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Attorney General Catherine Cortez Masto and Gov. Jim Gibbons disagree on whether Nevada should sue over the federal health care reform law.
Published Tuesday, April 6, 2010 | 8:17 a.m.
Updated Tuesday, April 6, 2010 | 3:06 p.m.
Sun archives
- Report: Gibbons will join lawsuit over health care reform (4-2-10)
- AG won’t file health reform suit; Gibbons vows to stop ‘intrusion’ (3-30-10)
- Gibbons wants AG’s answer on health bill suit by next week (3-25-10)
- AG says governor can’t force lawsuit over health care reform (3-24-10)
- Dean Heller joins Gibbons in urging AG to sue over health reform (3-23-10)
- Obama signs historic $938 billion health overhaul (3-23-10)
Gov. Jim Gibbons announced a plan today to have Nevada join a federal lawsuit to block health care reform. Democratic Attorney General Catherine Cortez Masto fired back this afternoon, saying she could take action to stop the governor.
During a noon news conference, Gibbons signed an executive order to appoint Mark Hutchison, a Las Vegas lawyer, to take the case for free.
Gibbons said Nevada will join the federal lawsuit filed in Florida. He said the plan is to pay for any other fees with private donations.
“This health care nationalization plan is illegal because it is unconstitutional,” Gibbons said. “The arrogance of this administration to force all Nevadans to purchase something (health insurance from private companies) or face IRS penalties is outrageous and wrong.”
The Republican governor has been publicly feuding with Cortez Masto, who refused his directive to sue the federal government over the bill passed by Congress and signed last month by President Obama.
Cortez Masto issued a statement this afternoon saying her office "is now in the regrettable position of having to consider the necessary legal options to take in response to the governor's most recent action."
Her statement continued: "The governor does not have the power to suspend the laws of our state by issuing an executive order. The law is very clear that the Attorney General is the legal advisor on all state matters arising in the Executive Branch of the state. The responsibility to commence litigation on behalf of our state is not the governor's to exercise unilaterally, and it makes no difference whether the legal representation is free or not."
Gibbons argues the law tramples state's rights and amounts to unfunded mandates that will cost the state millions in added Medicaid costs.
Cortez Masto says the Constitution gives Congress broad powers to regulate commerce. She says 14 other states have already sued, and that any outcome would apply to Nevada even if the state doesn't join the suit.
Jon Summers, a spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, issued the following statement in response to the governor's decision.
“The governor's intent is to repeal a law that gives access to quality, affordable health care to more than 600,000 more Nevadans. He wants to repeal a law that prevents insurance companies from deciding who gets to see a doctor and when. He wants to roll back tax cuts for 24,000 small business owners in Nevada. And he wants to re-open the Medicare Part D 'donut hole' for seniors. Sen. Reid worked tirelessly to ensure these injustices no longer take place. Rather than fighting to protect big insurance companies, Gov. Gibbons should join Sen. Reid in fighting for Nevada consumers.”
Gibbons is an irresponsible elected official. He is wasting time and tax money to screw the little guy.
Why is it that all other developed countries have national health care and the US does not?
Why does health care cost 50% less in these countries?
Why do people in these countries live longer?
Why is the US's infant mortality rate the same as 3rd world countries and twice as high as countries with national health care?
Right to lifers, who do not support national health care are actually killing real children because of the high infant mortality ratio in the US.
Anyone opposed to National health care is guilty of killing children because of the high infant mortality ratio in the US.
Gibbons obviously supports killing children because he is trying to stop national health care.
Does anyone need more proof that Nevada's attorney general's office is a joke than the fact that Paul Wommer was hired by Nevada AG Catherine Cortez-Masto to be a prosecutor?
Paul Wommer has been held by several courts to be an ineffective attorney. As if that were not enough, most astounding is the fact that Paul Wommer was named by the Tennessee Securities Division in a complaint filed by the Tennessee Commissioner of Commerce and Insurance for his alleged role in a plan to sell worms to investors who claimed they were swindled.
And Wommer was hired by Cortez-Masto to handle fraud cases? You cannot make this stuff up.
See the Las Vegas Weekly article "Worming for Dollars" here:
http://www.happydranch.com/bitbucket/app...
See the Tennessee Securities Division Cease and Desist Order to Paul Wommer here: http://tn.gov/commerce/securities/docume...
Great job by Nevada Attorney General Cortez-Masto of doing a background check on Paul Wommer.
Cortez-Masto really has no clue what she is doing, or who works for her.
So he is spending money that could be used to add/keep teachers and firemen to make a political stunt in an effort to keep people uninsured and the Insurance companies operating as business as usual? I am so sick of the GOP. You tap our phone calls, invade other countries with cooked up intelligence, you brokered Enron deals, deregulated the financial system so every predatory lender and his brother could set up shop. From Nixon to Bush 43 same bad ideas, repackaged and sold as something new but in the end it's all about funneling the money to the top 2% while the rest of us die on the vine and bicker over non-issues like immigration, health care, gun control, and horrible one side trade agreements (that lose jobs). Exxon wants you to believe there is no Global warming so it can sell its product unchecked so it uses one of the "stool legs" (Christian Zealots) to dispute this as a crazy left wing theory even though the CEO of Exxon knows he is killing the planet, but he is unwilling to take a pay cut and will do anything to spread his propaganda to keep the bottom line growing.
National health care has passed congress and is the law of the land. In the long run I sincerely hope it works to reduce costs and provide affordable health care to all Americans. We are the richest nation on earth and we should have a health care system commensurate with that position. However" it will require tweaking as did our constitution. I view the Governor's challenge as the first major hurdle this legislation must pass, is it constitutional? Based on that outcome will chart the immediate future of its implementation. I do not feel it is frivolous for our Governor and 14 other states to challenge this legislation. Nevada has elected conservative Governor and as such this should not be a surprise to Nevadans.
hey catherine...
crush this child...
he is a little child who needs to be told no...
forcefully...
there is no way on god's green earth this is legal...
the precedent it would set would be harmful to the state...
any future governor could then hire his buddies to pursue any whim the governor might have...
all for pr's sake...
remember this catherine...
free legal advise is still legal advise...
and you are the only person authorized to represent the state...
you must enjoin these actions of our buffoon governor...
like i said before...
you must squash this child...
that's the only language he understands...
by the way...
how is the hepatitis case going...
we are waiting...
not so patiently anymore...
and i have to tell you...
we are not impressed...
with you...
with david roger...
with the medical board...
with no one...
an update would be nice...
