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The coin slot area at Eastside Cannery is one of the most popular parts of the casino, especially with those nostalgic for the trappings of vintage Las Vegas.
Tuesday, April 20, 2010 | 2 a.m.
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Eastside Cannery
5255 Boulder Highway, Las Vegas
Like other casinos, the Eastside Cannery on Boulder Highway tries to keep players coming back by installing the latest and most elaborate slot machines on the market.
Yet the chairs in front of most of these glittering towers were empty on an afternoon last week, their noises and lights playing to a sparse crowd.
It’s a common scene in recession-plagued Las Vegas, where casinos are lucky to fill even half of their seats with gamblers — which makes the sights and sounds near a side entrance of the Eastside Cannery all the more unusual.
In a room off the main casino, gamblers occupy every available chair in front of a bank of red boxes that look more like small, box television sets than like modern slot machines. There are no blinking lights or animated images, only lighted glass with the words “Draw Poker” and a blue screen with images of five cards.
But the noise from these machines really sets them apart.
Modern slot floors are a rumble of recorded sounds, electronic soundtracks, voices captured from movies and television shows.
But the machines attracting the attention on this day have their own sound: the loud pinging of quarters hitting metal trays and the clink of coins as gamblers scoop them up and drop them, one by one, into the machines.
It’s the sound of old Las Vegas, resurrected.
Coin-operated slot machines have mostly been phased out of American casinos in the past several years. The Eastside Cannery is one of the first modern casinos in the country to install machines from the 1980s in an effort to appeal to older players.
It’s not that the machines couldn’t be found in Southern Nevada for those who were willing to hunt them down. The Gold Strike in Jean, for example, prides itself on using only coin slots — 32 miles south of Las Vegas. But in the valley, fewer than 20 casinos, all older properties that opened with coin slots, offer machines that accept and spit out quarters. They’re the leftover machines. Their ranks decline as casinos sell off aging slots in favor of digital ones that play faster and, in theory, make more money for casinos.
That assumption didn’t necessarily hold true at Eastside Cannery, however. The casino opened in 2008 with a bank of the Draw Poker machines — known as Fortune 1 to gambling enthusiasts — near its cashier cage. The machines were recycled from the Nevada Palace, torn down to make way for the new casino — but they were obviously popular.
“We wondered why these games were full when we’ve got all the latest and greatest games out there on the floor,” Eastside Cannery General Manager Marty Gross says. “And they were always full.”
So the casino bought more, along with a few other coin-operated machines that are no longer made. The games would get a new home near the main entrance, in a space formerly occupied by a high-limit slot room that got little use even when the economy was strong.
Like their vintage appearance, the names of these games are as basic as gambling gets: Deuces Wild, Jokers Wild, Double Diamond and Triple Diamond. A bank of “Humpback Keno” machines, their blue screens like small robotic eyes, are encased in a giant hunk of brown metal that looks out of place next to the tall, fancy games scattered about the casino.
The 56-machine “Classic Slot Room” has been a hit since it opened last month, Gross says.
“As much as people would like to think these are all in a graveyard somewhere, these machines are still out there,” he says. “And there are people who want to play them” — especially in the casino’s neighborhood, one of the oldest in Las Vegas.
Among the players is Judy Cantrell, who moved to Las Vegas in 1992 and played coin machines at Nevada Palace until it closed in early 2008.
“These are the first games I ever played,” Cantrell says. “I like the interaction that comes with using coins. You’re not just pressing a button.”
Cantrell, 68, waited up to two hours for a chance to play the Fortune 1 machines when the casino had fewer of them on the floor.
“I was here at 11 p.m. the other night and I waited 45 minutes for a machine,” she says. “Sometimes we’ll come in on a Sunday at 6 a.m. and play a little, then get some breakfast. A lot of people who come here are retired so you just take your chances as far as when you’ll get a machine.”
Although the rest of the casino is lucky to have 40 percent of its machines occupied on any given day, the coin-operated slots get used more than 60 percent of the time, Gross says.
The machines are part of an effort by the casino to offer unique attractions that help it stand out. Eastside Cannery is in the most competitive casino market in suburban Las Vegas with more than a half-dozen casinos — and two long-established giants on Boulder Highway nearby.
