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It’s official: Kansas transfer Quintrell Thomas to sign with UNLV

Familiarity with staff, ability to make deep tourney runs ultimately won New Jersey forward over

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Kansas’ Quintrell Thomas (11) gets past UMKC’s James Humphrey (1) and Latreze Mushatt (4) to put up a shot during the first half on Nov. 16, 2008, in Lawrence, Kan. Thomas announced his intent to transfer to UNLV on May 22, 2009.

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Kansas forward Quintrell Thomas, right, blocks a shot by Nebraska guard Ade Dagunduro (11) during the second half of their game in Lawrence, Kan., on Feb. 21, 2009. Kansas defeated Nebraska 70-53.

Quintrell Thomas may have been still in diapers when coach Jerry Tarkanian had the UNLV hoops program rolling at its peak in the early 1990s, but he knows what winning in this town can do.

And now he'll have the chance to find out first-hand.

After taking his time and visiting a couple of other schools, Thomas made it official late Friday afternoon: The former Kansas forward will be a Rebel next season.

"I just thought about how good we would be once I started playing," Thomas said over the phone. "It's one of the primary entertainment places in the country. We start winning, we could turn Vegas upside down."

Of course, Thomas is referring to the rotation he'll be a part of once he's eligible come the 2010-11 season, per NCAA rules, which will include fellow transfers Chace Stanback, Derrick Jasper and Tre'von Willis, plus a host of others.

Thomas averaged 1.5 points and two rebounds in limited duty for the Jayhawks, who advanced to the Midwest regional semifinals in Indianapolis this past season before bowing out to eventual national runner-up Michigan State.

However, in early April, the St. Patrick (N.J.) High product announced his intent to transfer, mired deep in the Kansas rotation with little chance for an immediate ascent on the horizon. He was stuck behind twins Marcus and Markieff Morris, who de-committed from Memphis and signed late with Kansas and returning All-American candidate Cole Aldrich, who spurned a potential slot in the NBA draft lottery for a junior season in Lawrence. He would also have been fighting for time with incoming freshman Thomas Robinson and Arizona transfer Jeff Withey, who is eligible following the upcoming fall semester.

UNLV's coaching staff was in tight with Thomas when he was a senior at St. Patrick, when the 6-foot-8 forward was ranked by Rivals.com as the No. 149 prospect in the 2008 crop. However, when Bill Self and his staff swooped in, UNLV finished second in the race for his services.

The familiarity with UNLV's staff was a plus not only for Thomas, but with his family, as well.

"My mother loves the situation," Thomas said. "I liked the coaching staff before I made my decision to go to Kansas. It was between them and Kansas at first. Plus (I like) my role once I get there and the opportunity to make it deep in the (NCAA) tournament with the players we have."

It certainly looks on paper as though Thomas will have a chance to help the Rebels deep into March. Stanback, Jasper and Willis will key a squad this season that looks to get back to the tournament after missing the dance last season, stumbling after a 13-2 start to a 21-11 finish and an NIT appearance. UNLV advanced to the field of 65 each of the previous two seasons, winning a combined three games and advancing to the Sweet 16 in 2007.

Thomas made three visits during his second trip through the recruiting carnival. He saw Saint Joseph's in Philadelphia, Pa., the week before coming to Las Vegas, then the following weekend went to see Siena in upstate New York. There were rumors that he was going to check out St. Bonaventure and Iona, too, but those visits never happened.

"I'm happy for him," said Thomas's former NJ Elite AAU coach, Derrick Bobbitt. "It was a lengthy process, he took his time, he wanted to go to a bigger school. He's familiar with the coaching staff and they were his No. 2 choice last year, so it made sense ultimately."

The only current Rebel Thomas said he has much history of any kind with is Stanback, who transferred in last summer from UCLA and will be eligible to play this upcoming season. Thomas said he remembers taking on and defeating Stanback's Fairfax (Calif.) High squad two years ago at the Hall of Fame Classic in Springfield, Mass.

But he'll have a chance now to get to know the guys pretty well, as he'll only be allowed to practice this season. Thomas will then have three years of eligibility remaining when the 2010-11 season commences.

UNLV still has one scholarship open for the 2009-10 season, despite signing Wheatley (Texas) High forward Henry Buckley last week. Buckley will be on scholarship come 2010-11, and will attend prep school -- most likely in North Carolina -- this season.

The smart money is on the Rebels allowing that scholarship to roll over for the 2010 class, rather than bringing another transfer or unsigned senior aboard for this season.

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  1. This is an exciting get for the program. ESPNU had him as #56 in the nation for 2008 recruits as well. (However, after Beas, we must remember stars/rankings don't always mean everything.) But Kansas beat us out for him the first time. That says something about the potential for this guy.

    Will be fun to see what he can do after a year of working in the system as a redshirt.

    Also, saw the ESPN article today saying UNLV has the 5th best non-BCS recruiting class for 2009 - not counting the transfers. Gonzaga was #6. Nice to see. Future looks bright.

    Welcome to LV, QT! Go Rebels!

  2. Whoopee, another power conference reject to go along with our UCLA, Kentucky, and Memphis rejects. Hey everyone, come to the T&M and root for our rejects!

    Look, they all may turn out to be great Rebels, but c'mon, if you're counting on a squad full of transfers to play harmonious, injury free ball then you're certainly not playing the percentages.

  3. Maybe if we got some Arizona rejects you would feel better Lute. Did you enjoy that beating UNLV put on AZ this year?

  4. Midnight,
    Do us all a favor and never use the word "we" or "us" when referring to the Rebels. You're obviously not worthy of the company.

    "they all may turn out to be great Rebels"? One minute your insulting the players and the next you're saying they could be great? Nice hedge. Read your posts before you submit them. And please, go back to rooting your underachieving Wildcats, we don't need you here in Rebel nation.

  5. You know what Lute? The reason that programs like Kansas, Kentucky and UCLA have had success is that they have great depth. When one of their starters go down the reserves step up and perform. So you can be sure that they don't waste their valuable time recruiting scrubs.

  6. Yeah, you guys are right here. A good player is a good player ... no matter where he suited up previously. And this is a good player who will help the developing big men in practice next year with his experience, then have three years of eligibility come 2010-11. There's not much room for criticism here. This is a great get for Kruger & Co.

  7. QT, Vegas is THE entertainment capital of THE WORLD not a primary capital of the US.

    You'll see once you get here. And you're right, when the team finally clicks and makes another deep run, the city will explode.

  8. Only time will tell if the Kansas transfer pans out

  9. Awesome news! Check out this link. You can see some nice game footage of Q. Welcome Q to the UNLV family.

    http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2009/may/22...

  10. Well I'm liking what Lon is doing with this year's recruiting class, the transfers he's brought in, and beyond.
    This past year was dissapointing, but with everything else he's doing, I'm confident Kruger is steering us in the right direction.

  11. So a guy who wasn't going to make it off the bench is supposed to be the savior of the UNLV hoops program?

    Settle down folks....

  12. I think you guys are all smoking crack. All UNLV gets are throwaways from other schools. Are you kidding me? I'm a UNLV alum and I'm embarrassed by our team and recruiting.

    We can't get them the 1st time around, so we have to wait 1 yr plus another for red shirt?? We suck....don't kid yourself. We can't compete with the UCLA, Duke, and North Carolina teams. When are we going to get a real recruiting class?

    Once again UNLV disappoints. Standard Operating Procedure.