I can't wait to donate money to the pro bono cause
Gibbons down an entire bottle of Viagra and now has nothing to do with all that power? LOL!
This cranial moron has been on public healthcare his entire life. What does he know about unfunded mandates? I've had to pay for his flacid existence for years. So have you.
Republican losers can't win legislatively or through elections ;so you shake us down with the rich lawyers
Guess the lamebrain hasn't got anything better to do than file a futile lawsuit against the federal government.
It's not like the state already has enough pressing issues that need to be addressed.
@LastThroes
I supose you don't think an increased budget probem is a pressing issue...
oh well, this will be interesting to follow
Big Whoop, Gymmy!!!
Las Vegas odds on your re-election; zillion to one!
How will Gibbons pro bono attorneys be representing Nevada? We voted Mastro in to represent us on legal issues. Does this not undermine the mojority vote in our State?
do you think ronald reagan is rolling over and over and over in his grave???
given the sad and sorry state of the stupid pathetic ugly lying always making a threat or fear mongering republicans...
i bet you he is...
we know he hated w the scum bag liar loser clown...
he clearly would laugh at the gibbons monkey...
sad...
truly sad...
hey ronnie...
you unleashed a generation of self righteous spoiled kiddies...
be well up there buddy...
we know if you were still here you would smack some sense into these brats...
we know you knew how to take a lose like a man...
not like a spoiled itty bitty child...
Great and not just because we have alll that extra state money just piling up.... this guy needs to be ridden out on the rails FAST. What a dope.. hmmm thought "they" were so against frivilous law suits, oh I forgot just another hypocrite.
ProudPD, you wanted to be ProudAG but didn't get the job, right? So instead you copy and paste your tired rant where it's not even on topic?
hey proudpd...
want us to prepare a list of shortcomings on that gibbons monkey...
hee hee hee...
hoo hoo hoo...
haa haa haa...
i think you lose that one hands down buddy...
Thank You Gov Gibbons! Holly cow, is our State Attorney General (Democrat) Cathrine Masto in Obama's back pocket. Who is she working for us or him? I think we all need to remember that Ms Masto is up for election in November. Perhaps it is time for her to be replaced by someone who will represent us, the people of Nevada.
It's not about the health care law. It's about his mug on yer screen.
It has nothing to do with constitutional anything; it's all about electable everything.
It's more of the same theater: grab ass, underMINE credibility, game a bit, blame and claim you've been toeing the line. Fer us.
Proud PD - do you need any more proof that the Governor is an egotistical, arrogant little tin foil hat wearing bumpkin?
This will be a pro bono law suit by Nevada and won't cost the state a dime. Still the question remains, is this healthcare bill constitutional? Read the 10th amendment, tune in at noon and learn.
So Right!!!!...This is all about his ego and future ambitions...Time for the People to put an end to this foolish self centered game...it is at the tax payers expense??
Souper12, this story wasn't taken off the home page. We change the home page throughout the day as news develops, and it's not uncommon for a story to "disappear" for a minute on the home page when it's being moved from one spot to another on the page.
Did I miss the court ruling saying that the Attorney General was disqualified and thus a private attorney could represent Nevada?
No?
Then it's irrelevant who Gibbons picks, or what Executive Orders he signs. Until a court of competent jurisdiction declares that the Attorney General is disqualified per the law, she is the ONLY authorized legal representative for the State of Nevada.
No Executive Order can override the law of the State of Nevada.
The ink won't even be dry on this order, and she'll tie him in knots in court. And she will win.
was that a news conference or a commercial...
for the monkey man...
for the law firm...
this is wrong...
terribly terribly wrong...
no one voted for that law firm...
this executive order makes a mockery of the election process...
the ag must not let this stand...
fight catherine fight!!!
hee hee hee...
hoo hoo hoo...
haa haa haa...
ya know, birdie? That felt kinda good! Got a cigarette?
All that's needed is ONE state to contest the legislation. The case will be decided on legal principles and potentially argued upward to the Supreme Court. And such cases are already in the works. Can our governor, therefore, please focus on matters such as, I don't know, bringing new industries and revenues to the state? Or does that require a 3rd-year law student to accomplish?
Gibbons is a complete idiot and is dead wrong in his assessment of the situation. I think it is well within the rights of the Government to force you to buy insurance or pay higher taxes. Bottom line is that if you end up hurt in the hospital it is the government who picks up the tab. So this bill makes each person take some responsibility for themselves which is a darn good thing in my eyes. We just have a bunch of republican scum bags that want to fight it because this was their Waterloo....hahaha
@Souper12 Man, it must be hard when everything is a conspiracy. Especially when the theories isn't even deserving of a first grader.
This is just pandering to the hysterical conservative base that really just has not come to grips with Jan 15 2009.
That said this is a win-win for the governor because he'll get some free pub and won't have to spend a dime (directly).
Not that I would ever use a sleazy law firm like this one, but anyone out there in need of a law firm should boycott these fools.
having worked on both the provider side and the payor side for nearly 20 years....this whole "obamacare" is going to be a mess....and regardless of which side you set on for the lawsuit understand that our Gov't is NOT going to provide an efficient quality of care for anyone....look at CMS, Medicare, or the VA for how the Gov't manages healthcare delivery and payment for services.
how about this.....when in fact 20% of the sick drive 80% of the costs, how does one mandate pro-active care???? how do you FORCE a diabetic to have monthly blood tests to help mitigate issues like: blindness, cardiovascular disease, etc??? the costs associated with co-morbities is HUGE. when I worked for the largest employer in the state, we tried to get diabetics to manage their disease especially Type II's, and to no avail....yet a single episode cost $1M is healthcare costs, which eventually cost the company to spread the costs over all employees.....
so now we are going to somehow make people:
-stop smoking
-lose weight
-attend medical screening
good luck.....why do we HAVE to help everyone....most people don't even want to help themselves.
Socialist move on the governor's part? Gibbons is an idiot.
If the government can require a musket, ammo, knapsack, belt, etc under the Militia Act of 1792, they can require medical insurance for the militia and their relatives.
Free lawyer, good luck.
