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Current and past leaders of the conservative movement, from left, Barry Goldwater, William F. Buckley and Glenn Beck.
Sunday, Jan. 24, 2010 | 2 a.m.
Sun Archives
- ‘Tea Party’ set turns out in Las Vegas at its anti-Harry Reid finest (1-13-2010)
- Grass roots or not, Nevada tea parties had assist (9-1-2009)
- Hundreds rally against Harry Reid, proposed health care reform (8-31-2009)
- Countering the hysteria (8-26-2009)
- Anti-tax advocates rally against spending, Obama (4-15-2009)
Sun Coverage
The federal government, under the guise of helping the mentally ill, is establishing a concentration camp in Alaska to house political opponents — a new step on the path toward totalitarianism.
Dan Smoot and other historical footnotes made the allegation in 1956, and it briefly became an obsessive cause of the right-wing grass roots, with each new allegation topping the last.
Perhaps this episode sounds vaguely familiar. That’s because Fox commentator Glenn Beck said last year he had tried but could not refute claims that the Obama administration was creating FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) camps that would house its political opponents.
Remarking on the camps and his failed attempt to “debunk” the allegation, Beck said: “If you have any kind fear that we might be heading toward a totalitarian state, look out. Buckle up. There is something happening in our country and it ain’t good.”
He would later correct his FEMA camp story, but by then, the myth had implanted itself.
Beck and the Tea Party movement of which he is a central figure are often portrayed as a new and exotic political phenomenon. Pollsters treat the Tea Party movement like a third political party, and indeed, it is especially popular at the moment among unaffiliated voters new to politics.
For voters — most recently in last week’s Massachusetts special election — who believe big government and big business are engaged in a corrupt marriage, the movement feels like a refreshing voice for average people who aren’t in those backrooms and so aren’t getting cut in on the deals, like during health care reform negotiations.
Indeed, Kay Lawrence, a retired art gallery manager who attended a Tea Party event in Las Vegas recently, voices this complaint: “We’re sick of these sweetheart deals.”
For all its apparent freshness, however, the Tea Party movement is neither new nor novel, historians and political scientists say.
It is firmly rooted, in its ideology, rhetoric and — there’s no polite word for it — its paranoia, in the post-World War II American right.
Every few years, usually though not always during a Democratic administration, the movement reappears, with a similar set of grievances: The expansion of government is moving us toward socialism; there’s been a dangerous weakening of the national security apparatus but also, paradoxically, the threat of police state provisions at home; an alien subversive of nefarious intentions, composed of cosmopolitan elites and corrupt “one worlders” has infected the government.
In the 1950s, conservatives were angered when their champion, Ohio Sen. Robert Taft, was shoved aside by Republican elites in favor of the moderate Dwight Eisenhower.
Kathy Olmsted, a University of California, Davis historian of the period, notes that they accused the one-time Supreme Allied Commander of being a communist agent, an allegation made repeatedly by candy tycoon Robert Welch.
Consider the far-right rallying cry during the presidency of Bill Clinton: Jackbooted government thugs were on the loose; American soldiers were fighting under the U.N. flag; the 1993 tax increase — and yet another failed attempt at health care reform — the marks of a closet socialist.
The most fitting parallel, however, may be the early 1960s, when right-wing activists believed the civil rights movement was the work of the Soviets and, as Ronald Reagan alleged, Medicare a push for socialized medicine.
“The tropes, the rhetoric, the cultural profile — there are profound similarities,” says Rick Perlstein, who has completed two books of a trilogy on the history of the conservative movement and is widely viewed by conservatives and liberals alike as its key chronicler.
Like President Barack Obama, John F. Kennedy was a “first” — the first Catholic president in a nation with a long history of anti-Catholic bigotry and conspiracy theories about powerful papists. Like Obama, Kennedy’s administration was staffed with Eastern elites from the best schools and largest corporations, all viewed warily by Sun Belt and rural Americans.
Another parallel, Olmsted says, the Tea Party movement is not unlike a right-wing activist group of the time, The John Birch Society. “The John Birch Society was extreme, but also connected to the Republican Party, and Republican politicians had to make a decision about whether they were with the movement,” she says.
Then there’s the paranoia: Before it was communist plots, now it is “death panels” and the belief that the administration is eager to seize guns.
Gun sales have skyrocketed since Obama’s election. In November 2008, FBI background checks for prospective gun buyers rose 41.6 percent compared with a year earlier, even though Democratic politicians have shown no interest in meaningful gun control in years and have blamed the issue for electoral losses in 1994 and 2000.
Even reasonable Tea Party activists, such as some from the recent Las Vegas event interviewed by the Sun, take it as given that Obama is a socialist. It hardly seems to matter that a significant chunk of the stimulus was a tax cut, or that his chief economist is centrist Larry Summers, or that the bailouts of the auto and banking industries began under President George W. Bush, or that Reagan favored the bailout of Chrysler in 1980, or that Reagan raised taxes to save Social Security.
Obama is a socialist, if he’s not a fascist, a Nazi, or a totalitarian.
Like the Tea Party movement, this paranoia is not new, nor is it confined to the right.
In 2005, as the left pulled at its hair over imagined Bush conspiracies, conservative columnist David Brooks recalled Richard Hofstadter’s seminal 1964 essay, “The Paranoid Style in American Politics.”
“The paranoid spokesman sees the fate of conspiracy in apocalyptic terms — he traffics in the birth and death of whole worlds, whole political orders, whole systems of human values,” Hofstadter wrote. “He is always manning the barricades of civilization.”
As for the enemy, “He makes crises, starts runs on banks, causes depressions, manufactures disasters, and then enjoys and profits from the misery he has produced.”
And, “He is a perfect model of malice, a kind of amoral superman — sinister, ubiquitous, powerful ...”
David Brown, a Hofstadter biographer and historian at Elizabethtown College, notes that Hofstadter places the populist right in the context of America’s long tradition of paranoid political movements that effectively “magnify the opposition.”
The use of the clinical term “paranoid” to describe the president’s opponents is surely condescending.
“It’s condescending, but it also happens to be true,” says Michael Munger, a Duke University political scientist who is a libertarian and has been a keynote speaker at a number of Tea Party rallies.
He says we’ve reached a tipping point of paranoia and conspiracy mongering, fed by two trends: loss of credibility of official sources culminating, as far as conservatives are concerned, with this administration; and the profusion of media outlets that feed on conspiracy and paranoia.
Indeed, there are differences between the current Tea Party movement and its ancestors, especially in the media.
Whereas there were once a handful of powerful media voices, now there are thousands.
Perlstein notes that establishment media of the early 1960s acted as a filter against extremism. Walter Cronkite, for instance, would never countenance the likes of Orly Taitz, a leader of the movement to prove Obama was born in Kenya. And, yet, there she is on the cable networks.
As Olmsted notes, “With cable, there’s an endless appetite for feeding the monster. And with Fox, it’s made to order.”
There was another check on the extremism of the early 1960s — the conservative movement itself. As conservative historian Sam Tanenhaus and Perlstein have noted, the godfather of the conservative movement, William F. Buckley, acted as de facto disciplinarian, casting out the Birch Society and the radical libertarian Ayn Rand.
Buckley is dead, and there are no voices of such singular influence who could play the same role.
Also different: The Republican Party of the early 1960s had a strong contingent of moderates or “Rockefeller Republicans” who favored civil rights and opposed the destruction of the New Deal.
They are gone now, as much a relic as Brylcreem, which makes “purifying” the party an ever more extreme proposition.
What is unknown at this point is whether the Tea Party will have the same lasting success as the conservatives of the early 1960s.
Whatever their now-discredited views about Medicare and the civil rights movement, conservative activists were effective — they overthrew the Republican Party’s Eastern establishment and nominated then-Sen. Barry M. Goldwater in 1964.
The Cuban Missile Crisis, the assassination of Kennedy and Goldwater’s own rhetoric — “I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice!” — scared voters and led to a landslide for Democrats in 1964.
But Goldwater’s “The Conscience of a Conservative” remained a founding text of the modern movement, a work of elegant prose and cogent argument, while a speech Reagan gave just before the 1964 defeat would live on like a Homeric poem.
And just 16 years later, the Reagan Revolution was on.







More than half of the Democratic Party thinks that Bush knew about 9/11 and did nothing to stop it.
There are a significant number of Democrats that think Bush actually was the mastermind behind 9/11.
Oh....putting that in the your little very very very very very bais "news story" would have been very uncomfortable for you.
Yes, let's bury the facts that hurt your little agenda.
Oh....want about Obama's spiritual mentor's believe that the government created and spread AIDs just to kill blacks.
Also what about his belief that government gives drugs to blacks to kill them.
Yeah....there is a complete lack of paranoia in the MAINSTREAM Democratic party.....OMG!!!!
Perhaps you should change your name to Patrick Koolaid.
Good article.
Thanks to SgtRock for illustrating the points made.
Mr. Coolican, obviously, you don't know the meaning of fundamental in President Obama's promise of "fundamental change!"
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Nancy Pelosi claimed the outrage from Americans was paid for and fake as she labeled it Astro Turf. The elitists in Washington and New York have labeled angry Americans as mobs of loonies and this article tries to continue this slander.
Only the votes in November that send Pink Slips to harry Reid and the rest of these leftists that feel their view should be forced on the rest of us will tell this author and others that they went too far.
This has to be the most bias I have ever read in a newspaper of this size! Who wrote this story Axelrod?
Mr. Pat Coolican, It is obvious that some of the problems the Obama Administration is facing was inherited from the Bush Administration. Obama promised to take care of many of these inherited problems but so far has either let them continue or has compounded to these problems.
It is obvious in my eyes as in others, that there has always been powers controlling our Administrations in the past as they are today. The party that we have been dependant on believing in for years, be it Dem. or Rep., still shock us at times when we spout out the statement "I can't believe they did that".
You can't believe it's just the Republicans that have been doing this, unless you've got your head shoved so far up your ego that there is no oxygen present to enable you to think straight.
