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Published Monday, April 26, 2010 | 10:31 a.m.
Updated Monday, April 26, 2010 | 1:52 p.m.
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Gov. Jim Gibbons
Harry Reid
Sun Coverage
On the heels of Arizona's crackdown on illegal immigration, Gov. Jim Gibbons today issued a statement saying he is demanding the Obama administration take immediate action to enforce federal immigration laws.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid responded to the governor's statement this afternoon.
Gibbons said Obama is ignoring the federal government's responsibility in protecting the country's borders. He said the Obama administration's inaction is forcing states like Arizona to respond, leaving state taxpayers to foot the bill.
"This president and this administration, including Congressional Leaders Senator Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, are shamelessly pandering for political gain," Gibbons said in a statement. "These people should start acting like leaders and start enforcing federal laws. Instead, they blame others for their own ineffectiveness."
Gibbons said federal immigration laws should take technological advances into account, such as facial recognition and biometric ID card technology.
"There are people crossing the border committing violent crimes and others who want to harm America through terrorism," Gibbons said. "President Obama, Reid and Pelosi are 'asleep at the switch' and they must take action now or America families will continue to suffer."
In response to Gibbons, Reid said in a statement Monday afternoon that Republicans have blocked attempts at immigration reform.
"As the governor should know, no one has spent more time on this issue in the Senate than I have," Reid said. "Unfortunately, even though the last immigration reform bill was supported by then-President George W. Bush, Republicans blocked it. The Senate is going to try once again to pass reform that is tough on people who break the law, fair to taxpayers and practical to implement. If Governor Gibbons is sincere in his desire to reform our broken immigration system, I hope he will encourage his fellow Republicans to begin working with us on solutions, rather than just saying ‘no’."
Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, who signed a tough immigration bill on Friday, has argued Arizona must act because the federal government has failed to stop the steady stream of illegal immigrants and drugs that move through Arizona from Mexico.
Opponents say the law will lead to rampant racial profiling and turn Arizona into a police state with provisions that require police to question people about their immigrant status if they suspect they are here illegally. Day laborers can be arrested for soliciting work if they are in the U.S. illegally, and police departments can be sued if they don't carry out the law.
But supporters of the law, set to take effect in late July or August, say it is necessary to protect Arizonans from a litany of crimes committed by illegal immigrants. Arizona is home to an estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Nevada needs to pass the same law Arizona just passed.
The crimes are fallout from the drug war, not anything to do with illegals or immigration. Even if you were to magically make every illegal disappear from America, there are plenty of American citizens that would end up being used as mules, getting kidnapped over drugs, etc.
Make pot legal, and make the border securing priority drugs rather than illegals.
Jimmeh still doesn't know he's irrelevant. John Ensign has more credibility than him.
Its about time.They have only been pouring in for about 20 years.Now that the State is broke they finally open there eyes.
Demanding? This putz?
"Nevada needs to pass the same law Arizona just passed."
Agreed. With the unemployment at an all time high, the last thing Nevada needs are illegals working here while legal immigrants and U.S. citizens continue to go without work. Just three years ago, no self-respecting American working-class voter would even consider taking a job harvesting produce. Right now, those jobs are looking pretty good if it means earning an honest dollar.
Too bad Obama doesn't seem to understand, or maybe he does and he just doesn't care. Americans are still losing their jobs, their homes, and their respect for the law. Last week I talked to the manager of the grocer I regularly visit and he was telling me the thefts (pushouts) are getting worse every day.
It's America got selfish and started looking out for her own instead of everybody else.
Every country on this planet requires that any foriegn national carry visa, passport or other documentation at all times
That is Federal Law..
I hear the Arizona law is verbatim Federal Statutes and ..before Carter, local police did enforce immigration law..so what changed? The local police routinely enforce all other Federal Laws.
I think the Courts will find that law Constitutional..and there are people waiting in line to sue....
We demand Gibbons takes action on his morality....
How long has this guy been in office now? Four years and just now he's stomping his feet like a petulant child over immigration?
Another election year stunt by Gibbons...
Obama has no intentions on taking action on our Southern borders. The Federal Government has failed the American people. Nevada, like Arizona should adopt the exact bill that Arizona has because the government will NEVER get it right.
see what happens boys and girls...
when you have no campaign funds...
hee hee hee...
hey monkey boy gibbons...
the saddest part of all is...
you never learned how to play well with others...
sad...
truly sad...
Sitting Bull expressed similar concerns.
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Of paraniod fearmongering, Abe Lincoln would have said;
"You can fool some of the people, ALL of the time"...
-- cool site; Balkingpoints ; incredible satellite view of earth
The Bush wall didn't work? Imagine that!
Gibbons is right. Let the people in the States affected the most by Illegal Mexicans, have the opportunity to rid ourselves of a huge problem. These trespassing people are substandard in the overall scheme of what type of people we need to come in here and aid our society, not destroy it.
"shamelessly pandering for political gain"
Pot to kettle, Pot to kettle, come in please.
Where was Gibbons during the previous administration??? Oh, most of that time he was IN WASHINGTON and did nothing. He needs to sit down and shut up.
He is just about out of power and will ride into the sunset in northern Nevada. They can have him.
Uh...
Didn't Gibbons employ a woman who said Gibbons knew she was illegal?
http://www.8newsnow.com/Global/story.asp...
Next Gibbons will demand Obama stop married men from text-messaging their married girlfriends!
The Governor is on target and doing his job. Too bad Obama is not doing his by enforcing the immigration laws of the United States.
By the way...
70 percent of Arizonians support their new bill to control illegal immigration.
