and is unfixable, governed from the Mega-Metropolis of [NYC] New York City, and Washington, D. C. [District of Clowns], by an oligarchy of jaded pros, the permanent inter-married residents locked in the Beltway whose only movement is from Pennsylvania Avenue, when they are in office, to K-Street when they are out and back again. The Empire has begun its decline from both without and within, the Southwest is in rapid Evolution as a Society based upon A Common Language Spanish, A Common Religion Roman Catholicism, and Common Heritage are in fact bring about the creation of what will be at least [1] One if not [2] Two New Republics on the North American Continent; The Republic of California and The Republic of Texas or [1] Large New Republic of what Texifornia. Make no mistake the Evolution is in progress, caused by the weakening of prolonged Wars of Economic Stimulus without maintenance of social structure or inter-structure, an a failure to get its Pillars built first, the New North American Continent will;
* Evolution into an Afro-American Heritage Society in some regions
* Evolution away from an Afro-American Heritage Society in other regions.
* Evolution into Socialism from Capitalism in regions, while others seek Communism, or other form of economic system.
* Evolution into English, French [Republic of Vermont], and Spanish Speaking Republics [Republic of California/Texas or Texifornia]
* Evolution into Roman Catholic, Mormon, Jewish and other Republics.
HERCULE TRIATHLON SAVINIEN
TEXIFORNIA [END PART]
THE AMERICAN SOUTHWESTERN EVOLUTION TEXIFORNIA
No matter what you choose to call it Change, Collapse, Evolution, Secession or Revolution, The PILLARS OF SOCIETY were never put into place, a piece of cloth on a pole, or a piece of paper behind bullet proof glass in a hermetically sealed environment, or long speeches are not substitutes for the Pillars. All Men are NOT created Equal, they were created Different and they choose to be among others who share those individual traits that make them different and unique, the State of Arizona is simply wasting its time, a New Republic in the Southwest in being born carved out the Empires Southwest.
HERCULE TRIATHLON SAVINIEN
If we could take all the savings in what we are clearly squandering on ineffective border control, annex Mexico (#51) and move the border concerns south a ways, we'd get:
*oil
*beach-front views
*culture exchange, symbiotic growth
*liberation of Mexico from a corporatist bastion of centralized power to centralized bastion of corporate power and rule of law
Nevada wake up or we will be in trouble. We have enough of these grease goons running around. The state of Arizona should be proud for standing up against this and not waiting for the government to do something, which we all know they were going to do nothing about this illegal mexicans crossing over. Stop worring about Iraq and spending billions of dollars over there, spend it here on securing the borders and keeping them out. This garbage makes you sick!!
reviewing the blogs seems majority in favor of AZ's bill. i'm doing the tiger woods "fist pump" "yea baby about time". Why isn't the president of mexico (calderon?) all apologetic and red faced embarrassed how his citizens suffer to get to USA due to his countries disasterous gov? Instead he's all cool and collected saying we are WRONG AND MISGIUDED. HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!. finally droves of mexicans were marching down the street waving the mexican flag so proud of their heritage awhile back. FLASH your dang passport or drivers license to the police if your so dam pround and go about your business.
The Berlin Wall?! That had to do with uniting a country--not an invasion from another country that advocates and assists exporting its poverty. It is not about color of skin,either. It is about an influx overwhelmingly comprised of one group--Mexicans. Mexico encourages its citizens to enter our country; it opposes the U.S. at the United Nations; it refuses to extradite some of the most notorious criminals to be tried in U.S. courts; and our Soc.Sec. totalization agreement provides greater benefits to its citizens than ours. Mexico is the primary source of both legal & illegal immigrants. Half the Mexicans residing in our country are illegal aliens. We have been so generous with our human rights entitlements for this influx of people who do not want to assimilate into our culture, that it has caused many of the states to go bankrupt and take more from our legal citizens to solve huge deficit problems. Violating the borders of a sovereign nation is not a right. These people who have broken our laws, a misdemeanor for unlawful entry, should never receive a taxpayer benefit. It has become a nightmare for legal American taxpayers to continue subsidizing citizens of another country to our own detriment. The list of what we pay for just for illegal aliens--not legal recipients:
1. medical & health care (380,000 babies born to illegals just last year!)(From 1994-2007, 70 Calif. emergency rooms have closed; in Texas, 1 out of 5 patients was an illegal alien;) Cost incl. in the $90B below for Welfare.
