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By Jackie Valley (contact) 
Monday, Aug. 2, 2010 | 6:51 p.m.
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- Metro Police radio traffic during the July 10 officer-involved shooting that left Erik Scott dead
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Erik Scott memorial
Sun archives
- Coroner’s inquest into Costco shooting indefinitely postponed (7-27-2010)
- Coroner's inquest set in fatal police shooting at Summerlin Costco (7-21-2010)
- Man killed by police in Costco shooting honored at memorial (7-17-2010)
- Metro IDs officers in fatal shooting at Summerlin Costco (7-12-2010)
- Officers fatally shoot armed man at Summerlin Costco (7-10-10)
A Metro Police radio recording reveals new details about what happened in the minutes leading up to an officer-involved shooting at a Summerlin Costco last month that left a Las Vegas man dead.
The recording originally was posted on radioreference.com, which broadcasts live public safety audio feeds and archives law enforcement radio recordings. Portions of the audio also have been posted to YouTube.
Metro Police spokesman Bill Cassell said Monday that police haven’t authenticated the audio, but he said he has listened to a portion of the recording.
"The recordings speak for themselves," he said. "When you listen to the recording, it demonstrates the calmness and professionalism of how the situation was handled."
In the recording, a police dispatcher says a man, later identified as 38-year-old Erik Scott, is acting erratically while throwing store merchandise and is possibly high on drugs in the Summerlin Costco, 801 South Pavilion Center Drive. The incident occurred July 10.
Later, officers are alerted the situation is a "413," police code for a person with a firearm.
The dispatcher tells officers the suspect — a white man with a medium build and red hair — argued with a store manager about the weapon and told the manager he was allowed to be armed because he is a Green Beret. A woman with Scott is identified as being in her 30s with long black hair, wearing a tank top and jeans.
Just before the dispatcher says the suspect is in the middle of the building, officers report asking the manager to slowly evacuate customers. Two officers are stationed at the front entrance while watching people exit the store.
An officer then yells that shots have been fired. An officer reports a "413," or a gun, was pointed in his direction.
The remainder of the recording reveals the aftermath of the shooting — officers blocking access to the store's parking lot, requesting medical aid for Scott and taking him into custody.
Metro Police haven’t released the 911 call or surveillance video from the incident.
Calls to the Scott family attorney, Ross Goodman, weren’t immediately returned Monday afternoon.
The family of Scott, a West Point graduate and medical sales representative, has denied police reports that he pointed a gun at officers. Some witness accounts also have countered the police version of events.
Last week, the coroner's inquest into the shooting, which originally was scheduled for Sept. 3, was postponed indefinitely.
Clark County District Attorney David Roger said his office asked for the postponement because it needed more time for the investigation — reading witness statements, identifying witnesses and reading reports on the incident. He also said the Sept. 3 date — the Friday before Labor Day — posed a problem because it would likely take two days for evidence to be presented to the inquest jury.
Well, that will put much more liability for the murder on Costco. Nothing in that police call indicates that murdering a citizen, in this case a West Point graduate, legally carrying firearms, posing no threat of harm to anyone, who had broken no law, was justified.
The Metro cover up begins before the first shot is even fired.
I bet all the Metro officers testify that they were in fear of their lives. They will leave out that they fired in total disregard for all the innocent people around.
Metro is not going to get away with this murder.
I don't care to listen to a recording. I want to see the video tapes from the cameras all over Costco. Period. End of story.
Audio recording is like hearing it from a third person.... I agree that video will tell the whole story,, the true story..... Lets see if metro or the DA confiscated those and will eventually let everyone see their version or the real one....
It's strange that Metro would use these excerpts to "demonstrate" the professionalism of Metro's response. It may seem that way at first, but if you listen to the recordings, they actually corroborate the eyewitnesses that were interviewed in the LVRJ--the same eyewitnesses that contradict Metro's version.
A few thoughts:
1. These tapes demonstrate that the responding officers arrived at Costco expecting to find a crazed gunman, as suspected.
2. The dispatch tapes indicate that Erik Scott was in the camping section of Costco where the store sells metal water bottles. Readers of the LVRJ may recall the 72 year old eyewitness interviewed by the LVRJ and that said he and his wife saw Scott at this time, trying to see if the individual water bottles in a container. The same eyewitness claims to have seen the interaction between Scott and the Costco employee and said that neither he nor his wife saw any evidence that Scott was going "beserk" or destroying merchandise at this time, as Metro initially claimed.
3. The dispatcher updates the situation after the initial call to say that Scott may just be opening a carton and that it may be a petit larcency case. But by this time, it's obvious that the responding officers still have the "crazed" gunman scenario in their heads. What I find disturbing is that if it was obvious to the 72 year old and his wife that Scott was just trying to see if metal bottles fit into a container, it was probably obvious to the Costco employee as well. This only adds to the evidence that the Costco employee knowingly exaggerated the report to the 911 dispatcher.
4. If you listen to the end of the second recording, the recording confirms the allegations of eyewitnesses that the police did not attempt to render aid after Scott was shot. Also, keep track of the amount of time it takes from the shooting until someone questions the location of the rescue.
The "shots fired" transmission occurs at 4:07 into the second recording (you have to go to the version on YouTube for the times) . The voice asking why a rescue hasn't come forward is heard at 9:03 into the second recording, nearly 5 minutes after the shooting. Sadly, the one of the officers can be heard talking about traffic control measures at 7:00 into the recording.
So it looks like the dispatch tapes lend to support to the belief that the LVRJ witnesses were telling the truth about seeing Scott in the camping section and about the delayed ambulance response time.
Of course, the big question is whether or not the LVRJ witness were telling the truth about the shooting itself. Recall that EVERY single LVRJ witness interviewed denied Metro's version that Scott pointed a gun at officers.
This released audio recording shines no light on the underlying issue here.
"the remainder of the recording is the aftermath,and dispatcher says suspect is in middle of building"
WTF
Why is this story even released,and written about?
of course the metro police representative says the tapes speak for themselves!
What are you talking about Puppet Boy
There is nothing in those recordings that release any of you/your police dept from any wrongdoing,which is the jest of this whole fiasco anyways!
peace out
by the way,when a cop has to call me over to his squad car to inform me that my harley is parked on a sidewalk vs legitimate parking spot,tells me where there priorities are.
Yes i parked at target on the sidewalk away from customers,to avoid my kickstand sinking into the pavement,and he confronts me
Are you Fing kidding me?
I sincerely think there are more significant issues in this town to worry about then my parking my motorcycle on the concrete,and YES i have been parking it there for 3-4 years,and never called on it!
I think you are all missing the main point of the entire incident. Scott was seen with a gun concealed on his person, he was asked by a store employee to leave because they DO NOT ALLOW GUNS IN THE STORE. He REFUSED TO LEAVE PRIVATE PROPERTY, and told the employee that he was a green beret and could carry a gun if he wanted to.
Store employee calls police and sayd a GUY WITH A GUN REFUSES TO LEAVE AND IS ACTING IRRATIONALLY.
The fact that Scott had a CCW permit is irrelevant. He carried a gun onto private property and refused to leave. Signs are NOT REQUIRED. If a person carries a gun onto your property and you ask them to leave and they refuse, what do you do?
I think when the inquest is held, when the DA, not the police, are ready, then much more will come out about Scott's state of mind, and perhaps even about his demeanor in the store.
All you Monday morning quarterbacks can whine all you want, but this is a case of a guy that made a big mistake, pulled a gun on the police, and paid for it with his life.
I would bet that the toxicology will show some kind of illicit drugs or a high amount of prescription drugs.
By the way, if you do some research, Metro is among the top 5% best trained law enforcement agencies in the country.