60 percent of Americans also support Arizona's efforts to control illegal immigration...
Democrats support amnesty -
74 percent of Nevada's Democrats SUPPORT offering amnesty to illegal immigrants, while 20 percent oppose.
Republicans oppose amnesty -
79 percent of Nevada's Republicans OPPOSE offering amnesty to illegal immigrants, while 14 percent support.
Barry and Harry are on the wrong side of the fence on this one...
Anybody else remember Jim Gibbons' illegal nanny? Does the Governor plan to arrest himself?
I have to agree - which is very scary for me!
While I am a registered democrat, I am one that believes the only way to get out of unemployment is to employ Americans who pay taxes and need the work.
I think technological advances need to be made. For those on the right who fear for invasion of privacy - I think you need to step back and ask yourself what is more important - Finding work or allowing those illegally here to continue to take our work, not pay taxes, and subsequently force those who make more money to pay more taxes.
I would suggest you pick the former. The government can find ways to make sure any technological identification measures are limited to JUST CITIZENSHIP STATUS. Don't believe in all of those conspiracy theories - this is why people don't like you. =)
For everyone who is fighting these immigration laws - is it because you are an illegal immigrant? If not, what are you afraid of? I have no problem welcoming a Mexican-American who applies for citizenship, passes the tests to become a citizen and pays taxes. I wouldn't even mind you speaking a different language. America should be the land of opportunity and diversity, I welcome as many languages as possible.
WHAT I DON"T WELCOME are those who continue to force me to pay for more government services because emergency rooms are forced to pay for your care - because you exempt yourself from paying taxes, but can have access to our services.
I welcome any arguement as to why we shouldn't toughen immigration laws. I may be liberal for many things, but not with regards to my tax dollars being spent on helping those residing unlawfully in our country.
Smokescreen, smokescreen.....
Don't be fooled.
The primary is five weeks away and the only reason we are hearing anything about immigration or Obama from Gibbons is so he can try to get to the right of Sandoval.
Passing a bill like Arizona's would be a huge threat to international tourism in Nevada.
But I had completely forgot about Gibbons and the illegal nanny, Scandalmonger and ksand99. Thanks for reminding me of Gibbons' hypocrisy on yet another issue.
a big part of the problem is Americans hiring illegals to bypass minimum wage and labor laws.
Gibbons did this himself by hiring an illegal nanny- don't you hate it when politicians believe they are above the law and the rest of us must toe the line?
God Bless Gov. Gibbons! When Gov. Gibbons lived in Reno, he captured an illegal alien couple and stored them in his basement. Because of the islamo-communisto liberals, it took a few years to bring them to justice. Meanwhile, Gov. Gibbons made them earn their keep by serving as his housekeeper and nanny.
Gov. Gibbons is right about these illegals committing crimes and acts of terrorism. For example, when Chrissy Mazzeo was walking to her car, an islamo-communisto-illegal assaulted her. Fortunately, Gov. Gibbons was there to fend off the assailant and save the day!
Remember, any criticism of Gov. Gibbons means you want to raise taxes, you don't support the troops and you hate America. This is a warning to all those islamo-communisto-liberals who view Gov. Gibbons as a cheesy political opportunist with no real public policy.
"The Governor is on target and doing his job. Too bad Obama is not doing his by enforcing the immigration laws of the United States."
Larry, that is perhaps the most ignorant thing you've ever said, and you have said many, many things that defy logic.
Gym Gibbons is an I D I O T.
Gym Gibbons was a U.S. CONGRESSMAN.
Name 1 single thing Gym Gibbons did as a U.S. Congressman to "enforce current U.S. immigration laws."
Gym Gibbons was an EMPLOYER OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
Arizona's new law will be a massive clustermuck.
Listen to AZ's Governor at the "signing ceremony"
for the bill:
Asked what criteria will be used to establish reasonable suspicion of someone's legal status, Brewer said, "I don't know. I do not know what an illegal immigrant looks like."
"I know that if AZPOST (law enforcement) gets itself together, works on this law, puts down the description, that the law will be enforced civilly, fairly and without discriminatory points to it."
Are you SERIOUS, WOMAN???
"Heck, I don't know WHAT they look like, but we'll get a sheet out on that so the coppers know just what to look for."
YOU JUST COULD NOT MAKE THIS STUFF UP!
"I think technological advances need to be made. For those on the right who fear for invasion of privacy - I think you need to step back and ask yourself what is more important - Finding work or allowing those illegally here to continue to take our work, not pay taxes, and subsequently force those who make more money to pay more taxes."
You sound like the same people rushing to pass the Patriot Act after 9/11. Sacrificing liberty in the name of security. What a shame.
Gibbons, show us your ORIGINAL, doctor signed birth certificate. Carry it with you at all times: Note to Police: Send him to Utah if he doesn't have it! Remember--only the original. not a copy, not a Nevada-provided document.
BTW, Jim, what are you going to cut from the budget? The next shortfall is about 35-45%!!! of the total budget. Maybe we can just fine you for the illegal Nanny.
In any case not one new idea from this guy. He plays follow-the-leader to show us he's "tough" [like to the cocktail waitress....]
Gibbons is a M-O-R-O-N! If Obama does take action on immigration like Gibbons says he wants, he and the Republican party will be out of power for generations. He should take a look at what happened to Pete Wilson & the Republican Party in California. You're wakin' up a sleeping giant....
I made a promise to myself that I won't listen to Governor Gibbons on anything until he explains why he feels a need to hide his girlfriend in a Reno Airport bathroom away from news cameras.
