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Hundreds of protesters rally at the Capitol to protest before the signing of immigration bill SB1070 by Gov. Jan Brewer Friday, April 23, 2010, in Phoenix. The sweeping measure makes it a crime under state law to be in the country illegally, and would require local law enforcement to question people about their immigration status if there is reason to suspect they are in the country illegally.
Friday, April 23, 2010 | 1:45 p.m.
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PHOENIX -- Gov. Jan Brewer ignored criticism from President Barack Obama on Friday and signed into law a bill supporters said would take handcuffs off police in dealing with illegal immigration in Arizona, the nation's gateway for human and drug smugglers.
With hundreds of people surrounding the state Capitol, protesting that the bill would lead to civil rights abuses, Brewer said she wouldn't tolerate racial profiling. She said critics were "overreacting."
"We in Arizona have been more than patient waiting for Washington to act," Brewer said after signing the law. "But decades of inaction and misguided policy have created a dangerous and unacceptable situation."
Obama said earlier Friday that he's instructed the Justice Department to examine the Arizona bill to see if it's legal, and said the federal government must enact immigration reform at the national level - or leave the door open to "irresponsibility by others."
"That includes, for example, the recent efforts in Arizona, which threaten to undermine basic notions of fairness that we cherish as Americans, as well as the trust between police and their communities that is so crucial to keeping us safe," Obama said.
The bill, sent to the Republican governor by the GOP-led Legislature, would make it a crime under state law to be in the country illegally. It would also require local police officers to question people about their immigration status if there is reason to suspect they are illegal immigrants.
The bill takes effect 90 days after the legislative session ends in the next several weeks.
Demonstrators have been camped outside the Capitol since the measure passed out of the Legislature on Monday. Their numbers have grown steadily throughout the week, with buses bringing protesters from as far away as Los Angeles.
Brewer, who faces a tough election battle and growing anger in the state over illegal immigrants, said the law "protects every Arizona citizen."
Arizona has an estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants and is the state with the most illegal border crossings, with the harsh, remote desert serving as the gateway for thousands of Mexicans and Central Americans.
U.S. Rep. Raul Grijalva, a Democrat who opposes the measure, said he's closing his Arizona offices at noon Friday after his staff in Yuma and Tucson were flooded with calls this week, some from people threatening violent acts and shouting racial slurs.
The bill's Republican sponsor, state Rep. Russell Pearce of Mesa, said Obama and other critics of the bill were "against law enforcement, our citizens and the rule of law."
Pearce said the legislation would remove "political handcuffs" from police and help drive illegal immigrants from the state.
"Illegal is illegal," said Pearce, a driving force on the issue in Arizona. "We'll have less crime. We'll have lower taxes. We'll have safer neighborhoods. We'll have shorter lines in the emergency rooms. We'll have smaller classrooms."
Other provisions of the bill allow lawsuits against government agencies that hinder enforcement of immigration laws, and make it illegal to hire illegal immigrants for day labor or knowingly transport them.
I find it strange to describe this as the toughest law in the land when the key parts were lifted ver-batum from the federal law according to the Governor.
If the wording is the same, then that means we have a tough federal law that simply isn't being enforced. I think that having an identical state law that allows for enforcement at the state level is an interesting approach. I'll be watching how this plays out with interest.
It is interesting. I don't know much about it, but I've wondered why being in the country "illegally" isn't enforced more. I hope it doesn't open up the door for the unnecessary harassment of people that are there legally, but there are some very basic things that can be enforced that aren't currently. Any time a person goes through any public system (police, DMV, hospital, etc.), there should be a verification process that they are here legally. If not, immigration should be notified and they should be deported. It sounds easy, but I don't know the arguments on the other side. Anyone care to enlighten me?
Its about time !! hopefully other boarder states will follow suit, and force the federal government to take this issue seriously. If arizona keeps passing these kind of laws, I might just move there !!!
As liberal as I am I believe this is a good step in the need for radical change. No one can dispute that there is a serious crime and social burden with the illegal residents. Let us hope our politicians learn that their tendancy to compromise has led to some serious problems in our society. I have traveled and worked in many countries. Like most honest people I do what is legal and get another stamp in my passport and a visa. To pretend that enforcing simple laws of border crossing is an overt violation of civil rights is simply not logical reasoning. No one has any right to break the law. No one. It is as simple as that.
Outstanding!!!
Funny how Obama is upset about a LAW that basically exists to ENFORCE the existing LAW....isn't this guy a lawyer......oops, kind of answers itself.
I congratulate the Governor of Arizona for taking this initiative.
Am I the only concerned they bussed them in from L.A.
Why would legal citizens protest this..... unless they are in reality Coyotes and are now staring at the prospect of having no new clients.
Be careful what we wish for; watch the flood gates open up for mass migration into Nevada.
all these protestors coming in from all over,might be a good time to start rounding them up
A few comments on the above:
"I hope it doesn't open up the door for the unnecessary harassment of people that are there legally"
Of course it will, how would it not? We could solve ALL crime if police could stop anyone the felt like and make that person prove they had NOT committed a crime. At some point just having brown eyes or skin will be all the justification the police need to stop and interrogate a person. Shameful.
"To pretend that enforcing simple laws of border crossing is an overt violation of civil rights is simply not logical reasoning. "
Who is saying that? Show me who/where.
And last: it is NOT BOARDER it's BORDER. Two different words. For such champions of English speakers you folks could use some lessons.
Yes, round them up. We need a final solution to the problem. We need ID chips embedded in people and cloth badges sewn on clothing and numerical tattoos on the skin to quickly identify the undesirables. How many of these undesirables work in the casinos, hotels, restaurants, country clubs, wealthy homes and gardens?
As a Latino-American, I am in a very select group that believes that immigration must be done legally and orderly. I am not anti-immigration. I'm a second generation American and feel everyone that wants to live and work in our great country should be here legally.
The main problem I have however is with the numerous employers that hire illegal immigrants. That said, the moment prices may or may not increase on cheap goods, many will stupidly blame politicians.
Let's also recall that in states like Texas, many Republicans, including former president Bush II, catered to Latinos.
I hate, absolutely hate, finding myself on the same side of many conservative, xenophobic and racist idiots on this issue.
Ultimately, immigrants that come here legally are less susceptible to be mistreated by employers, which they are in large measure, as they pay them below minimum wages, provide negligible work environments, and no benefits.
Come one, come all, but legally.
As for the law itself, yes, if you're not here legally, you must be deported. Will there be a strong possibility of harassment of Americans of Latino descent who are citizens or naturalized citizens? Absolutely. And I strongly endorse these people's rights to sue the snot out of local Arizona police.
Yessssssssss! I love how Barack Insane Obama is already trying to make it a civil rights issue. Maybe I'm wrong, but I didn't think non-citizens had any rights? Now if only the rest of the states would get some boletos!!!! :-)
ThisOneGuy, you're probably right, and it's what I expect. That legal residents will be unnecessarily harassed. It sounds like that's the problem with this particular law in AZ. There's somewhere between doing nothing and giving the police the green light to screw with anyone they want, and use dark physical features as reasonable cause. I think they should start by checking citizenship status when they run their info through any public computer system. Based on what I've heard, they don't do that now. Even for criminals that go to court, get a public defender, etc.
There are too many people that are here legally that make a contribution to the country, the challenge is distinguishing them from the ones that are NOT here legally. Very tough issue.
For those that oppose...what would you recommend as an alternative to identifying and deporting illegal immigrants? I DEFINITELY agree with placing heavy fines on the employers. A good portion of them know damn well what they're doing, and deserve fines. I'm talking landscaping groups, pool companies, and even companies in regulated industries. Yes, prices will go up, but more of us might have to get off our fat butts and mow our own lawns, clean our own pools, etc.
@darthbry:
Yes, you are wrong. Non citizens DO in fact, have rights. Otherwise you could enslave them, whip them, hunt them or steal their children. They aren't slaves, they just don't have the right piece of paper in their pocket given to them by a bureaucrat from Washington.
Call the president "insane" all you want, but your ignorance of this country and our laws is horrifying. Maybe a civics class or a history book would help.
Gonna be hard to say muestrame tus papeles with a German accent
The Patriot act nullified the Constitution, I'm not surprised the GOP has found another avenue to destroy the protections of the "Former Constitution" of the United States.
$100 Million for walls, black helicopters, riot police, assault weapons, police, military and prisons but not a cent to help the Mexican economy create jobs.
