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erik scott coroner’s inquest:

Day 4 blog: Witnesses recall fatal police shooting at Costco

Inquest adjourns, set to resume at 10 a.m. Monday

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Will Nelson testifies during a coroner’s inquest for Erik Scott at the Regional Justice Center Saturday, September 25, 2010.

Updated Saturday, Sept. 25, 2010 | 5:35 p.m.

Erik Scott Coroner's Inquest - Day 4

Costco customer Karen Passarelli-Krause wipes away a tear while testifying during a coroner's inquest for Erik Scott at the Regional Justice Center Saturday, September 25, 2010. Launch slideshow »

Erik Scott Coroner's Inquest - Day 3

Costco shopper Barbara Fee demonstrates how she saw Erik Scott raise his right arm toward a Metro Police officer as she testifies during a coroner's inquest for Erik Scott at the Regional Justice Center Friday, September 24, 2010. Launch slideshow »

Erik Scott Coroner's Inquest - Day 2

Metro Police Officer William Mosher testifies about shooting Erik Scott during a coroner's inquest at the Regional Justice Center Thursday, September 23, 2010. Launch slideshow »

Erik Scott Coroner's Inquest - Day 1

Bill Scott, Erik Scott's father, listens to testimony during a coroner's inquest at the Regional Justice Center Wednesday, September 22, 2010. Launch slideshow »

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5:35 p.m.

Andrew Muller, a Costco salesman, was helping to evacuate people from the store when he encountered a woman who turned out to be Scott’s girlfriend.

He said most people were cooperating with the evacuation, but this woman was more upset and asked if it was a joke.

Eventually she started to leave and he continued moving through the store, he said.

When he got outside the store, he saw the woman talking to a police officer with Scott by her side, Muller said. The woman was agitated, he said.

The officer then told Scott at least twice to get on the ground, but he didn't, and reached for his sides instead, Muller testified.

Muller said he was watching the officer and not Scott when the officer fired his gun.

Muller said he then dropped to the ground and began crawling around a corner to get out of the line of fire.

The inquest is adjourned for the day. Proceedings are set to resume at 10 a.m. Monday.

5:16 p.m.

Costco cashier Denis Sulc also saw parts of the shooting from behind a pillar outside the store.

He heard a police officer giving commands to someone to get down.

Sulc said he was behind a pillar when he heard two shots fired. He looked out and saw Scott on his knees, reaching for something at his side.

Then a woman near him fell out of a wheelchair, so he went to help her.

In his initial statement to police, Sulc wrote that he saw Scott run out of the store and reach for a "sidearm" when he was shot, but on the stand, Sulc said he couldn't recall if Scott was just reaching for his side or reaching for a weapon.

5:02 p.m.

Steve Albright was also shopping at Costco with his wife and two children when they were told to evacuate.

Albright saw someone point Scott out to a police officer, who then said “police” to Scott. Scott turned to face the officer and the officer said, “Get down, get down.”

He said Scott's right hand reached toward his back-right pocket.

"Muscle memory tells me what that means," he said, referencing the motion Scott made. Albright has a concealed weapon permit and said he has drawn a gun thousands of times.

Scott reached toward his pocket deliberately; "It was definitely an intentional, smooth move," he said.

There was something in Scott’s hands, but he didn’t wait to see what it was, Albright said. He said he turned to get his family and get away before hearing shots fired.

"I didn't see him aiming a gun at anyone specifically,” he said, but he heard someone yell "gun" so he and his family ran back inside the store.

“When police have their guns pointed at you, you don’t reach and pull out anything whatsoever,” he said.

In response to an interested party question as to whether Scott was a threat, Albright said it wasn't up to him to decide what the police thought, but it felt like enough of a threat to him that he was leaving with his 2-year-old and 1-year-old child.

4:39 p.m.

The husband of the previous witness, who Coroner Mike Murphy also said couldn't be identified because of his wife's ties to law enforcement, testified that he saw Scott holding a pistol by the handle, ready to shoot.

He said the officer clearly yelled instructions to Scott.

“I never heard the command 'put it down,' I clearly heard 'get on the ground' three times,” he said.

He said Scott held the gun in his hand, which was down at his side. He also saw the officer pointing his gun directly at Scott.

The man said he then moved behind a pillar with his wife so he wouldn't be in the line of fire. He heard one shot, then three more.

After a few moments, he looked around the pillar and saw Scott lying on the ground, already handcuffed.

The witness identified the gun shown in a photograph as the one Scott held.