Let me get this straight. A $7.50/hr employee calls Metro, That person stays on the phone while getting on the intercom, to tell everyone to leave the store. Then the shots are heard. A man is dead. Did he/she leave the store too? When? All the time on the phone???? What a crock of s%$#. Show us the VIDEOS!!!! If Costco says they don't have cameras that work, what the hell, I'll steal from them too!! (Actually, I've never stolen an item in my life, but it sounds good!) I will stand by my orginal statements, that not all Metro is bad. I am feeling sick that these 3 PUNKS WITH BADGES have an extended vacation for being MURDERS. HEY DA Rodgers, are you sleeping with Gillisspess's wife or is he sleeping with yours! GHEEE, I don't know, maybe you sleep with each other! God Bless you! Now do you know who I sound like?
The coroners inquest was postponed indefinitely? The inquest is seperate and designed to be impartial from the police investigation. Something does not smell right.
Acting irrational to the point where employee calls cops.
No reason to carry a gun into freaking Costco...in Summerlin!!
Throwing merchandise.
Sounds like the guy either had a chip on his shoulder or was intoxicated.
Well, he was shot outside the store, so he didn't refuse to leave. He obviously left the store.
No one with the training to get a CCW would make any quick moves with a band of Metro cowboys drawing down on him. I certainly wouldn't make a mistake like that. Metro's story makes no sense whatsoever.
What is your proof source on Metro's training? The Metro Cop Gazette? Prove it, unless you some Monday morning hack.
TommyD1228... Baby,Grow up! The employess at Costco get paid an average of $7.50 /hr. GET IT??? West Point Grads, are highly trained, and NOT TO STOCK BOXES. GET IT??
By SummerlinCC
Aug. 2, 2010
8:12 p.m.
The "shots fired" transmission occurs at 4:07 into the second recording (you have to go to the version on YouTube for the times) . The voice asking why a rescue hasn't come forward is heard at 9:03 into the second recording, nearly 5 minutes after the shooting.
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Is there any particular reason why you seem to be outraged that there wasn't an ambulance right next to Erik Scott in less than five minutes after shots were fired?
Your posts about this whole incident the last week or so are patently ridiculous. You cherry pick the portions of news media coverage that suit your preconceived conclusion and spin a story around them. Why can't you wait until all the evidence is available instead of howling incessantly that everything the police did was wrong and that Erik Scott was an angel?
As a side note you and others are continually quoting what news media interviewees are saying they didn't see as if nothing Erik Scott did could possibly have happened if one of these interviewees didn't see it. On the other hand, anything that does contradict your preferred version is ignored.
By tortious2u2
Aug. 2, 2010
9:15 p.m.
Well, he was shot outside the store, so he didn't refuse to leave. He obviously left the store.
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Yeah, well, the Wehrmacht left France and Russia, too. They just didn't leave when courteously requested.
We'll see what the testimony is soon.
By the way, this statement of yours is ludicrously nonsensical:
"No one with the training to get a CCW would make any quick moves with a band of Metro cowboys drawing down on him."
You apparently have some way of knowing that Erik Scott was an all-around perfect person. Right?
Sad incompetence all the way through. The CIT (Crisis Intervention Team) was called for, but never responded. No one asked about them again. These pathetic officers could not even properly close off the Costco parking lot. An officer is heard saying that Medical is "just sitting there" long after the officers shot the citizen. A poster above mentioned five minutes, which seems about right. Incredible. Proper response might have saved the victim's life; apparently no one thought enough to care about it.
I don't think there was malice, just plain incompetence and stupidity. Poorly-trained, probably scared, trigger-happy officers -- one made a terrible mistake in shooting the victim, and the others simply joined in out of fear, lack of adequate training, or whatever other reasons of their own. Telling, too, is that one officer won't speak on the radio any more after the shooting of Mr. Scott; he instead wants to talk with another officer on the cell phone. Why? Did he quickly realize the horrible thing they had done and started the cover up?
From what was probably a stupid overreaction by a petty Costco employee to gross mishandling all the way through by the responding officers, this tragedy surely could have been avoided. I suspect Costco will eventually be paying millions, as will the taxpayers, for Metro's latest sad chapter.
Metro's incompetence reminds me of LAPD fifteen years ago. As much as I hate to think of it, Metro sorely needs competent federal oversight, as did the LAPD. It took over a decade to clan up LAPD and straighten it out. Metro needs a thorough cleansing from top to bottom.
It might be wise to start a policy of immediately taking blood and/or urine samples from officers who fire their weapons. Let's find out if some officers are taking steroids or other drugs that can cause wild overreactions to situations. This is routinely done in transportation accidents. Why not in police killings?
By jrfree
Aug. 2, 2010
9:11 p.m.
The coroners inquest was postponed indefinitely? The inquest is seperate and designed to be impartial from the police investigation. Something does not smell right.
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This is from the short news article:
"Clark County District Attorney David Roger said his office asked for the postponement because it needed more time for the investigation -- reading witness statements, identifying witnesses and reading reports on the incident. He also said the Sept. 3 date -- the Friday before Labor Day -- posed a problem because it would likely take two days for evidence to be presented to the inquest jury."
Hope that helps you to figure it out.
By LVBear
Aug. 2, 2010
9:54 p.m.
Sad incompetence all the way through. The CIT (Crisis Intervention Team) was called for, but never responded. No one asked about them again. These pathetic officers could not even properly close off the Costco parking lot.
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You must have a lot of experience with shootouts and closing off parking lots. What would you do if you were a police officer and someone pointed a gun at you- excuse yourself while you closed off the parking lot?
If anyone hasn't figured it out yet, no matter how many years you've been shopping at Costco without getting shot dead you'd better think about shopping elsewhere because when you pack one or more loaded guns (and a knife; haven't heard about that yet?) into the store and refuse to remove them from the store they are so cowardly that they will call the police rather than throwing an armed person out of the store themselves with hand to hand combat.
And when the police arrive if you so much as smile they'll shoot you dead.
Or so the story at Las Vegas Sun comments goes, anyway.
Wow, not suprised to see all the cop haters out and trying to draw up a conspiracy theory already... Same people who sue the cops for breaking their finger nails as they pull them from a flipped over car.
How does Otis fit into all this?
So this was posted on Youtube 3 days ago,and it's today's news?
Actually it looks like it was posted a week ago on Youtube!
An individual has the right to carry a concealed firearm so long as they obtain the necessary permit.
Nevada is also an open-carry state, which means that in certain places you may wear a firearm (not concealed) in a holster.
However, a private business HAS the right to refuse to allow a person to enter their business if they know that they are carrying a firearm.
So let's look at this situation......
Guy goes into Costco. The police get called to respond. The guy has a gun and the police shoot him. What's the problem?
The police were called to Costco. The person who called 9-1-1 said the thought they were behaving like they were high on drugs.
So the police respond, which is what we pay them to do.
Guy gets shot and dies.
What have we learned?
1. Don't act like a retard, you won't have the cops called.
2. Don't act like a retard while carrying a gun - this should reduce your chances of getting shot.
3. People - regardless of where you are educated, or what your background is, flip out now and then.
The fact remain consistent. The police responded to the call from Costco employees and prepare their response on the information provided by the Costco employees. The dispatcher relays information to the responding officers. The responding officers clearly anticipated a possible arm conforntation based on the Costco employees information. The Costco employees contributed to the heighten response by the police. For one, the Costco employees directed the store patrons leave the store for what reason? The victim what not confrontational, nor violent. But the police were informed by the Costco employees that this was the case.
"An officer then yells that shots have been fired. An officer reports a "413," or a gun, was pointed in his direction."