What if the Police suspect you of not paying your taxes? Down the the jailhouse you go for QUESTIONING! Sig Heil Mein Kommendant!
@ThisOneGuy
The rights you are describing are human rights not civil rights. Illegal immigrants are different from non-citizens in the sense that all illegal immigrants are non-citizens, but not all non-citizens are illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants have NO rights in this country. They are here illegally and thus are not covered under our constitution or the bill of rights. I firmly believe that all illegals should be rounded up and deported. A non-citizen who is here legally would have some sort of visa or other authorizing document allowing them to be in the country. Arizona is doing a great thing allowing police to check for documents (assuming there is probable suspicion). All states should pass a similar bill. I have absolutely no sympathy for people knowingly breaking the laws of my country. We need to make it harder and harder on the illegals until they leave.
Obama's response to this law should be an eye opener for anyone expecting him to seriously tackle the immigration issue...
@robwhitetrash "Yes, round them up. We need a final solution to the problem. We need ID chips embedded in people and cloth badges sewn on clothing and numerical tattoos on the skin to quickly identify the undesirables. How many of these undesirables work in the casinos, hotels, restaurants, country clubs, wealthy homes and gardens?"
You are a obviously a f'n Nazi nutcase. As a Jew, the term "final solution" makes me want to find you and make your life a living hell. It should be easy to find you since you'll have a badge sewn on your clothing and a number tattooed on your arm. You should choke on your on tongue. Go keep having sex with a goat. I can't even imagine what your head smells like being shoved up your you know what for so long. (Unless you're being sarcastic -- but I can't tell anymore.)
Asides from that - I've lived in AZ for 21 years. If some posters more on the left think NV is bad, try living here. First - the law doesn't let a cop just stop someone. The theory is after a reason for a stop like running a stop light, speeding, etc., happens, if the person then can't show a driver's license and doesn't speak English, that would be enough for the cop to get into the illegal immigrant questioning. Now having said that, the amount of arrests will totally kill the court system. The state is so broke its about to lay off almost ALL of its court staff if a new tax isn't passed by the voters in May.
Brewer was NOT elected Governor. She was appointed after being Secretary of State when Governor Napolitano was tapped to go to D.C. for Homeland Security. She's also one of those nut bag governors who wants to waste tax payer money suing Washington over health care when the state doesn't have the money for that lawsuit, the future immigrant law suits and its own state employees. She has a ZERO chance for re-election as she faces a tough primary. Not to mention she just handed the election over to the Democratic candidate.
It's sort of a toss up as to who looks worse -- Gov. Janet Brewer for thinking this is going to stand up in court or Lowden and her barter poultry for medical care stance. Wow -- what a country.
Rep. Russell Pearce says it best, "Illegal is illegal, We'll have less crime. We'll have lower taxes. We'll have safer neighborhoods. We'll have shorter lines in the emergency rooms. We'll have smaller classrooms." This is true for all states.
@chediski
That guy is obviously joking...
It is amazing that it takes a state to try to enforce the federal law. What is even more amazing is the federal response to the state.
There is a similar story on AOL, Gov. Brewer plans to train the officers regarding the racial profiling concern.
Legal immigration is the answer.
We should have invaded Mexico instead of Iraq.
It's just a matter of time before we go after these drug lords sooooooo while we are there. Just saying.
chediski, I don't really see the problem with the scenario of stopping for a traffic violation/no proof of citizenship. I don't think they should go to AZ jails (at least, not for long) and cost the state much money, it should be a federal issue handled by the federal agencies. Not that the country isn't also broke, but if this is a priority that they want to address, then that's what it would take. I'm not really up on these laws, just giving my opinion on how it should be.
We can call it an annexation and we would have all those jobs back on American soil.
And open a hot line so if someone suspects a local merchant of employing them they can report it and the police can follow up and actually issue a citation and then you will see them leave the area.
@Icy:
You said:
"The rights you are describing are human rights not civil rights... Illegal immigrants have NO rights in this country. They are here illegally and thus are not covered under our constitution or the bill of rights."
You are misinformed sir.
Immigrants DO, in fact, have rights in this country; both human and civil.
If a person here illegally commits a crime he or she is entitled to the same protections as a citizen: jury trial, legal representation, Miranda warnings etc. So they are, in fact, covered under our Bill of rights and Constitution.
Maybe you think it should be otherwise, but that would be your misguided opinion, and simply not the way our system works.
So I guess the Border Patrol doesn't use profiling either. The checkpoint in Temecula is all racial profiling. If you don't speak english they make you pull to the side. That simple. The Feds do it so why not state or city police?
Its about time or is it to late,US is bankrupt from all the Illegals, schools and health care.
They work in the US under the table and pay no taxes.They have the same rights as a US citizen.
The first thing OBAMA should have done is to PROTECT OUR BOARDERS.
To chediski - I'm with you, sir. My post was sarcasm, but I've read some "serious" wingnut posts about this issue that were only a few degrees from the "final solution". Economic depression, nationalistic fervor and xenophobia make for some nasty consequences.
All Nevada candidates should be asked if they support a similar law in Nevada. I called Sandoval's campaign office and politely asked, and his staffer swore at me in Spanish and hung up on me. Does Sandoval now have a fear of going to Arizona?
@robwhitetrash - Sorry there, guy. As you've said, there are serious wingnut posts and sometimes I can't tell the difference between sarcasm and "serious" posts when the posters sometimes are so insane you think all the posts are true!!
@improvelv - the thing is if an officer stops someone who doesn't have a driver's license and can't speak the language, they're brought to jail anyway for the appropriate background checks. I mean - this is what they already do.
But asides from that, there are things that are question marks. How much of the officer's time is now taken to arrest the "suspect" and question them when they could be responding to a burglary call? Does someone come by and pick him up? And the state police chiefs were against it because of the civil lawsuits that could occur against them. As the President said, the inaction of the Feds in this topic makes it so states have to try to do things themselves. If anything else I hope this brings to the forefront this topic and get it handled.
The thing that really got this off the ground was the tragic killing of an AZ rancher a couple of months ago.
It is a sad state of affairs and it's a very frustrating one. I think the vast majority of Americans are against any illegal immigration - even those who got here legally - but I feel the old adage of "asking for papers" is too great a trade-off. On the other hand, this has resurrected the National I.D. card once again - maybe that's the way to go since it would be the same for all. Although, as robwhitetrash alluded to, the concept is to also have biometric technology in the card. Hmmm
And robwhitetrash, again, I apologize for my rant.
Obama has something that looks like a birth certificate on the web, why won't Sandoval do the same??? If the President puts his documents up, why can't a candidate for governor do the same? This guy's the biggest self-important elitist out there.
@this one guy,
They (illegals) broke the law to get here correct? They are criminals and should be treated as such.
Obama is insane, I will stick to that. We are a weaker country militarily, due to our wonderful POTUS bowing to every piece of s-it dicatator, we are less respected in the world. Our military power is no longer feared thanks to BHO selling our country out by eliminating our nuclear deterrent, telling nations go ahead and strike us at whim, we won't destroy you anyway. We have more debt than ever (which is ever increasing thanks to BHO), and catering to those who wish to destroy us.
Do illegals have rights? Of course they do. I am not ignorant by any means. But law enforcement in AZ now has a right to ask anyone they stop (white, black, Asian, Latino) if they are in the country legally. If a person can't prove they are, they get arrested and held accountable for breaking the law. What a novel concept.
Is America a country of resolute laws; many folks tend to accept that as true, but that is not the case, we the people have the power to override or redefine the laws, constitution as we see fit via a jury, the ballot box or a constitutional quorum.
The laws and the constitution of America are ever changing, as do the winds of politics in our country, the induction of a new Supreme Court Judge to interpret our laws have swayed past understandings, historically overturning prior rulings. We the people as a whole will decided what immigration policies are right for us as a country, not any single state or minority group of people with vested interests.
For those of us Americans that travel and have vest interests abroad, as do I, it must be recognized that the implications of what America does in the homeland may and has been felt in the past by those of us Americans living, working or vacationing abroad. I can't count on two hands how many times I have been able to evoke "American" in many countries without fear of being arrested and questioned, as to my legitimacy of purpose or intentions in that country.
As for questioning people who speak the Queen's English if stopped by police or any governmental agency, I find that appalling, to think that under the first amendment I have a right to speak any language in America with or without accent and not be suspect; have we no measure.
