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Hundreds participate in the “Tea Party Express” rally Monday at the Las Vegas Sports Center. The Tea Party Express is organizing rallies in several cities to voice its opposition to the policies of President Barack Obama, Sen. Harry Reid and other leaders.
Monday, Aug. 31, 2009 | 3:15 p.m.
Sun coverage
Two busloads of conservative activists rolled into Las Vegas today with two things on their mind: halting proposed health care legislation and ousting Nevada Sen. Harry Reid.
The Tea Party Express, an outgrowth of the modern-day TEA (Taxed Enough Already) parties held around the country on April 15, is on a 34-stop tour that spans from coast-to-coast, holding rallies to decry what organizers call out-of-control government spending and to encourage conservative voters to begin organizing for 2010 elections.
The caravan today stopped at the Sports Center of Las Vegas, on Sunset Road east of Las Vegas Boulevard, where several hundred supporters gathered in the parking lot.
During five stops in Nevada -- which ties with Texas for the state with the most stops on the tour -- Tea Party Express organizers also focused their attacks on Reid, the powerful Senate majority leader who supports the “public option,” a health care reform proposal that would, in part, provide government-funded health insurance to an estimated 47 million uninsured Americans.
Rally speakers decried Reid’s support of the legislation, which they say will come with tax increases, and called on Reid to apologize for a recent comment that Tea Party attendees are “evil mongers.” Organizers said efforts to portray the rallies as gatherings of angry, disaffected mobs are inaccurate and nothing more than attempts to dismiss the concerns the rallies raise.
“I see one big, national town hall meeting,” said Mark Williams, a conservative talk radio host from California who is on the tour. “And you know what? Washington is scared.”
In a statement, Reid spokesman Jon Summers said the “evil mongers” quote was taken out of context.
“That comment referenced people who have been using hate speech and signs, not people who are simply expressing their opinions,” Summers said.
The Tea Party Express also gave face time to four Reid challengers: Former Nevada Assemblywoman Sharron Angle, businessman Danny Tarkanian and former Marine and Nevada Test Site employee Bill Parson, all Republican challengers; and Henderson resident Edward Hamilton, who had declared his candidacy for Reid’s seat as a Republican, but announced at the rally that he planned to file instead as a Democrat to give Reid a primary challenge.
Former State Sen. Joe Heck, who is challenging fellow Republican Gov. Jim Gibbons for his seat, also spoke at the rally.
The majority of the comments focused on the current health care proposal and Reid’s role in backing it.
“This is not just about how we run our health care system,” said Lew Uhler, founder and president of the National Tax Limitation Committee. “This is about how much control the government has over your life.”
Uhler called on everyone at the rally to contact six Republican senators who are working to reach a compromise on health care reform and tell them to stop.
“We’ve got to kill (the proposal) black-flag dead,” Uhler said. “Then we can start over.”
Their words found many a welcoming ear within the crowd. Henderson resident Peter Kempf said he was at the rally because he feels that those who have dissenting viewpoints on health care reform, like himself, deserve a fair hearing.
“I think it’s important for those of us who have served our country to come out and be heard,” he said. “We may not prevail, but it’s important for us to be heard in a respectful manner. The real problem we have with health care in our country right now is that those people who have a contrary opinion of how our problem should be fixed are being ignored.”
At least one person at the rally, however, showed up to support Reid and proposed health care legislation. Before the rally began, Las Vegas resident Irv Nickerson paced on the fringe with a sign that proclaimed: “We support: Obama Recovery Plan; Health Plan” on one side, and “We oppose: Bush Policies; Cheney Policies; Stupid People” on the other.
Between verbal sparring matches with the rally’s supporters, Nickerson said he conducted his solitary counter-protest to make sure other viewpoints would be represented at the rally.
“Somebody had to speak up,” Nickerson said. “There is another side to this. I’m being attacked on all sides, but you have to stand up for what you believe in. I really support Obama’s plan; I think it’s what we had to do.”
Las Vegas resident Sue Heiselman, a political independent, said she has soured on both of Nevada’s senators, Reid and Republican John Ensign, and that she attended the rally because she is concerned about how government spending will affect her grandchildren.
“I’m here for my grandkids,” she said. “They have no one to speak for them. This is not about a party or a person. We’re venting simply because we feel like we have nowhere else to go. (Representatives) don’t answer our calls, they don’t answer our e-mails, they don’t answer our faxes. They just dismiss us.”