There you are. Scott never fired a weapon so why did an officer say shots were fired and then proceed to shoot the man as he was leaving the store? Furthermore, in the first story about this incident, posted here, an officer tapped Scott on the shoulder and when Scott turned he was shot. If an officer was behind him and the weapon was concealed, then why didn't the officer simply take him down with a knock on the head or take him to the ground?
There are a lot of fools who post on here and I hope to God that none of them are ever on the bad side of incomptence like this man was. Is it stupid to take a loaded weapon in Costco? You bet! But you don't have to die for it.
And for those of you who love to rant and rave about your Second Ammendment Rights, well here's a case for you. What good is having a concealed weapon permit if you're going to cause an uproar the minute anyone sees you with a gun? You can't have it both ways.
Now back to the point. It is obvious that the police failed miserably in this situation. The fact that Scott had a gun is irrelevant. He may not have had a gun at all and a panicked employee could have called the police merely thinking he'd seen a gun. The mere fact that there was story yesterday in this very paper about Metro having to "educate" its officers on the use of seatbelts should speak volumes about this police force. If I were to be pulled over and not wearing a seatbelt (a law by the way designed to save my life) I would be fined. But apparently the police are above the law.
It's frightening, frankly, because this entire story goes to show that anyone who is trusted with a loaded weapon needs to be trained and trained and trained again on common sense. If the police are that skiddish then they don't belong in that line of work.
Remember it could happen to any one of you, any time, for any reason.
It is not illegal to carry openly or concealed weapons into a store unless it is posted. I do it all the time,I have the permit so do many others. Release all the store tapes showing the supposed erratic behavior in the store, and the pinhead employee's encounter with Scott. If his 911 call does not match his hysterical claims then he has blood on his hands. Release all the police tapes. This is a case of a pinhead store employee with a hardon calling in a phony 911 call, and stupid cops. How many shots were into Scotts back after he went down? Maybe a boycott of Costco is in order,I don't plan to renew my Costco card. Hell, I could get shot because I wanted to buy some beer, to heck with that Costco.
I didn't listen to the audio, I read the transcript. There is nothing here that I wasn't either aware of, or suspected previously. There is also nothing here that mitigates or absolves the three Metro officers of the responsibility of the outcome.
At no time do I believe that Erik Scott was acting inappropriately or speaking to anyone disrespectfully. I believe that during the course of chitchat with the Costco employee that was assisting him with the water bottles and cooler that there were passing comments about West Point and Erik's military service that was overheard. I don't think that it was this particular employee that started this horrible event because if he/she was panicked at the sight of a holstered weapon, there would have been no assistance with the items that Erik Scott wanted to purchase
Someone, perhaps even a customer, seeing an open container of water bottles and a holstered weapon may have panicked. This could have been a tourist, who was unaware that Nevada is an open carry and concealed carry permitted state, alerted another employee who put an entirely different and inaccurate second hand observation into play. It is possible that this second employee made the first 911 call.
One aspect that I have wondered about is how the store manager and store security people fit into the any of the possible scenarios.
What ensued when Erik and his girlfriend exited the door, and is most troubling to me, is the total absence of command and control on the part of the three Metro officers. There was no command structure, and they were without control over their thoughts and actions. In the end, a good and honorable man is dead and there is no way it can be justified.
It's sad, but true: that so many people aren't willing to give Metro the benefit of the doubt. A lot of the posters on this board apparently look at Metro the same way Metro looks at them: guilty until proven innocent.
By now, when it comes to officer-involved shootings, all the cops know that the magic words during the Coroner's Inquest are "furtive movement." That's why you can't give much weight to the cop claiming Erik Scott pointed his gun at him over the radio. First, you've got to convince yourself that he's not doing it just to cover his @ss? (None of the other shooters commented over their radios.)
Who was/were the aggressor(s) in this sad situation?
All in all, it's a pretty sad state of affairs when such a large portion of citizens obviously don't trust the police.
How many more people have to die before Las Vegas citizens demand an end to the Coroner's Inquest?
Are Police Officers bad? No
Are there bad Police Officers? Yes
As there are bad teachers, politicians, clergymen, doctors and therapists.
That does not mean that it is proper to attack the entire institution of Police work or the LVMPD and all it's Officers as a whole. If this was a mistake then it was a terrible one that must be answered for and learned from. If this man did point gun at officers then nothing else need be said.
Hey Police I have a suggestion . . . stop doing your job. Thats right, just stop. Everyone hates you anyway and doesn't seem to understand that you place yourself at risk because of your own integrity and own personal moral compass. You work virtually unsupervised most of the time. Take your calls for service and coast, nobody will know. You can be a super well paid report taker for a hell of a long time without notice.
When that bad guy jumps over a fence with a gun after robbing and killing someone, don't jump after him. Your supervisor isn't there yet. Nobody will know. You are off probation and in a protected position so why risk it? Your wife and kids want you to come home and the homeowner is going to sue you if you have to shoot his pit bull anyway. Unless you know the people living there or one of their kids why risk it?
When you are chasing that drunken driver in the stolen car that's doing 110 mph on the freeway, drive at 105 mph and say you lost him or when hurrying to that Domestic Violence call why do so urgently. It's not your car he stole and not your wife who gets smacked in the mouth a couple extra times because you did the speed limit.
I don't understand why you all take your job so seriously . . . oh wait . . . maybe . . . just maybe . . . now this is a stretch of the imagination . . . you actually care and want to protect your community.
I sincerely hope the truth is found in this tragic event and all can find closure but attacking the Police out of hatred for Law Enforcement in general is just crazy. I also want to see the video and will follow this inquest when it occurs but I will not jump on this cop hater bandwagon. If someone is breaking into my home while I am at work and my wife and kids are alone I want every Policeman in the city driving as safely as possible with that pedal securely glued to the floorboard to get there. Not taking thier sweet ass time because they are worried about what the Police haters will think of him or her if something bad happens.
A Society that makes war with its Police, had better learn to make friends with its criminals.
I struggle to understand why the reporters continue to refer to the deceased as a graduate of West Point as though that title confers some lifetime special status on him.
Why don't they refer to simple high school grads by that level of education when we average folks run afoul of the law?
Could Jackie Valley do a follow up on Lt Calley and resurrect him?
At least I could side with an attempt to vindicate him!
To Bullmoose:
"It is not illegal to carry openly or concealed weapons into a store unless it is posted. I do it all the time,I have the permit so do many others."
You are correct, however, if a representitive of the owner of the property(any employee) asks you to leave for any reason, and you do not leave immediately, then per NRS 207.200 you are trespassing.
A CCW does not give a person the right to carry a weapon onto private property if signs are posted, however, if you are asked to leave, you have to leave, no arguing, no whining, GO. After being told to leave, if Scott would have gone to the car, and secured his guns, he would be alive today. No question.
To LVBear:
"The CIT (Crisis Intervention Team) was called for, but never responded."
How do you know a CIT officer did not respond? Or was on the way? Do you know which officers are or are not trained CIT? In this case, the officers on radio said that shots were fired, and that Scott had pointed a gun at him. There was no time for CIT, no negotiating, no pleading with him to leave. He had the chance to leave when the manager told him to go, when confronted he chose his destiny, and pointed a gun at the police.
By Longtimevegan
Aug. 2, 2010
11:53 p.m.
The victim what not confrontational, nor violent.
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How do you know that?
By sportyyetpratical
Aug. 3, 2010
12:06 a.m.
"An officer then yells that shots have been fired. An officer reports a "413," or a gun, was pointed in his direction."
There you are. Scott never fired a weapon so why did an officer say shots were fired and then proceed to shoot the man as he was leaving the store?