2. education: $12Billion for primary & 2ndary education. PLUS $17Billion for US born children to illegals aka anchor babies.
3. foreign aid: We send $17 million+ to Mexico each year.
4. Prisons: $3 million a day spent for incarceration
5. Welfare: up to $22 Billion ea. yr.
6. $2.2B for food assistance programs (food stamps, WIC & free school lunches)
7. $2.5B a yr for Medicaid.
8. $90 Billion a yr for Welfare/Soc.Services.
Estimated to mass-deport them is between $206-$230Billion; we would be ahead after the lst year.
States are separate sovereigns in our federal system and as such have a responsibility to protect our borders and protect taxpayers against egregious waste, fraud and abuse. Some Mexican ambulance companies are instructing their drivers to take uninsured patients across the border to the U.S. All border hospitals report losses.
There is a crisis on the border, and I fear Nevada is about to be burdened further with an exodus from Arizona. Las Vegas is a sanctuary city and the strain more and more illegals will put on the rest of us will affect our quality of life. All the more reason our State lawmakers should do just what Arizona's brave legislature has done.
I followed the link from get_involved above about Pros Ranch Markets.
ICE found 300 or 20% of its workers with forged documents at their stores in Phoenix. These employees were fired.
I wonder if we can get ICE to do an audit of the casinos here in Vegas?
Casinos HR departments would be busy again hiring new, replacement workers. The unemployment rate would drop here in Vegas. The CCSD budget shortfall would probably go away as well.
Who do we need to talk to, to make this happen?
For nnose: Arizona had implemented the E-Verify system...but ICE and the Feds just did not do enough or follow through. The Feds must make mandatory and permanent the E-Verify system throughout the U.S. and they must put more security on the border and give the police the authority to enforce the law. It is ridiculous not to be able to ask anyone if they are here legally or not. Travel anywhere, you had better have your papers with you, or you will be detained. It isn't as if there were only a few scattered illegals here and there. There are at leasts half a million! This is not just a drop in the welfare bucket paid for by the Taxpayer! Also, the surge in the illegal alien population that is not screened for communicable diseases has led to higher insurance rates. You all got to look at the bigger picture!
a little late getting in on this post,but,anyway,federal law already states that any undocumented individuals within our borders must carry with them their identification papers at all times. try to get on an airplane without an i.d.,or cash a check at a bank.call it racist if you like,but it is what it is.
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To: thelmamhomer ....I couldn't have said it better.
I do feel very sorry for the illegal but I do not feel safe with unsecure boarders. We have Wars going on and they could cross are boarders with dirty bombs.I wish Washington would wake up before something happens,it will be worse than 911.Our country is in a meltdown.
"A group of about 30 people"
Christ tap dancing on a saltine cracker... 30 whole people????
and that's supposed to be news?
Hell, there are more than 30 people at the average buffet at any given time...
WHY ISN'T THAT NEWS?????
http://la-gun.com/email/manning : Calthompain, Thanks for that link, WoW. What a Trip- I feel just about like this man, Not only are White people tired of being called racist, I am Black, and I can see the double standards. All I can say it' Obama do not speak for me. I am sick of illegal aliens taking over this country, I was given an offer back in 1993 by a Culinary Union Business agent to help him take over the Union, I was a Shop Stewart, this guy said" the Blacks and the Mexicans can take over the Union, and he tried to solicit me to help, I even reported this conversation to a top union official, that is still with the Union, I was ignored, I left the Union Soon after that. It is now run by mostly Hispanics, they make sure that Mexicans work, whites, and blacks are given mostly temp work. I agree with this man on the clip, something very major is going to happen, American Citizens of all races, are sick, and tired, I am not sure about where Obama was born, but I know, the is not for Citizens of the U.S.A
I am sick and tired of people touting on about the European immigrants and what the "whites" did. You're damn right the whites did. The United States of America IS the country that it is today BECAUSE of the "white" founders of it! If you think this country could have been started, structured, and industrialized by any other race you are kidding yourselves. I will not apologize for being white. And considering all the races that live and prosper in this country, you need to stop expecting me to. And, OH how racist this will be because I am white. If I were a minority it would not be the case. Truth.
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If the immigrates go, think of the effect on breweries.
Wow...What a turnout for that rally...Hell there is more people drinking at the bar i go to than that..Thats the way to stand up for your rights,,, ooops,,, what rights....lol...Just think when they pull over a spaceship and its full of illegal aliens,,they can just fly back home themselves....