I truely hope the day returns when we can listen to a politcian give a speech and believe what we are being told. I truely hope that in the future that when I either listen to media sources, or read from media sources, I will be able to believe I have heard or read an unbiased true story. Of course money can buy just about anything these days. Still believe there are no illegals here in the valley?
What a crock of donkey dung this article was!
But since it was published in the Las Vegas Sun and since the reporters of this diminishing newspaper is incapable of reporting fairly the truth it is expected to be slanted so far left it slides off the table.
Don't you people get it?
We are sick of the corruption of the two party system! Note, that I say the two party system, because it appears that there is no longer a difference between the two anymore!
Even though this article is trying to state that there is a fundamental difference try to find it. Each has its corrupt officials, in the demoratic party, we have the corrupt Dirty Harry, and the witch of the west pelosi, and the insane Muslim, nobama!
In the republican party, we have the sex addicted John Ensign, the aging criminal John McCain, who is more of a liberal and thus he should really be called a demorat versus a republican, but his Waterloo is coming in Arizona in the next few months when he will be voted out in Arizona, as will Dirty Harry, if they both don't resign versus facing the stigma of being trounced out!
The Independent American Party of Nevada is going to rise out of the ashes this year due to the corruption of the two parties!
The Independent American Party of Nevada is a true Battle Born political party conceived solely here in Nevada with Nevada citizens of all classes running for political office with a vast array of skills and knowledge; best of all,they are all ethical people with morals, a welcome change to what we have had to deal with here in Clark County from the Reids, the Bragers and the other demorats on the Clark County Commission as evident by the recent release of more than 5 Clark County Commissioners who were all sentenced for taking bribes !
Then we have the unethical Brager (D) who is a real estate agent who was given a fine by the state ethics board and then tells the board she doesn't have the money to pay the fine and asks for relief and it is granted. At the same time she has given Rory Reid $10K for his to be unsuccessful attempt to become governor of Nevada. How corrupt is this?
The Independent American Party of Nevada is the only way to go this year, we must revitalize our local government with people with ethics, not the same old corrupt incumbents we have now!
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It (the tea party movement) is firmly rooted...in...in the post-World War II American right.
No, you left-wing political hack. You've got the wrong war. Try the American Revolution if you're looking for roots.
How 'bout it, Las Vegas Sun? Are you ashamed of yourselves yet? I sure as he|| would be!
You can't paint the Tea Party movement by using some of the most extreme members as accurate representation. Beck gets what the MSM doesn't...and that's why his ratings smoke everyone else's. Of course I don't agree with everything he says but he taps into the frustration like noone else.
We're sick of having a gun to our heads and being forced to continuously pay more taxes. First to Wall St. so they can make huge bonuses and then to unions and insurance companies to pad their pockets. Basically, everyone gets bailed out except us, and everyone receiving the $$ makes more than us and has better healthcare and pensions.
We're sick of the bribes and corruption. Repubs and Dems don't even bother trying to disguise the bribes and corruption anymore. I say we throw all the bums out and put someone in who has the stones to enforce bank fraud and political bribery laws...and throw in some enforcement of usury laws for dessert.
We're sick of being lied to and treated like children. You want government healthcare?? We already have it and it's called Medicaid. Go ahead and expand it to cover everyone and then cut the $$ to it...all the while raising taxes. Just don't insult my intelligence by saying you can cover more people for less money without cutting quality.
And don't slam the door in my face and tell me how you're being "transparent." Please. Enough already.
You can call it paranoid if you want but the current system is mathematically unsustainable and will end badly. The can is getting harder to kick everyday.
Thank you for enlightening me about the Tea Party movement. I had not heard of it before. Sounds great, think I will join and donate $$. Thanks.
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Everything Republicans complain about today, they rammed through under Bush. These people are so sick, I can't use the words I really want to say on here. Things they put on their rally signs and what they scream at the President are proof enough they should be in some ward of a mental hospital. Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh say things every day on their talk shows that are so offensive, yet Republicans put them up as their leader of the party. They take their marching orders from these swine. They are sick, sick, sick!!
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There arent' enuff rich people to vote Republican so they have to sucker enuff idiots, racists and religious zealots to vote with them. Unless you're rich you shouldn't vote Republican, they're just conning you to vote against your OWN economic interests! Bush said his goal was not to fool ALL the people ALL the time but just some of the people ALL the time (and he definitely did that!)! LOL
Beck is nothing more than another "recovering" junkie who has replace his drug addiction with food, just like Limbaugh. And they know their gullible God-fearing constituents will eat it up and make them filthy rich.
If a picture is truly worth a thousand words -- is Beck the best you can do? He can't hold a candle to either Goldwater or Buckley.
"Try explaining Hitler to a kid." -- George Carlin "Brain Droppings" 1997
Just as Mr. Sun doesn't want to be defined by the extremists, we Libertarians do not wish to be defined solely by Beck, Limbaugh, Palin, et. al...however, they do serve the purpose of defining the endpoints...
Beck couldn't hold Buckley's or Goldwater's jocks
Are all you writers this morning vying for an Academy Award for the most fictitious storyline?
Who's gonna win. Keep writing, this is fun.
And you guys expected anything better from the LV SUN? It's just about embarrassing...
I wonder why Air America went BK?
I see this for what this is. Advance work for Obama's trip to help the socialist Harry Reid. Nice try but this will not fool anybody you liberal hate mongering hack. Harry is going to lose and lose big!
The Democrats just don't get it: In the eyes of real Americans the ones that take care of themselfs in life and don't look at the government as a family member' The rest of the world would quickly die off if we were not holding them up in life no more. POLITICAL AID / ECONOMIC AID / MILITARY AID /
SOCIALISM IS A FAILED POLICY!!!
SELF-RELIANCE WILL ALWAYS WIN THE DAY!!!
I can't believe this article!
My idealistic world is when we actually put people in office that care about our country.
If you think its happening now then you believe this article.
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Wow!
What a smear article of out of context, half-truths. The Sun really lets its ideology show this time.
Only one question?
You really believe that LBJ was a better president than Barry Goldwater would have been?
It's 840 am Sunday morning, the library is not yet open, but people who claim to be POOR, have enough money to own a computer to comment on this story. Thanks friends for my Sunday morning chuckle
Hey LVS, how about a headline -
Obama + Reid + LVS true love forever?
Your editorial belongs between the comics and help wanted ads.
What a load of blather. Can't you leftists do anything but name calling? Paranoid? We're paranoid???? Golly, gee, we have an empty suit in the White House surrounded by Chicago thugs, haters of America, enraptured by Mao and Che. Our Congressional leaders pay no attention to the problems in the ecomony and instead push the most corrupt and putrid health care legistation in history, replete with pay-offs and secret meetings. AND WE'RE PARANOID? Regular people go to Washington to express a need for change and those law-abiding doctors, merchants, workers, and retires are called Astro-turf and worse by the Congressional leadership. AND WE ARE PARANOID, YOU SAY???
We are not paranoid. WE ARE FURIOUS. We are going to have a peaceful revolution at the ballot box that will change history. Any politician that thinks it is business as usual is going to be history.
Patrick, I really enjoyed the article. I dont agree with any of it, but is was a good read.
If medicare and medicade are not social medicine, what is it? I beleive Reagan was right on this one
Also, David Brooks is no conservative. If you want to know what conservatives believe, read the last chapter of Levin's book
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I would like to remind my right-wing friends that recently, Republican leaders issued a list of beliefs that you must have to be considered a true Republican. Among those who did not share several of those beliefs was some guy named Ronald Reagan.
Left-wingers have the tendency to claim that if you don't agree with them, you are not a true Democrat or thinker. Right-wingers often attack this tendency, as well as to claim that those on the left refuse to consider other points of view. Their statements, in some cases, have merit. But they are equally guilty of it, as the comments in response to this article prove. Hypocrisy, it turns out, knows no ideology.
As a "BITTER TYPICAL WHITE PERSON CLINGING TO MY GUNS AND MY GOD!" (by the way my favorite Obama Presidential Quote!) I'm not so worried about what the Stalin did as what the current Socialist are propounding! Let look at a professor named Barbara Frey! In the JANSA-inspired official U.N. report-shamefully written by an American professor, Barbara Frey, director of the Human Rights Program in the College of Liberal Arts at the University
of Minnesota-argues:
"Self-defence is sometimes designated as a 'right: There is inadequate legal support for such an interpretation.... No international human right of self-defence is expressly set forth in the primary sources of international law: treaties, customary law or general principles....International law does not support an international legal obligation requiring States to permit access to a gun for
self-defence." In fact, under the United Nations' charter the report declares, "The right of self-defence in international law is not
directed toward the preservation of lives of individuals ... it is concerned with the preservation of the State:' Our Constitution is based on the Individual's right and not that of the State! But yet Obama and Clinton endorse this UN Interpretation of international law overriding our Constitution!!
Concerned with the lack of understanding of our Constitution! But of course you all went to Public Socialized Schools!
What a horribly biased - poorly written article. Lately that's all I've come to expect from the Sun. This story actually embarrasses me to say that the Sun in one of my local newspapers. Time for the Sun to set.
BTW - The Tea Party movement started in the 1700's at the actual Tea Party in Boston. I learned that in the 5th grade.
Conspiracy theorists are products of Human evolution, The ability to fabricate and convince ones self of hidden and imaginary dangers are what has enabled are species to survive this long Example, don't wander to far from the camp fire as a Monster will eat you. Well there really was a monster, 3000 years ago. There is not any more, but the gullibility our willingness to believe in imaginary demons "conspiracies" still exist in our minds. That is why this theory of taking our guns, death panels, Bush being a 9 11 conspirator and others like this take hold. People like Glen Beck are well aware of our propensity to believe in hidden, and illogical monsters for lack of a better term, and that is why they have this shtick. In reality the people that believe in this junk are not really morons. They simply cannot help themselves, its in there DNA. In fact it was their dominate DNA that enabled them and their families to survive, where others perished. It has made us who we are.
