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Nevada state Sen. Mo Denis speaks at a news conference Monday about Arizona’s new immigration law.
Monday, April 26, 2010 | 2:40 p.m.
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Reform Immigration for America holds a news conference Monday to discuss Arizona's new immigration law.
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Nevada immigrants angry over Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signing Senate Bill 1070 on Friday said today they will boycott Arizona and try to overturn the law, hoping for the federal government’s support.
Las Vegas-area members of Reform Immigration for America joined hundreds in Arizona this past weekend in protest of the bill. During a news conference today at the La Iglesia Amistad Cristiana Church, 901 E. Stewart Ave., the group said it hopes to prevent a similar measure from gaining momentum in Nevada.
“As Nevadans, a number of us went to Arizona to stand with our brothers and sisters down there to support them and their fight against this,” said Michael Flores, state director of Reform Immigration for America. “This bill is completely unjust and we are not in favor it; we definitely don’t want to see this in Nevada.”
The bill would make it a crime for anyone to be in the country illegally and require police to question people about their immigrant status if they suspect they are here illegally. Flores called this racial profiling.
But supporters of the law, set to take effect in late July or August, say it is necessary to protect Arizonans from a litany of crimes committed by illegal immigrants. Arizona is home to an estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants.
Supporters have dismissed concerns about profiling, saying the law prohibits the use of race or nationality as the sole basis for an immigration check.
Flores said the group was pulled over by police while on the way back to Las Vegas from Arizona. He said officers questioned them and searched their bags.
“Martin Luther King Jr. once said an injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere, and that is a big reason why we’re working so hard to make sure this doesn’t come here,” Flores said. “Our community is ready to mobilize.”
Beatriz Aguirre, a student at the College of Southern Nevada, said she spent the week in Arizona, attending vigils at the state capitol in protest of the bill.
“We ate there, we slept there, we worked there,” she said. “We did everything we could to stop this bill.”
Aguirre said many in the Hispanic community were angry when Brewer signed the bill, but she said she isn’t giving up. She said protesters stayed another night and formulated strategies on how to get the law reversed.
“We started this new civil rights movement and said, ‘We don’t stop, we won’t give up, and what we’re fighting for is comprehensive immigration reform,’” she said.
Resident Melissa Munzo didn’t go to Arizona but said she was devastated as she watched Brewer sign the bill on TV. She said SB 1070 is a step backward for immigration reform. She said it reminded her of discrimination against Jews during World War II.
“In the years of the Nazis, they put stars on the foreheads of Jews,” she said. “What are they going to put on our foreheads for Hispanics?”
Nevada State Sen. Mo Denis said the next step is putting pressure on the federal government to enact a law that overpowers any state laws. He said legislators know that immigration reform is a pressing issue.
Flores said Nevada politicians and candidates who are in favor of the law should rethink their positions.
“We’re putting a callout to all of these elected officials that if you do pursue this legislation, you will not be elected or re-elected,” Flores said.
Gov. Jim Gibbons issued a statement today urging President Barack Obama to enforce federal immigration laws. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid responded, saying Republicans have blocked attempts by Democrats to reform immigration.
Reform Immigration for America has scheduled a May 1 march in Las Vegas to protest the Arizona law. It will begin at 4:30 p.m. at the Commercial Center, 953 E. Sahara Ave., and end at the Lloyd D. George Federal Courthouse.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
"Martin Luther King Jr. once said an injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere, and that is a big reason why we're working so hard to make sure this doesn't come here," Flores said. "Our community is ready to mobilize."
And it's an injustice that hardworking taxpaying legal American citizens are being shot and killed by illegals and their ilk. We have justice for people who break the law, we're just finally getting around to making it happen. Sorry if it gets in the way of your "reconquista" efforts.
I'm going to take my vacation in Arizona this year.
wowwww....
so a bunch of racist $9.00 per hour liberals are going to skip arizona?
arizona will smell much better this summer.
I will book my vacation in AZ also. When did it become politically correct to support those breaking laws?
Now if we can just get the illegals to boycott Nevada....
Boy this is interesting. A bunch of illegal immigrants that are breaking the law protest in our cities to change our rules. What is going on here. If any elected or would be elected official is in favor of this they are not American. How dare illegals come here and protest. THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS!!! By the way Martin Luther King was a citizen so he had a say. We need this law in Nevada. Who is this Flores guy that comments on how our elected officials should vote. Again these people THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS!!!!!
"supporters of the law ... say it is necessary to protect Arizonans from a litany of crimes committed by illegal immigrants"
Utter nonsense. Statistics clearly show that most crime in this country is committed by white people who were born here.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/index.ht...
This is simply another blatant civil rights violation by the racist far right wing.
chuck321 said, "Boy this is interesting. A bunch of illegal immigrants that are breaking the law protest in our cities to change our rules."
Where are you getting that from? The article says nothing about illegal immigrants protesting.
The posters above are ignorant of the history of this land. Maybe they would have us melt down the Statue of Liberty to build a wall?
They are also ignorant of the Law. You can spell out your fantasizes in capital letters all day long but the truth remains that yes, indeed, immigrants do have rights.
Racism is an ugly thing, especially when it is couched in the language of law-and-order rhetoric.
WE NEED THIS LAW IN NEVADA!!!!!!!!!!!
We don't need illegals telling us how to run our state!!! lets get NIS to some of these protests.
If you are LEGAL you shouldn't have a problem with this LAW!!!!!!!!
I just changed my vacation plans. I was going to go to Hawaii. Now, I will blow it all in Arizona.
By the way, Yes, Martin Luthor King was a citizen, and this caucasian is damn proud of him.
I don't really understand the fuss over the new Arizona law. I spent 22 years in San diego and now reside part year here in Las Vegas. I've heard both sides of the issues.
Imigrate to America. All are welcome but if you don't sign the guest book on the way in you need to go and do it the right way.
Imigration is all political now. If either party wanted to resolve it, just enforce the existing laws and don't tie the hands of the border patrol and INS.
This is all about votes. Amnesty and lack of enforcement equals votes.
Hats off to Arizona. No signy book...no freebies.
As is evident in many of the posts above, xenophobia, racism and bigotry usually travel hand in hand with intellectual dishonesty, selfishness and moral bankruptcy. Just another day out for the corporate puppets known as modern American conservatives.
I hate to add facts, but 31.5% of all arrests in AZ for crime are Hispanics.
http://www.azdps.gov/About/Reports/docs/...
Go ahead say I'm a racist for stating a fact. Whatever.
Oh you'll find that on page 63. The law is for Arizona after all, not any other state.
The bill would make it a crime for anyone to be in the country illegally and require police to question people about their immigrant status if they suspect they are here illegally. Flores called this racial profiling.
What's the problem? If you are here illegally, how do the authorities find out unless they can ask you? Illegals are pouring in thru the border. At some point you have to say "enough if enough"
If their legal they shouldn't care. I can understand feeling intimidated by possible "racial profiling" but they have to do something about the 460,000 illegal immigrants breaking the law. Their getting of easy, let them try to cross the boarder in any other countries and they wont get off as easily as they do here. Shut up and quit complaining and trying to boycott a law that Arizona clearly needs!
my great grandparents were immigrants. LEGAL immigrants.
THEY had civil rights when they became CITIZENS of this country.
illegal immigrants do not have civil rights.
"white guilt" is out of style, liberals. it's over.
@stevem
If you think that illegal immigrants have NO rights then why don't you go run one over in your truck? See where that gets you?