    S711

  13. I think what people need to realize is that UNLV, while high on basketball tradition, isn't a national power like KY and KU etc. Being out of a BCS conference is a negative as far as recruiting goes so of course we miss out on some big time recruits the first time around. Thats the way its supposed to be, but don't insult these same kids we would have been estatic to get a year or two ago when we get them now. Calling them throwaways is like calling Chauncey Billups a throwaway because he has been traded multiple times. If they flake out and leave UNLV ala Roberton and Adeife then call them throwaways, but until then give them a shot.

  14. Back in the day, UNLV was a competitive option for the nation's best high school players because of the style they played and the hype around the coach/program/city.

    Start winning in style again and the same situation will resume.

  15. BBallFan - Are you kidding me? You are comparing college players to Chauncey Billuups (NBA)? That is the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard! In college, we don't have 5-6 yrs to develop a kid with potential.

    Every basketball fan knows there is a huge difference between a NBA player and a college player. A throwaway in the NBA could be a starter/stud on another team. However, in the world of college basketball, it is meaningless.

    Do you think UNLV is the only team picking up everyone else's scraps? Of course not.....lots of other teams do that too.

    I think you missed my point.....my post wasn't meant to focus on the fact that we acquired a bunch of scrubs. It was meant to say how messed up our recruiting is on an annual basis that we have to resort to these kinds of players. You mean to tell me you are happy & satisfied with this and the other signings?

    I'm NOT! I'm pissed. I'm a UNLV alum & I expect the best recruiting effort by our staff....not some stupid "Hey we got the kid we wanted 2 yrs ago" crap. We're not here to make some kid feel good about himself. We're not in the day care business, I want our team to win and win every year!

    I read on another article that we will have 2 open scholarships for this year.....seriously, WTF? Isn't that enough to piss you off? Don't be satisfied with mediocrity people! That's what separates us from the Duke, North Carolina, UCLA teams.....they would never accept this kind of recruiting, NEVER!

    Remember....Duke had the same stature as UNLV in the early 90's.....they didn't have the same pedigree as UCLA, North Carolina, Kansas, or Kentucky.....but they held their coaches & teams to a high standard and would never let them get away with this.....please Rebel fans.....let's hold our standards HIGH!!!! Don't settle for these kinds of recruits!!! I won't, who else agrees?

    S711

  16. Sinatra711, You seem to be the one of the few who truly understands college basketball and does have his head in the sand about the REBELS. Make no mistake about it UNLV has never recovered from the stigma Tark put on them and UNLV will always be left out when it comes to quality recruits.Thanks to Tark, the conference, coaches and administration UNLV will dance in the streets about recruits others don't want. But then again not many people today understand the whole story of Tark and the era in the late eighties and nineties.It still counts with quality recruits and their parents.

  17. S711,

    Does that mean Larry Johnson and Greg Anthony are the scraps of our 1990 Championship team? They didn't come into UNLV's program as freshman. Yes, they actually transferred. Does that make Tark a lousy recruiter? Those are the kind of scraps I can live with.

    I have a feeling, in time, QT will deliver. I feel he is coming into a situation at the right time and the right place. I'm not real sure about the 2009-2010 program but I'm feeling good about 2010-2011. Sometimes timing is everything.

  18. Sinatra: using Billups was an analogy for one persons garbage is another ones treasure. I like that we get these transfers into the program who have been humbled at other programs and are willing to come in and work hard. The coaches are working as hard as possible to get the right recruits for the program. Obviously you are just another fan who thinks the number by his name (his ranking) is all that matters in recruiting and if we aren't getting the top 10 recruits we must not be doing a good job. I coach basketball so I know how important it is to have players who are willing to buy in to what you are trying to do. I'd take a player who buys in over a more talented player who won't 8 days a week. As far as the Duke comment, remember what conference they are in. Had they been in another conference that had a lesser profile they may not be where they are today so that is a factor. Although the MWC is a respectable conference its not the ACC or the Pac-10 for that matter. Put UNLV in the Pac-10 and watch how the recruiting will change. Even so, I still think Kruger would recruit the same way because he knows what type of player he wants and can win with, more than anyone who posts here on this board. I think I will go with him and his experience for my money.

  19. Idiot? Is that all you guys got? You have to resort to calling me names......that's laughable. You are all jokes for Rebel Fans as far as I'm concerned.......go hi-five your bro' about calling me an Idiot......silly kids.

    For the record, I'm not an old coot. I graduated in '96 from UNLV.....how about you guys? Do you really bleed Rebel Red? Because if you did, you'd accept nothing but the best.

    Rebuilding? WTF? We've been rebuilding since 1992!!

    You can call me an idiot all day long.....it doesn't matter, it won't change the fact that our team sucks, can't recruit, doesn't have a clutch player, fell apart at the end of last season......and hasn't done anything worthwhile to fix it!

    Do you think it's coincidental that the top recruiting schools finish at the top every year? Go ahead guys, rant and rave about how "Smart" we recruit and how "selective" we are when it comes to finding "hidden treasure" talents at the bottom of the top 150......until we start landing Top 25-50's year in and year out, we are going to suffer through one mediocre season after another.......and this ALUM isn't going to stand on the sideline and be satisifed with mediocrity.

    I'm going to speak my mind......

    Kruger - Do something about this mess of a team, or get the hell out of dodge......next?

    UNLV - If Kruger doesn't make the NCAA tourney this year....FIRE his a$$......we need a winner.

    Regarding the comment about USC being pissed about recruiting so terribly.....I have some news for you....I'm currently attending USC and guess what? They ARE pissed that they haven't recruited well.....and guess what? They are getting on their coaches a$$ and Athletic Dept about that......why? Because, they don't accept anything less than success.

    Regarding being in a weak conference - Can someone explain how La Salle, Akron, San Diego State, Western Kentucky, and Creighton can recruit in the Top 100? How do we not beat out these schools? Huh? Explain that one.

    Nobody decided to comment on the 2 open scholarships this year.......I thought so. It's clear proof that our recruiting efforts are a joke. I like what that other guys said earlier about getting some European kids. We couldn't give them to 2 European studs in exchange for a student visa? What 18 year old basketball stud in Europe wouldn't come out here for that? Instead, we are going to let them go to waste? Awesome recruiting Kruger!

    UNLV Fans - Don't settle for mediocrity......don't be fooled by these bottom of the barrel Top 150 recruits.......demand and expect our team to be CHAMPIONS......not runners up. Remember, NOBDOY REMEMBERS WHO FINISHES 2nd.

    I can't wait to see the responses from all of the basketball geniuses out there.....ha.

    S711

  20. By the way.....don't confuse supporting your team with accepting your team. You can support your team and push them to be better.

    Applauding mediocre efforts produces mediocre results.

    I'm a Rebel Fan.....but the main difference between most of the guys on this board and me is that I demand excellence from our team, you don't.

    S711

  21. Alright sinatra I'll joust with ya...Armon Gilliam was a reserve on his basketball team before Tark picked him up. Tark also landed a grand total of...wait for it....drum roll please.......ONE McDonald's high school all-american. Only until 1991 were there blue chippers like the obannon bro's Shawn Kemp and Jason Kidd who wanted to be Runnin' Rebels. That's the length of Tark's entire 17 year career.

    So I say to you fellow Alumnus, you're wishing for something that's never really happened to this program. Educate yourself brother, your posts will read much better.

    Oh, and btw, your point about the two extra schollies is moot. It doesn't matter when he uses them. The program actually benefits by using them later to alleviate graduation turnover.