4:20 p.m.

The next witness was a woman who works in a sensitive law enforcement position who couldn't be photographed or named in the news media, Coroner Mike Murphy said.

The woman testified that she was at the store shopping with her husband when they were told to evacuate.

As they were leaving, she saw a police officer with his gun drawn, but pointing toward the ground, she said.

While they waited outside the store, she heard an officer yelling at someone to get on the ground.

She said she could see the back of Scott, but only the left half of him because of a wall that was blocking her view.

She did have a clear view of the officer who ordered Scott down, then shot him. Another officer then approached and shot as well, she said.

Her husband told her the man had a gun, but she couldn't see it, she said.

After the shooting, officers brought out crime scene tape and told everyone to go home, so they did, she said.

4:05 p.m.

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John Cooper testifies during a coroner's inquest for Erik Scott at the Regional Justice Center Saturday, September 25, 2010.

Costco customer John Cooper said he didn’t see police when he first left the store, but later saw an officer with a firearm in his hands.

Then he noticed Erik Scott facing the officer.

“He was not in a defensive manner,” Cooper said. “He was just standing there, almost in a relaxed position initially.”

Cooper said Scott appeared to be having a conversation with the officers, but he didn't know what anyone said.

Scott raised his hand to his waist, but he didn't see a gun, Cooper said. Cooper then turned to leave the area, heard someone yell that there was a gun and instantly heard gunshots.

After Scott was shot, Cooper said he turned back and saw a woman waving a paper and yelling, but he doesn't know what she was saying, he said.

He also saw an officer with his knee on Scott’s back restraining his hands, he said.

Cooper said he was concerned that no one was helping Scott after he was shot, and he felt guilty for not doing so himself.

3:40 p.m.

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Evelyn Eckels testifies during a coroner's inquest for Erik Scott at the Regional Justice Center Saturday, September 25, 2010.

Another Costco shopper, Evelyn Eckels, testified that Scott looked angry “in the eyes.”

"He looked very angry, and he looked directly at the police," she said.

She said she suddenly noticed Scott was holding a gun in front of himself; “It looked like it was pointed to the officers.”

She covered her eyes with her hands and shouted, “Oh my God, he’s got a gun,” she said. “I was like a kid trying to hide, I guess.”

She then heard shots fired, she said, then heard a woman yell.

An interested party asked if Scott could have had a confused look instead of an angry one.

“No,” she said. “I feel as if he was just mad about the whole situation.”

She called police to give a statement after seeing media reports that some people claimed Scott didn't have a gun, because he did have a gun, she said.

3:07 p.m.

Judge Tony Abbatangelo dismissed a juror who is feeling ill. Four alternates were available, leaving three alternates left. Abbatangelo said he didn't want to delay the proceedings or get other jurors sick.

2:54 p.m.

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Will Nelson testifies during a coroner's inquest for Erik Scott at the Regional Justice Center Saturday, September 25, 2010.

Will Nelson, the husband of the previous witness, also saw part of the shooting, but he was standing in a different direction and didn't see the whole thing, he said.

Nelson heard an officer yelling at someone to get down; when he looked over, all he saw was Scott’s hand, which was holding something brown and was extended in front of him.

He heard a gunshot, the object dropped out of Scott’s hand and Nelson recognized it as a holster.

Scott didn’t look like he was handing the holster to the officer -- it was more like he was displaying it to them -- but he wasn't holding it as if he was going to shoot it, Nelson said.

Scott didn’t seem to be a threat, but he also didn’t comply with the officer’s orders, Nelson said.

It would have been better for the officers to confront Scott in the parking lot rather than near the store entrance where there were more people around, Nelson said.

2:35 p.m.

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Eileen Nelson testifies during a coroner's inquest for Erik Scott at the Regional Justice Center Saturday, September 25, 2010. Nelson was describing how after Scott was shot, "he was stumbling back, with his hands up, empty," she said, with her elbows bent and her palms up, demonstrating what she saw.

Pahrump resident Eileen Nelson was just about to check out at Costco when she was told to evacuate.

While walking out of the store, she noticed Scott and his girlfriend talking. They seemed calm, walking like everyone else, she said.

While Nelson was waiting outside, she saw officers with their guns drawn, ordering someone to get down on the ground.

She saw Scott raise his right hand toward the officer with something in it, she said.

An officer then shot Scott, and the item dropped out of his hand. It was then that she saw it was a gun holster, she said.