According to federal immigration laws, legal residents (green card holders) are REQUIRED to carry their I-551 (green card) at all times or face a $300 penalty...
Also according to federal immigration laws, U.S. citizens do not need to carry any documents showing U.S. citizenship and can make oral declarations to determine their citizenship...
don't you hate it when politicians believe they are above the law and the rest of us must toe the line?
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You mean, "don't I hate life 24/7?"
"You sound like the same people rushing to pass the Patriot Act after 9/11. Sacrificing liberty in the name of security. What a shame."
I don't see how any liberty is lost by simply acknowledging that you are a citizen of the United States of America, and not an individual attempting to cheat the system. I would be proud to be a U.S. Citizen. Travel elsewhere, and you will know just how lucky we are, as much as we complain and cry about everything.
Documents that were signed to create this country did so for citizens of our country. Those documents provided the very concepts of "liberty" and The American Dream you speak of. So if you are not a citizen of this country, why should you be granted the same privilages as those who every year pay taxes? The "security" you speak of isn't that we should deport them on sight. My view is that if they are caught illegally, they attempt to become nationalized, and they pay their state and federal taxes - they contribute to our Democratic system.
The REAL shame is that you will continue to allow more Americans to remain out of work, a tax bracket to becoming more mismanageable, and for individuals to take advantage of what millions of tax paying citizens provide. The more that illegal individuals work and live here without paying their taxes, the more resources are used, and the more that others will have to pay more in taxes to support them.
I'm not saying that any invasion of privacy should happen for the sake of liberty. What I am saying is that it is unfair for those here illegally to not make an effort to become nationalized. If technology is the only way to make this happen, then it should at least be discussed.
Finally, I think it should be said that individuals who are here illegally aren't necessarily horrible people. I don't think these are individuals who work in jobs we sterotypically consider them to work in. These individuals may be very successful, and may very well be here with the intention of becoming nationalized. But don't reside here illegaly - thats it! Become U.S. Citizens!
What a buffoon. He's as pathetic as McCain now but twice as dumb.
That said, I agree with Gats in the sense that illegal immigration has been out of control for far too long. Whether it's e-verify, national id's, or simply fining companies who hire illegals out of business; we have put a stop the unofficial open borders policy of the past.
In no way should we compromise our rights as citizens, but all reasonable methods should be considered to address the problem.
Politicians and partisans of all stripes like to play this as a D vs. R issue, but it's not. It's just common sense that we take care of our own citizens needs before we invite the rest of the world to live here.
"so yeah, pass a law like arizona did...so people like myself stop going to vegas at a moment where NV needs every dollar they can get."
First, no problem. If the illegals were not here getting free education, free meals at schools, free healthcare, WIC, section 8 housing, welfare, unemployment, etc......we will sacrafice a few visitors such as yourself because your tiny loss of money here would be NOTHING compared to what the state would save.
Second, you got nerve threatening anybody when you are here illegally to begin with. I think we should be threatening you with deportation!
It is perfectly reasonable for a State to demand that the Federal Government "take action" and enforce existing laws.
However, Obama's idea of taking action is going to be to do away with immigration control as much as possible.
So for Gibbons to demand action from Obama now is probably not the best thing to do.
"Your papers, comrade?!?!"
EGADS!
The toilet paper people
As someone else stated, every other country requires you to carry papers, or show proof of citizenship. Tell you what, for those bleeding hearts that favor the illegals, we should have an "opt-in" program where if they're for the illegals being here, they and they alone can bear the financial burden of these law breakers. We'll just split up the cost, hundreds of millions, among those that opt-in - call it a bleeding heart tax - and we'll see how they feel about it. Those that opt-out won't have to pay an extra penny for the added medical, educational, criminal and other expenses that illegals bring with them. I have no problem with legal immigrants. I love Colbert's statement, "My great grandfather didn't travel 4,000 miles across the ocean to see this country overrun by immigrants." That's good stuff there..
I demand that Jim Gibbons engages his brain before talking.
jke1717
So your reasoning here is - let me see if I have this correct - that since OTHER countries do something then we should do it as well?
And as for your ingenious "opt in/out" system, that sounds like a swell plan. We could apply that to all sorts of programs and costs couldn't we? Like welfare, or medicare, or the highways, or the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Maybe you should turn off the TV, head to the local library, and pick up a 7th grade social studies or civics text book; I'll even opt in on that one for you. Get back to the adults when you're done with your homework. Ok junior?
I don't understand why drivers are required to carry drivers licenses on them when they drive a vehicle. Surely the police can just check the State's data base to determine that I have a lawful right to drive.
Why should I carry proof of vehicle registration or vehicle insurance with me when again the police can just check their data base.
I should also not have to carry my CCW permit. Police can just check the data base.
I also don't know why I have to carry my health insurance card with me when the hospital can just phone the insurance company when I can think of their name...
And I am getting tired of showing my drivers license when I cash a check or use my credit card.
My word should be good enough to prove who I am...
Oh, I forgot to mention about having to carry my library card when I want to check out a book at the library. How dare they...
Thanks to ThisOneGuy for reminding me about my library card...
And how about that stupid voter's registration card? They don't need to know who is voting. Now that is just plain wrong...
I am going to shred my passport because everyone should know who I am without me showing any identification...
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, with conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand a mighty woman with a torch, whose flame is the imprisoned lightning, and her name mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command the air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
'With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Almost all of us were immigrants at one point.
Almost all of us were LEGAL immigrants at one point...
To gmag39 - re: your 12:49 post about AZ Gov comments
Unfortunately, you fail to know a major detail. A huge issue that the demonstrators and opponents of this bill cite is that it will 'legalize' racial profiling. Read it, it doesn't.