  22. "There's not much room for criticism here. This is a great get for Kruger & Co." WTF? put away your pom-poms fanboy. what happened to the real journalists?

  23. Grayback - You are referencing 18 yr old basketball tactics. This is not the same NCAA. Kids are jumping from college to the pros after a year or two.....see Oden, Durant, Aldridge, Rose. It is rare to find stud players that will stay 3 or more years. This is not the same situation that Tark was dealing with. He had the luxury of "coaching" along players for a few years.....turning over JC players. Would Larry Johnson have played for UNLV today? Maybe for 1 yr.....or he might have jumped directly to the pros from JC or after 1 yr in college. Augmon? He would have left after his Junior year if he played in today's world.

    So what does that mean? It means that the best players don't stick around for more than 2 yrs max. There is no arguing this......it is happening before our eyes, if you don't acknowledge this, you are being naive or just argumentative. So your argument of graduation turnover is moot.....there is no need to save scholarships for graduation turnover IF you are recruiting properly and bringing in studs who stay for a year or two. Instead, we waste it.

    Any more knowledge you want to drop? Educate myself in what? What exactly am I missing here? Please tell me. And what is your level of education sir?

    I love how people have to get personal and divert attention away from the issue at hand. "Let's put down the guy who is speaking out against our team.....we don't want people telling us the truth".

    S711

  24. Brandon, you're the one that looks like an idiot with your childish posts. If you think last year (including a 9-7 conf. season) was not a letdown then you really are a loser.

  25. Last season was a letdown, I think we all can agree on that. And everyone should be able to agree on the fact the Lon Kruger has done more for UNLV basketball than any coach we've had other than Tark.

    The fact is we have arguably the best recruiting class in our conference and the best class of all non-BCS schools, so lets put a little more faith in where our program is headed.

  26. Thank you what's_in_the_box! At least someone else here understands what's really going on.

    Brandon - "If we landed Quintrell last year, this room would be filled with love right now.".....yeah, but the fact is we didn't! We landed him 1 year too late......and he won't play until next year 2010-2011......HOW DOES THAT HELP THE 2009-2010 SEASON AGAIN???? Seriously dude, your immaturity is evident.....again, call me an idiot.....it doesn't fix the team.

    StevenLorang - "The fact is we have arguably the best recruiting class in our conference and the best class of all non-BCS schools, so lets put a little more faith in where our program is headed."......You may as well of said, "Be happy we are the best of the 2nd tier teams".......that's the mediocre attitude I'm talking about.

    S711

  27. I get it now Sinatra. You think that UNLV should be considered among the elite of college basketball and won't settle for less. Its a good goal to have, but being realistic is also something you need to be. Its not the early 90's anymore. UNLV is going to have a hard time competing year in and year out with the elite teams regardless of how well they do. If you want UNLV to compete with the top level schools you first need to get them into the Pac-10 and then you need to fix the budget for the state so UNLV can be funded the way it needs to be to compete academically with those elite schools. There is your solution.

  28. BrandonRebelFan You are the stupidest person alive. Do the research and you will see just what that fat,ugly Aremian did to UNLV.Are you aware that the school president wanted Tark out and the AD was lobbying for his dismisal?
    If you are half as smart as you claim to be you would know how to pull up the archives of The Review Journal and The Sun and see for yourself.
    What were three of the standouts of that glorious championship team doing associating with Richard 'The Fixer' Perry, who was convicted of fixing college games and a blackbook candidate, at his home in his hot tub after being warned to not assopciate with him.What highly touted recruit went from the plane and was arrested at a crack house? After an investigation it was determined he had not even graduated from high school. How much money did tark cost UNLV with his foolishness?
    You are not old enough to have witnessed these events and are to stupid to do the research. As a matter of fact I doubt you are even a student but just another foul mouthed want to be tough guy who owns a couple of Rebel shirts. You are a loser.

  29. Kruger built UNLV back up to what? Another coach who can not control his criminals.

  30. Last night during the NBA game a commentator was asked to name who he thought the best coaches were and he did, unfortunately that towel chewing goof ball Tark was not one them.

  31. Sinatra,

    I definitely see your point and where you're coming from. The problem is that we can't jump straight from a third-level program (as we were right before Kruger arrived) to a consistantly top 10 program. There are a couple of steps in between, and thats where we are now. I don't think anyone is arguing that the 09-10 and 10-11 teams are the final destination and where we want to ultimately be, but they are a huge improvement from the teams that Kruger inherited. Better recruited players come from success in the last couple seasons. In this way we're seeing the dividens from the sweet 16 and second round runs. And yes, we all know last year was a letdown, and I'd even be willing to go as far as saying that two or more down seasons in a row and Kruger is on the chopping block, as much as I love him. But until he stalls out consistantly, I think we should let him work.

    Overall, Sinatra, I think you are absolutely right that we can't let ourselves or the team get complacent. I think that's a huge part of why we didn't do as well last year- we got too used to sucess and lost the hunger. So yes, we do need to push our team to be better, always. But at the same time there's nothing wrong with recognizing and celebrating how far we've come and each step along the way.

  32. rebelfaninredlands - Thanks for acknowledging that we shouldn't get complacent. That is a good start. However, I feel we need to take it a step further and not as you say...."But at the same time there's nothing wrong with recognizing and celebrating how far we've come and each step along the way."

    When Kentucky lost it's powerhouse status during the 80's through mid 90's......did they (FANS) settle for anything less than a championship? The same goes for any of the other perennial contenders.....

    We can argue about strength/weaknesses of conferences, but what it boils down to is analyzing the here and now and the cards we are dealt. What I see are 2 blown scholarships for this year and a bunch of scraps for the following year......how can we acknowledge this as progress? Seriously?

    Facts
    - We only have 1 incoming recruit ranked in the Top 100.
    - We have 2 open scholarships for this season.

    Can you really say that you are proud of this roster?
    http://www.lasvegassun.com/sports/mens_b...

    In some people's eyes, I might sound like an a$$hole.....good! Get fired up Rebel fans! Start caring about our team enough to light a fire under the Coaching Staff, Players, & Athletic Director! Maybe they will Coach, Play, & Recruit with a sense of URGENCY! Win Now or MOVE ON! We are the Running Rebels G-Dammit! Be proud! Accept nothing less than excellence!

    S711

  33. Homer, I think you got us confused with UNR. They are the ones with the criminals on their team. Something like 7 arrests in the last two years, with two isolated gun incidents involving UNR players (Phillips + Hanson+ UNR football players involved in both incidents). Plus the sports store robberies by CURRENT UNR players (Fields, Phillips, and Giles). Not to mention the assaults (Kirk Snyder) and other crimes by UNR players (Green, Viser). UNR is the team with the criminals you got it confused buddy. Look at last years UNLV seniors:

    RR-Graduated
    Wink-Graduated
    Darger- Graduated
    Hoffman-Graduated
    Johnson-Graduated
    Ketchum-Graduated

    You obviously don't like the Rebels and are just trying to stir up crap because you desperately want us to fail. You are probably a fan of a rival team. Get a life buddy.
    It takes time to build a team back to the level the Rebels were at under the great Jerry Tarkanian. Lots of people seem to think that can be done instantly, it cant. You have to take time to build it right and that is what Lon is doing.

    Welcome Quintrell! Glad to have you in Vegas!

