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Tuesday, Oct. 12, 2010 | 2 a.m.
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If you’re new to Nevada, watch out for the neighborhood snitches. They’re out there, turning you in.
More than 3,500 people have called Las Vegas Constable Robert “Bobby G” Gronauer’s office in the past month and a half to tattle on neighbors who have been driving cars with out-of-state license plates for way too long.
And some of the old-timers are doing their job with quiet glee: If I’ve got to pay a Nevada license fee, these Nevada newbies have to pay their fair share too!
Cash-strapped Nevada is cashing in on these tips — by fining the owners for having failed to register their vehicles in Nevada and then getting them to follow the law and registering their vehicles in the Silver State.
Gronauer bristles that his office has gotten calls accusing it of being “the Gestapo.”
“It’s not trying to be a Nazi regime or anything like that,” the constable said. “My dream for all this is that in two or three years, there will be no need for the program.”
Clark County Commissioner Steve Sisolak says he has long fielded complaints that out-of-staters don’t mind getting jobs here but aren’t taking the responsibility to change their car registrations.
“It’s a real issue,” he said.
So here’s the drill if you want to help turn in scofflaws and improve the state’s revenue stream: Call 455-FAIR (3247) and make your neighbor pay, like you did.
Many residents say the program gives them a bad feeling — spotlighting scofflaws, some say, should be law enforcement’s job, not theirs. Nobody likes a tattletale.
There’s no reward to those who turn in others, Gronauer said.
Gronauer unveiled the program, appropriately named “Fair Share,” in July, and it went into effect Aug. 24. In that time, the state and county collected $175,000 in car registration fees — a significant amount, he said.
Gronauer said he has no idea how many unregistered vehicles are out there, or exactly how much money the program will rake in once the tipsters start calling. In any event, it’s not just about dollars — it’s about fairness.
Nevada requires new residents to register their cars within 60 days. If the car owner doesn’t and is turned in, he faces a $100 fine, but if he registers the car within 30 days of being cited, his record is wiped clean of the citation.
If the scofflaw doesn’t register in time, Gronauer says, the fine becomes $1,000 and goes to court, where it may be lowered to $250 if the judge is nice and the car has been registered.
So far, Gronauer said, the program is working. Since it started, 137 citations have been issued. Of those, 41 people have paid their $100 fee and 22 people have registered their vehicles. The remaining 74 need to get on the ball or risk facing the $1,000 fine and court.
“A lot of people get upset about it,” he said. “But it’s not costing the taxpayers any money.”
It’s about compliance, Gronauer said, not punishment.
But, yes, it’s also about state revenue, no matter what Gronauer might say.
A 2010 Honda Civic GX, which has a sticker price of about $25,000, would cost an estimated $477 to register.
Part of the reason Nevada has high registration prices, Gronauer said, is because the state collects no income tax. The money, he said, has to come from somewhere.
Car registration fees pay for roads, schools and other government functions. When a car is registered, $33 goes to the state, he said. The rest goes to the county.
Exceptions are made in Nevada for military personnel, college students from out of state, and snowbirds, who spend their winters in the Nevada sun, he said. The rules don’t affect temporary employees. There’s no way to pay forward money that remains on registration from a driver’s state of origin. If there are months left on a car’s registration in another state, Gronauer said, that’s tough.
The transient nature of many Southern Nevadans irks many who say the new rule is unfair. Many workers come and go within a couple years of moving. People here don’t know their neighbors anyway, some say, and ratting on them isn’t going to help foster community.
Christiane Taubert moved to Las Vegas from Connecticut 16 years ago. Although the crackdown won’t affect her, she said she thought ratting out neighbors seemed unfair, especially in the down economy.
People outside the East Sahara Avenue Department of Motor Vehicles office.
“I don’t know how I feel about narking on someone,” she said, adding that many residents move to Nevada while still having months left of registration in their state of origin. “If you’re a neighbor, that’s not great neighbor relations.”
Taubert said she worried that temporary employees like interns would be unable to afford the fees. “That’s a lot, depending on your car,” she said.
Chris Zachary of Henderson, who was at the Department of Motor Vehicles recently, said he would have a hard time turning someone in. Moving is a stressful endeavor, he said, and you never know what brings someone to the state — it could be losing a job or something worse in this recession, he said.
“I think that’s ridiculous,” Zachary said of Fair Share. “It’s just way too high of a fine.”
Yvonne Santiago was at the DMV in Henderson to register her vehicle after moving from New Jersey to care for her ill parents.
“If I can do it, anybody can do it,” she said, adding that she had already changed to Nevada car insurance. “I believe if you’re going to live here, you should pay here.”
Santiago said she’d happily turn in scofflaws to the constable’s hotline.
“My parents, too. They hate that,” she said of people who don’t register. “You’re supposed to do that stuff.”