The Governor's comment could not make that point clearer.
And the 'description' referred to regarding law enforcement is not what you (or so many others) believe it to be, a 'picture'. 'Describe' as used here is: 'to represent in words'; not 'to represent by a picture'.
Well jeez Dave, THAT makes it alright!
The description will be in writing, not a picture.
That will be very interesting!
I can't wait.
I'm sure our Gov'ner Gym will follow suit, he's
really good at flattering fools.
...and here I thought it would be a picture of Jesus!!!
@thisoneguy(aka overzealous liberal)
First of all, my point is that I find it ironic that other countries are protesting this new law. They protest our actions but they have the same standards already in place. Guatemala and Mexico are filing formal complaints against the Arizona law. Yet, I welcome you to take the Greyhound bus to Mexico and try and walk around that country for a while. Not to mention, the Arizona law mirrors very closely the federal guidelines that are already in place but not enforced. Who needs the Civics class genius?
Though clearly I am not serious, you throw out these other programs as red herrings. I have no problem supporting those other programs you mentioned. My contention is that with the state of our economy, this country needs to do something about illegal immigration and the costs associated with same. Are you telling me you're okay with that? You obviously can't bear that burden so you want others to help you out with your bleeding heart. A lot like the government assistance you're probably getting now, as you use the library computer.
Funny how you liberals react when someone goes against you here on the Sun page. You immediately attack anyone that has a differing view, hoping to run everyone off of here so you'll have it all to yourselves, making it some incestuous liberal love fest. While I find your post amusing, you are the one that seems to be in 7th grade. Instantly trying to insult someone with a different view. When you are done working your shift at Walmart and catch the Cat bus to stop by the library to use their computer, you let me know what your solution is to this immigration issue.
You're just a whacked out liberal looking to spew venom at anyone who opposes your myopic thinking, yet you have nothing to offer. Typical. There are givers and takers in this world. I'm guessing you're a taker, a taker of all the government assistance you can get.
Get a life buddy. And close your mouth when you breathe.
About time. If NV doesn't act, AZ may just push more immigrants our way because of their new law.
Jke1717
You act like all you do is hop on here to have a discussion and talk about the issues, but that really isn't the way it is. You are the first one to start blaming "bleeding hearts" for any of society's ills. You pulled this same "Who me?" routine with Gmag the other week. In your very first SUN post you told someone:
"Perhaps you should pack up and move to Canada if you like that country so much. Don't let the healthcare program hit you on the way out"
So seriously, don't talk to me about venom and insults. Man up a little, at least larry and stevem own their nonsense.
We're here already; we can read the writing on the whatever, amigo.
Too late, too bad huh? Need a lawn mowed? Lettuce picked? Grapes? avacado, house built? wired? lunch? driver? dryclean? pizza? cashier? room cleaned? shoe shine, suh?
There is a Real ID meeting on Wednesday. That is why Gibbons speaks of technological advances.
Reid lied. Bushes plan did pass and Obama and Clinton supported it. Immigration has been broken for decades, I guess to continue to blame Bush has worked so far, so why stop now, he's obviously confident some democrats will believe him without even looking anything up.Johnson and Kennedys immigration was a total failure.
Dems strategy, have a good speech writer, choose a pet project to impliment or change, blame Bush and/or republicans and you will have democrats falling all over themselves to support the cause, not giving a crap what it costs, who it affects, or how it changes our freedoms.
You know I remember when I was 5 my brother got arrested and charged for not having any money on him. I didn't quite understand that. But he was 17 at the time and it was 3 in the morning. The cop probably saved his life I don't know and in a way Im glad that I never had to find out. Now about this immigration thing. Why is it I have to have a id card on me at all times. its already on the books. But someone from another country wants to walk our streets with no ID whatsoever. I dont get it. where is the profiling. Are the Canadians, the French, Brits, and all other persons look white. And yet they too can be illegal also. It seems to me if the cops went down to North Town and checked every ID just to be racially profiling that would be all they would be doing all day long forever. There are over what 40% of our population that is hispanic. The cops would have to increase by 3 fold to keep up with the current case load and then profile. I don't know it just doesn't seem like the Cops want to increase there case load by that much. I believe were this has always gone about checking for immigration is money. The Gov, the Cops, the Sherrif wants more money to do the job that is suppose to be done by the Feds. I wonder if the Feds would pay $100 bucks for every person that is caught illegally by local law enforcement. I bet the immigration would not be a problem anymore. And Governor Jimbo would not be pounding on the pulpit.
The only real way to avoid any charge of profiling is to enforce it at the employer. Require that a person must establish that they may legally work in the U.S *before* they can be hired. Or, if you want more captures, require that an employer turn the information over to INS for anyone they hire and it then turns out that person is not entitled to work in this country.
The way it works today, an employer can not verify that you have the right to work here until *after* they hire you, that's backwards in my opinion.
illegal immigration in this country will never change until they change the law. The law that says when you are born on american soil, you automatically are a citizen and recieve all the rights and benifits americans recieve.Get rid of welfare, medicaid, food stamps education to anyone that CANNOT prove legal citizenship.If they get sick, cash only policy.Cut Mexico off, build the Berlin Wall, do whatever it takes to send the message, illegal entry and sucking this country dry will no longer be tolerated. That won't happen though, Obama will tell Mexico he's sorry for our behavior towards illegals, come on over we'll support you, and its Bushes fault for not inviting you sooner.
boftx, that is already a federal law, that has never been enforced, at the federal level.