  34. BrandonRebel Fan and Reberino, In typical Brandon style he left out some important facts, facts that Reberino may want to pay attention to regarding his hero tark.
    While at Long Beach State had that program put on probation.
    While at UNLV the great Tark had that program put on probation three times and loss of television games.
    While at Fresno State he had two players charged with threatening and robbing a man with a sword and a gun.
    He recruited Lloyd Danies who had not graduated from high school and when he arrived in town he went directly to a crack house and was arrested.
    Tark new as well as the whole town three of his star players were in the company of a convicted basketball game fixer Richard Perry and did nothing about it. The fact of the matter is Tark himself was seen at his favorite restaurant while Richard Perry was there as well. These things are part of the investigation not only by The NCAA but other government agencies.
    Tark twice sued the NCAA for harassment the U.S. Supreme Court denied his right to these frivoulous law suits.
    Rober Maxon was the President of UNLV and forced Tark out because of his antics.
    Almost every school has issues with student athletes. But don't applaud this jerk Tark. The only person Tark ever cared about was Tark.Good sports programs are hard to build and keep. Most coaches do it the right way, they follow the rules and they have ethics, unlike Tark.

  35. Rebelinreno - "It takes time to build a team back to the level the Rebels were at under the great Jerry Tarkanian. Lots of people seem to think that can be done instantly, it cant. You have to take time to build it right and that is what Lon is doing."

    ......what do you think we've been doing for the past 16 years?

    The time to win is NOW! Don't settle for anything less Rebel Fans!

    S711

  36. Ok I can respect the fact that Sinatra wants greatness for UNLV basketball.

    But Homer you should seriously get a life.
    Oh god, you're so smart and wise for being Tark's amatuer historian, get over it. There's no asterisk by our 1990 national championship.
    Anyway its 2009, the past is the past.

  37. Do people not realize that without Tark there would have been no "Runnin" in Runnin' Rebels? Without Tark, we would still be Tumbleweed Tech. There would have been no glory days, no national championship, no tourney appearances. Yes, Tark had his troubles, but he also brought to UNLV what we all desire for this program, the winning attitude and culture.

    Kruger is building that winning culture. It takes time to get there and develop a culture. I agree, if Kruger doesn't deliver with these recruits, then there needs to be a serious evaluation of the program. Otherwise give it a chance. We've got a pretty awesome non-conference schedule and good recruits, some that have tourney experience.

  38. Homer, why so much hatred towards Tark?

    What are you talking about he was at a restaurant and Perry was in that restaurant as well. Where they at the same table? He can't control who was at a restaurant unless he owns the joint.

    Yes, he was hounded by the NCAA. He states he wasn't a saint but nor were Wooden, Rupp and others who achieved long term success at their schools.

    You seem to have a personal problem with him. That's your issue. Get some therapy and move on.

  39. Sinotra, you're debating in a circle. You use the glory days as an example for better recruiting and then you throw it out in your rebuttal. THAT is twelveth grade reasoning son.

    Augmon and Johnson were great PEOPLE as collegiate players. That's timeless, so they would've stayed today for Jerry. They wouldn't have changed a thing.

    And all those mid-majors you named who "get top 100 recruits" including SDSU whose most important game in program history was last years NIT f4 appearance - none have a national championship so they will never be on UNLV's level. Terrible comparison.

    Also, did you not see the word 'alumnus' in my post? That should give you a clue to my level of education. You present no contest in this battle of wit because you're unarmed.

  40. Si-NOT-ra, because you're unequipped to reason you have no merit to "rally the troops" for a "better" program.

    Enjoy your lonely trip to the UNLV athletic dept with the hopes of "demanding more" (if you even have the balls to do it). I'm sure you will have the city's support with that one.

    Game-Set-Match

  41. Grayback4Life - First of all, I never used the recruiting during Tarkanian's years as an example for recruiting.....maybe you should have gotten a better education. Somebody else made that argument. The crux of my argument is that we should demand more from our team and not be satisfied with mediocrity.....and that we are in a much different environment than Tark's years.

    My example with SDSU was not to say they were better at recruiting, but to make a point as to how such a weak program like them could recruit a Top 100 player......you should have learned how to read dude.

    Game-Set-Match? I don't think so. You haven't presented a strong counter argument by any stretch of the imagination. Another laughable attempt at trying to divert the attention away from the real issue.....the crappy job our current coaching staff has done making our team better this year.

    Next.

    S711

  42. sinatra- facts are facts.... we are NOT an elite basketball program right now. we are on our way, but not there yet. we ARE a high mid-major and we recruit like one... if you contest that then go read ESPN top 10 mid major recruiting class.

    the ultimate goal is to get where you are talking about.... to national power status year in and year out, but you have to build the program to get there. you can't fault kruger for UNLV's prior coaching decisions.... be fair and grade him for his time here, not "16 years of building"

    he has done a great job considering where this program was when he took over and where this program is now

    i would rather him recruit within this programs capability and SIGN players that can help build a program than have him go after players that are less likely to sign.

    you compare us to kentucky, duke, UNC, UCLA and others however, all of these programs have had much more success than us.

    it takes time my friend.... sit back relax and enjoy the show.

  43. Duke hadn't done anything until them and the NCAA refs beat us in 91. Since then they've kicked on while our inept university's administration has made one blunder after another.

  44. that is true, sort of.

    duke was right on par with us but they didnt get penalized and lose the person who created that program.... they kept coach K and we lost tark.... that leads to us rebuilding. as i said before YOU CANT BLAME KRUGER FOR THE ADMIN's PRIOR DECISIONS. i agree that they made bad decisions with a few coaches and others didnt pan out....... my point is that kruger is rebuilding and he is doing a good job.

    duke is also in the ACC, a much stronger confrence than MWC.. that is why it is easy for them to recruit... and how many programs can say they know who their coach will be in 4 years better than duke.... kids want that garuntee and they get it there...

    bottom line is that the longer kruger and company are in town the better this PROGRAM will be.

  45. sportsguy702 - Ok, so you want to discuss Kruger? Let's discuss Kruger.....

    - 2 losses to San Diego State to end our season in 2008/2009, 3 losses total to SDSU. San Diego State! Seriously? This alone should get him fired.....how do you lose 3 times in 1 season to a team in a "Mid-Major" conference that you claim we are a "high" Mid-Major team. Good teams don't lose 3 times in the same season to a lesser team.

    - Failed NCAA tourney bid.

    - 1st round loss in the NIT.

    - Weak recruiting (past years).

    - Weak recruiting this year. (see 2 open scholarships for '09 Season & other program throwaways w/no immediate help)

    - We regressed this year.....we didn't progress.

    Still want to talk about the bottom line sportsguy702? Don't throw all his prior accomplishments in my face, I want to know what we are doing to get better moving forward, not what we did 2 or 3 yrs ago.

    As far as I'm concerned, Kruger is on the hot seat....perform or get out. NCAA tourney bid, MWC Conference Title, BIG TIME Recruiting......those are what I want for my team. What about you? Are you satisfied with "contending for a NCAA bid", "having a shot at POSSIBLY landing a good recruit", "Almost winning the MWC title", "Rebuilding the program"......those are words of losers and weak teams. I believe UNLV should be a powerhouse and in order to do that that Alumni and Fans have to demand it.......just like other big time programs do.

    And guess what? At some point those big time programs were not big time....but their Alumni and Fans demanded the best from them....hence their growth into what they are today. Are you willing to demand this from our team? I AM!

    S711

  46. yes, lets talk about the bottom line. not the few mishaps you refer to.