In California — where a program called “Cheaters” encourages the reporting of registration violators — new residents get 20 days to comply. Fines there are less than Nevada’s. Utah — which has no program to turn in scofflaws — gives newcomers six months to become residents and register their cars, said Charlie Roberts, spokesman for the Utah DMV.
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I think a valid license plate should be affordable to everyone, who can afford his own vehicle. I do not think that denunciation in that case is an appropriate means to make people pay extraordinary high fees. Can't they just install cameras focusing on the license plates, like I heard they do it in Europe for the transportation vehicles to make them pay the fees before using the highway.
There imho are other subjects worth to give the cops a call, like dom vio, stealing, abuse of minors, drugs, shootings, etc., anyway I think it's time for a new job description. Don't make crime-stoppers and hard-headed cops chasing criminals become the new "license-plate-controllers" (LPC). Could you imagine to get the call: "Freeeeze, stop and get out of the car, LPC!"
The only people who are, and should, be allowed to have license plates from out of states beyond 90 days of moving here are Military personnel. I was in the Air Force stationed at Nellis AFB for 7 years and drove with Washington State plates the entire time. However, law dictates that a person can no longer do this once they are o longer in the military, so I pay the sickening high fees to the state of Nevada. And why shouldn't I? I live here, commute locally, enjoy the highway and city street improvements.
People who skirt this law to pay lower rates in another state SHOULD be found and fined. HEAVILY. Don't give money to another state you don't even live in. That's just dumb!
Yes, the fees are high. REAL high. But, we reap the benefits that come with commuter improvements, so we should bear the cost. I have no problems with anyone turning in a law breaker when it comes to paying their fare share of taxes.
I have tried to turn in people with out of state plates by calling 455-FAIR, but the constable's office has told me that their hotline is ONLY for those people seen driving on out of state plates in the city of las vegas limits-the constable has no jurisdiction outside of the city. Since the city of LV is small, the geographic area covered by this program is equally small compared to the size of the LV valley driven each day. So, my question for the Sun to ask law enforcement is, who do we call when we see an out of state plate in Henderson, Boulder City, North LV, or unincorporated Clark County? Do other law enforcement organizations other than the Constable's office have a program to turn cheaters in? The constables office told me that unless I saw the person driving in the City of LV, they could do nothing. This is a fact that neither the Sun nor the RJ have uncovered, and I would like the Sun to raise the issue and report back. Thank you.
well if they made it at the same cost and easier.
as the states they moved from maybe more drivers would inclined to do so on there own with out all you mommas boy snitches out there. playing GOD.
At the Las Vegas DMV it's an all day affair. whats up with that? kill 8 birds with one stone.........
Thanks Nevada, no wonder this state is hurting
Snitching in a correctional institution subjects one to repercussions.
Doing it in an open society or one's own neighborhood begs the question, what do you know or maybe don't know about karma?
The caller might just imperil the harmony and good vibes of his neighborhood.
For the posters Complaining about time & cost of registering in Nevada: Deal with it!, the rest of us do.
If you found that your neighbor had plugged an extention cord into your your house so he could use your electricity, would you not confront them about it, or at least unplug it? What is the difference? It's people trying to get something for nothing! Pay your fair share freeloaders!
It's upsetting to see all of the out-of state plates on cars dropping off & picking up students at my sons school. I haven't used this 455-fair but maybe I'll start!
Sure, let's think up a bunch of reasons why car owners shouldn't have to pay taxes like everyone else. Taxes aren't fun, but without them we'd all be living in a dump like Pakistan where the majority of people avoid any taxes. I registered my car and paid my share. Enough of this responsibility-shirking which is becoming a way of life in this country. But give the military a break if they're here on duty.
Here's a case of blaming the victim instead of the perpetrator. Who's the victim? We all are when folks move here and don't register their vehicles. It's a bit like them sticking their hands in our pockets and only taking the loose change. A former next-door neighbor had CA plates on their vehicles for as long as they lived there (about 3 or 4 years). Eventually, they were foreclosed on and moved away. I guess they cheated every which way they could. Had there been FAIR back then, I'd have had no problem informing the Constable's office.
Nevada's registration fees are too high. You can get two years worth of car registration in Arizona for the price of one in Nevada.
Arizona has lower car registration fees because they have an income tax.
If you live here, you need to get your car registered here, it's as simple as that. I'd be more than happy to turn someone in who was breaking this law, especially in this time when Vegas is suffering financially. Everyone needs to do their part; registering your car is part of that. Do it or we'll make you pay.
There is a difference between people who move here to start a new life and others who live and have lived here that are simply not complying to avoid the high fees. Next time you are out and about, notice how many Wyoming or Montana license plates there are on motorcycles around town. Think they are all in town visiting? When I moved here myself I was in no hurry to ante up but by chance found out my car insurance was invalid in Nevada and that brought me around. Those who choose to register out of state should be punished, period, and it's not hard to check if they are newbies or not. Tow and impound till the vehicle is properly registered. Once that word got around you wouldn't need a program.