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The officer didn't yell that Erik Scott fired shots. The police fired. Therefore shots were fired.
The order in which events are communicated on a radio are not necessarily how events occurred chronologically. There was a lot going on.
By SusanKH
Aug. 3, 2010
1:59 a.m.
What ensued when Erik and his girlfriend exited the door, and is most troubling to me, is the total absence of command and control on the part of the three Metro officers. There was no command structure, and they were without control over their thoughts and actions.
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Wow. And they didn't already have the parking lot secured either. Nor did they already have the ambulance idling next to the tire rack where they had already planned to shoot Erik Scott dead. And they hadn't already conducted a cross examination of the Costco employee to make sure there really, really was an armed man who refused to leave the store.
Jesus wept.
I have to admit that I shop a costco weekly and I have never seen the place evacutated. I have seen several people acting irrational when trying to get a pig in a blanket on a toothpick. Seriously, how must the guy have been acting in order to EVACUATE the building?
I cant believe how many people are against the people who serve and protect us everyday. This is a very sad and tragic story, do you really think they would shoot him for the hell of it. Everyday they put there lives on the line for us. I know they have saved me a couple of times and I thank god everyday for that. They didnt know who or what kind of person Scott was or that he had a license to carry a gun they were reacting to a call they recieved from Costco. There has been so many tragic stories where someone has walked into a public place and started shooting and many lives have been lost. The police do not know how any situation is going to turn out. There are bad people in every profession but I dont think this is the case. You cant judge them for what they have done! No one knows the whole story yet. Thank you to all the police officers out there who risks there lives for us everyday.
By LVBear
Aug. 2, 2010
9:54 p.m.
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Why don't you try for a Nobel Prize in literature? That's the beginning of a great work of fiction you have there.
devil dog. if we are going to state NRS lets get it correct.
NRS 207.200 Unlawful trespass upon land; warning against trespassing.
1. Unless a greater penalty is provided pursuant to NRS 200.603, any person who, under circumstances not amounting to a burglary:
(a) Goes upon the land or into any building of another with intent to vex or annoy the owner or occupant thereof, or to commit any unlawful act; or
(b) Willfully goes or remains upon any land or in any building after having been warned by the owner or occupant thereof not to trespass,
E is guilty of a misdemeanor. The meaning of this subsection is not limited by subsections 2 and 4.
assuming that a clerk (non manager/no authority) is an occupant(personally i dont think that qualifies), are you suggesting that for commiting a misdemeanor he deserved to die?
full_deck & DevilDog - Nice to see Metro police officers on here trying to talk down to the public like you guys usually do in the course of your job. What a bunch of Gestapo pricks you guys are. Seriously grow a spine and realize that your "brothers" effed up. I know there was no gun pointed at these officers. I'm good friends with one of these officers best friend and this officer has told the truth to him which he told to me. Unfortunatly one of your officers who has murdered before got trigger happy and the other officers made a huge mistake by joining in with him in this firing squad.
FACT;
Sheriff Gillespie is doing his department a great disservice by not being forthcoming as to Metro's
actions that fateful day @Costco.
At this time, Metro is ACUTELY AWARE of EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.
The fact that they haven't discussed these findings publicly AT ALL is what has the majority of people questioning their Modus Operandi, and adds substantially to their "image problems", and the community's angst about their police dept.
This isn't about "cop apologists" or "cop haters",
it's about THE TRUTH.
FACT;
Sheriff Gillespie is doing his department a great disservice by not being forthcoming as to Metro's
actions that fateful day @Costco.
At this time, Metro is ACUTELY AWARE of EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.
The fact that they haven't discussed these findings publicly AT ALL is what has the majority of people questioning their Modus Operandi, and adds substantially to their "image problems", and the community's angst about their police dept.
This isn't about "cop apologists" or "cop haters",
it's about THE TRUTH.
Woops!
Carry a gun into a public place is STUPID. YOU DESERVE TO BE SHOT. Idiots.
What happened if he got mugged on his way out by some kids, who stole that gun to shoot you?
Handguns are good for one thing, killing people.
Incognito Rebel-- another one upset he couldn't figure out how to fill out the LVMPD application correctly. Also, as Sarah Palin would say, doesn't have the "Cojones" to go out and protect people.. ha ha, don't call the police next time you need them if you hate them so much. Remember, we go to help those who hate us just the same as we go to those who appreciate us.
the cops on this board are a joke. s**t will hit the fan when 60 minutes and the feds get involved in your corrupt department. it's happening, and it's about time, frankly. this shoot first, get off at the rigged inquest, and kill again bs is over.
A simple formula for tragedy, really:
(Testosterone + Adrenaline) X 413's = Death
Sprinkle with confusion, agitation and chaos, and the outcome is tragic.
full_deck wrote:
By LVBear
Aug. 2, 2010
9:54 p.m.
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Why don't you try for a Nobel Prize in literature? That's the beginning of a great work of fiction you have there.
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On what points do we disagree?
<s**t will hit the fan when 60 minutes and the feds get involved in your corrupt department.>
Both 60 Minutes and the Feds will be waiting awhile to investigate Metro, since if they are indeed a corrupt department, are one of many in the United States.
Stuff like this happens in a lot of departments across the country; why should Vegas be singled out by 60 Minutes or Dateline or any one of those investigative news shows.
PS I personally don't think Metro is corrupt; accidental shootings are not part of corruption. Metro just needs beter training.
so many good posts from gmag39 & summerlincc & lvbear...full-deck not so good ...too closed minded...
let me say this the levels of incompetence are off the charts for all aspects / areas of this tragic event that was so unneccessary...it starts with costco ... they got the ball rolling.... insufficiently trained costco personnel who simply exagerated everything they observed ....metro responding in hyper mode over kill {yeah i feel comfortable using that term seeing they shot this man in the arm the chest & then 5 times in the back while he was down}...this little bitty audio is a joke...and then to initiate a seatbelt campaign ...i mean everyone can see its only diversion smoke and mirrors ...what damn shame ....
Sevenhills - You are an idiot. I OPEN CARRY every where I go. Never been harassed by Metro or anyone else for that matter. I've never been asked to leave a business.
My husband has a CCW. He has never been shot either. He was "interrogated" by a welfare retard in Walmart on the 1st of the month before, but that's about it.
Could it possibly be because we don't act like fools while carrying? We do not draw attention to ourselves.
sportsguy702 wrote:
"(b) Willfully goes or remains upon any land or in any building after having been warned by the owner or occupant thereof not to trespass"
If asked by a "representitive of the owner," (any employee) to leave, then you are "willfully remains upon any land or in any building," the "asking" of a person to "leave" is the "warning" that you are not welcome, and are now trespassing.
He was asked to leave, and refused = trespassing.
Pulled a gun on police = police felt threatened and used the minimal amount of force required to get this guy to stop pointing a gun at them.
If anyone thinks that the police should have tried to "tackle" or a "knock to the head" then perhaps they should become cops and try to handle situations that way. Oh wait, then their family would be attending a funeral.
JSpence,
If you were in fact asked to leave a store because you were armed, would you leave or try to argue with the employees?
I'm guessing you would not argue and try to intimidate them with claiming to be a green beret.
I support open carry, but I also believe that the business has the first and last word on wether or not weapons are allowed on their property.
If signs are posted, there is no need for an employee to even say anything, don't bring in a gun,but if asked to leave GET OUT.
Do I need a permit to carry an aluminum baseball bat?
Why should only the bad guys be allowed to carry a gun??!!
Why do so many also say "why did he take a gun into Costco?" Do you think it would have been better for him to leave it in his vehicle so that someone (i.e. a bad guy) could have stolen it?
