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Friday, April 2, 2010 | noon
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- AG won’t file health reform suit; Gibbons vows to stop ‘intrusion’ (3-30-10)
- Gibbons wants AG’s answer on health bill suit by next week (3-25-10)
- AG says governor can’t force lawsuit over health care reform (3-24-10)
- Dean Heller joins Gibbons in urging AG to sue over health reform (3-23-10)
- Obama signs historic $938 billion health overhaul (3-23-10)
- Health care bill would bring higher state Medicaid costs (3-22-10)
Gov. Jim Gibbons plans to have Nevada join a lawsuit in Florida over the federal health care reform law.
Sun columnist Jon Ralston reported late this morning that Gibbons will say a Nevada statute prohibiting him from taking action doesn't apply if the state joins the lawsuit filed in Florida.
Ralston said the official announcement was expected to be made Tuesday.
Earlier this week, Attorney General Catherine Cortez Masto rejected the request of Gibbons to file suit with other states challenging the constitutionality of the health reform bill signed by the president.
In a letter to the governor, she said the “authority given to Congress is extensive and appears strong enough to support the act.”
“In my professional judgment, joining the litigation filed by 14 other states, as you have suggested, is not warranted by existing law at this time,” she wrote.
The governor responded saying he was considering his options to move forward with legal action on behalf of the state.
“I am disappointed the attorney general has refused to fight for the rights of Nevada citizens,” Gibbons said in a statement. “I swore an oath to protect Nevada citizens and that is exactly what I intend to do.”
Gibbons said attorneys have contacted the his office willing to represent Nevada without charge.
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Gibbons sucks. He does not understand the common person. Elitist that only cares about the top 2% like the rest of the GOP.
If he joins the lawsuit, will the money come out of his pocket instead of mine.
I just love it how politicans act when the tables are turned against them. Everyone knows that if it was the other way around and Gibbon's didn't want something done and someone else went around him finding some loophole to get around his power he would be up in arms about it. He's doing the same thing here because he is one big cry baby.
The state of Nevada has been in economic freefall for four years. That jackass, Gibbons has done nothing but collect a paycheck and fiddle while the state burns.
Now he pulls this political stunt that will not only not prevail in a court of law, but is against the best interests of the people of Nevada.
What next?
This is another reminder the GOP only cares about two things (1) transferring wealth from what's left of the middle class to the rich (2) finding a way to interject they myth of Jesus into everything (but sill finding time to use donor money to hit the bondage club).
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey-ey, goodbye!
This is a blatant policatal move with no value to the citizens of Nevada. Very disappointing. Every legal expert has stated that the States have NO legal footing here. The Congress has the right to tax, and that is what they did. Everyone is subject to the tax, and if you have healthcare coverage then you get a deduction (just like your mortgage interest).
The ironic twist is this law was proposed by Bob Dole and rest of the republicans back in 1993-4.
He has my vote as the only one to stand up for "real" nevadans.
monkey boy has no campaign funds...
let's all watch jimmy make even more of a joke out of himself...
Another assinine move by Gibbons.
Dump Gibbons in the next election!!
"He has my vote as the only one to stand up for "real" nevadans."
Do you mean the thousands of out-of-state whiners who came in for the teabagger protest? Were those your "real" nevadans?
It's not a redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the rich, rather it's a redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the lazy, stupid and unmotivated.
People who are middle class have jobs and for the most part, health insurance already.
However, the people that find it acceptable to have 5 kids with 5 different fathers, collect 52 weeks of unemployment without bothering to look for a job,
or are illegal aliens will all benefit by this farce of a bill that was passed by a bunch of cretinous liberals who didn't even bother reading what they passed.
We could end up paying legal fees for people denied the benefits of the health care reform bill. e.g. uninsured children
Unless the Attorney General is legally disqualified (and no, declining to take the case does not meet the definition of "disqualified" within the law), they are the ONLY entity authorized to represent the State of Nevada in a federal court of law. Doesn't matter if that court is in Miami, Chicago, San Francisco, or Reno.
Why wait until the next election? Can't he be impeached? Whether you love or hate the Healthcare bill, this is a HUGE WASTE of resource. There's no hurry. The individual mandate doesn't kick in until 2013. That's plenty of time to see how Flordia's litigation goes. If they win, there's no need to file. If they lose, there's no reason to chase losing arguments.
Pandering to the Te@baggers because is has to election funds. Gibbons has to rely on whatever free press he can stir up.
And when Gibbons leaves office he will have government provided health care.
Right Doug Dem, and by state law she has to file the lawsuit when directed to by the governor. She's lucky she's not in GA...they're impeaching their AG who wouldn't file the similar lawsuit after being directed to by their governor.
Real Nevadans like the real Americans and Real Aryans!!!!!!!!!!!
"Right Doug Dem, and by state law she has to file the lawsuit when directed to by the governor."