It's become surreal how America has engaged upon a campaign of self espionage -- the self-appointed duty of citizens to "snitch" upon each other under some arbitrary declaration of "fairness" can hardly be considered commendable "neighborly" attributes.
When it comes to costs imposed upon citizenry by governments it has become an "auto"mated issue of compliance for residence of the Silver State rather than one which questions the meaning of "fairness".
Extremely high vehicle registration fees accompanied by higher monopolized insurance rates followed by a smog-test chaser can be a sobering experience for any Sin City newbie naive enough to readily comply with such a ruse of "fairness"?
After all, if costs where perceived to be fair there'd be no compliance issues to begin with - perhaps unfair costs and restrictions are really the culprits here?
Of course there will be no snitching Oscars presented to the community's nosiest participants whose once peaceful occupation of minding their own business has been coerced into sticking their noses up the tailpipes of their neighbor's business.
Pre WWII Germany had a civilian snitching program -- perhaps a short refresher?
An attractive Jewish woman in her early twenties was "brought-in" while being falsely accused of prostitution. She was sentenced to be home no later than midnight every night. She complied for nearly two years until a neighbor turned her in for arriving home 15 minutes past curfew. She was shot for her disobedience.
Note to snitchers, turnabout is "fair play" -- is that what YOU really want - neighbor?
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Why would I register my truck here ? I own a ranch in Utah, my business is located in Utah, the ranch owns the truck, but I live in Las Vegas and the ranch provides me with a company truck to do ranch business. Go ahead turn me in and when my company attorneys push for a record of the call and who made it so I can confront the accuser in a court well you get it, this process is a joke.
Patrick_R_Gibbons,
You seemed to have forgot to mention that you also get to pay Personal Income Tax in the state of Arizona. ;-)
Why not let new residents register their vehicles when the registration expires from the previous state.
That way they are not paying part of the year twice?
What's next, call 911 while on the freeway to report a car driving 66 miles an hour?
Call 911 if you see somebody NOT come to a complete stop at a stop sign?
Call 911 if somebody changes lanes without signaling?
This is all money the state needs also. Why don't these "heros" turn in these scofflaws also?
There is something scary about a society that issues "hero" status for snitching on a fellow citizen.
It used to be "us against them".....now it's become "us against us".
You whiners are idiots.
If you can afford a $25,000 car, you can afford $445 or whatever to register it annually. I pay over $1500 for two cars a year, and I don't complain one bit.
Get over it. I'm going to be turning in so many people now that I know about this. This is a great prgram.
Freeloaders hurt everyone. Go back to California if you can't afford it here.
Aw crap. I went to the fair share website, its only for Las Vegas, they have a map on the site.
No Henderson. They need to include Henderson and North Vegas, they'd make a killing.
I am so glad sevenhills is NOT my neighbor. In my neighborhood we look out for each other, not snitch on each other.
This really needs to get enforced. Sometimes I wonder if Las Vegas is still in Nevada or did some tectonic plates north with all of the Utah plates I see in this city. While they're at it, can they find a way to lower vehicle registration fees or have residents pay vehicle registration every two years? It makes no sense that if you buy a vehicle that's 8 years old you have to pay the registratio fee for the original MSRP of the vehicle. That just isn't right.
To those of you who think that the registration fees are too high. There is no state income tax in Nevada! You are going to pay one way or the other. Where do you brain surgeons think the money comes from to build and maintain the roads you speed up and down on every day! Too bad this was not done 20 years ago when half of California moved here. Maybe the state would not be so broke. People just have to bitch. If you dont like it here LEAVE!
@cracker - regardless f where your ranch is located you're still driving your vehicle in THIS state, using the roads in THIS state and need to help chip in to keep the road in THIS state driveable and safe. And THAT'S what some of the money from car registrations in THIS state helps to pay for. So until you anti-up perhaps you should park the vehicle and take a bus. Or perhaps we should ALL stop registering our cars and see what condition our roads are in, in a few years..... people like you, cracker, make me sick.
All you narcs out there, if you want to narc on someone, narc on all the illegals who are out there. They're the ones who are costing you money, not the people with out of state plates. I read that some piece of shlock in B.C. turned in the ol man of some gal on the city council. Now that's just a vendeta! I'll bet those kids pay way more than their fair share of taxes on everything.
People should worry about their own lives, not the registration of other peoples vehicles.
thats right no state income tax, so you clever people then tax everything else, why not tax the air we breath, you also give very little back to the community the same community who pay taxes on everything..
this state cannot afford to tax everything, as you tax people to the point of leaving the state
I plan on moving to Las Vegas within the next year. I hope my registration cost isnt as much as it is here in California. LOL
It will be more RanchoJuan.
Nevada is entitled to it's own tax structure and this is part of it. Get over it.
maybe the rules could be modified - say that the fine be in the amount of the time over one month left on the registration of the state of origin - in other words tolerate the plates from the state of silly and charge a local fee proportionate to the months left.
