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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., speaks to reporters as Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., left, Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., and Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, listen, on Capitol Hill Saturday (Dec. 19, 2009) in Washington, D.C.
Published Saturday, Dec. 19, 2009 | 10:02 a.m.
Updated Saturday, Dec. 19, 2009 | 3:59 p.m.
WASHINGTON — Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid introduced a final compromise version of health care reform on Saturday, believing he has the 60 votes needed to start several days of round-the-clock votes that could lead to passage by Christmas.
The new bill, priced at $871 billion over the next decade, reworked language on abortion and added home-state sweeteners to bring on board hold-out Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska, who announced his support.
The first in a series of votes could begin as early as 1 a.m. on Monday.
The White House heralded the legislative breakthrough after long and painstaking negotiations on President Barack Obama’s top domestic priority.
“It now appears that the American people will have the vote they deserve on genuine reform that offers security to those who have health insurance and affordable options to those for do not,” Obama said in remarks from the White House.
“Today is a major step forward for the American people. After a nearly century-long struggle we are on the cusp of making health care reform a reality in the United States of America.”
Securing the Nebraksa senator, perhaps the most conservative Democrat in the Senate, came after Reid, Nelson and others holed up until late Friday — in what was described as a long, tough day of deliberations.
When asked Saturday morning if he had the 60 votes necessary to proceed, Reid simply said: "Seems that way."
Republicans, however, oppose the bill en masse, and have signaled they would continue to employ the procedural tools at their disposal to halt the process.
Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader, called the latest compromise a "legislative train wreck" cobbled together behind closed doors.
Republicans on Saturday demanded a full reading of Reid’s amendment of changes to the earlier 2,074-page bill. Senate clerks spent more than seven hours reading through the 383 new pages as the first blizzard of the winter continued dumping snow on the capital.
"This bill is a monstrosity, a 2,100-page monstrosity," McConnell said.
But Reid, flanked by the chairmen of key health care related committees, said those who are trying to stop the legislation "have a lack of understanding of the problems in America today."
"I say to those people who want this thing stopped, they need to read our mail for a while," Reid said, referring to the letters that come to senators' offices with stories of hardships over health care costs.
"This bill will do so many good things for so many people."
Early analysis from Democrats show the latest compromise is similar to previous versions. It would reduce the federal deficit by $132 billion during the next 10 years and cover 31 million Americans who are now uninsured, ensuring health care coverage for 94 percent of the country. The price tag of the latest version is $23 billion more over the decade than the Senate’s earlier $848 billion bill.
Gone is the once-hoped-for public option plan, which liberal supporters believed would provide a necessary alternative to private insurers.
In its place is a new health care exchange that would allow the uninsured to buy policies from a menu of private insurers in a system overseen by the federal government — much the way members of Congress buy their health care.
The bill includes insurance company reforms, including a ban on denying coverage for pre-existing conditions and, eventually, on coverage caps. For children, the ban on denying coverage for pre-existing conditions begins immediately.
All Americans would be required to buy coverage by 2014, but subsidies would be offered to many low- and middle-income families. The new bill would expand tax credits for businesses to provide insurance to employers.
Those who refuse to buy insurance would face penalties, starting at $95 a year and growing annually, or up to 2 percent of income by 2016. Families that decline coverage would face maximum penalties of $2,250 a year.
Even though Obama initially opposed mandatory coverage as a candidate during the presidential campaign, analysts believe requiring all Americans to have insurance would broaden the risk pool and bring down overall insurance costs.
To pay for subsidies, the bill includes earlier proposals to tax high-wage earners, but it proposes doing so at a higher rate than the bill initially set. The new version nearly doubles the tax from 0.5 percent to 0.9 percent on those making more than $200,000 a year or $250,000 for families. It also taxes those who receive so-called “Cadillac” health care plans from employers.
Tanning salon patrons would also be hit with a new 10 percent tax on patrons, but the new bill drops an earlier proposed tax on cosmetic surgeries after plastic surgeons balked.
Nelson, the Nebraska senator, had opposed using any federal funds for abortion coverage. The bill already said no federal funds could be used to pay for abortion services, as has been longstanding law, except in cases of rape, incest or the threat of the death of the mother.
The House version of the bill strengthened that language, saying even individuals who use their own money to buy insurance off the new exchange could not spend their private dollars on abortion coverage.
The Senate compromise does not go that far, but would strengthen the firewall so that private and public funds are not co-mingled.
