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I hereby tender my resignation for life from the political process in America, effective Nov. 6.
My experiences have shown me that you cannot change the reality of your life until you accept responsibility for creating it.
America is in a state of denial.
The first step toward recovery is to admit that you have a problem.
America can’t even do that.
Because I can no longer use my vote to address this problem, I must step aside and simply let it happen.
The conclusion of 100 years of progressive philosophy from President Woodrow Wilson to President Barack Obama has returned humanity to the darkness of Plato’s cave.
The problem that Americans haven't faced isn't a choice between a Conservative versus a Progressive philosophy, as the two parties would have you believe.
Most elections, on a national level, clearly show that Americans want 'parts' of both a Conservative and a Progressive philosophy. That's why elections are close to a 50/50 split and Congress is divided nearly evenly.
What Americans cannot decide is how much are they willing to pay for what government does and exactly who is going to pay the bill.
The R party advocates for smaller government but in reality, when elected, doesn't cut much of anything and doesn't raise taxes enough to pay for what is spent.
The D party advocates for larger government and more spending, but when elected, is only willing to raise taxes on the 'wealthy', which doesn't create enough revenue to pay for what government spends.
If Americans continue to 'punt' on the question of matching spending and revenue, it won't matter which side wins the philosophical battle between Conservatives and Progressives because we will self destruct economically.
Michael
David that is great. Democrats and labor Union Bosses now run the country
As promised - Since Obama will be stepping up the redistribution of working class people's money to the DEPENDENCY-CLASS this week I resigned my job to become a beneficiary of Obama's largess.
I encourage other Republican to quit working - Democrats will take care of you
I look forward to Obama raising ALL TAX RATES to the Clinton era - that means jobs creators and the poor alike will pay more - if they are foolish enough to work
We want to have our cake and eat it too. We're mostly content for the government to spend at 25% of GDP and only tax us at 15% of GDP. Those that aren't content but are taxophobic will gladly point out solutions that do not involve their participation.
If you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem.
Americans need to wake up and demand that the two parties pick from a combination of the options below, reach a compromise and act:
There are three main things that could be done to begin to move the nation toward a balance of revenue to spending:
1) Reduce the defense budget by a very large amount (opposed by R's)
2) Change the entitlement programs for future recipients (opposed by the D's)
3) Raise taxes on all Americans by a significant amount (opposed by both parties).
If our two parties do not pick at least one of the above (and institute it in a big and radical way) or use a combination of all three, it is impossible for the nation to move toward balancing spending to revenue.
Michael
Jim Weber is very close with his simple numbers. With a GDP of approximately 16 trillion dollars, if we tax ourselves at a 15 % rate and spend at a 25 % rate, the difference is 10 %, which is about 1.6 trillion dollars, which is approximately the deficit we have been seeing in the last few years.
The math is pretty simple and the path is clear. Spend less or tax more or do a combination of both while waiting for the economy to recover.
Michael
Letter writer is correct. Lies by Obama and his minnows and Americans believe them. Some not all. Remember the breakdown was 50 to 48 percent.
CBO says tax receipts for 2012 despite extending Bush era tax cuts and the putrid economic growth went up for the fiscal year ended September 30 to $2.5 Trillion. Obama and his minnows don't want us to know so he can push through his tax hikes. Even individdual tax payments are up $233 Billion over the last two years or 26 percent. Despite the flat line economic growth. Won't hear that from Obama.
CarmineD
Didn't Mark Twain say "If your vote actually counted for anything they wouldn't let us"?
We'll be okay, just don't have children.
Look in the mirror, Weber. "If you like your health insurer, you can keep it." If you like your doctor, you can keep him/her." "Nothing will change." Pure & simple unadulterated lies from Osama Obama and many dopey American's fell for it. Well, fellow senior citizens, the "chickens have come home to roost." My health insurer dumped the Medicare Advantage plan I, and many others, had for years, and we had to start looking elsewhere. In checking with the insurer, I found I would be able to get a plan that would cover less and cost, get this, TEN-FOLD more per month! That's right! 10X the monthly premium and less coverage! I guess it's the Dumbocrats whose message to seniors is: when you get sick, hurry up and die! Not one Republicrat voted for the scam called "Obamacare." Seniors, did you? Then you get what you deserve. The right to "Hurry up & die!" I hope you're ecstatic with your new government health program brought to you by guys like Reid the Red and Osama Obama.