    - 2 ncaa bids
    - 1 sweet sixteen
    - 3 ncaa tourney wins
    - 2 confrence tourney titles

    last year was a let down. beas was a bust... is that the "top 25-50" that you were talking about???

    your idea of UNLV having weak recruiting classes is junk.... year in and year out we are the best in MWC. it is good for us to save the scholarships because we do not have players that are leaving in a year or two. not that the grading is everything but if you want to refer to it.... go look up the ratings on QT, stanback, D jazz and willis. next question please.

    you refer to the same crap. we are not what those programs are, you cant snap your fingers and have that type of program.... if you want to get to that status then sit back and chill out and let kruger do his job. if kruger left we would be starting all over again.... is that what you want?

    you seem intelligent, just hard headed.

    your point is mute. if you have something better than comparing us to elite schools please write it so we can respond.... your national power topic is beat to death

  47. Sinatra: Newsflash- Augmon and Johnson both would have been lottery picks after their junior year. They stayed because of Tark. They would hav stayed today- it's called character.

    As for Homer- the 2.5 mill paid by the NCAA tells it all. Was Tark a saint? No. But he was unfairly treated by the NCAA who didn't like being challenged about their selective punishments.

  48. sinatra711 - your argument is getting old. Kruger is doing a great job at recruiting and he is just getting better as our program is getting better. The players that will be playing for us next season are a huge step up to the recruits we were getting prior to the sweet 16 season. Stanback, Jasper, Willis, Bellfield, Lopez... all great recruits and in years past we would have been lucky to land just one of those guys but as we get better we are having entire classes filled with talent and its just gonna get better. Just wait till next season and you will see a very very talented rebel team play. The starting 5 will most likely be Bellfield at the point, Willis, Jasper(3 gaurds) with Stanback and either Shaw or Lopez at center. Then just look at the bench, very solid, Kruger is definatly building depth. As long as the chemistry is there we will be a top 25 program easily and with that we will get even better recruits in the coming years. Be patient. Go Rebels!!!

  49. Sinatra, everything bad you just said about Kruger all happened last year. One "bad" season and you're calling for his head?

    Secondly, this year's recruiting class is a good recruiting class. Where are you getting the assumption that this is a bad recruiting class (certainly not facts)?

    Get over yourself- you're not the only one who wants us to be a powerhouse and has high expectations for the program. Actually I can safely say every single one of us wants UNLV to be on top again. But we're all just fans, don't act like your pompous attitude is gonna somehow will our team to victory.

  50. I wonder if all of these different Rebel Robert 'handles' represent RR consciously posting under different names to prop up his arguments, or, whether his multiple personalities simply adopt different handles and he never realizes that he's actually arguing with himself?

  51. Case in point- " You can support your team and push them to be better.
    Applauding mediocre efforts produces mediocre results. I'm a Rebel Fan... the main difference between most of the guys on this board and me is that I demand excellence from our team, you don't."

    You wanna will the team to do better? Go to every game and cheer your butt off every single play. I support my team, I go to every game. Where's your season tickets? Or are you one of the fans who uses the "demand excellence" excuse to not show up to games.

    Sitting here in May spouting demanding excellence online isn't gonna add any Ws to the win column.

  52. So the naysayers want one and done recruits? You want no follow through nor loyalty from a recruit. Sounds like you want Oden,Beasley,Mayo,Rose,Durant.... This is what I call a something for nothing mentality. You want instant success without the interim steps to get to that end goal. I'm sorry but that doesn't work out too well. Look how Kruger developed Rene Rougeau. You know top "coveted" recruits don't always pan out. I'd hope more guys like Rene come to the program and give it 120% of effort and heart. It's that type of attitude that makes a top program and attracts quality talent. Kruger has done a great job of filtering out the whiners and rewarding those who put forth the effort.

    Sinatra and Homer, as rebel fans, did it not feel great to rush the court back in the 2007 MWC Championships? Were you not exhilirated when we upended Wisconsin to head to the Sweet 16? Did you not have an extra drink on NYE this past year when we upset UofL?

  53. these message boards are not nearly as fun an informative as they used to be. maybe because the natives are restless with no college sports going on.... or maybe succotash found a way to log in from multiple accounts and actually argue with himself. my dad can beat up your dad.

  54. Yeah Runrebs and NY Rebel, that's definitely him doing exactly that -- arguing in a circle with himself. I bought into it.

    Sufferin Suck, RR, siNOTra 7-Eleven, homer or whatever lame handle you come up with next, your takes suck so show yourself to the door.

  55. First of all, screw all of you guys who think I'm part of a multiple handle person. I don't think so. I'm my own person, don't lump me in with all the other people.

    Take a look at my all my posts on the Las Vegas Sun site and you will see that I'm not just posting here and on this subject.

    As far as all of your "weak minded", satisfied with "mediocrity" comments......that's fine, you can be happy with our weak team. Case in point.....IcognitoRebel's comment "Just wait till next season and you will see a very very talented rebel team play." Next year??? Already giving up on this year? You've got to be kidding me! That's what we've been saying every year! Don't you guys understand that doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result is.....INSANITY? Maybe you don't realize that. Too bad.

    I won't be satisfied with doing the same thing.....and guess what? I'm going to be a pain in the program's a$$ until they do something about it. That's right, because I care about the team....and demand the best. And I will repeat....I'm an Alum. How about you guys? Did you go to UNLV? I have a right to be pissed.....I want to be proud of my University....instead of embarrassed.

    Of course it is an unpopular position to take....but that's fine. There are others out there that feel the same way. If not, then UNLV will never be anything other than what you guys refer to as a great "mid major" team. Ha.....that's a laughable goal.

    I have a right to post here and display my unhappiness with the program just like you have the right to post about how great Kruger and his staff are doing at making us a great "mid major" team. If you don't like what I have to say....too bad.

    S711

  56. Sinatra711 - You are a complete idiot. You post all these moronic comments on here and it's actually funny. When i said wait till next season i was refering to the upcoming season and im sure most able minded individuals understood that but your obviously slow so i'll give you a pass on that. You say your alum and that you support the team... your just a disgrace to the rebel program. Every post you have your trying to trash the program. I think i'll speak for all the true rebel fans when i say please do us all a favor and do not go to a rebels game. You say how bad last season was, well i think a 20 win season(3 in a row with one 30 win season) is pretty successful even though i know we could have done better this past season but it's all part of building the program. This UPCOMING season will be much better as we have 5 plus solid, talented players. So seriously none of us want you to be a fan anymore mr sinatra, your pathetic! go get a life and please just forget about the rebels for your just a cancer for the program.

  57. IncognitoRebel - You can call me whatever you like. What you can't deny was what a letdown last season was.....and you are calling it a success? Laughable.

    You can't run me out of here. So deal with it.....I want success, not failure.....sorry if success scares you so much.

    As far as the season reference......did you read the same article that I did at the top of the page? Isn't this new transfer suppose to play in 2010-2011 and not 2009-2010? So, how does that help us this season? Who's the idiot now?

    What's funny is how all of you guys resort to calling names and trying to divert the conversation away from the real subject matter at hand.....the Team. I suggest you start paying more attention to making the team better rather than trashing people who expect the best from our team.

    S711

  58. Sinatra, I want to know something. Given these facts, how would you improve this year's team?

    - Kruger is here for this season.
    - We have a lot of new faces on the team.
    - Last year was considered a disappointment.
    - Great non-con schedule

    You can't fire Kruger nor drop recruits. How would you improve, given what we have for the upcoming season? What's your plan and how would you build success for this program? Define success in your terms and an expected time frame to acheive such goals.