After Scott was shot, "he was stumbling back, with his hands up, empty," she said, with her elbows bent and her palms up, demonstrating what she saw.

Her voice cracked. "His hands were empty" when he was shot by the other officers, she said.

After Scott fell, Nelson noticed a cell phone on the ground, but the phone is not what fell out of Scott’s hand, she said. Scott was holding a holster, not a cell phone, when he was shot, she said.

Nelson said she saw the whole scene unfold. She said she watched, after Scott fell to the ground, as he became motionless.

"I could see his left eye, open and glassy," she said with a small sob. "He took his last breath, and then he didn't move anymore."

She also said she saw Scott’s girlfriend trying to stop one of the officers, but he pushed her back.

After the shooting, Nelson stood up and said she saw the whole thing and asked what to do. An officer told her to get in her car and go home, which she did.

2:02 p.m.

Back from lunch, another Costco shopper, Pahrump resident Eileen Nelson, is testifying.

12:49 p.m.

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Costco shopper Dain Szafranski demonstrates how he saw Erik Scott jump back make a quick movement towards his waistband during a coroner's inquest for Erik Scott at the Regional Justice Center Saturday, September 25, 2010.

Another witness says Erik Scott looked combative, was talking to police officers and made a shooting stance before he was shot.

Dain Szafranski was at Costco with his mother and 2-year-old son when they saw officers outside the store with their guns drawn.

He heard one officer command Scott to “get on the ground” three times; the instructions were very loud and clear, he said.

Szafranski said Scott was standing with his arms to his side, raised between his waist and his shoulders, and was talking, but Szafranski couldn't hear what he was saying.

Scott looked combative, like he was mad and arguing with the officers, when he suddenly “snapped,” moving his leg back to take a shooting stance and quickly moving his arm to his waist as if to draw a gun, Szafranski said.

“It looked like two people were going to have a gun fight,” he said.

Szafranski, who was holding his son, turned to run away and immediately heard gunshots, he said.

But he didn't see Scott with a gun or see officers shoot because he turned to run, he said.

After getting his mother and son a safe distance away, he returned to help others and noticed a gun lying on the ground near Scott, he said.

The inquest has adjourned for an hour lunch break.

Interested parties have submitted more than 1,000 questions to witnesses in the 3 1/2 days of the inquest.

12:16 p.m.

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Costco shopper Dr. Humberto Rodriguez Jr. testifies about the slow movement of Erik Scott during a coroner's inquest for Scott at the Regional Justice Center Saturday, September 25, 2010.

Humberto Rodriguez Jr. was just feet away from Metro Police officers before Scott was shot, but he says he doesn’t know why they fired.

“It didn’t make any sense to me,” he said. “It seems to me there was plenty of time for the police officers to tase this fellow rather than to shoot and kill him."

Rodriguez was with his wife and mother-in-law at Costco. He saw three officers outside the store.

One officer was shouting: “get down, get down, get on your knees, put the gun down,” Rodriguez said.

At first, he couldn't see who they were yelling at. The officer "kept insisting that someone put the gun down and get on their knees," he said.

He then saw Scott, a “man who was frozen in time,” like a deer in the headlights, he said.

He heard a woman say Scott was a military officer, had a concealed weapon permit and had a right to carry a gun, Rodriguez said.

He saw Scott with his hand at his waist, and at the same time heard two shots.

Scott began to convulse and struggle for breath, said Rodriguez, who is also a doctor.

He said he didn't understand the shooting because Scott didn't appear to be threatening; “I saw a man that was not crazy, who was not insane,” he said.

Rodriquez said he didn't see Scott with a gun.

11:32 a.m.

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Costco shopper JoAnn Rodriguez testifies during a coroner's inquest for Erik Scott at the Regional Justice Center Saturday, September 25, 2010.

JoAnn Rodriguez was at Costco with her husband and her 93-year-old mother, who was in a wheelchair, when they were told to evacuate.

She was waiting outside the store when she heard yelling and saw police officers giving what she thought were instructions to people, so she went toward them.

She then noticed that other people were moving away, but saw Scott, “frozen,” near the officers.

Rodriguez saw an officer pull up and fire a weapon, which she thought was a Taser.

She looked back at Scott and saw him stumble and noticed a red spot in the middle of his chest, she said.

Scott then fell to his knees and was convulsing, then was shot again, Rodriguez said.

She noticed her mother’s wheelchair, but her mother was not in it.

Her mother had fallen out of her chair when she tried to duck after hearing someone yell “duck” or “get down.”