Let me help you out there David.
The republicans want to destroy the middle class.
Why?
That is what there corporate masters want. In return for this service, they will receive millions of dollars so they can live a life of luxury with you and your kids serving to their every need.
You have billionaires paying millionaires to tell working people that poor people are the problem. They believe that middle class people are too educated and demand to be compensated for their labor and service.
To end this, they came up with the "Two Santa Claus Theory".
When the GOP is in office, they will cut taxes and spend like crazy. Channeling huge sums of money to private sector pals and giving small tax breaks to working people.
They get to be Santa twice.
Eventually a bubble is created and the people elect dems to fix the problem.
Before the dems take over, the GOP start yelling about the debt they created and demand we pay it down before we address the social demands of the working people. The dems are forced to raise taxes or cut services to balance the budget and the people blame the dems aka "The Grinch".
We vote in republicans and they continue the process of destroying the middle class.
This was the election the GOP needed to make that happen.
The SUPREME COURT gave us citizens united so multinational corporations can buy our government and install Romney as President.
Conservative media was put in place to spread propaganda, lies and disinformation.
GOP states passed voter suppression laws.
GOP states purchased rigged electronic voting machines to steal votes.
Every thing was in place to destroy the middle class and return our country back to the "Gilded Age".
Missed by that much.
Now Obama gets to name the supreme court justices and stop the erosion of the middle class.
You better thank Obama, the democrats and the voters who stood in lines for hours to prevent this from happening.
David Barker...sounds like whining...you're voluntarily going into the cave?
Jerry...if you live in Clark County you have a choice of 79 [for 2013] Advantage plans ranging from $15 to $102 per month. You also have a similar number of Medigap plans at similar cost and part D plans from $10 to $67.50. These are in addition, of course, to Medicare A [FREE STUFF] and B [$99.90]. I'd be a pig in mud if I could get those prices. I live in a rural area of Washington. Our county has only one Advantage plan, a pretty poor one though cheap so I opted for Part D and a Medigap. The State Insurance Commissioners office has advisors and plan comparisons. Medicare is one of the better health plans around and it's affordable.
Further.....unless you can actually provide names and numbers I strongly suspect that you may be embellishing your situation. You do have, unfortunately, a reputation for hyperbole.
@Jerry Fink
Will you name the insurance company that increased your Medicare Advantage premiums 10 fold?
So, your insurance company dropped your Advantage plan and replaced it with a supplementary plan?
Why don't you place blame with the insurance company, a for profit corporation, and blame the president for the increases to your premium?
Our country is truly divided and conflicted on so many issues. These extremely close elections prove that point. IF our country is to change its path, or stay its course, it all falls upon those who hold government office. Doing nothing is NOT an option.
For Commenter Jerry Fink, who stated, "The chickens have come home to roost" thought it interesting that last night, PBS aired FRONTLINE's "The Suicide Plan". Perhaps the new trend is towards giving Citizens back their rights, including the personal choice of when "to exit". In case anyone would like the link:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/...
It is doubtful that President Obama's Affordable Care Act includes or references this.
Blessings and Peace,
Star
@Pat Hayes,
Nicely stated. You are absolutely correct.
Everyone on Medicare should look at the Medicare & You Book, page 136, for a list of Medicare Health Plans in Nevada.
CORRECTION: 7:12 A.M.
Should have read:
Why don't you place blame with the insurance company, a for profit corporation, and why do you blame the president for the increases to your premium from the insurance company?
"Perhaps the new trend is towards giving Citizens back their rights, including the personal choice of when "to exit". "
This is what they mean when they say they are fighting for the middle class. There will be a two-tiered medical system, one for the politically connected/rich and one for the rest of us. Enjoy!
Mr. Baker must not have heard the results of the election. President Obama won and the Romney / Ryan ticket was defeated! Rachel Maddow said it best:
(1) "We are not going to have a Supreme Court that will overturn Roe vs. Wade. There will be no more Antonin Scalias and Samuel Alitos added to this court."