@vegaswolf
Ok now what do you suppose we do with that statistic? Round up everyone with brown skin? Make them wear special clothes? Make them slaves, since you think they obviously cannot be trusted? Put them in gas chambers?
What, exactly, is your one dimensional statistic supposed to illustrate? Be honest, tell us your point.
Not surprising that you confuse the term Hispanic and "illegal immigrant" - that is the very definition of "prejudice".
Its so funny how many ignorants are out there, it just make me laugh at them. Prisons are not made up of hispanics only, there are whites, blacks, asians, hispanics...Crimes are not only committed by hispanics! Look at that white guy who axed that poor baby and disfigured his mother, he wasnt hispanic...he was white!!! Stop pointing your fingers at people because of their nationality, because if your pointing one finger,how many fingers are pointing right at you. People grow up this country is no longer dominated by whites and will never be again, we are all a mixure of different races. Look at our president... who would of thought that he would be our first African American , well don't be surprised if the next president to be in the white house is a Latino!! I know I will have the last laugh at all those ignorant racist people.
@ this one guy...Did I say that? Where in the world do you get that from? I'm stating a fact to refute the person that said it was "This is simply another blatant civil rights violation by the racist far right wing." which is not true. To have Civil rights or any rights in this country you must be a Citizen. Thus the meaning of the word civilian.
Boycott????
We should be supporting Arizona and planning our own bill with the same type of enforcement.
I carry my documentation everywhere I go, you can point fingers at me, question me, stop me in my car, stop me on the street, I have nothing to hide.
I'm legal, I look like I am from another country and would have to wear my documentation around my neck or on my forehead, but I would do it gladly because I am legal.
The only people pissed off about this are the ones trying to help hide illegal immigrants.
Send ALL the illegals back to whatever country they came from.
@ShannonK-I suppose that there were no illegals at that protest.
Read the numbers---460,000 illegals in AZ. Not one at that protest. Not one costing this country a dime. Wake up!!
"@stevem
If you think that illegal immigrants have NO rights then why don't you go run one over in your truck? See where that gets you?"
well, i would, but see...i'm an "evil rich republican". i only fly in my private jet. maybe i'll throw you a dollar or two after you get done cleaning the bathroom on it.
and for the record...what happens when ANYONE tries to boycott anything?
that's right...it actually makes whatever they are boycotting MORE successful.
"married with children", disney, rock music.
Seems to me that many people with objections to this bill are conveniently leaving out a key word of this bill, 'ILLEGAL'. I find it hard to put any weight on statements made by people who don't even know what it says. I've gotten lots of real-time media coverage on this issue, and considering the majority of protestors here at the capital were not even voting age, that should tell you something. School-skippers and pre-schoolers. Next time you see one of these 'community' leaders giving their speech, see how often 'illegal' is mentioned. Rare, if ever. These people know nothing, just want to stir things up. Read it, then state FACTS.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH SOME OF YOU PEOPLE?
WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?
THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS....JUST HUMAN RIGHTS. AND, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO SHIP THEM BACK WHERE THEY CAME FROM. THEY ARE INFRINGING ON OUR RIGHTS.....GET THEM OUT OF HERE. WE HAVE PLENTY OF IMMIGRANTS THAT COME HERE LEGALLY, AND I RESPECT THEM FOR THAT. THESE PEOPLE ARE ILLEGAL, AND NEED TO BE SENT BACK TO MEXICO, RUSSIA, ARGENTINA, OR WHERE EVER IT IS THAT THEY CAME HERE FROM ILLEGALY. EVERY MAN, WOMEN, AND CHILD THAT BROKE OUR LAWS HAS NO RIGHT TO BE HERE.
Thanks, chuck, for proving that you make stuff up.
I'm just curious if all the above posters have actually read the bill. If not you may read it from http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/su... .
I believe that the bill means well to address the problem of illegal immigration and I generally agree with the language it contains except for a few, which are too vague for my taste. Laws ought to be as specific as possible to avoid misinterpretation and possible abuse. The one that gets me the most is the fist item listed under Provisions Enforcement. It states: "Requires a reasonable attempt to be made to determine the immigration status of a person during any legitimate contact made by an official or agency of the state or a county, city, town or political subdivision (political subdivision) if reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the U.S." What does "reasonable suspicion" mean? Does that mean that the Report Writers in every Police Station get to question my immigration status when I file a police report since I'm neither Caucasian nor African American? Filing a police report is an official, legitimate contact by the mentioned agencies. They need to spell out "reasonable suspicion" to avoid cases of racial profiling. Now if they would say instead that ANYONE (caps for emphasis, not exclamation) making contact with Gov't agencies will need to verify their citizenship/immigration status, then I think it's fair. I wouldn't want to be carrying my US Passport just to be in AZ but I don't mind as long as everyone's doing the same. I'm proud to be a US Citizen and will do my part to protect the country but we should not move backwards and undo the progress made by past generations with regards to civil liberty and non discrimination.
The problem that some of you folks above don't seem to grasp is that human beings cannot be "illegal." That is probably why community leaders don't use the term.
I guess the Future democratic voters are going to protest, They have entered our country Illegally PERIOD, why don't we use Mexico's laws for Illegals, Read them and you will wonder why we dont, They dont put up with BS like we do. Jail Time PERIOD
I'm on the side that says if you want citizenship, you get in line behind everyone else who busted their behinds to get it done through proper, established means. That being said, how many of you, many years ago, were complaining about the illegal "problem" before that population became large enough to cause concern? Were you complaining about the cheaper produce and the like? Or was that illegal hiring practice okay only when it served your purposes? And I'll be fair; I did not do any complaining about it. But isn't it a bit two-faced for many people to be okay with it when it's not a population threat and then turn around and decry it once it stops being convenient? Or is that also part of proper American values?
urging President Barack Obama to enforce federal immigration laws. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid responded, saying Republicans have blocked attempts by Democrats to reform immigration.
Blame Game, The Republicans know they Vote Democratic, so why would they oppose it, Harry should be out of office. What a disgrace to NV
I love it how people who say this country was founded on immigration and how "illegals" have a right to be here from that "logic". The first part is very true and is what makes America so great. The part that's so conveniently left out is the LEGAL process that those LEGAL immigrants went through to become a LEGAL citizen of the United States. Are we getting the common theme of Legality here? Immigration isn't the issue; it's the dismissal of laws that are
Great Law ! All the rest of the States should adopt similar laws!
Forget Illegal Aliens sneaking in the country and stealing all the benefits from our hard earned taxes. I suggest we deport anybody who doesn't have ancestry in the US before 1950. The country is overpopulated as it is, and if we just let ALL of Mexico and China sneak in from their third world countries and invade the US, then we will probably become the same third world places from which they invaded from.
We need this also for Nevada.It is time to stand up for our rights. Enough is enough. Illegal is still Illegal no matter how much they whine or try to cover it up.