To measure, profile people is a panacea used to cover an ulterior agenda, the eyes of the world are upon us, what we do and how we treat people may haunt us, at least those of us Americans that travel to other countries.
To think the brilliant shine of America is now to be tarnished by counter American birth ideals, I shudder, to thinking what must have been the closed door conversations that brought about such a blight law to our glorious country.
I find it interesting that during the last 20 or so years when the economy was doing ok illegals were viewed by many as helpfull to most US citizens wanting to cut there labor costs by paying them 1/4 to 1/2 the salaries that non illegals were getting. All the while complaining that unions, labor rights and benefits were driving them (the business owner) out of business...now that the economy is down the same business owners and others in arizona are looking around and stating in suprise "what are all these illegals doing here...get them out we dont want them anymore"...well i am not suprised by this...during down times in economys it is not uncommon to blame the poor and weak for their problems...look at germany in the late 30s...
I agree with some of the above posts
This will be a disaster,inevitably they will be heading our way,Guaranteed
peace out
Passage of this bill will elicit emotions. A lot of emotions. Aside from the whaling issue this is one of the first departures I have from our president. I agree with his health care plan yet disagree stongly that this bill is a bad thing.
I grew up in Arizona and do not have a single molecule of racial bias.
But I have seen the crime first hand. I have seen the casual disregard for the laws. I have seen the violence.
For me the loss of my own civil rights in a hypothetical traffic stop is a trade I would gladly make to reduce crime. For me the emotion is simple: I hate criminals with a passion.
The murder of the southern Arizona rancher was a driving force behind this bill. I hear they shot
him, his dog, and his horse.
I hold their lives above any hypothetical inconvienance anyone may experience.
It is the casual, CASUAL, disregard that has created this situation. It is more than time for such a wake up call.
The only people who protest this law are illegal aliens, employers who hire illegal aliens or family and friends of illegal aliens. But I fear this is just another law that can not and/or will not be enforced. I believe it will be enforced on employers when donkeys fly. Certainly not in this economic climate. Greed and corruption will prevail there.
We, as citizens, do not have to accept the non-enforcement of our laws. In order to reduce crime
we need to be more proactive. We need to document what we can and put in our complaints. It is up to us to keep pressure on those forming policy and to shed light on those breaking the law.
Make some noise.
If you know an employeer is breaking the law take the time to contact the enforcers. If they do nothing follow up. Be persistant. We need to exert ourselves as citizens to avoid the state of non-action. Wrong doers know well the effectiveness of doing nothing. Let the assumption that no one will do anything about it be a thing of the past.
it's a good day for america. and i LOVE the fact someone shot down obama and his worshipers' "white guilt" for once.
they're illegal...ILLEGAL...got it?
comprende amigo?
Ya, go Arizona.
Maybe some of those wanting to get (re)elected in Nevada will use this same idea.
that steviem,
ain't he cute when he gets all self-righteous?
also...for all you a.c.l.u. types...the cops aren't stupid. they aren't just going to be randomly pulling over anyone with dark skin.
they'll find cars without plates, out of date tags, d.u.i. checks, speeders, red light runners, etc. and THAT'S when they'll do the check.
isn't gmag39 pathetic when the only thing she can do is call me names?
@daringly
Yes, of course they broke the Law to get here, now what? Everyone breaks the law every day, if you speed today are you a criminal tomorrow?
If you are fishing without a license you're a criminal I suppose - but for how long?
People get all wrapped up in the notion that these folks are here illegally, that law-and-order is all important for immigrants - but possibly less so for everyone else, especially if you were lucky enough to be born here.
The question remains, is it the fact that they are here with out the proper paperwork, or (more likely) that they look different and speak a different language? If they had papers would you accept them as Americans?
You do understand that we went through this with the Irish, Italians, the Jews, the Poles and the Chinese, right? People said the same thing about those groups, it worked out fine then, it'll work out this time as well. Read some history, go tour the Statue of Liberty and try to not be so scared of your fellow human beings.
The key to immirgration enforcement is at the employer level and at the government services level. Deny both of those to illegal immigrants and they have no choice but to leave or starve. Make it plain that neither are available and they won't come here in the first place.
E-Verify is a good idea, but it's not being used. Welfare doesn't even bother to ask. That's where real enforcement needs to be done.
I'm all for legal immigration, but the operative word there is "legal". There is no doubt that enforcement at the individual level really does raise serious questions about personal liberty, but enforcement at the employment and government services level does not.
ThisOneGuy is comparing apples to oranges. Ellis Island is not comparable to the southern border of the U.S. I'm sick of people using LEGAL immigration to compare it to the ILLEGAL immigration happening on our southern border daily. You sound like you know it all...so please, I've been trying to find out for years, what is the meaning of life?
The meaning of life is very simple, the ability to enjoy good BBQ, good Scotch, and a good cigar. Anything that interferes with that is evil by definition.
@this one guy.
you are seriously comparing this with Ellis Island? Wow, you are one of the lost apparantly. I know our history and I know it well. I don't use baseless comparisons to form my own opinion. I know right and wrong, apparantly our current POTUS doesn't, or else he would support AZ for taking initiative to stop the problem of illegal immigration in their own state.
If it isn't race let me ask you this: if there was amnesty tomorrow, would you accept all the former "illegals" as Americans?
Botfx - I agree with you on most of your points however.
I would call them legal residents.
Do you agree about scotch and BBQ at least?
Thank you boftx. I will check this weekend if your response is correct, can you at least name a scotch to try? The BBQ is an already given.
ha ha, anything that gets in the way of a good bbq and scotch is definitely evil.. I think it is the 11th commandment (thou shalt not interfere with bbq and scotch):-p he he!
Scotch and bbq, bringing the world together.
Today Obama criticized the Arizona measure to crack down on illegal immigration.
Obama said that there was no need for Arizona to get involved since the federal government has done such a good job of policing our borders and enforcing our immigration laws...
Obama nailed it right on the head. Because of the inaction of the Federal Government the states are forced to resort to laws such as these.Now maybe the Feds will get serious.
As an American (with brown complexion) , I am all for legal immigration,I'm against amnesty.If I'm ever in Arizona I will proudly show proof that I am an American. I'm not illegal so I have nothing to fear.
At least somebody is doing something to head us in the right direction.You go Arizona!
"America The Great Enablers"
if they had there way we'd all be speaking in Spanish,,,,,,,,,,,,,they don't want to be come part of this country they want to take over.
The USA makes it easy for them to live here,,,,,
such as, every things half English and Spanish,,,,,,,,,,,half and half
Honestly all this racial comments make me want to throw up !
What do you all know? Do you guys really know what life is?
When will people understand that skin color or physical features don't matter. If everyone studied the anatomy and physiology of humans they would notice we are all the same.
All this law is, is a racial law against immigrants.
If you think about when has the United States of America accepted a race without a problem?
Think about it; Native Americans, African Americans, chineese, Japaneese, Hispanic and im pretty sure many more! Who's the next victoms?
Free Country right?
The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo was the peace treaty that ended the Mexican-American War (1846--1848). The treaty provided for the Mexican Cession, in which Mexico ceded 1.36 million km2 (525,000 square miles) to the United States in exchange for USD$15 million.
The United States also agreed to take over $3.25 million in debts Mexico owed to American citizens.
The cession included parts of the modern-day U.S. states of Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico, and Wyoming, as well as the whole of California, Nevada, and Utah. The remaining parts of what are today the states of Arizona and New Mexico were later ceded under the 1853 Gadsden Purchase.
Source(s):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_G...
An illegal act should never be a step toward becoming a citizen. The solution is simple and actually costs nothing. If you are here illegally, you will never be a citizen. Period. That being said, the anchor baby is no longer an anchor because their parent can never be a citizen. Give them (parents) legal work permit status for a fee, and allow them to stay and work for life while paying higher income tax for breaking the law. That is it.
Brian, any decent highland single malt will do assuming you have a medium to full bodied cigar (I prefer a Partagas Black myself).
More to the point of this story, the AZ law is a reaction to the lack of action on the federal government's part. Everyone posting here are the descendants of immigrants. At the same time, almost all of those immigrants came here legally at the time and our nation needed them to help grow the economy.
That is not the case today. If we are going to continue down the path to more and more government programs (which I disagree with) then we *must* restrict those programs to citizens only. The proponents of such programs have only to look at the immigration controls of countries such as Sweden to see that this is a corrollary of such programs.
Arizona is making the statement that it values the welfare of its citizens above the welfare of those who wish to mooch. No citizen should have a problem with that.