In the old days, casinos were constantly draining and refilling machines with coins, as well as removing jammed coins and fixing other mechanical problems. For some, gambling was a grimy, labor-intensive process involving coins that blackened hands after hours of play and filled heavy coin buckets.
Patsy Hale shows off the down side of playing coin operated gambling machines, dirty fingers, in the coin slot area at Eastside Cannery Thursday, April 15, 2010.
For 62-year-old Patsy Hale, that just makes it “more fun,” she says as she dips her hands into a bucket brimming with gleaming quarters in the Classic Slot Room.
Her husband, Jerry Hale, 64, has a more practical point of view.
“You lose your money slower playing these machines. That’s why I like ’em,” he explains.
The 20-year residents rattle off the names of casinos they have visited. All of them, such as Jerry’s Nugget and Skyline, still have a few coin-operated machines. Some, such as the Stardust, are gone.
The coin slots at Eastside Cannery “are the only reason we come here,” Jerry Hale says.
The sound of coins hitting trays, a noise carefully cultivated by manufacturers that perfected the engineering of metal and angle for the most pleasing jingle possible, is still a big part of the attraction for many players, says Anthony Curtis, publisher of Las Vegas Advisor.
“Whenever we ask people what they miss about old Las Vegas, they always bring up the coin machines,” Curtis says.
In the late 1990s, players gravitated toward coinless machines with bill acceptors and paper tickets for convenience and faster play. The change benefited casinos that were replacing older, simpler machines. At first, removing coins from the equation was a significant enough drawback for players that manufacturers compensated by building coinless slots with metal trays embedded with speakers emitting the sound of falling coins.
Over time, players became accustomed to faster digital machines that used advanced software for bigger jackpots and a higher frequency of small jackpots. More advanced machines had home entertainment features such as high-definition images, bucket seats and surround sound.
Casinos say gamblers shouldn’t expect to see many more coin-operated machines because the majority of players prefer high-tech machines.
Station Casinos, the largest operator of suburban casinos, offers only ticket machines.
“We have not yet seen a demand by our guests for the return of coin-operated slot machines,” spokeswoman Lori Nelson says.
Boyd Gaming offers coin-operated machines at its three downtown Las Vegas casinos and Sam’s Town, just up the road from Eastside Cannery.
“We have a certain portion of our players who still prefer the coin machines, but we have no plans to introduce more of them,” spokesman David Strow says. The coin machines are “exceptionally popular” with those who play them, he adds.
They’re also a big draw at El Cortez, which has one of the largest stashes of coin machines.
To General Manager Mike Nolan, these 230 or so machines are like antique cars: hard to find in good condition and more difficult to maintain.
“A lot of our employees have been here a long time, so they’re still knowledgeable about the machines,” Nolan says. “We have mechanics who have spent 20 years working on them.”
In the past couple of years, the casino has snapped up 12 coin slots to add to its inventory.
Older gamblers are more comfortable playing them, Nolan said. Some are skeptical of the new devices and how they operate, he says.
Fortune 1’s manufacturer, slot giant International Game Technology, no longer makes coin-operated slots, although it refurbishes and sells old coin machines from its Las Vegas plant.
American casinos have little use for these vintage games, but foreign ones do, says Ron Brooks, IGT vice president of gaming service and operations.
The coin machines, taken back from casinos that buy newer machines just like old cars traded in for new models, are shipped to places such as South Africa and Peru.
Nations newer to gambling lack the software and systems to support the latest machines, so it’s easier and more affordable for them to go low-tech, Brooks said.
Although his company has moved beyond coin slots, Brooks is happy to hear that the games of his youth are still in use.
They remind him of his first trip to Las Vegas in 1982, when he gambled at the Aladdin.
“I was planning to play blackjack. I played these Fortune 1 machines instead and loved them.”
Coin machines aren’t for everyone, of course.
Just ask Donovan York, Eastside Cannery’s director of slot operations and a former slot manager at the Rampart in Summerlin.
Coin slots probably wouldn’t work at the Rampart, he says, because “people on that side of town don’t like to get their hands dirty.”
This is a good step forward. Back in time, back to the roots, where it all began. These old style full-pay j-o-b machines are very popular, indeed. In fact, players can play longer with their money, for a reason explained below, and they hear the sound of the coins, which stimulates the other players sitting next to the machines. I think it's a positive way to go.