I don't think everyone understand clearly what we have here, including me. This is not a free health coverage for everyone. We will be forced to buy our own insurance policy whether we like it or not so our budget priority will be changed by the government. Insurance coverage will have higher priority over food, clothes, cars, shopping, and all the other things we like to buy. One good thing is the free loaders that go to emergency rooms free will now have to pay by buying their own insurance. Good health care but less money for other things, this is okay with me.
We Nevadans freely elected Jim Gibbons to lead us and govern this state, and today he said he is throwing away the constitution of our state so a hand-picked law firm can make a mockery of our country, our state, our constitution and the spirit of health care reform.
In the name of vainglorious political power whose halflives are fading into ether and darkness.
Jim who?
The true arrogance is with Gibbons himself...he has become nothing but a lap dog for the GOP inner circle...Did he ask the people of Nevada what we all thought? No of course not because he is "TELLING" us what we think....What joke this guy is...We need a Governor that actually cares what "The People" think and that means all "The People".....
IMPEACH THE GOV - I wish that meant you could bake him into a peach pie and then feed it to the hungry. Lord have mercy on all citizens of this state!
I am happy to see someone challenging the constitutionality of Obamacare. If our AG won't do her job, I'm glad to see there are others willing to step up to the plate and challenge it on behalf of Nevada.
The republicans are the craziest people on
the face of the earth.
They will lose BIG in November.
All Americans need health care.
Gibbons is a loser.
Can't wait to vote him off. What a waste of time and money.
"I am happy to see someone challenging the constitutionality of Obamacare."
So what are the other 14 states that are challenging it? Chopped liver?
"If our AG won't do her job, I'm glad to see there are others willing to step up to the plate and challenge it on behalf of Nevada."
Except they can't. She hasn't been disqualified by any court (because declining to take a case is not grounds for disqualification), so legally she is still the only one who can represent the State in court. No amount of Executive Orders or demands by the Governor can change that.
Really revtomperl?
You want to bake the Governor into a peach pie and feed him to the hungry.
That is a really strange thing to say or think....much less type, re-read it, and finally post it.
I can think of a million ways of expressing dislike for someone but you are bizarre and very creepy.
The hungry? Freak.
Under Federal law, males of a certain age are required to register with Selective Service. Should they fail to do so, they are subject to criminal penalties -- in other words, prison. Courts have consistently upheld this mandate.
Under the new health care law, people are NOT required to buy insurance. Nobody is threatening them with jail time if they refuse to participate. They can either choose to purchase insurance or pay a special tax to help offset the cost that will be incurred by the public when the intentionally uninsured person requires care. No court in the country is going to strike what is clearly an appropriate use of Congress's taxing authority.
The Attorney General did the right thing in refusing to pursue a claim that is completely without merit.
63 more days until Gibbons knows that his political career is finished.
Slainne,
Gibbons is doing what the people of NV want...
"According to a new Rasmussen poll released yesterday, 57% of Nevada voters said that Obamacare is bad for the country."
@Revtomperl Funny line there. Don't worry about dummies who call you out for it. Somehow saying let's "reload" and that a political opponent is a "dead man" and standing in front of protesters with a photo of Pelosi and smacking it around is okay, but now the use of metaphor somehow isn't acceptable. Right.
@Slainne Right on. This isn't what the people want. Since when does a poll determine the will of the people in its entirety??
No one elected the person the Governor named, yet he is to represent us in a lawsuit?
We vote for an Attorney General to represent us in lawsuits. The Governor does not have the right to appoint people to represent Nevadans-that is not how we choose such people in this state. We elect them. What Big Jim is doing is unconstitutional.
Of course... none of that makes any difference. When you look at the enforcement mechanism, it is clear that the health care mandate is constitutional.
None of that matters to Gibbons... this is an election stunt and a desperate attempt to appeal to his base.
So long as it doesn't cost the state any money, I would support Gibbons doing anything and everything to win the primary... he would be very easy for Rory to beat.
That's the weirdest effing metaphor I've ever heard, especially from a so-called Reverend....sure maybe Reverend Wright would talk like that, but no normal real Reverend I know wants to bake people into pie and feed them to the hungry.
It's beyond creepy...I'm not even sure exactly who he's more mad at...the Governor or the Hungry.
Axiom; I'm all for it. The only way to answer the question is to adjudicate it. Gov. Gibbons managed to find attorney's to do this for free, tells me the case has merit. As to our AG, if she can't lead, she needs to get out of the way.
I've seen the same poster talk about the Militia Act of 1792 like it's the gospel for the government to take freedoms away from it's citizens.
First off, the Militia Act was converted into the National Guard and its only remnants are the selective service, secondly it falls under martial law of the president in times of a national crisis, not civilian law, and thirdly the requirement to provide own muskets, and other gear was only when called by martial law and applied to willing men between 18-45. The key word is w-i-l-l-i-n-g, there wasn't a mention of IRS or taxation, and if one wasn't willing they weren't forced into, although I am sure there were some forced by gunpoint who weren't willing...
Now onto health care:
1. Unfortunately the courts are swayed by public opinion rather than intent of the law so if Nevada to or not to join the suit will impact the courts. A collection of 30 states or more will likely kill the bill whereas 14 will most likely not. I think right now counting the different forms there are about 24-26 states on board, and after January when the elections are over it might eclipse 30. Honestly I think this November will spell the fate of the suit, take it for what it's worth.
2. I know a lot of people are supporting the law because of political party; I can tell you I would be opposed to this new law if my parents had written it who I love dearly. It's not the intent of health care I am against rather the lack of health care it creates and the personal freedoms it intrudes upon. If I supported anything on the pretext of my party telling me it was grand I would definitely feel hypocritical when the other party used this as a pretext to take more of my rights away and I was offended. This law to me is a political poison pill that will cripple middle class America through cost burden and changes in health care.
I am opposed to the politicians who supported this on both sides of the isle for these reasons; although it's all Dems in this case. In other elections I voted for B. Clinton, Titus (never again), Gibbons (never again) and wanted H. Clinton to be president, but voted for McCain as Obama told us as early as 2007 he was for a government which made many decisions for its people which were freedoms of the people today. I feel I am like most of America who votes for people, not party. I am not sure why, but Washington turns people into hams for their party who are willing to sell their country out to fall in line and it happens over and over (1986, 1994,2006) and needs to stop.
Whatever happened to our leaders actually making sane fiscally and morally responsible decisions? The world will never be Utopia, when we can all stand up and realize that we can only do so much as a society and the rest falls on the shoulders of each individual we might be able to stop this silliness.