This is not a State problem it is a Federal problem. The fact that a State has to step up to a Federal responsibility is just sad. The Feds just wont take responsibility for detention or transport away from the border.
The Law is already in place and if stopped on or near a border you will be deported. The problem is if you get past that initial say 50 miles or so, there is no one to come and get you and no place to put you anyway while waiting for someone to come get you.
For Law Enforcement this is extremely frustrating. Stereotyping is not necessary. Coming into contact with illegal immigrants is commonplace without any effort at all. Have you ever stopped a car for running a stop light, found out the driver is here illegally and has no driver's license or insurance? How do you even write this person a ticket? You don't know who the hell he is.
Heaven forbid you're the one who gets rear ended in a traffic accident by that same person. You better have good insurance because more often than not his isn't any good.
Try putting a common Hispanic name in a criminal data base and see how many warrants pop up for people who were issued citations under aliases or uncheck able information. See how many names pop up. ***Thousands***
Sorry folks . . . If I swim up on shore tomorrow in Europe somewhere without a passport, common sense tells me I've lots of explaining to do and someone's going to be sending me home.
The best thing to happen for the Dems' in years! Could the Dems actually win seats this year? Yep!!!
seems like most of the posts are concerned about illegals 'rights'. how about the 'rights' of americans? many americans fought long and hard and many lost their lives to protect all AMERICANS civil rights. its sad that our president seems to be more concerned about those who are NOT americans than those who are. this is long overdue and should be followed by all states. profiling isn't necessary - when a cop in az sees a car with 28 people in it, one can reasonably assume they are illegals. my main concern is that our government hasn't done anything to help mexico become a peaceful country. most mexicans i know would prefer to go home but who can blame them for not. they need help with the violance and we should be there for them, they are our neighbors and their country is out of control. we should bring more businesses into mexico and pay fair wages. this would help the people of both usa & mexico. you need to focus on your own country and fight for change in mexico, not in usa. if you want to make it a better place to live, then how about the 12+ million who are here, march on D.C. and demand that we help make mexico a safe and prosperous country. we invade countries because we think they need to change, so why can't we do something to improve the situation in mexico. i feel it is our duty and i know if the situation in mexico improved fewer mexicans would WANT to come here. and for those who feel we are just against mexicans - not so, we don't want millions from ANY country here illegally. we have laws and without them, well we will be another mexico. see any problem with being a lawless country??? shame on our government for not upholding our laws, and shame on our government for allowing people to be exploited for profit. our country is quickly slipping away from what we are all about. we need to first help all americans have a better way of life, then extend our helping hand to our neighbors. that should keep us busy for many years to come.
self righteous hypocrites even the foundation of this country was illegal. Iam glad of what is going on in Arizona because now everybody can see white people removing the mask of civility and show the world that most of them are demons in human forms.
This is not exactly a bright move by Arizona. It's going to put Law Enforcement in an untenable position and will cause all manor of unintended consequences.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/04/1...
Calling Obama insane is insane.
I thought Obama's response was measured, and by & large, right on target.
LarryVegas apparently is more interested in mocking
the President than being even remotely factual.
This is obviously a topic that elicits emotional response on both sides.
We should be careful not to cheer to loudly for the "round em' up, head em' out" mentality.
This is a human rights issue in addition to being a legal issue.
It would be a helluva lot easier and just as effective to round up the folks that employ the workers here illegally than it would be to theoretically round up "the Mexicans".
If it wasn't for the United States' voracious appetite for coke, weed and meth, the "Mexican Mafia" would not exist.
This issue is complicated by the fact that Republican & Democratic Administrations alike have tacitly endorsed the migration of cheap labor from south of the border.
It's awfully difficult to get the horses back in the barn after the door's been left wide open for decades.
You have to consider the financial implications of massive scale repatriation, not just to those utilizing the cheap labor; It would/IS costing huge money to even make the token effort the U.S.
is currently utilizing on illegal immigration. Imagine what it might cost to actually get serious about it.
We need Immigration Reform. NOW.
We need to round up criminals of all stripes.
I'm all for enforcing United States Immigration laws.
Let's do it with rational, measured, humane steps that reflect the true meaning of With Liberty & Justice FOR ALL.
Illegal means Illegal. The State of Arizona gets it, but the Feds don't.
Where is the new border fence? Our inept federal government can't even construct a fence, let alone enforce the laws on the books for illegal immigration.
God Bless Governor Jan Brewer
thisoneguy, Illegals do not have a race here in the U.S, they have a nationality. They have a race in their own country. You may be right on them having rihts, the right to be arrested for breaking federal immigration laws, the right to be deported. For you people who are saying that they only take jobs we don't want to do, I work constrution and through the last construction boom we had bilinguals put at foreman positions and non-english speaking workers working under them. what do you want to bet they were not U.S. citizens? I had friends who are citizens who couldn't get jobs and were losing their homes, and this was before the recession. I called ICE for help and they told me they were too busy, and they were bragging about busting illegals working at Mickey D's. They told me to send them a report and it would take 6to 8 months for them to get to it. Talk to the americans working back of house at the resorts , the same thing once these places are open for business you see bilinguals with up to 20 non english people following them around.
Immigrants who are here legally have told me that they are scared they will lose their jobs to immigrants that are here illegally.
Baracks answer to just make these federal criminals citizens is not fair to americans who are unemployed. If he was a true american he would responded with action and find and deport the illegals and put U.S. citizens backto work. Then when we exhausted the citizens and needed more people he would have asked for green card workers. A greencard worker is called upon when an american employer has not been able to fill a empty position with an employee for 60 days then we can ask a foreign country to send in a greencard worker. He gets his shots and he knows this situation is not forever. when he gets his job the employer still advertises the job for 60 days, if a citizen steps in for that job with in 60 days the greencard worker is sent back to his country. To bad our employers and our gov. hasn't been playing by the laws we have written.
Go Arizona!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe the Pseudo-patriots would be happy if we melted down the Statue of Liberty and built a fence out of her.
A few points for consideration:
This bill does not circumvent the human rights and constitutional rights against unreasonable search & seizure! No legislation can change that. This bill simply allows non-federal law enforcement to follow-up with immigration inquiry during the course of a justified stop - to paraphrase). Just like they do in all of Europe, Asia and Latin America.
70 % of Arizonans are for this bill! Do the math - those are not all Republicans for sure - There were about 12% undecided. You don't have to be Karl Rove to figure out the political impact of thos numbers.
In comparison, the Mexican immigration laws, authority to stop anyone they feel like it, military checkpoints, corrupt police shakedown post - whatever - are far worse than any American example.
Phoenix Arizona is the KIDNAP capitol of America right now --Home invasions and meth trafficking is off the hook. The Scottsdale fat-cats, the blue-hairs and just about everyone - including many wonderful Hispanic-American citizens - are tired of it.
I'm guessing all those protesting are illegal invaders. God Bless Gov. Brewer. I only wish more of our elected officials had a backbone.
There are some very serious issues that are almost never talked about when it comes to illegal immigration.
Consider for a moment that illegal immigration is a form of slavery, only this form enslaves us all. Our law enforcement, education and healthcare systems have been driven past the breaking point. If these costs were factored in, illegal labor is probably actually the most expensive labor there is.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/oct...
Is this not a form of ethnic cleansing by the Mexican government as the majority of the illegal immigrants from Mexico and Central America are their native people? Indigenous ethnic groups from Mexico and Central America face horrible treatment at home.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0...
I can't blame the average Jose who wants to come here, as with all our shortcomings, the U.S. is still the greatest country on the planet.
Illegal immigration on our southern border could be considered the Mexican Government's Social Security System. Money gets sent home to Mexico rather than paying income taxes like the rest of us do, much of the money paid under the table doesn't stay here in the US to pay for roads and social services.
How much money does Wells Fargo make in a year on their Global Remittance Services to Latin America?
We stand in line for hours at the airport for the ritual strip search while we have NO idea who is coming across our borders and what they are bringing with them in terms of drugs, disease and crime.
We already have Federal immigration laws in place that are not being enforced as the first comment on the above article points out. What's up with that?
Hint: Follow the money"
I could not agree more with this new bill! These blood sucking illegals have no civil rights here they are here illegally and want everything. Deport every single one of them.
Being that they are committing illegal acts, well so do murders, robbers and criminals, why not give them the same right as illegals??
Both committ illegal acts????