We should spread out where tax revenue comes from. Lower the car registration tax, but start a small (very small) state income tax.
Those of you crying about it being snitching remember to thank those ungrateful neighbors of yours when you pay your registration and any other fees associated with your motor vehicle here in Nevada, because your good friends your neighbors not registered here are causing your rates to be higher also. If everyone did their part then maybe those of us who do pay our rates may go down a bit. So all of you freeloaders out there not only should you be fined your car should be impounded until you pay the fines and fees and register legally here, as far as I am concerned the fines are not nearly high enough and the punishment is to leinient, do not give back the fines keep them, giving it back only serves to allow those who are going not going to play by the rules more incentive not to worry about it.
I think the plan should go farther they should put together a bunch of retirees who want to still be civically active and let them drive through the neigborhoods and activley pursue those who all of you "great neighbors" out there wont turn in and then we would get results.
I knew somebody would bring up illegal aliens. Why are they illegal? Because they broke the law.
If you live in Nevada, unless you qualify for an exception, you are required by law to register your vehicle(s). If you don't, you are breaking the law.
Of course we can lower the fees and replace that revenue with an income tax. But then somebody's going to complain that the state and local governments are hiring too many union people to administer the income tax.
If people won't follow the law and pay the required fees, we can always hire more police to go around looking the out-of-state plates. It'll require a lot of police because they will have to keep going back to same areas to find out who actually lives here.
Pick your poison.
Nevada must start to follow the US constitution and give full faith and credit to other state's vehicle registration. In other words, Nevada should recognize the other state's vehicle registration until it runs out. After that registration runs out the car should be registered in Nevada.
If you have a job and living in the state you need to register your car and follow the law. do not complain about the high registration rates. I have a Madza Protege and here in California my registration is 480 per year plus smog! I cannot wait to move to Nevada and cut my costs!
MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING; wow, 22 people registered after all this public drivel; They would have registered anyway when the plates expire so nothing is gained, HOW STUPID, try worrying about REAL PROBLEMS ; We spend 2 billion dollars per budget over private sector/ national average for Cadillac benefits of just Nv state employees.
Cities and counties probably double that and another 2 billion on illegal aliens,
FOR GODS SAKE stop being goofy; that totals about 8 thousand million dollars per 2 year cycle
Talk of penny wise and 20 pound foolish; this car title crap is an example of very small minds unable to deal with real big problems.
Dlvegas, I like it... And you know retirees would love that job...
I guess I am confused by the outrage over being held accountable to the community you live in... 1) your breaking the law... 2) Just because it is expensive does not mean you are exempt...
What's the difference between paying in April at tax time or paying when your registration is due?
You have a civic duty to contribute, period... Roads are not free, Parks are not free, Schools are not free... Where do you think the money for these items is supposed to come from...
My guess is when it comes to taxes you are dodging your states income taxes as well as dodging the Nevada car registration fees... Personally that make you part of the problem with this country these days... No one is willing to do their part, but they sure will scream about getting their slice of the pie... Makes me laugh...
We were a military family, and my parents always registered where we lived, didn't matter what the cost was or how long we were stationed there... It was their civic duty to the community they lived in... I was brought up the same way, you contribute your piece... But I guess that is a foreign concept to some people... Its always the other guys problem right?
There was a time when you worked hard for what you wanted, you did your part, and we were not this society of I want it now screw everyone else... It is really too bad we as a community have lost scope of that...
People need to get a life! If it's a serious crime thats one thing but snitches are usually doing something illegal themselves.
<It makes no sense that if you buy a vehicle that's 8 years old you have to pay the registratio fee for the original MSRP of the vehicle>
My car is a 2002 and I finally registered it in NV in 2008 after the ex and I split up(the title had both my ex's and my name on it but the ex still lived in Chicago so we had the car registered in Illinois since 2002, which BTW was legal since one of the owners still lived in Illinois) I did not pay a fee for the original MSRP of the vehicle when I registered it in June '08. My total came to only $245 to change the title and register the car and getting NV plates. However, when re-registering the car here in Illinois, I finally did it in June of this year even though I had been here since October of'09 (my plates were still valid even though "new" residents get 90 days to transfer everything over). THAT cost me the same amount of money here in Illinois as it did in Nevada. But IL has a "flat rate" on everything. It will always be the same regardless thanks to that 3% income tax.
What is with all the SNITCHING comments? HOW PARANOID CAN YOU GET? This isn't some crime ridden urban neighborhood.
This county needs all the cash it can get. Keep on tattling people. I hope the program expands to the other areas of the county as well.
And I too feel that people should be fined for moving violations as well. Since Sunday morning, I have watched 8 cars run red lights (really, really red. But Metro and NHP will not doing anything unless they catch them in the act.
amen little chick. rest assured, there are many more like you who know we cant all dodge taxes. we cant all race to the stoplight. we cant all cut the line. we cant all screw the other guy. we cant all drop out. we cant all stop paying the mortgage.