Except to follow state law she'd have to break her oath as an officer of the court (Rule 3.1 of the Nevada Rules of Professional Conduct states that an attorney must only bring meritorious claims before a court) and the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure (Rule 11 states that an attorney must assert that a case being filed is not being filed for an improper purpose).
She laid out her reasons as to why she believed that the case the governor was ordering was not meritorious, and that filing it would be improper under the FRCP.
So tell me - she can follow state law, she can follow her oath as an attorney before the Bar, or she can follow the Federal Rules (which have the effect of law). She cannot do all three. What should she have done?
Do none of you care that the federal government is taking away your right to choose? Doesn't matter what it is, this is a choice being taken away from you.
Oregon AG may counter sue if lawsuits hurts bill implementation. Mitch Mcconnell says it won't be repealed. Grow up dittoheads. The suit will be thrown out before November.
Incredible waste of money by Gibbons. He is a moron from the word go.
@Anchorbine You can pin this all on the lazy or illegals all you want, it won't change the fact that there are tens of millions of Americans who go bankrupt because of medical expense (no. 1 reason of bankruptcy in America) or hard-working folks who aren't provided coverage by employers. There's a whole host of reasons. You can demonize this all you want, but the majority are honest people. Where's you're outrage with farm subsidizes, corporate welfare, et al?
@ECM Exactly what 'freedom' are they taking from you? Look at how insurance companies are monopolies in large swaths of the country, up to 80 percent of a local market. That's NOT free market. WE TAXPAYERS already foot the bill for nearly 60 percent of coverage. Why? Because people, yes, Americans, don't have coverage.
Learn the facts!
Axiom...
RIGHT ON!!!
@ecm said: "Do none of you care that the federal government is taking away your right to choose? Doesn't matter what it is, this is a choice being taken away from you."
I see it as the federal government giving me the right to choose. I'll get a choice of insurance policies from various insurance companies at a price my middle-class existence can afford.
I agree that this takes away your choice to not be insured, rack up huge medical bills, and then declare bankruptcy. It takes away your choice to force the rest of us to pay for your lack of insurance by paying higher insurance premiums and fees to cover all the people who currently don't have insurance and default on medical bills.
The freedom to die a pauper, untreated and in pain
He has my vote as the only one to stand up for "real" nevadans.
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If he wants to stand up for me, he can start by bringing new jobs and industries to this state. That's part of his job. You can't on the one hand say "keep the Feds out of our lives" and then turn around and criticize the Feds for not creating jobs. If you don't want them, then YOU create the jobs; act like an independent if that's what you want to purport to be.
All that's needed is ONE state to file a lawsuit. It either wins or loses on the basis of legal principles. The precedent will apply to all.
"By ecm... Do none of you care that the federal government is taking away your right to choose?"
Actually they are giving us more choices. You have to actually read the bill to understand it.
When Gibbons loses the primary will he still try to take the gop candidate down with him? I just wish Rory hadn't given away Clark county to the firefighters. 16 hours a week automatic OT seems a little overboard Rory. I hope Ralston points out how you have allowed numerous agencies run wild and fleece the county during your tenure.
"Real Nevadans" were are the ones born here.
A "real nevadan" would rather die than be a parasite on the butt of the nation or state.
A "real nevadan" takes care of their own familys and understands that it takes a family to raise a child.
Gibbons wants to spend money on this? At the same time Nevada has the biggest budget shortfall ever. Gov.Gibbons your out of touch [again] and always have been!!! Eight more months of your foolishness and your GONE.
Axiom; @ECM Exactly what 'freedom' are they taking from you? Look at how insurance companies are monopolies in large swaths of the country, up to 80 percent of a local market. That's NOT free market. WE TAXPAYERS already foot the bill for nearly 60 percent of coverage. Why? Because people, yes, Americans, don't have coverage.
If I have to explain what freedom they are taking, you will never understand it. What you're describing advocates opening up state borders for more competition. I agree, right now the government (states) have a strangle hold on who they allow to sell insurance in their states, which allows the market monopolies. Wouldn't the answer be to open the borders and let the consumer decide?
bg; I see it as the federal government giving me the right to choose. I'll get a choice of insurance policies from various insurance companies at a price my middle-class existence can afford.
I hope your right, but I haven't seen anything to tell me they are going to dictate how much the insurance companies can charge you. Subsidies, only if you qualify.
polly6006; Actually they are giving us more choices. You have to actually read the bill to understand it.
Please enlighten me. I did read the part about establishing a ready reserve corps (Section 5210). It's projected to cost 87.5 million for five years. Not quite sure how that relates to health care.
how is this bill going to prevent bankruptcies? families still go bankrupt with health insurance (i.e. health insurance doesn't cover everything). the bill only forces you to get health insurance, that doesn't mean health insurance will all of a sudden cover everything magically. You get some major sickness, etc? this still isn't going to prevent bankruptcies anymore than before the bill was passed.