I have yet to read a valid argument from the Protesters other then they don't want to go back to Mexico, Their life in America is so much better, Where they get jobs free from taxation, unless they go on the black market and STEAL a S.S. card from a legal American, They get free medical care, financially over burdening the hospitals we as legal citizens pay for, Over burdening our Children's classrooms with Spanish speaking kids that make it more difficult for our legal children to get a quality education. I'm sick of having to accommodate their language, by pressing one for English and press two for Spanish, Not being able to order food in a drive through without having to say " I'm sorry, I didn't understand you " I'm sick of seeing a Mexican woman walking 4 kids in tow and pregnant, dirty diapers and corona beer bottles strewn on the grass in the park within feet of a garbage can, I'm sick of seeing a drunk Mexican man, or woman allowing her child to pee in public view in the parking lot of a Walmart. I'm sick of seeing street corner vendors selling tacos and hot dogs, and waving down people to wash their vehicles, and the ones that push the little carts down residential streets selling tamales that I'm sure isn't Clark county health Dept approved. I'm sick of seeing 15 men waiting on the sidewalk, for someone to give them a job at the local Home Depot, or Star Nursery. I'm sick of seeing the same people letting their children run wild, and throw tantrums at 11 pm in Wal Mart when children should be in bed asleep. Send them back to Mexico, where they can FIGHT THEIR GOVT for a better quality of living NOT OURS
OH HOW I MISS SISTER O'LEARY
Sister O'Leary was my history teacher when I was in junior high school and on occasion she would rise up and give us a fire and brimstone about the importance of remembering history. Often, she would catch me daydreaming and would give me good whack across the knuckles and state, youngman let you forget, history can be a mean teacher. I thought to myself nothing or anyone could be a meaner teacher than she.
Before, I make my point I wish to inform everyone I do understand the difference between Illegal and Legal citizens.
My issue with this whole arguement is that until we do a root cause analysis of the problem, we will never solve the problem.
For those of you who are complaining about the crime level, where were you doing the early 1980's when my "SISTERS AND BROTHERS" of another mother were screaming at the current Administration at that time about the crime and drug trade in their communities.
Their cries fell silently on the ears of that Administration as Oliver North continued his arms for drug trade during the Iran-Contra scandal. They flooded those communities with drugs and violence that almost erased a whole generation of Blacks.
Those of you who are complaining about the MS13, who do you think trained them on how to apply their trade, "WE DID". Free trade, suppy side economics right...cut down on shipping cost when we can move the operations from Columbia and Peru to Mexico.
Remember that amnesty granted during the Reagan Administration, those Illegal Columbians and Peruvans where allowed to become citizens and corrupt the Mexican Government.
SISTER O'LEARY WAS RIGHT, HISTORY CAN BE A MEAN TEACHER.
The purpose of SB1070 seems pretty clear - it's to allow local police to enforce immigration laws. For example, at present if an illegal immigrant is involved in a vehicular accident and is at fault, the cop can't detain the offender and initiate deportation procedures. The illegal immigrant, while not in possession of a drivers license and auto insurance is let go and the victim is left feeling unfair. With this law, the cops will detain the said immigrant and deport accordingly. 1070 is mostly good except they need to make it really specific on when law enforcement can and can't check immigration status.
@myforte
And you know those people you are so "sick" of are in this country illegally how? See inside of their pocket did you? Looked at their passport and visa stamp? You wouldn't just assume, would you?
OMG - I am a legal citizen and I have NO problem showing an officer my ID that gives proof of citizenship. I will not die and it is not a big inconvenience to show my ID. Get over it.
@Thisoneguy Is your post meant to say you are in denial that this ISN'T the reality of their presence and behavior ? The examples are general, but TRUTH nonetheless.
Yes we need immigration reforms to include the following.
1- Protect and defend the border
2- Fine employers severely when they hire illegal aliens. AND DOUBLE THE FINES EACH TIME THE SAME EMPLOYER DOES HIRE ILLEGALS.
3 Put in place a path to citizenship so that people can become legalized.
STOP THIS NONSENSE OF CHECKING ID'S and recognize that we need to right a wronged policy that has gone on for many years.
If people cannot find work they will go home. All this immigration is only for one purpose ECONOMICS>
@myforte
We have all witnessed bad behavior, all around the valley, but I fail to understand how you KNOW for a fact (as opposed to assuming or prejudging) that the anecdotes you are describing are the result of illegal immigration.
Do you assume that they are illegal because most of the people that you notice doing these things are brown skinned?
I am not in denial about anything. I am saying that simply because something LOOKS a certain way to YOU, your assumptions about the causation may not be correct. What you are engaging in is a typical error of logic called a logical fallacy.
You are angry, and I understand that - times are tough - but history shows us that turning the most vulnerable parts of society into scapegoats usually results from fear and misunderstanding, and the result of doing so can be dangerous.
I movin to AZ. Love the law!!!! As a law abiding citizen I want to live in a state where it is illegal to be there illegally, and enforced. It is nice to have a society that believes in the law, instead of an illegal invasion of our country. They should lock that border down and put snipers along there. It would solve a lot of problems such as: illegals being abused, illegals being used as drug mules, illegals killing legal citizens, illegals being paid illegal wages, illegals going to our schools illegaly, illegals using our taxpayer dollars to pay for their food, education, mediacl, care, and the hits just keep on coming.. there must be a hundred laws broken by every single person that enters this country illegaly, go figure.
I am also going to vacation in Arizona. It is going to be great...
Good points - I want to move to Arizona!
Looks like a lot of folks here care nothing about the Constitution.
Well Mr Justoneguy ~ Like the saying goes, If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it must be a duck, The "Anecdotes" that I mentioned ARE the result of a group of people who hail from an poverty stricken country, one of which 60% of the population are poor, with no means of sufficient Govt supported health, housing, educational or financial services, These people are the illegal immigrants who SNEAK and are SMUGGLED ILLEGALLY into America for a better life, to take advantage of the services, that are provided and entitled to us as legal citizens, by the way of the taxes that are taken out of our HARD earned paychecks. the majority of Illegals are a socially inept class of people who are uneducated to a higher standard of living as the result of the environment of their upbringing. therefore it is very easy to pick them out of a crowd, as mentioned in the examples I gave earlier. here's a another. 9 people living in a $450.00 a month one bedroom apt, 6 of them children. Futher more, I at one time, had compassion for them, until I realized how much of a financial burden they are really costing the U.S.citizen. Let them revolt against their own Govt for a better life, rather then come here and take away ours.
While were on a roll here, Lets check THIS OUT
dated 4/26/2010 from the U.S. Dept of state Bureau of Consular Affairs ( Washington D.C. ) Google it
Travel warning Re: Violence along the U.S. Mexico Border
Mexican drug cartels are engaged in violent conflict - both among themselves and with Mexican security services - for control of narcotics trafficking routes along the U.S.-Mexico border. To combat violence, the Government of Mexico has deployed military troops throughout the country. U.S. citizens should cooperate fully with official checkpoints when traveling on Mexican highways.
A number of areas along the border continue to experience a rapid growth in crime. Robberies, homicides, petty thefts, and carjackings have all increased over the last year across Mexico, with notable spikes in Chihuahua, Sinaloa, and northern Baja California. Ciudad Juarez, Tijuana and Nogales are among the cities that have experienced public shootouts during daylight hours in shopping centers and other public venues. Criminals have followed and harassed U.S. citizens traveling in their vehicles in border areas including Nuevo Laredo, Matamoros, and Tijuana. Travelers on the highways between Monterrey and other parts of Mexico to the United States (notably through Nuevo Laredo and Matamoros) have been targeted for robbery and violence and have also inadvertently been caught in incidents of gunfire between criminals and Mexican law enforcement. Such incidents are more likely to occur at night but may occur at any time.
Do I ( WE ) want this in OUR COUNTRY ??? HELL NO
Just a question to all the pro 'no documentation required' posters. Do your ideologies also give an open door policy to our dear friends in the middle east.Or are you selective about your illegals?
Just a question to all the pro-Juan Crow folks here: Isn't your ideology all about "freedom"? What about that free market? Wouldn't a truly free market mean a free flow of labor across borders?