(2) "We're not going to repeal health reform. Nobody's going to kill Medicare and make old people in this generation -- or any other generation -- fight it out on the open market to try to get themselves health insurance. We're not going to do that."
(3) "We're not going to give the 20% tax cut to millionaires and billionaires, and expect [cutting] programs like food stamps and kids' health insurance to cover that tax cut."
(4) "We're not going to make you clear it with your boss if you want to get birth control with the insurance plan that you're on."
(5) "We are not going to redefine rape."
(6) "We are not going to amend the constitution to stop gay people from getting married."
(7) We're not going to double down on Guantanamo.
(8) "We're not eliminating the Department of Energy, the Department of Education, or Housing at the Federal level."
(9) "We are not going to spend two trillion dollars on the military, that the military does not want."
(10) "We are not scaling back on student loans because the country's NEW plan is that you should borrow money from your parents."
(11) "We are not vetoing the Dream Act, we are not 'self-deporting.'"
(12) "We are not letting Detroit go bankrupt."
(13) "We are not starting a trade war with China on Inauguration Day in January."
(14) "We are not going to have -- as a president -- a man who once led a mob of friends to run down a scared gay kid to hold him down and forcibly cut his hair off with a pair of scissors while that kid cried and screamed for help. (And there was NO apology, not EVER.)"
(15) "We are not going to have a Secretary of State John Bolton. We are not going to bring Dick Cheney Back. We are not going to have a foreign policy shop stocked with architects of the Iraqi war, we are not going to do it " We had the choice to do that if we wanted to do that, as a country, and we said no, last night, loudly."
So no Mr. Baker, in a Romney Ryan administration we would have taken America back to the 1930's, President Obama will take America forward.
All of the Republicans that support tax cuts for the top 1-2% of the population should take a look at the USA Today and see the impact on you if the GOP does not compromise. You are all still fighting and supporting a party that does NOT care about you! LOOK and see how you will be impacted. I will continue to support the president even though it will cost us lots of money, but I think the top 1-2% of the population needs to pay their share. You are fighting for 4.6% tax increase to the top 1-2%, which is nothing to them. Your party will become a memory because they just don't get it and you all will still be fighting for them. You are fighting against your own best interest. I don't get it.
The worst think that we could do is go back to the bogus philosophy that cutting taxes for the rich will help stimulate the economy. This is patently false and has been proven so. Yes, we need more tax revenue AND cuts in spending, but our tax policy has to keep, or put more money, in the hands of the middle class. The middle class IS the economic engine of this country because it creates the demand that is required for production and job creation. By the way, this will benefit the upper class MORE than low taxes, because they will make much more money at their businesses.
Many have seen Obama's and a large core of democrats salivating towards the possibility of a socialist America. With Obama, they feel they can finally accomplish this goal. Have you wondered what others who were born in socialist countries but now live in the United States feel about the possibility of a socialist America ? Have a look at the answer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzh-9LBDs...
Text of video:
"It's one of the more personal ads of the 2012 campaign.
But no presidential campaign or super PAC is behind it. Rather, a new TV ad and Web video that warns of the ills of socialism while urging America to vote Republican next month is financed by Hungarian-born billionaire Thomas Peterffy.
In the video, Peterffy recalls his childhood under socialism in Hungary, and says, "The nation became poorer and poorer. And that's what I see happening here." He warns that the United States, his adopted country, is embarking on a "slippery slope."
He continues: "America's wealth comes from the efforts of people striving for success. Take away their incentive with badmouthing success and you take away the wealth that helps us take care of the needy. Yes, in socialism the rich will be poorer -- but the poor will also be poorer. People will lose interest in really working hard and creating jobs."
The ad does not mention President Obama or Mitt Romney once. But in a campaign season where Obama is often accused by Republicans of attacking the wealthy, the target is apparent. Peterffy reportedly plans to spend millions to air the ad in the weeks before Election Day.
Peterffy -- though not as prominent as perhaps the most famous Hungarian-born billionaire, George Soros -- is the founder of Interactive Brokers and one of the richest people in this country. Forbes lists his net worth at $4.6 billion. He's contributed freely over the years to mostly Republican candidates, including to Romney in his last two presidential campaigns. And he gave more than $60,000 to the Republican National Committee last year.