    To convince others (East Coast Media) that UNLV isn't a mid-major, you've got to bring the status of the ENTIRE MWC up. Otherwise a dominant UNLV will be stuck in the position Memphis has been in the past few years.

  59. sinatra you really are dumb... did i mention Quintrell Thomas at all when i was refering to the upcoming season??? no. and a 20 win season for the rebels is a success when looking back over the last 16 seasons. should we have done better? yes. last years team was all hype and they couldnt live up to the expectations but they still won 20 plus games.
    sinatra you are just a POS! you don't know how to read very well and completly lack any reasoning skills. you might want to go back to college and get some more education and then come back here and have a discussion with real adults.

  60. Sinatra:

    I graduated from UNLV in 1983. I have seen the best and the worst. This team and program are on the rise. Kruger is the best coach we have had since Tark and the players he has lined up for next year are the best group since 1993 (Rider, Boney, Gray, Thomas, Manual).
    Pretty obvious to anyone that Incognito was talking about 2009-2010- you just insist on being a crap disturber.

  61. IncognitoRebel - How old are you again? Sorry but name calling doesn't affect me at all.

    rose1414 - I'm happy that you are satisfied with a mediocre performance. I'm not. I can agree to disagree.....it still doesn't change my position that we should be doing better. Higher standards = Higher Performance.

    S711

  62. rebelfever - I cannot make changes to our program....I can only voice my dissatisfaction in the hope that something will be done about it. If I could make any changes, and I stress the word IF....I would do the following:

    - Hold Kruger accountable for his results. I know we can't get rid of him now, but if we suffer another letdown this year, we should consider a change in regime.

    - I can't change the entire makeup of our team.....and it is too late in the game to do anything. That is why I'm so frustrated that we are letting 2 scholarships go to waste this year. We should have done something with them....not let them go unused. Some others on the page made some great suggestions, recruit from Europe for one.

    I never said I had any solutions. I am suggesting that we need to change our attitude and hold our coaches and staff accountable.....otherwise, they will continue to produce mediocre results.

    S711

  63. Sinatra, I can tell you have little knowledge of college recruiting. For your information now that we have Quintrell Thomas we only have one scholarship open for the upcoming season. The reason we had two open schollies was because two players transferred during the season (one being a supposed 5-star recruit and the other just transferred about a month ago). This doesn't mean Kruger didn't recruit good, it means two players couldn't hack it and decided to leave.

    Secondly, recruit from Europe? Yeah it's a little late for that because like I said, Kruger didn't know he was gonna have a scholarship available. It's not like there's some undiscovered European phenom just waiting to get signed. European players are just as heavily scouted these days as American players, if not more, because they have interest from European pro leagues, the NCAA, and even the NBA.

  64. Actually, I don't know why I'm trying to use facts and reasoning to get through to you.
    Bottomline is you're acting like a child who didn't get his way and now you're throwing a temper tantrum.
    Oh we didn't win a national championship, so no one else is a real fan like me, wah wah wah.

  65. StevenLorang - it's nice to see an intelligent adult having a real discussion. this sinatra charcter is just a hard headed uneducated tard. wow how i wish he could sit next to me at a game, o wait im a season ticket holder and only sit next to other season ticket holders so he wouldnt be able to sit next to me.

    Anyways this rebel team is going to be an extremely good team for at least, at least the next 4 years. We have such a solid base of young players that are going to grow these next few years into a powerhouse program. Kruger is doing a great job recruiting by not only getting players that can play right away but getting the team ready for years to come. one player though i wish we could get is Victor Rudd but he'll be a one and done player and he's to much of a premadonna for krugers style but the kid is exciting to watch.

    sinatra i think its about nap nap time for you so go lay down and slip your daddy's "thumb" in your mouth and get some rest little guy. =)

  66. Lol, this Incognito guy cracks me up. If you agree with him you get - "it's nice to see an intelligent adult having a real discussion".

    If you dare to disagree with him you're a "dumb, idiot POS".

    What time's recess.

  67. I love it.....all of you guys resort to name calling and degrading anyone who has an opposing point of view. Instead of demanding more from from your team you resort to defending mediocrity. You are hilarious.......

    You can't come up with anything better than...."You're an idiot....you are a dumbass.....you are stupid"......laughable at best.

    S711

  68. Sinatra- this team has been far from mediocre. Mediocre is what you watched at UNLV in the mid-90's.
    And you have a total lack of understanding with regards to recruiting. If we already have a full rotation for 2009-2010, why waste a scholarship on someone who would just dilute playing time. Tark used to play 7 guys. Kruger plays 10. The last thing we need is 10 high school all americans on the team at one time. Talk about strife. Why do you think we get guys like Willis, Stanback and Thomas transferring in as sophmores? Because their teams (Memphis, UCLA and Kansas) OVER recruit and their is not enough PT for everyone.

  69. rose1414 - Who doesn't understand what? Answer this question......are you saying we can't recruit 2 prospects better than our bottom 2 rotation players? If your answer is yes, then that even reinforces how bad we are at recruiting because we all know we didn't get the cream of the crop. Of course we could find 2 players better than the bottom 2 of our rotation.....and if the answer is NO, then it also reinforces how bad we are recruiting because we didn't do anything about it.

    Do you see how scholarships work? It is suppose to allow teams to recruit the best players possible....who cares about PT for the bottom players? Seriously? Do you care about the team? or how much PT players get?

    I care about the team and winning. I could care less how much PT players get.....just like UCLA, Kansas, Memphis, and others.....they don't care either. Maybe we should change our mindset like the powerhouses.

    S711

  70. Sinotra succotash, your POSTS are unintelligent. This program HAS NEVER GOTTEN "top ten recruits". They've always been diamond in the rough type of guys. The school's NC came from those type of players.

    Your takes are weak, shape it up or take your smack somewhere else!

  71. Grayback4Life - Why don't you take your "weak" comebacks somewhere else? Who made you God? I'm not going anywhere. Maybe you should take your mediocrity somewhere else?

    So what if the program has NEVER recruited Top 10 players? You mean to tell me just because we've never landed a Top 10 player that we shouldn't try?

    Don't you all see how ridiculous that sounds? It is amazing to me how you all settle for mediocrity. To achieve greatness, you have to dare to be great......take a chance, strive to be NUMBER 1, break the mold, elevate your game. In order to do that you have to step into uncharted territory. Oh wait.....I'm sorry, that's too much work, nevermind.....I forgot who I was talking to here.

    S711

  72. The world is full of negative people. I believe UNLV will contest final fours again and win a national title in the near future. And that means everyone picking up their game - the coach with his recruiting, the players with their dedication, and the fans with their crowd support. GO REBELS!

  73. Just stand down 711, your comments are that of a simpleton when it comes to this program.

    I am the db police and you're in violation scrub.

    You don't even have a solution for the gripe you present...scholar!

  74. #1-who needs a top ten player who will leave after one year? #2- UNLV has NEVER had a top ten recruit. Probably the best high school recruit ever to go here was Sidney Green. The highest rated JC recruits were probably Larry Johnson and Shawn Marion. Lamar Odom was a top ten player, but recruiting him only landed us in trouble.
    Tark took tons of transfers, solid high schoolers and JC players. He got guys to buy into his system and play together. And he NEVER had a bench full of high school all americans. And he probably had the greatest team in history in 1991.
    Kruger is doing the same thing. He wants guys who buy into his system. If you disagree with his system-fine- but to criticize his recruiting his plain ignorant.