Interesting choice by the Governor, by the way. According to his website, "Mark practices primarily in the areas of business and commercial litigation, tort litigation, medical malpractice, employment law, trust and probate litigation, and appellate litigation." http://www.hutchlegal.com/ourfirm/attorn...
He may be a very capable lawyer in these fields, but I don't see anything in his background regarding tax, health care or constitutional law. I wonder if his selction by Gibbons has more to do with the fact that he attended law school at BYU rather than his professional qualifications.
"Unfortunately the courts are swayed by public opinion rather than intent of the law so if Nevada to or not to join the suit will impact the courts."
If courts were swayed by public opinion abortion would still be illegal, corporations would not have First Amendment rights, and segregation would still be the law of the land.
The AG seems more intent on witchhunts among Republicans than anything else. Just like Gibbons, she needs to go as well.
doug,
We are in unchartered waters here! We have a state law that says the AG is supposed to file at the direction of the Governor, and apparently a Federal Law that says she cannot file if she doesn't find merit with the case. This is an unprecedented impasse and I'm kind of eager to see how it plays out.
I think state law might hold sway over the AG, and she could possibly be impeached for not following the governor's direction.
Wasn't it democrat Alcee Hastings who said, "We make the rules up as we go along."?
Nevada's Gubernatorial Soap Opera, currently starring MonkeyBoy Gym Gibbon and a host of curious right-wing wannabes, not a one of which makes a lick of sense, and none of whom should be intrusted with running the state of Nevada the rest of the way into the ground.
I guess that leaves the kid, Rory.
I disagree Doug Dem, I believe that more people are pro-choice even though they might not personally believe in abortions. Courts aren't puppets for for public opinion, please look up the word sway --> "to swing slowly and rhythmically back and forth from a base or pivot b : to move gently from an upright to a leaning position". It doesn't insensate being toppled over as you would suggest.
Courts have shown a tendency to side with public opinion in cases which are decided by interpretation and that interpretation lacks tangible precedents. Many of your liberal peers (not that you are liberal) on the Dem side know this well as they have lost many cases heard by the supreme court when common sense would say they should win.
Selective service doesn't fall under the commerce clause like the health law does. Other than being in a database SS only becomes an infringement of freedom in time of martial law, the two laws are apples and oranges.
Law firm advertises on station that the GOVO is going on tommorrow for a softball interview. Very cozy.
I love the facts post which contains no facts. The majority of these countries live in poverty, while here you have an opportunity to work. Work is the new four letter word of the democrats. Add this to free and you have their entire platform. Then you have birdie moron. I can't even begin to tell you the ignorance of someone that types in all caps. This birdie spends all their time at home, no doubt collecting free government money, and then criticizes the people that are actually working instead of depending on freebee's. Jobs create income, insurance opportunities, and lower insurance rates due to the inrease of revenue. It just amazes me that people think it is the government's responsibility to take care of you. What a bunch of lazy punks.
"I think state law might hold sway over the AG, and she could possibly be impeached for not following the governor's direction."
Except that when Federal Rule of Civil Procedure and a state law that does not deal with substantive rights are in conflict, the federal court will only use the state law if the difference in outcome is not trivial, raises an issue under the Equal Protection clause, or would influence the choice of forum. That's been the governing doctrine of the federal courts for 55 years.
LOW DOWN GAMBLER; JIM GIBBONS
"You got to know when to hold `em, know when to fold `em,
Know when to walk away and know when to run.
You never count your money(TIME) when you`re sittin` at the table.
There`ll be time enough for countin` when the dealin`s(VOTING'S) done".
Kenny Rogers "THE GAMBLER"
Gambling is an additiction that can only be sustained if the ability to procure the assets to continue this destructive affliction is available. In this case Mr. Gibbons is "GAMBLING" with the "FUTURE" of the state of Nevada by denying the children and all citizens access to health care and services that he reduced during the state budgetary process.
Go ahead Mr. Gibbons "GAMBLE ON BECAUSE SOON YOU WILL HAVE NOTHING, AND YOU WILL HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE".
Soon the people of THE GREAT STATE OF NEVADA will prove that they do not wish to continue to be an "ENABLER" in your destructive behavior.
Maybe the GOV will take the case to one of those Beckbrain sovereign citizen phony courts with the flag with the gold fringe on it, then a trap door will open up and everyone will find themselves in an internment camp run by Acorn, the seiu and Harry Reid. !
The Supreme Court rule you could intern Japanese Americans, so if the Feds could do that, why can't they do health insurance, I guess they do, it's called Medicare.
Like I said Doug, unchartered waters...let's see where they take us.
Masto has sealed her fate. riding on others coat tails instead of standing up for what the people want is just as embarrassing to this state as Gibbons is, however, if we don't speak up against this bill, we will be forced to pay a whole lot more than the cost of a court case.she spewed a bunch of rederic in her letter, but nothing that substantiated a reason for not joining the other states.
All that last paragraph did was tell us Democrats will say just about anything to guilt someone into following. I didn't hear not one word about the $600 mil we have to come up with,and out of that 600,000 how many are illegals? and all the businesses that will be forced to either provide ins. or pay fines per employee and everyone who has ins will pay higher premiums, and SS contributions are going up, so how much will be left in your paycheck?Since when do ins co's decide when a person gets to see a doctor? Roll back tax cuts??? No one has gotten tax cuts yet, and by supplying employees with ins will eat up their tax cuts, thats why they gave them to begin, they don't last forever. And I still need an elected official to explain the hole in the "D" program. what injustices? that the govt programs are corrupt, and there is abuse of funds? Oh, but now they want an even bigger one. the big boys have already figured a way to make money off this new bill and in no time, it will be corrupt and full of waste and abuse of our money.Proven fact with govt run, govt funded programs.
"Since when do ins co's decide when a person gets to see a doctor?"
Pretty much since the creation of health insurance - they get to tell you which Doctor you get to see, when you can see them, and what treatment they get to give you.
If you don't follow those rules, then they don't pay for it. And sometimes even when you do follow the rules, they still won't pay for it.
My insurance company has never told me which doctor I could go to nor when I was suppose to go. To my knowledge they have never dictated what treatment I receive.
I've heard of that under HMO's, but have never experienced it. Maybe the difference is worth paying the extra money for (HMO vs. PPO). Which brings up an interesting point. Could part of the problem of bad insurance companies be that HMO's, while you pay less for the policy, they cover less?