Hey !!
What a coincidence, the healthcare haters roll into town today, and I get a letter today saying my health insurance premium is going up $25 dollars a month !!!!
Who needs healthcare/insurance reform !!!!
Idiots!
Sharron Angle is no longer an Assemblywoman. She is a perpetual candidate for one office or another.
I hope by a 'few hundred' you mean at least 1,500 (if not more). That place was packed.
So What ! ! ! !
Getting 1,000+ wack jobs together in a city of over one-millon is no accomplishment.
Tea speeds up the brain, should be good for Republican minds. Perhaps Sarah can fly in and conjugate some sentences to set a high bar for education outcomes in Nevada.
Today's Republican demagogues, when their pants are up, are working hard for two things, including (2) writing a profitable book, and (2) campaign-money whoring to get in power, at whatever cost, and (3) securing market abroad with American cash, troops, and police actions to move American jobs to those same countries.
They do not represent YOU, then represent THEM, including the gated communities of entitlement.
For those who don't understand, two and two above makes three.
So...if these people are so outraged over government spending, where were they when George W. Bush increased the federal budget from $1.9T when Bill Clinton left office (with a surplus) to $3.1T with a defecit (thanks to a pointless, ill-advised war)? So, it's just selective outrage or what?
1,000s showing up a grassroots event is something impressive... I believe that happened for Obama during the election season and it was covered intensely.
Looking at the picture with the lady holding the sign reading "Pres. Obama Please Tell the Truth" makes me think that people like this wouldn't believe the truth even if it bit them in the behind. We've got too many folks that believe in rhetoric and don't truly think for themselves. The healthcare debate right now isn't a debate but rather a campaign of scare tactics and blatant lies by those who don't want any changes to the current system.
Gee, I wished I could have been there.
Its like the cop that told the protester,"This aint America NO MO".
Thats just how I feel, This AINT AMERICA NO MO.
This is a phony event by a hate-talk radio host from Sacramento who hasn't had a talk show since he was fired from KFBK for hate speech. Mark Edweirds, got the money for this event from a big Insurance company and a foundation that is against integration. CNN interviewed the hate-master and he said 33 people were on the 2 corporate chartered hate buses. I'm sorry the Sun covered this farce, but it is good comic-relief. It is Summer Vacation at the right wing clown college.
Edweirds, Williams, whatever, google his name...he's a fill in host. Just like Joe the plumber, he wasn't named Joe, he was not a plumber and he didn't pay any taxes and he was on welfare.
Sherm has been all over hate radio whining like a stuck pig. What's a matter don't you like the free market?
People who think this isn't America any more are just like the people they outwardly hate for example the fundamentalist Muslims. They'd like country to be like some fairytale set in the 1950's with Ronald Reagan installed as a permeant President and the Democratic party banned by constitutional amendment. The United States of America has it's faults no country is perfect but if you don't like this country LEAVE.
To all of you who put this event down, you can all go join Harry Reid in the employment line at McDonald's the day after election day. I went to this gig and it was rad, man! My only disappointment was that I heard there was going to be live music there and I was hoping to catch america's #1 group, The Scintas's!
SPORT's!
It matters not a jot what these people do. President Obama will steamroller this through and as my health insurance has just gone up from $818 TO $960 A MONTH I say the quicker the better.
Gregory -excellent comments!
Reading between the lines you Liberals sound a little concerned. I got a little info. for you...the party is over and you haven't seen anything yet......2010 can't get here fast enough!
Health Care is fine.
The cost of Health care must be reformed.
Deregulation of the state lines.
Obama could care less about your welfare. He just wants to get His hands on the healthcare dollars!
Hey We lost the election! Call the Waambulance. Some non-white undeserving unwed mothers and their ex-con crack dealing boyfriends are going to get some money from the government. Some undocumented worker is going to the emergency room. All these people should never have a chance, They need to go away and die. We are caring nation, just not for these people. Social Darwinism, That's our selfish motto.
We start wars, and don't Finish them. It is always somebody else fault. Our motto NO Rehab! No welfare, No Social Safety Net. Go out on the street and die. Yippie! We will win in'10, if we can just get the latino and black, and gay and poor vote. Piece of Cake! They will vote against themselves Again!
If you think health care is expensive now, just wait until it's free.