"I agree that this takes away your choice to not be insured, rack up huge medical bills, and then declare bankruptcy. It takes away your choice to force the rest of us to pay for your lack of insurance by paying higher insurance premiums and fees to cover all the people who currently don't have insurance and default on medical bills."
what makes you think premiums will go down? all the uninsured paying insurance? most of that money is going to help pay for the people they would otherwise not cover. there is no real mechanism to force lower premiums. What, we are paying less by getting help with subsidies? in the end, insurance companies are getting the same amount of money, little from you, rest from the government.
health insurance got a bailout, and a guaranteed 25+ million new customers. what incentive do they have to lower premiums? lol
RepubliCON, Pants down Gibbons to WASTE my hard earned tax dollars. Tax and spend right wing, goose stepping conservatives...VOTE HIM AND HIS FRIENDS OUT THIS FALL!
How many days until the primary?
DougDem posted...
"Except to follow state law she'd have to break her oath as an officer of the court (Rule 3.1 of the Nevada Rules of Professional Conduct states that an attorney must only bring meritorious claims before a court) and the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure (Rule 11 states that an attorney must assert that a case being filed is not being filed for an improper purpose)."
...but the suit brought by the other 14 state AG's does contain a meritorious claim and is being filed for a proper purpose. You and I both realize this is all politics; she's a Dem and the governor is GOP; this works out better for all of us anyway; we, the citizens of NV, don't want a Dem AG joining this suit in a half-assed manner; now the governor can get a real attorney to jojn with the other 14 AG's and fight this unconstitutional law.
Impeach the clown once and for all. Impeach all of them!
Gibbons wants to sue to give insurance companies the right to deny you care after you've paid your premiums?
Gibbons wants to sue to allow insurance companies to put yearly limits on benefits?
Gibbons wants to sue to remove young adults from the parents' insurance policies?
Gibbons wants to sue to kill the high-risk pool that allows the uninsurable to get insurance?
I'm sure his popularity will soar after this.
"..but the suit brought by the other 14 state AG's does contain a meritorious claim and is being filed for a proper purpose. You and I both realize this is all politics; she's a Dem and the governor is GOP; "
By my count, there are 18 attorney generals that are republican, and not even all of them agree there is a case to be made.
All these republicans CRYING and WHINING about tort reform are always the first to sue when they don't get their way!
I hope you can all read cortex-masto's letter to gibbons. I can't find the link though.
Exactly how has "tort reform" in Nevada helped us? Our insurance rates are among the highest in the nation, we have among the lowest doctor/people ratio in the country. You would think that doctors would be flocking to Nevada. Oh yes what's his name of the Hepatitis-C scandal set up a business here. And, after 2 1/2 years not a lawsuit. He was well-protected.
BarryS, I think they should change the cap on tort reform to unlimited, but they also need loser pays. This will cause the frivolous lawsuits to stop because attorneys wouldn't be able to get their costs covered if their clients lose, while at the same time allowing litigation for legit cases.
Axiom, there are two problems I have with the proposal.
1. Those who don't get health insurance get fined.
I'm one for "accountability". If I feel like I have enough cash to pay as I go for medical care, it should be my right. I don't however have any specific right to demand that a hospital admit or treat me and expect zero payment. Ideally, that should be the only penalty incurred for not having insurance, the risk that a hospital will tell you to go to hell if you can't pay them.
2. We already have welfare, food stamps, section 8 housing, and a host of other programs already designed to help the numerous non-productive members of our society continue to bleed the middle class dry. Again, at some point there has to be accountability. We are creating a sub-society of people that spend their entire lives milking the taxpayers dry and contribute nothing in return.
Wow a lot of anger going on here. And quite a few threats being thrown around.
Gibbons is suing on two points.
One is that Obama/Reid/Titus/Berkley want to force you to buy a product against your will.
Second is that Obama/Reid/Titus/Berkley want the state of Nevada starting a few years from now to spend over $600 million (will go over a billion a year in about 6 years) a year to fund ObamaCare and therefore will cut and squeeze out money that normally would be going to fund k-12 schools, higher ed and public safety.
Keep up the good work Gibbons.
Fight the tranny of the Obama and the big government-big brother Dems.
I think we should sue Gym Gibbons for MALFEASANCE!
The grand majority of states understand this is a waste of taxpayer money.
The republicans want to pout to judges and hope for some judicial activism. They will lose.
Next they'll tell us there's WMDs in Iraq...
Probably equating basic health care with government tyranny is a stretch. What will be interesting to see is the actual effect on the national deficit as projected by the White House.
They have a good argument but only time will tell. States rights lawsuits will also be a good thing. Remember the result when slavery was at issue. Perhaps this is not so different.
I hope you all watched Greta's show, On The Record, tonight, it's all about this lawsuit and the different states' controversies where the governor is Dem and the AG is Rep, or vice versa.
Also thank you, Sgt Rock, for correcting ksand's erroneous post where he enumerated 4 things that supposedly Gibbons was suing about. You correctly identified the 2 things that the suit is focusing on...FL AG Bill McCullom, who filed the suit in FL, just reiterated exactly what you posted!