We can grow up, accept responsibility and authority and make our city a better place to live in. We can do it.
FWIW:
FACTS:
- Not all fees associated with vehicle registration go to road/highway funding, only a fraction.
- Nevadans driving their vehicles 1/10th the mileage aren't being charged 1/10th the registration fee, while vehicle weight/mileage as opposed to age/cost contribute to road wear.
- The vast majority (~90%) of vehicles emitting air pollution are those with diesel type engines i.e. buses and trucks.
- Vehicles registered in Nevada must purchase insurance from agencies located only in Nevada.
- Nevada's average annual vehicle registration fees of $362.00 is the eighth highest is the nation with a national average of $185.38. (2008)*
- Total Registration and State/Local Tax Costs annually for Nevada vehicles is $562.46, sixth highest in the County. (2008)*
- Nevada ranks tenth in highest Fuel Tax Costs ($33.41/gallon). (2008)*
- 2010 Nevada average vehicle insurance rate is $1,828 with a national average of $1,553**
Ref:
(*)
http://itd.idaho.gov/econ/MiscReports/Co...
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http://www.carinsurance.com/Average-Prem...
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primetime, please explain your lack of civic responsibility. You own a home in this state. You drive your cars in this state. But you refuse to pay for the resources. Why? Why wouldnt you assume to pay in both states? You use both state infrastructures. Why are you so proud of the fact that you dont pay here (while the rest of us do) are we suckers?
Nevada (like other states) does NOT give refunds for early registration terminations (such as when you sell your car before the current registration period ends). They give a "credit", which expires if you don't use it.
So if you paid $450 to register your car, which expires in perhaps 5 months, and you just moved to/from NV, you probably aren't in a hurry to pay another $450 to the new state and just lose the money.
People want to comply with their new state, so simply modify the laws to make it fair and people will do so.
And for you high school-ish "hall monitors" out there, you should have moved to East Germany when you had the chance. In the US, you're just annoying and about as well liked as a meter maid. Please, I beg you, do start calling 911 every time you see someone driving 66mph or rolling a stop sign or not signaling a turn or driving in the left lane on the freeway, or watering their lawn on an off day, or letting their chickens wear eye protectors after sunset...we'll enjoy watching how much the authorities react to your incessant citizenship.
Florida also doesn't have a state income tax and their vehicle registration fees are a fraction of those in Nevada. This system penalizes those with newer, more expensive cars which most likely are more fuel efficient and pollute less. The fee structure needs to be changed!
Correction/Clarification; to "Nevada ranks tenth in highest Fuel Tax Costs ($33.41/gallon). (2008)*"
Nevada Fuel Tax is $33.41 CENTS/Gallon tenth hightest (Obviously not to be confused with $33.41 DOLLARS/Gallon).
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"I disagree with the registration costs and therefore anyone who reports me is a narc who belongs in Germany"
does that sum it up for the opposition?
Good, I hope people do turn people in for not registering their vehicle. I just wish people were that active when it comes to turning in criminals that they know committed a crime. Just like the senior who was attacted on Lamb and Vegas Valley. Just like some knows who owns the vehicle that try to rob a elderly woman in the Smith's parking lot and who later died, black Nissan, Sentra, 2008-2010. These people need to be turned in before they strike again, and maybe it may be you.
Additional note to fuel tax advocates -- gasoline powered equipment such as lawnmowers, weed-whackers, generators, ATV's and off-road motorcycles etc. are being charged fuel taxes without producing road/highway wear. -- fairness?
FWIW:
Normally the only time a person thinks about their car insurance is when they have to pay the bill or need to make a claim. Car insurance is not something anyone likes to pay for, but unfortunately it is necessary. One of major priorities when obtaining car insurance is to get the lowest price possible. Customer service should also be exceptional; everyone deserves to be treated fairly and with respect. Here is a list of 3 other things that you should know about getting the lowest rate on your car insurance that a vehicle insurance company will not tell you.
1. When you are getting insurance quotes you are not looked at as a person. You are considered a risk. How high or low of a risk is determined by a number of factors. Keeping a clean driving record will make you a low risk which in turn makes the vehicle insurance company want to insure you and the companies will offer you much lower rates. You will have to prove that you are a safe driver to them before they consider you for these discounts. If you have had numerous tickets and accidents you are consider high risk and the insurance companies will not be knocking on your door to try and insure you. They will charge you a higher rate in order to obtain insurance.
2. First and foremost a vehicle insurance company wants to make money. It is a business after all, and a fairly lucrative one. In truth an insurance company does not want to pay your claims. No matter what you see on television or hear on the radio, a vehicle insurance company is not there to help you, they are a business, and as such their first priority is making money. Customer service may be high on the list, but it is definitely not first.
3. In order to get a discount you are going to have to ask for them. An insurance agent is not going to readily offer all the discounts you may have available. Remember that insurance agents work on commission, so the more you are paying the more money that goes into their pockets. It is important to know all of the discounts that are available to you and make sure you ask for them. Before speaking to an agent do your homework so you are informed before making a final decision on your insurance policy.