Tea Baggers, read the article title. Yes, there was a Tea Party movement pre American Revolution, but that movement was about freedom from tyranny and oppression, where-as yours ("...post-World War II...") is about fear of shadows and rumors, and rumors of shadows, and the freedom to kill living things. And just because you are all so white does not mean you are all racists, right?
ah...cpo, no. Fear rules the world on many levels, that is true. But that does not make it Real. It is our evolutionary job to teach our children, each other and ourselves Reason, not illogical fear.
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We are reminded yet again of the Left Wing bias of this "Newspaper". This whole story sounds like some Prgressive" wrote it. Just as Obama and the Democratic Congress just doesn't seem to get it after the people of Massachusetts spoke, the editors of the Las Vegas Sun has no clue what the Tea Party Movement is about. In fact, I think they have shown total ignorance on the subject. Many readers how pointed out the Sun's Liberal/Progressive bias over the years but if it's not totally obvious by this piece you will never, ever, get it. This is a new low for The Las Vegas Sun. Their total ignorance on the subject will be their demise. Next Tea Party starts in Search Light, Nevada on March 27! Las Vegas later that evening! www.teapartyexpress.org
So...I'm right. You are not all racists. Thanks.
The Tea Party movement, which I do no belong to is about wrestling control of America from the Centralized Federal Government. A government that has little or no interest in what happens outside of the Northeast, New York, Washington, Boston, and characterize the rest of America as, "Fly Over Country". Most Americans want the feds to follow the constitution, let the states govern it residents, insure our elected federal officials look out for us. Just wanting to be left alone is not a right wing view.
mar100,
Thanks, and well said. And what you describe is what ALL Americans want. So why does the modern Tea Party movement cling to their bibles and guns, and death panels, to prove this point?
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Wow, it took longer than I expected for the "racist" name-calling to start.
DessertSun, Sherman Frederick over at the RJ is your man. Right all the way, and fact-free unlike this article from Coolican.
mangoelvis, sorry I got up late. Welcome to the game-show. Todays winner gets to join the Nevada Tea Party Movement, for FREE!
Where was all this rage when Bush was centralizing federal power (NCLB, TSA/DHS, etc) and increasing entitlements (medicare part D)? Oh thats right, IOKIYAR (its OK if you're a republican).
If you really wanted to do something about big government why don't you start a movement to pass a constitutional amendment forcing publicly funded elections so big business cant fund their favorite candidates? Another one to ban lobbying by corporations and trade associations? If a CEO wants a law changed, let them come to capitol hill and see their representatives personally.
I don't think the Tea Party movement is smart enough to do that though. Even if there are some who would want to do that, their back-door funding from big republicans would preclude that.
You complain about higher taxes in the same breath as CEOs getting huge paydays and bonuses and the little guy getting the short end of the stick. So why not establish new tax brackets for over 1M, 5M, 10M dollars and put all that money towards the deficit?
The message I get from some of the teabagging posters above is, "both sides are bad, so vote Republican..." ::rolleyes::
Siromega,
Passion and facts, great combination, thanks.
IOKIYAR ... Oh God, another acronym to learn...:)
Celeritas
I never said it was real, its a built in survival mechanism. To those who don't realize it, to them it is very real.
Satan's greatest trick was convincing people that he did not exist. Tea Party people are not looking for Satan, just the A@@Holes that act in his benefit. It doesn't matter what goofy political party he/she belongs to. A lot of the "lefties" and "righties" that express opinions for others to see should really become informed before putting their stupidity out here for all to see. A lot of people using this blog come down hard on the writer which is understandable. However it is the editor that allows story's like this to be published. Do you suppose that the same line of consideration went into giving the LV Sun a Pulitzer as giving Obama a Nobel? Harry Reid disclosed his desires to see the LVRJ go bankrupt and they allow the Sun as a insert. How ironic that the Sun will go down first.
cpo, I think I understand your point, and I actually agree with you in the sense that we all live life with a seemingly knee-jerk fear (you would say survival) reaction to what we perceive outside ourselves as offering danger. You would say that that is built into our DNA, I would say some of it "may be," but that most of it is learned and relearned. But seldom do we unlearn fear. Politics, for example.
JanReb loves to live in the past, but very seldom do you hear anything relevant out of her on current events.
Liberals love to use vulgar names to call those who have a different political perspective then their own.
Liberals, like JanReb, are like a bunch of ostriches with their heads stuck in the sand looking into the past and ignoring whats going on around them today...
bgparks,
Satan appears to be alive and well, doing what he does best, expressing hate and fear through the mouths of those he cleverly separates from knowledge.
But I do wish Flip Wilson was still around.
Right or left, crazy is crazy! Anyone who thinks Bush had the WTC attacked, or anyone who believes Obama isn't American, should share time wearing those aluminum skull caps.
...and then, of course, the requisite "tea-bagger" slur. Anyone care to spout out the "Hitler/Nazi" reference to complete the trifecta??
This is kinda fun. Better than 2 hours of NFL hype.
" Gun sales have skyrocketed since Obama's election. In November 2008, FBI background checks for prospective gun buyers rose 41.6 percent compared with a year earlier, even though Democratic politicians have shown no interest in meaningful gun control in years and have blamed the issue for electoral losses in 1994 and 2000." says the writer of this crap. "meaningful gun control??!!!"
Check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv3p2lLmj...
LarryVegas is the pot that loves to call the kettle black.
Let's have a some critical thinking here...I have not read any facts in any of the above comments disputing the original article. Clarkr3000 and sgtrock comments sort of proves the premise of the piece. Powerplay says socialism is a failed policy(socialism is social system, not policy)...where? Capitalism appears to have failed for America, we are bankrupt and owe most to the Chinesse. Many that comment on these subjects from the Right appear to be characters straight from the movie "Idiocracy".
Buzzcut, your link: Lou Dobbs 'Obama is going to take your guns away, via E Holder.' -- Another completely nutty conspiracy you use to prove ... what?
Read the book "Shock Doctrine" and find out who really are the masters of our governments. WE REALLY ARE ALL ON THE SAME SIDE. LET'S ALL GET EDUCATED.
marks53, good book, yes.
And I completely agree with your premise. I believe the next paradyne in social evolution will come from massive awakening to knowledge and reasoning. It may not happen in my lifetime, but maybe in yours. Whenever, it'll be worth the effort.
Celeritas, Educate me, what are Obama's views on gun control. Where does he stand on the issues?
1-"Control of medicine is control of the people," ~ Lenin;
2-"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed," ~ US Constitution, 2nd Ammendment;
3-"Nevertheless in most advanced countries the following will be pretty generally acceptable; Heavy progressive or graduated Income Tax; Abolition of all right of inheritance; Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly; Centraliation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state," ~ "Communist Manifesto," by Kark Marx;
4-"Congress shall make no law.. ..or, abridging the freedom of speech, .." ~ US Constitution, 1st Ammendment.
These quotes seem to ring familiar? The present government is striving to instill, acomplish or abridge and limit in each area.
Granted it's obvious quotes 1 and 3 are being tried now. However some things the present leadership pushes affecting the rights in quotes 2 and 4 are bills requiring gun & ammo registration; plus an abundance of anti-gun advocates in the White House make folks very nervous. The administration and Congressional Democrats movement to have the FCC bar political talk from public airwaves is a serious concern.
I did note that the author called OBama a Socialist. What he left out, is that Socialism is the precursor to Communism.
The people are afraid of the slavery of the populace attendant in that type government. They view any movement toward Socialism as very, very dangerous. Very very dangerous creates paranoia in those who mute their fears from others and the frustrated people who believe their legislators are not listening.
One commentor pointed out that such political paranoia is oft repeated in social history. True. But, it's up to each to decide when to panic.
To criticize the public, another media and individuals in the caustic verbage this article has is, obviously, offensive to many.
I applaud those who've refrained from isults and degrading remarks.
I've studied the socialism/communism nightmare for over 50 years and I, too, am afraid of the present administration's course. I'm aplalled at the Senate health care bill's handling; I'm disgusted with the present Congress and White House extravigance. I'm extremely frustrated because my government doesn't hear our voices. Public gatherings are the only places we can get heard. The frustration's because the acts of our highanded politicians show they aren't listening.
To all concerned I would only say, God bless us, everyone; and, God bless America.
VernosB, for anyone to believe in what the Bush Administration gave the United States public as their explanation of who was behind 9/11, are believing in a conspiracy theory just like all the other stories we've heard. If you don't remember, then I'll remind you, there was never a federal investigation on the events that occured before, during, or after 9/11.
Buzzcut,He is against gun control. He, like me, just does not see you owning a tank or battleship as a "right."
On the issues...educate yourself.
Now it seems that people dont really understand how to use common sense when it comes to lots of things. Anyone that truly believes 9/11 was really a "terrorist" attack from a bunch of muslims that Bush/Cheney, CIA knew nothing about just doesnt use their common sense. Go look up PNAC(project for a new american century; a neocon repub think tank group with members that included just about every single person in the Bush administration) and read just the first few pages of "rebuilding americas defenses". In this paper they call for a "New Pearl Harbor" and to start 4 simultanious theatrical wars around the globe. This paper was originaly written around 1992 and Dick Cheney pressed very hard to get it passed of as our foriegn policy(for those that dont believe any of this please do yourself a favor and just look it up, the people that signed this paper are all high profile Bush admin people, and cheney after the election of 2000 had his name removed). So now some of you are saying that our government would never attack our own country, but wait, the CIA does not have a problem with that and the Bushes are the CIA. So now go look up "NORTHWOODS OPERATION". It was a CIA operation created in the early 60's and basically the operation called for hijacking american airliners and attacking american cities using these planes with american citizens on board and then blaming it on "Cuban Terrorists" in order to get the American people behind wanting to go to war with Cuba. That was just one of many scenarios in that operation. Now i will post the links below to all this i just said for those that just refuse to believe anything.
for the PNAC info:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/
http://www.newamericancentury.org/Rebuil...