E verify would help solve alot of that problem, but of course, the democrats put a stop to that one.
You know it's bad when even an Orthopedist can't find an honest bone in Gibbon's body.
lipton, I know basically what the current law is, that an employer can not verify your right to work until *after* you are hired. Yes, an employer can ask if you can work here legally, but can not take steps to verify that til after hire.
Some companies will take the proper steps, but most of them just ask for a copy of the appropriate documents (that can be had for $50) and don't do anything else. Companies that actually want to hire illegals are certainly not going to do more.
E-Verify would have done a lot to help force compliance, but we all know that Reid gutted that, even to the point of removing the requirement from government contractors.
Short of requiring every employer to use E-Verify, and having the IRS verify every tax-payer ID against the SSI rolls, I don't see how any progress can be made on enforcement. Profiling is a real concern, and let's face it, no American wants to carry a passport at all times. I don't want to even think about the privacy issues that would arise from that. (But you can bet that a lot of people who don't like the ACLU would become donors in a hurry).
Will "Luv-Guv" Gibbons ever criticize himself for hiring an undocumented immigrant as his nanny?
http://votegibbonsout.com/2010/04/anybod...
Gibbons is a hypocrite, and I guess he really has no shame.
Leave the actual law-making to Harry Reid. I can't wait to kick Gibbons out in November!
Governor Gibbons is doing his job. Harry Reid is trying to buy votes again. Harry does not care what he has to give away to get a few votes...
Liberals support amnesty -
Conservatives oppose amnesty -
74 percent of Nevada's Democrats SUPPORT offering amnesty to illegal immigrants, while 20 percent oppose.
79 percent of Nevada's Republicans OPPOSE offering amnesty to illegal immigrants, while 14 percent support."
Harry would give amnesty to chickens if he thought he could get them to vote for him in the midterm election coming up in November.
But Nevada voters are on to old Chicken Harry and on November 3rd he will be retired to Searchlight to tend to his chickens...
74 percent of Nevadans think Gov. Gibbons is emotionally disturbed.
79 percent of Nevadans think Gov. Gibbons is mentally ill.
40 percent of Republican women, aged 18 to 70, are sexually attracted to Gov. Gibbons.
90 percent of Republican men, aged 18 to 70, are sexually attracted to Gov. Gibbons.
HAHAHAHAH! The love guv wants to deport his competition! Mr. Sandoval better watch out!
BTW, why have only 6% of the businesses in Arizona done the E-Verify on their employees? Why are they getting away with this crap?
"Day laborers can be arrested for soliciting work if they are in the U.S. illegally"
I love this law!!!!!!!
"This president and this administration, including Congressional Leaders Senator Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, are shamelessly pandering for political gain," Gibbons said in a statement. "These people should start acting like leaders and start enforcing federal laws. Instead, they blame others for their own ineffectiveness."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What a fruxing hypocrit...for 6 solid years the GOP had control of congress and the presidency but did NOTHING on the immigration issue [or anything else that would help Americans], so it is the GOP who are "shamelessly pandering for political gain"--NOT the Dems or President Obama.
The GOP are deranged idiots who must be voted the hell out of office.
"This president and this administration, including Congressional Leaders Senator Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, are shamelessly pandering for political gain," Gibbons said in a statement. "These people should start acting like leaders and start enforcing federal laws. Instead, they blame others for their own ineffectiveness."
Could not have said it better myself...
boftx, I see what you're saying. E-Verify would definitely help alot. But, Harry botched that one last year. If we look at other states that have it, it works very well. I don't remember the state off hand, but their illegal numbers dropped significantly after E-Verify, which helped their economy lowered the welfare,medicaid,education cost, crime, ghetto neighborhoods, all of those factors that illegals bring with them.
Maybe Jimbo will call a special session to enact some legislation and declare a state of emergency. The guy is a joke and an embarrassment to the state. Too bad we can't deport him.
So, if they kick all the illegal immigrants out if the US, then everyone who complains about them being here taking jobs form legal immigrants and natural-born citizens will suddenly start applying for the following jobs:
Guest Room Attendant(Maid)
Farm Laborers(Produce Pickers)
and the ever popular- at least in Las Vegas
Leaflet Distributor(Escort Service Cards)
I'm sure all the righteous people complaining about illegals taking jobs from them, would rather perform these jobs than take welfare or unemployment.
Seriously, there needs to be some control on illegal immigrants, but signing into law a racial profiling bill sets this country back years. I'm sure the Klan is loving this.....
Harry, wrong again. Reform will reward the federal lawbreakers and it will not benefit any citizen who has been suffering because of our congressional leaders have on their own terms decided that they would rather pander for votes than uphold federal immigration laws. Isn't this considered aiding and abeting?
The citizens of our country have voted politicians into office who could care less about the rule of federal laws and protecting our citizens. The decision of the state of Arizona has been approved by 70% of its citizens, as taken by a Rasmussen poll. For the people who are not citizens of Arizona save you criticism and energies for your own state. This does not concern you.
God bless the family of Robert Krentz, an Arizona rancher murdered by an illegal immigrant as he was trying to protect his property from illegal trespassers using his land as a corridor for breaking federal laws.
Can you say "red herring"? Or "wag the dog"? Let's throw those tea-baggers a bone and see if we can't get them whipped up into even more of a frenzy.
This issue could save the Gibbons campaign, especially if he can frame it in the context of opening up jobs for legals & lowering the State's welfare & crime costs AND as a first step towards genuine immigration reform & border security.
As to "checking papers", police don't have the time or the inclination to do random checks for papers; they will inevitably end up having to have probable cause; and local procedures could easily have them not checking papers unless an arrest is made or citation issued.