Doug, if memory serves me you are on medicare.
When have you ever been denied necessary treatment?
This just in from Rhyolite:
After a hastily called assembly, the Rhyolite City Council voted unanimously in support of Jimbo Gibbons' plan to forge ahead with a lawsuit. The council's solidarity with the beleagured Jimbo is 'palin' to see in its group photo, taken today, http://www.rhyolitesite.com/pic64.html.
Styzmer Kanal, self-appointed spokesman for the council, announced that if the governor is thwarted in his planned lawsuit, that Rhyolite would send its legal advisor to DC with a petition in support of Jimbo using city transportation,
http://www.rhyolitesite.com/pic65.html
Rhyolite is eagerly awaiting the arrival of Jimbo Gibbons and Jocko Ensign following the next round of elections and is moving forward with plans to build a state of art studio for the TV evangelist program they hope the dynamic duo will be broadcasting out of Rhyolite,
http://www.rhyolitesite.com/pic59.html
"Gibbons said Nevada will join the federal lawsuit filed in Florida. He said the plan is to pay for any other fees with private donations."
Perhaps governor one-note could persuade the teachers to donate that whopping insult of $261 from "private donations" that he managed to collect for their pay.
ecm, I'm with you here. My ins. co has never told me when I could see a doctor. My doctor also refers me to a specialist when needed or requested by me. Do you really think your govt run govt funded program is going to give you free reign to just go to whomever, whenever without first prior approval? especially if they are paying for it? and with that,do you really think you'll be able to just bip in and out of doctors whenever you like,as many times a year as you want, if they're paying for it? And if thats the case, just where do you think they will get all these extra doctors, equipment and facilities to accomodate all these thousands and thousands of new insured people?
We should have impeached him 2 years ago!
There's only a handful of imbeciles in US politics that even come close to the idiocy of of Nevada's governor.
Gibbons should be working in a 7-11 of bagging groceries at a supermarket but instead he holds the highest elected office in the state.
Un****ingbelievable.
Gibbons is a clown. Republicans are clowns. These people are your brain on drugs... any questions?
so instead of adult debate, you follow the typical democrat spew. you guys spent a trillion forcing govt insurance on every american including illegals wait, if you don't do this, people will die.If we don't spend billions to bail out auto dealers we will go into a downward spirol, if we don't spend billions bailing out the banks there will be devastation. if we don't give more money to mortgage co's more people will lose their homes. Now thats laughable with approx 30% of nevadans that have already lost theirs. and you call repubs clowns?
Does this peabrain of an AG not realize there is strength in numbers?
Using her theory, if only ONE state challenged this law, that would be enough to stop it.
Does she really not realize that 40 or more states challenging it will have more clout?
Or is she simply doing what Reid tells her?
Republicans pretend to support tort reform but are always the first to sue. More phony BS from the lunatic right.
As if the suffering of the invalid wasn't enough to spare punishing the healthy birth.
Mandating Citizens' to purchase health care insurance is clearly an act of government oppression.
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The Attorney general of Tennessee has also declared that the protest as demanded by the majority Republican led Tennessee legislature is absolutely UNCONSTITUTIONAL and has refused to file a lawsuit to get Healthcare overturned.
Gibbons is an idiot who doesn't care about wasting much needed Nevada taxpayer money on this political game he's playing. He has no regard for the taxpayers of Nevada and all he's trying to do is pander to the GOP Nevada voters. This is without a doubt nothibng but another Republican obstructionis ploy because these cry babies are upset they lost the Healthcare battle. the only states that are trying to protest and file lawsuits are those with Republican Governors or Republican majority Legislatures.
However I give those voters more credit than that. They know that there are more important things to use the money for to improve the lives of all Nevadans.
It's getting to the point where it might be smarter and more frugal to recall Gibbons than wait for the elections to throw him out of office.
What a terrible Governor.
Really, healthcare should be simple... Just go to the doctor and pay the $$$$ and with competition there is convenience.
May be if we DEREGULATE insurance companies and doctors practices, we would not have such concerns!!
Gibbons is running for re-election (absurd, I know) and is using this futile lawsuit to win over the far-right lunatic fringe teabagger vote.
He's stale, burnt toast and this is a last gasp attempt to retain a job he had no business getting to begin with.
This whole obamacare debacle is insane. Come November, Republicans will get congress back and then they can undo this so called "Health Care Reform" and pass something that will actually help this country.
"Does this peabrain of an AG not realize there is strength in numbers? Using her theory, if only ONE state challenged this law, that would be enough to stop it. Does she really not realize that 40 or more states challenging it will have more clout?"
Clout? I think you're confusing clout with intimidation.
"Clout" has ZERO bearing in a fair court of law. Duh.
lots of pea brains on here - bet Jonathan Swift with his allegorical essays could have a field day on here! I thought he was creepy when he suggested eating the young of the poor as a solution for population problems. I still say impeach the governor and as we all know he doesn't taste good so just make peach pies with peaches. Ok, Henderson old girl or boy?
For those who don't know, Obama is a Rothchild globalist, as was Bush, Clintons, etc. We won't call the pending NWO "communism" (what we get in 5-10-20-100 years) here in America but the bottom line is that the people, your kids, will all be slaves to the multinational companies and the gov that will take 70% of what you make in the future to feed the poor around the world. (wealth distribution)
What proof do I have? First, I know that Obama's grandmother and mother were bankers. Granny worked her way up to bank VP by doing business with CHina back in the day when nobody did business with communist China (before they became an industrial power...thanks to Granny's help no doubt). http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/el... Obama's mama was also a banker in Indonesia. She left Barry to pursue her banking job where she forced poor people to take loans to enslave that nation. Obama distanced himself from that part of his past as to not draw attention to the obvious ...his "family" had "elite" banking connections. Tim Geithner father and Obama's mother were friends and long time co-workers, through the Ford Foundation and Grameen Bank in Indonesia. They both were into the microfinance organization. http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2008/09/d...
http://www.thepatriotsflag.com/2010/02/j...
Obama's mama went to Indonesia to push "micro-finance" http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-6... upon the people. That's where the bankers give the poor people credit so that in the end, they become slaves to the banks. "Does that not sound like a pretty good scheme where you sold poor people goods you made, put them into debt, crash the system and then take their collateral which you as a cartel can now exploit in farming making the slaves buy food from their own land."