Is Gretas Show on the network that provides most of the material for Jon Stewarts show on the comedy channel ? Of course if its on TV it must be without any bias or convolution of truth.
Our govenor really looks pretty stressed out. I mean dispite all the political conflict he really needs to cheer up. In terms of outings to attend OK so he did not show at ye old tea party but he should make a point of going to Nevadas biggest yearly gathering: Burning Man. If the Gov. would go to this National Event in the Nevada Desert I am sure he would return to the drudge of the political fight with a new vigor and view on society and the political notions of those whom he is paid to serve. I have a feeling he would really enjoy the event.
Middle class what middle class?????? I just see rich predators and the Rest of us!
"...correcting ksand's erroneous post where he enumerated 4 things that supposedly Gibbons was suing about."
Uh, wrong. I was listing the practical consequences of Gibbons' failed lawsuit if he finds some confused judicial activist who wants to subvert the commerce clause of the Constitution.
It's called pragmatism, enteaser. You should check it out.
Gibbons is an outright blithering idiot, does he not understand what the Attorney General said? It will be thrown out of court or at the most defeated, no matter what state it's done in. No Federal Court is going to make her opinion any different but he's willing to waste the much need state dollars to make a political statement.
That's what this all boils down to, it's some more of the Republican obstructionist bullshlt to try to make Obama look bad. The cry babies can't stand it because he got his healthcare Bill passed for the good of the people.
The election can't come too soon for me so we can finally get rid of that dumba$$ Gibbons. then he'll have more time to sexually assualt and harrass some more waitresses.
Wrong again....in the US court system and dealing with Federal law....if Gibbons wins his lawsuit then only those two points will be decided. They do not throw out the entire ObamaCare just because it breaks the Constitution in two areas.
I wish Ksand99 was right on this one but he is wrong.
So your points are really pointless.
Upholding the Constitution is not judicial activism. Making new law out of thin air is judicial activism.
Lastly, one can say that Iraq once had WMD's.
ANCHORBINE,
GET A CLUE AND THEN GET A LIFE!!!!
Many of those people in need have worked hard all their life but the crappy economy started by your boy Bush caused them to lose their jobs and along with it their health care and other benefits. Jobs are hard to come by but it looks like they're beginning to come back, no thanks to people like you or Bush.
You are the typical small minded piece of crap who badmouths others now but who, if you lose your benefits as well as your job, you'd be the first in line crying to the government for help. Then it will be OK, won't it.
Get real!
Just like the Florida No-count; the rich don't get their way in an election or legislatively they shake us down with the lawyers.
No, you are wrong, Sgt James F Nance Jr Rock. The lawsuit is the first step the republicans are taking to repeal health care reform.
They think they can win the lawsuits, and then they can work toward repealing the other provisions of the bill.
Again, we are talking the practical effects of the legislation being adjudicated. If sections are declared unconstitutional, they will use that as an excuse to repeal the entire legislation, returning us to the days of the insurance companies revoking insurance policies once someone gets sick.
Again, the lawsuits are based on state soverignty, and the states are arguing that the federal government doesn't have the right to dictate these policies. Take a look at the Virginia suit. You obviously haven't done your homework.
Please. its over, health care passed, Obama won. lets go on to something else, like our lousy College education system here.
ksand99...the king of disinformation.
The Republicans are not trying to repeal the entire bill just the bad stuff like.....
Forcing people to buy something against their will.
Cut hundreds of billions from Medicare.
States in a few years are going to spend hundreds of milllions to fund ObamaCare and cut into their k-12 education and higher ed and public safety budgets.
The parts that will caused premiums to raise.
The parts that will caused deficits to go up.
Just the bad stuff.....
I thought Republicans didn't like judical activism and judical activist judges. This is going nowhere. All of these suits will be thrown out on summary. Also, these Senators that are talking about repeal don't know how to count I guess....even if they won every seat (which they won't) they still wouldn't have enough votes for the 2/3 majority to over ride a Presidential veto. Were any of them listening in civics and U.S. Government class....basic stuff I thought.
Gibbons was elected on a no new taxes pledge, and the Dems can't stand that he does not front for them, like Schwartznegger did. The Dems know that their programs are O.K.--just so long as no new taxes are appled.
I bet rural Nevada loves the guy.
ATTENTION THE RESIDENTS OF THE LAS VEGAS VALLEY!!!!!
STOP WASTING YOUR TIME AND ENERGY IN THIS BS MESS THAT YOU KEEP HEARNING FROM ANNOYING PINHEADS!!!
INSTEAD..... LISTEN TO ME.... I WILL BRING THE FUTURE AND POSSIBILITIES OF THE NEXT GENERATION OF THE LAS VEGAS VALLEY!!!
Here are my plans:
1. Elimiate those wealth redistributing programs that PAY PEOPLE TO FAIL AND REDUCE PERSONAL PRODUCTIVITY including medicare, medicaid, welfare, etc.... HAVE PRIVATE GROUPS HELP PEOPLE OUT!!