Write your Congressman and demand immediate action to compliment what Arizona has started. Give these criminals nowhere to run but back to that toilet they came from. We don't need any more filth from the South here in Nevada.
Neo wrote: "self righteous hypocrites even the foundation of this country was illegal. Iam glad of what is going on in Arizona because now everybody can see white people removing the mask of civility and show the world that most of them are demons in human forms."
Talk about civility. One of the most ignorant things I've read on here. I hope you have no children.
I bet that if the bill is upheld,the surrounding states will see a influx of illegals.If your here illegally you should be deported.as I view the news clips,I see that 99% of the people against the bill are latino.How come there is no rainbow mix of people protesting?,cause 99% of real,legal Americans support the bill.I commend the state of arizona.being in this country illegally means you have broken the law.When americans breaks any sort of law,we are arrested,illegals should be arrested to.Go back home and wave your flags,and let American tax dollars be spent on Americans,and not illegal scum
let's just make them wear bright yellow stars so from afar we can tell whose here legally versus illegally. or maybe like during slavery we can make them show their papers to separate the free ones from the slaves. we know they have brought our country down we are poor they have all the money own all the stores, oh wait it's not WWII. they are all on welfare and it's because of them that I lived above my means and caused a depression. in the bible it states that mankind must stay on one part of the earth. Jesus traveled to and from and see what happened to his illegal ass!
No civility left - the Ku Klux Klan has won. We seized this territory in a war and now it is being re-populated with the descendants of those who were victimized. Yes, I am a fuzzy headed liberal and extemely proud of it. The governor should be removed for signing this travesty. God bless ALL of God's children.
Arizona is doing what it needs to do in lieu of the Federal Government taking effective action on immigration reform and border security. It is indeed a desperate, and perhaps unconstitutional measure, but it highlights the dangerous situation existing today in our border states, and to a significant extent, our entire country.
Unfortunatly, the police get the heaviest burden to enforce the provisions of the new law. Our police need support from non-law enforcement agencies so that they can focus on their core missions of crime-fighting and public safety.
The States should be sued for false advertising"
I said the States because there is no "United States" anymore"New Yorkers are not Angelenos and people in Idaho have nothing to do with people from Nevada"
We should be 500 millions, the more the better for the economy, more taxpayers, more buyers, consumers, living under the Flag"$5.25 an hour when it is $13 in Europe with health coverage"You are slaves in a country where people with billions are financing wars killing innocents"Not getting it, China was never at war with no one"The wealthy in America are funding their enterprises so nothing is left for the American middle class but who cares? Thanks to 8 years of lies nothing good came out of this so called country, no music, no art, no literature, no design"Parla si Italiano? Se habla Espanol? Sprechen sie Deucht? Parlez-vous Francais? Have ever been out of your city? You dumbell racist Tea baggers?
Give the Statue back to the French people where she belongs and bury the Emma Lazarus poem"
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
On the American made pedestal left on the islands of "Liberty" one should read and be warned! Greed is our Motto! We will suck you for good"
F"k your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to hell knows,
I lift my guns beside the golden door!"
Unknow "idiot" American Poet.
America cannot reward lawbreakers by granting them amnesty.
I wish Jan Brewer was the governor of Illinois. Sad to say that the current President is from Illinois, but who cares. It would be a beautiful thing if more states pass this law. You would think that Illinois is on the border with all the mexicans we have running around. They have their food carts on every corner with no permits, but the mayor of Chicago looks the other way. Arizona residents I am happy for you and hopefully Governor Jan Brewer will be re-elected again. Mexico wants to break relations with the United States over this law, Who in the hell cares!!!What in the hell does Mexico do for the United States, except cause headaches!!Go Arizona!!!
The problem is for every one illegal who does do the work that Americans won't do (such as lettuce pickers) there are the kids, wives, parents and grandparents who come also and they don't contribute to society....they only take. The ratio of contributors to takers is way out of balance in regards to illegals.
We don't have to round anybody up or profile anybody, just use the government system to verify that employees are legal, deny illegals work and benefits, and they will leave.
Slavesdescendent,
I agree with you a 100 percent!! Go back to Mexico and wave your flag. The United States should be ashamed of itself that it has politicians that oppose this bill. Take care of the legal American citizens and ship the other garbage back to Mexico where it belongs!!
Vote Harry Reid out of office.
Ask for his resignation today.
He has failed to put forth legislation to uphold the laws of the United States on the immigration issue.
Due to Harry (and the others in Washington DC), states are finally saying to the handful of people in Washington - NO MORE!!!! We will enforce the laws of the land! Thanks.
its time for the President also to enforce the laws that already exist - he thinks he is above anything that he did not put in place.
Vote Reid out of office this year!
It is too bad he gets a government pension and not the pennies he gives to everyone else who has to survive on social security.
Vote Harry out
Illegals take jobs away and they drive down wages.
Right now the unemployement rate for black males is above 25%.
Illegals have been taking their jobs especially in construction for decades.
It is because the so-called United States are exactly like Nigeria:
Full of hate, tribes, profiteers, sycophants, stupid nationalist, ignorants. One makes makes the money the others can die"
Hypocrits"
To chediski - apology accepted, no harm and no foul. Keep posting, sir. I was at a Cheney protest rally in 2003 when I ran into my college German professor. He said he thought the trappings of the Bush/Cheney regime were early stages of fascism. In 2004, at a Michael Moore event, I met an elderly German woman who was drawn to the parallels of the Bush/Cheney regime and the National Socialist regime (Nazi) of Germany, and was fearful of the political direction of the USA.
To paraphrase Sinclair Lewis, It CAN Happen Here. A little more economic collapse, or failed colonial wars, or pandering to the fears and superstitions of the white underclass (underachievers) by the Republican demagogues (Palin/Bachmann/Limbaugh/Beck) and we will see some sort of "final solution". It won't happen to me, since I'm white, male, gentile ... but it will happen to some group they target ... muslim, hispanic, union members, "socialists". Once they finish with the "usual" suspects, then they will come for me. Good Night and Good Luck!
Well isn't this parody, the only one in this country of ours to have the B---s to do this is a woman. Finally someone is sick and tired of these people that here illegally because Washington sits on thier hands and offers no help to border states except border patrol (joke). California, Arizona, and Texas should all be enforcing this new law, Obama isn't going to help because his citizenship isn't legal either. GO AZ GO.
As an American citizen, I can't just wash up on some random country's shore in labor and plop my brat out and it is Voila! a citizen of wherever I am standing. This is the biggest problem we have here. You get welfare, the free medical that is used 10 times more than regularly insured people, the 8-900 dollars a month of free food, and the free housing, if you have a social security number. The illegals are wracking this up through their children. Why do you think they have one a year? More money and a future interpreter that we can spend even MORE on to teach English through our already drained school district because the parents are too lazy or ignorant to learn English. How can we possibly sustain this expense as taxpayers in this economoy much longer? Something HAS to be done. Start with changing the law so that if you are not a citizen, I don't give a s#%$ if you give birth on my lawn, that baby does NOT get a social security number until the PARENT does. Then we shall see how much our expenses go down when they pay their own way with LEGAL jobs and pay taxes. Not walk around with cash rolls as big as their fist while the "not wife" whips out a welfare card. It's disgusting.
@fedup2here. I think you meant "irony", not "parody." (Just checkin'.)
I HAVE THE IMMIGRATION SOLUTION. I have been saying this for years, but no one truly listens. If you wish to be an American citizen you must serve 4 years in our military. It would give them legal employment, a legal way to become an American while relieving stress on our overworked military. Not too mention they could show that they have an intention of doing something patriotic for their new home.
And you lunatic liberals whine and complain. Illegals in Mexico are dealt with swiftly and their laws are enforced. Quit your whining and complaining, we're sick and tired of you crackpot freaks.
Mexico has a single, streamlined law that ensures that foreign visitors and immigrants are:
in the country legally;
have the means to sustain themselves economically;
not destined to be burdens on society;
of economic and social benefit to society;
of good character and have no criminal records; and
contributors to the general well-being of the nation.
The Mexican law also ensures that:
immigration authorities have a record of each foreign visitor;
foreign visitors do not violate their visa status;
foreign visitors are banned from interfering in the country's internal politics;
foreign visitors who enter under false pretenses are imprisoned or deported;
foreign visitors violating the terms of their entry are imprisoned or deported;
those who aid in illegal immigration will be sent to prison.
Boy, it is apparent there are a whole bunch of Liberals out there and including a few who post here, who hate their country...