Obama is a globalist elite who wants to bankrupt the US and make everyone poor, slaves to the elites. That is the truth.
There is nothing so frustrating as stupidity and ignorance based on , well, stubborn stupidity and ignorance,
Jim Gibbons time has come, hasn't it? That is what's so freakin scary about this.
His bandwagon compassion over health care is such a joke yet look at all the people rah rahing his stupidity.
Bill Maher is right-the US is fast becoming a nation of idiots. Ignorant, stubborn, foolish idiots.
Proof? No such thing! Don't confuse people with the facts.
ghost, please give us your interpretation of frivilious lawsuit. My idea of frivilious is the woman that sued McDonalds because her coffee was to hot. Somehow, I don't find that along with 14 other states filing suit against a bill that mandates insurance,takes away our rights and reuires our state alone to cough up 600 million in our general fund to extend medicaid for illegals as being frivilious.Before democrats are through with us, we will be taxed 50% of our paycheck.Why should we even bother working?Just sit back and have govt bail us out of our mortgage debt, have govt pay for our ins and food and get us a really good deal on our car.
Turn off the radio and the television. Do some reading - on all sides of the issue and judge for yourself.
Stop letting the hate/fear mongers have power over you.
Private donations? People will pay to fight health care, but they won't help pay for poor people to have it? Wow. Just wow. The tea-party slogan - If you don't have it, we don't want you to have it, but oh, don't take mine away though.
Be says "The tea-party slogan - If you don't have it, we don't want you to have it"
You are wrong. It's more like if you don't have it, it's because you either don't want it, or don't want to pay for it. So if you don't want to pay for yours like I pay for mine, don't cry to me to subsidize your bad choices.
Personally, this health care bill eliminates a lot of personal responsibility. If I don't drink, don't smoke, don't use drugs, and eat right, why should my money subsidize every alcoholic, smoker, junkie and fatass that's driving up the cost?
This is not the American way of doing things.
For those of your that are partial informed the law firm has offered to take this case at no charge.
For those of you that support the take over of health care, I strongly suggest that you read and research the bill,
if you like going to the DMV and/or the Post Office then your going to love going to the doctor,RESEARCH THE BILL!
Ask any veteran how they like the care the government gives them and then realize that's what your in for.
Are you sure you want the government making your medical decisions?
The Governor's job is to Govern. Which is what he is doing. Unless and Until you have read the Bill, you might want to back down a bit. The Governor is right - YOU will be fined $2,500 if you don't have health insurance. That's all small one-person business owners, that's part-time workers in remote areas whose companies may not have insurance for them. That's the unemployed. YES - you get FINED in this bill for NOT having insurance. Even if you never go to the doctor. Even if you are Jehovah's Witness or Christian Scientist and your religion forbids it.
The second disturbing part of the bill for me is the fact that they tossed in a section on STUDENT LOANS. YES - you read that right. The government has taken over Student Loans. There's no accounting for the small businesses that will go out of business because of this. No admitting that students who get government loans often have to wait months until the quarter is almost over before they get their loans squared away. There's no accounting for where the govt will get that money to loan in the first place.
What bugs me about this Bill is the response of the Democrats when challenged on the bill, "OH YOU DON'T WANT THE POOR MOTHER ACROSS THE STREET TO GET INSURANCE? OH YOU HATE AMERICA AND DON'T WANT HER PEOPLE INSURED? OH YOU WANT THE BIG BAD INSURANCE COMPANIES TO CALL THE SHOTS?"
People - those are NOT logical, cogent, rational arguments for a VERY FLAWED bill. Hawaii has a very good healthcare law. It takes care of everything in about 15 pages. This monstrous, impossible 3,000 page bill SAYS it's taking care of your healthcare. But the pork, the added provisions, the sneaky add-ons to pay off Lobbies that poured money into Washington, the usurping of States Rights, and ultimately - the DISASTROUS impact on all of you defending it here today, is CRIMINAL. You defend it because you listen to your favorite news channel.
Spend more time looking at it. Write to your favorite congressperson and ask them to explain IN DETAIL every impact it will have on you and your family. If this Bill puts small to medium sized businesses OUT of business, there will be more people on unemployment. If this bill causes big businesses to lay people off because they can't afford the burden and stay in business, more people will be on the public dole.
I don't always agree with our Governor. But I'm right there with him on this one. He is defending you. Trust me. The Governors have been meeting with experts on this Bill and they are HORRIFIED at its reach. This is not just politics. This is an end run by this administration on States Rights and On YOUR Rights.
Just sayin' that when something of this magnitude takes place in 4 short months, I'm worried.
Don't give away your rights because you buy into rhetoric. Do some research away from the pundits and then, just for grins, go and actually READ the Constitution.
RWrite....
You are correct about the student loans. Now every college student seeking money for school will be bottle-necked trying to get the loans from the government.
Open the doors to the clown car, Lipton needs to get in.
Her office "is now in the regrettable position of having to consider the necessary legal options to take in response to the governor's most recent action."
You know what's funny...I believe that if the AG chooses to take action against Gibbons, that she will have to hire outside counsel because she has cases pending on his behalf.
She can't defend him and prosecute him too.
RWrite, bravo, bravo, bravo.
and they do use the guilt trip and good adjectives to convince people its exactly what they want and need. May I also add that SS required contributions in your paycheck will also go up. This admin pilphered that trust fund to help subsidize their healthcare bill and an already unstable govt run, govt funded program is in worse shape financially than it has been in the past with admins pilphering from it. and may I also add, the democrats "people will die" if we don't pass this...... we will be paying into this plan for several years before it is activated, so I guess we hold off on "people will die" until then? or do we just not count those people between the time it was signed and when its activated? one of many stupid statements used to scare the masses and convince them it has to happen. Kind of like their "downward spirol" and "devastation" with added "people will die" then has the nerve to go on national tv and ridicule republicans for saying this is the end of our country as we once knew it.
and who will pay for her legal action against Gibbons? and no one has a problem with this because? I get it, because you agree with Masto its ok to spend the money.
NRS 228.170 Commencement or defense of action to protect interest of State; prosecution of prisoners and persons acting in concert with prisoners.
1. Whenever the Governor directs or when, in the opinion of the Attorney General, to protect and secure the interest of the State it is necessary that a suit be commenced or defended in any federal or state court, the Attorney General shall commence the action or make the defense.