Would an undercover police officer with a concealed weapon, been treated differently by the Costco employee?
If I have a CCW & I stop at Costco or any other store while I'm out doing my business, I would rather keep my weapon secured in my possesion rather than let someone steal it out of my vehicle. METRO wouldn't even respond if I called to say my car was broken into, I'd have to go to a sub-station to file a report!
By Longtimevegan
Aug. 2, 2010
11:53 p.m.
The victim what not confrontational, nor violent.
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"How do you know that?" -- Full_Deck
The same way you know that the dead man pointed a gun at the officers? The same way you know the dead man was acting irrational. The same way you know the dead man did not obey police orders. The same way you know Metro officers justly killed this man.
Still trying to figure out why Scott was carrying 2 handguns since he was not a LEO.
Also would like to know why he got out of the Army since he was a West Point grad.
If all 3 officers fired their weapons simultaneously, then they all felt threatened and probably reasonably so. If 2 of them fired out of response to the officer next to them firing his weapon first, then that's a tough call.
Do all Green Berets get their canteens at Costco? This guy was an obvious wannabe that became a danger to society when he strapped on his "courage".
Devil dog,
where are you getting the term "representative of the owner" ??? it is not in the NRS that you quoted.... you can not make up terms and insert them in the law.... sorry.
the problem with you is that your mind is swayed. to you all people are bad until they prove different... thats the downside of becoming a cop.
you say he pulled a gun and 7 people at the scene say he didnt.... you werent there and they were, i think i will believe them(unless the video shows different).
i do believe that deadly force should have been used if he pointed his weapon. i think police should be able to fire if they feel threatened for their life. however, if the officer F'd up then i think he needs to be a man and admit it and accept full responsibility for his actions.
First things first, a man is dead and that is a tragedy regardless. However, unless you were at the scene and saw everything (not heard the shots than turned to see what happened) why not just shut up as you will not have anything other than hearsay to contribute. A coroners inquest will be held. Regardless of the outcome, witnesses on both sides will be heard and all other evidence introduced. At this point cop haters are only hearing what they want to convict the cops, the other side is hearing only what they want to exonerate. Let the process happen prior to judgement.
Let me get this straight.
Police were called because he was accused of being on drugs and throwing stuff, then it's later said he has a conciliated carry firearm.
They evacuate the store.
Scott exits the front door, Costco employee yells it's him!
Police tap Scott on the shoulder and shout conflicting demands. He is then tazered, shot in the shoulder, groin, then 5 times in the back while on the ground.
Care was delayed.
After he died they found another gun at the hospital.
Video evidence was lost.
Original police public statements say:
Police say when they approached the suspect, he drew a weapon and pointed it at officers. After refusing to drop the weapon, three officers fired multiple rounds, striking the suspect numerous times.
Never was it said he was actually under some influence but some people still bring it up.
More witnesses come forward that state the police story was wrong.
http://www.mynews3.com/story.php?id=2401...
@SaltyDog:
1. You don't have to be a LEO to carry a weapon. Many people have CCW permits. Scott happened to be a medical device salesman that dealt with pacemaker. Heart failure pacemakers can cost from $35K to $50K. If you're driving around the streets of Vegas going to hospitals in some less than great areas with a $50K piece of equipment, you might carry a gun, too.
2. Scott left the Army under what was known as the Voluntary Early Release/Retirement Program. During the 90's, the Army was drawing down and was looking for volunteers to leave active duty. He was still subject to recall for 6 years after he left active duty.
Metro doesn't believe anyone else should own a gun--period. They have routinely hassled and arrested citizens legally carrying a gun and continue to do so. I believe very little that the police propaganda machine says in these cases. They cover each other no matter how wrong they are and it is nearly impossible to get the truth.
The tapes don't reveal anything and aren't even the real tapes. All you morons demanding the video and tapes should know that there's a court case pending so evidence can't be released until then or it may be considered tainted! Just remember to erase 911 off your speed dial since the cops and firemen are such scumbags and you all can fend for yourselves!!
Why is it taking Metro so long to release it's doctored version of the video? Why don't they just say the cameras weren't functioning?
By unlv702
Aug. 3, 2010
12:08 p.m.
"How do you know that?" -- Full_Deck
The same way you know that the dead man pointed a gun at the officers? The same way you know the dead man was acting irrational. The same way you know the dead man did not obey police orders. The same way you know Metro officers justly killed this man.
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I haven't claimed to know any of these things or even to have a strong opinion either way. My dispute is with the people who are cherrypicking news reports and howling that the police are guilty based on that alone.
By Noindex
Aug. 3, 2010
12:44 p.m.
If all 3 officers fired their weapons simultaneously, then they all felt threatened and probably reasonably so. If 2 of them fired out of response to the officer next to them firing his weapon first, then that's a tough call.
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The whole, entire concept of two of the officers firing Pavlov-like when another officer fired originated in the imagination of SummerlinCC and others are now plagiarizing his literary efforts. He should sue them for a copyright violation.
It's obvious that some of you have not been in town for a very long time. I remember when I first moved here, it was no big deal to see somebody walking into a store openly carrying a holstered gun.
Nevada is an open carry state.
You had a bone head Costco Employee trump up the situation and relayed the call to 911... which relayed the message to Metro and got their adrenaline flowing.
Which resulted in Erik getting pumped with lead SEVEN TIMES.
Hey kids... I hate to tell you this... but if this guy was Black.. AL Sharpton, Jessie Jackson and friends would have all converged on this town and would be protesting Metro and asking for boycotts of Las Vegas due to the Police using EXCESSIVE FORCE...
SEVEN SHOTS? The Ft. Hood shooter only got Four.. and he was actually shooting people.
Sorry... SEVEN SHOTS to somebody who did not even shoot once is hard to defend.
Due to Erik's job and potential future income... the over / under on this one that will be rewarded to his family is $5 Million.
Geez... if these Metro Officers were in Afghanistan and shot up a Terrorist Seven times they would be thrown in Jail and Court Martialed.
The reason that they stress he was a West Point Graduate, is because it isn't easy to do. West Point was founded in 1802. Since that time there have been less than 80000 graduates. Most classes graduate around 800 students per year. UNLV graduates more than 3000 each year . Only 1000 students are admitted each year, out of 10000 applicants. To apply, you need to be appointed by a member of Congress, and meet some very high academic, athletic and moral standards. When I say high, I am talking top 10% academically of your high school class, have to lettered in a varsity sport, and been in leadership positions in high school and community. If you look at the US News and World Report list of top schools in the US, you will consistently find West Point, and the other service academies in the top 20 nation wide. If you study the history of the US, you will find that most of it was made by West Point grads, including 2 presidents. Name five generals that you know and at least 4 of the 5 will have been West Point grads.
I shopped at this Costco when it first opened and many times since. Near the front door in big letters is a very obvious sign that says "No Weapons Allowed Inside". It was the first thing I noticed and I have no reason to even pay attention to something like that. Even if you have a CCW you are not allowed to take your weapon with you into an establishment that has a sign like this at the door. Yes people with CCW's are allowed to carry their weapons and I support that but a business has a right to not allow weapons into their store and that is why they post the sign. If he didn't see it then when asked to leave he should have simply left. I'm sorry he got shot but he should have left the store when he was asked to leave and none of this would have ever happened. As far as the people trying to blame Metro...All they knew is that there was a guy with a gun that refused to leave the store. When he pulled his gun out of his waistband whether or not he pointed it they're not going to stop and ask him if he went to Westpoint. Once things were obviously out of hand why didn't he just get on the ground and let Metro find his guns? Anyone with a CCW should know better bottom line. I wonder about his state of mind as well as some other posters and have to wonder if this was some sort of "suicide by cop" thing.