America doesn't need illegals serving in the military. The US Armed Forces are doing just fine and have the best military force ever put on the planet, except for the Huns that sacked Rome.
@its2hot
So we should base our laws on the way things are done in Mexico? That sounds very unpseudo-patriotic. Where were you with that thought when we were talking about Health care?
And Larry, I love my country therefore - as a TRUE patriot - I INSIST on the right to criticise her and voice my opinions.
Everyone in that picture looks so happy. They are all smiles. If they are soo upset, then why look so happy?
SgtRock: 25% for black males? really? that has nothing to do with the illegals. It would still be 25% with no illegals.
how dare AZ make it illegal to be illegal. what is the world coming to?
Voters need to vote out those who do not enforce the laws of the united states.Illegals know that the federal goverment does not enforce our immigration laws,and something needs to be done about that. I think that if you came to this country illegally,you should never be allowed to become legal.no path to citizenship for people who knowingly broke the law by entering this country illegally.Arizona should take dna samples from every illegal they arrest,bet a lot of rapes,murder,and other crimes would be solved.I think that every one who comes legally should,as a condition to be coming a citizen, should have to submit a dna sample.use the power of the vote and fire those who are unwilling to secure our borders,starting with obama.with over 10% of real,legal americans out of work,now is certainly time to enforce our immigration laws.As a tax payer,I do not want my money to pay for their health care or to educate their kids .Americans wake up,and use the power of the vote.I see now that I made a mistake voting for obama,I will not make that mistake again. illegals should not have any rights what so ever here in the united states.Hispanics are upset,too bad, they will get over it.They do not want the united states to enforce our immigration laws,bet if some one broke into their home,or assulted them they would want the police to enforce the law then.
I understand the food markets in Arizona are demanding your swipe your passport in the express check out lines.Can anyone confirm this?
Obama lost points with me on this one. The laws are already on the Fed books regarding immigration however they're not being enforced. All Arizona did was enforce what is the "law of the land." Obama being a constitutional lawyer should know this.
Arizona is in the right on this one.
The Governor did what is right. For President Obama to make a statement like he did, about this action being misguided, what the hell is wrong with his thinking, I respect the office of the Presidency, but President Obama is wrong on this. it's like he have more respect for the illegal aliens then he do for the rule of law, I think that the President is racist, he just happen to be racist against legal American Citizens. My heart goes out to the children of illegal aliens; their parent really put them in a jam. Most of the Kids protesting are children of illegal aliens, who are Citizens, most Hispanic politicians are against this bill, because they want the vote of the anchor baby, I think that even if you are born here in this country to an illegal alien, you and an anchor baby should also be an illegal alien. American citizens will never get use to, or accept illegal immigration. Mexico is totally corrupted, and we are heading down the same road.
ILLEGALS GO HOME! ILLEGALS GO HOME! WE DONT WANT YOU HERE!
YOU DON'T WANT THE ILLEGALS BUT I BET YOU WANT THAT CHEAP LETTUCE DON'T YOU? LOL
Of course the reason this Country has been lax on the migration situation in the past 8 years is because of "Special interests",so now for the interests of a few the rest of us have to "suck on it" shut-up, look the other way, don't talk outta turn, etc, etc,..
History repeating itself, its just a matter of time before the rotten smelly side of this issue manifests....You all can go through all this brain science opinionification you want..
Reading the posts, most understand that the foreigners and liberals posting here is a clear indication that they seek nothing more than to see America become a cesspool for their own selfish reasons.
I for one don't care if illegals are rounded up cattle and put in a stick trailer and shipped back or if they rot in the gutters, they've sucked America dry and we're sick of it. Americans need to rise and stand up for our rights, take back what these career politicians have done to us and vote in people who work for us and do the job they're hired to do, protect America and look out for our best interest, not they're greedy pathological lying ways.
For those who have any doubts, sit back and look at the economy, quality of life, hours of work paying for illegal's we work, and our taxes. Surprising isn't it, we work for them, they don't work for us. American shouldn't be forced to live to work, we're supposed to work to live and live our lifes to the fullest.
By its2hot-
You are so right. Look at us now, losing our jobs and homes - we cannot afford to take care of anyone unless we take care of ourselves first. This country needs people to work, not siphon the taxpayers.
Support your unions & Buy American!
Bravo Arizona!!!
Stand up for America, even when BO, Reid and many others would sell us out to illegals, and for what? Votes. This IS America. Be proud and protect it.
What I find nauseating is the "nazi" references. Except for some keywords that the above posters have used there are no similarities. There are no patches, no tattoo's, nothing. None at all. I doubt many if any at all that oppose illegal's here "hate" latinos. What we hate is the fact they have broken our country's and even their own country's laws to get here. Yes they have rights as human beings, but not as American citizens. They do not have the right to our jobs, welfare, medical, education. Would their home countries welcome us with the same? NO. Deport the illegals and welcome the ones that have made the legal effort and are here legally.
what are you saying Bush? that the 13% of americans out of work in this country, they couldn't find anyone to pick lettuce for an honest days pay?
Good for Arizona. Maybe if all you people,weren't saying, "thats profiling, you're violating their rights, crap, we would have more secure borders, and that rancher would be alive today. Maybe they need to amend the law that says if you cross the border into america just to have a baby doesn't make you an american citizen, you still have to go through the proper procedure. If a cop pulled me over for a burned out tail light, he would be doing his job, if he pulled over a hispanic, he would be profiling. Bunch of crap. Profile already, get them out of here.
If the rantings of the its2hots out there don't make you sick and embarrassed, you are not smarter than a 5th grader.
Run the numbers -
Arizona 70% for the bill
About 15% undecided
70% of Arizona is not Republican vs. Democrat, Right/Left or Redneck/Hippy ratio! The vast majority are tired of the IMPACT of this open border posture left over from Janet Napolitano!
Speaking of JayNap - She is now using the Department of Justice to go after Sheriff Joe Arpaio for enforcing the very laws this bill authorizes! You can't make this stuff up!
When this bill is duplicated in 3-4 more States, you will see the Obamma-Amin turn 180 and quietly remove immigration reform off the agenda.
its2hot is obviously an unrepentant racist. Urging human beings to be treated like animals (cattle) because they were born on the wrong side of an imaginary line is disgraceful.
The same bigoted lines from past discussions about immigration being parroted by the ignorant and fearful here in the 21st century.
Of course you will claim that you aren't a racist, but the terrible, hateful tone of your above posts makes that fact painfully obvious to everyone. Do you even see it yourself?
I am sure you'll say that it isn't ALL Brown people you hate, just law breakers - that is the normal coward cop out from the pseudo-patriot set. That is also why you are so afraid of an amnesty law; because then your law-and-order argument would be rendered moot and you might have to put your Klan hood back on.
You are a great example of a terrible American, I would suggest a history book and possibly a little travel.
no nitro, what would happen is, the farmers would have to pay better than min. wage, and that would jack up the price of all produce and veggies, they would also be required by the new law of the land to furnish every employee healthcare, which would jack up the price again, for all our produce and veggies.However, when unemployment runs out, and 13% of americans are sitting at home on welfare,medicaid and food stamps, we will have millions of illegals, working the fields, AND getting welfare, medicaid and food stamps. I want to know at what point did parents teach their kids, they were too good to do a hard days work for little money?There are alot of good, hard working honest illegals, that help this country run, problem is, the lazy, corrupted,illegal criminals have ruined it for everyone. Change the age old law. I am all for families that have lived here, been law abiding, speak english, the kids are doing well in school, give them status. Those that are sitting on welfare, sucking us dry, and the ones breaking our laws, send them packing, and keep them out.E-verify is a good tool, to keep track of this, but guess who knocked that one down? I'll give you initials and see if you can guess....HR and BO.
I never understood why local police could not enforce federal laws. Makes no sense. This is a great step by Az. I hope other states take the same stance. Obama can move to Mexico and run for president down there. As for "profiling" and harassing Latinos, don't cry. My grandfather was German and when my dad went into the US Army Air Core the officials came to interview my grandparents to make sure they were not spies. People of Japanese descent were rounded up during WWII. Sometimes the country has to do what it must to protect its' citizens so these things are going to happen. My grandparents did not sue because they were profiled.
