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Driver cards and immigration role

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I can see one advantage to issuing driver’s authorization cards to illegal immigrants.

Most people are not aware that the police are not authorized to ask to see the green card even though there may be suspicions that the person is in the country illegally. But, as we all know, police officers can ask to see a drivers license, and presumably the new driver’s authorization card.

That makes it easy — if the person has a driver’s authorization card, they are automatically known to be in the country illegally and must be reported to the immigration authorities. Seems like progress to me.

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  1. If the letter writer's premise is correct, no illegal in his/her right mind will opt for the driver ID card. Why would they? It amounts to a deportation if involved in an accident, or being pulled over for any other reason. They are all driving NOW, and their "insurance" usually amounts to "crash and dash". What a joke.

  2. Governor Sandoval's support and signing of this legislation is forward looking. The quicker and easier that the state laws acclimate immigrants into the mainstream, as this law does, the better for all.

    Carmine D

  3. Puleeeze! Next, we'll be issuing keys to bank robbers so the Willie Sutton wanna-be's will have an easier time of it. What part of illegal do you not understand and why do you want to reward their disregard for our immigration laws in any way, shape or manner? It boggles my mind that the screwalls on the left say it's impossible to deport 11 million river waders because they cannot be found, yet willy-nilly hand over "drivers cards" to law breakers. I say, go home, get in line and wait to enter the United States legally. My grandparents did and, I believe, so did most of yours.

  4. Carmine says "The quicker and easier that the state laws acclimate immigrants into the mainstream, as this law does, the better for all."

    Actually current state laws acclimate immigrants into the mainstream just fine. What current state laws didn't do, but this does, is acclimate CRIMINALS into the mainstream.

    Remember, people who went through the LEGAL immigration process had no barriers to getting a drivers license in Nevada.

  5. IF YOU WANT THIS AMNESTY BILL TO PASS, THEN SIT BACK AND RELAX. IF NOT, DO SOMETHING TO STOP IT.

    Senator Heller needs to be hearing the public's deep objections to the S. 744 immigration bill that will get a vote of the full Senate in June.

    The word from various Senate staffers is that if they are not hearing the phones ring with objections EVERY day, the Senators and their top advisors assume that opposition is dying down. We can't let let the Senators and staffs thinking they can get by with voting FOR this bill.

    Call Senator Heller and tell him to vote NO on S.744 the Amnesty bill. (Here's a toll-free number: 888-978-3094). You can leave a message after hours with most Senators 24 hours a day.

    If you're nervous about making that first call to a Senate receptionists, just say your name and where you are from and ask them to tell the Senator that he/she should vote NO on S.744 because it puts amnesty before enforcement.

    Here's how to find out who your reps are and their e-mail addresses:
    http://www.contactingthecongress.org

  6. "What current state laws didn't do, but this does, is acclimate CRIMINALS into the mainstream."

    You don't know that for fact. You think it to be true. Since the law just passed, there are no facts for or against your opinion based on facts.

    Carmine D

  7. Carmine says "You don't know that for fact. You think it to be true. Since the law just passed, there are no facts for or against your opinion based on facts"

    A pretty funny reply for you considering that my post was a response to YOUR statement about what the new law will accomplish. Have you already forgotten saying "The quicker and easier that the state laws acclimate immigrants into the mainstream, AS THIS LAW DOES, the better for all." (emphasis mine)

    You are the one who made the claim that this law acclimates "immigrants" into the mainstream quicker and easier. I simply pointed out that since legal immigrants were already allowed to get drivers licenses, the only immigrants it could affect would be those who commit the crime of entering the country illegally.

    But hey, if you want to make the argument now of "Since the law just passed, there are no facts for or against your opinion" I'd suggest you start by addressing that reply to the June 4th 5:19am comment by CarmineD regarding what "this law does".

  8. How long will it be before those looking for economic opportunities in the US choose freedom over the lock step brown or black uniformed troops carrying their number tattooing equipment to single them out?

    Of course, that will mean that fewer "legal" residents will face paying down the debt. The majority of those without representation contribute via taxes withheld from paychecks.

    All "legals", open our wallets wider!

    Personally, I think people of goodwill everywhere should find ways to help people in the US and around the world to rise from the chains of poverty to enjoy freedom and all human rights, rather than let abuse, envy, fear, greed, and hate promote the worst in human beings.

    What we see now, in many areas, is the demise of moral good. We have a moral crisis bigger than all the individual topics that divert our attentions and divide us.

  9. Good point Charles. So, let's wait and see if the law passes the test of time. And let the facts and experience speak to your or my view.

    I will state this. If the immigrants receive a license legally, rather than driving without one, all Nevadans benefit from their compliance with the new.

    Carmine D

  10. Criminals, legally documented or not, will drive without a license until caught. Then will continue to drive illegally until they are not allowed to. How? Incarceration? Think that will happen? Not for driving without a license but likely for the other crimes committed in addition to driving without a license.

    Carmine D

  11. Get deported for driving without a license? Denied citizenship? Perhaps yes to one and/or both. Time will tell.

    Carmine D

  12. Carmine says "Criminals, legally documented or not, will drive without a license until caught."

    So are you claiming that no one wil actually get these driver's authorization cards? Because the new cards only apply to illegal immigrants, and all illegal immigrants, by committing the crime of enetering the country illegally, are criminals.

    Or are you trying to redefine "criminal" to mean only illegal immigrants who commit ANOTHER crime beyond the one they already commit by enering the country illegaly?

  13. Neither. Want to try again? Or should I assist you?

    First, I disdain the term "illegal." People are not illegal.

    Second, I am in favor of annexing Mexico with its consent.

    Third, criminals don't break just one law by the time they are caught. They break more.

    Fourth, if undocumented immigrants start with getting their license and insurance, it is a good path on the way to citizenship and productive purpose here.

    Carmine D

  14. You are right Carmine.

    People who break the law are not "illegal", they are "criminals".

    No amount of weaseling on your part only once be any less "criminal" than those who creak it multiple times.

    Those who broke the law once by coming here illegally, are just as much "criminals" as those who only robbed a bank once, or those who only murdered once.

    Every "undocumented immigrant" (to use your term) is a criminal by definition.

  15. By your definition of criminals, all the pilgrims, explorers, and settlers to America qualify.

    Carmine D

  16. Really Carmine? That's the best you can do?

    But Ok, I'll bite. I said:
    People who break the law are not "illegal", they are "criminals".

    Cite the specific law that the "pilgrims, explorers, and settlers to America" broke.

    Because the law that the illegal immigrants chose to break is pretty clear. 8 USC 1151-1381