  75. Its funny how no matter what anyone tries to tell Sinatra, regardless of how many facts are used or the content of the argument, his argument is always the same:

    Blah, blah, don't applaud mediocrity, will the team to do better, demand more, etc.

    Okay, Ill take you up on your advice. I'll be at every game next year trying to will the team to do more and demand wins. Will you? Where's your season tickets?

  76. When I went to UNLV, it was right after the Tark years. I suffered through Grgrich (sp?), Massomino, Bayno, et al. I am aware of the history of the program. Every year it was "We'll get them next year" or "Coach FILL IN THE BLANK will turn the program around" or "We're on the right track with these JC transfers".......

    Over time, I've come to the conclusion that this type of attitude is part the reason why we disappoint year after year. I didn't always have this attitude. Believe me.....I was just like all of you on this thread, defending the team NO MATTER WHAT. Then I asked myself these questions:

    - Do great universities have this attitude? UNC, Duke, UCLA, USC (Football), Texas (Football)

    - During down years, how do great Universities respond to poor performance or let down years?

    If you can separate yourself for 1 minute from your emotions and be willing to open your mind for a different point of view consider these points:

    - The answer to the 1st question above is....NO, those universities would never and I mean NEVER settle for mediocrity. So, what does that mean? Well, it means Fans and local media get critical of the coach, AD, and players. Yes, they support their team during the season....but during the off-season, game on they are criticized to no end and put pressure on them to perform and get better.

    - The answer to the 2nd question above is that those universities make a change......if something doesn't work, FIX it. Of course, I realize Kruger won't get fired before this season, but if he disappoints another season, FIRE Him.

    - I won't rehash my unhappiness with our recruiting for this year. And to say that a Top 10 recruit for 1 year is worthless....I beg to differ....do you think Syracuse regrets having Melo for 1 yr? or Texas with Durant? hmm...? Seriously? You wouldn't have taken Lebron for 1 yr if he went to college? It would be foolish to say no.

    - The Alum of great universities get together and help the cause. This is what I believe is the biggest problem with UNLV. Our Alumi Association is not powerful. What we need is Alumni who can get boosters together to generate money. Why is this important? Because we need boosters to help us recruit......if you think this is dumb, ask people who know about those top schools how important boosters are.

    So to recap......yes, Fans can cheer and root their team on......but in my opinion, it goes beyond that. Fans need to hold their coaches, AD, and players accountable. We need to stop accepting everything we do just because we are fans of the team. When we see something is not right, question it. We are fans after all and without us there is no team. But for this fan, I'm sick of the letdowns, rebuilds, and "wait for next year" attitude.

    S711

  77. StevenLorang - See you at the games. And yeah, I will be there cheering the team, trying to will them to victory. Been doing that since I moved here to attend UNLV. Granted, I've missed some games over the years, but it wasn't due to a lack of support.......it's hard to make 100% of all the games.

  78. So then, if you've suffered through the down years of Rollie, Billy, Max and Spoon why are you complaining? None of them have reached the success Lon has.

    Yes, it is common knowledge the school has screwed up royally with our beloved Runnin' Rebs over the years. But, our juggernaut was something that to this day has not been duplicated by ANY program. The game is not even played that way anymore. Just because we're UNLV doesn't entitle us to another all-century type of team...that was a once in a 50 year phenomenon.

    What I'm saying is this: Read Jerry's books, read Lon's book and I'm confident your views will change.

  79. Grayback4Life - Don't take this the wrong way....but I don't care about books. They don't win games. I care about results. If we disappoint again this year, I want Kruger's resignation or termination. A program like ours cannot suffer back to back disappointing seasons.

    I can't impact certain things like game time coaching decisions or player skills. However, as a Fan and an Alum, I can force them to take responsibility for their actions. And if enough of us do the same....we can make a difference.

    S711

  80. No doubt everyone on here wants the Rebels to be back to the elite status where we once were. However some on here don't see the writing on the wall. Sure this program was on the fritz for a long time but you must admit that the program is heading in the direction we need it to be heading. When was the last time time we have had outstanding recruits like Noel Johnson considering UNLV along with the likes of Georgia Tech, LSU, UCONN, Florida? Probably not in a long time...if ever. Whether Noel Johnson chooses UNLV over the others or not is not my point. Leaving the past in the past, my point is that if you can't see this as a sign of improvement along with the other recruits as a sign of the UNLV basketball resurgence then your jaded well beyond reason.

  81. Travel - Answer this question......how did we finish this past year? All of the talk about top recruits thinking about coming here is a bunch of BS. We need to land them. Lamar Odom considered UNLV....so did a bunch of other top recruits in the past....it means nothing if we don't land them. Signs of improvement is getting them to sign and play for the team....not just "considering" it.

    S711

  82. We have landed top recruits...Anthony Marshall...he will play for us this upcoming year..

  83. Woohoo!!!! Go Sinatra!!!!

    Mee, where are you my son?

  84. Travel - I'm not sure I would classify Anthony Marshall as a top recruit. He is ranked between 66 and 91 on the recruiting sites I've seen. We'll see how he pans out.

    Here's an evaluation from ESPN:

    http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruitin...

    August, 2008: Marshall is the quintessential glue-type for the next level. He isn't the quickest and/or the most explosive prospect, but he is certainly one of the toughest around the country and he has a terrific feel for the game. He is a streaky shooter who gets great lift and his release is solid. Despite his size he is one of the better rebounding guards in the nation. He has great timing around the basket and possesses that innate ability of being around the basketball. He is a 2-guard who can play the 1 as well because of his savvy. He struggles breaking down defenders off the bounce, but he utilizes the pump-fake very well to get separation and his passing ability is high-level. Marshall may not have a true position as of yet but he'll fit into Lon Krueger's style of play because he is a terrific defender and he has the skills and savvy to play multiple positions.

    S711

  85. But according to your earlier posts 711, UNLV can't get top 100 recruits. A bonafide example is presented and now he doesn't count?

    Strawman argument there.

    Seems like you desire the "Keon Clarks" and "Renardo Sidneys" of the college basketball world. To that I say no thank you.

  86. Marshall is a top recruit, certainly better than his ranking. If he'd signed with Kansas like Johnson (local kid) did, his position would have jumped 20. Marshall was 56 before dropping for no reason. The rankings are biased.

    Noel Johnson is ranked #30 and UNLV are probably the front runner to sign him.

    Sinatra, you may be a little out of touch with what's going on with the program, recruiting wise and the level of players starting next year. It's shaping up as a very good roster.

  87. Yeah, yeah.....all you guys do is bash opposing views. We'll see how Marshall turns out. If he's a stud, I'll eat crow. At least I will stand by my word. Will you eat crow if he's a bust?

    S711

  88. Sure, but we both know you only show your face to criticize never to commend.

  89. what's_in_the_box - I'm not like you guys who name call and are afraid to criticize our team. I will stand behind my word and face the music if I'm wrong.....I stand behind what I say.

    S711

  90. Why does it sound like you are hoping Marshal is a bust, so you can sit here and tell everyone I told you so?

  91. Actually I was the only one who was defending your comments above, Sinatra but I guess they were right. Go give yourself an uppercut.

  92. Negative energy? That's laughable that you say that.......in my opinion, it is all of YOU who have the negative energy! All I hear from you guys are phrases like:

    "We are only a mid-major team, we can't recruit with the big conference teams."