Born in Hungary in 1944, Peterffy left for the United States in 1965. In America, he learned English and eventually launched Interactive Brokers in 1993. He lives in Greenwich, Conn."
You still got Heller and Heck to keep us in Recession don't you ? - sore loser
@Judy 7:38 a.m.
WOW! Fantastic post!!!!!!
Mr. Baker:
I accept your resignation and hope you have a nice exile.
By the way, have you got room to put up a few of your brother and sister kooks with you? I am counting on you to take a couple more kooks off our hands here!
@Notacon 7:55 a.m.
Exactly! I do not understand why the Republicans do not understand that!!!!!!!!
I agree with Jeff!
In 1931, President Woodrow Wilson signed into law the Federal Reserve Act. Years later he apologized to America:
"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." (Woodrow Wilson)
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The Affordable Care Act was passed by Congress and then signed into law by the President Barack Obama on March 23, 2010. On June 28, 2012 the Supreme Court rendered a final decision to uphold the health care law.
"Today, we are spending over $2 trillion a year on health care -- almost 50 percent more per person than the next most costly nation. And yet, as I think many of you are aware, for all of this spending, more of our citizens are uninsured, the quality of our care is often lower, and we aren't any healthier. In fact, citizens in some countries that spend substantially less than we do are actually living longer than we do."
"Make no mistake: The cost of our health care is a threat to our economy. It's an escalating burden on our families and businesses. It's a ticking time bomb for the federal budget. And it is unsustainable for the United States of America." (President Barack Obama)
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One cannot keep taking and then complain about accepting. A lesson all American should learn and take heed. "Don't Bit the Hand that Feed You"
As Carmine would say, Barackward!
And in related news Strikes, Protests hit much of European Union yesterday as the dwindling spiral of socialism continues...
http://news.yahoo.com/anti-austerity-str...
But let's follow the european model because our 'rockstar' president is so "intelligent".
rusty57 Nov. 14, 2012 4:31 a.m.
STATED:
Didn't Mark Twain say "If your vote actually counted for anything they wouldn't let us"?
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Nope, don't think so. I may be wrong, but I don't think Mark Twain said that at all.
Rusty your solution ? europe in the 1930's ?
David Baker: "I hereby tender my resignation for life from the political process in America, effective Nov. 6."
As a Sun commenter and lifelong Democrat I hereby declare that David's resignation is accepted and indeed appreciated by those on the left.
David may be gone but he's not forgotten and he can still do much to make America a better country by convincing other depressed teabaggers to resign from the political process as well.
Anyway, bye bye David. Gosh, it seems like we hardly got to know ye.
Jeff Garner wrote this:
"Many have seen Obama's and a large core of democrats salivating towards the possibility of a socialist America."
I just checked and the only reason I am salivating is because lunch isn't far off...
Could I request less hyperbole from right wing posters please? It just makes you look ridiculous.
Longtimevegan,
Excellent post.
I don't understand why many people that support the Republican Party don't understand. I strongly believe that the Republican Party could care less about the majority of Americans. I don't understand why Republican supporters are protecting, defending the top 1-2% of the population when those people would not give them the time of day. I wish someone, a Republican, would explain why they fight so hard for a group that would not even make eye contact with them. I don't understand why they are fighting so hard against their own interest. Who will suffer the middle class and the poor!
Everyone talks about ACA, I think $800.00 per month with coverage that does not go beyond Las Vegas is pretty expensive for a single adult that is pretty healthy. I apologize for the rant, but after looking at the paper today I just don't understand people. Maybe I never did. Maybe I just went along with the Republican mantra and maybe people were asking themselves why I don't get it; why I don't understand. Well, I understand now. And the top 1-2% should be ashamed of themselves!
I don't understand why people don't understand or care about the majority of Americans.
I agree with LastThroes!
Our country took a huge step backwards decades ago when we allowed millionaires, billionaires and special interest groups to control public policy.
Three quarters of the country can't come up with $1000 in an emergency but billionaires are complaining that they are facing an increased tax liability and requirements to provide medical care for workers.
Numerous states are threatening to secede from the union even though 40% or more of the people in those states voted for Obama. Is this rich or what?