Everyone had better come to the conclusion that this is NOT a Democrat or a Republican problem. We have an AMERICAN problem and if we don't act to throw all career politicians out of office, they are going to destroy our Republic. They have all prospered their own bank accounts off the sweat of our backs. DC has a problem with greed and a lust for power. They want to control us. There is nothing they love more than to divide Americans because while we're fighting each other they are robbing us blind. They want to control us and they are destroying America to achieve that end.
WAKE UP AMERICA!! Unless we unite like we did after 9/11 we are going to end up a third world crap hole like the socialist countries of Cuba and Venezuela. There is legislation pending to give Obama total control of the Internet, and he can turn it off whenever he wants. He has appointed 33 Czars who have absolute power. They were not approved by Congress, and they were not elected by us. They answer only to Obama! Most of them are avowed Socialists and Communists who want to redistribute OUR wealth. Everything any of us own can be taken away from us and given to somone else.
Throw the bast*rds out in 2010 and 2012. We the people are who they work for, but they have forgotten that! Do it for your kids and grandkids! Give them the same chance to grow up free that we have enjoyed!
The Koch oil/gas conglomerate--the biggest privately owned company in America is providing money for this--click on this chart
http://www.ourfuture.org/files/AHIP_char...
I sense desperation in the libs.
I sense mendacity in the conservs.
Scared and unable, or unwilling, to adapt and accept the inexorable march of history, the confused pseudo-patriots are a vanishing breed. We are witnessing the spasmodic thrashings of a dying political fish, gasping for life on the beach. Few, if any, will mourn their passing.
kaztec wrote, "if you don't like this country LEAVE."
I don't want to leave my country, but if I did, the IRS would still tax much of my income. The IRS taxes the worldwide income of US citizens, with some income excluded.
So even if someone left the country, health care reform still could directly impacts him or her.
:-)
Republicas lies
Lie 1 You'll have no choice in what health benefits you receive.
Lie 2.No chemo for older Medicare patients.
Lie 3.Death panels will decide who lives.
Lie 4.The government will set doctors' wages.
lie 5.the Obama Administration is lier
lie 6.the government funding of abortion
lie 7.the plans to pay for overhauling health care "by cutting $500 billion from Medicare
lie 8.Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
lie 9.A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get
lie 10.All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
lie 11.Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
lie 12.The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
lie 13.Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
lie 14.Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
lie 15. The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
lie 16.An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives
Lie 17.Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
lie 18.Officers and employees of Government Health care Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
lie 19.The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
Lie 20. Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected. Claim: Page 241: Doctors: no matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)\
lie 21.Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
lie 22.Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
Lie 23.Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
lie 24. : Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
lie 25.Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
lie 26.Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
lie 27.Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
There are a ton more after all they pay for about four or five "think tanks" to come up with them to misslead and control the people.!!
*falls off chair laughing* What a traveling circus act!
GHM
Nice job summarizing the propaganda. America is headed to be a 3rd world country where the rich have everything and the rest are exploited.
Just had lunch with an Austrian citizen. He said in his country, people don't worry about getting sick or hurt because they know the health care system will deal with their illness or injury.
They simply do not worry about healthcare. There is more concern about food quality. There national health care is that good!
Why is it that Democrats can't spell?
It time Harry Reid was voted out of office. He insults people that disagree with him and call Americans "Evil Mongers"! He forgets, we the people can vote this lier out! Obama has one agenda and that is to socialize America and Harry Reid goes along with it. The government now owns banks, GM -Government Motors and he wants to now control our health care. We will be forced to take it or be fined if you do not have government or health care that is approved by the government.( Amount not figured out yet) People better wake up to what is taking place in Obama/Reid/Pelosi's Washington. Obama has surrounded himself with 40 Czars who only answer to him and not the Congress or Senate. Most of them are stated communists!
Hey social parasites. Pay your own damned doctor bills. Quit freeloading off people better than you.
The Scintas's totally rock!!! It would have been great if they were there entertaining the teabaggers!
Bob: did your Austrian citizen tell you that they will be speaking Arabic in fifty years unless the U.S. comes to their defense?
They simply don't worry about healthcare... (There) national healthcare is that good. IDIOT: PLEASE LEARN PROPER GRAMMAR!