By Active1
Aug. 3, 2010
2:59 p.m.
<Let me get this straight.
Police were called because he was accused of being on drugs and throwing stuff, then it's later said he has a conciliated carry firearm.>
I don't see a contadiction there.
<They evacuate the store.
Scott exits the front door, Costco employee yells it's him!>
I don't recall any reports of a Costco employee yelling.
<Police tap Scott on the shoulder and shout conflicting demands.>
"Get on your knees" and "Drop the gun" are not conflicting demands.
<He is then tazered, shot in the shoulder, groin, then 5 times in the back while on the ground.>
This comes from here:
"Goodman said Scott was shot seven times, including once in the chest, once in the shoulder, and five times in the back while he was on the ground."
http://www.lvrj.com/news/witness-list-de...
That is Ross Goodman, the attorney who is going to have a sweet payday if he can prejudice future potential jurors in a wrongful death case. SummerlinCC says he's sure that Ross Goodman is simply quoting a coroner's report verbatim. Would the coroner have been able to accurately determine if the gunshots were inflicted while Erik Scott was lying face down? Did the coroner even say any of this? How do some people here know that shots weren't fired before he was prone? Seven shots from three police officers would take about a total of three seconds. My opinion is that we will see the evidence at the inquest. In the meantime I will decline to believe everything an attorney with a monetary interest in the case has to say.
Additionally, if Erik Scott actually did go for his gun then the possibility that he was shot in the back is irrelevant. If you were a police officer and someone was going for a gun to shoot another police officer what would you do? Not shoot him if he didn't turn around? Ridiculous assumption.
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By Active1
Aug. 3, 2010
2:59 p.m.
<Video evidence was lost.>
Video evidence wasn't lost. They sent it to a forensics lab in Southern California because they were having trouble accessing it. Do you really think if they are trying to cover up something that they would send it to an outside, probably private, video forensics lab? Just how many people and organizations are in on this plot?
<Original police public statements say:
Police say when they approached the suspect, he drew a weapon and pointed it at officers. After refusing to drop the weapon, three officers fired multiple rounds, striking the suspect numerous times.>
<More witnesses come forward that state the police story was wrong.>
Don't you consider your statement just a little bit one-sided?:
"Witnesses give wildly differing accounts. Investigators have talked with more than 40 witnesses, including more than a dozen who said they saw a gun in Scott's hand when he was shot. Review-Journal reporters talked to several witnesses who said they saw no gun and three who said Scott appeared to reach for his gun, but could not say he actually pointed it at the officers."
http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/an-anxious-p...
Someone making a false statement to a police investigator can be charged with a crime. Someone making false statements to the news media can't be charged with anything.
By IncognitoRebel
Aug. 3, 2010
8:28 a.m.
full_deck & DevilDog - Nice to see Metro police officers on here trying to talk down to the public like you guys usually do in the course of your job. What a bunch of Gestapo pricks you guys are. Seriously grow a spine and realize that your "brothers" effed up. I know there was no gun pointed at these officers. I'm good friends with one of these officers best friend and this officer has told the truth to him which he told to me. Unfortunatly one of your officers who has murdered before got trigger happy and the other officers made a huge mistake by joining in with him in this firing squad.
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That is a supremely stupid comment. I have never had the slightest desire to be a police officer and I have, in fact, been a victim of police mistreatment in the past. I'm just not stupid enough to think that every police officer is guilty of the same mindset or behavior.
It's an additionally stupid assumption that I consider the police officers innocent of improper behavior in this case. They could well be. Or, Erik Scott could be. I'm just not willing, like you, to assume that either is guilty without seeing reliable evidence which should be presented at the inquest. If you feel a compulsion to do so, go ahead but don't expect to not get called on it.
OMG! I have always been be
sides Metro, by saying, there ar few bad apples. If this crime goes unpunished, I personally derserve to go to hell. I will take my punishment.
By VegasShells
Aug. 3, 2010
10:03 p.m.
I wonder about his state of mind as well as some other posters and have to wonder if this was some sort of "suicide by cop" thing.
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I think we also have to wonder if some of the "contradicting statements" in the news media are coming from some of the people posting here who are so anxious to convict the police without evidence. Were they home watching television when it happened and then ran down to Costco to talk to the news media? "Contradicting statements" which are just as biased, one-sided, and non-reality based as their comments here. "Contradicting statements" that they'll shrink from repeating under oath.
By IncognitoRebel
Aug. 3, 2010
8:28 a.m.
I'm good friends with one of these officers best friend and this officer has told the truth to him which he told to me.
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If you don't know the officer how do you know the officer considers your friend his best friend. And if everyone is such good friends why don't you know the officer directly? Please.
To Devildog: 'If Scott was asked to leave the store', so was he asked to do so? It'll be in the Costco video,right along with his crazed behavior, right? Or did a guy with a $7.50/hr. hardon just have hissy and call in a BS 911 call? Unless Scott was acting crazy and on drugs as the 911 call claimed, why the 911 call in the first place? Aren't 911 calls supposed to be for emergencies? Why was there near hysteria by the Costco workers? Why the evacuation? And wasn't Scott exiting the store peacefully when the three Vegas Vigilantes started shooting him? It must have sounded like a firing squad from the Police Academy; My God! How many shots were into his back? Wasn't his weapon encased in its holster when the Regulators pulled down on him and gave him seven reasons not to piss off the hissy Costco staff. Boycott Costco!
Part One of Two:
I just wonder why Metro won't release the 911 tapes. The Nevada Revised Statutes don't seem to support withholding their release unless there is a "criminal investigation."
Let's take a look at the 911 stuff:
NRS 239.01 O(l) provides, in pertinent part:
All public books and public records of a governmental entity, the contents of
which are not otherwise declared by law to be confidential, must he open at alll times during office hours to inspection by any person. and may be fully copied or an
abstract or memorandum may be prepared horn those public books and public
records. Any such copies, abstracts or memoranda may be used to supply the general
public with copies, abstracts or memoranda of the records or may be used in any other way to the advantage of the government entity of the general public. . . .
'The foregoing statute broadly declares that all "public records" which are not declared by law to be confidential based upon a proper request. The tern "public record" is not defined in the NRS. However, "A public record, strictly speaking, is one made by a public officer in pursuance of a duty, the immediate purpose of which is to disseminate information to the public. or to serve as a memorial for public reference." A record is a "public record" if it is required by law to be kept or is necessary to be kept in the discharge of a duty imposed by law. Mathew v. Pyle. 75 Ariz. 76,25 1 P.2d 893 (Ariz. 1952).
91 1 Call Records
The communication made to a 911 emergency service operated by a police department are frequently key elements in the department's discharge of its duty to enforce the criminal law, as well as necessary to provide fire, medical and other assistance to the public. Such duties clearly necessitate the keeping of a record of such emergency communications, and the Courts have repeatedly found that the records kept of 911 calls are generally "public records."' There for, unless an exception (see below) exists, a copy of a dispatch 91 1 recording must be made available to a person making a proper (i.e., written) request.
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Part Two of Two:
Exceptions to Release of 911 Call Records
The general rule of disclosure is not absolute and certain exceptions apply. If a 911 emergency call or dispatch log relates to criminal activity and there is a pending criminal investigation or prosecution, it is subject to the criminal investigation exception and disclosure of the record becomes subject to the "balancing lest" set forth in Donrey of Nevada. Inc.. vs. Bradshaw, 106 Nev. 630, 798 P.23d 144 (1990) (recognizing common law limitations on disclosure and adopting the balancing test) and DR Partners v. Board of County Commissioners. Nev. 616, 6 P.3d 465 (2000). The "balancing test" weighs the public interest for disclosure against the governmental interest in preventing disclosure. If a criminal investigation or prosecution is pending, there is a very strong governmental interest in preventing disclosure which outweighs the public's interest in releasing the records. The weightier governmental interest creates an exception to the general rule requiring disclosure, and such records must not be released. Additional exceptions concern sensitive 911 calls pertaining to juvenile activities.' incidents involving sexual assault, and suicides.