Why do playeres lose less than on any ordinary full pay jacks-or-better machine? 99.54 per cent remains 99.54 per cent or what?
Well, not quite. And the answer is actually simple: While you got to play perhaps 240 games per hour on a high tech videopoker machine, these machines do not let you play that many hands as you have to feed the machine with the coins needed for the next game first. This may take some time and while you do so, you are not losing anyhting (but you can't win anything, either, except the dirty hands you get from touching the coins).
I reckon that a coin videopoker player manages to play perhaps 3 games per minute while a full-electronic videopoker player could play up to 6 games per minute, easily.
At an average payout of 99.54 percent theoretically on the jacks-or-better version, an "old style" player manages to turn maybe 3x 1.25 usd x 60 minutes at best. So that's around 225 usd coin in per hour. On the new machines, the same skilled player could turn about twice as much, that's close to 500 usd.
Therefore, the old school player expects to lose about 1 to 2 dollars per hour from his bankroll, even by playing perfectly and getting his share of royals and all hands equally. The new generation player can expect to have double the action, and will therefore lose between 2 and 4 dollars per hour, even with optimum strategy.
We all know: Reality looks different. Very few players play perfectly, mistakes happen. Plus, Players either win more or lose more. Hardly 1 out of 100 players is exactly down 1 dollar after 1 hour of play. That's what they call variation. But the old school machines are definetely a jewel in the casino. I like to play them, too.
From Switzerland
I always proclaimed, "Bring back the coin machine and the world will beat a path to your door". Kudo's!
I forgot: The California has them, too, but in 1 dollar denominations, and I found a few of them at the Cannery and Jerry's Nugget. I think that some other casinos will also hop on that train. These machines require a little more maintenance but act like magnets to the players. They're definetely bringing back the good old times a bit..... only funny: They are also equipped with the players card slots. Don't you think these players should get food comps by simply asking the slot attendant in reach? This would be truly old style Vegas :)
From Switzerland
Good morning, Omaha, Nellis, and Wichita, Yes, the slots were always filled when the sound of the slots were being chunged with real coins instead of plastic fives and tens. The casinoes on the Indian Rez here in Mid Am. are only about a quarter filled, especially the slots which are the highest percentage of revenue for any casino.
The Mirage is either writing off the loses as capitol losses or is going to be another casino going into bankruptcy and will be sold to investors again as another Mirage.
i always thought 70% of the slot experience was hearing those coins drop out. so little in our world is analog anymore.
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Station Casinos, the largest operator of suburban casinos, offers only ticket machines.
"We have not yet seen a demand by our guests for the return of coin-operated slot machines," spokeswoman Lori Nelson says.
Another ignorant statement made by a company that knows nothing of what the customer wants. We will only play casinos that have the old slots. As another poster said, bring back the old coin slots and they will beat a path to your door. I haven't been to a Station casino since they went coinless and do not miss Stations.
Way to go East Side Cannery! Every casino in the state should be doing this!!! I'm lovin it!, in fact, I'm on my way over there right now! See ya there!
Enviro!! :)
Hey Vegas,
The Western is all coin and hand pay-outs. The place has been cleaned up and great guest service.
I'm not old and I stopped playing slots when they stopped being coin operated. Every casino would do well to take a hint from the ones that still have coin operated slots. Most people prefer them.
Bring back coin operated machines
Well, it's a start! Now, all we need is full pay BlackJack and decent cocktail service!
Bravo Eastside Cannery!! Thats awesome!!
Gold Strike out in Jean, a small Liquor store off the Fremont St Exp. have coin machines. I got 4 Aces at the "Office Bar" in a coin machine about 75 dollars came out in old dollar coins (Eisenhower dollars), (the bartender would pay the $400 jack pot unless I gave him the coins back.)
"Station Casinos, the largest operator of suburban casinos, offers only ticket machines.
"We have not yet seen a demand by our guests for the return of coin-operated slot machines," spokeswoman Lori Nelson says."
What would they know about catering to a demand? They are going bankrupt and thought they knew what the market wanted. Station guessed wrong and look where they are at. Clearly, there is a demand for coin-operated slot machines El Cortez and now Eastside Cannery are fulfilling wouldn't have them if there wasn't. Sometimes you do have to build it and they will come. It's called taking a risk.
El Cortez is as old school as they come.