The teabagger wingnuts are hypocrites, plain and simple. They claim support for "free markets", but pursue these policies... Which don't really do anything, since they don't address companies hiring undocumented workers. They claim support for The Constitution, but they never even read it, don't know what The Bill of Rights is (since they supported GW Bush trampling all over it), and now support this unconstitutional Arizona law that clearly violates the 4th Amendment (no unreasonable search & seizure).
Throughout this still far-from-unfinished 2010, the GOoPers have been exposing themselves as hypocrites. And now, they're doing it more than ever with this blatantly racist SB 1070. I hope they're ready to lose some more in November when they (re)awaken the sleeping Latin@ political giant.
Oh, and I cancelled my summer trip in Arizona and I'm not planning to spend any money there until SB 1070 is repealed or overturned.
If the illegals boycott Arizona, then the situation will have solved itself. I think I'll plan a spending trip to Arizona real soon!
Another sun article mentioning what the minority of people, many illegal who do nit support the bill. Why doesn't the sun mention that the majority of Americans support the bill. We are the ones who pay the taxes to subsidize the education, welfare and healthcare of illegals. Yes a anchor baby is qualified for welfare which the the parents spend. We can't afford it anymore. Why aren't we heard.
I just got back from Kingman, They told me to go back to Nevada, AND BE GONE BY sunset OR I GO TO jail. Something needs to be done !
The strut1702 is correct...
70 percent (70%) of the citizens of Arizona support the bill SB1070.
60 percent (60) of the citizens of the United States support the billSB1070.
It comes down to that:
Liberals support amnesty -
Conservatives oppose amnesty -
74 percent of Nevada's Democrats SUPPORT offering amnesty to illegal immigrants, while 20 percent oppose.
79 percent of Nevada's Republicans OPPOSE offering amnesty to illegal immigrants, while 14 percent support."
gypc_dave -
""supporters of the law ... say it is necessary to protect Arizonans from a litany of crimes committed by illegal immigrants"
Utter nonsense. Statistics clearly show that most crime in this country is committed by white people who were born here."
Following the link you provided, I don't understand your statement. There is no "Hispanic" race. Under the crime statistics you point to, Hispanics fall into one of the races listed.
From answers.com: Hispanics may be Caucasian (descended from Europeans), Black (descended from African slaves), Indian (descended from Native Americans) or Mestizo (descended from a mixture of the above).
Racial profiling is a misnomer in this instance. Nationality profiling is actually what is being discussed.
I want this law in Nevada. We need it. I would love to see the day when known illegal aliens are not allowed to stay in the US. They all need to go!
Open markets does NOT mean open borders. When the constitution says, "people" it means lawful residents. It does NOT refer to any human being within our borders, regardless of how they got there. Any person on US soil illegally is a criminal and should be treated as such regardless of their individual situations.
Legal immigrants don't support illegal immigrants!
- Legal immigrants don't want to compete for jobs with illegal immigrants.
- Legal immigrants followed rules and waited in line to obtain their green cards. They find it uncivil for illegal immigrants to jump the line.
Should illegal immigrants also have a right to skip lines at DMV, banks and stores while everyone else is waiting?
- Legal immigrants are not all Mexicans and don't appreciate Mexicans discriminating against other nations who cannot cross borders so easily. All nations should be treated equally regardless how far they are from the US border. That's what the legal immigration process is for.
- Legal immigrants demand from "Reform Immigration for America" to stop brainwashing legal immigrants or pretending that most legal immigrants support illegal immigrants. "Reform Immigration for America" is a sham.
somebody...Well said
If Nevada would jump on the band wagon, we'd all be happy. Just think no more porno cards on the strip flapped at ya. C'mon Gibbons show us what ya got, you might get re elected.
You can count me among those who will make every effort to spend money in Arizona. Good job, AZ!
If citizens of Latin descent would stop bemoaning the lack of "rights" for those who choose to start their life in this country as criminals, they, and all of us, would be better off.
Do Latin-Americans not realize that it's racist to praise a criminal just because of the color of his skin.
Hang in there Arizona. Don't let Obama and Reid push you around. They are just looking for votes as good Democrats do...
Yep, I always suspected that most people who post on here haven't got a clue about the Constitution. Then I read a thread like this and my suspicions have been verified as correct.
Freedom isn't free. And, those who cannot live by our laws - illegal or just plain trash - need to leave. It's time to clean up Nevada and the rest of the country. Let me give you clear definitions if you are not welcome in Nevada.
1) You consume/peddle illegal drugs? Leave.
2) You think its okay to beat up or bully others? Leave.
3) You think it's okay to abuse/molest children? Leave.
4) You think it is okay to break laws because you can? (Corporations, politicians, etc., included.) Leave.
And, this is just the beginning of the list.
Maybe Arizona and its governor should be given medals for courage!! If you love your country, then it is worth fighting for the principles and the laws upon which it was founded!!! If not, then please - L-E-A-V-E.
I wish Nevada would pass this bill. 470,000 illegal Mexicans running around in Arizona alone. Just think how many are running around the whole country. Nevada has enough illegal Mexicans here and we don't need anymore. There is enough illegal Mexicans on the Vegas strip handing out their porn cards. Hang in their Arizona, they want to boycott your state, be happy because maybe they will go elsewhere.(Hopefully not Nevada) Nevada its time for you to take action against the illegal Mexicans in your state. Be prepared because I am sure they will wander over to Nevada because of the law. Hopefully they will slither back to Mexico where they belong. Get going and don't look back!!
Myforte:
I agree with you 100 percent with your comment above. Come to Chicago and you will see the same thing. They have their food and ice cream carts going down the street on every corner with no permit and bathroom facilities. The worse is they have no way to wash their hands, and God only knows where they have had their hands. Walk in a Aldi food store there is a Mexican women in front of me, her belly down to her knees(Another baby)3 kids hanging on to her and what does she pull out to pay her bill, a LINK CARD(courtesy of the government)Only in America can this garbage happen. I'm sure in another 9 months her drunken husband will come have a Corona or two and hammer her again and then fall asleep. Count will be 5 and growing and put more money on the LINK CARD. God help this country!!
History lesson here folks...Boycotts don't work.
What part of illegal don't you morons understand???????
Time for Nevada to adopt Arizona's law. It's the only way the spineless hacks in DC will actually do anything serious on border security -- backed into a corner, with no easy way out.
Vette--you sure know everything about everyone just by looking at them. According to you "these people" are dirty, illegal, drunken wife-beaters, etc. etc. and in reality you don't know anything specific about these individuals. I'd hate to have your attitude.
I don't understand what you all are complaining about with this new law? How do Border Patrol Agents do their jobs? Why are you not complaining how they enforce the law and protesting them for racially profiling? The ARIZONA law mirrors the FEDERAL IMIGRATION LAW. It is worded the same!!!!! It is the same law that the FEDS use. There is no problem with this.
WAKE UP and get out of this country if you are illegal.
My brother overstayed his visit in Costa Rica by 2 months and he was put in jail and sent back to the states. He did not complain about being RACIALLY PROFILED for being white in a Latin country.... he knew he was in the wrong and took it like a man.
icy1007
Free markets would, in fact, mean open borders: the free movement of labor, capital and goods.
Immigration is that spot where laissez faire economic types and social conservatives get to butt heads.
I hope the we don't get an influx of undocumented aliens in Nevada as a result of this AZ bill. While I support the intention off 1070, I feel that it's execution is slightly misguided. It will be like dumping your trash on your neighbor's yard, not that I think of these aliens as trash but I couldn't think of a better analogy. This bill needs to be implemented nationwide or not at all.