Reid and other senators had been holed up for hours this week crafting alternative language that could be acceptable to all Democratic senators.
But the Nebraska senator also was concerned about the bill's proposed expansion of Medicaid, the state-run federal insurance program for low-income families and children, worried it would saddle states with a bigger government program.
The Medicaid expansion has been a longstanding issue, raising concerns among the nation's governors, including in cash-strapped Nevada.
The bill had already promised full 100 percent federal funding to the states for the first three years of the expanded Medicaid program.
But Reid cut a deal that provides Nebraska with 100 percent funding indefinitely into the future — an arrangement that will surely draw fire in the majority leader’s home state of Nevada where Republicans have criticized Reid for not doing enough to help the state hard hit by recession.
Several weeks earlier, Reid also secured a deal for Louisiana Sen. Mary Landrieu, who had also been a holdout, that provides her hurricane-damaged state extra Medicaid funding.
The state of Vermont also received Medicaid enhancements, which Republicans immediately criticized as another sweetener. Sen. Bernard Sanders of Vermont, the Independent Democrat, had been among those greatly disappointed by the loss of the public option plan.
But the Medicaid enhancement for Vermont, and also Massachusetts, allows those states to receive additional federal support even though they have already greatly expanded their Medicaid programs from their state coffers. Negotiators felt that denying them federal support was punitive for the states’ past efforts to cover so many residents.
The health insurance lobby continued to fight the legislation, saying the new taxes on insurers will result in higher premium costs.
“While the bill makes important improvements in access and takes steps towards cost-containment, it lacks accountability to ensure that costs are brought under control,” said Karen Ignagni, the president of America’s Health Insurance Plans, the industry lobby group.
“This bill includes provisions that will increase costs for families and small businesses and disrupt the quality coverage on which millions of Americans rely today.”
Reid and Democrats have been holed up for days working long hours well into the night on the final language. With Republicans expecting to hold firm in their opposition, Reid must secure the votes of all 60 senators who caucus with the Democrats for passage.
Democrats were clearly pleased to have struck an agreement that appears to be able to set the bill on the course for passage.
Reid was greeted with a rousing applause as he convened a closed-door meeting of the caucus early Saturday following a 7 a.m. vote that morning.
"We have the goal in sight," said Sen. Tom Harkin of Iowa, the chairman of the Health committee.
Progressives remain disappointed by the bill, believing that without a public option alternative, the legislation would simply serve up 30 million new customers to the insurance companies, with no alternative to force competition and drive down premium costs.
Harkin, a leading progressive who fought for the public option, suggested the bill was a start.
“What we are building here, it’s not a mansion. It’s a starter home,” Harkin said. “But it’s got a great foundation.”
The bill would still need to be merged with the House-passed version, and the two have stark differences.
But making substantial changes could be dicey: Nelson of Nebraska said his support could be lost if major changes occurred in merging a potential Senate bill with the House.
“We don’t want a wholesale substitutive or material changes, because my support is condition,” Nelson said.
A blizzard covered the capital in heavy snow overnight, essentially shutting down the city. Snow continued falling throughout the day blanketing the streets in the season’s first major storm.







and this health care bill is suppose to lower the debt....after paying off all the senators for their votes...probably going to cost billions and billions...and trillions.
60 fools leading this once great country into an abyss of debt. Hope they all rot in hell.
Someone had to vote for them time and time again. Who's really at fault?
how is it legal that they essentially buy votes? disgusting. even the dems that vote for this should be pissed since they dont get any bribe money.
it makes me sick that these senators only care about their states and care nothing about the country as a whole. thanks to nelson (NB) for letting us taxpayers from other states give you millions if not billions of dollars for your vote.
WHAT A JOKE! spend spend spend. when are they going to get it? we cannot spend our way out of this!
i really hope we can vote all these morons out of office and get term limits for everyone so we quit having career politicians that just milk the system and become multi-millionaires on our dime.
Reid will do ANYTHING to get this massive healthcare bill passed just as a majority of the voters in Nevada will do ANYTHING to ensure he does NOT get re-elected. Good bye Harry! A majority of the people do NOT want this bill passed as it stands. We need reform, but lets do it right. After all it is WE THE PEOPLE not WE THE SENATORS!!!
people wanted a democrat for President. Now they have one.
and he's a brunette too
Yea it takes spending money to get this country out of the mess that the republican regime of the last 8 years left us in. Nobody else has brought a better plan, now that we have brought up a plan and the whiners are left out of the process they do what they do best. Republicans had their chance to lead this country and failed. Don't blame Harry Reid, at least he is taking a lead role. Any republicans do that ??? No .... The majority of the people spoke on Election day !!