Best line I've EVER read on this site to date,
"Only in America can a group of criminals protest their right to be criminals without the fear of being arrested for being criminals!"
@Nitro -this empire will not fall, and yeah look at China where you are controlled by your government all the way to how many children you can have. That sounds great. Did you forget the freedom part? The world knows there is nothing like the USA, obviously that is why immigrants want to be here. Even Chinese.
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What do you think is happening? A country changing, evolving, and being revolutionized would be called history genius.
Mexico City -- As Mexicans decry the Arizona immigration law and launch boycotts of Arizona, Amnesty International released a scathing new report urging Mexicans to look in the mirror.
"Invisible Victims: Migrants on the Move in Mexico" details the abuse faced by Central American migrants, who cross the southern border between Guatemala and Mexico, usually en route to the US.
Each year, tens of thousands of migrants make the trip.
Many lose limbs from accidents on trains they board to head northward. Women and girls report sexual violence. And - far worse than asking suspected illegal immigrants about their US immigration status, as the new Arizona law will require police to do - many Central American migrants to Mexico accuse Mexican officials of demanding bribes or flat-out stealing their cash.
"Migrants in Mexico are facing a major human rights crisis leaving them with virtually no access to justice, fearing reprisals and deportation if they complain of abuses," Rupert Knox, Mexico Researcher at Amnesty International, said. "Persistent failure by the authorities to tackle abuses carried out against irregular migrants has made their journey through Mexico one of the most dangerous in the world."
Lately, as drug violence has soared, migrants have also been increasingly the victims of kidnapping.
Drawing on numbers from Mexico's National Human Rights Commission (CNDH), Amnesty International says some 10,000 migrants were abducted over six months in 2009 -- a record number. Almost half of those interviewed said that public officials were involved in their abductions.
Mexico promises to address the matterAs Mexican officials respond to the new immigration law in Arizona -- the Mexican government has issued a "travel alert" for Mexicans living, working, and studying in Arizona -- it also recognized the Amnesty International Report Wednesday and promised to address the situation.
In a statement released by the Secretary of Government, Mexico said it "shares the worry and recognizes the complexity and urgency to address the crime that some migrants face in our country," it reads. "Organized crime has diversified" extending to other illicit activities that directly affects migrants, who, because of their vulnerability, have become targets of crimes such as kidnapping, smuggling, and extortion, creating new challenges for the institutional structure."
The problem with going back to the argument that we are all decendants of immigrants is that there are now CURRENT laws that should matter. And our ancestors did not ask the taxpayers to support them.
This is a new day. Our country is sliding into a depression and our fellow Americans are complaining that union workers earn too much-as if they should earn minimum wage.
It won't be long before our citizens are as poverty stricken as the illegals scrambling their way across the border.
I wish we could take care of everyone, but I already work three months of the year to pay taxes and I cannot afford to give away any more.
Support your unions & buy American!
FROM CNN, NOT FOX!!!
Click on this link !!!!!!
This from CNN news: http://d.yimg.com/kq/groups/17260182/161...
even the pro dems news thinks this bill is outrages
hey las vegas sun, facebook my butt. think lefties and righties can take a little heat on comments.
So immigration reform is a Facebook-free topic? Not political? No chance someone will be called a teabagger or a chicken-liberal? How dumb is this? Maybe Facebook is giving the Sun a kickback?
NO ONE IS SNEAKING INTO MEXICO.PLEASE GO HOME BEFORE THE BOUNTY BILL IS PASSED.
I think the only reason the Democratic Peoples Republic of Arizona (DPRA) made this draconian immigration reform a State law is they want to compete with Missouri.
Missouri is the "Show Me" State. Now, Arizona can proudly claim they are the "Show Me....Your Papers!" State.
One additional comment from me....
I'm not sure if anyone notices it, but this Arizona State law has accomplished one thing. And it will be felt by the Republicans immediately. They won't like it. And it's not what they want accomplished.
People see that it was predominantly a Republican Party affair. It was drafted by members of the Republican Party, pushed into law by Republicans on their State level and eventually signed into law by a Republican Governor...a Governor who couldn't even identify what an illegal alien looks like.
They have awakened the Hispanic American sleeping giant. And they are howling and screaming their indignation.