It's time we voted out the remaining Republican buffoons like John Ensign and Jim Gibbons we can no longer afford to have idiots like these guys holding up meaningful change in this country and in this state. For those of you who think Obama's healthcare plans will make this country a socialist country, I'm sorry to tell you we're already there. Take a look at our Police and Fire departments, Public schools, Air traffic control, our road system and many other services. When Medicare was enacted people on the right were in a hysteria and thought that the world would end. It DID NOT.
I'm sensing some real animosity here from jlb101.
To people like "jlb101":
At any time you could lose your job, your income, your healthcare. Tomorrow you could be in an accident and never be able to work again. What will happen then? You will be one of the people needing help from others. Sign something saying you will never take help from others even if in desperate need and you can continue to spew your evil. I hope you are happy with your self-serving beliefs as you suffer.
One more thing. Many of the people who are most wealthy got that way off the hard work of others. They became rich off of the hard work of people who now have no health care.
The world you want to live in is quite ugly. I want to live in a world where people have a capacity for decency.
"we've got to kill (the proposal) black flag dead."
Well. That IS some impressive rhetoric.
I hope he was able to come up with that all by himself, and got proper credit for it; I would personally call it stupendous, or...something like that.
Did anyone see any luminaries? Ditto-headies?
Michelle Bachman? Musta been exciting!
Here's a thought, let the liberals pay more taxes and the conservatives pay less. That way we're all happy.
75% of families filing bankruptcies due to medical expenses already have health insurance. This is clearly the best of all possible systems. More tea?
Everyday, I better understand why my French ancestors just pulled out the guiotines and started to taking off the heads of the selfish rich and stupid crazies!
As Bill Maher recently said "We need to replace these Town Halls with STUDY Halls!"
We can fully fund and fix the V.A., Medicare, Medicaid and provide a Public Option - to include comprehensive MENTAL HEALTH CARE for the uneducated, mentally ill and disordered! What I like about this, first and foremost, is it's just the right thing to do AND it takes all of the excuses away from the nut-cases, drunks and addicts, as well as the criminals and career gangsters!
When Congress re-convenes I hope President Obaman and Senate Majority Leader Reid simply and clearly give the Republicans one last chance to discuss the FACTS fairly and make REASONABLE compromises. I say that, knowing full well, the Republicans are not interested in the facts or being resonable - and they'll continue to show their true colors of selfishness and stupidity!
Then, we do as the Republicans did to us - we push the legislation through in a partisan manner if we are left no other choice - yep, we cram it down their throats just as they did us when they were in the majority!
I'm betting Obama will be more of gentlemen than Bush and his boys ever thought about - after all, those brat boys weren't even real men!
I am with Emperorjoe on this one. Let the liberals pay extra tax for the healthcare. Us richpublicans will pay less and will all be happy.
Dido Ejoe.
At least we cornered all the dumbbells in one place,so we can keep tabs on what hole they crawled out of. Stupid is as stupid does, and they are the mountain top.
Who funds big buses like that and the expenses of all the people inside? C'mon, Pulitzer paper....ask the hard questions.
No wonder these teabaggers never make any sense, as it must be difficult to speak with balls in their mouths.
Oh sure we don't need healthcare reform. Our corporations are handling the added burden of healthcare just fine. I guess that's why the Boeing 787 is two years behind schedule and it still hasn't flown. GO AIRBUS!!
JLB101:
Thank you for understanding that providing health insurance is indeed a business, and that the entire point of operating a business is to make money.
I can't get over these muddle-headed "libs" and "socialists", who seem to expect that American business should bend over backwards for them and actually give up profits so that they can pay for their health claims -- talk about "the entitlement society"!!
I understand this from a personal perspective: I have a relative who is with a health insurance company that provides affordable coverage. Their typical customer is, you know, the sort of loser who got laid off from his job, has a family to support, and can't afford to pay $1000 plus a month for COBRA coverage. Or maybe the sort of loser who works for a small business that doesn't provide health insurance benefits for employees, so he has to buy his own coverage. You know the type -- probably "libs", right?
Well, this company has a great business model: they get these kinds of desperate losers to sign up with them so that they only have to pay, say $300 a month for the privilege (and it is indeed a privilege, and not a right) of owning an attractively-designed health insurance card. Now, would you think that these losers appreciate the fact that they have affordable coverage? Think again -- read what some of these ungrateful socialists have to say:
http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaint...
http://ripoffreport.com/Search/cinergy-h...
Do you want to see a prime example of some bellyaching lib? Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT_2GjSkz...