I thought LarryVegas was going to change his name to ChickenHawk? He posted it I swear, or did he delete? It is interesting how so many people are posting about the Hispanic babies that they do not want to see. I agree, just like the Duggers! Stop having so many kids people, oh I guess unless you are white then we give you a T.V. Show and praise you for doing what is in God's plan. Yes many Hispanics have large families. It comes from the many years past of the Catholic church stating birth control is a sin. But I guess if you are Mormon and white it is ok with everyone. I think if you actually had to prove your legal status on a daily basis you might actually see why this is nothing but a racist act. Too bad Sedona, we had a nice trip planned this year but I don't have the desire or energy to be detained in my own country, born and raised just because you don't like the color of my skin. Read your history people, especially WWII. And if you are a person of color and think this could never happen to you, well the Japanese thought that too until they took away their homes, businesses and money. Then they placed them in camps right here on US soil. Nothing was ever restored or returned. Don't let this happen again. This is not about being a citizen. It is about people's dark hearts and true racism showing through.I wonder how many that have posted such racist rants consider themselves Christians too. What would Jesus do? Not what Arizona did.
This problem can be fixed in many easy ways! 1) American citizens should get together to protest in city hall against this people taking our jobs.I am a union construction worker and its packed with people that are illegal. The funny thing is that some of them have jobs, while we collect unemployment.I guess the government likes to pay unemployment!!!!!!!!! 2)Governor gibbons should make E-verify a law here in nevada and if a employer is caught hiring illegals, fine them with $50,000 for every person!!
Hey FogHorn...
It is illegal for a law enforcement officer to pull over anyone for the sole purpose to ask them about their citizenship or anything else.
There must be probable cause before you can be stopped...
So all of you Amnesty Liberals quit trying to scare people about racial profiling...
America has a long history of racial-profiling with intent to punish -- sentencing Native Americans to reservations, Blacks to slave labor, Orientials to concentration camps - all under the ruse of justice.
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Dear Mr Foghorn :
It is awfully crass of you to assume that everyone who posts in this forum is White and Mormon, You bring up religious reasoning for why Mexicans have countless children, but you fail to recognize and acknowledge the huge problem associated with having kids when you are poor and cant support them, that makes these children our problem when the parents come to America Illegally knowing full well they can birth a child here FOR FREE in OUR hard earned paycheck supported hospitals, they can also qualify for aid through again OUR HARD EARNED PAYCHECK SUPPORTED SERVICES. This is why their children are referred to as ANCHOR BABIES.
You also state " If you had to prove your legal status on a daily basis, You would see why this is nothing but a racist act" Legal Americans carry their state Identification in the form of a drivers license, or State issued I.D. Card, 24/7, If we legals break a law, no matter how minor, it is a fine under the Nevada "Stop and identify law. One of the bills provisions is creating a misdemeanor crime for failing to carry alien registration documents, that allow officers to arrest immigrants unable to show documents proving their legal residence.
460,000 Illegal immigrants is not strength in numbers, its a serious problem that should have been addressed a long time ago, My question to the Anti supporters of this bill is this, What is YOUR SOLUTION to this problem ? I see there is a awful lot of whining and complaining in the guise of civil rights being violated, discrimination of color, racial profiling, Etc. but no solutions.
I am in support of this law for the following reasons as stated by Sen Russell Pearce of Arizona " the bill is needed to help Arizona deal with rampant crime. Citing the recent killing of local rancher Robert Krentz by a suspected illegal immigrant " He further states : "When do we stand up for Americans and America? Enough is enough," "Arizona has become ground zero. We're number two in the world in kidnapping. ... We're not taking it anymore. We're going to enforce our laws, with compassion."
If there are 460,000 Illegal immigrants living in Arizona, and those people are deported and or boycott Arizona, Just think how the quality of living will go up for the LEGAL citizens of Arizona. I may need to look at buying property there.
"If you aren't part of the solution, You are part of the problem "
U.S. immigration enforcement has been a joke, and this state's leaders finally did the right thing and took matters into their own hands. More than 10% of all persons living in Arizona, an estimated 583,000, are in this country illegally. This robs the rightful, tax paying citizens of job opportunities, overcrowds the public school systems and jails, puts stress on medical facilities, and has brought an influx of drug trafficking and other crime into the state. No one is against reasonable, legal, and organized immigration, but we are tired of playing tiddlywinks with the subject of illegal aliens invading this country along our southern border. We are not facing an illegal immigration problem of Canadians coming across the border into America. If law enforcement is to have a chance in combating this crisis, they must focus on people of Latino ethnicity.
And all Hispanic American CITIZENS should be supporting this law in order to protect the United States of America
I think there's also a human rights aspect to this debate. Imagine the children these illegal aliens who are innocent and shouldn't be blamed with any of these. They can be abused, molested, etc. and their undocumented parents will have no choice but to no report it to the police for fear of deportation. This is just one example of how these people will be taken advantaged of. Anyone who thinks that the raping of children regardless of their immigration status doesn't deserve any protection given to them by our very laws.
ITJoe... I believe that it is the parents obligation to their children to keep them safe from harm.
Parents who are illegal aliens always have a choice to return to the country of their citizenship to avoid having their children being abused.
ITJoe sounds like an Amnesty Liberal who is trying to use scare tactics to justify his position on amnesty...
Thank you for your response LarryVegas. I'm not really a political type of person and rarely speak my mind. I simply find this topic interesting and decided to register yesterday to put my 2 cents in. There are many arguments to both sides of this issue and I feel that it needs to be discussed thoroughly to explore the possibilities of how things can be improved. You must agree though that there may very well be pedophiles in AZ cheering for this bill. I don't care for amnesty and much rather just deport everyone who's not here legally but I feel that there needs to be provisions to protect against common sense things like what I mentioned.
Can't wait to visit Arizona again next winter. Month by month and year by year Arizona will get the illegal alien situation under control. If they waited for the Feds, the job would never get done.
Dear Mr Itjoe: Welcome to the board, now to respond to your post.
Your spin on the human rights issue is based solely on the possible abuse of the children of Illegals, And that the parents being ILLEGAL are less apt to contact authorities in fear or being deported, So, uh, hum, you are saying the parents knowing full well their child is being abused, would rather the child endure the abuse, rather then face the possibility of being deported, and protecting their children ? If your claim here is that the children of Illegals are more prone to abuse, because they are Illegal, Then this is all the more reason why this bill NEEDS to be passed, To protect, and ensure the welfare of the children UNDER THE LAW.
By the way Pedophiles, and child abusers don't discriminate.
I don't like going to Arizona anyway (too many people of Latin American Heritage down there) I'm going to vacation in Maine.
Re: The Reader poll
As interesting as it may be to see the results, It can not be deemed as a valid indicator of public opinion, because the poll can easily be manipulated by refreshing your screen and voting more then once.
@Myforte. Thank you sir. I so happy to see many intelligent posters here. I guess your explanation does make sense. It's true that parents, illegal or otherwise should be held accountable for their children. I just don't know if we can trust them (illegals) to do the right things since they're obviously not doing the right thing in the first place by living in our country undocumented. Who knows what level of wrongness they're willing to tolerate. At the very least, I'm glad that 1070 is generating this much attention and hopefully becomes the catalyst to broader solutions.
Hey mr ed... You vacationing in Maine instead of Arizona is a gain to Arizona and a loss to Maine.
Mr ed made me say that...