The interesting police action will be if someone reports an employer who's paying illegals -- are employers going to have to provide at least some minimal level of proof of identity to avoid fines? A copy of a NV license for instance? And if they don't, how much is penalty (hey, more $$ for the government!)?
Manic how can you consider this bill racial profiling? Police making a traffic stop on a car either stolen or the driver breaking traffic laws, he asks for a legal drivers license. If the party has no drivers license and doesn't speak english he will ask for papers proving he is in our country legally. Any immigrant who is working in our country legally should be carrying papers at all times proving that he is in our country or visiting our country legally. If this person doesn't have the right documents on his person he will be taken into custody and held until I.C.E. arrives and at that point they will make a decision. What is wrong with that? If our federal government had been taking care of the illegal immigrant problem in our country Arizona wouldn't have been forced into passing their own law. The feds have let this go on too long without enforcement.
God bless the family of Robert Krentz who was shot and murdered by illegals trespassing through his property.
Gibbons... too little ... too late... kiss your re-election bid goodbye chump.
Fremmasmind
Let's revisit this the first time a person of Hispanic heritage is pulled over for no reason other than they looked like an illegal immigrant. God help them if they happened to leave the house without their wallet or purse with their drivers license that day(And please don't say this has never happened to you or someone you know - it has).
If you have any black friends, ask them if they've ever been pulled over by a police officer because they fit a certain description of someone they are looking for or driving through the wrong neighborhood.
My heart goes out to Robert Krentz's family, but are you suggesting all illegals are murderers with that statement?
Generalizing an issue will not fix it and I am not suggesting that illegals should be allowed to stay here unless they actually legally immigrate, what I am suggesting is that until legal citizens actually accept taking certain low wage jobs, we will always have illegal immigrants ready to accept them and employers ready to hire them. And the way this bill is setup, it's setup to create hostility on both sides.
So if it means an Hispanic is questioned about their 'status'.... so what if they are already here either legally or thru birth - one would think that as an American Citizen they would WANT the law to crack down on the illegals.... in the long run that can only make life BETTER for any Hispanic who is already a citizen. When so-called 'citizens' (usually of hispanic descent) start to stick-up for and protest WITH the illegals it makes me question where their true loyalty lies - and sadly I don't think the answer is America. Like it's been stated earlier - the immigration laws have been on the books - it's just now time to FINALLY start enforcing them - and if that means it has to start at the State level then so be it... it's about time SOMEONE started trying to take back our country. I applaud Arizona whole-heartedly.
azsk8fan
I'm sure you would think that way unless it happened to you. If you were born here 40+ years ago by parents who were also born here but just happen to have a Hispanic last name or are a different race than white, and you were pulled over by the police and asked to produce papers, that would be okay with you? Watch the lawsuits fly from this one. More tax dollars spent on litigation and court fees. Glenn Lerner and Ed Bernstein will have a new source of income soon.
I am not sticking up for or joining protests for anyone, I am just standing up and suggesting that this law is going to create hostility and shame on the Government for not enforcing the laws that have been around for decades.
Manic...
It is illegal for a law enforcement officer to pull over anyone to ask them about their citizenship or anything else.
There must be probable cause before you can be stopped...
Look it up and quit trying to scare people about racial profiling...
Harry Reid's "virtual immigration reform" is about as effective as the "virtual border fence."
For your info. BO stopped building the BUSCH wall. And harry the crypt keeper reid is pro amnesty,in november say goodbye harry.
Gibbons is an ID-10-T
He waits for something to be in the spotlight, allows enough time for different opinions to get focused on in the mainstream media, then he picks a side and goes public with it.
In Nevada we have a Governor that cant think for himself.
I couldn't agree more with By azsk8fan, well said whoever you are.
ManicImpressive:
do you file suit every time a police officer asks you for your ID? or how about when you go into a bar for a drink and the bartender asks for your ID? or that 7-11 store clerk? or the creditor that wants your life story and proof, every time you want to borrow money for something of substantial cost?
DEAL WITH IT! if a police officer wants to check my ID and ensure that I'm really a legal citizen I am perfectly fine with that. by the way, I could easily be mistaken for a foreigner myself, but my loyalty since the day I arrived here has been to AMERICA! not Mexico, not Arab Emirates, not Canada, not Kenya or any Muslim land, (threw that in there for you Mr Obama), but AMERICA!
now suddenly Americans want to enforce something that is already law, not just here but try going to Europe or any other foreign country without showing a Visa, passport and an ID. Now you suddenly have a problem with showing identification? I can't imagine anyone having a problem with proving who you are and whether you're legal or not, unless of course you're either illegal yourself or profiting from illegals.
Be proud to show you ARE an AMERICAN, that is if you truly are one.
Legal AMERICAN citizens are the only ones who have rights under our constitution, even the people here with visa's/green cards have no rights.
Anyone who is here illegally should be hiding from the law. However, there are those in our society that think we owe the illegal "visitors" a free education, free medical, free food stamps, free TANF, free housing, free....free....free.... just because they are within the United States borders. Welfare, food stamps, medicade, housing and TANF should be for legal US citizens or visa/greencard holder only. Gov. Fibbons (Gibbons)needs to have Nevada's state resources limited to those who citizens or are in the country legally.
Now Fibbons wants to act all tough and be a BOMC trying to take a stand about illegals. Fibbons will be on whichever side of the fence will get him noticed the most.
I could go on and on with my ideas and opinions and I would have people who agree totally with me and people who totally disagree with me.