Kepi wrote "I don't understand why Republican supporters are protecting, defending the top 1-2% of the population when those people would not give them the time of day. I wish someone, a Republican, would explain why they fight so hard for a group that would not even make eye contact with them."
Kepi, we need consumers with means to spend, investors investing and more Americans employed. We have 17% fewer tax filers and the top wage earners earn 34% less than pre-recession. We had over 1 trillion dollars in deficit spending both before and after Obama's 2009 stimulus so trickle-down government spending doesn't work. The house already voted on Obama's class warfare tax plan this year and it failed with 20 democrats voting against it. Obama sent congress unserious budgets in 2011 & 2012 which did not get one democratic vote. Put plainly, Obama's solutions aren't acceptable solutions to even his own party and aren't solutions at all. At max, the extra tax paid by top wage earners will net less than 60 billion a year which doesn't appreciably reduce our $1.1 trillion(1,100 billion) dollar debt.
The real question Kepi is, do the democrats have any solution at all that will get enough support from moderate democrats? Obama and liberal democrats must first present a solution that's acceptable to its own party.
"Our great nation is heading backward" .......... Now there's some "BREAKING NEWS" I tell ya.
Amazing Obama in the news conference say that as long as the revenue goes up he was okay with not raising the rates on the job creators
Amazing
trickle-down does work. Nearly every single economic metric that I follow has improved dramatically over the last several years. The wealth of the nation has increased by trillions of dollars.
In addition Japan announced on Monday that they were back in recession. Europe is back in recession with the unemployment rate approaching 12%.
This country is one of the last ones if not the last one in the industrialized world that is still growing. I'm not exactly sure what people want in the economic climate the world is facing, but what we are seeing in the United States is about as good as it gets, given the terrible economic climate in the world.
It doesn't matter what the Democrats or Republicans do if economic growth in the world doesn't pick up dramatically were going to see some serious problems in the next few quarters at least.
If the United States economy were contracting and unemployment was at 10%, while the rest of the world was experiencing strong growth you could make the argument that our economic policies were week.
The reality is it's exactly the opposite. Exports are 10% of our economy. Companies with international exposure like DuPont are doing lousy. Companies with strong domestic exposure are still making money. Even Station Casinos is back in the black According to the report this morning. That lousy run company hasn't made money in years.
David: Godspeed on your new journey! Judy--great post of Rachel's very concise summary of what we will NOT have to suffer if the clueless Mr. Romney had been elected. The man actually looked relieved when he gave his concession speech! I really think that even HE realized that he absolutely was not competent to be the leader of the free world. Kepi: nice try, but these folks are just not listening--they absolutely will just keep voting against their own best interests. Good luck to our president--he's going to need it to continue trying to work with the obstructionist Republicans. Something tells me he's not going to be quite so "agreeable" as he was in his first term! (:
Peace says " Good luck to our president.... Something tells me he's [Obama] not going to be quite so "agreeable" as he was in his first term! (:"
WHEN WAS OBAMA EVER AGREEABLE?
Mr. Baker,
What do you know of American history and disparity? Teddy Roosevelt, Andrew Jackson and others knew the source of our troubles. Voting isn't the reason we have these problems, it's what banking has done to this great nation. This isn't the first time the working class suffered at the hands of the "Robber Barons" and until some of you on the right understand that we will continue having problems. The middle class is shrinking not because of Obama but because our jobs and factories are closed and shipped overseas in the name of profits.
Both parties need to work together and taking a firm stance on either side without compromise just won't work. In the last battle over raising the debt ceiling the Tea Party tanked our economic rating. There are several right wing pundits now agreeing with the President for the sake of the country, not because of ideology.
"Yes, as through this world I've wandered
I've seen lots of funny men;
Some will rob you with a six-gun,
And some with a fountain pen."
"And as through your life you travel,
Yes, as through your life you roam,
You won't never see an outlaw
Drive a family from their home." - Woody Guthrie
Gerry,
You stated "trickle-down does work. Nearly every single economic metric that I follow has improved dramatically over the last several years."