JW456:
I'm not saying I know everything but its not hard to figure it out. Come to Chicago where we have the same problem and I'll take you on a tour of their neighborhoods and give me your expert opinion. I have a good attitude and I am sure I am not the only one out there that feels this way. Enforce the laws and maybe my attitude will get better. Maybe thats their way of living in Mexico or better yet their culture but it sure is not the american culture of living.
as an american citizen of puerto rican descent, i too agree that something must be done about this immigration catastrophe, there's not one day where i don't see a "new" mexican restaurant or see these obvious mexicans driving these big trucks with mexico on their back window. i hardly see any buisnesses run or managed by english speaking americans.also the tellers at the bank are all bi-lingual latinos , the grocery stores predominantly advertise in spanish i don't get it. this is America, if i where in Puerto Rico i'll be speaking spanish, i don't understand how the government is allowing themselves to be overturned.some may say well your're latina, well first of i'm here legally born and raised, i was taught to love this country like no other, and i'm tired of working and paying taxes for some 15 year old that just crossed the border to have a baby and live off the welfare system.i fear though that it's too late now.this is not the same America to me anymore.
Why I am a huge fan of MRED!!!! He has good taste in his states. I am from Maine and we have a huge influx of African Immigrants. Arizona is just the beginning.....it will be a matter of time before blacks are required to show their papers before they are detained......
http://www.newsweek.com/id/180035
You know you're in a "good" state if you go to an ATM and it doesnt prompt you for "English" or "Spanish".
I know that is true in Alaska. Can't think of any others at the moment.
It is already a crime for people to be in this country illegally--the AZ law, thank God, just enforces it more meaningfully. Illegal immigration is an assault on America's sovereignty and our State budget. The estimated cost in NV for illegal aliens for 2010 is $950Million; our deficit is $887+Million. Do the math. States have to enact legislation to protect its people's jobs, retirement pensions and education. If Nev. continues on its current path, the annual cost per year by 2020 will be $l.2Billion. Do you want to live in a 3rd world country? And don't feel too sorry for these folks, many work for Cash, no taxes paid, and send over $23B in retmittances back to Mexico each year. Legal immigration currently admits over 1million permanent residents every year. This is equivalent to adding a city the size of Dallas, straining our education, healthcare, communities and overall infrastructure. Both legal and especially illegal immigration must be stopped--right now you all should be hollering at your representatives for a moratorium until our economy gets better. Illegals are loyal only to their home country; they broke our law by entering illegally, even with the encouragement of their home country and no one should receive any entitlements or benefits for breaking the law. Not ever!
I will spend more money and do more business in AZ this year!
You goof-ball liberal dems don't spend money, you spend your welfare and food stamps.
Report Writers in every Police Station get to question my immigration status when I file a police report since I'm neither Caucasian nor African American?
Why not? Is that no different than having a police officer do a background check any time a driver is pulled over? Immigrants are against this law because it gives authorites the opportunity to identify who is illegal and who is not. No filthy immigrant is going to tell me what I can or can't do in my own country. If they are guilty, authorites need to take whatever measures necessary to send them back and ensure they don't return.
Why aren't these protesters working? Are they collecting unemployment benefits? They should be checked by the police to see if they are receiving checks.
Instead of Vegas I think we'll go to Arizona for our next vacation.
My friends and family that lean to the right constantly tell me that the USA is a Christian Nation founded on christian beliefs. As I read the new testament I read about love, love of God and love of my neighbor. I read that God is love and love is what I should aspire to have in my heart.
How can people on the right hate their fellow man so much that they can brand them as illegal?
I really don't get the hate.
RSN, You are NOT making sense at all. It is not about hate or disliking anyone. It is about the laws of this country. People who come to this country need to do it LEGALLY!
Look at other countries and their policies. They do NOT allow people to remain in their countries ILLEGALLY.
There are citizens in this country who need help and our resources need to help our people first. Do you disagree with that?
if i were to step foot on marked federal owned land that says "no tresspassing" i would be ARRESTED.
these illegal scumbuckets will be constantly coming in this country until they realize that we will find them and actually do something about them. then the word will get out and they will slow down. they are not citizens of this nation and they are not entitled to jack s***t that we have to offer.
what part of this concept does the government not understand? ok, racial profiling...well, if most of the illegals in arizona are MEXICAN based off of STATISTICS, how is it profiling? its a FACT. if they do not kick these scumbags out of our country independent groups eventually will.
Long Island, NY mainly in suffolk county there are constant beatings of day laborers and other illegals. while i think its brutal and cruel, i dont blame these people for doing it. Suffolk county PD sent a group of officers to EL SALVADOR to learn about their gangs that move there ILLEGALLY! so instead of kicking these sacks of crap out of our country they decide how to police them HERE instead??? while its great to learn how they operate, if they were kicked out a lot sooner maybe they wouldnt need that training.
kick these scumbags out. take that racial profiling concept thing and shove it where the sun dont shine. any latino LEGAL immigrant i speak to are proud to be here and DESPISE their own kind that move here illegally. i dont care if their kid was born here, deport the kid too they should not have citizenship based on where it popped out on my dime. send the leech back to where their parents need to be shipped off to.
these latino groups should support the bill, encourage the LEGAL folks to accept that police may be asking them questions, and if they are ABUSIVE about it then REPORT their issues to help TRAIN the police better...maybe too it will encourage latinos to help police to find illegals. the latino community is a very close community and knows a lot about what goes on in it regardless of it being stuff they want to know about and stuff they dont like, etc....maybe they can use this to assist police in finding the real illegals.
but no, these stupid activists just wanna cry racial profiling as an excuse. these activist groups are just as ignorant as a vocal racist screaming out racial words at people. instead of looking at the laws and truths of it they just wanna whine to defend their actions to be here illegally...maybe these groups should be arrested with some form of OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE!!! they are the racist ones as they only see one "color" and its their own, they dont see what truly goes on in the world and do not evaluate it. arrest them too for obstructing law enforcement.
id move to arizona and support its efforts if i could. maybe i can someday, who knows. regardless, i think they are doing the right thing and other southern border states should follow.
It looks like the Schwarzeneggers and Kennedys will be boycotting AZ.
I don't think Arizona will be too broken-hearted over their boycott.
I might just have to go to AZ this year to support them.
Somehow there seems to be a communication problem with some readers on this board. ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION means just that. People are confusing RACIAL hatred with this AZ law going into effect. My husband is an immigrant who went thru the proper process of becoming a LEGAL United States Citizen. He went thru all the proper and LEGAL channels. Why should the illegal immigrants be granted amnesty? What makes them special? Will the government give back the $$$ they took from us for yrs worth of waiting? I think not. My husband can pass for a Mexican in this country, but he isn't. Many Mexican's stop him and start talking to him in Spanish. But he has no problem if this law came to Nevada and he was stopped by police for whatever reason. If you can prove your here legally, then no problems right? Can an American go into another country and stay there illegally? No way. This is my proposal: For every illegal immigrant found on United States property, fine that person's country and ship them back. This isn't a hate issue, so people stop confusing the term ILLEGAL with HATRED, it just isn't so.
I for one am against Arizona's law.
First it will cause tens of thousands of illegals to move to Las Vegas.
When the law goes into effect there will be no more protests in Arizona but more beano's marching in Las Vegas.
Even Utah allows illegals to get a "special" illegal drivers license....opps, that means when they pass their law they will know where to find the illegals. So then their illegals will move to Las Vegas.
I am against the Arizona law. I am for a Nevada illegal enforcement law, that means you Mo!
THANK YOU Arizona for having the stones to do what our federal government and politicians havent had the backbone to do about this.