They just don't get it!! Hello libs, this company has a BUSINESS to run, understand?? They are in business to collect premiums and make money; they cannot be burdened with your health problems!! This is America, and this is not some "entitlement society". If you can't afford the coverage and you have a health problem, remember: it's YOUR PROBLEM, NOT MINE!! Go move to some socialist country if you don't like it, but don't rag on American business!!
For all of you on this board who do understand and know what I'm talking about, see you at the next Tea Party rally!!
I for one am tired of the 'RETARDED'comments comeing out of birdbrain!I have a few freinds that are mentally challenged,and am insulted by his use of that word!And no im not a part of neither party,just sick and tired of his mindless comments!KEEP THE PERSONAL ATTACKS TO YOURSELF YOU NUT!!!
I wouldn't call Birdie a nut. Nuts are beneath him.
Nuts? Read some of the other posts here...
Way to go Larry. Show the compassion of the liberals by making fun of people.
Huh?
If I have hurt Birdie feelings then I would publicly apologize to him personally by saying that nuts are not beneath him.
Can someone please tell me how a tea bag party is any different than acorn? Oh, Wait a minute. One is funded by the private sector and the other by me the TAX PAYER like it or not! We all know what a beacon of corruption this B.S. acorn is, Unless your looking through the liberal kaleidoscope.
jb101 You are impaired or stupid. Who do you think pays for the uninsured now? Why is UMC in debt millions of dollars? If there was affordable health insurance and people were made to have it(like auto insurance) then the tax payers would not be hit with this hiden tax that the insurance lobbyists don't want you to know about. Get a brain and quit listening to the idiots at Fox News and Rush. By the way Bush and McCain encourages illegal immigration and the costs that go with them. You may be the parasite.
Kansas Girl Nothing good ever came out of Kansas and you are living proof.
Questions:
1) Will coverage and cost be the same for individuals who smoke, excessive drinking, over eating, eating unhealthy foods, drug use and no exercise?
2) What about individuals not using helmets, seat belts or other safety gear?
3) How about sexually risky behavior? Should HIV and STDs be covered?
4) What about "elective" surgery? Some say some forms of plastic surgery is part of the cure. Who decides?
5) What about couples attempting to get pregnant? Using artificial methods? With know high risk diseases? Or already having premature babies?
Where do we draw the line and have individuals responsible?
For anyone that is interested, here is a link to the event as I saw it at the Sacramento Tea Party:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23809153@N0...
Sergio, Sergio, Sergio!
YOU KIDDER! You're yanking chains, aren't you?
Because if you are not, sir, let me tell you, and I mean no disrespect to your family members, but if one of your 3 children or your wife comes down with a serious illness, your "American Dream" lifestyle will go POOF! Right before your very eyes!
But you've got it all figured out, right?
"That only happens to other people. We're the smart ones!"
I guess you haven't heard the leading cause of BANKRUPTCY.
Medical bills, Sergio.
Hey Homer,
I lived in Kansas for over thirty years and resemble your comment about Kansas.
By the way, I knew a guy named Homer when I lived in Kansas. Are you him??? I think you are. You do sound like him...
SERGIO:
I have to say that you are luckier than the rest of us: since you are a "prophet", this must mean that you are in fact "immortal", and that you will never need to worry about getting sick and dying. Therefore, you are one of the very rare few among us that has no need for health insurance -- congratulations!
Now, if some unfortunate event should happen that might sap you of your immortality (green kryptonite, for example), I hope that you have enough stashed away in that emergency fund of yours (which you were planning to use toward retirement) so that you can cover your medical costs. For mere mortals, this can get kind of expensive, and can really eat into retirement planning . . . . .
Well, you are quoting yourself calling yourself a jerk. T'wasn't I, sir.
L' Chaim.
Wow a white trash convention in Las Vegas. LOL.
What a joke. Losers with no education. You bet those people pay little taxes if any.
Is Nick here to join the convention?
To Irv the sign guy, You need a history lesson, George Bush is NOT THE PRESIDENT anymore, you need to read your on sign bout stupid people and look at yourself in the mirror.
Nick, you tricky devil, would you be so kind as to tell us where you employ these fine law-abiding illegal immigrants? I want you to meet some representatives of the U.S. government who will hand out American flags and other souvenirs to your new American patriots.
Probably out of the back of a stolen pickup while selling homemade food from the cab.