Goodbye to everyone named Reid.
Let the Hue & Cry begin...
Without a public option, this bill is useless.
It's appalling the Democrats couldn't unify in the name of good as Republicans do in the name of evil.
Guess all that payola money from insurance companies is really what matters most.
"All Americans will be required to buy coverage, which simply serves up 30 million new customers with no competition to private insurers".
If this healthcare mandate ruse is implimented how will payment enforcement upon the nation's growing unemployed, homeless, handicapped, mentally ill, invalid, the impoveraged and their children be assured?
Go get them Harry, round-up the social parasites, MAKE them PAY with funds they don't have -- move them from our streets and back-alleys to prison under the ruse of caring for their health -- that'll work, that's the plan, right?
Make em' pay Harry!
Make em' PAY!
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Looks like a circle jerk with the pivot point
Reid
like i always said...
you either support the public option...
or...
you support the greedy pig insurance companies and their very real death panels and the money grubbing whore doctors...
well guess what boys and girls...
the greedy pig insurnace companies and their very real death panels won...
this bill amounts to nothing more than a hand out to the insurance companies...
it is a joke...
it must be defeated...
And once you got em' ALL hooked into PAYING just keep jacking up their costs!
That is phase two of this scheme, right Harry?
Go get em' ALL Harry - every stinking last one of them American parasites!
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Harry Greid said the the people "have a lack of understanding of the problems in American today."
What he is telling us is we do not know what is good for us.
Greid has given in to Unions, Insurers, Hospitals, and Pharmaceuticals
Billions more for Unions and Senators Payola.
I think we understand the problem we have.
About time these Obama backing parasites got bent over and forked out some loot -- "I was only robbing the liquor store to pay my health insurance".
"Why? Because I had to."
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If I had my way I would pull the plug on all public benefits until all Americans are covered responsibly. I bet all of you who have the negative comments dont even have insurance or insurance that I wouldnt have my dog treated with. Anyone who does not think we need reform better look at their paycheck every week or 2, and if you get sick I hope your insurance tells you "sorry you had a broken finger and based on our policies you have an existing condition". So when you are injured or sick or a loved one needs care remember you can be cut off at anytime.
Getting back to my original statement about pulling the plug, I would stop all treatments listed under Mdeicare, Medicaid etc. That means everyone who needs care or who are receiving care needs to pay cash or we pull the plug or discharge you to your loved ones who now need to pay. And if you need to put your parent into a care home you better put up $$$$ before they speak to you. Does this sound familiar, well for the most part not to many of you, because before Medicare was approved in 1964 this is what faced almost 91% of Americans. Only the privilaged and those who had enough cash could afford to care for a loved one, prior to 1964 you had no choice but to care for a sick parent or loved one. Think about this for a moment those who know anyone who collects any "PUBLIC" funded benefits. I did forget one thing for those who are collecting that little check called unemployment benefits, it was the Democrats who helped you not the other side. They wanted no part in helping you or anyone else. Look at the states that some of these so called conservatives are from and you tell me where they ranked in education, health care, fare pay, and overall workers benefits.
You see nobody looks at these things because for the most part everyone became "color" blind on January 21, 2009. But ignorance will always prevail and trump those few of us who really see the overall picture of what has been going on for many years. I guess when public education offered history and civics classes everyone was asleep, and still are.
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Pele, I wholeheartedly agree with you. These people don't know what its like to try to take care of a parent or grandparent with dimentia or emphysema. Which I have had to do both. If it were not for medicare/medicaid I would have had to go on welfare myself. I would not have had the home nurse for my father and grandmother. I would have had to quit working and go on welfare myself to take care of them. On top of it all I was unlucky enough to be born with diabetes. I have been told time and time again that I am uninsurable. Something they don't understand. Just my insulin would cost me over $1200/mo. And that is before any of my other meds. With the current job market now how would I have any hope of taking care of myself? Granted, I have insurance at work. But, if my premiums and deductible continue going up as they are I will be completely priced out of the market.
Why didn't McCain hold out for more for Ariz.?...I heard Dodd promised him a low interest loan for one of his 7 houses...Nelson got more years added on for his state,[gave the Corn Huskers new pickers]Gov of N.C. got frequent flyer miles,[but only to Brazil]....Pelosi was promised a new jet {because hers was smaaler than Air One]Reid won't even show his face in NV.,....All of CONGRESS has to be dragged out of there,...This payola is illegal and they should be jailed....