2. REDUCE LABOR LAWS!! That means unnecessary min wage, OHSA, and all the other mess regulations!! MAKE THE LABOR MARKET COMPETITIVE!!
3. ELIMIATE TAXES AND HAVE MAJOR DEREGULATION!!!
Have public safety and infastructure funded other involuntary ways!! Oh yes.. STOP THE CRAP FANNIE AND FREDDIE BULLSH*T THAT WRECKED THE VALLEY'S MORTGAGES!!!
4. ABOLISH THE CCSD AND ALL THE EDUCATION DEPARTMENTS!!! Stop those cowards for WASTING OUR TAX FUNDS AND PROVIDE POOR SERVICE TO YOUNG INDIVIDUALS!!!Deliver competition, choice, and PROFIT DRIVEN INNOVATION OUR LEARNING SYSTEMS!!!
5. EDUCATE THE VALLEY ABOUT INVESTING AND $$$$ MANAGEMENT!!! Help the valley gain its investments spirit, avoid liabilities, and HAVE $$$ WORK FOR THEM!!
6. REDUCE PLANNING DEPT. ROLE IN PLANNING OUR CITIES. Let private companies do more of the work and design mixed-use, diverse towns that provide transportation choice, energy efficient, have social gathering places, and characterized by architectural appeal!!!
ALL THESE IDEAS WILL HAPPEN AND STAY IN VEGAS SOON!! SOMEDAY THE VALLEY WILL BE THE GREATEST IN THE WORLD!! OH YEAH!!!
"The Republicans are not trying to repeal the entire bill just the bad stuff like....."
There are lies, damned lies, and then there's this!
Several Senators and House members have chanted, regularly, "REPEAL THE BILL!" That's the entire election platform of several republican candidates.
You have crossed over into a completely different dimension. Return to reality, Rock.
Listen to the rhetoric of the leaders on the right. They want the entire bill repealed.
Seriously, if enough funding exists to sue the Federal Government over healthcare, I feel such money would be more wisely appropriated to Education: improving Nevada's education system is much more important (virtuous) than one's political position on healthcare reform. I would kindly ask our current Governor how much it would cost to sue the Federal Government to changes in healthcare reform. I think our current state executive leadership is living in the past. Changes are coming to improve the quality of live for many Americans who are uninsured or underinsured. Healthcare reform has been a platform for Democrats for many years. It's quite knobble to ensure all Americans have adequate access to healthcare (including mental health). It's absurd to sue against the will of the majority who seek changes to our current approach to medicine. Furthermore, our current Governor has mentioned that we might need to change and that change will be difficult for some people in this state; changes in healthcare will be difficult for the Governor.
Because lawyers are offering pro-bono free labor work then the lawsuit will not cost the state as much as normally it would.
On the other hand, if the lawsuit is not successful and if the parts of the ObamaCare are not repealed then that means in a few years that the state of Nevada will have to fork out over $600 million a year to fund ObamaCare and that number will quickly rise to over a billion a year.
So just think about what that cost will do to squeeze out money that normally be going to education budgets in Nevada.
That will be $600 million a year that could be going to education but not be going to ObamaCare.
If you are a teacher or a professor in Nevada then you should be fighting tooth and nail against ObamaCare and you should screaming to get people behind the lawsuit.
did any of you people against health care ever read the bill? apparently not as your ignorance shows. if the Rural Electrification Agency (REA) was still around, you would be complaining that we dont need any electricity and stop socialism.you guys complain just to complain; shut up already! bush was a failure, deal with it.
ksand posted...
"The lawsuit is the first step the republicans are taking to repeal health care reform."
...I agree and I hope you're right, but of course repeal can't happen until we get BHO out in 2013(overriding the veto with 2/3's vote is not pragmatic and I'm nothing if not pragmatic).
But de-funding the current bill is possible if we control the congress after the mid-term elections, and that is indeed possible.
Pragmatically and precisely yours,
E
Rock:
Please show me the UNIQUE and SPECIFIC interest that Nevada has in this case that NO OTHER STATE already involved has.
If Nevada has no unique interest, then why should we get involved? Even if it's a pro bono attorney, there will still be some expenses. Right now, we ride for free.
"But de-funding the current bill is possible if we control the congress after the mid-term elections, and that is indeed possible."
Except that Republicans running for office have made it clear they can't do THAT either, because any move to defund would be vetoed by the President.
Face it - you're being played.
The more states that join the lawsuit then that will bring more weight to bare on the case before the courts.
That is why it is important to get as many states as possible to file suits.
"The more states that join the lawsuit then that will bring more weight to bare on the case before the courts."
Um, no. That's not how court cases work, especially not at the federal level.
"Face it - you're being played."
How am I being played? They haven't made that clear at all...
("Except that Republicans running for office have made it clear they can't do THAT either, because any move to defund would be vetoed by the President.")