So funny...
"We want our country back!!!"
Sorry, you lost "your" country after eight years of real crappy policy. Maybe if you'd been protesting then, you wouldn't have to protest now.
Gregory- Thank you. We need more like you in this state.
Republicans love to talk about being fiscally conservative. Historically, Republican administrations have run the largest deficits. How conservative is that? So when a president comes with a proposal to invest money in a health care reform that will provide health insurance for all Americans and that will actually pay itself off in the long run, he finds fierce opposition from a bunch of greedy people who profit from the status quo and have the money to spend in false, brain-washing advertisement. Worst of all: many people allow themselves to be brainwashed. Health care is a right of every citizen and, by moral principle, profits SHOULD NOT BE MADE out of people's basic rights. EVERY single civilized country has a universal, public health program. We are the only ones who have to pay for someone else's profits when paying for our health care. For corporate health care, the more sick people the better. For for-profit health insurances, the less care the better. For-profit hospitals are like hotels, the fuller the occupancy the better. What a "marvelous" principle, don't you think? I am amazed how many talk against "socialized" medicine. As it turns out, health care in every developed country with a public health care plan is infinitely better that in the U.S. No copays, no pre-existing conditions applied, no co-insurance, no lifetime limit. If you disagree, go travel around the world and ask, instead of regurgitating what felons like Rick Scott have been feeding you. Believe me, they have a reason. And this reason has nothing to do with your own well-being.
I do want to ask something in all honesty; How many posting on here have gone through and done the reading on the Whole Health Care Bill( the one being tossed around in the House)?
I have!
How about those that have not done the reading Not speak on that which they know nothing about.
Morgen rants: "As it turns out, health care in every developed country with a public health care plan is infinitely better that in the U.S. No copays, no pre-existing conditions applied, no co-insurance, no lifetime limit." ARE YOU REALLY SURE ABOUT THIS STATEMENT, MORGEN???
"If you disagree, go travel around the world and ask..." I DISAGREE BUT I AM NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
"...instead of regurgitating what felons like Rick Scott have been feeding you." I DON'T KNOW OR CARE WHO RICK SCOTT IS.
"Believe me, they have a reason. And this reason has nothing to do with your own well-being." I AM NOT SURE YOU HAVE A REASON. AND MY WELL-BEING IS MY BUSINESS. NOT YOURS OR THE GOVERNMENT.
BUT, THANKS FOR ASKING...
Harry Reid is a windbag and a backbiter.
henderson, you must have been there. what a bunch of selfish people. probably heading to church this sunday to learn some more hate.
Amtrack - U.S.Postal Service - SOCIAL Security. Sure let's have the idiots in D.C. control health care too. Term Limits, Flat Tax,& a Balanced Budget Amendment is needed now.
Now O`buma says he`s going to change his tactics to get healthcare past, even if he has to do it without Republican support. He now says the Government option is not essential anymore. Remember the story of the Trojan Horse. Just like the issue of illegal immigrants and those who claim were at war we are being invaded without a shot being fired. Like our borders there will be so many back door ways for O`buma to get what he wants after the water downed bill is passed. A few are Government option, care for illegals and Abortions paid for with our tax dollars. While there is this push for healthcare now, there shouldn`t be one until after the 2010 elections are over. Time for the politians to personally read these different bills before they vote on any of them. We may need healthcare reform but it needs to be done right as once it`s passed were stuck with it and all cost associated with it.
Insurance companies are regulated second to probably only gaming in Nevada (and most other states). There is a specific political official who does nothing BUT 'regulate' insurance companies in Nevada.
If we aren't happy about health insurance, why can't the state tell us why no other insurance providers want to get in on a state with a growing market like Nevada? We know why they avoid states like NY, NJ, VT, CT or IL because of the insane restrictions but why would a libertarian leaning state like Nevada has soo few options?
Having MORE government is not only not competition but it is also going further down the road which limits choice and competition today. You don't think insurance companies are fairly happy NOT to have to compete nationally right now? They can create mini-monopolies in small states like Nevada and keep smaller providers from being able to survive all the overhead & regulations.
Anybody think of another industry where the government dictates what your profit margin is? Yep, utilities. And aren't we all just thrilled with our utility company right now? Only the water district is being run well but if it wasn't we would be in the same boat since utilities are monopolies. Government loves monopolies because you can also tax/levy the monopoly when the gov needs more $$$ because the monopoly won't pick up and leave. And the monopoly can just buy more and more politicians to keep the taxing and levying to a minimum while it passes on those costs to the consumers who ultimately pay for it all.
