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NRA is trying to sink the USA

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The United Nations recently took a vote against arms dealers selling weapons all over the world to countries that might use them to promote genocide and terrorism on a grand scale. Naturally, the National Rifle Association and its cronies in Congress call this global gun regulation. They see this as an affront to their profits from gun sales, and I guess some Republicans and Democrats see this as an obstacle to their war profiteering.

The NRA keeps good company, doesn’t it? Also against the so-called global gun regulation are Syria, Iran and North Korea. The acronym for these countries together is SINK. Throw in the U.S. and the acronym is SINK US, and that’s exactly what the NRA is trying to do to the United States. Any time we start agreeing with terrorist countries like Syria, Iran and North Korea, we are no better than they are. We need to keep the U.S. out of it and let the NRA sink with them.

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  1. Just one more example of the NRA's paranoia.

  2. The NRA doesn't make policy in the UN. Instead of SINK US, it should read SINK NRA. The United States voted to approve the treaty.

  3. If President Obama gets any of his gun control measures passed, he can thank the Republicans in the House and Senate. The Senate Democrats have betrayed and abandoned him on gun controls. Who get's the blame? The NRA. Really? Like the criminals in the Atlanta, Georgia school system blaming standardized tests for making them change the test answers.

    Carmine D

  4. "The treaty is poorly worded to disguise its intend." "This has been Obama's back door mean to eliminate guns and clips and bullets in America."

    Why is it so easy for some to believe in this paranoidal dribble? When will you people realize the NRA is nothing less than a lobbyist for gun manufacturers?

  5. Poppycock, drivel and worse! China, Britain, Russia, France are among the many nations who peddle arms to nearly anyone with a buck to spend and we're the "bad" guys? Give me a break from the "Hate America First" crowd, so many of whom post their venom in this forum on a daily basis. They're full of $#*#! Not a word of criticism from these America bashers about the dangers posed by nuclear nuts like North Korea or the slaughter perpetrated by Islamist fundamentalists on innocent people every day of the week. Apparently, they hate the system they are a part of so much they would destroy it given the opportunity. And much of their hate stems from their own failures to succeed and their envy of those who have. They are more dangerous to our traditional way of life than any dictator in a foreign country and we must be vigilant in our opposition to them and their agenda if we wish to preserve the United States of America as that "Shining City on the Hill!"

  6. CarmineD - "If President Obama gets any of his gun control measures passed, he can thank the Republicans in the House and Senate. The Senate Democrats have betrayed and abandoned him on gun controls."

    If that is true, then why are 13 Republican senators saying they will filibuster any attempt at passing a gun violence bill?

  7. "Throw in the U.S. and the acronym is SINK US, and that's exactly what the NRA is trying to do to the United States."

    Witherspoon -- your letter is foolish. The NRA is merely a group of your like-minded fellow citizens exercising their First Amendment freedoms.

    "Who get's the blame? The NRA. Really? Like the criminals in the Atlanta, Georgia school system blaming standardized tests for making them change the test answers."

    CarmineD -- excellent post!

    "When will you people realize the NRA is nothing less than a lobbyist for gun manufacturers?"

    VernosB -- more herdspeak. Any lobbying efforts in support of any part of the Bill of Rights deserves respect. Just because you think a protected freedom is unpopular doesn't mean you can make that choice for anyone else.

    "Give me a break from the "Hate America First" crowd ... Not a word of criticism from these America bashers about the dangers posed by nuclear nuts like North Korea or the slaughter perpetrated by Islamist fundamentalists on innocent people every day of the week."

    lvfacts -- pretty good post, with a sobering point about what's being done in the rest of the world in the name of religion.

    "If we are wrong, we have wasted 15-20 minutes of a gun purchasers time."

    Jeff -- and impermissibly chilled exercise of a protected freedom. As if any new laws would have any effect whatsoever on actual criminals.

    "Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rulemaking or legislation which would abrogate them." -- Miranda v. Arizona, 384 U.S. 436, 491 (1966)

  8. "I say: Then why have drivers licenses? ....."

    Jeff -- you're obviously totally ignorant of the difference between an express protection of the Bill of Rights and licensing statutes. If that makes me a "dwindling minority," then we have nothing more to Discuss here. Since I'm not inclined to school you on the basics of what every citizen should know, let's leave it at that.

    "The foundation of the freedoms we enjoy as Americans is the U.S. Constitution, the longest surviving constitution of any nation in history. To be civically unaware is to diminish our freedom, but knowing our history makes us all better Americans." -- George Nethercutt Jr., former Congressman in his book "In Tune with America"

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/07/04/10-...

  9. Freedom is only important if your alive to enjoy it.

    The NRA... millions dead and counting.

  10. If that is true, then why are 13 Republican senators saying they will filibuster any attempt at passing a gun violence bill?"

    Vernos:

    I answered that question and you yesterday on another thread. You're not paying attention.

    You can go back and read it. But you stand corrected. It is the "threat" of filibuster by the Republicans. Senator John McCain has said that the Senate Republicans should let the gun bill[s] go to the Senate floor for votes. McCain is right. The bills will not pass. There is not enough Democratic support in the Senate. The Republicans have won this fight already. A filibuster is a waste of time.

    Carmine D

  11. The NRA is just another sign of the moral decline of the US. It seems more like the drug cartels.

  12. "So, what makes civilians and their Second Amendment cries more privileged than a United States Marine?"

    BChap -- 1) as a Marine you took an oath primarily to support, protect and defend the U.S. Constitution; 2) nothing in the Bill of Rights is a privilege subject to government denial; and 3) even as one formerly proficient in the use of weapons, under the proposed laws you would face the same pre-qualification scrutiny as the least-experienced and evil-motivated applicant.