Many economic metrics will improve from the point of economic contraction or trough. Unfortunately, it's not at recovery speed. Examples? GDP, private investment and the percent of the population working post-recession compared to previous recessions. I believe Obama stated that "shovel-ready jobs weren't as shovel-ready as he had thought". Gerry, are you in favor of spending an extra $867 billion a year to stimulate the economy?
Every country has experienced an improvement in economic metrics since the world economy collapsed years ago. The issue is most countries are contracting again to a substantial degree. Last quarter the Japanese economy contracted the most since the nuclear reactors blew up. One of the most rapid contractions in Japanese history.
867 billion is chicken feed when you're looking at $20 trillion in losses. I'm in favor of spending trillions if it will prevent a 1932 scenario. In 1929 the economy blew up due to the financial crisis. The economy recovered and in 1932 the depression set in. It took until 1954 for asset classes to fully recover from the depression. I am about the only one talking about this. But if you overlay 1929 to 1932 on top of 2008 to 2012 there are some similarities. If it's 1932 all over again this economy will not recover in my lifetime and I'm Rapidly approaching 60.
Lately the national debt is a 24 hour a day subject on Fox news. Before Fox people didn't know what the hell it was. We have had substantial debt in this country since the place was founded. It took until the 1830s to pay off the revolutionary war. We were then debt free and had an economic collapse immediately following.
Large debts, whether born by countries, industry or individuals never get paid back. Read about the Russian debt crisis, Latin American debt crisis, Asian contagion, Treaty of Versailles. These debts get dealt with but don't get paid back. A depression on the other hand is something that has to be dealt with. When you get unemployment in the 10% to 20% range you've got a 25 year headache.
If countries around the world would've thrown trillions of dollars out of airplanes we wouldn't have this headache now. The first crisis was driven by derivatives. The current one is all about what is called "lax demand" in the developed world. People in the developed world aren't buying enough crap. This is causing excess capacity in the developing world. If both the developed and the developing world hit the skids it's "goodbye my Coney Island baby".
All I know is that That old baxtard Petraeus is getting more pushy than I am.
I don't know what the writer's definition of "backward" is. His entire letter seems a bit ambiguous. Perhaps his ideas are simply outdated and he is confused by the current American society. Or maybe he is a Mitt Romney supporter and was looking forward to a perfect future in which all of our country's problems would have been instantly solved once Mitt and Paul were sworn into office. Either way, you can't stop change and you have the option to be an active or a passive participant.
Gerry,
What would you spend the trillions of stimulus spending on?
The progressive philosophy from President Woodrow Wilson was fought and destroyed by Republicans. Not a lot has changed.
In 1928, the Nazi Party had only 2.6% of the vote. During the 3.5 years after the stock market crash of 1929, Herbert Hoover had allowed the depression to pick up intensity because he felt the Government should not help the public regain the economy.
By 1932, the Great Depression in Germany, much more brutal than in the United States had elected Adolph Hitler to solve their economic problems. Hoover's Republican refusal to use the Government to help the US and Europe (as he had done after WWI) brought Hitler to power. The public won't wait on open ended schedules for esoteric economic philosophies to succeed.
The one person outside of Germany most responsible for bringing Hitler to power was Herbert Hoover. The Republicans have learned little from history after all this time.
Obama learned, that's why GM is in business and the country is climbing out of the greatest recession since the 1930's.
Longtimevegan: "In 1931, President Woodrow Wilson signed into law the Federal Reserve Act. Years later he apologized to America:"
Herbert Hoover was President in 1931. So much for the quotes and the history as well.
"Why don't you place blame with the insurance company, a for profit corporation, and blame the president for the increases to your premium?"
kepi its all about money. Thats it. Wars are fought, taxes go up, and so on. No one has control over it. Not the President or anyone else. No organizations, no church, no community. Insurers are going to raise thier rates. Corporations will not hire or invest. Thats it. A very sad truth but thats what it is and we can't change it. And believe this, taxes and insurance costs will go up. They have to, thats the only way to pay for 38 million more people that are in need of health care. If there was a solution that appealed to all parties they would have presented it. Everyone can blame who they want, but unless those that have the dough aren't in agreement with what is being passed they simply will not give in to the current situation. They will use whatever means necessary to make more, no matter who they hurt along the way.