For all you people who think that having 50+ new government agencies is a solution to healthcare, you might want to hang out at a VA waiting room and ask folks there what government care is really like. Or Indian Health Services (if you can find one...). And don't bother with a 'Medicare is a government insurance...' Medicare is not an insurance provider NOR a healthcare provider. Medicare is a healthcare PAYMENT agency. They don't have doctors. They don't insurance you against anything. They are just a bureaucracy which pays medical providers (barely, if at all) when a senior shows up and gets virtually free healthcare from a medical provider who serves them as a public service and not as a capitalist or a business (because not company can live on medicare payments unless you make those motorized wheelchairs or diabetes supplies).
Wanna fix healthcare? Write a bill which does the things you claim are solutions. That won't take 1200 pages. And you'll be able to explain it to other people without using slogans like 'Health Care Now' or referring to the Constitution which actually sought to deter this kind of thing.
The whole thing is phony. mark Williams is a fired talk show host from KFBK in Sacramento (google it) He is trying to make a name for himself along with geek "Griff Jenkins" of FIX News. There are only thirty three people on the bus, leased by Mr. Scott of the Health Insurance Industry (Paid out Billions in fines and now runs Walmart quikee med clinics)
When the phony charade got to Las Vegas, Publisher Sherm of the RJ and PD Jack Landreth of KXNT, made a big deal, called Sean Insannity and Mark Levin about some joke Reid made at the chamber meeting to the rj ad director.
The whole thing is a bunch of contrived crap, and it doesn't do anything for someone who can't get insurance because of preexisting conditions etc.
LarryVegas. You're just confirming what I said on my post. You have the attitude of many Americans when it comes to health care and a few other matters "Please do not confuse me with the facts!!" LOL
My comments to your post:
Morgen rants: "As it turns out, health care in every developed country with a public health care plan is infinitely better that in the U.S. No copays, no pre-existing conditions applied, no co-insurance, no lifetime limit." ARE YOU REALLY SURE ABOUT THIS STATEMENT, MORGEN???
absolutely--go do your research.
"If you disagree, go travel around the world and ask..." I DISAGREE BUT I AM NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
so how can you disagree then? A chicken born and raised in a chicken house might think that dark, filthy place is the best. Because it knows no better.
"...instead of regurgitating what felons like Rick Scott have been feeding you." I DON'T KNOW OR CARE WHO RICK SCOTT IS.
That's the problem. You're again uninformed. You don't know who's dollars are the ones shaping your opinion, and brainwashing you.
"Believe me, they have a reason. And this reason has nothing to do with your own well-being." I AM NOT SURE YOU HAVE A REASON. AND MY WELL-BEING IS MY BUSINESS. NOT YOURS OR THE GOVERNMENT.
Sure, I agree. That's your business. If you want to keep your lousy healthcare while paying thousands for it, most of which goes to the pockets of a few healthcare mobsters, then go right ahead.
BUT, THANKS FOR ASKING...
You're very welcome
Both sides seem more interested in putting on their partisan blinders and charging forward. And why not? After all, God, the Constitution, and public sentiment is on "our" side, right?
Maybe we should just scrap ALL medical insurance and Medicare, and have "USCare" cover ALL medical expenses for all US citizens & legal residents everywhere? Mandate a $2400 individual annual deductible (exams & immunizations are free though), impose an income tax surcharge (similar to Medicare now) & a processed food sales tax to help pay for it, limit the coverage to basics (specifically prohibiting abortion, assisted suicide or euthanasia, elective cosmetic procedures), no caps, no question on transferability. Enrollment would be simple -- via the DMV using strengthened REAL ID rules, with illegals specifically prohibited from being covered. Govt could even contract it out by state or region, to encourage some competition (though the coverage would be the same for each state and readily transfer with no change in coverage). And of course, tort reform that would significantly limit if not eliminate punitive damage awards. Individuals could buy supplementals for electives. And to legally practice in the US would REQUIRE the medical providor accept USCare.
don't worry, the money you save on your health premiums will be lost in the taxes you will end up paying (yes, you WILL be)
Jaesun,
So long as less money goes to those bastard insurance companies, I don't care if I pay more taxes...