For the "Northwoods Operation" info go here:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&...
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/200104...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_N...
We the People of this country really do need to wake up and realize that we have been taken over by a criminal organiztion that is using our great country to further their agenda. i understand a lot of you will refuse to believe this stuff and by the time you wake up it may be to late.
o and one last thing... Bush's Grandfather Prescott Bush was a business parten of Hitlers in WWII and actually got charged with treason and trading with the enemy. Hitler and his government did almost the same type of thing as 9/11 and they bombed the german parliamnet and blamed it on polish terrorists all to get the german public behind going to war. o and right after the attacks on the german parliament Hitler had something called the "enabling act" passed which is almost the EXACT same thing as our "Patriot Act" that Bush got passed after our "terrorist" attack. hmmmmm..... can some of you use your common sense????
For those who are connecting the current Tea Party movement to the events in Boston in 1773, may I remind you that most of the people involved that night were drunk. This might explain some current behavior, but I digress. Also, it had to do with the fact that the colonists had no vote on their taxation by Parliament. We have a vote. You may not think it is worth much, but we have it, and a lot of people died for us to get it--and to think otherwise is to denigrate their actions.
As to a centralized federal government, I would suggest that you read the 14th Amendment, which says that the states cannot take away our rights. Where do those rights come from? The Bill of Rights. Where did the Bill of Rights come from? These are a set of amendments that Congress passed and the states approved.
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People, People: Everybody take a deep breath!
Most of our problems can be attributed to our lack of economic and political power.
As Americans, we can change our economy, and our government. This may not be easy, but try to imagine the US as any other country. Most, if not all countries are unable have radical changes. Oh, you may point to RSA or other countries that have had radical changes in the last generation, but the US can improve.
This is a very trying time, but to call Obama a socialist is laughable!
He is a compromiser like all politicians.
Beware of pontificators like Beck. He Works for Rupert Murdoch (a foreign-born US citizen).
We as Americans need to realize that our government is an elective body.
The electorate has been pulled so far to the right, that the middle looks left by many.
Remember this: It is rich against poor!
The class war is over and the rich won.
It may be very hard for the average American to become middle class without rebuilding the building blocks of our economy. That is why there has to be some equity imposed on the rich and the super-rich. There is too much concentration of wealth, and that has to change. Even that socialist TR knew that.
Hey Gerry Eberwein, if Socialism is the precursor to Communism, then Communism is a precursor to dysfunctional Capitalism(how about the former Soviet empire).
Comments like that, MIKEGINO, reminds us all just how insane a human mind can be.
Gerry_Eberwein,
Allow me to reference one of your points..
"I've studied the socialism/communism nightmare for over 50 years and I, too, am afraid of the present administration's course."
Why? Because you believe this administration is taking us on a course to "socialism/communism" and that you fear socialism/communism?
Do you feel the same way about all the other social programs which have enjoyed over 50 years of success in this country so far?
Is there no room for this generation of Americans to make our country a better place upon which the next generation can stand and pull the lever to move the mountain to make things better too?
Are we to be the generation too afraid to step forward.
Our forefathers imbued us with a great spirit. Why must we loose it?
The strange coalition of the anti-war Dems and the Libertarian wing of the Repubs is what is going to effect change. Although they disagree about many things, things like anti-corporate capitalism and auditing the Fed have brought them together. It would be a mistake for any party to discount them in Nov.
J.Patrick Coolican;
CONGRATULATIONS!
You have penned an accurate portrayal of the right-wing Nut-making machine. Led by Rush & his merry band of hate-talkers on the Radio, & Fox "News" with Hannity/Beck/O'reilly et al on the T.V., the Nut-making machine is ever so clever in their insidiously evil propagandizing. Why do the Nuts tune in en-masse
to receive their NEOCON indoctrination? Because the Nut-making machine is astoundingly good at preying on their fears, however unfounded they may be; I mean, they have it down to a science! Look at the comments above; they PUPPET THE TALKING POINTS of the machine almost VERBATIM!
Yep, it's EASIER TO SELL FEAR & HATE than it is to sell hope & change. Especially for the Boogeyman that IS the Nut-making machine. As a child of the 60's & 70's, my favorite Nut-making machine slogan has always been "better dead than red."
"Evil thinks not to beguile us by unveiling the terrible truth of its festering intent, but comes, instead, disguised in the diaphanous robes of virtue, whispering sweet-sounding lies intended to seduce us into the dark bed of our eternal garves" - Terry Goodkind
Now, I gotta go watch football. SKOL VIKINGS.
Sounds like a big FOX must have bit the old Dogg on the rear end. He is howling like a coyote caught under a gate...
Go Vikings!
Funny thing happened on my way to the coffee pot this morning, while walking past the teevee Jessy Ventura zapped me with a mind control gun and made me forget it ever happened.
Thanks gmag39, that was a hellofalata fun to read!
CONGRATULATIONS! The gmager got it right when he says that "...it's EASIER TO SELL FEAR & HATE than it is to sell hope & change. Especially for the Boogeyman..." He must be talking about our President. There's no one better than Obama to get out there on the campaign trail and spread fear and envy.
I noticed that Obama is still saying that he inherited a mess and has not the time to deal with it because he is busy getting us all free healthcare.
Yep, American voters sure forced the presidency upon Obama...
Other than a lot of hot-button words like socialisism, communism, gun control, and so on and so on, not a single one of the ranters above gives any specifics or facts to back up their rhetoric.
Has any gun control been legislated? No. Have taxes gone up? No. Has Healthcare been taken over? No. You're all fussing about what-ifs and could happens.
And this so-called Tea Party movement, which is so concerned about our freedoms and the constitution. Where were you when the Patriot Act was passed? Under that sweeping legislation, which became law by the way, any one of you could have been picked up and sent to Gitmo by an angry neighbor who reported you as a terrorist because they didn't like the roses you planted too close to their yard. But then again you would have had to have read the Patriot Act. Here's a summary if you really care:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT...
What all of this boils down to is that the Tea Baggers (and appropriate name by the way if you know what the true slang meaning of that means) are angry because they've been told by opponents of the current administration that they're going to be taxed to the hilt, have their guns taken away and have to pay for illegal immigrants to have healthcare.
Now if you disagree with any of that, state some facts and post some legitimate evidence to support your argument. And let's see if you can do it without angry speech, hot-button words and name calling. I'll bet you can't. And honestly, if you can't logically and calmly prove what you're repeating, then maybe you ought to just be quiet.
Ok, enough said, gotta go call Ed.
LarryVegas, you just keep tuning into those voices, ya hear?!
In reference to the original article, watch the movie, "Prisoner On Second Avenue", 1973,(play in 1971), with Jack Lemmon. In one scene, he becomes parniod by listening to Right Wing radio. The rabid points from the radio are as identical as today's. Peace, Love and Harmony.
Lar,
You Sir, are a MASTER at the game. Are you employed, per-chance, by the Machine???
Rant shoulda said "grave", not "garve", sorry.
Celeritas; Jessie Ventura! Good one! I lived in Minnesota during the Ventura "administration".
Jessie, I will tell you, LOVES JESSIE.
Talk about paranoia, the pinhead propagandists that write for this rag need to see a shrink for theirs. In one week alone we have been treated to diatribes about Fox news, Rush Limbaugh and now the trifecta of Buckley, Goldwater and Beck (Gee, I thought Limbaugh was the new "leader"). The leftwingers just can't stand the message that is being put out, so they have to resort to smearing the messengers. Conservatives are nothing more then modern day John Birchers. This may come as a surprise to out of touch leftwing smear merchants like the ones who write for the LVSun, but there are alot of people out there like me. I am a registered Republican, I am not rich, was a union member for 18 yrs, I haven't listened to a Limbaugh Radio broadcast in over 20 yrs, total time I have seen Beck on tv couldn't amount to a couple of hrs altogether and I watch OReilly only occasionally just to catch his "talking points" and "pinhead and patriots" segment. I wouldn't have a problem voting for a Democrat if they didn't spend their time playing "us vs them" and trying to silence and smear people who disagreed with them politically. That is what I can't stand and that is what this article is attempting to do. Until the Democrat party cleans up it's slimey act you can expect moderates like me to not only ignore your candidates, but to actively fight against them.
RHG,
"Us Vs Them"
Hmm, you do have me thinking now, hmmm.
Oh, I get it:
Four legs good, two legs bad!
All interested individuals should study why J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI arrived at the conclusion in FBI memos that John Birch Society founder Robert Welch and the JBS were "extremist", "irrational", "irresponsible", "fanatics" and "lunatic fringe".
And then learn why giants within the conservative intellectual and political activist communities (such as Barry Goldwater, Russell Kirk, James Burnham, Frank Meyer, Ronald Reagan) rejected the JBS as inept, ignorant, and harmful.
FBI FILES ON JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY:
http://ernie1241.googlepages.com/jbs-1
Glenn Beck is a Neocon.
Please be awake and aware! I'm looking for your comments. Please respond.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZEnV_-R-...
Here's another.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwx6nwKRu...
mmmm... RHG, If you don't listen to these pariond right wingers, then how can you defend them against the leftwingers and the message they can't stand?
I remember last year. Wasn't congress and the President working in panick mode on a stimulus package and wasn't one reason O'bama was elected was to try and fix the Healthcare mess? (It's called elections and democracy). I don't remember much about "spending their time playing 'us vs them'and trying to silence and smear people who disagreed with them politically". I believe Mr. Limbaugh and Mr. Beck are masters at this, though. Again, this article highlights this paranoia and its points are well taken. Peace, Love and Harmony
P.S The RJ and modern day John Birchers, the tone might ring true. Forget the word "modern", though.
For most of these wacked out tea-bag huggers they are completely unaware that history has already slammed shut the lid on the garbage can called "Nevada Intelligence."