I am surprised that they have 230 coin operated machines. They have a whole section, but it doesn't look like more than 100 machines. I'll have to count them next time I am there.
El Cortez has something else that you can't find anywhere else: a room with a view of the strip for $40 a night.
That's correct. The El Cortez is still filled with these old school machines. But they got coin and bill acceptors, which is a great plus. The cash out is in coins with a hand pay of payouts higher than certain hundreds of coins,...which makes sense. on top of that, the El Cortez still has 2 of the world's best deuces wild machines.... Downtown Deuces, it pays 4700 on the Royal and 2000 for the deuces. I hit both during my most recent trip, and had a hell of fun there. Thank you, El Cortez :)
From Switzerland
We always make a stop at the Gold Strike in Jean. (The Nevada Landing across the highway disappeared). I like the coin machines there. Like the "old times" those of us on my side of 50 remember. We used to be very loyal to Station Casinos. The resort fee is what ran me off, We occasionally still eat at the buffet there, but even that is nowhere near what it was 15 years ago. Used to like the Nevada Nickels Progressive at Frontier. Not sure if that's still around anywhere. (The game, I know Frontier is history).
The young folks don't remember the days of buying a newspaper at the gift shop, giving them a 5 and getting $4.50 in quarters in change (without asking for the quarters)! Marketing at it's best.
Bakersfield, I am glad I am not the only one who got mad about the Resort Amenity Fee policy, made by Station Casinos. I come from far away in the world, but I visit Vegas fairly often. And I usually bring money with me, not expecting to win anything. Station Casinos once was a very interesting place to stay. I remember when Boulder Station opened, it was a great place to be. The new rooms in the considerably small (thin) tower were something I liked a lot. 10-15 years later, I am sick of this place as I cannot understand that they run this place that way and really believe that tourists can be so stupid that they don't realize what's going on. Gladly there are some other places to stay and play, and these places treat us tourists with more respect.
From Switzerland
My wife and I go to Vegas every year and stay on The Strip at Excalibur and The Venetian but, we always look forward to going Downtown and playing on some of the old coin paying machines there. It's nice to hit for a couple of hundred on any slot but it's still special to have to collect up all those quarters and cash them in. See you in September Vegas!
Resorts International in AC thought of this first. I believe the slots were a hit, but I am told the casino had to discontinue them since everyone was keeping the coins! Sounds good for Resorts, but I think they got tired of ordering new coins to replace the ones that players kept.
One of the most mouth-watering, heart-throbbing experiences when arriving in Vegas after a 3 hour and 45 minute flight, was the extremely exciting sound of coins falling into slot machine receptacles while checking into a hotel casino. No matter how tired I was when I arrived, the clang of the coins always induced hyper-adrenalin... I WAS IN VEGAS! I love the coin machines and play them each time I visit Las Vegas (primarily at El Cortez) but I have become accustomed to the non-coin machines also.
To coin or not to coin! It matters less. It is still... FABULOUS LAS VEGAS. See you in May.
stations casinos- our customers aren't asking for old style slots- what customers. stations used to be packed, i was a very loyal visitor on trips, not anymore. bring back coin operated machines and you'll increase number of employees and your customer base. it's like vegas has one company and everyone does same thing. untill these monopolies are broken up and we get back to individuals owning each casino vegas is lost.
Freeport Bahama's casinos have them all. No tickets machines there. I like to play $1.00 coin slots. I play a system where I put 1.00 dollar in a machine if it hits great I stay there, if not then i move on to the next machine. I was fast and could be at 50 machines in 10 minutes. I usually find one ready to hit in that time. Coins only can give you that speed. Tickets are very slow and annoying when they get stuck. If a coin gets stuck, there's only 1 coin stuck so you can do the other machines around it until the representative shows up to resolve the issue. When paper gets stuck your budget is tied up on that one paper usually so you're dead in the water for a long time. Coins, i love them and will always be a coin fan over a ticket fan.
When I first heard that "silence" in the casino and didn't hear tghe jingle jingle anymore I was really sad. A Big part of the slots are those quarters dropping into the tray.I still miss it, I don't miss the mess.The jury is still out on this one for me.