Seems pretty cut & dry to me. She is refusing to follow the Governors direction.
yes she is. and I bet if you researched it a little bit, she is in direct contact with Harry Reid on this, and will have his personal backing along with someone else...
I see Sergio_for_Profit is back!
Doc, I'm totally "devastated" by your comment, it may just throw me into a "downward spirol" and heck, for all you know "people could die".
pitiful! at least if you're going to criticize instead of debating, come up with something better than clown car!!!!I think thats all you have because you don't really have a good refutable answer. This is common within your party as I see here on these threads.
One year after Lt. Gov. Brian Krolicki was indicted by Democrat Nevada Attorney General Catherine Cortez Masto, all charges in the indictment was dismissed by Eighth District Court Judge Valerie Adair.
During that whole year, Attorney General Catherine Cortez Masto kept her lips closed and never discussed the rumors that the charges against Lt. Gov. Brian Krolicki were politically founded because Krolicki had announced his plans to run for the office of US Senator presently occupied by Cortez Masto's boss, the octogenarian Majority Leader of the US Senate, Sen. Harry Reid.
Cortez Masto told the local daily newspaper that she has no intention of appealing Judge Adair's ruling even if she does not agree with the ruling. And the Attorney General did not and will not apologize for any wrongdoing, nor for her waste of tax-payers money in a ridiculous prosecution.
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Have we ever seen a prosecutor, at any level, city or state, give up a chance to destroy someone's life? Of course not; prosecutors set out to win,
against all odds, regardless of what side of the scale of justice their case is on. That is a fact!
The attorney general offices in Nevada have hundreds of prosecutors on its payroll and political corruption is not a stranger among those hundreds, but
the Attorney General stated to the media that "mortgage fraud has become a higher priority than the Krolicki case."
Is she telling us that no matter how many prosecutors are in the criminal and civil departments of her organization that they are not fully equipped enough to handle both political corruption and mortgage fraud, as well as any other case under her jurisdiction?
The rumors that Sen. Harry Reid's fingerprints were all over the Krolicki case, and the fact that the Attorney General has not denied or admitted these
rumors, are suspect. The Brian Krolicki investigation probe showed that no money was taken and the six million dollars belonging to the Nevada College Savings Trust Funds were deposited in the wrong account. Every cent was accounted for and nothing ended up in Krolicki's personal account.
If it was politically motivated, Harry Reid won this round because Brian Krolicki is no longer running for US Senator, but the voters in Nevada
should remember this fiasco and vote for anyone but Harry Reid. They also should remember that Paul Masto, Catherine's husband, is openly supporting
the man who is challenging Brian Krolicki.
Well Lipton, you see, the same could have been said for the eight years of filth that we had to put up with while your monkey was in office, creating a deficit and leaving a complete clusterphuck for Obama.
In fact, I am in possession of your voting record from the fall of 2008 and you voted for Obama... hell, you voted straight Democrat. So now what do you have to say for yourself? You claim to be a Republican hero, yet you vote Democrat.
what a crock "fact?" show me what fact you have. produce your "fact".!!!!! you are only regergitating something Obama said. If you go back in history a little, you will notice, in the summer of 2008(2nd term mind you)we were at 4% unemployment and the dow was at 1400(highest in our history) and then dems by majority voted yes to invade Iraq and then Afghanistan, and when the dems took majority and the first 2 stimulus bills were passed it was with dem majority vote. Bush made decisions I didn't like but to intimate he was the sole person responsible is irresponsible on anyones part. All the hate and division began when Obama started his campaign and now cries theres no "bi partisanship" we watched the democrats call Bush vile names, hold violent protests, with horrid sayings on banners and you have the nerve to call Bush the monkey?
hey Doc, wheres that "fact". no brownie points for lying.
Are you scared? It's quite simply actually, but you'll have to have friends in high places to get it.
scared of what? not at all. I'm still waiting for you to show me the fact you have. I do know its a game you play, and sometimes its kind of fun, but if you're going to play the game, you have to be able to back up what you say, or you just lose any credibility you may have earned yourself.So, come on Doc, back it up, I dare you!!!wait, I double dog dare you!!! and for rules sake, you don't get to back up one lie with another because pretty soon, you can't tell which is which!! something mommies usually teach youngsters.
Doc_Holliday,
Are you talking about lipton's voting record? Lipton....why would another poster have your voting record?
I think Doc Holliday is full of crap, unless by some weird chance you know each other and he was able to look it up.
Either way, really weird tangent to go with Doc.
he doesn't. thats the beauty of it all. he is full of crap.He's just playing a game. He had to detour from answering the dreaded question of "why the criticism, you don't have a refutable answer to the debate? Common right?
At least it got Lipton off the Repub/Demo rant he's been spewing all day.
transparency!!!!! told you!!!
Rather comical display of human inability to achieve practical results. Considering there is no right or wrong point of view in the arguments elevates it to a minor tragicomedy. The only thing that could result from any of this is egotistical gratification of some rather outdated and useless philosophies. Let us hope we will one day emerge from the quagmire of tit for tat hatred and become capable of actually solving serious problems in our government and society. Nothing of use can come from this.
democrats don't play nice together.They are all about spreading the hate. So long as they are in office, it will continue to be a one sided game.
States suing over ObamaCare now reaches 18...
This is awesome news!!!!! I'm going out on a limb here and bet one of them isn't Louisiana!!
It's time for the
Attorney General Catherine Cortez Masto to go.
She apparently does not understand the Constitution of the United States.
I will be doing everything I can to see that she is voted out of office.
PLEASE PEOPLE READ THE BILL AND STOP BEING BRAINWASHED BY THE GOVERNMENT RUN MEDIA!
and as RWrite suggested READ THE CONSTITUTION!
And remember, these people in government WORK FOR US!
I think she understands it just fine. She just chooses to ignore it because she is part of the corruption in washington. She and Harry scratch each others backs. When is her position up for re election? She will be out. I think she thought with all the people who can't stand Gibbons, denying the lawsuit would be a piece of cake, and its backfired on her. She will be voted out.
"And remember, these people in government WORK FOR US!"
This mentality gets a whole bunch of people confused. YOU ARE NOT "in charge" of anyone who has a government job or an elected position, merely because you vote or pay taxes.