And if you don't believe me, you are invited to watch them march to the polling booths on November 10, 2010. Their voices may not be heard now, but they will DEFINITELY be heard then. Loud and clear.
Those diehard Republicans will probably reject what I am saying here, but mark my words. Republicans are soon to be doomed. At least in Arizona. They will not forget this when the Hispanic Americans exercise their voting rights.
And this will come true also for Nevada...if Governor Gibbons keeps spouting the Arizona line. It will be a domino effect and he will power up the Hispanic American vote to slap him out of office pronto.
Since business meetings usually bring me to Vegas if I stay at a union hotel I will lower my tips by 50% since money goes to the socialist SEIU regime.
ColinFromLasVegas - there's just one teeny thing wrong with your hypothesis... mexicans don't vote. They have the lowest percentage turn out of any group of people.
The illegal aliens are in an uproar because
they know Americans are fighting back.
We want them out of here!
Colin from Las Vegas:
The illegals don't get a vote. This is going to fire up all of the US citizens to vote and the immigrant will be outvoted. We cannot afford to pay for them any longer.
Do you work three months out of the year to pay taxes?
NeedleGuy and Aprilgirl12: Thanks for reading. I want to correct you both though.
I make no mention of Mexicans and/or illegal aliens voting in American elections. I said Americans of Hispanic origin. They do vote. Because they are American citizens.
Perhaps they don't vote regularly, but this is a game changer. I guarantee the new Arizona law, no matter if it's fair or unjust, WILL energize them to vote. If you look at the news, they are being organized right now. And their numbers will multiply in voting booths as they get angrier and angrier. THAT is the sleeping giant that is being awakened. You can think what you want, but this is a fact.
Colin - I want to correct you as well.
"They do vote. Because they are American citizens."
Should read - They can vote.
The meaning is vastly different from what you are putting forward as fact.
Personally - I haven't voted for years but I am making sure that I am registered and ready for this year.
I guess we will find out whose "sleeping giant" is bigger.
What happened to the Facebook requirement?
Here is Las Vegas Sun Newspaper's answer to open discussion and dialogue on politcal topics printed under constitutional protections.
"In an effort to further elevate the dialogue on our stories, we will be -- for at least a short time -- requiring readers to log in with their Facebook accounts to leave comments on politics stories on lasvegassun.com. We hope and believe that this accountability will cut down on the meanness and name calling that occurs when commenters are granted anonymity. We still hope readers will voice their opinions -- whatever they may be -- but we want to make sure they take responsibility for them, as well."
Why stop at this? Why not require that people be held responsible for the way they vote as well.
In an effort to elevate personal responsibility, there will be no more secret ballots in America.
Way to go Las Vegas Sun, you have managed to throw us back over 200 years in one day.
Let's see if Nevada can come out of the recession by passing this law and ending up on boycott list. All this action will do is reduce demand for the few goods that are produced in NV. Immigration enforcement is the job of the federal government for all strict interpreters of the constitution. Get a clue!
We are 50 % here in Nevada aND SOON WILL RULE THE sATE, AND YOU WHITE REPUBLICANS WILL BE PAYING taxes to help support my family !
Oh well, see you guys later.... No facebook for me.
Facebook is a way for Mr Facebook to profit from your information. I understand the Sun wants a way to try and keep people responsible for their words and I'm all for it, I dont say anything I wont stand behind. But I wont do Facebook.
They could post here a reason why they require I am a member of the facebook group in order to participate in the Sun discussions. I will listen, but I wont hold my breath.
Oh well. Its been fun, sorta.
See ya!
Juan, we are already supporting you and yours, no?
How about a sign on the Nevada side of the Arizona-Nevada border that states "Now Leaving Arizona, Welcome To America!"
" Now leaving Arizona, Welcome to Obamanation".
On the other side, rskisok, it'll say, "Now Leaving Nevada, Welcome To The Democratic Peoples Republic Of Arizona!"
Working retail is tough there's not one day or hour where i don't hear "espeaka espanish" Word to the illegal aliens or supporters, learn english, stop having kids at 15,stop stealing our identities, stop smuggling your filth to the USA,and maybe we wouldn't have such hard time having you people around. Oh and stop those annoying sounds blasting from your trucks that you call music!!
Boycott Cinco de Mayo. Boycott Mexican restaurants. Morons. Go ahead. Boycott Arizona. You'll do more damage to the Mexican restaurants than the other businesses.