They were able to help her mother, who had cuts from the fall.

11:24 a.m.

The inquest proceedings have resumed. Judge Tony Abbatangelo referred to an incident that apparently occurred outside the courtroom during the break.

The details of the incident weren't mentioned.

Outside the presence of the jury, Abbatangelo said decorum needs to apply throughout the courthouse or he might have to close the courtroom.

"I don't want to go down that road," he said. "There are a lot of actions that could be misinterpeted, or tempers could flare."

10:34 a.m.

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Costco shopper Robert Connolly uses a tissue box to describe the way Erik Scott presented his gun to a Metro officer during a coroner's inquest for Scott at the Regional Justice Center Saturday, September 25, 2010.

Robert Connolly, the husband of Rand, the previous witness, testified that Scott was handing the gun to the officer before he was shot.

Connolly said he saw an officer tap Scott on the shoulder and tell him to get down. He heard a woman tell police that the man had a permit.

Scott reached to his back, pulled out a gun in the holster, and pulled it to the front toward the officer, Connolly said.

But he was holding the handle of the gun and the side of the holster; “He didn’t point it at the officer,” he said.

The officer then shot Scott, who fell to his knees and was shot again, he said.

Connolly identified a photo of a gun in a holster shown to him as the one Scott was holding, but he said he didn't see it fall to the ground.

He didn't hear the officer tell Scott to hand him the gun, only to get down, Connolly said.

After Connolly's testimony the judge called a 10-minute break.

10:09 a.m.

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Costco shopper Dolly Rand testifies during a coroner's inquest for Erik Scott at the Regional Justice Center Saturday, September 25, 2010.

Shopper Dolly Rand was also near the Costco entrance at the time of the shooting.

She saw a man point out Scott to a police officer, who told Scott to get on the ground, she said.

She heard a woman yelling hysterically, but she didn't hear Scott say anything, Rand said.

The officer took a step forward, pointed to the ground and again ordered Scott to the ground, she said.

Scott reached behind his back like he was pulling something out of his waistband, then he brought his hand forward, with something black in his hand, she said.

“It was going up straight towards the police officer,” Rand said.

The officer fired at Scott, then two other officers fired, she said.

Rand said she couldn't tell what Scott was holding, but after Scott was shot, the object fell to the ground and came toward her, she said.

She described it as a square leather object, saying she wasn't sure if it was a gun or a cell phone.

"I don't know if it was a gun or not," she said.

9:46 a.m.

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Costco shopper Dr. Edward Fishman testifies during a coroner's inquest for Erik Scott at the Regional Justice Center Saturday, September 25, 2010.

Edward Fishman, who was also shopping at Costco the day of the shooting, testified that he heard a police officer order Scott to “drop it” -- not to get on the ground as other witnesses have testified.

Fishman was checking out of the store when he was told to leave his things and evacuate.

When he got outside, he saw a police officer with his gun drawn. He walked around a post, then came back and saw Scott at the entrance. He heard the officer tell Scott to “drop it,” even though he couldn’t see anything in Scott’s hands, he said.

He saw Scott reach toward his side and his shirt came up, then he was shot, Fishman said.

He didn't see Scott point anything at the officer or take an aggressive stance at the officer, he said. Fishman also said he didn't hear Scott say anything.

After he was shot, he saw Scott’s hands above his head before he fell to his knees and then fell face-down on the ground, Fishman said.

Fishman, a physician, said he was concerned that no one went to help Scott or check a pulse, but an officer did handcuff Scott after he was on the ground, he said.

He was so shocked and surprised that he was afraid to approach and offer assistance, he said.

He said he didn't see anything drop from Scott’s hands or anything laying on the ground near him.

Fishman said he gave a statement to police the day of the shooting and also gave a statement to a private investigator hired by the Scott family.

Chief Deputy District Attorney Christopher Laurent asked if the investigator or anyone from the Scott family told Fishman about the inquest or told him to come testify.

Fishman said they did not, but he received a subpoena from the district attorney’s office to appear and testify.

Fishman was accompanied by two foreign exchange students, Lisa Holzgruber and Caroline Lagerholm, whose recorded descriptions of the event were played for the jury Friday.

9:14 a.m.

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Costco customer Karen Passarelli-Krause wipes away a tear while testifying during a coroner's inquest for Erik Scott at the Regional Justice Center Saturday, September 25, 2010.

Another Costco customer, Karen Passarelli-Krause, also testified that she saw Scott shot by police officers.