They are all too worried about offending the hispanic vote and losing potential voters instead of doing THE RIGHT THING and trying to stop this. Enough is enough already.
Boycott the state all you want.. no one really cares. May I suggest a hunger strike next?
WOW... Think about vacationing in Arizona without having to run into the Schwarzeneggers and Kennedys.
Maybe all the bleeding heart Amnesty Liberals will move back to California.
I foresee busloads of illegals leaving Arizona for their new home in Searchlight...
Sigtwenty gets the award for most in denial racist.
The irony of supposedly American "patriots" espousing fascist tactics would make me laugh if it was not so disturbing.
no denial racist here. illegal is illegal no matter what you race is. if a white man comes to the country illegally then he too should be deported.
If they passed an amnesty law would you accept the new citizens as Americans?
"Ah, we might zip up to Reno for a couple a days in de Spring, bud, not with ahll dese snows and horruble winds! They give Maria the heebee jeebeez."
@sigtwenty...agreed, illegal is illegal and they all should be deported (regardless of race). But the question is, in order to achieve this illegal immigrant free nation, are you prepared to show your proof of citizenship during "routine" traffic stops, and how many times a month are you willing to put up with it, before crying foul and calling a lawyer?
ThisOneGuy said " If they passed an amnesty law would you accept the new citizens as Americans? "
My answer " NO ". If the government passed that law all the legal immigrants would be pissed and demand all the monies they put into being LEGAL. It's not going to happen FREE AMNESTY.
Time for a nice evening stroll in Juarez.
I'm not asking if you want it (amnesty) to happen, or even if you think it is going to happen. I am asking you this: if an amnesty law was passed today would you accept the new citizens as Americans?
Lanthinide you are incorrect in your reference to the term race as used in your comment. A race describes the citizens of a countries ancestry. when we talk about another countries citizens we are talking about their nationality. There is a difference.
To answer your question ThisOneGuy " NO " because they did not earn the right to amnesty or go thru the proper channels for it. It was handed to them on a silver platter. Oh I forgot, illegals get everything handed to them on a silver platter ( health care, welfare, housing etc )...silly me.
Larry5 have you forgotten about the 15 to 20 million illegals in our country breaking federal immigration laws?
So you don't actually care if someone is here legally or not, you have OTHER parameters you need met before you consider someone a "true" American.
And those parameters are what? The citizenship process as it is written today? or five years ago? Or 25 years ago?
4th amendment:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
The most well-known definition of probable cause is "a reasonable belief that a person has committed a crime".
A police officer does not have the authority to arrest someone for refusing to identify himself when he is not suspected of committing a crime. (From Wiki)
So is Arizona simply stating that looking "illegal" is a crime or reason for probable cause?
This is more then a just an "illegal immigrant" thing, the citizens of Arizona, and anyone passing thru the state, are being asked to surrender thier 4th amendment rights.
Remember the first part of the amendment??
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated"
Question: Does the US Constitution apply only to citizens?
Answer: No, the rights of both citizens and non-citizens are protected by the US Constitution. However, there are some right specifically reserved for citizens, such as the right to a Federal job and to vote.
In actuality, the Constitution doesn't apply to "citizens," nor does it even apply to "people." It applies to the government. It tells the government what it can and can't do (the body tells the government what it can do, and the Bill of Rights tells it what it can't do).
Immigration rules are administrative ones, and are mandated by Congress, not the courts.
Why can't anyone see that this law is manipulating the 4th ammendment set forth by our forefathers?
When a body driving a car is stopped by the police he is asked for his drivers license. If he is an immigrant he has to be carring his greencard or visa card papers on his self at all times. Does any one have a problem with understanding that. I do not know Spanish so you'll only get English.
fremmasmind:
That's only if one is stopped while driving. This law doesn't state that it is only people who are driving who may be asked to prove their citizenship.
In any other circumstance, citizens aren't required to prove they are citizens to police officers. Citizens are not required to carry ID.
I am not sure what Shannon is saying...
U.S. Citizens are not required to carry proof of citizenship, but they can be asked to orally declare their citizenship...
If you are not in the U.S. illegally, then you have no problem...
LarryVegas:
An illegal alien can pretend to be a citizen by orally declaring their U.S. citizenship. How are you going to prove they are lying?
ThisOneGuy what difference does it make when there are 10-15 million illegal immigrants in the United States. Give amnesty to them all? Disregard the immigrants who went thru the proper channels to become a citizen? Hey I have an idea, how about you taking a trip into another country, and overstay your visa and see where that gets you. If you are still disagreeing with us after that, I'll applaud you.
Many of us agree that if it wasn't for the immigrants (almost everyone) the U. S. would not be what it is today (good or bad). Kicking everyone back to their original homeland would create chaos with the law enforcement agencies and it will set a bad precedent and taint the legacy of the U. S.
Many immigrants are hardworkers and come to the U. S. to make a living because their country did not provide for their needs, they work in jobs that you and I would not do, including picking fruit, working in the fields on cold or hot days, cleaning offices, removing spit from the drinking fountains, irrigating fields, washing out urinals and toilet bowls so we can enjoy life, but we don't give them enough credit or pay.
Maybe not amnesty but a revamp on the processes required to become a citizen. Instead of profiling and hearding people up and driving them to the border maybe we can educate them and make them into productive working citizens.
Not a true statement lowwater. My husband works outdoors in all kinds of weather on an everyday basis and he is a LEGAL IMMIGRANT. How do you know what legal immigrants or citizens would work for if not given the chance because some illegal immigrant took the job. Blame the employers who hire the illegals, not the people. Ask anyone who is unemployed right now whether they would take the same job an illegal has. Want to bet they would jump at it?
OMGzilla, if I commit a crime but no one sees me do it, and the police think I have probable cause to have done it, they could arrest me and detain me. No? Otherwise I could get away with it, correct? Same thing in this situation. If you have probable cause to think that someone out there is an illegal immigrant, detain them until proven otherwise. If you have no crime against you, no warrants out for an arrest, being illegal in this country etc, you have nothing to fear. Am I correct?
"Blame the employers who hire the illegals, not the people."
That's exactly where our focus should be. Additionally, I do think there should be a national ID card that everyone must have (and if that is unconstitutional, then an amendment needs to be added). That ID card should be required to conduct any kind of business, gain employment, rent or buy a place to live, bank, get a phone, etc. Something practical needs to be done to solve the problem, not something that tramples on the rights of American citizens while at the same time being ineffective.
So fedup, you wont answer my question. Your opinion of what qualifies someone to be a citizen obviously does not rely on potential legal definitions - and you won't say what your opinion actually is, so I'll just assume that your motives must be racially based.
"If you have probable cause to think that someone out there is an illegal immigrant, detain them until proven otherwise. If you have no crime against you, no warrants out for an arrest, being illegal in this country etc, you have nothing to fear. Am I correct?"
Thank you for just proving the argument that this law will absolutely use racial profiling. "Looking like an illegal immigrant" isn't probable cause.
...and when this happens omgzilla will be the first to lose his job to make room for the"new citizens"?
ShannonK I can see you are more worried about the illegals welfare than you are about our citizens lives. You should now plan to help these people out when they get here and open a business, Shannons two timing illegals workshop, but before you do that you might want to study our laws and Arizonas new immigration bill before you become an expert on this subject. Heck when you gain some intellegence on whats going on you might come back here and make some comments that make sense.
Too funny ThisOneGuy. Dang if i'm a racist, then apparently I must be one to my own husband. That no good *&%$#. Just trying to be funny too.
ShannonK What does being an illegal immigrant have to do with racial profiling?