...the POTUS can NOT veto any legislation until it is passed. DUH, and you wonder why you get called Dumbocrats?
Come on you all... what you think about my plans ^^^^^ ??????
Okay, you want the proof?
"The fact is that's not going to happen, OK?" - Senator Bob Corker (R-TN), on the subject of repealing health care reform
"It may not be total repeal at the end of the day. It may be a series of fixes over the course of this bill getting enacted that allow us to change and possibly bend that cost curve down." - Senator Richard Burr (R-SC)
"I think as a practicality you're going to have trouble repealing the whole deal. But there ought to be areas where Democrats and Republicans can come together." - Rep. Jack Kingston (R-GA), one day after touting total repeal on FOX News
"Will [gains in 2010] that make full repeal possible? It might not." - Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
"Our view is that we should repeal and replace the bill with the solutions that we think actually work. Obviously, the president will not sign a repeal bill that the Congress passes, so that's more of a symbol. " Barack Obama is president. He would never sign a repeal law. We don't have the votes to get it passed right now. We're not going to waste our time on that." - Senator John Kyl (R-AZ)
"It's going to be very difficult to repeal this bill outright." - House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH)
Even the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, which spent millions on defeating health care reform, will not spend a single dime on any repeal effort.
Republicans can choose not to fund parts of the bill if they control either the House and/or Senate come Jan. 2012
Also if the Republicans control both houses then they can do stuff like Reid does and put parts of the repeal on things like renewing unemployment bills.
But if Obama loses in 2012 then much of the bill can be repealed or not funded with the help of Republican president.
"Republicans can choose not to fund parts of the bill if they control either the House and/or Senate come Jan. 2012"
They'd need to control the House to create such a bill (all funding bills must come from the House). RNC Chairman Steele doesn't think it's possible.
"But if Obama loses in 2012 then much of the bill can be repealed or not funded with the help of Republican president."
And really, what part of "Repealing the bill outright isn't an option" do you not get?
It's political kabuki. And you've bought it hook, line and sinker.
Doug Dem,
No, I didn't ask for proof(and I don't consider anything that you posted as proof so that's just as well). But I did ask you to explain your statement...
"Face it - you're being played."
...other than by you, I don't see how I'm being played.
And really, why would you ask this question?...
"And really, what part of "Repealing the bill outright isn't an option" do you not get?"
...both Sgt Rock and myself have both posted that this bill will NOT be repealed unless and until BHO is out of office. But if he is, and if the Reps control congress, repeal becomes very much in play. What part of that do you not understand?
I don't think you get it Doug Dem.
The Republicans think they have a decent shot of taking control of the House.
They might even take control of the Senate, too.
Once they have control of the House then they can not choose not to fund parts of ObamaCare.
let me tell you whats happening here..Obasma has started class warfare. He talks down on wall street bankers, insurance companies and anyone who stands in his way. Many of you believe what he says is truth. He has demamonized people with money, people who work, people that invest in their future and tells you, the ones that do nothing that you have been screwed.
Now the middle class and wealthy want to hold on to what they have worked for and earned...so they fight back....the ones who do nothing are screaming that the Repubs want to take away what they have just been given...more entitylements for doing nothing.
I say civil war in the streets of the USA before mr extra leftist liberal, our worst president (no racisim) ever. God help out country
"Once they have control of the House then they can not choose not to fund parts of ObamaCare."
1) Unless you control the Senate, it dies.
2) Obama will veto it. What will they do then? Threaten to shut down the government? That worked wonders for Newt Gingrich when he tried that gambit.
And how do I know your getting played? Because this is EXACTLY what Republicans did on the abortion issue. Every year they campaigned on getting enough Republicans elected to push new laws through Congress restricting or outlawing abortion. And yet, when they controlled the House, Senate and Presidency from 2001-2006 they did NOTHING about it because it's too good a "get out the vote" device.
That's what repealing health care reform is: a Republican vote generator.
Ohno! Obama's started the dreaded "demamonizing" program. Looks like I gotta go buy more ammo now fur sure.
You still don't get it.
Every year many parts of ObamaCare have to be funded.
They did not fund the program for the entire 100 years or even 2 years or even 1 year.
So each year, Congress will have to pass budgets to fund ObamaCare.
The House or the Senate can just choose not to pass budgets that contain funding for ObamaCare and their is nothing that the other chamber or President can do about it.
you guys are all whining, scared Gibbons is spending your hard earned money filing this suit,but, you are all ok with Obamas plan requiring Nevada to come up with 600 million to extend medicaid, and we DON"T have it.Or that our taxes are going up, or that we'll pay more for our ins with big companies. This is amazing, you will defend trillions spent,and the higher rates everyone will be required to contribute, but can't hardly stand anyone that wants to defend peoples rights to choose, no wonder we are doomed, so long as democrats are in office, this country is destined for the flush.