@Chuck and Freeman,
Just got home have things to do, but thank you both for responding to my request for information. I appreciate it.
If I am not back.
Have a nice evening :)
My response to the fraudulent reelection of President Pretender is to continue to buy precious metals: iron and lead.
Jon Becker wrote "Hoover's Republican refusal to use the Government to help the US and Europe (as he had done after WWI) brought Hitler to power".
Really Jon? What a bizarre theory.
Hooker: "Rusty your solution ? europe in the 1930's ?"
Simpson-Bowles ($3 spending/$1 revenue), cut federal govt so they realize there is a recession out there in the 57 states, leave afghanistan immediately, repel borders and cheap energy. Fire the EPA for doing junkscience since 1993. A good start, we can't regulate ourselves to prosperity.
SunJon,
Both sides try to bend History to make points. History tells us that Hitler came to power in Germany for many reasons and economic hardship was one of the reasons. So were Germany's defeat in WWI, a desire to be the mythical Germany Hitler preached about, as well as a deep seated resentment of the Jews.
There is no way to tell what part of the reason for his rise each of those factors were.
We should try to look at History in its entirety and not just 'pick' out things that seem to fit a narrative we'd like to advance.
Michael
Buckle up kiddies......you have one super hard road ahead.
When the collapse happens.....there ain't going to be food stamps, Social Security, Medicare..... you be lucky if you have a spot in some long bread line.
mikegino - "My response to the fraudulent reelection of President Pretender is to continue to buy precious metals: iron and lead."
Is there any need to understand why the GOP lost? This type of thinking which is locked into sureal beliefs will damage the GOP for years to come. Right wing pundits such as Hannity, Beck, and Limbaugh are paid millions in salary to lie to their audiences. The results of this election is proof that they know jack! After the huge loss by McCain you'd think the GOP would clean up their act.
Bottom line, AMERICA IS DOOMED.
I can hear Barack now:
These Motha's are stupid! I'd bet they'd even put your bunger up in here! You can be the first woman president and we'll run our Country!
"As Carmine would say, Barackward! " By Rusty57
You got it! Thank you.
CarmineD
SunJon, said,
"Herbert Hoover was President in 1931. So much for the quotes and the history as well."
You are correct on one part.
(1)President Woodrow Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act in 1913, not 1931.
(2)You are incorrect, implying the quotes and the history are different.
"... As promised - Since Obama will be stepping up the redistribution of working class people's moneytothe DEPENDENCY-CLASS this week I resigned myjob to become a beneficiary of Obama's largess.
I encourage other Republican to quit working-Democrats will take care of you.."future
Uh oh! Twice this week I got so affected by a post I stopped to reply b4 reading all..
No one who QUITS A JOB is eligible for anything from the govt, whether R or D
future has again shown his intellectual level
Pt1
National Geographic, April '07 had a cover story w a pull out chart chronicling the history of how people thruout time have shown/told their pain thru spoken word poetry up to 21st century hiphop. 50Cent was one of 10 cited artists. He's been on the cover of Time magazine. Being from The Bronx, it's a style of music u can't ignore.