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your insurance rates are based on where you are driving the car. So if you own a house in baker but park and drive the car in vegas, the insurance company wants to know that so they can properly assess your risk. But screw them, they charge too much right? stick it to other policy holders who do pay the right amount.
@primetime "makes no sense and it's a silly law." really ? that's your position on this thing? well then, let me take a whack at the civil code and see what I don't like.
Wow, look at the multitude of postings defending people who are breaking the law, and letting freeloaders get off - amazing....
Noindex, you stated your neighbors look out for each other - if they truly did, they would realize that actually paying to register their car is looking out for their fellow neighbor by contributing to the services that they use. Not freeloading off the rest of the neighborhood.
I'm glad Jenlv does not live on my street either.
Wwaaaaa! What ever happened to the days you could speed and get away with it when you were late for work??? Those days are long ago replaced with a "Hall Monitor" mentality of, if "I" can't do it "THEY" can't do it. DEAD! Dead are the days when we were able to bend the rules for others and ourselves when the rules were deemed "inapplicable" to a situation. Long live government oversight! Long live the angst that we all have for a system that monitors our every move in the hopes of finding another potential revenue stream. Instead of venting our angst at the system the system will have us point out our neighbors so the system can be enforced against them. Who WOULDN'T want to live under these conditions.
I say we get completely draconian on every facet of life. We have all of these fancy cameras in place and funded with the promise that they would NEVER be used enforce traffic violation. Psshh. Promises are for the little people, never something a government should be saddled with. While we enforce trafficlight violations let's install black boxes that have GPS enabled monitoring devices to charge for mileage used taxes mail speeders there citations too. Why stop there though? Let's install domestic violence monitors in all of our houses too. Everyone hates domestic violence, almost as much as non-plate registers. Let's install subdermalnurodisruption devices at the base of the skull on every new born infant and eventually "justifiable homicide" by police will become a thing of the past. Goodtimes ahead with all you freedom loving rule enforcement lunatics. God I pray that registered my car last month..... BRB gotta run and check.
The more I read this, the more I still think registration is cheaper in Nevada. LOL
oh, and I believe it was our democrat majority state legislature that hiked up these registration fees ............... something to think about when you vote in a few weeks
@the days when we were able to bend the rules for others and ourselves when the rules were deemed "inapplicable" to a situation.
what days were these? the days when the policia were not looking or were bribed off? Rules? what rules are these? the laws of the country/state/county and city you currently sleep and work in?
The laws are/were always applicable. You may think they were not and you broke the law. So then you have to be ready to face the consequences of breaking the law even if you think the law is silly or doesn't apply. Those who enforce the law are not at fault.
What you describe is how it works in a banana republic with Kangaroo courts. Go back there and enjoy.
Aren't you guys defending the "freeloaders" the same guys who complain about foreclosures not paying the HOA?
Flat fee's and afordable plates - Lay off most at the DMV. (starting at the top - down. Operate it like a commercial service business not as a Government position.
So let me get this straight, if I pay for registration in California in January $500 and then move to Nevada in March the same year Nevada expects me to pay another $500 in registration fees!! Unless the states begin refunding people for unused registration fees which THEY SHOULD be required to do then you can not expect people to pay twice for something this expensive. That is outrageous and is border line of criminal for Nevada to expect people to pay these ridiculous and exorbitant fees twice. Nevada should receive a credit from CA for people that have unused registration fees and have left the state. If registration was only 30 bucks it would not be a big deal BUY when Nevada adds a thousand percent on top of the registration fee for "Other" fees it is just wrong and thats tough if they don't like it. Go steal from someone else. This only applies to the first year they arrive not for years after they have moved here.
This law coincides perfectly with LV attitudes-always think someone is living better than you, getting more breaks than you and general suspicion and unfriendly attitudes towards others.
Claimimg ignorance can only get you so far.
@MG - It's not Nevada's job to worry about what fees and taxes you paid in CA. It's YOUR job to pay the appropriate taxes in the state you live.
Oh, by the way, genius, If you send in your OLD registration plates to CA, you get the prorated portion back in which you do not drive on their streets.
I moved to Vegas 14 years ago. I had Arizona plates on 3 vehicles. I registered my vehicles just like I am suppose to do. Then I took the Arizona plates back to DPS and got my refund. A few years later, I sold one of those vehicles and took the plates off of it. I took them to the DMV and recieved a REFUND. Not a credit. At that time, about 11 years ago, I was told you only got a credit from DMV if you informed them you would be registering a different vehicle within 30 days. I was also told that if I did it that way, and did not get a new vehicle, I could go back for my refund any time. I never felt like I was paying two states. Granted, that was a decade ago, things may have changed. I sure do hate the fees here, but I hated that state income tax in Arizona even more! The fees are a lot less than the tax ever was!