Passarelli-Krause was emotional on the stand and said the event had traumatized her; “I’ll never forget it,” she said.

While shopping, she was told to evacuate the store. When she got to the front entrance she saw Scott, who was four or five feet away, and a police officer, who was right next to her.

"I saw Scott's shirt fly up and the gun come out," she said.

"To me, it looked like it (the gun) was pointed at me,” she said. “I just kept staring, in disbelief that this was happening."

The officer then pulled his gun out and shot Scott, she said.

Passarelli-Krause said she ran back inside the store, pushing other people back and yelling that people were shooting.

She said she heard shouting, but isn’t sure what was being said. “All I was paying attention to was the guns,” she said.

A question from an interested party asked if Scott could have had a cell phone, not a gun in his hand.

“I wouldn’t be afraid of a cell phone, I thought it was a gun,” she said.

8:54 a.m.

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Costco customer Wendy Wolkenstein testifies during a coroner's inquest for Erik Scott at the Regional Justice Center Saturday, September 25, 2010.

Wendy Wolkenstein, another Costco customer, testified that she saw a police officer and Scott outside the store when she was evacuated.

She saw the officer with his gun out, she said, and he was yelling at Scott, whose back was facing her, to get down on the ground.

"I didn't see Mr. Scott getting to the ground, or attempting to get to the ground, unfortunately," she said.

She herded her children behind a pillar when she saw Scott’s elbow move back toward his waist or pocket, she said.

She then heard gunshots: “I have never heard a gunshot before and I actually thought it was a Taser,” she said.

When she looked back briefly after the shots, she saw Scott with his hands in the air, possibly as a reaction from the shot, she said.

She then focused her attention back on her children, she said.

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Members of Erik Scott's family, father Bill, mother Linda, and younger brother Kevin stand at the start of a coroner's inquest for Erik Scott at the Regional Justice Center Saturday, September 25, 2010.

Wolkenstein testified that she heard the officer yelling orders at Scott, but she didn't hear Scott say anything.

When interviewed by police, Wolkenstein said she hoped the shooting wasn't Scott's fault, but she doesn’t understand why he didn’t go to the ground.

“I just wish Erik would have gotten to the ground; it’s upsetting,” she said.

8:34 a.m.

Day Four of the coroner’s inquest into the shooting death of Erik Scott has begun at the Regional Justice Center.

Wendy Wolkenstein, another Costco customer who saw the shooting, is testifying.

The court didn't open an overflow room for the media and the public this morning as had been done during the other days of the inquest Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.

One change mentioned this morning was that the inquest is expected to continue Monday. The judge earlier in the week had said that if extra time was needed, it would likely resume on Tuesday.

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  1. He said he didn't see anything drop from Scott's hands or anything laying on the ground near him.

    *****

    That's why police use 'drop weapons'.

    Very Convenient!

  2. lvkindaguy:

    When you are tased, the effect of electricity on the body forces your muscles into a state of extremely rapid contractions and relaxations, focused mainly on the major muscle groups. As this happens, the contradictory actions of contraction and relaxation essentially paralyze the body as the brain isn't capable of overriding the effects of the electrical impulses on the body.

    The whole point of a taser is to incapacitate a subject. Trust me, when you get tased, you lose all control, and no, your finger wouldn't automatically contract and squeeze off a round if you were holding a gun.

    And since Scott's gun was either in a holster or a gun rug, his finger wasn't on the trigger anyway. It's moot.

    /been tased, bro.
    //in the army for training, not on the strip.

  3. lvmp 1066,

    Watch all taser videos (including training ones) and let me know which ones show the person being tased with their fingers straight out.

    Also, since you have been tased and presumably went though some type of training for it, you would know that the two prongs of the taser need to attach to the body or clothing to complete the process. If one does not connect then there is no effect. I say this because if a person has a gun on them and one of the prongs misses, that person still has full control of their body. Now add to that the fact the taser makes a loud pop (somewhat similar to a gunshot) and you have trouble.

    What I am trying to say is if the police try to use a taser on a suspect with a gun and it does not work, that suspect could start firing rounds while the police now have to reach for a gun.

  4. @LVMP...
    "In a state where both concealed and open carry are legal, I question whether police policy should be to approach reports of an armed yet nonthreatening person with guns drawn.

    The potential for accidental discharge, poor assessment of the threat on the part of the police, or any number of other scenarios resulting in unwarranted police shooting is far too great."

    Good points.
    This episode was escalated so far beyond what was prudent and necessary, it is ridiculous.
    I think most of the credible witnesses saw that too.