If Glenn Beck is a leader among the right then Michael Moore must be Czar of the Left. Give me a break.
And people on the left? Do you ever feel like a hypocrite, bigot or a dirtbag for making homophobic references to your political opponents? I mean really?
Coolican I always enjoy reading your editorials but, "Paranoia"? Really, paranoia? Maybe we aren't on the fast tract toward a totalitarian state, or even an authoritarian one, but the government is quite comfortable getting in bed with big business and big union. Our government also bans more things than ever before - smoking, trans fats, salts, sodas, sugar, fun.
Did you miss the trillion in bailouts? Did you miss the cut deals for special interest? How about the tax breaks for union health insurance plans?
So if the right is full of paranoia the left must be full of delusion - the party of change is simply Bush Corporatism 2.0
This article is what the far left is all about.
OBVIOUSLY, they feel they can't defend their own action(s) while in power, so they attack the publics.
Time was when the word "representative" meant something totally different that it means now.
BTW, way to go Barry. Your party totally screwed up on Healthcare "reform", so now you've set your sights on the economy huh ? Hmmmmmm - Wall Street has its worst week since March - maybe we should have kept the idiots working on their Healthcare 3 years longer.
Medicare is politically popular, but Reagan was right. It was an opening for socialized medicine. The U.S. government now pays for almost half of all medical expenditures in the U.S. today. The high expenditures of medical care is now one of the reasons why the left wants a complete take over.
I had almost forgotten about the "Birchers." They're back! if only for our shallow intellectual amusement. But instead of wearing out of date goofy sports coats and white shirts of yore, they're wearing funny looking stringed bags dangling from their ears. What hasn't changed is the empty heads between them.
& they open their mouth's and prove him corrrrrect!
When Chinese Jets made in China are flying over tea parties in a hundred years, it won't make any difference to us around now. But, it will make a difference to our descendents.
Our political leadership in Congress, certainly the Senate, has a good number of professional politicians who are old and entrenched and deeply out of touch with small business, the middle class, middle aged and younger generations.
Corporate America is running America, with it's stakeholders rather indifferent as long as the returns are reasonable. Corporate America has their chess pieces in Washington, and have done a good job of propping up Asia, which is not in and of itself a bad thing- but is a good thing, except when it happens at the expense of American jobs, families, life savings, education (many Nevadans won't get that one) and an equitable effective tax rate structure.
LVRJ, the Tea Parties are funded by two billionaire brother, some other very conservative power brokers, including the former CEO of the country's largest hospital conglomerate in Tennesse. Throw in the former Congressional hammer for Bush 41 from Texas, who recently appeared on Dancing with the Stars, and there you have a whole bunch of it, bagged and ready to sell.
For Nevadans concerned and appalled about sweetheart deals, which has become a tag for attempt to accommodate states with special circumstances on healthcare reform, please understand that Senator Reid was able to get approval for extra help for Nevada put in the legislation.
Nevada is about dead last in healthcare in a nation which is the richest in the world, pays as much as 40 percent more to a healthcare structure that covers less people than most of our allies, and ranks 34th in the world in some objective rating-stats, and by that I do not mean the Heritage Foundation.
Those who oppose "sweetheart deals" and "Chicago-style-backroom dealing" should have a better understanding how the CIA and Pentagon efficiently run their business to obtain successes. They should know more about NCO's in the Marine Corp, who get the job done!
The world is a give and take place, it will always be. If you want a perfect slice of pie, the pie will go bad before everyone agrees on a perfect cut.
Such a silly article. The Tea Party movement is a movement of libertarians and their anti-statist fellow travelers.
Its goal is to eliminate the tax predator ruling class, beginning with the current regime and all incumbents.
Eventually they will also get to the paid flaks and PR prostitutes in the media and academia. After taking more electoral offices from you we will move on to trials, exiles, incarcerations. Just be glad no one manufactures guillotines anymore.
Senator Reid lives across the street from me in the luxurious Ritz Carlton condominiums at 1155 23rd Street NW in DC, where a one bedroom cost $800,000, and where his neighbor Franklin Raines, the Clinton appointee to Fannie Mae who helped cause the mortgage crisis, lives in a $4 million condo. Reid goes to the plush Sports Club LA gym there, which cost $300 a month.
I have personally observed Reid treat the African American working class staff at the gym like trash, refusing to adhere to the check in procedures required of all members, and contemptuously ignoring them when they asked him to show ID.
The Obama regime plans to outlaw conspiracy theory discussion, so this article may be illegal soon:
A conspiracy to outlaw discussions of conspiring http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.vie...
When I saw this headline, I couldn't wait to get to the comments. Of course I was not disappointed. Once again...irony lost.
The Teabagging Neocons are definitely a fun group to watch...
Here's a picture of the founder of the teabaggers:
http://www.pensitoreview.com/Wordpress/w...
yah, that's a group I want to be associated with.... not.
Yeah, the Tea Party's paranoid....uh-huh.
You mean like when Barry told the public he wasn't doing the Healthcare "Reform" for himself but for them - in spite of 66% of the public thinking the whole mess sucked.
Or, do you think it was because we're tired of being lied to about "Hope and Change", a la "transparency".
Scott Brown is exactly the sort of hope and change we need . From a liberal drunk career politician to a statesman that openly says he is working for the people of his state...
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After reading the majority of these "rebuttals" to the article, all I can say is that y'all have made a very good argument for all he wrote.
you liberal idiots need to wake up. I could have written the exact opposite of this article, quoting the ridiculous crap that has come out of the left over the years. This writer is so obviously biased it srains the idea of fair and impartial. Hey Sun, let me write some of this kind of dribble. I will do it for free. To compare the Tea Party Movement to the JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY...give me a break. When your rag newspapers have gone the way of the Denver Post, we will not shed a tear. Just remember Mr. Coolicant, the LIBERAL, DEMOCRAT, HARRY REID is the one who said "I hope your paper goes out of business". Not a conservative.
One last item, I need to help Mr coolicant out. You forget your tag line:
This was a paid political-action-blog by a joint partnership of the National Democratic Committee and ACORN Inc.. All contributors are paid on a per-blog basis and any responsibility for factual accuracy, intended or unintended, is the sole responsibility of the individual paid ACORN or DNC blogger. All Rights Reserved, 2009, DNC / ACORN. Inc
Both parties are corrupt. When are you panty wastes going to wake up and realize this???
democrat party + republican party = pro wrestling
it's all fixed and no matter which party is "winning" at the moment, they're still spending our money.
God, you people are stupid.
I thinks the Needle does mean "panty wastes." That is something very close to him...
I also thinks Needle has loosed his goose...
With this so-called news article, the Las Vegas Sun has ceased to attempt to appear as an impartial news source. Probably the best use for the Sun would be toilet paper, but I am afraid you could only wipe with the left hand.
needleguy, right on, think big money had influence before, wait for this supreme court decision to take hold this fall. both parties stink, dems even voted against drug reimportation. dems have me as a liberal fooled no more, righties better rethink who you support so loudly as they only care about the money, no right to hate the wrong people.
Hank G would be ashamed of this story and the entire direction of the LVSun.
I am not loosing my goose...
Why do they hate your bags?????
bags fly freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!
Oompa Loompa, do-ba-dee-doo,
I've got a perfect puzzle for you.
Oompa Loompa, do-ba-dee-dee,
If you are wise you'll listen to me.
What do you get when you guzzle down sweets?
Eating as much as an elephant eats.
What are you at getting terribly fat?
What do you think will come of that?
I don't like the look of it
Oompa Loompa do-ba-dee-da,
Given good manners you will go far.
You will live in happiness too,
Like the oompa loompa do-ba-dee-doo.
Do-ba-dee-doo
Now if you don't believe in a welfare-state you are a right wing nut job. This article is a pathetic attempt at journalism.
proof of the biased liberal media. instead of reporting on the TONS of corrupt liberal politicians like the obama's handlers, the mayor of detroit, edwards and his lies about his baby while his wife had cancer, al gore's commercial benefit of global warming, etc. you chose to scare people.
but when conservatives report FACTS...it's called "hate", huh?
cute.
The Republican conservatives & Teaparty activists need to look no further than the USA government's 'war on drugs' to find a government bent on depriving citizens of liberties.
Need another example of our government's progress of eroding our constitutional freedoms? How about the war on terror? Searches at airports etc.
It appears the the Republican conservatives are those most responsible for the loss of American Freedoms.
-from a former Republican-
For a report on the Nations of the world and how their 'FREEDOM' Rankings, click here-
http://dailyreckoning.com/land-of-the-mo...
(notice the USA is slipped to #8 on the list behind Canada & other 'socialist' countries.
...all anyone needs to understand is what needleguy wrote..."Both parties are corrupt. When are you panty wastes (sp) going to wake up and realize this???...people, quit wasting your time rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic...
Too bad the "tea baggers" can't figure out who is bankrolling them. Of course now the ones who are bankrolling them just got the ability to buy elections. Unfortunately this mob is incredibly stupid, buys into the paranoia, and doesn't do any research through reputable sources.
The '56 story is true that's how Sarah Palin got to be Governor of Alaska and why Glen Beck makes those delusional crazy statements,he's nuts.
One thing that life has taught me...
never spell "panty waists" wrong....
:(
The media's arrogance is only overshadowed by it ignorance. If 85%-95% of journalists are registered voters of one political party, whose version of the truth do you think you will see?
J.P. Coolican considers this journalism and the Sun considers it worthy of the online edition. Should have been left on the cutting room floor fellas. This "paper" is more frightening than Obama and Beck rolled into one.
Both are parties are quite corrupt but please do not forget the incredibly shady past of Barrack Obama. I'm not talking about his pot smoking either.
I wasn't a Bush fan either. I believe that politicians are corrupt turds that have taken too much control and power away from the American people by spewing out "greater good" garbage.
Please remember that politicians are only human and they are quite susceptible to corruption. Don't put your trust in the hands of the politicians, trust and believe in America and in the power of the individual. That is what made America great, not the government.