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Regardless, why don't they just release the tapes? What do they gain by delaying the release? If they aren't released until the Coroner's Inquest doesn't that prejudice the proceedings? Does that mean the Scott family won't hear the tapes until then?
What's the point is delaying their release?
The results of another investigation reveals the M.O. in police misconduct situations:
The report said Carpenter and Ubbens ignored three separate commands to discontinue the pursuit. At one point, Ubbens attempted to end the chase by using the Precision Intervention Technique, also called PIT, to bump Carrillo's car and spin it out of control. However, Carrillo regained control and continued to drive north on Lamb.
Ubbens initially told Metropolitan Police Department homicide investigators he did not use PIT on Carrillo's car, but later changed his story.
"It was only after the first interview had concluded and Officer Ubbens had time to think, did he request to change his statement," the report said.
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Does this mean it is possible that Metro officer would lie to get out of trouble?
Contrary to the spin put out by his lawyer, Erik Scott wasn't acting innocent, harmless or playful, he was destroying merchandise which brought the attention of Costco Security. Erik's guilty obnoxious and possible criminal behavior was inexcusable. Behave like an adult.
Erik's dad admits that conflicting orders may have confused Erik and that he may have raised his gun in opposition to the get on the ground order.
Any legitimate witnesses have no obligation to talk to Erik's lawyers.
Until proven otherwise, I give Metro the benefit of the doubt.
By Cognastics
Aug. 4, 2010
6:19 a.m.
Does this mean it is possible that Metro officer would lie to get out of trouble?
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Since Ubbens wasn't involved in the Costco shooting what's your point?
The police say there are more than twelve witnesses who saw a gun in Erik Scott's hand when he was shot. Are they in on it, too?
By bullmoose556
Aug. 4, 2010
1:39 a.m.
And wasn't Scott exiting the store peacefully when the three Vegas Vigilantes started shooting him?
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The police say there are more than twelve witnesses who saw a gun in Erik Scott's hand when he was shot. Is that what you call peaceful? Or, do you think the police are lying about those more than twelve witnesses? Or do you think there are more than twelve witnesses in on the plot to whitewash the murder of a completely innocent man killed by maniacal police officers?
The Costco store is private property. When asked to leave with his weapon, Erik Scott should have politely complied. The Supreme Court of Nebraska (a concealed carry state) sided with Walmart in a very similar case. A private property owners rights (costco) trumps right to carry laws should they ban weapons on business premises. The fact that Scott argued, became abusive & destructive shows that he was not stable enough to carry a concealed weapon, nor did he understand the law. I must assume he used the same poor judgment when confronted by police (who, by the way were put in a very bad situation by this heroic green beret.)
If I were a cop on that call - living through my shift would be priority one and if I had to make a split-second judgment I would probably shoot.
And you wonder why some people don't video tape an encounter with police officers.
This video serves as the epitome of a rogue police mentality that only amplifies people's disgust with police conduct in general.
Like the argument many people on this site make "If you aren't committing a crime, why are you so concerned." Well, follow the same logic and if you aren't engaged in unlawful conduct why are you so up in arms because you are video recorded in a public place engaged in a public function?
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/...
Release the 911 call and the NAME of the Costco employee that made the call. The more they delay the more guilty LVMPD looks. Show your support of Mr. Scott and cut your Costco card in half, Sam's has a great store and won't have you killed for shopping there. Sheriff Gillespie needs to go, a "sticker campaign" will not help. DA Rogers also needs to be replaced sooner then later. Install dash cams in all LVMPD cars and cameras on all police officer uniforms. Drug test all police officers involved in a shooting, especially fatal ones! RIP Erik Scott.
@full_deck
No one is claiming a man was killed by a maniacal police officer. Most are claiming that the facts as they stand appear to contradict Metro's continued and steadfast support of its officers.
See, the problem with this support is that Metro will rush to support what an officer claims w/out anything more than the officers own statement.
This steadfast philosophy is counterproductive for law enforcement because, logically, Metro's support is biased. "He is one of us, therefore, we must support him."
When you have people engaged in the lawful use of deadly force against another human and have a duty to enforce the law, there is a high standard that is imposed on this person. When you have a law enforcement agency who will jump to the defense of any officer w/out first conducting a full unbiased investigation, there is a problem.
If it is the policy of law enforcement to adamantly support their "own," why are you so surprised and up in arms that people will question what is clearly a biased policy of support?
If you don't like the way police deal with mad dogs like this, move, no one asks any of you wet liberal cop haters to stay. America, love it or get out.
@lordglenmore
If you don't like the 2nd amendment and the right to bear arms, then leave! If you don't like the 14th amendment to the Constitution then leave! If you don't like our President then leave! If you don't like that Liberals have control of both the House and the Senate, and the White House! Then Move! What are you doing here? Clearly you people do NOT represent the majority as shown by control of both houses and the White House.
So the question: What are you doing here? Why are you complaining! Get out of here! Go back to wherever you came from! Leave!
I love how inquiring minds who have the audacity to question Metro's actions automatically become cop haters and liberals. If you can't make an argument without resorting to name-calling, perhaps your side is lacking merit.
The 911 tapes which were "released" on YouTube are incomplete and in fact, they are missing the most relevant section, the audio containing the contradictory commands the three officers shouted at Erik Scott.
Hey Metro, if you are going to stand behind this 911 tape, maybe you shouldn't have released a snippet of the missing section last week. Metro Captain Neville stated that the officers' commands were clearly heard on the ORIGINAL 911 tape and we heard one officer yell, "Hit the ground." Geez, at least get all of your ducks in a row BEFORE trying to hoodwink the public.
This isn't the official release of the ORIGINAL 911 tape. But you are sure trying to have the public believe it. I wonder who notified all of the local news organizations about the week-old YouTube existence of this audio tape. Hmmmm.
A for Effort. F for Execution (no pun intended).
I just have several questions. How does a man that was requested to leave for the safety of other patrons at Costco be allowed to make it through the check out line then go and wait in line to have his receipt checked by the employee at the door?
Second, if a person was conceived as a threat, why did the officer tap the man on shoulder? If he was concerned for the safety of the other patrons and was that close to the suspect could he just taken him down physically by hand with the help of his partners?
And this is my last question... If the 911 call came in as: there is a man acting like he is on drugs, destroying product, carring a gun and won't leave the store
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there is a man in the store opening packages and is putting them back and forth in his bag and when told he had to leave because he had a gun under his shirt and it not permitted in the store he refused to leave and is debating with the other store employee....
and now the question... would the police handled it differently based on how the information the was given by the caller?
VegasSucks:
Good point about the cops claiming to have a 911 tape of the moments just before the killing that contained the cops commands to get drown/drop it, but it appears to be a different tape than the one you are referring to in your post.
I'd copy/paste what Captain Neville claimed for the convenience of you and other readers, but there's a good chance the bottom-feeders from that crosstown paper would probably sue The Sun. Of course, I could provide a link to the article, but I'm not sure I could sleep if I sent them more readers.
Hope you understand.
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Isn't it a bit telling that a conservative leaning paper whose parent company pretty much gives the max in campaign contributions to the republican party and its ilk would file so many lawsuits after it and the republican party it supports claims the country needs tort reform?