If you feel so strongly about this, how about you hopping on a plane to Mexico, Afganistan, Africa, Europe, China, Japan, and overstay your visa and see where it gets you. If you still feel the same way after they catch you, I will applaud you. Deal?
I also want to add that when I went to my husbands country to give birth to my daughter, my three month visa expired. My husband went to get an extension on my visa. Why? Because he was told that if my visa wasn't extended and I got caught they would put me in prison. We went by the LAWS of that country and did the proper thing. Now why can't the illegals in this country do the same thing?
Shannon:
I bet with a little thought, you could come up with a bunch of questions that you could use in determining if someone was a U.S. citizen.
Most U.S. Citizens were born in the U.S. and went to school, joined the military, got married, had children and have a work history in the U.S. Also most U.S. Citizens are native English speakers...
ShannonK
"Thank you for just proving the argument that this law will absolutely use racial profiling. "Looking like an illegal immigrant" isn't probable cause."
Oh no? Dang, then all those people out there commiting crimes whom the police suspect and have probable cause to detain should let them all go because they are being " profiled " as a criminal.
fremmasmind: Where did I even imply "I can see you are more worried about the illegals welfare than you are about our citizens lives."? Good job making stuff up, though.
As to your comment about my "intellegence" (sic), well, that's just plain funny because you are the one who is demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge about our Constitution.
FedUp: Why all the talk about going to another country? Another country's laws have absolutely no bearing on what our own laws and Constitution say. I find it completely fascinating how it gets twisted that if you don't agree with this law you somehow love illegal aliens. Not one single person on this forum has said that, including me. I think it is a serious problem in this country, but this is a really asinine response to the problem and won't solve a darn thing.
LarryVegas:
LOL! Just because Americans don't bother to learn another language doesn't mean that folks from other countries can't speak English. That's priceless. Additionally, those folks also aren't stupid. I'm sure they are plenty smart enough to figure out a history for themselves...where they were born, school, how many people in their family, favorite t.v. show, where they've worked, and any number of other questions that wouldn't prove squat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_imm...
Wake up call to those who don't know it by now: we are a third world country.
You have me ROTFL Shannon. You say " Another country's laws have absolutely no bearing on what our own laws and Constitution say."
We do have laws, laws that are being broken by being an illegal immigrant. Please click the link on my other post and read up on the laws these illegals are breaking. Laws of OUR country, not someone else's.
ARZ people should BOYCOTT any state that they are Boycotting them, Including Nevada. want to crack down on Ileegals, Go to the SEIU union and ask them to prove they only hire legal people allowed to be in this country. Remember this also includes the people who work at the hotels.
Myself I WILL NOT GO TO ANY STATE THAT BOYCOTTS ARZ, including the Goofy people of San fran, The wacko city
I have the easy way out, make our laws on illegals like Mexico's does. The MSM never reports this, JAIL TIME PERIOD. they have troops on there southern border with orders to shoot. And now this Morons are saying dont go to ARZ if you are a Vacationing Mexican. GIVE ME A BREAK. They are not here to visit. Bunch of Bull
ShannonK...
What can I say? You are so much more intelligent than the rest of us.
But according to your reasoning, you could never make it as an Immigration Enforcement Officer. You have a closed mind and are way out of your league talking about something that you have no knowledge about.
Next time you cross the border or encounter a Border Patrol checkpoint, take an illegal with you and try to fool the officer by deceiving them about the citizenship of your illegal...
Ooooh, Larry, must have run out of stupid things to say and now have to resort to insults.
Fedup your arguments are pretty hollow. The best you can do is cite another country's laws, you cannot even tell us what standard a citizen must meet to qualify as a citizen in your eyes, you think that too many non-natives somehow turns the United States into a "third world" country (whatever that is)...
It may be time for some introspection into all this pent up anger you seem to have.
Insults there ShannonK???
Take a look at your 5:01 p.m. post...
It kinda says it all about you...
What was so insulting, Larry? Did I call you names or cast aspersions on your intelligence?
ShannonK knows that it is illegal for law enforcement officers to pull over anyone to ask them about their citizenship. There must be probable cause before you can be stopped...
Amnesty Liberals like ShannonK are trying to scare people about racial profiling...
Larry I agree, I tried to point that out at 3:58pm.
Yes fremmasmind, and you did a very fine job of point it out but ShannonK and other Amnesty Liberals were not listening. So if you don't mind, I will reprint your excellent comment:
"ShannonK I can see you are more worried about the illegals welfare than you are about our citizens lives. You should now plan to help these people out when they get here and open a business, Shannon's two timing illegals workshop, but before you do that you might want to study our laws and Arizona's new immigration bill before you become an expert on this subject. Heck when you gain some intelligence on whats going on you might come back here and make some comments that make sense."
Maybe this time they will read and learn...
What was the name of this group that Mo Denis was speaking to:
REFORM AMERICA FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS???
Oh, Larry, stop lying. I NEVER advocated amnesty. Don't be a jerk.
ShannonK opines:
"...this law will absolutely use racial profiling. "Looking like an illegal immigrant" isn't probable cause."
ShannonK knows that it is illegal for law enforcement officers to pull over anyone to ask them about their citizenship. There must be probable cause before you can be stopped...
Amnesty Liberals like ShannonK are trying to scare people about racial profiling...
Oh, by the way, Nevadans agree with Arizona's immigration law...
The latest Rasmussen survey of likely voters in Nevada shows that fifty seven percent (57%) of Nevada voters favor legislation like Arizona's that authorizes local law enforcement to stop and verify the immigration status of anyone they suspect of being an illegal alien.
Only thirty one percent(31%) of Nevada's voters oppose such legislation.
LarryVegas all of the polls that I have seen are in favor of the Arizona immigration law. It's apparent that the citizens of this country want this place cleaned up!
Larry Vegas, have a great weekend. ShannonK
Learn how to live and talk like an American, oops, freedom of speech. Making friends again, huh?
Why am I subjected to ID checks and not the illegal aliens?
Saturday my daughter was with several of her friends hosting a bachelorette party heading downtown Chicago for the festivities in a limousine. The limo was pulled over by Chicago police because it came from the suburbs. All the occupants were required to show documentation. All were non-Hispanics. They were not in Arizona. They were not doing anything illegal nor was the driver. They were pulled over simply because they were from the suburbs of Chicago and not using a Chicago limo service. Because of this they were all subjected to ID checks.
I don't get why the people of Chicago should be so upset about Arizona's new enforcement of the current immigration laws. What is so terrible about asking someone who can't speak English for an ID? Chicago police think that being from the suburbs is suspicious enough to ask for ID's from six 20 something girls heading to a party.
I am routinely asked to take off my shoes and coat and empty my pockets and show ID and then subjected to body scans every time I fly. When pulled over I have to prove I have a license and prove I have insurance. I have to prove I am over 21 to buy liquor by showing ID. If I buy something buy credit card I am asked for ID many times. That is for my protection they say. When purchasing a gun I have to show ID. When I rent a car I have to prove who I am. When I rent an airplane I have to show license and ID. When I gamble I have to show ID if I buy in more than $10,000. I have to show ID when I win more that $1200 on a slot machine. I have to show ID every time I rent a tool from Home Depot. I could go on and on about the times I have to prove who I am.
In the welcome to the US brochure it states that you must carry your green card with you at all times and must produce it upon request.
I read the Arizona law. http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bi...
I urge all to read it before opening your mouths. If you are outraged about the law I expect you to write to Mayor Daley about the treatment of my daughter and her friends by the Chicago Police Department.