Excellent write-up on the right wing nutbags.
Now, can we bring back the Fairness Doctrine?
don't most of you realize the rich and powerful are pitting us against one another.
Communism is a system where through education, diet, exercise, mental conditioning, music, drugs and force where necessary, there would be no greed, lust, or envy. Nothing is forbidden and all persons would enjoy a heavenly lifestyle. Thus there would be no need for Hell. The past Communism used force and fear to control the daily lives of their people. The present day communism does the nearly same (look to China and N Korea).
The capitalism in Russia is damaged by the presence of the Communist Party rule because it is desparately trying to resurrect the old method.
The two party system sucks. Hamilton said so, just not in that term. There are a lot of folks that agree with that statement. They are the Independent voters, who some mistakenly call a party. In most cases there is no independent party, just a non-united voting group. The present day T-Party began as a semi-political social event on April 15 where several thousand people across America met to protest higher taxes. From there it spawned into a huge movement to protest the path toward excessive taxes, regulation and government intrusion into our daily lives.
Look closely at the not revealed parts of all health care and cap-and-trade bills; and whats contained in the midnight ammendmdnts. Here's an example - C&T has one where it will be illegal to use incandescant light bulbs anywhere. (Did you know all CFL bulbs are made in China) Health Care mandates the use of Electronic Health Records by all doctors. And, during a house committee discussion (carried on CSPAN) proposed mandating diets and a daily regimin of physical exercise.
Facism is a rule by terror. Germany was facist, Russia was Facist, China is. In the 1940's Stalin said Germany is the epitome of Socialism.
I do agree that Beck is a bit excited on his program. And, he'd make a hell of a good revialist preacher, were this the late 1800's. But he, like Limbaugh and others, do make some good points. Why do you think the Left is doing so much, through proposed bills, to get the FCC to shut them up.
Now Reid's vote buying deal with Bernake. Reid is a major part of the problem. Nevada, Become heroes on election day; or don't you want him back in Nevada?
Wow major astroturfing going on from the teabag sector of the universe.
I think it was an outstanding article. The comments seem to confirm the most salient points - there is a ferocious authoritarian streak running through the whole movement. It brooks NO dissent either. If you even question their "pure" "authentic" "real American" motives then you are The Enemy. Big time.
Again, 80 percent of the "You evil leftist hack!!!" comments just confirm that you are right. This is not new, it just has a new name.
Wolverines!!1!
My gawd! Count the 'comments removed by staff' on this one...Censorship/ propaganda and Harry Reid's political arm - are NOW the pillars of the LVS.
Celeritas, I provide a clip stating facts about obama and gun control and you don't like it. So I ask you what you think obama's views are on gun control and this is your response. 'Buzzcut,He is against gun control. He, like me, just does not see you owning a tank or battleship as a "right."
On the issues...educate yourself.'
Obviosly, Celeritas, you have no facts to support your views. You offer nothing more than the opinion of a koolaid drinking obama brown nosing idiot.
After reading the article, I get the impression that The Las Vegas Sun reporter Patrick Coolican is paranoid, instead of the other way around. What do you think? In my opinion, Coolican has wheeled out all of the old shibboleths of the Left.
No wonder The Las Vegas SUN is humorously nicknamed "Pravda Nevada."
Pattrick Coolican is looking to be promoted to "Editor in
Chief" of the Las Vegas SUN.
Hint: Brian Greenspun, the publisher of The Las Vegas Sun is a Member of the Board of Trustees of the elitist, Washington-based Brookings Institution.
The Heading should read:
The LV SUN's (old) paranoia...
Coolican pretends that the left has new arguments but only proves that name calling and straw man arguments continue to be the liberal tactic.
The LV SUN should have printed this piece of work using the color "YELLOW."
SgtRock, i've got news for you. I'm not Democrat, and I also believe Bush may have known about 9/11. The government certainly played a part in it. I don't believe that idiot Bush could "mastermind" flushing a toilet much less stage a false flag event, so that is a stretch.
Most educated people in Europe also believe that the US Government was behind 9/11. Go figure. Keep in mind that "stupid people" in Europe are basically on par with an average American. Sucks to say, but if you're spent time here, its obvious.
Show me the facts that the average American believes that the U.S. Government was behind 9/11.
What does "Most educated people in Europe" mean?
I thought that just about all the people in Europe are educated, just like the U.S.
What I think you mean is that "If one is educated, then they must believe in the 9/11 conspiracy theory."
So the rest of us who don't buy into the 9/11 conspiracy theory must be uneducated...
Appears to be the typical Liberal rant on the uneducated masses being inferior to the elitist Liberals.
I did not know you could get that much crap out of a goose...
This author forgot to mention Paranoia of the Left:
Recently Top Obama Czar Cass Sunstein
Proposed Infiltrating all 'Conspiracy Theorists'
From a recent news report, it appears Obama CZAR Cass Sunstein, supports infiltrating and spying on Americans, their groups and organizations to obstruct Free Speech, disrupt the exchange of ideas and disseminate false information to neutralize Americans that might question government. See http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=121884
Obama's CZAR's proposal appears to duplicate Dem. Rep. Jane Harman's "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act" HR 1955, introduced 2007 that stressed disrupting political and other groups without evidence of wrongdoing. Interestingly Obama refused to take a position on this bill.
Rep. Harman's "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act" was not written exactly like the Nazi 1933 Discriminatory Decrees that suspended the Reich Constitution, but could bring America to the same place by trashing America's civil liberties. The "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act" when closely examined, defined "homegrown terrorism" as "any planned act" that might use force to coerce the U.S. Government or its people to promote or accomplish a "political or social objective." No actual force need occur. Government need only charge that an individual or group "Thought" about doing it. This bill was passed by the House but later died in a Senate Committee after Americans became angry upon learning about it.
left against right is exactly what the people pulling the strings want. divide and conquer... why cant all of you see that and realize that. this is a war against the middle class and poor by the elitist. we must stick together and find a common ground where we can all help fight against the rich and powerful. how about we decide that were sick of only a few people having most of the wealth in this country and we do something about it by electing people in all districts that want to take away all that wealth and redistribute all that wealth to all the hard working citizens in this counrty that really made that wealth. all this infighting among HUMAN BEINGS is a bunch of useless nonsense. we must realize who the real enemy is and its not any of us, its those rich and powerful people behind big biz
Great article, and posts made here confirms the points made. For people who think that the teabagger movement is comprised of Libertarians, guess again. Noecons and all all shades of Republicans ahve also taken up your banner and once their objectives of wresting control of Congress from the Dems has been accomplished they'll drop the teabaggers like second-choice prom dates.
Another biased article written by a "wee-wee'd" up progressive.
Incognito,
I agree with a small part of what you are saying. The real enemy is not the rich, the real enemy are the politicians. Just is not taking from those that have, that is just taking. If I don't have a car and you have two, it doesn't make it right that I take one from you because I didn't have. We need an economy that encourages investments from the rich. Those investments provide jobs for everyone and society as a hole is lifted. The lies of Marxism only lead to dictatorship because of the character flaws of man. The US has been a country of wealth because of our free market system but government intervention is pushing us away from that. Look at the corruption that goes on at the governmental level. Obama proposes, punish the banks for borrowing government money when Fannie and Freddie Mac continue to borrow billions with no consequence. GM and Chrysler also got a pass which is odd because democrats get millions in campaign financing from the unions.
Less government in the economy the better. We need money to circulate in the economy and the only way to do that is to have stability in the market with investor putting money in.
Wow, I thought it was a great article- informative of history, written from a sociologic perspective.
Apparently, most of you didn't get that part....
jr99 - i appreciate your ability to have a conversation without attacking. it's refreshing to see that. If we could all be able to come together and put our ideas out there to come up with a master plan that would be great. but to do that we need to not allow ourselves to get upset when someone has a different opinion(were all guilty of that, i know i have been) but instead brace fresh and inovative ideas. i for one would like to see large groups of middle class and poor individuals that are properly educated come together and start some corporations. With these corporations i would like to see all the profits, after re-investment, to be evenly split among all workers no matter if your the CEO or the janitor. The bonuses would be paid based off of hours put in to the collective corporation. What do you all think of something like that? i know i didnt go into any details but just a basic concept that we as a society could try to adopt to be able to compete with the current corporate structure. please everyone let me know how that sounds, thanx
^ *inovative should be innovative... sorry just dont really spell check myself before posting.
everyone please go read this article to better understand this infighting of repub vs dems and how bad it is. like i said before the people in power, the rich elite are trying to divide the people of this nation in order to conquer this nation. we must identify these treasonous individuals that have already infiltrated our government before it is to late, and to do so we must ALL WORK TOGETHER....
http://www.infowars.com/conservative-vs-...
Don't worry about this stuff. The Supreme Court just ruled the rich can pump billions more into electing their candidates. If your rich the future looks very good. If your middle class or lower income, its over; maybe a reeducation camp in Alaska would be a welcomed vacation in a few years. Say goodbye to the America you want, need, deserve and love, it will soon only belong to the rich.
LOL, remember when they used call us "Whiny Left-Wing Liberals", who is whinying now. Good article! Give em' hell Harry! I'll vote for you!
Sergio - funny ive never been called a conservative, 99% of the time i get called a liberal and you know what, i could care less what you or anyone else call me. some things im very liberal on and some things im conservative on. if you havent noticed the whole point of my last post was to get people to realize how stupid it is to divide the people into groups like conservatives and liberals. you obviously dont get it. i read stories from all kinds of sites, liberal, conservative, it doesnt matter, what does matter is whats going on in this country. can you point out one time that i have said anything about defending "isreal"???? everything im ointing out and talking about is about AMERICA and the better good, ok???
Tea (Taxed Enough Already) Party....
Who can argue with that assessment?
If you disagree with taxed enough already, then by all means, after you pay your taxes this year...please voluntarily pay more.
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jenlv...
You're right! Isn't that IRONIC?
The Nuts are arguing facts already in evidence!