Femocrats: we still have checks so there still must be money in the account.
Like I've been saying, the Dems would eventually pass an empty bill, with NO public option and NO Medicare for all.
They couldn't come this far and pass nothing or Obama's presidency would effectively be over. But Scary Gried and the Dems will still be held responsible at the ballot box in 2010 and 2012.
Whoopee, Democrats, you finally passed something with a Dem president, a Senate majority and a House majority. With all that power, you'd think you would have gotten a bill that actually had something good in it.
I don't want to hear Obama or Reid call this bill "historic." It's nothing of the sort, and voters won't be fooled. Who votes in this country? Old people -- who are getting the shaft in this bill -- and businesspeople -- who will be taxed more if they make over $200,000. Who doesn't vote? Leeches who want everyone else to pay their bills for them.
Bottom line? Nighty-night Reid in 2010. Nighty-night Obama in 2012.
That would be South Carolina where their good ole Gov spent tens of thousands of dollars to satisfy his urges, WHILE MARRIED. Does this sound familiar to those who live in Neveda!
You see if you ever traveled to South and North Carolina, Georgia, Miss, Lous, Alabama etc you would see poor beyond poor and I am talking white and black. You would see wages that are $2.00 to $3.00 below the national average for min. wage. You would find that all of the health insurance is controlled by really 2 companies. You know one these companies had their president and others go to jail because of banking millions and reporting profits when there was none and while people suffered. Look up previous seasons of American Greed and you would be enlightened.
But I will say this and we Americans deserve it, there needs to be term limits for all of those in congress. Has anyone seen Senator Byrd from West Virginia, enough said.
The sad part in all of this is that we dont deserve anything because we are not served by those who we elect. I want people to remember one thing that in 1981 Reagan and his cronnies changed the rules for workers in this country. Massive cuts in wages, changing the rules for companies and giving everything to those at the top.
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Pele: this worse than worthless health care legislation will have the same effect on our national economy as a double chocolate ice cream cone will have on your diabetes.
Reid's career in the Senate is just about over.
I think you got the wrong person with your diabetes comment. I am healthier than you would ever be. That would be another poster. But I see your ignorance in all of this.
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Like teamster says... We just won a pig in a poke...
Just wait. The 60 fools are voting for amnesty next year. So all 40 million illegals will be covered under obama care.
I see said the blind liberal as he picked up his hammer and saw.
Union of Socialist States of America (U.S.S.A.)??? Has a familiar ring to it?
Winner: Obama's Ego
Loser : 350 million Americans
This is sad news. I can't wait to vote these guys out of office.
Clearly a PAYOFF/BRIDE to get this done, or as the DEMS call it a "concession" for the vote. Terrible. This IS the beginning of the end for America and freedom. Except a TAX on Oxygen soon enough.
A lot of highly principled people here. May I ask, how many of you voted for Jim Gibbons for governor?
Whorehouse Harry Greid is politically dead with this piece of garbage they are sticking up American's rear ends. Wait till November Harry you will be toast. America will elect some new faces to Washington who will repeal this piece of crap before it ever takes effect. You will be the first to go.
The Democrats are almost there. Its been a struggle, but If the current Senate bill is passed, look for the compromise bill that comes out of House/Senate to be enacted into law.
The bill is not perfect (far from it....) but its a major step in the right direction. Over the next 3-5 year's the current bill will be tweaked several times....
Many right-wingers on this board are saying that Harry Reid will not win re-election next Fall. Actually they're just hoping that he will not be re-elected. The passage of the current health care bill may put Harry over the top come election time....
jlb101......
Has anyone ever told you that you suffer from a great deal of anger? Have you ever thought of taking an "anger management" class?
Give it some thought....It can't hurt!
Wolfie: I'm already ringing doorbells in my condo complex. If you don't believe Reid fatigue is real, start asking the man on the street how he feels.
When will one of these cowardly-lion type political geniuses of any party stand up and tell us truthfully 1) that they personally read the entire 2,000 page bill as originally presented; 2) that they are dropping their own government health insurance policy and joining us in the wonderful one they have designed, planned and conived for the rest of us? When oh when will anyone of them come forward for either or both one of these statemens? No Democrat, Republican, Independent or other politically leaning cat would be brave enough to do that...they are all bastards and screwing us.