You ELECT them, or someone hires them. They do not "take orders" from "Joe Blow". Vote them out the next round if you aren't happy with job performance. But while they are performing their duties, sorry, the general public has no function as far as "telling them what to do", outside of calling, emailing, writing, attending, being involved in the process... but THIS NOTION:
"I pay your salary! You'll do as I say!"
FUNNY!
disgusted.. you got it.
disillusioned, on the contrary, the disillusion is thinking you can divide and conquer and hold that for any length of time. I truly doubt you will see any repub sitting home on election day.
republitards!!! what did someone say earlier about the democrats being the party of hate? with every post, you democrats verify in stone, that statement.
Wah, wah, wah, wah... when will you stop whining and actually do something about it? You can't sit on a PC all day and cry and complain, while not doing anything constructive, and then bitch and moan when you don't get what you want.
Have you made any phone calls in support of your Republican leaders? I doubt it. Have you knocked on a door, drumming up support for a Republican cause? Yeah, right. So unless you do that, you don't really have the right to complain, no matter what the Constitution tells you.
The cash paying customer which refuses to subsidize health care services for the social-parasites through government mandates has now been declared a criminal?
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Doc, oh Doc, if you only knew.
yes Harley, thats right.
The AngryReader is just plain mad, and is one of the best promoters of the Tea Party with his hateful vicious rants...
The more these hateful Leftists open their mouths, the more they turn off voters and drive them toward the Tea Party...
A new Gallup poll today shows "Republicans continue to show much greater enthusiasm than Democrats about voting in the 2010 elections."
Come on you Liberal hate filled leftists, pick up the pace and get fair minded voters fired up enough to join the Tea Party...
You mean the teabaggers?
Doc-Holliday trolled by and hatefully posted "You mean the teabaggers?"
No, Doc. He was referring to the Tea Party, just like he typed... What do you have on your mind?
You see, when you call people names, and use a sexual term to define a group you may not agree with, you cheapen your posts thereby making you much less believable than you may want to appear....
Or maybe you were just looking for a good time? If so, you are probably in the wrong forum...
The government should require all citizens who reach the age of 18 to be inducted into the armed forces (better defense of the nation). The government should require all males over the age of 18 to be circumcised (improves health). All females should be sterilized after the birth of one child (reduces overpopulation and welfare cheats). SOUNDS DUMB DOESN'T IT?
allvetteup, is that supposed to scare me? Is it supposed to some how make me feel any different? Is it supposed to try to prevent me from posting anything else?
Come on. You can do better than that, right? I meant what i posted. See, most of America refers to them as teabaggers. Because that is really what they are. The are the ball sac of America... dirty, sweaty and always getting someone in to trouble.
Jimbo is so outta here! Datgum yellowbelly!
November can not come soon enough to dump you Gibbons!!!!!!
Lipton:.....BOY have you got that ALL WRONG,as usual.Talk about hate spreading.Look at your own party
Doc_Holiday,
Just because you tend to use hateful terms does not mean "most of America" does. (your words) Maybe in the places you frequent, people regularly denigrate others but it is not the case in normal society. You can disagree with someone without going in the gutter and calling them names. I have found in the past however, that when a person has no facts to back up their position in a debate or discussion, they often resort to name calling, race baiting, or other deflections to avoid their failure to logically defend the position they hold.
So in an attempt to bring this discussion back on topic, please give your opinion of the AG's refusal to follow existing state law. And how do you think her interpretation of conflicting federal law affects her decision?
Just look at the web page Mark Hutchison's law firm.
"In January 2004, Governor Kenny Guinn appointed Mark to the Ethics Commission for the State of Nevada, which is charged with administering and enforcing Nevada's ethics in government laws and campaign practices for elected officials. Governor Jim Gibbons re-appointed Mark to the Ethics Commission in January 2008."
I don't know anything about Mark Hutchison or his law firm other than the personal injury commercials I've seen on TV, but considering Gov. Gibbons personal lapses in ethics, if he tapped Mr Hutchison to represent Nevada I'd tend to question his involvement in this case.
American man,
Being that Catherine Cortez Masto's husband publicly supported Steve Sisolak's opponent makes me question her involvement in the Sisolak case....do you not agree?
Go back and look for it yourself.
Your typical wingnut has no core beliefs. One week they're against frivolous lawsuits, judicial activism and legislating from the bench, and the next week they embrace it.
By the way, did anybody see that 500lb anti-gummint mailbomber they just arrested in Henderson, TX? He looks a lot like some of the teabaggers in that video from Glen Beck's 9-11 party (otherwise known as The Million Pound March).
Sheesh!
yep, babyboomer, I just read Docs post, and I did notice how totally hateful allvetteup was, are you really trying to tell us that democrats are not the party of hate?
doc, your term teabagger is not the concensus of "most" of america, and your other comment must mean, either you are a lesbian, a scorned woman or a really filthy man in need of a bath on occasion,and since when does that part get you in trouble!!!!!!!!!!so that saying all these years has been wrong..... that guys think with the other head, it should have been guys think with their sac?!!!!
Your grammar is weak. I believe you need to go back for a refresher, son.
my grammar is weak!!!!!!! Oh good lord, I'll get back to you once I stop laughing!!
Henderson... WTF are you talking about? What does that have to do with the discussion at hand?
Let me spell it out.
Gov. Gibbons has been dogged by scandal and bad judgment since before he was elected.
Mark Hutchison was appointed to an ethics post by Gov. Gibbons.
Mark Hutchison stepped down from the ethics post as the stuff stated hitting the fan with Gov. Gibbons.
Gov. Gibbons has now picked Mark Hutchison as the attorney to represent Nevada in a case the AG thinks is baseless.
Gov. Gibbons is now trying to raise money outside the normal channels for the lawsuit.
Gov. Gibbons is NOT the pride and joy of Nevada and when he is out of office in November I don't believe our next Governor will want to pursue the issue at taxpayer expense.
No but you will allow Masto to file against Gibbons at taxpayers expense?
Nevada Attorney General Catherine Cortez Masto refused the governor's request to file a lawsuit, saying it would fail and would be a WASTE OF MONEY.
The largest expense would be the filing fees that might amount to $ 3,500. Very little legal time would be required since Nevada would simply piggyback Florida's lawsuit....
Yes, but she has said she has no option but to file a suit against Gibbons. Who, but the taxpayers will pay for that suit and I bet it will be alot more than a $3500.00 filing fee.