Illegal aliens cost the state WAY more that license plates. Can we set up a hot line to report illegal aliens and have them deported? I found some in front of Star Nursery. I guess it is too hard for law enforcement to do the same.
...was just kidding... :)
Ain't nothing lower than a rat ...
Ain't nothing lower then a freeloading bum.
thank you Rebecca.
So now we have it. You get a refund from the state you came from. So now the opposition can be based on deciding to not pay - because you cant or wont afford it.
Baseless.
i know of at least 5 cars on my street that would qualify for a phone call, however, i will not call. i could never subject someone to having to stand in line for 4 hours to hand over 500 bucks for their stupid reg fees.
the state of florida has no state income tax for personal income, and their reg fees are a hell of a lot less than ours.
eventually, their state inspection sticker will expire and then they are running on thin ice with their home state for driving a vehicle that is not inspected. there should be teirs of reg fees.
Tier1. vehicles, no more than 4 wheels, under 4500 pounds. $125 per year. smog not required if under 4 years old
Tier2. vehicles, no more than 4 wheels, over 4500lbs but under 6500lbs, $200 per year. smog not required if under 4 years old.
Tier3. vehicles, no more than 6 wheels (duallys for example) over 4500 pounds, $250 per year. smog not required if under 3 years old.
Tier4. vehicles, over 6 wheels, and over 6500lbs, or any vehicle over 6500 pounds, $275 per year. no smog check required if under 3 years old
Tier5. HYBRIDS. all hybrids will follow the above rates, but will automatically add $55 to the registration fees, in order to recoup lost gas taxes.
Tier6. FLEET. all fleet vehicles will follow the above rates, plus $35-50 per vehicle. FLEET is a new class, and all fleet vehicles will receive special plates depending on your fleet type. the different types will be: Commercial, which is for someones business owned vehicle. no travel restrictions in the state of NV will exist. Taxi, which is for all taxicabs in NV. Limo, for all limos in NV. Rental cars will not get special tags for security reasons, but will be considered a fleet rate.
Tier7. Luxury vehicles. all vehicles that have a classification of luxury based on VIN, or qualified for a gas guzzler tax when new and is under 5 years old, add $50 to your above tiered rate.
other tiers will include rates for 18 wheelers, tractors, certain specialty vehicles, those large box delivery trucks, etc.
you get the idea. go by weight. not by msrp.
their attitude is if you can afford a 90k vehicle, you can afford the inflated reg rates. not true. what if you happened to get a 90k vehicle as a gift? a 23 year old 53k vehicle is 174 dollars. i owned such a vehicle, it was a bmw. bmw's that are 23 years old are pretty much worthless. why should i pay an inflated rate? my 2003 car was cheaper!!! sadly, i paid 100 bucks for that bmw so the reg and smog and title combined cost more than double just to put it on the road than it cost for me to buy it.
It seems to me that if you "reside" in two states, you obcviously can only have one driver's license, so pick one. But as far as cars go, I know a guy who had houses (and cars) in two states. His cars in California had CA plates. His Arizona cars had AZ plates. Sometimnes one car would be in the other state for a short time here and there, but he registered the cars in the state where it was based. What's so hard about that. Insurance companies, I believe, want to know "where the car is based" (or parked), not, where you get your mail.
My 2005 Chevy costs $160 this year in California. Not too bad, The 2008 is twice that. If I ever move to Nevada (or any other state), I will switch the registrations of any car I take over in the specofied time. We had a car in Alaska for a couple years, switched the registration and insurance the week we took it up there. Switched it back when we brought it home to CA. It was a bit of a hassle (Ca DMV lost info we gave them showing Alaska registration, tried to charge us for the 2 years, fortunately, we had the records).
@NewCityHall:
What do you mean, illegal aliens, ...you mean real Aliens, is E.T. coming back down to earth?
@sigtwenty:
Do you know a place where your nice little state inspection sticker will never expire?
...where the sun never shines.
(Why don't you just stick it there, for the sake of endless validity... lol :)
Yawn, yawn , yawn, time to hit the sheets, bye, bye.
ROFLOL @cwcommish so you are saying that all rules/laws apply always equally to everyone? Wise up guy. Long before all the clowns migrated to Las Vegas there was a time that getting pulled over while speeding to work got you a "slow-down" yelled at you and a move along from Metro and NHP. Now it gets you shot by analretentive do gooders like yourself more concerned with the letter of the law then the spirit of the law.
BTW cwcommish your racism is hanging out... $20.00 and a thorough buttwhipping says I've been in Vegas longer then you. The $20.00 will go in a fund to help me pay for registering the fleet of cars I operate in Nev. The buttwhipping is for being a racist clown.
No pablo, Im saying that this law applies equally to everyone who lives or works in this state. Expecting a warning is taking advantage of the system.
Ill tip the $20 just like I did when you cleaned my room at the hotel. Go get your shine box.