  5. TomD...
    Sounds like you have a dog in this fight.

  6. I can't get over SummerlinCC's assertion that $500 is enough to make someone a "major contributor" to an election campaign.

    By your same logic anyone who contributed to any of the DA's opponents (including Goodman) would obviously pay off witnesses and tamper with evidence to make the DA look bad.

    As for you nonsense observation about "two groups of witnesses"...let's see which group is more credible. Group A - mostly Costco employees several of which knew in advance that Scott was a concern and were therefore keeping their eyes on him. or Group B - physicians, housewives, etc who had no idea why was going on, were not watching Scott and mostly looked over only AFTER shots were fired.

    I'm gonna give credence to the testimony of the folks who were paying attention the whole time over the folks who happened to look over later on.

    And do we need to go over yet again that "I didn't see such-and-such" is not equivalent to "I saw that such-and-such wasn't there" or "I say that such-and-such didn't happen". All "I didn't see" means is that the person didn't see - usually because they were looking somewhere else or not paying attention to that particular thing.

  7. SummerlinCC,

    Your making yourself look silly. No one considers a person that makes a $500 donation to a campaign a "Major Donor". You keep repeating it but that does not make it so.

    I know that facts don't play into a good conspiracy but use a bit of common sense when posting in public.

  8. And I love that lvmp1066 is still going on with this delusion about Tasers. If you were actually tased in training as you claim then I will guarantee that you saw that not 100% of those tased were incapacitated on the first attempt.

    Now remember that if those folks had guns it only takes the first one that is unaffected (taser malfunction, miss, barb stuck in heavy clothing, barb falls out) and you are SHOT DEAD.

    I doubt you would have the guts to routinely face armed suspects and go with your taser first every time - because it would be a VERY short career for you.

  9. Oh, and since Tom also brings up LV CCW training, and yesterday lvmp1066 said he doubts are claims about what the training covers are true.....Everyone who wants to should please rush down to ANY of the locations that offer an NV CCW class and enroll. A quick google search shows that tactical west is now even offering classes on-site at bass pro shops on Saturdays.

    So lvmp - before you dispute my claims about what Erik's training covered - go actually take the course.

  10. Oh, and for everyone who doubts that a weapon can be fired from that holster - I'll be happy to demonstrate, but you'll have to pay the replacement cost for the holster.

  11. My apologies lmvp, it was actually DTJ who was disputing what NV CCW training covers and who needs to run down and actually take the class himself.

    But you answer puts you in the same boat. If Erik interpreted the instruction "drop it" to mean "put your hand on your weapon, remove it, and then drop it" then he completely disregarding his training.

    This specific scenario (how to respond when confronted by an armed police officer) is covered very well. It is made quite clear that if you place your hand on your weapon the outcome will likely leave you dead or injured.

  12. There's ample opportunity for everyone here to offer "opinions" and "comments" without ATTACKING anyone's particular stance; disagreeing is different than attacking. I think you could take either side in this and make a very valid argument, and most are doing just fine.

    Can we keep it "civil"?

  13. This is a disgrace.

  14. AP put this story out today:
    http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/sep...
    Clark commissioners: Change cop shooting reviews

    I don't agree that it needs to be an adversarial setting, but something must be done.

  15. If it is to be a fact finding activity, then it should be a panel with representatives from the public and coroner's office. The DA should NOT be involved. Think of if as being ONLY a jury who asks whatever questions they deem needful to get at the truth. They are not trying to determine guilt, just a determination if a death was justified, excusable or criminal.

    The procedure I am suggesting is actually a throwback to English trial procedures in some respects.

    I actually think the whole process should be dispensed with and any cop involved in a death of a suspect should automatically be charged with manslaughter and have to go to trial.

  16. MSH1,

    Why should cops be worried about a manslaughter charge if they need to kill in the line of duty? After all, in our system of justice a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty. Cops should know all about that.

  17. who_really_knows,

    As a matter of fact, yes I would.

    I am not saying that all officer involved shootings are criminal, I believe that almost all of them are justified. But we, the public, no longer TRUST our police. That trust must be restored somehow.

    The inquest system as it exists in Las Vegas does *nothing* to do that.

  18. Costco shopper Robert Connolly uses a tissue box to describe the way Erik Scott presented his gun to a Metro officer during a coroner's inquest for Scott at the Regional Justice Center Saturday, September 25, 2010.

    *************************

    Still would like to know what happened to that video machine.....