We, as legal United States citizens need to stand up for ourselves and Arizona and given us the first step. We all know our federal government and it's representatives are going to do nothing.
Those of us who are tired of the United States of America being the world's cesspool need to band together and support Arizona so we can clean house and have or make rules about imigration and illegal "visitors" similar to other countries around the world!!!
2ndAmendment, you are missing the point. A police officer in Nevada will ask for my ID if there is reasonable cause to stop me, i.e. running out of a 7-11 holding a bag of twinkies with the owner at my heels, loitering, etc. An officer is not supposed to stop me and ask for my id just because I might look guilty of something, or look a certain way. They can engage me in conversation, and if I consent to engage back, then that opens the door for further probing and could result in me being detained if there is good reason to do so, but that is consensual. I doubt you would like it if officers could stop you and demand your ID just because you fit a certain profile. You would be screaming how "UnAmerican" that was. Arizona is screwing themselves with this law and the Republicans there are handing the Dems a bounty. Considering the fact that McCain has been the Senator there since 1982 and ran a couple of times for president, he has apparantly done squat for his state regarding immigration no matter whether this country was run by Republicans or Democrats.
2way, I would be glad they were doing their job. if an officer had an indication that someone looked suspicious, and stopped them or confronted them,he probably has a feeling about the person. An officer thats been doing his job for any length of time, he sees the signs. I don't have a problem with it. If you are legal and have a desire to stop "illegal" entry or illegal crime by illegals, you shouldn't have a problem with it either. you want results, but you don't want the inconvenience to get there.
democrats support law breakers.
don't you ever get that feeling about someone? As a parent you get that feeling about the kid you think is bad news, or at work, you have that sh*t stirrer pegged, or when you just know your sig. other is cheating. Cops have those same indications, when they've been on the job long enough.and whats with blaming McCain? are you just stupid? Immigration has been failed for decades with both dems and repubs.fed govt won't enforce the laws.you blame McCain for Arizona, and we'll blame Harry for Nevada, and he's the senate majority leader, so get off the repub blame.
Nevada leaders don't have the b--ls to follow Arizonas' lead. Remember who is against this come November and vote them out.
I am so excited!!! Utah, is following suit. If Nevada doesn't climb on board, illegals will run to Nevada.San Fransisco is boycotting Arizona, and I think when illegals are captured, they should be sent to San Fransisco, the sanctuary city.I want to know what Texas thinks about all this.
The burden of illegal immigration is unsustainable by the taxpayers of Nevada. The easiest way for an illegal to get a job is with phony documents...so they are not really "undocumented". I have written Gov. Gibbons and his answer has been consistantly that it is the responsibility of the Fed. Govt. The funding for securing our borders was cut by this administration so about a thousand a day come across.Then we are responsible for their medical, their welfare, their education, their incarceration. In all this, they get the benefits and we get the bill. Comprehensive immigration reform is the preferred euphamism for comprehensive amnesty, coupled with the empty promise of better immigration enforcement in the future. Well, we saw how govt has taken care of that since the last one in 1986! What a sham that was! We need enforcement of existing law & we need a state legislature & Governor that will have the courage that Arizona has.
RE: Lipton
Arizona has a substantial population of conservative retirees. AZ's law is designed to bring pressure on the Obama Administration, i.e., the federal government and Napolitano, for border solutions.
Texas Governor Perry is calling for solutions after spending cash on border cameras, well short of needed amount, so a semi-dud. He is correct on the need for border security, though recent shout-outs are posturing re-election and national attention. He knows the math.
Big portions of the same demographic calling for smaller government, less taxes and more tax breaks to the rich are the same persons calling for expensive border security solutions. People must reconcile their contradictions.
Texans are more practical than ideological about border security. After all, there have been six flags over Texas. Remember, during the 1820s the Mexican Government opposed new settlers from the United States. But, citizens of Mexico who resided in areas of Mexico which later became Texas welcomed and helped the new US arrivals.
So, in Texas, before the Irish and Germans, there were the Hispanics, and before them the Native Indian tribes, and before that, the coyotes and armadillos.
In Texas, the land belongs to no particular race and never has.
Texas has worked hard to diversify it's economy and provide education opportunities for everyone, to make sure a subclass does not emerge which lacks skills, does not produce and draws on the tax base. That is also the challenge going forward.
In Texas, if your household income is less than $45,000, than you can qualify for free tuition at Texas A and M. Moreover, other smaller schools have lower income requirements for free tuition. BETter to educate, than educate to BET, in Texas.
Texas has the unique benefit of the Texas Rangers, as well, in law enforcement, to coordinate with other law enforcement entities.
National borders are the jurisdiction of the federal government. Attempts by state and local entities to enforce the law may or may not have merit on a case to case basis. If Americans want true border protection, prepare to write a big check.
There is a war in Northern Mexico over drug trafficking. Women and children are being abused, abandoned. These issues DO need to be addressed. More so than supply, we need to address the DEMAND for drugs by Americans. Apparently, a significant number of Americans do have the ability to pay handsomely because consumption is high. It would be interesting to eval statistics-research as to how large an impact drug trafficking and consumption contributes to some areas of our economy (such as luxury sales and sales tax revenues), vs criminal justice and legal system costs.
We will continue to struggle to pay for anything to improve life at home for the American people or our Northern Mexican neighbors while tied up indefinitely in the Middle East, Iraq and Afghanistan.
Without some national response to illegal migration into the United States, the country will continue to embolden corporatist behavior toward labor, wage suppression and unacceptable social outcomes for families and dependent children growing up without any sense of stability-security. That's not fair to EVERYONE, US citizen or not, legal or illegal immigrant.