    "We never recruited big names, so why start now?"

    "We don't want a 1 and done type player, that will ruin team chemistry and be a waste of a scholarship."

    "It's ok to recruit a player who won't play this year, because NEXT year will be better."

    "Despite a down year, Kruger is doing a good job, so you should leave him alone."

    "We shouldn't strive to be a big time program because we will never be a big time program."

    It's so funny.....like the pot calling the kettle black. Sure, I criticize the coach & team, and I can see why that can be construed as negative. However, I'm trying to elevate the status of our program by expecting more out of it......not to be satisfied with mediocrity. I'm looking for positive results by pointing out the areas that need attention and calling out the people who's responsibility is to strive for excellence. You forget that we pay these coaches to win championships......not be the best Mid Major team in the country.

    S711

  93. I like how you quoted:

    "We shouldn't strive to be a big time program because we will never be a big time program."

    because I guarantee you no one ever said that.

    Everyone knows we used to be a big time program. The fact is we're not right now. But I want more than anything for us to be big-time again. Don't kid yourself and think you're the only one who wants it.

    You are just a negative person with little insight into recruiting and what it takes to run a succesful basketball program (not that any of us really do).

    You just come off as pompous and ignorant.

  94. I agree with 711. If Kruger doesn't win we should fire him, and if the next coach doesn't win we should fire him..and the next..and the next.. Boy am I sounding like I am intelligent. Wait till I get to work I think this will make my employees better. I mean after all it is proven in the history books that firing your coach or demanding nothing but the best leads to championships. Let me know how that goes after 45-50 coaches?

    I hear there is a line of outstanding coaches who are unemployed who cannot wait to get here with all the recruits we need, and I know for a fact how much recruits want to come to my unstable program. The other thing I am certain about is 711 knows more about basketball than Kruger, after all Kruger obviously doesn't want to win. (they don't call me the Terminator for othing, although some call *$#-#$@).

    If you do your homework I want you to look up Jasper, Stanbeck, Marshall, Thomas, and possibly Johnson who are/were all ranked in the top 100 prospects by either scout, rivals, or espn. Carlos Lopez is in the top 150. Whats wrong with Kruger our whole team should be top 25 recruits.(getting smarter all the time, and yes I am a member of the Rebel Athletic Fund and alumnus of UNLV for 21 years, so I know I am right).

    On a real note I would like to thank coach Kruger for

    1) Getting the fans back in the T & M and getting them fired up about our team. Noone has done that in a while.

    2)For putting up with us, because I know we are impatient and want to win the championship yesterday.

    3)For bringing in what looks like potentially the best group of players we have had in a while and I know if it doesn't work out in the win and loss column that you will keep trying.

    Go Rebels!

  95. You're delusional if you think posting on a stupid message board is going to have any affect on the program one way or another. It's entertainment. It's fun for fans and haters to argue. But it won't make one ounce of difference in the long run.

    We're all just fans. We can donate to the RAF or not, buy tickets or not, go to the games or not go. That is the extent of our ability to influence the UNLV Basketball program.

    Whether or not Rebel Robert, Sufferin Succotash, rebfan4evr, homer, Sinatra 711 are the same person (i think it's more like 2) is mute. The point is they could be. The one or two haters can make it seem like there is a whole army of anti-Kruger donkeys. And that is obviously the goal. Given that fact, it's foolish for anyone to think that any internet forum would/should be taken seriously by the real decision makers.

    Kruger is responsible for the largest year-to-year increase in season ticket purchases since Tark was here. He is responsible for UNLV being 22nd in the nation in attendance last year.

    http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/stats/m_b...

    Besides the money/attendance, he's brought stability and respect back to UNLV when those things were absent for so incredibly long.

    My guess is that even if we don't make the tournament next year, Kruger isn't going anywhere unless he choses to. Personally, I'd rather give a proven, succesful coach 1 or 2 down years than continue the revolving door policy that kept UNLV in the basement for those 16 dark years in between Tark and Kruger.

    But again, in the grand scheme of things my personal opinion on an internet message board is going to have zero affect on the situation. To imagine otherwise demonstrats an over inflated sense of self importance.

    Let the haters hate. Let the koolaid drinkers drink. None of it really matters or makes a difference... It's only the internet.

  96. Only the internet? Don't you understand how cyberspace works? Its like the matrix. Every irrelevant post on lvsun is downloading into the players' heads and Kruger's head. Thus we can will our team to a championsip by being ignorant and unreasonable on the internet.

  97. I'm sorry if you think my comments are that of a hater....I believe I am fully supporting the team by holding our coach accountable......if you disagree fine. I've come to the conclusion that you will never see my side of the story.....and that is unfortunate. I was on your side of the fence for so many years.....nothing could be said about the program without it getting seriously attacked by me.

    As I've grown older, I've realized that you can't improve with that attitude. You have to be able to separate your emotions with reality and understand what needs to get done. What Kruger has done in the past has no bearing on what is happening now. Bottom line....we missed the NCAA tournament this year....it was a disappointment....we don't need another one this year. If we do, it's time to evaluate Kruger's job based on the results of now and now 2, 3, or 4 years ago.

    If the answer is that the program is slipping....we need to make a change. If he gets us deep into the NCAA tournament, then he stays. What's the big deal with that? Oh wait....it's because I'm suggesting that the infallible Kruger might have to go. Oops...my bad.

    S711

  98. You're right about one thing. I will never see your side. I have too much respect for UNLV Student Athletes to label these hard working young men (and fellow Rebels) as "throwaways" or "scraps" or "scrubs." And you've done that before they've played one minute in a UNLV uniform.

    I've met Jasper and Stanback. I think very highly of them, both as young men and basketball players. They deserve much better than to be maligned by the likes of you.

  99. true_fan - I can't help it if you don't like hearing the truth....but it's true. I never attacked their character......they are probably great guys. But the reality is that they weren't good enough to start in a top program......so they ended up with us. You wouldn't call that a scrap? How would you define that?

    I'd rather see us land top flight talent.

    S711

  100. Once again, you're putting your own ignorance on display.

    And that is not calling you names, so don't start again with the persecution complex. That is stating a fact.

    The "reality" is that Jasper DID start at Kentucky. And BCG begged him to stay. If fact there were reports from Kentucky that losing Jasper is part of the reason he was canned.

    You have no idea what you're talking about. You're an unknowledgable "fan."

    You're making things up to push your anti-Kruger agenda. The more you post, the easier it is to see through your BS.

    And to answer your question, no. I would not call UNLV Student Athletes a "scrub" or "scrap" or "throwaway."

  101. true_fan - Well, I guess I will agree to disagree on this subject. It's obvious we don't see eye to eye on this.

    Next.

    S711

  102. S711 - No one here agrees with you or sees eye-to-eye with your distorted views.

  103. Grayback4Life - I wasn't commenting on you.....see how you just pile it on for no reason? You are a trouble maker for anybody who has an opposing point of view. Oh wait.....it is possible that Tark agrees with some of the opposing points of view......OH NO! That can't be happening!

    Too bad dude, I'm not going away, get over it. Despite your attempts to try and gang up on me, I will continue to speak my mind as I please.

    Next.

    S711

  104. S711 - I oppose YOUR views...and side with everyone else on this board who thinks you're a pompous pain in the arse.

    Like I said, it is fun for me to continually expose your weak philosophies on this subject. Bring it on.

    Lame.

  105. Grayback4Life - I look forward to it. See you around the site!

    S711