ThisOne Guy, its because of attitudes such as yours......the fuzzy touchy feely, that our country is supporting illegals to the point we are in a crisis.and some examples of "traveling" and seeing how other countries function....Australia..up until this last president..which if you research that country now has an influx of illegals sucking them dry, you had to prove to the country over a course of years, that you would be gainfully employed, not sucking off the govt, a law abiding, hard working contribution to the country before you got citizenship status. Germany is the same way. Even Canada has stricter laws on illegals. US is only one of 3 or 4 countries that allow citizenship and the benifits to a border crosser just for that purpose. It needs to stop.The law needs to be changed. Just giving anmesty to millions will not solve the problem, just like the healthcare bill.
Harry Reid, President Obama, or any of these politicians are not being threatened by illegal aliens, it's the people of Arizona, the federal government has failed to protect the people of Arizona, and the rest of this Nation. Politicians on both sides are guilty of playing politics with the lives of Citizens. At least the Governor of AZ took a solid stand. There is absolutely nothing racist about this, what is racist against American Citizens is for Illegal Aliens to invade the United States, and demand that they deserve citizenship because they are willing to do the Jobs that Americans want do, This country will survive just fine without corruption, and illegal aliens, there are plenty of Americans willing to pick fruit, or vegs, or whatever. It's just that many farmers know that they can't treat American citizens like they do the illegal aliens; this has a lot to do with greed, and corruption. Next we will have another outbreak of food contamination, I suggest you wash your produce very good, investigations have shown, that illegal aliens will urinate, and defecate, or food, in retaliation when things don't go their way.
"Next we will have another outbreak of food contamination, I suggest you wash your produce very good, investigations have shown, that illegal aliens will urinate, and defecate, or food, in retaliation when things don't go their way"
Oh wow. Why don't you cite a source for this non sense?
Is this like the lies that Jews poisoned wells, or sacrificed Christian children?
Lipton: in regard to healthcare, 8 out of 10 babies born at U.M.C are born to illegal alien mothers, who's children become citizens by being born on the tax payers dollar, the hell with the corrupt farmers, you make a lot about produce going up and so on, SO What! I'd rather have more security, pay more if I have to for greens, these illegal's are sucking to blood out of us. They get food stamps, and welfare for their children born here, get public housing, and then have a husband, or breeder pumping out babies like rabbits, they exploit their own children by making them victims, and then when their children grow up they protest, and ask" why are you treating to break up my family", this is Madness, and it needs to stop, what about the wellbeing of my children, and grand children, their future is being robbed, American citizens are tire of this. the insanity must stop. We don't owe illegal aliens Shi! We don't owe the Mexican Gov. squat, or any other people for whatever country they come from, including any European country, if they are here illegally they also need to get the hell out of this country!
"8 out of 10 babies born at U.M.C are born to illegal alien mothers"....
hmmm... do you have a source for that, by chance?
"When this bill is duplicated in 3-4 more States, you will see the Obamma-Amin turn 180 and quietly remove immigration reform off the agenda."
Wanna bet?
I love reading your liberal posts. Just in case you haven't notice you nut cases, it is your party that has desecrated America and it is your party that promotes racism and much of the sickest immoral choices humans live by. It are people like you and your kind that have taken our once great land and have turned us into a land of free loading blood sucking no good for nothing pathological liars and thieves that expect we the taxpayers to support your no good for nothing life.
And yes, you bet treat illegal's like the animals they are and ship them back. We Americans are sick and tired of having to live to work and support liberals no good for nothing choices you sick animals support.
And for you socialist not cases, get a clue, we're not in your mainland, we're in America. We're not going to succumb to your sick lifestyles either; Americans are on the rise and we're taking back what your nut cases president is attempting to do America, further desecrate America. Obama is being removed in 2012, if not impeached before then along with the rest of your lunatics in office, this is America.
pmont, you missed my point. I am all for getting illegals out of our country. There was a post prior to mine that had intimated americans wouldn't pick lettuce for cheaper than min. wage.
ThisOneGuy, I suggest you continue to eat and feed your family produce and veggies without additional precautions!!
Back in the late 70's early 80's, a similiar thing happened and they found that the angry illegals in the fields were doing exactly that, urinating and defecating, in, around and on the produce they were picking. There was an investigation after numerous people got sick from produce harvested at a particular farm, not that much different than the pimple faced kid spitting in your drink or food when you p*ssed them off.
Yeah, gmag, I'll bet you. That is, unless the oh' gifted one, gets his secret adjective list out and puts a cabosh to it, for the hispanic vote factor, another nail in the countries coffin.I wonder if, when we are totally done, if they will drape us in the traditional american flag, or will we get that stupid obama rendition of an american flag that looks like the pepsi logo.
I am a Democrat for life, but we absolutely must have strong illegal immigration laws. When you combine the Catholic Church and an uneducated mass, the results are catastrophic poverty and overpopulation, as we are seeing in Mexico. In Mexico City, when they do an autopsy, they find fecal dust in people's lungs. These people are litterly choking to death from their own excrement due to overpopulation. Until the Mexican government can educate the Mexican people to the point they can stand up against the Catholic Church, there will be no hope.
uddeboda, its called "ILLEGAL", you really aren't that dense are you?
melissa, wwwhhhhhaaatttt? what on gods green earth does the catholic church have anything to do with "illegals" sucking america dry? OOOHHHH, I see, you think its the standards of the church that doesn't believe in abortion that has created this mess? boy are you reaching. Lets reach to the other side, maybe if people had higher moral standards there wouldn't be a problem at all.
Still can't cite a source for you Blood Libel lies can you?
I was alive in the 70's and 80's I don't remember that. It sounds like a good excuse for your pograms though.
Selfish, ignorant, angry people. Maybe you should get out of your HOA once in a while, somewhere other than Starbucks or PT's. Quit being so scared of people who don't look like you and try to live a little.
Let me see if I can find the history on that for you. Until then, ignorance can still be bliss.
It was in California, San Louis Obispo area, it may have even been in the late 80's.
Searching the archives for that time period would obviously take some time, and I'm really not that interested in taking all that kind a time for you, you look it up, and if you don't care to believe it, I purpose you continue to eat your produce with no addition health precations.
You have a 20 year timespan for your story, and a possible location? Are you sure you didn't hear it from a guy who knows a guy?
In the best traditions of the klan, the "know nothings" and the nazis: way to propagate baseless hate and stereotypes.
Seriously, if you base your values and ideals on such flimsy anecdotal "evidence" in this case, then I hate to think how you react to talk radio and fox news.
Even if your story WAS true, so what? One instance of something does not a rule make.
Maybe you should learn some critical thinking skills: quit believing everything you read or worse, hear, and try to open your mind a bit.
Becoming angry and bitter over things you don't even truly understand just cannot be healthy. Try to think of other people for once and cheer up.
because you ignore something, does not mean it didn't happen or that you should shrug it off. I'm perfectly happy learning from our history and events that have occured and learning from them. I wish the same could hold true with many others.
I lived in that area when this all occured,the raids,the rotting fields and the locals who wouldn't do the work, and the angry illegals.
anyway...... do what you think best with the info, or do nothing, don't really care.
for someone to say repubs didn't hate enough, thats why we are where we are today, then in the next breath accuse them of hating too much, makes no sense, especially when we have an admin that will give away the farm, apologise for our behavior, and then make you pay for it, again makes no sense.
Obama expressed his belief that the Merida Initiative can help the U.S. to aid Mexico in its anti-drug initiatives. Through the Merida Initiative last year, the United States gave Mexico $300 million in aid to help the Mexican government confront the drug cartels and other criminal organizations.
"On security, President-elect Obama underscored his interest in finding ways to work together to reduce drug-related violence," Gibbs said.
"He told President Calderon that he intends to ask the Secretary of Homeland Security to lead an effort to increase information sharing to strengthen those efforts. He pledged to take more effective action from the United States to stem the flow of arms from the United States to Mexico," he said.
Gmag, I'll make a bet with you. After Reid is voted out this November, we'll see Obama completely ignore immigration and let Yucca come back. I would almost go so far as to say Obama will drop all of Reid's pet projects like a hot potato.
Obama came through the Chicago school of politics, his loyalty will last only as long as Reid's usefulness to him.
@uddeboda..
Please tell me where the bill says only "immigrants"...your a typical liberal spinner who leaves out the word ILLEGAL! Woops!! in your world I'm now a racist for saying what I did. DOPE!
boftx, excellent!
On November 3rd, Barry will say:
"Harry who???"
70 percent of Arizonians support the new bill to control illegal immigration.
60 percent of Americans also support Arizonia's efforts to control illegal immigration...