I stopped going to the casinos, when they switched to those boring ticket machines, they took and sucked all the fun out of playing the slots, everybody I know misses the coin slots, I don't know what the hell the casinos are talking about, I never met anyone who liked the ticket machines, bring back the coin slots, let us have some fun you greedy casino's
Until we get back out to LV,,, I take my wife to the laundromat and hand her a $20 to put in the coin changing machine. The "jingle-jingle" of the coins will hopefully calm down her craving of the slots.
Maybe we shouldn't move out there in March??? My whites have NEVER looked better!
I don't miss the mess and the noise of coin slots.
one thing that's annoying when playing these coin machines is this: I reckon that more than 50 per cent of the times after you hit 4 aces on a double-double machine and then decide to cash out, chances are that the hopper will be empty. And if the casino doesn't hire enough staff, it can take forever till they fill up what you later on will cash out and carry back to the cage... from this point of view, the ticket machines are a bit user friendly whereas the coin noise machines are more fun playing.
did anybody notice that ever since those ugly ticket machines came to be, the casino's have all had problems, they claim it's the economy,causing all of it, sure maybe a part of it, but i think people really miss the old machines and the sounds of the coins dropping, today all the machines sound alike, veryyyyyyyy veryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy veryyyyyyyy borrrrrrrrrrrring,I stay and play at my home town casino's now, why travel all the way to vegas, they don;t have anything thats different to offer, these greedy casino's all copy off each other, I really miss the old sands,desert inn etc. vegas will never be the same, too bad
I used to go twicw a year.
thank you sunfor a good article, you should take a survey some day.
California Hotel in Dowtown Las Vegas has those Poker coin machines up the escalator on the second floor. It can definitely attract attention hearing coins fall and hit the metal. I see lots of people playing it.
The coin machines are cool. Bring 'em back in droves. The noise is part of the "experience" that is lacking throughout LV.
I once won a jackpot on one those coin-operated slot machines in downtown. Too bad it wasn't a progressive and it was only a nickel slot machine. But I suppose a jackpot of 250 is better than nothing. We were just passing through so I suppose the winnings paid for our brief stay there.
Yeah, and while youre at it....bring back the Showboat too.
yeah, and wile we're crying after the good old days.... bring back the "old lady" , the Stardust, the good old bonus slotmachines and the friendly poker room, the good comps. we don't need sky-scraper style hotel towers, and no fancy rooms, as we only sleep 5 hours per day while in Vegas. A clean room with a shower that functions is ok, and good gambling and loose videopoker.
From Switzerland
Nothing wrong with Budget Suites (Boulder) as I stayed there before...less than $200/week.
Cannery East is a vast improvement from the old Nevada Palace, however the new place was always empty and quiet when I stopped by there a couple times.
casino's are the biggest liars ever, I took my own survey at mgm detroit yesterday I talked to 100 people about the coin slots, and guess what all 100 said they prefer the older coin slots, no one stuck up for the ticket machines, and they were not all old people either.
come on casinos bring em back.
...penny coin-in machines for the 100 line , 45 bet per line penny slots too .... :D It will take quite a while for a granny to fill up the saved up pennies just for one single spin , hehe :)
to hell with those penny machines,get rid of them
I hate them, they are only dollar machines in disguise, why do they even call them slots anymore, there is no slot, the only slot is the one that takes your bills. maybe just leave them and those lousy 2 cent machines with the tickets, and all the rest coin operated. hey casino's try something new and original for a change and stop copying off each other, you greedy bunch of fun sucking parasites, you people don't know what fun is, all you casino vip's probobly led a pretty sheltered life and are nothing but a bunch of cry babies, the older people are the ones that are keeping you bastards alive, so give us what we want, you gave all those young punks all those clubs, they don't spend any money gambling, we do.
I like the funky monkey machine. When the bonus round starts it plays funny music and that's cool.
Best to have plenty of coin and ticket machines of the same games. Enrich the experience! The coin machines make it easy to try a machine. One can reach over to the machine on either side and plunk in coins now and then to stake your claim before someone else gets it.
Like jciantar, with dollar coin machines, I used to go on sprees down an aisle dropping and cranking once at each machine. Won five grand on a first pull that way at Four Queens. Wouldn't've happened that way with paper. It takes too long to get machines to accept dollar bills. But they sure suck in the 20's right away!