LoL the racist hits just keep playing in your head. Let me ask you this, you strike me as a law abiding do gooder. Why are middle-upper income caucasians constantly screaming about the benefits of capitalism yet yearning deep within for Socialist tax structure and adherence? Why all the resentment for being privileged? Governments just gotta get theirs and you HAVE to facilitate it... Wierd. "Give me compliance, or give me death." - Patrick Henry
How do you tell a snowbird car from a military car from a student car? A number of casinos have an area in their parking garage set aside for out of state high roller parking, where they station a car for when their in tow.
This is just an election year gimmick for the constable and the talk radio blowhards.
32 year resident/Free will
This program has the potential for money laundering.Who has oversight?If it is the ID producers at the DMV, "L-1 Identity Solutions",the whole thing is a sham. This program does cost taxpayers. Taxes pay the salary for the Constable.What is the TOTAL cost/profit being realized, & where is it going? And honestly, Meter Maids in our neighborhoods?This is unconstitutional & another money laundering scam. Let me guess, the fines are paid to a PO Box in Arizona, right? That's where the sewer payments have been rerouted to. Nevada has laws in place for all of this. We are not some small shanty town.A Quote"Nevada has many tourists. Law enforcement cannot pull over every car with an out of state plate." OF COURSE NOT-it's unconstitutional & it would ruin the economy. Noone would return if they were always getting pulled over & possibly ticketed. So instead, our citizens are paying a much higher, hidden cost.It makes us hate our neighbors-were not sure which ones though!
You cannot register a vehicle in the state of Nevada if you reside in another state as your primary residence. Even if you own a second house in Nevada, your vehicle is registered in your state of residence. If you keep a second car at your second home, its registered in your state of residence. It's no difference than not being able to vote in Nevada without being a resident.
Car registration fees pay for roads, schools and other government functions. When a car is registered, $33 goes to the state, he said. The rest goes to the county.... Are you sure ? Does not seem like any of the above are getting any support. With the exception of the career long highway construction which never seems to get completed in this small densely populated valley.The Schools and government are very disfunctional.
rats all of em...
Can we have a phone number to call in and report illegal alliens? I found a bunch in front of a nursery (why can't law enforcement seem to locate these criminals?). Illegal aliens cost taxpayers WAY more than out of state license plates.
Also, you can't go after people with out of state plates. These people will then be afraid to report crimes.
Perhaps Harry Reid can get amnesty for out of state plates. I bet he will even offer to pay for them to go to college!
I love how The SUN won't let you comment on the main page, unless you give them all your personal information. They don't want people to be "mean". Have they ever heard of freedom of speech? Do they realize that many people won't be able to comment at all because it would jeopordize their jobs? Are people going to feel free to hold Metro accountable without the risk of being harrassed? Would someone comment that they want a gang member locked up forever without fear of reprisals? I thought journalists understood the first ammendment. I guess THE SUN editiors feel they should be the thought police. I suppose they feel our names should be published telling everyone who we vote for also. If someone uses foul language, then kick them off the post. Short of that, leave people alone, and allow freedom of expression.
@ NewCityHall - In order to even follow along you have to click on "see all comments" anyway...
A little late to the party,dont you think NV?!!
The biggest abusers of these fees were construction workers,and most of them have vacated
Nice job NV
maybe if you would have started this campaign 2-3 years ago
What a joke!
peace out
NewCityHall,
I was coming back from a job bid last week,and YES i screwed up by throwing a cigarette out my truck window,and for that i was irresponsible,and acted like an idioy
That aside,I purposely drove an extra 1/2 block to pull over on eastern/pebble,right next to the nursery
Honest to god,there was literally 17 illegals standing within 50 feet of my truck,and the henderson cop
I was polite,have never been arrested,and have had no tickets in 4 years,prior to that 6 years,and those were speeding only
He issued me a 186.00 ticket,while the illegals stood there,and contemplated running,,you could see they were panicking
My point is,I made the mistake,and will pay for my mistake,BUT there could have been an warning ticket,especially when there are other things going on for this officer to worry about
just venting
peace out
Why Noindex? At least as my neighbor you would know that I'm paying my fair share. Sounds like you don't care that your neighbors are freeloading at your expense!
@ Harry - If you knew anything about auto insurance policies in Nevada you would have worded your post better. There are 2 basic types of insurance agents in Nevada. Preferred companies i.e Allstate/American Family/State Farm and so on. The other type is Non-standard i.e. the specialty companies. I work for a non-standard and we are NOT paid commission. We make hourly that way there is no excessive selling of extras for money. Non-standard companies are for people with imperfect driving records, bad credit, and high risk drivers. Our rates are very sensible for our customer base. Prefered companies all rate credit, if you get divorced your rate goes up, or you get a minor speeding ticket it will go up. They give great rates to people that are in their demographic, others are shut out. So if your going to purchase insurance simply ask your self what group do you best fit with? And just a little note to explain why rates are so "high" here... 1 in 4 drivers in Nevada state are driving uninsured! Food for thought!