Maybe some of you tea bagger whiners should move to a state that has some real tax burden, if you think your precious bible-belt is so special and we are over taxed. Please also take your idiot children who clog up the schools fighting the teaching of real science in favor of your big-man-in-the sky "theory," maybe that will save the district enough money to teach the children who have a chance at further education.
I'm from Minnesota. Taxes are pretty high there.
You know what the AVERAGE WAGE IS in Minneapolis/Saint Paul ?
$23.37 PER-HOUR.
Of course, their education ranks high and that allows them to attract businesses.
Go figure.
"Gibbons said attorneys have contacted the his office willing to represent Nevada without charge." Read the WHOLE article, people. Now see to it that it's true.
"The House or the Senate can just choose not to pass budgets that contain funding for ObamaCare and their is nothing that the other chamber or President can do about it."
Except use the bully pulpit. Except use the media. Lawful, peaceful protests. Turn out at the ballot box and throw the obstructionist morons out of office.
Trust me, you really think the President CAN'T do anything? Gingrich played chicken with Clinton over the budget, and he lost.
What sort of BS is that about Minnesota. If its so great, move back. Wages, well that simply is not true or a highly skewed stat. I know people that live there and the wages here are far better. In fact its not even close in construction. This is one of the reasons there are so many people from Minnesota here, they were not able to make money there. I'll never forget looking at Townhouses there, 3 bedrooms in a decent area, 35,000. And that wasn't that long ago.
I say let em vote so there is no question as to the will of the people.
I think it would/will be a "landslide" approval.
cpo...
no need for the anger, eh?
Just responding to the previous post about other states and taxes; I guess you are the new "comment cop"?
Here's a link to the scoop on the wages;
http://www.startribune.com/business/8974...
Thank goodness we finally have someone in the White House who's willing to do what we've needed like all other civilized countries have had for so many years.
Sue their ass off
ignorance is bliss,this easter morning. its fitting reading these posts how naive people are. now i understand how christ got crucified.
Wooo hoo Governor!! Go Governor Go!!! Rah rah rhee kicke him in the knee!!! Rah Rha Rass kick him in the other knee!!! <stops to look at everyone looking back at her> Isn't this a G rated column??? I am so used to being G rated.. I just don't like being censored.. okay.. Governor.. seriously.. I am going to pray that you and the other Govenors... win this battle..Just because I can and I know the Good Lord will listen... I don't like seeing good money going to waste.. and the thing that runs our country... wastes so much money.. money he doesnt have to waste.. but since he spent all we have now... he is going to the rich.. to spend their money so we can have what we call good health care.. but when you think of it.. now a days.. there is no such thing as good health care anywhere.. so to reform the healthcare.. you must start with the medical staffs themselves.. because.. they are the ones who refuse to give good health care.. I don't even have a doctor and I am on medicaid. I had a p a.. and even she wouldnt help me with my knee.. so.. there you go.. no meds.. and no surgery.. okay.. I guess I have to suffer.. oh yeah.. the doctor who said he would fix my knee problems.. ended up saying surgery or injection.. I got injections in the past.. now I have a cyst growing in my tear.. i have a tear in my meniscus..but since I cant even get clearance.. I refuse to go to this P A who thinks she is all that and then some.. She was too fake for me.. You see I don't like liars.. and I won't put up with liars for doctors either.. that is how I see it.. and why waste money to go see a doctor if all they are going to do is lie and take the money they can get from medicaid?? Nope I refuse a doctor or a p a unless they will be honest..So there you go Govenor Jim Gibbons.. start with honesty.. I want an honest doctor.. and if you are going to start with health reform.. reform with new doctors that don't tell lies to their patients.. Oh yeah.. btw.. this PA also had the nerve to tell me I am dying.. I've been told this many moons ago too.. The Good Lord just isnt ready for me yet..
Gibbons already has government health care from his time in the military, time in congress, and time as governor.
I thought the state didnt have any money? Gibbons has money for a law suit? , wow he must have robbed the 261.00 from the teachers fund.
All you wannabe lawyers don't get it. Anyone can sue anyone for anything these days because the lawyers write the laws and govern our land. Gibbie can sue anyone he wants. My guess is that law firms looking to make a name for themselves will line up to represent NV citizens for free (especially a conservative firm). This is how it will go down. So all of you who complain about wasted money shut up already, you don't know how these things go down. I'm a superior intellect (never did any drugs, unlike you libs) so I do know. Nuff said.
"Anyone can sue anyone for anything these days because the lawyers write the laws and govern our land."
Do you talk computers to death in your spare time?
Hey Jimbo,
Why don't you take the vast sums of money out of that came into your brilliant 'voluntary education fund' to pay for the state's participation in this lawsuit?
Of course, that would preclude you from using the funds to pay for your make-up and hair needs should you decide to become a TV evangelist after the election.
Should you decide to follow in Jim and Tammy Faye's footsteps, you could base your show in Rhyolite. The old train station needs a tenant.