Give Congress an 'enema' and stick the nozzle in Harry Reid's office first...he is a real piece of $#%$#@ !!! Vote em all out at each of the next elections until they are all gone for good.
You know something?
Weather you like him or not this really is quite an impressive political accomplishment...IF he can pull this off!
As a progressive and a liberal I'm NOT on board with this legislation...BUT he sure has FAR more savey and a hell of a lot more smarts and skill than our schmucky, dumb as brick, deer in the headlights, scandle ridden, holier than though, better than you and me, Sen. Ensign!!
Stuart & Robert Wyman-Cahall
Las Vegas, NV 89142
Stuart & Robert: are you a gay couple? If so, how disgusting.
My dear friend mikegino,
Yes, we are a gay couple...lol...sorry my post about health care and the diffence between the savey Sen. Reid and the know-nothing Senator Ensign really got your feathers ruffeled!!!
But I guess when you're on the wrong side of history (Medicare, Social Security, etc.) then the only thing that matters to you is our gayness!!
Lol! Sorry, but that's soooo old news! That stuff is now only used on the ignorant and the uneducated. It hardly works for most Americans anymore.
Stuart & Robert Wyman-Cahall
Las Vegas, NV 89142
I don't care about parties, let's talk about "rights" versus obligations.
If you have diabetes or a parent with dementia then you have an obligation to get medical care. I someone who works out and isn't part of your family doesn't have the right or obligation to pay for your unfortunate situations and personal choices. Your medical care shouldn't be taken out of MY paycheck!!!!!
The government doesn't have the obligation nor is it a "right" to have insurance, medical care isn't something we are born with like the "right" to be free, due process, speech or other rights. It's crazy how people all of a sudden think it's a right that every citizen should bear the responsibility of insuring our people as a whole. I make choices which I should be responsible for, and if someone else makes difference choices they should have to be responsible for them. The notion that the government of the people is going to accept that responsibility is ludicrous.
Let's compare medical insurance to car insurance, which is a responsibility of individuals and government doesn't mandate everyone have. If one wants to drive, they must have it AND pay for it, but it's not part of a "right" as an American. How is this any different?
This bill is going to end up in court for longer than Obama is in office even if re-elected as it spits in the face of the constitution. I am thankful that they dropped the public option as now reasonable Democrats are now realizing what's happening.
Republicans have been posturing against this on principal not reality but are lucky in this case as this is horrible for anyone with a decent job who has worked to be who they are. The only people who should really support this are those who have chose to not advance themselves as is their "right" and think government is a handout. If nothing else Republicans are lucky that this is unconstitutional...
I just cannot believe how this bill is going to pass? Everyone who votes for this bill needs to lose their job.
It appears that the Liberals are in the process of passing a pig in a poke. Nobody but Harry knows what's in the bill but all of the Democrats will vote for the bill because they do not have a clue what else to do...
The right is just getting cranked up. By Monday, they will be full-blown apoplectic.
For today, general hand-wringing and anti-Harry diatribes. Hell hath no wrath like a righty scorned.
This is just another line of BS. Been waiting 25 MONTHS FOR SSI/DIS ...I suppose we will get an NRS LAW as well out of this--only in NEVADA, let's not kid ourselves.
gqbossing, those diseases are not choices. They happen. If I am priced out of insurance I do not have my insulin. Which in turn means I die. There is no "generic" insulin which I can get for $4 a month. Minimum investment out of my pocket would be close to $2000/mo. Not $200 but $2000. You should not have to live in fear that you will lose everything you own if you get sick. That is not appropriate in the richest country in the world. If I don't have the coverage through my employer then I cannot get insurance. What part of uninsurable do you not understand? I cannot get private health insurance they will not take me. Guess why? I have a pre-existing condition. So I should just die and leave you to your money?
gqbossing the amount of money you pay out of your pocket for a National Health Insurance Plan would likely be less than what you are paying for medical at your job. Not to mention far less than private insurance.
Our elected representatives arrogance is at an all time high. Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. Or they do and just dont give a darn.
Hey harley the immigrants don't have to pay in, all they need is a social security card for indentification purpose.
rebel ron the illegals are already covered with this bill.
The U.S. citizens are paying for it.
All they have to do is show up at a medical facility and show a social security card, be it theirs or not.
We the people are also paying so the illegals have interpretors at all medical facilities.
As one senator put it,"This is not right, the illegal immigrants are getting more out of this bill than our citizens". We are also paying more!