"Obama said earlier Friday that he's instructed the Justice Department to examine the Arizona bill to see if it's legal, and said the federal government must enact immigration reform at the national level - or leave the door open to "irresponsibility by others.""
Below is from Wikipedia regarding Sanctuary Cities;
"Several US cities have instructed their own law enforcement personnel and other city employees not to notify or cooperate with the federal government when they become aware of illegal immigrants living within their jurisdiction.
Many cities, including Washington, D.C., New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco,[89] San Diego, Austin, Salt Lake City, Phoenix, Dallas, Houston, Detroit, Jersey City, Minneapolis, Miami, Denver, Aurora, Colorado, Baltimore, Seattle, Portland, Oregon, Portland, Maine, and Senath, Missouri, have become "sanctuary cities", having adopted ordinances banning police from asking people about their immigration status.[90][self-published source?]
Most of these cities claim that the benefit illegal immigrants bring to their city outweigh the costs. Opponents say the measures violate federal law as the cities are in effect creating their own immigration policy, an area of law which only Congress has authority to alter."
No wonder everyone is confused, the Fed's can't seem to grasp or enforce the context of the laws currently on the books. Our local legislators make the rules up as they go along and get a pass from the Fed. It is past time that the American people's voice is heard. Which if I'm hearing correctly is; close the borders and allow legal immigration.
I like what AZ has done, but the fallout from this might be another story. Reid was all set to postpone this issue in the Senate and focus on other matters up til now (never mind what he told a rally here in Las Vegas).
But now, AZ has forced his hand and we will probably see another bad law hurriedly thrown together that nobody will read before voting on. They've already gutted requirements for E-Verify, now they'll pass something that makes it illegal for state and local law-enforcement to even ask for a driver's license if the person is Latino.
Reid has gotten his marching orders from Obama, as has Pelosi. At least the true colors are being shown now, and they're not red, white and blue.
uddeboda, it is going to be hard to frame a response to you that won't be deleted by the moderators, but I will try.
There is no argument that animal cruelty is horrific.
But to say that the law is an indication of AZ's mentality towards life in general is to ignore that various forms of animal fights are more popular among some groups than others and this law might in fact reduce the occurance of such fights in AZ. There are many news stories that talk about the problem in other countries whose populations might be affected by this law and the extraordinary (and largely ineffective) steps that have been taken to stamp out the practice.
"I like what AZ has done, but the fallout from this might be another story."
YA THINK???
botfx, they have no idea of the "unintended consequences" to come, my friend!
Racial profiling is now legal in AZ.
READ THE GOVERNORS STATEMENT at the bill signing.
Basically, she says "I don't know what they look like. But we'll put together a sheet on that and get it out there."
ARE YOU SERIOUS???
And the ugly ego-centric "American Patriotism"
that is being espoused by the nutjobs is going to exacerbate the situation:
"The people have spoken and the law has passed. Lets be frank......no one really wants these illegals and once they are gone no one will remember them.
Time to throw out the trash."
America; Land of the free, home of the NutJob.
kuntakente claims to be an African American, and apparently has a case of "I've got mine, screw everyone else." What short memories Humans have.
Selfish is selfish and you conservative blowhards are as Un American and Unpatriotic as a person can be.
Kuntakente in his poorly worded post, managed to, again, use the word "invasion." I love when pseudo-patriots use that term: it perfectly illustrates either their pathetic cowardice or blatant dishonesty. If you really believe that this is an "invasion" and you are just crying about it from the safety of the Internet, then shame on you for your cowardice. If however, you actually do not believe it is an invasion then you are, in fact, a liar - and shame on you yet again.
As is evident in many of the posts above, xenophobia, racism and bigotry usually travel hand in hand with intellectual dishonesty, selfishness and moral bankruptcy. Just another day out for the corporate puppets known as modern American conservatives.
gmag, at least have the decency of of giving proper credit to quotations that you use in your posts. Your first one above is correctly attributed to me, but the second one in is not attibuted so poeple will also think that is mine, which it is not.
It is fine for you to disagree with my words, but don't disagree with others and make them look like mine.
well, boftx, If you say so...the quote that was not attributed was from the post DIRECTLY ABOVE MINE.
Mia kulpa.
I hope that means you have more sense than kuntakinte.
"I hope that means you have more sense than kuntakinte." - gmag39
Seeing that I proably agree with him more often that you I suspect you would say that I do not. On the other hand, I would say that more often than not my positions make more sense than yours. :)
Always vote yes on shcools and on prisons. When you get enough of either one most social problems will be solved.
Nice talk there nitro...
Hey: Thisoneguy, there is absolutely nothing wrong with Kuntakente's post, Why attack what you consider his poorly worded post. I understand and agree with what is said, and most Americans who are sick of this illegal invasion are sick of it also. Just because you might be able to compose a sentence don't mean sh*t. Seem to me that you are one educated fool. I guarantee you that I am no coward, I voice my opinion, just like Kuntakente, you, and others, because you may disagree with him is no reason to attack his intelligence. You ASSume a lot. I like Kuntakente see this as in invasion, there is nothing cowardly, or dishonest about this, this is a fact. Your logic is just plain stupidity. There is nothing racist about the Gov. Signing that bill, or Americans not wanting this country invaded, by illegal aliens, you ASSume a lot, this issue of illegal immigration, is not a race issue, our nation have illegal citizens from another country breaking our laws, and you blame Legal citizens for wanting to kept, law and order. I like many other Veterans, who fought for this country, I did not put my life on the line for my country to see it constantly get invaded by illegal aliens, 8 out of 10 babies born at UMC are to illegal aliens, these children automatically get welfare, and food stamps, they are children of illegal aliens, they fill up our hospitals, jail, and class rooms, the future of my children are at stake, and you want to blame American Citizens for wanting to see this stop, Sir you are out of you damn mind, grade me on my grammar, but not on my loyalty and concern to this country. We don't owe Mexico, or England, or whoever Sh#t, if you love illegal immigrants, and what they are doing to this country, I suggest you pack your bags and move to Mexico, or England.
I am an American . . . Where we are now is not as big an issue for me as where we will be tomorrow. Managing where we are now is better then managing where we will be tomorrow if something doesn't change.
I DON'T CARE WHAT THE COST; we have to secure our borders. It has to be done folks. Immigration, drugs, terrorists, kidnappers, car thieves take your pick it doesn't matter.
All things my President, State and local Government and Law Enforcement are sworn to defend me from . . . or so I thought ? ? ?
Thank You Arizona
I am an American . . . Where we are now is not as big an issue for me as where we will be tomorrow. Managing where we are now is better then managing where we will be tomorrow if something doesn't change.
I DON'T CARE WHAT THE COST; we have to secure our borders. It has to be done folks. Immigration, drugs, terrorists, kidnappers, car thieves take your pick it doesn't matter.
All things my President, State and local Government and Law Enforcement are sworn to defend me from . . . or so I thought? ? ?
Thank You Arizona
Hey kuntakente... I like the way you think.
It is illegal for a law enforcement officer to pull over anyone for the sole purpose to ask them about their citizenship or anything else.
There must be probable cause before you can be stopped...
So all of those Amnesty Liberals out there should quit trying to scare people about racial profiling...
My guess is that the people who have the most problem with this are the ones who are not taking responsibility. Otherwise, why are you concerned about the Governor trying to enforce the law? It is about time someone did something. We just cannot afford to support those from other countries here ILLEGALLY when people are complaining about our own citizens who are hard working union members desiring a fair wage.
First they came for the Terrorists,
but I wasn't a terrorist so I didn't say anything.
Then they came for the 401k plans and IRAs,
but I didn't have a 401k or IRA so I didn't speak up.
Then they came for the Immigrants,
but because they all looked like Mexicans, nobody spoke up...
Soon, they will come for me, but by then, I'll be in China making money designing Wind Farms while the Americans are learning how dinosaurs rode on Noah's Ark.
And by then, it may be too late for them.
as a mexican american i dont see anything wrong with the new law in all honesty its not stating anything all undocumented people didnt already know.On that note my only concern is that when i drive through arizona is that because i am BROWN for lack of better term i might get harrassed think about it it is a border state i highly doubt theyre gonna be looking at lets say some of the more PASTY colored folks again i apologize for the terms used
uddeboda...
shut-up you race baiter. Typical hater. Nice capitalization on the word brown. Gotta love the race baiters, they use the word "racist" like it means anything anymore. This is not the 1960's, but good try.