I was AGAIN stopped b4 reading thru (tho osama fink, Judy AND kepi ALMOST made me post again mid-reading!) by Woody Guthrie ..& Vernos; Tupac also had a song w a line that well fits the FEAR/ANGER of our time, "They tryin to say that I don't care; I just woke up and screamed,"f#!k the world"(translation; 'we' AREN'T BORN ANGRY, it it a victimizatiom thrust onto the poor, those of color, the disenfranchized of 'society at large') Being a lover of peace, a hater of guns, do I accept the violence in this song? Of course not. But I relate w the words my flowers highlight, especially the title, and "death GOTTA B EASY, COS LIFE IS HARD. "
Pt2
"Many Men (Wish death upon me) 50 Cent
@->-> Many men, wish death upon me Blood in my eye dog and I can't see I'm trying to be what I'm destined to be And *****z trying to take my life away @->->
I put a hole in ***** for ****ing with me My back on the wall, now you gon' see Better watch how you talk, when you talk about me 'Cause I'll come and take your life away
Many men, many, many, many, many men Wish death 'pon me Lord I don't cry no more Don't look to the sky no more Have mercy on me
@->->Now these ***** *****s putting money on my head Go on and get your refund ************, I ain't dead @->->
I'm the diamond in the dirt, that ain't been found I'm the underground king and I ain't been crowned @->->
When I rhyme, something special happen every time I'm the greatest, something like Ali in his prime I walk the block with the bundles I've been knocked on the humble Swing the ox when I rumble Show your *** what my gun do Got a temper *****, go'head, lose your head Turn your back on me, get clapped and lose your legs I walk around gun on waist, chip on my shoulder Till I bust a clip in your face, *****, this beef ain't over
[Chorus] Many men, many, many, many, many men Wish death 'pon me
@->->Lord I don't cry no more Don't look to the sky no more Have mercy on me Have mercy on my soul Somewhere my heart turned cold @->->
Have mercy on many men Many, many, many, many men Wish death upon me
@->->Sunny days wouldn't be special, if it wasn't for rain Joy wouldn't feel so good, if it wasn't for pain@->->
@->->Death gotta be easy, 'cause life is hard It'll leave you physically, mentally, and emotionally scarred @->->
This if for my *****s on the block, twisting trees and cigars For the *****s on lock, doing life behind bars I don't see only god can judge me, 'cause I see things clear Quick these crackers will give my black *** a hundred years I'm like Paulie in Goodfellas, you can call me the Don Like Malcolm by any means, with my gun in my palm Slim switched sides on me, let *****s ride on me I thought we was cool, why you want me to die homie?
[Chorus]
@->->Every night I talk to god, but he don't say nothing back I know he protecting me, but I still stay with my gat In my nightmares, *****z keep pulling techs on me @->->
Psych says some ***** dumb, put a hex on me The feds didn't know much, when Pac got shot I got a kite from the pens that told me, Tuck got knocked I ain't gonna spell it out for you ************s all the time Are you illiterate *****? You can't read between the lines In the bible it says, what goes around, comes around Almost shot me, three weeks later he got shot down Now it's clear that I'm here, for a real reason 'Cause he got hit like I got hit, but he ain't ****ing breathing"
Judy, EXCELLENT post!
kepi love, great comeback at osama fink!!@->->
Osama fink, et al, as an independent living skills provider, I know budgets & benefits like the back of my hand.
Though I have no PERSONAL DESIRE to assistant u thru ur TRUMPed up right- wing claptrap about MAP (Medicare Advantage Plans) , as a Rastafarian, and as I ALSO, MAINY address "et al" who might be suffering the similar fate of reading thru the quagmire of available options, the best MAP in Clark county is Caremore. They specialize in lungs, kidneys, feet, wound after care, have a gym exercise program, yoga, social workers, psychiatrists and other specialists on staff. I go to flamingo by Pecos, but they also have a tonopah (sp?) location. They provide ALL my nebulized medication (3) free of charge. They provide me free home & mobile oxygen machines. They provide a free transportation service. They have a program that gives you $20.00 a month to spend on over the counter items like vitamins, dental items creams and other what nots i don't recall cos I don't use them. The social workers can give u free groceries. The program can give u free ensures. You are connected w a nearly free vision program, and can pay $7.99 a month for a dental program that offers super low rates for everything, including dentures. They often have a fruit bowl on the counter. They offer social programs, and if ur lucky enuf to get MY Nurse Practitioner, she even gives free hugs!
We should head backwards. When union membership was over 35% and a working man earned enough to have a stay at home mom (no disrepect to women) to care for the children. When the middle class was able to buy a home and car within the same year without going broke. Backwards to a time before the power brokers stole the wealth of our great nation and reduced working class people to just another body to downsize; before they made us pay for their greed driven financial mishaps.
TeheheAtSomeOfU,
Hey girl, enjoyed your post. Always do! I knew fink would not respond. How could he? So busy lately. Hope you are okay.
Be Safe :)
kepi love -- we can b in a "been busy " contest! In court re: rain in apt! Trauma w the coma bro -in-law ...and the beat goes on..
Gunna mail osama fink OUR replies; his usual MO is just to leave a fart & not return to see beyond what he, The Great Oz has blown out ...
Bsafe
Enjoy ur morning coffee ;-)