For everyone crying about the "waste of money" in challenging the constitutionality of the law, there are several law firms that have volunteered to represent Nevadans pro-bono. So to all of the leeches and the leech-friendly posters that are trying to get everyone else to subsidize health care for drug addicts, fat people, smokers, alcoholics, and people that reproduce like jack rabbits - please quit pretending that you are concerned about the state of Nevada's financial prudence.
gov jimbo gimbo is a slave to the mining industry. We have to tax the mining industry 7% on every dollar period and half of Nevadas problems will diminish, the other half of are problems are the idiots that have put this state in a hole with their back door deals. ( yes im talking about RE pulic CANTS )
"For everyone crying about the "waste of money" in challenging the constitutionality of the law, there are several law firms that have volunteered to represent Nevadans pro-bono."
They can't represent Nevada - only the Attorney General can unless she is legally disqualified.
She has declined to take the case, which is not a disqualifying action.
She has not been legally disqualified, so they can't do it, free or not. End of sentence. End of argument.
>>>So to all of the leeches and the leech-friendly posters that are trying to get everyone else to subsidize health care for drug addicts, fat people, smokers, alcoholics, and people that reproduce like jack rabbits - please quit pretending that you are concerned about the state of Nevada's financial prudence.<<<
Hey don't bad mouth the Health Industries best customers like that. If they go, so do the profits buddy. You don't actually think healthy people are profitable do you? The reason we have so many "leeches", is because they allow the crooks a way to drain the assets of healthy people. See you and I are already paying thru the rear-end in this Capitalist Scam System of an Economy. We have to pay for our care and that of Jim Gibbons, Firefighters and other assorted crackheads. They don't pay their way, we pay it for them. In return they tell us to go to hell with our needs and or to frigging peddle faster.
Jim Gibbons smells balance on his butt and fears he and his leech buddies might actually have to cut back on their blood sucking a tad. Commanded by his Mormon Faith, Jimmy is on the hunt.
"there are several law firms that have volunteered to represent Nevadans pro-bono."
They might say it is for free, and they may not send an invoice for services, You can bet there will be money passed some how. Its the Republican way. Nothing is free in the world of lawyers.
SgtRock says "The more states that join the lawsuit then that will bring more weight to bare on the case before the courts. That is why it is important to get as many states as possible to file suits."
It does not matter how many states file suit...if the case has no merit, the number of states filing is NOT going to change that!
Did you actually read the bill??? The case has NO MERIT.
Where do you get the idea that Nevada will have to shell out $600 M a year? Is that the $600 M we already use just realigned? Provide a link to these figures you are throwing out, please.
The pro-bono lawyers get gooolobs of free advertising.
Kinda like jumping on Gymbo's bandwagon glory grab even though the meritless suit is a loser's flash in the pan on the way out.
It's what desperate republicans do when they have proven themselves incompetent ass-grabbin cronyists with a snowball's chance.
The Attorney General protects and works for the people of this Great State. Not Gibbons nor his cronies... The Attorney General feels this lawsuit would be frivolous and a waste of Nevada tax payers money. Gibbons is screaming and ratting because, this is free publicity for him, since he has no money to run for office again. Gibbons is a sick sick man, that needs to be impeached.. Or we the people of this Great State will be stuck with his retirement. Impeach Impeach this bully...
those who trade liberty for security deserve neither .
only 16 states are even attempting to protect your freedom , and you complain .
you people deserve to be slaves .
everyone is complaining that Nevada will be spending money for a lawsuit, when it has been noted its pro bono, and that poly person that said passing money somehow is a republican trait is laughable and not one person has mentioned disgust in the bill that requires Nevada to cough up $600 million to extend medicaid, your SS contribution in your paycheck is going up, small businesses will lay people off because they can't afford the ins.....that tax credit is a one time deal, they can't afford to keep up with, but you're all worried about joining a lawsuit, that isn't going to cost you anything.
and just who do you think will pay for her to file suit against Gibbons? and just why do you propose she said "no" in the first place? Have any of you looked at her ties to Harry Reid? Duh.
and just how much do you think she cost taxpayers by filing bogus charges against Krolicki 4 months after he said he was going to run against Harry Reid? of which the judge dropped all charges stating angrily, there wasn't even minimal legal merit in the charges.
"protects and works for the people??? by doing what? costing us money filing bogus charges to safeguard her parties re election? Oh, if forgot to mention her husband was campaigning for Krolickis opponant for Lt Governor as well.
The new 2010 Obama Administration healthcare plan is unconstitutional. Why? In essence, it violates the 13th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and the "involuntary servitude" clause by in most cases requiring / forcing individuals to work in order to pay for their own health insurance, which has now become a mandatory form of debt imposed by the U.S. Government. Furthermore, it may also violate the 4th amendment in that by being forced to pay a healthcare premium or a fine for not having healthcare, an individual's personal property (i.e., money) is now being confiscated to satisfy a debt that has been legislated into existence and signed into law at the expense of the 13th Amendment.