    "...the enshrinement of constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table." District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. (slip opinion at 64) (2008)

  13. With nearly half the world's guns in this country people should spend more time saving and investing for their future and less time wasting their life savings in gun shops.

    A large percentage of the countries guns are in states where people have the least money. Nevada is the classic example.

    300+ million guns and nearly 150 million getting some type of social welfare. That's one hell of a combination.

  14. A nut job attacks people on a Houston campus ... 14 wounded zero killed.

    A nut job breaks into a school ... within 5 minutes 20 children and 6 adults dead.

    That is the difference between a whack job with a box cutter and a whack job carrying a gun and enough ammunition to stage a small fire fight.

  15. "It's useless for me to even attempt to answer someone who thinks they have a Constitutional right to do whatever they want, whenever they want, and at the expense of anyone else."

    BChap -- who said that here? It wasn't me.

    "Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." -- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Isaac H Tiffany (1819)

  16. "That is the difference between a whack job with a box cutter and a whack job carrying a gun and enough ammunition to stage a small fire fight."

    VernosB -- and you can't seem to be capable of seeing the difference between "a whack job" and the rest of us law-abiding citizens, since it's the latter who are going to be penalized. You know, the former being incapable of knowing the difference.

    "If the exercise of constitutional rights will thwart the effectiveness of a system of law enforcement, then there is something very wrong with that system." -- Escobedo v. State of Illinois, 378 U.S. 478, 490 (1964)

  17. North Korea recently called nuclear weapons 'The Nation's Life,' and Won't Trade Them For 'Billions Of Dollars'.

    North Korea claims that it's missiles shield and protect them from US Government takeover and aggression.

    The NRA claims that their guns protect individual freedoms from US Government takeover and aggression.

    What the North Korean and NRA have in common is the belief that maintaining their weapons of destruction is the ONLY WAY to strike fear into the heart of their evil opponent and protect them both from US Government aggression and takeover. With such similar world views, one can also expect similar long term objectives from both, even if they wear different lapel pins.

  18. KillerB - "VernosB -- and you can't seem to be capable of seeing the difference between "a whack job" and the rest of us law-abiding citizens, since it's the latter who are going to be penalized. You know, the former being incapable of knowing the difference."

    Actually I can, I've owned many weapons of assorted calibers and presently use a .40 caliber. I also had a concealed carry permit which I let expire. I don't believe using universal registration laws to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals, the mentally unstable, or straw purchasers is ignoring the 2nd Amendment.

  19. An assault weapons and high capacity magazine ban appear to me to be a more reasonable solution. Background checks may prove to be more dangerous to people's civil rights. The mentally ill do not need to be more marginalized. Is the bill of rights written in the order of importance of each individual amendment ? I say privacy and speech are more important than gun toting ; and don't lead to war mongering.

  20. "The NRA claims that their guns protect individual freedoms from US Government takeover and aggression."

    SunJon -- and that purpose was generally upheld by the U.S. Supremes in their recent Heller and/or McDonald decisions.

    "I also had a concealed carry permit which I let expire. I don't believe using universal registration laws to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals, the mentally unstable, or straw purchasers is ignoring the 2nd Amendment."

    VernosB -- my point being you had that choice. Some laws already take most of that away from us and actually criminalize those liberties. Domestic restraining orders have been doing that for at least two decades, all without the required due process. I have a friend going through that now -- very, very scary how little the Bill of Rights means to those who took oaths and get government paychecks to violate them.

    "Background checks may prove to be more dangerous to people's civil rights. The mentally ill do not need to be more marginalized. Is the bill of rights written in the order of importance of each individual amendment ? I say privacy and speech are more important than gun toting..."

    hookershaky -- you raised some good points, I think. I see the danger of "mentally ill" to be who gets to decide, and by what standards. Too often that label is attached to people who are only different, but harmless. To my knowledge none of the first ten amendments -- the Bill of Rights -- were intended to rank higher than the others. History has proven they're all seriously eroded by what passes for our current federal government.

    "The very purpose of a Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials, and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One's right to . . . fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections." -- West Virginia State Bd. of Educ. v. Barnette - 319 U.S. 624, 638 (1943)

  21. @KillerB,

    I agree, there are areas that the government over reached, the Patriot Act for example. We must keep in mind, assuming we are roughly the same age, this planet had changed in every conceivable way possible. In our time the population has doubled from 3 billion to nearly 7.5 billion, and to this day I remember seeing Sputnik orbit with the naked eye. Look at the technology alone since those days. There is little doubt in my mind what our Founders accomplished was extraordinary. They've written the greatest document ever issued by man as to startup a government unlike any other on the planet at that time, but in no way could they possibly have forseen how our society would change. One reason I assume so is because a number of the Amendments are ambiguous. I beleive that was intentional by the Founders allowing for a planned expansion. How could they conceive of every day weapons with massive fire power, the internet, telephones, and computers? That is why we need to tweak the Constitution every once in awhile. If we had not, slavery would still be the common labor force, women would not have a vote, and schools would still be segregated.

  22. Bradley,

    "ESTABLISHING COMMUNITY / PRIVATE RUN ARMORIES AND FIRING RANGES ARE THE ANSWER"

    I fully agree with your statements and rationale.

  23. Zippert1: "Freedom is only important if your alive to enjoy it. The NRA... millions dead and counting." BTW, it's "you're," not "your." Congrats on "your" concern but how about abortion? "Freedom is only important if you're alive to enjoy it. The abortionists... tens of millions dead and counting."

  24. Hello Vernos,
    This statement by you:
    "I agree, there are areas that the government over reached, the Patriot Act for example."

    leads me to add that all these so-called "super patriots" with their guns did nothing while THEIR guy was removing some of THEIR freedoms. Pretty selective outrage there...and the guns were useless.