Oh yeah, and super big bucks for Bushes inauguration parties!
Just a reminder, there is no evidence that Scott was asked to leave the store.
We know a Costco employee told Scott that weapons weren't permitted. We know that Scott replied by saying he had a CCW and was carrying legally. At this point, we can't be sure if Scott thought he had adequately answered the employee's questions and that the matter was done. We don't know if the Costco employee was afraid to ask a guy with a gun to leave the store or if the Costco employee figured he'd "teach" Scott a lesson. What we do know is that the description of Scott's behavior given to the 911 dispatcher does not match the eyewitness descriptions of Scott's behavior inside the store.
@full_deck, you say "The whole, entire concept of two of the officers firing Pavlov-like when another officer fired originated in the imagination of SummerlinCC and others are now plagiarizing his literary efforts.
you apparently know very little about firearms."
You apparently know very little about firearms or stress reactions. I suggest that you Google "Sympathetic Nervous System Reaction Firing" and tell us what you find. It's a reaction that law enforcement and military personnel train to prevent. I mean granted, you probably wouldn't know first-hand, but at least try to educate yourself before posting.
I just love the morons who come on here and post all of these wonderful conspiracy theories and possible scenarios, like they were right there and saw what happened. Stop trying to scratch your action itch by trying to put yourself in the Police Officer's shoes. If you jones action then apply for METRO and see if you qualify. And while you are doing that let the Inquest process do it's job. Honestly, posting a bunch of garbage here is not helping anyone.
In an interview a few days ago, the Sheriff said that they had not been able to get any images off the video and wasn't sure that they would ever be able to get video. Let's think a minute. Who is paying the company in CA? Would that be Metro? Hello. Why not get the video back and send it to the FBI labs to see what they can do.
By unlv702
Aug. 4, 2010
11:17 a.m.
No one is claiming a man was killed by a maniacal police officer. Most are claiming that the facts as they stand appear to contradict Metro's continued and steadfast support of its officers.
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About 80% of the posters here are saying that Erik Scott was an absolute angel and the three police officers are maniacal killers. Are you on the right comments page?
You're going to be, correction, should be a little embarrassed if it turns out that there are more than twelve witnesses who saw a gun in Erik Scott's hand before police shot him.
By SummerlinCC
Aug. 4, 2010
6:16 p.m.
@full_deck, you say "The whole, entire concept of two of the officers firing Pavlov-like when another officer fired originated in the imagination of SummerlinCC and others are now plagiarizing his literary efforts.
You apparently know very little about firearms or stress reactions. I suggest that you Google "Sympathetic Nervous System Reaction Firing" and tell us what you find. It's a reaction that law enforcement and military personnel train to prevent. I mean granted, you probably wouldn't know first-hand, but at least try to educate yourself before posting.
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So I guess the next reasonable question for you is how you're so cocksure that two of the police officers had a sudden attack of "Sympathetic Nervous System Reaction Firing" in response to a third police officers trigger happy, maniacal murder of undoubtedly angelic Erik Scott.
You seem to really be going for a Nobel Prize in literature. I have to admire your imagination.
By the way, I learned to shoot a handgun when I was five years old, I've used a handgun to repel an intruder, and on three different occasions I have had high powered rifles pointed at me with the threat to kill. I won't bother going into the knives. Spare me the "Mr. Expert" act.
By Tanker1975
Aug. 4, 2010
8:52 p.m.
In an interview a few days ago, the Sheriff said that they had not been able to get any images off the video and wasn't sure that they would ever be able to get video. Let's think a minute. Who is paying the company in CA? Would that be Metro? Hello. Why not get the video back and send it to the FBI labs to see what they can do.
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Metro sent the video discs to a private forensics lab in Southern California with instructions to erase them? Is that your implication and do you think that's rational?
By SummerlinCC
Aug. 4, 2010
6:01 p.m.
Just a reminder, there is no evidence that Scott was asked to leave the store.
We know a Costco employee told Scott that weapons weren't permitted.
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That means "please remove your weapon(s) from the store". At least to someone who understamds basic English. But I guess that, for SummerlinCC, West Point graduates aren't expected to understand basic English.
By SummerlinCC
Aug. 4, 2010
6:01 p.m.
What we do know is that the description of Scott's behavior given to the 911 dispatcher does not match the eyewitness descriptions of Scott's behavior inside the store.
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More of SummerlinCC's ongoing series in "If someone said they didn't see him do that then he must not have done that." It just isn't possible that Erik Scott did something while they weren't looking, is it? Of course, if someone does say they saw him do that then they're liars.
HEY LORD GLENMORE, I'm not leaving this Country, the LAND THAT I WILL FIGHT FOR! YOU GET OUT!!!
Isn't it interesting that you post your name as lordglenmore, I just broke it down into what you are really saying!! YOU COULDN'T FIGHT YOU WAY OUT A PAPER BAG!
Would those eyewitnesses be the couple that saw him opening the package to see how many would fit? How many other 911 calls did Metro get from inside Costco? In the recent Conn. shooting, 911 was literally ringing off the hook. And by the way, those 911 tapes have been released, and that is an ongoing investigation. Court decisions in one state(NEB) are not binding in any other state. The only court decisions that are binding are Federal courts.
@darthbry. The Coroner's Inquest doesn't work that way. The case is prepared by Metro, given to the DA, who presents it to the Inquest. It is not a court proceding. It is run by a Special Master, not a judge. The family of the deceased is not represented in any way in the process. They may not call witnesses or present evidence, nor do they have the right to cross-examine witnesses. Any questions from the family must be presented to the Special Master who decides if they can be asked at all.
@Fulldeck. Just questioning, in the past week, we have seen video from banks showing robbery suspects, video from convience stores, and they can't get images from the video in a major store, and aren't sure they will ever get images. How did it get damaged? It's just one more part of an investigation that raises more questions than it answers. We can get video when it helps Metro, why not this video? If this private company can't do something with it, send it someplace else like the FBI.
Tanker 1975, I agree with you 100%!!!
By Tanker1975
Aug. 5, 2010
7:47 a.m.
. . . in the past week, we have seen video from banks showing robbery suspects, video from convience stores, and they can't get images from the video in a major store, and aren't sure they will ever get images. How did it get damaged?
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I don't recall anyone saying it was damaged. There will be more information at the inquest. That's the purpose of an inquest.
I just got a e-mail, from someone with the pen name of "lectorcuda". Well, if yout think you are going to scare me, think AGAIN! How this NUT got my e-mail address baffles me. If YOU want to take me on "lectrocuda", put down your taser and gun, I don't own either. You challenge me?, well, I will challenge you back, with some simple hand-to-hand combat, lets see who wins. I don't know if you are male or female, but either way, you are a Pu##y. GET ME NOW????
Sounds like between the DA and Metro, they finally might have come up with a plan on how to cover this story up. In my book, the Sheriff is the "Godfather" and Metro is his executioners. Why would Metro send out letters to all that was at Costco, when there was witneses outside that have seen what happened? I would not be surprised if the tapes have been tamper with to show a different event then what the witnesses seen. On another note, I would highly suggest that all CCW holders purchase a bullet proof vest to protect themselves against bad cops. I know that if you commit a crime with it on, that you can face felony charges, but most likely law abiding CCW holders will not commit crimes. I just think that CCW holders will need the bullet proof vest to protect against the trigger happy cops. I would rather sit in the witness chair and explain to the jury as to why I wore a vest to protect myself against these bad cops. One more point,,, why the local media not pursue this cover up. Seems they are part of the problem of not aggressively pursuing this horrific crime by Metro Police.