I used to win all the time on those old coin slots, won 8000 quarters once on a 4 coin slot at the IP and 9 buckets full at the mirage, I had 14 trays of dollars once at the old sands, etc. it was the most fun anybody can have, today you walk into a casino and no one is laughing, screaming or even talking to anyone, it seems like everyone is pissed off, is it just me or does everyone notice whats happening, no noises, no nothing just pissed off people. what can be causing that
i'll give you 3 guesses, is it boring casinos maybe, I'd like to get a hold of the ass that came up with the idea of ticket machines, probobly some nerd who hates people and hates having fun, and putting people out of work.
Last time I was in Vegas I played on the strip and lost my Azz .. I went downtown on the last day and wondered into the The Vegas Club .. it was kinda of a little dumpy casino but I hit better in there than anywhere my whole trip.
I have been going to Vegas many years now and IMO they have just runioned it for the gamblers. The slots are tight in every casino. workers are rude. Tunica is now better than ever and guess I will be doing my vacations there..
In Laughlin, I noticed that The Riverside Poker Room was friendly. It's some of the old style "Old Wild West" Casinos, and it was great. The slots there are ultra tight, from what I noticed, so I didn't play there. But they still operate some coin-machines.
the hell with vegas, I stay in my own state and play, why pay the air fare, and those high priced
hotel rates and all those extra charges they stick you with. I play at the soaring eagle casino in mt. pleasant michigan, we actually have fun there, people yell and laugh and really talk to each other there. Vegas is off my list
I may not be a big loss for them, but its a start
every year you go back and even your favorite slots are gone,and some new really tight ones take their place. how do they expect to survive.
I hope vegas stays in trouble for ever. I blame it on those greedy corperations that took over, they should have never let them get so big and own half the town. now they rule, let all of them suffer, they deserve everything they get, amen.
jciantar, I can partially agree with you. I have been returning to Vegas for approx. 20 years now, at least 1x or 2x per year. I can say that I never lost and spent more than 7000 usd per stay, altogether, but I can also confirm that the slots turned tight (because they removed the loose slots and videopoker machines step by step). the room rates are low but that's mainly because of the crisis and the over supply of rooms there are right now. Other things became very expensive, such as riding the bus on the strip or taking a cap. For longterm visitors it's recommended having a rental car.
The poker games turned tight and the rake went up. What used to be 5 per cent up to 3 dollars turned into 10 per cent up to 4 dollars, which is a big difference. The auto-shuffler at the tables speeds up the games per hour, which will result in higher revenues for the house...and more tips for the dealer. This will make the dealers happy, plus, they have less work to do as they don't have to shuffle anymore. Less work for more tips? Well, it's ok, not of my business, but I noticed the trend and this is not what's making people happy in general.
Vegas has a lot of competition worldwide, which is a fact. You can cry me an idiot or invite me to stay in Europe, I have no problems with that. But I can confirm furthermore that the Las Vegas Advisor funbook turned basically worthless as they removed all the match play coupons, and still they charge 43 dollars for the overseas rate. The American Casino Guide funbook is much better and has a way better value than the LVA, but also here I noticed that some casinos no longer participate in this promotion and don't offer valued coupons as they used to.
Summary: The airlines tightened up and hassle their passengers with long waiting and surcharge for the luggage, and the casinos tightened up by removing the loose machines. Vegas has seen its best days years ago. But it's still a great city, but just not as great as it used to be. The city is losing its fans, and this is shown in the visitor figures. Keep it up, and you will see what will happen in the next 10 years. The world will gamble elsewhere.
From Switzerland
I miss the old Odyssey machines by Silicon Gaming. I loved the Playoff Poker on those machines with the accumulating pot and the white-gloved hands dealing the cards.
The quarter(coin) Sigma VP games were fun also and I'm glad that they still survive down in Laughlin, Nevada.
I also enjoyed playing keno on the old coin Bally Gamemaker machines.
If I could find a way to pony up about 100 million, I'd buy a small Vegas or Laughlin casino and outfit it with a mostly-coin, classic slots inventory.
I'd also have several banks of linked progressive machines offering big awards for sequential royals...etc.
Someone ask where the "Office Bar" is, it is the only non-gay bar in the so-called "fruit loop" The dollar coin machine is at the end of the bar if it is still there, and as I said , they wouldn't pay the jackpot, unless I gave them the bucket of dollar coins back.