Politics is business. The job of both sides is to polarize enough people - to the left or the right - to keep themselves properly paid.
The minute you spend thinking anyone in politics is out for anything other than their own personal enrichment (via amassing money, power or both) is a minute of your life wasted that you'll never get back.
Spend that minute figuring out how to enrich your own life. Palin/Obama, etc. etc. - their great grand children's futures are secured. Is your own life even secured, or are you living paycheck to paycheck? These are the questions politicians do not want you wasting your time considering with depth. They'd rather you spent your time conspiracy theorizing.
That is all.
"But the greatest menace to our civilization today is the conflict between giant organized systems of self-righteousness -- each system only too delighted to find that the other is wicked -- each only too glad that the sins give it the pretext for still deeper hatred and animosity" written by Herbert Butterfield in the 50's.
The politicians would love to divide us up and channel our thinking along their artificial party lines.
How many of you think that your elected representatives are really representing you as one of the free citizens of the US?
How many think they do their best to represent whoever lines their pockets?
Vote against the incumbent in all races. Democrat or Republican. That is the only way to get the attention of these crooks.
Fear of losing their cushy padded seat will help set the nation on the right track.
Sergio my Prophet...
By chance have you had a vision of my wife leaving me?
Let me know if you do, and I will get her suitcases down for her...
Blessed be the Prophet...
BUZZCUT said: "...I provide a clip stating facts about obama and gun control..."
You provided a clip of Lou Dobbs bloviating about same.
Try this:
http://factcheck.org/archives/search-res...
...there you will find a long list of "facts" that debunk "Obama is taking your guns away" paranoia via such sources as the NRA, Lou Dobbs and, well, persons of interest like you. Where have you been, Buzzcut, this is really old old stuff, 2008 Obama paranoia old.
BUZZCUT said: "...Celeritas...a koolaid drinking obama brown nosing idiot."
Like I said, Buzzcut, educate yourself. Its not my job.
Maybe Lou Dobbs as your source for "facts" says it all, Buzzcut. Well, actually, it does.
How bout giving up a fact of your own: How many guns have you had to give up to Obama? or, how many times have you been turned down to own a gun since Obama took office?
Wow!! Really upsetting to see Beck in a photo with Goldwater and Buckley. Beck is a racist ignoramus ,demagogue, rabble rouser. Goldwater and Buckley wre and are the heart of the intellectually based conservative movement. Beck can't spell intollepctual.
If you get into this site early enough you get to see those coments before they were removed by the staff. The ones I saw were removed because they contained personal attacks or religious belief attacks.
By the way I thought the article had a good sociologic view, from the Progressive side of things.
Sergio had the right perspective on the "Tea Partiers" as it was when the movement first started and during the summer break. Then the Tea Party Express began rolling and the focus changed somewhat.
In the spirit of the beginning of the Tea Party groups I often say to Progressive politicians, "Remember Boston Harbor," and watch their eyes look around as they try to avoid my gaze.
The Independent Voters (no party affiliation) are rapidly becoming a political force. Senator Brown got more votes than there are Republicans. In fact there are more Independents in MA than Dems and Repubs COMBINED. In many other states they are in or near being the 2nd largest voting group. That's because they are upset with the way business is done in DC and elsewhere. The blantant vote buying by Reid on the Health Care fiasco is one of those things that really makes them mad.
The arrogance of the big three, OBama, Reid and Pelosi in their efforts to run through their agenda and to hell with what the people want. Those (and their minions) are the true targets of my, "Remember Boston Harbor," remark.
The four main reasons for our rebellion against England are becoming true today. And, we will rebel again; not with bullets, rather with ballots.
Throw the bums out and keep the good ones in.
Gerry_Eberwein,
"The Independent Voters (no party affiliation) are rapidly becoming a political force."
Yes, AND your post is far too complex for 70% of the voting population to comprehend, much less decide if they agree with it or not, regardless of party affiliation. Scott Brown winning in Mass (which went Independent a long time ago), for example.
The Dems need to understand what the Repub's figured out a long time ago... Ours is now a culture of Internet and cell phone users. If you want to get and hold the attention of a large segment of that population you must remember and obey one very important rule: "Don't make me have to think, just show me where to click."
Just substitute the word "vote" for the word "click," add Sarah Palin's wink and Glenn Beck's tears and you have a winning political strategy.
Incognito, Your idea is nice but not practical. The biggest problem is trying to get the capital and then the next problem is deciding who get to be in charge of the company. You can have a board but all you are doing is mimicking a publicly traded company. Over all, we need to realize that business is good and has made America great. Additionally it is hypocritical of politicians that demonize big business and then bail them out. In a free market, those badly run institutions would fall apart and the good assets would be bought up by smaller businesses in position to grow. The market takes care of itself and all Washington does is props up the dead horses in order to gain something. In the AIG case, senate retirement was tied into it and it made for a great whipping boy as the government pretended to be heroes of the market place. The only ones they don't publicize are the ones they controlled like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
Middle class and the poor can speak through the companies they use and the markets they create. In addition, people can invest in companies they believe in. America is great! We just need to remember how great it is.
We need to stop focusing on obscene profits when the problem is obscene unemployment. We can't let government take the focus off the problem when bad policy brought us here by protecting large businesses under the name "too big to fail".
Sergio; Next time someone calls me a idiot, or dumb Mexican, I am going to tell them, hey think I am whacked check out this caron, Sergio the prophet !
Wow!! Alfy is really upset to see Glenn Beck in a photo with Goldwater and Buckley. He thinks Glenn Beck is a racist ignoramus ,demagogue, and a rabble rouser.
If Alfy does not want to watch Glenn Beck's show he can go back to watching "Sponge Bob Square Pants."
If the Tea Party Tea Baggers were truly about individual liberties they wouldn't be demanding candidates take "Purity" tests to receive their good house keeping seal of approval...
dipsticker...
Why don't you tell us who is "bankrolling" the Tea Parties..
Don't tell me that it's the SEIU...
How about the teachers unin?
Please inform us giving the amounts...
Dipstick,
Your right, business funded my tea party effort and paid for my sign. All I had to do for them was clock in at 8am, work and then clock out at 5pm then these crooks paid me on Friday and I took $2 and bought a piece of paper and a marker that was create by people at another evil company that forces people to work. Then I took that sign to sunset park and rallied with the crazy teabaggers that set fire to cars and splashed paint on fur coats (the car and the coat didn't actually happen). I was so mad because I was driving in a car that came from another evil company. I'm pretty sure they forced me to buy their products and then I think they did some card check thing that forces me to shop there only (There was no card check).
I followed the money trail and I came the conclusion that those stupid businesses must be forcing the hand of teabaggers.
They are starting to eat their own. J D Hayworth for Senate supporters in AZ will protest Palin's visit supporting John McCain.
The local-loco tea-party talk shows are about as insane as Beck ET AL.
mr ed appears to have been eating that loco weed that his likes so well.
Hey mr ed, change your station dial to Air America...
Bankrolling Tea Parties ?
What sort of paranoia makes you think they get paid for speaking up for their point of view ?
Oh wait, I understand....That's they way you do things, so you'd expect the same of people that don't have your point of view !
I feel like an idiot but I have no idea who or what the tea party coalition is.
Are they an organized political action committee?
I've seen the term but have no idea what it actually means.
Unin? We don't need no stinkin' unins!!!!
Unins are unions without the "o" for Obama.
Obama has taken so much money from the unions that they cant even afford the "o" anymore...
People like Sergio, give us right leaning persons a slight shove to the left. Sergio, when you die I hope for your sake God doesn't turn out to be Hispanic.
Celeritas, here are some facts for you since you still can't come up with anything other than the opinion of a koolaid drinking obama brown noser.
B.O. Illinois Senate, H.B. 2579, 5/16/03 voted in favor of limiting hand gun purchase to one in a month for law obiding citizens.
B.O voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.
Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26.
B.O. on the board of the Joyce Foundation for 8 years.
B.O. voted against this law too S.397
Title: A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others.
Good work there Buzzcut...
The only way to understand Obama is to go back and look at his record and those who he associated with.
REAL SCARY...
Thanks LarryVegas. The facts speak for themselves. What is real scary is how people allow themselves to be told by somone else what is real, instead of looking at the data. I guess there is no entertainment in reading facts, it can be boring. When I see something interesting from an outside entertainment source, I research it. Both sides embelish to cater to their listeners and in the end it only divides us more.
Coolican has not asked me if I fit. I think there are lots of us who don't fit his illusions of "post ww2 paranoid right" Some of us who have been among the left, yea to its fathest fringes, have seen as much of general paranoia, one world gov't paranoia, government distrust, and more than a hint of willingness to get violent out on that left fringe as anywhere. Some of us know their form of coded language quite well. I am aware of some interesting conspiracies and popular dillusions that are very well accepted there. Reptilian aliens have invaded our leaders is not a right wing position as far as I can tell. I heard all about it on the left, some unionists even subscribe. And those internment camps as well!
Coolican should learn interviewing and a bit of statistics and demographics as they apply to very large groups of diverse people. Or he can stay the same no clue "journalist" he pretends is worth paying attention to.
He should also know that any amorphous group will collect not only those with good values and no place to affiliate them, but will also collect those without good values looking for a place to infest. The commies did it to the nacent Green Party (saw it first hand), the nazi Skins do it regularly in anarchist and protester venues on the left (see it regularly)
Perhaps Coolican forgot that in an open society we can't be quite so proactive of our affiliations, leaving the weeding and "disavowing" until it comes up.
The Tea Party did not administer a litmus test to me, rather welcomed my diversity. And I'll just mention my last straw when the anti-war guy asked me why I was talking to "those people" refering to those across the street where I spent a pleasant hour in conversation discussing our commonalities. I crossed the street, Collican. So have others. Its not just the same old right wing paranoia. Its a new day, and the biggest tent since we gained our independence the first time!