I would like to have a number on how many escorts are working in the United States on a green card.
Gregory, WTF?
lets see- john the maverick has been a senator for 32 years and now it's obama's fault. your govenor dosen't give a crap about this, loves the cheap labor for his rich friends, he's just playing to the haters out there, just read some of these posts.
Here's "formervegas" trying to spread his hate and discontent this morning to all that will listen to him.
Too bad "formervegas" is so hateful. I guess that is what happens when one leaves Vegas. One's common sense and decency stays in Vegas...
I am happy to see the police force do their job lipton, but how does that address civil rights? Even Jeb Bush is coming out against this AZ bill. He is at least honest enough to know and publicly acknowledge it's a fiasco for AZ. McCain's daughter is publicly against it. I understand what AZ is trying to do, and I also don't like all the illegal immigration but where is this leading? What price are we willing to pay? The next step is to create similar laws that will let law enforcement stop anyone for any possible crime without any reasonable cause except that they look the type. Then what happens when an administration you don't like takes over and has that kind of power? This law places a terrible burden on the AZ police who can actually be sued because someone thinks they are not nabbing enough illegals. Why are they doing this to their police force? These guys are under enough pressure just protecting citizens from crime, no less forcing them to handle a very nebulous immigration approach and being treated like slackers.
Hey, take your illegal mommy and daddy, and whatever other anchor babies they might've popped out, take your illegal ass along and get the hell out of here and back to whatever third world craphole you came from. We don't need you or your money here in Vegas, we already have enough of your filthy ilk handing out hooker fliers on the strip. I'd rather starve to death than take money from an illegal scumbag like you.
"Nevada needs to pass the same law Arizona just passed."
Then people like myself wouldnt set foot in vegas. Yeah i'll admit it, im an illegal immigrant. I was brought over when i was 2 so i didnt have much of a choice.
Myself and my girlfriend will be going to vegas 4/30 - 5/2. i have already booked a room in palazzo for $750+, i will try to get us tickets to at least one show, we will dine, gamble, buy souvenirs and so on...on most of the things we do we will pay the clark county tax.
so yeah, pass a law like arizona did...so people like myself stop going to vegas at a moment where NV needs every dollar they can get."
Let's see - the previous administration was weak on immigration, so that gives the current administration a pass?
Someone needs to "man up" and get control of our borders, the only one with authority is the guy currently sitting in the white house.
We need to quit looking at the letter next to the politician's name and pay attention to the crap that spews out of their mouths.
If Nevada was to deport every Illegal Mexican here today, the state would improve its bottom line and not have to resort to issuing bonds, creating more debt for itself and its taxpayers. Overall, the deportations are favorable to Nevadans all the way around.
Can't we just deport all the illegal immigrants and our politicians? It would solve most of the problems in this country.
Governor Gibbons is right in that the federal government needs to do more. But passing blame is no way to lead.
The biggest problem with the illegal immigration issue is that there are way too many people to blame. It is the feds, or the police, or the local governments, or the immigrants, or the bad businesses that hire them, or Americans that won't take the jobs and won't pay for expensive goods, or the liberals playing ethnic warfare in the search of new votes, or the conservatives seeking to undermine employment laws, or home depot, or any number of people. When you can constantly shift the blame, there is never a need to do anything unpopular. Unfortunately, I doubt anyone believes that we can simply continue to do the same thing.
With all that in mind, I believe that Sandoval is the best of the gubernatorial candidates, and the most likely to do something positive.
If Nevada were to deport all of its illegals, the state would cease to function. Fact of the matter is, people, you cant step up enforcement on such a ubiquitous issue as illegal immigration without incurring an enormous cost, which all of you lobbying for small government have proven time and time again that you are unwilling to pay. The only even remotely feasible solution is to expand NAFTA from a mere free trade agreement to a common market, like the European Union before it became a monetary union, in which we would have complete freedom of labor mobility and the winners from freer trade would compensate the losers. There's simply no other way to combat illegal immigration other than to legalize it. I can't stand people who harp incessantly about how much money the government is spending while simultaneously demanding more government intervention on things that the government really has no business being involved in, such as flippant and unnecessary trade protectionism. ANY government intervention is enormously expensive, and if you really want to cut taxes, reduce the national debt, and turn America into an economic powerhouse in World 2.0, you'll shut up and let the market sort it out.
I guess harrygale does not know the enormous costs to local and state governments to house, school and support illegal immigrants...
Its mexicans coming across the borders, not chinese,that pretty much narrows down the demo on who your looking at. How many mexicans in Arizona are legally there? Why do they run across the borders to the US? Is it because they are living in squaller there? No jobs? Or is it because when they get here, they get welfare, medicaid, food stamps housing, education all paid for by americans? How do they know they can rape us? word of mouth? What is the crime factor from illegals in Arizona?Nevada,Utah? Texas?California? What is the cost to our states for supporting these illegals? What is the cost to families who have been victims of crimes by illegals? What does your neighborhood look like after the illegals have moved in? How is the property values? How many in your kids schools speak english?
why are you worried about civil rights when they have broken the law, and they cost this country billions every year, and have been heavily responsible for the economic downfall of all border states. Why do you reward law breakers? Obama sent Mexico $300 million to fight crime in Mexico and weapons crossing the borders to Mexico. WTF. Is Mexico sending the US money to help fight crime imposed by illegals here? Murder,rape,theft,kidnapping, shootings, drugs, oh hell no, he says we need to treat the illegals better, and Obama says yes we do. Good lord, this p8sses me off to even repeat it.