Sergio - most of the time i get called a liberal(which i dont like putting a label on myself as i have many different opinions on many different subjects) but i would have to agree with most of what you said. I remember when Bush got elected, i was telling everyone that would listen to me that something really bad is going to happen in this country because of Bush. I had read all the "project for a new american century" papers(right wing think tank with just about every member of Bush's cabinet) which in the paper, "rebuilding americas defenses", they had called for a new "pearl harbor" to justify taking our country into multiple wars around the globe. Then 9/11 happened and all i could think was, wow, i told you so to everyone. I just really wish that the people would really do their research on all these people that we are putting into office, especially high office. The CIA over threw this government with the assassination of JFK and since then we have been screwed over time and again. The Bush family is the single biggest criminal family in this country and i wish that someday the people will realize this and demand prosection for those traitors. but nowadays in this country the right thing is now the wrong thing and what we know is wrong is now the right thing.
For the love of GOD...
Have you people lost your minds completely?
Larry Larry, very scary....Yoooo Betcha!
sergio, you are certifiable.
Don't forget to turn yer T.V.'s on, kids! 6pm.
sergio - i've been trying to tell everyone this same stuff for years and years. i've had people try to physically fight me cause they refused to believe any of this. man i wish people would realize whats going on. when the WT7 came crashing down people should of demanded answers but the problem with that is not very many people even know or knew that the WT7 came down that day. People wont even believe me when i tell them that fact. Them i try telling people about the nano-thermite and how the buildings were imploded but yet they dont believe me. go look at videos on you tube with the firefighters and police that were actually there on that day and they all talk about multiple explosions. go dig into the leasing contracts for the buildings and then look at the vids and see which floors clearly show the windows blowing out. you'll see the floors in question had been shut down in the weeks prior for "renovation" and that the company in charge for security was heavily tied into the bush fam... there is so much evidence i could go on and on for days and weeks about this but nothing will ever be done to change anything until the people wake up and elect a non CIA operative to the white house. Ron Paul at this point seems to be the only real true patriot we have left in government that would shut down the CIA, the fed and put the people responsible for all this behind bars. what a shame this country has become.
sergio - totally agree. it makes me so sick how people are so blinded or just refuse to learn the truth. honestly they dont deserve freedom since they refuse. Just heard some nice news out of Rome...
International arrest warrants have been requested for George W. Bush, Richard (Dick) Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, George Tenet, Condoleeza Rice and Alberto Gonzales at the International Criminal Court, The Hague, Netherlands.
http://www.infowars.com/war-criminals-ar...
hopefully this is true and they actually follow through on this.
What is the connection between people who have high IQs or who are very talented or creative and depression or other mental disorders?
Answer
IQ doesn't have anything to do with the way someone thinks. But a high IQ combined with wrong thinking leads to extra creative wrong thinking.
Also, people suffering from narcissistic disorders tend to exaggerate their intelligence.
IncognitoRebel posts that Professor of Law Francis A. Boyle of the University of Illinois College of Law in Champain, United States of America, has issued a Complaint with the Prosecutor for the International Criminal Court against several members of the Bush Administration.
Who is Professor Boyle?
Professor Boyle served as Legal Advisor to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace Negotiations.
Professor Boyle is Attorney of Record for the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria,
Professor Boyle serves as counsel to Bosnia and Herzegovina and to the Provisional Government of the State of Palestine.
Boyle has urged Iran to sue the United States in the International Court of Justice in The Hague in order to discourage a military attack on Iran's nuclear facilities and prevent the imposition of new sanctions by the U.N. Security Council.
A real American this Boyle guy...
At least Professor Boyle never stood before us, lied about there being WMD and then invaded a country that had nothing to do with 9/11.
:)
Well its nice to see the sun doesn't discriminate, and allows clearly mentally ill individuals to post on here. Sergio, its time to turn the lights out, till tomorrow.
Hey Needle, do you have a picture of George Bush on the ceiling above your bed? You seem infatuated with the guy...
Oh no, don't tell me it's a picture of Harry...
Larry this boyle guy is more of a patriot then you could ever be. Part of being a Patriotic American is to speak up about misdeeds by the government and according to President Lincoln that is the most patriotic thing you could do. So you sir are the most unamerican as they come. You and your family should be completly ashamed of you, for you are simply a COWARD. Do you know anything about the BUSH family??? Do you know about Prescott Bush and his ties to the rise of Hitler??? Do you know anything at all??? Instead of actually educating yourself about real things in history, all you do is try to make fun of people. Your nothing. you have no real ideas or any real knowledge of history. you think you know it all and refuse to learn anything new... i got news for you, NOBODY knows it all and you must constantly educate yourself throughout your life. man i hope for humanities sake that you never produced offspring... but then again if you did as soon as they got to the age where they can think for themselves they would be able to see through your crap and realize that you are NOTHING!
Professor Boyle is just a liberal opportunist and defends terrorists and their sponsors.
Of course Boyle is employed as a professor at a Liberal university in Illinois.
Did Boyle attend tea parties with Barry and Bill Ayers?
One thing about Boyle, on Jan 21, 2010 during an interview he said the Obama administration is doing the same thing. It is a little lengthy but interesting.
" "Also, most regretfully, the new Obama administration has publicly stated that it will continue the Accused's policy and practice of "extraordinary rendition," which is really their euphemism for enforced disappearances of human beings and consequent torture by other States. Hence the Highest Level Officials of the Obama administration fully intend to commit their own Crimes against Humanity under the I.C.C. Rome Statute -- unless you stop them! Your opening an investigation of my Complaint will undoubtedly deter the Obama administration from engaging in any more "extraordinary renditions" -- enforced disappearances of human beings and having them tortured by other States. Indeed your opening of an investigation into my Complaint might encourage the Obama administration to terminate its criminal "extraordinary rendition" program immediately and thoroughly by means of issuing a public statement to that effect. In other words, your opening an investigation of my Complaint could very well save the lives of a large number of additional human beings who otherwise will be subjected by the Obama administration to the Rome Statute Crimes against Humanity of enforced disappearances of persons and their consequent torture by other States, inter alia. The lives and well-being of countless human beings are now at risk, hanging in the balance, waiting for you to act promptly, effectively, and immediately to save them from becoming Victims of Rome Statute Crimes against Humanity perpetrated by the Highest Level Officials of the Obama administration as successors-in-law to the Accused by opening an investigation of my Complaint. Otherwise, I shall be forced to file with you and the I.C.C. a follow-up Complaint against the Highest Level Officials of the Obama administration. I certainly hope it will not come to that. Please make it so. Finally, for reasons more fully explained in the Conclusion to my Complaint, I respectfully request that you obtain I.C.C. arrest warrants for the Accused in accordance with Rome Statute articles 58(1)(a), article 58(1)(b)(i), article 58(1)(b)(ii), and article 58(1)(b)(iii). The sooner, the better for all humankind". "
So Larry your claims of this Boyle guy being a "liberal oppurtunist" just got blown out of the water cause not only is he going after the repubs, he is threatening to go after the dems in office as well. so larry please do yourself a favor and wake up to the facts. or maybe you really are just that stupid???
there's a website out there that actually has been keeping track of all the people with any ties with the Bushes that have been found dead(alomst all died from "suicide"). The list is in the hundreds! it's really ashame how these people get away with murdering citizens. They are just like Hitler except not as obvious or just like Russia or USSR... If you speak out against them you will be killed, end of story.
The IncoherentRebel is a conspiracy theory type Liberal who believes that behind every event there is a conspiracy. He lives in a scary world walking backwards making sure nobody is following him.
Give the Rebel a little time and he will come up with some kind of conspiracy about Haiti's earthquake. I bet he can some how conclude that the earthquake was George Bush's fault...
im sorry larry that you believe everything thats ever told to you. you probably still believe santa clause comes down your chimney every christmas and that the tooth fairy visits every child that loses a tooth. i know for a fact that if we were to actually sit down and discuss just about anything that i would tear you apart. you have no facts and for that matter no brain at all. you can call me a liberal just because you've been taught to call anybody that actually thinks for themselves a liberal. morons like yourself are why this country is screwed up. you never were taught any sort of critical thinking and so therefore continue to resort to 2nd grade antics by just trying to call me names. your a very small minded dimwit with no life. your a complete joke.
Thanks for the compliment there IncoherentRebel. It's not everyday that an elitist such as yourself has to refute someone so lowly as myself.
I find it a lot easier to believe in Santa Clause or the Tooth Fairy then some of the conspiracy theories that you try to pass as fact...
larry now i know your just a retard. actually thats kinda insulting to the mentally challenged. and you know what i really wish i was an elitist cause then i would actually have the financial means neccessary to wake up the people and show them whats really going on. seriously have you never read anything about propaganda or anything to do with that??? go research what nazi germanys ministry of propaganda did and how the US gov does a lot of the same crap. it must really suck to walk around blind all your life like yourself.
I used to believe that there were a lot of government conspiracies but then I saw and heard the house and senate members (especially Barney Frank and Joe Biden) and realized that they were way to dumb to do anything like that.
However, I do not trust the chief of staff. He really seems to know what he is doing and he has had people in every closed door meeting in Washington. Keep your eyes on that little guy.
The IncoherentRebel writes that I am a retard and I walk around blind all of my life. Sounds fine to me as long as he does not call me a Liberal...
Lar, I'd dispute the retard comment; but mentally ill... Nah, kidding!
Too much name calling!
Like you sharing your weird predilection for pink panties... TOO MUCH INFORMATION!
Wow, this Coolican guy must have the biggest Rolodex in the world! How on earth did he convince so many people to post comments here that make them sound like right-wing wackaloons?
These comments appear to verify everything he said in his article; I can't believe that "real" right-wingers could be so easily fooled into making his points for him. If they could, you'd have right-wing media figures telling lies to their audiences every day, just to advance corporate interests. And what kind of idiots would fall for something like that?
Nice try, Coolican, but the comments from your fake right-wingers are simply too clueless and ahistorical to be real. Sock puppets rule!