Free is good...
Come to the trough and get all you want...
Mindless takers who have lost their souls...
Someone else will burden the cost...
This bill needs to be killed since its not reform in any way. What our corrupt politicians on BOTH sides of the aisle have done is waste months negotiating nothing on purpose because they are in bed with BIG Pharma & BIG Insurance. This bill has nothing in it for the public and is yet another sell out by our bought and paid for well bribed Washington machine.
Campaign reform, weeding out dirty lobbyiest bribe money and term limits need to come before health care reform. Nothing will happen for any American until we get our government on track. Our political system is broken and is run on sell outs and bribes. The only time a politician needs us is for a vote so he can return to the trough.
Did I hear someone say REVOLUTION? It may be the only way.
"Hey harley the immigrants don't have to pay in, all they need is a social security card for indentification purpose."
Speaking of Social Security, my grandfather paid into that socialist Ponzi-scheme since inception and never received a dime in return -- I've paid a significant amount and have never received anything in return as well -- Since the program is a Ponzi-scheme which keeps changing the rules, I just want to opt-out with all my money returned, interest compounded.
The bad guys never view themselves as being "the bad guys".
As for immigrants, aren't most Americans immigrants and/or descendants of immigrants possessing social security cards?
Kill the Bill - and remove the parasites, leeches, deadbeats, fraud, corruption, mandates, laws, etc. that continue to make healthcare costs unaffordable for the common American.
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All we have to do is vote out ever incumbent, after two terms and now we have term limits, on our own terms.
Then, if they prove not to be for the people and just for themselves, vote them out after the first term.
Just remember, who ever is voted in office and arrives in Washington, are immediately taken in a back room. There they are told, raise your right hand and swear after me: I swear to Cheat, Lie, and Steal at ever given opportunity for myself. After answering "I WILL" They are then told, you're now one of us Brother/Sister...Gradulations! The their told to get out there and Rape, Rob, Steal from your government and constituency's, as fast and hard as you can!
Don't be fleeced, voting out incumbents does nothing -- voting out their PARTY does everything.
The PARTY that best represents the interests of the majority is the Libertarian party.
Always vote, Libertarian.
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What are they thinking? The only thing that matters here in Vegas is increasing private sector jobs and low taxes. The conservative movement has already started to taken effect in Virginia, and New Jersey. We need to get home building, banks, and wall street cranking again. Since January the "American Dream" has started slipping away. It should be unconstitutional to pass a bill on the weekend in the early morning. They are scared to come home to meet the voters and discuss the issues.
Might as well hand the Democrats and illegals the keys to your house since you've just paid for the firing squads' bullets
Fascists - What a field day for the heat -
What these people are doing is HIGH TREASON!This is not the will of the people,and WE should demand that they step down!These men and woman need to remember they are there for the people,and not for themselves,and come next year,me thinks times will change?I just hope when faces change,they work together for the people,and not their own parties!!!
Cornhusker Kickback & Louisiana Purchase -- once again Congress demonstrates how easily they can be bought off & supposed principles cast aside, supporting a bill that is anathema to both conservative & liberal -- rife with special interest pork, an administrative nightmare, and a budgetary disaster at both the national & individual level. And ultimately, it will be just as effective & efficient as TARP. As a conservative, I'm opposed government intervention outside of regulatory guidance in principle -- but if we're going to intervene, let's do so efficiently & effectively (even if that means something akin to Canada's system, only "made better"). Kill the bill & start over Congress; devise something that not only works but that won't break the (Chinese) bank -- or plan on looking for a new line of work come the next election!
National Debt Year By Year 1929 through 2009
It keeps on growing and and growing.....anyone want to predict the year our federal government will be bankrupt?
09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06
09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86
09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38
09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00
09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00
09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00
09/30/1980 $907,701,000,000.00
09/30/1979 $826,519,000,000.00
09/30/1978 $771,544,000,000.00
09/30/1977 $698,840,000,000.00
06/30/1976 $620,433,000,000.00
06/30/1975 $533,189,000,000.00
06/30/1974 $475,059,815,731.55
06/30/1973 $458,141,605,312.09
06/30/1972 $427,260,460,940.50
06/30/1971 $398,129,744,455.54
06/30/1970 $370,918,706,949.93
06/30/1969 $353,720,253,841.41
06/30/1968 $347,578,406,425.88
06/30/1967 $326,220,937,794.54
06/30/1966 $319,907,087,795.48
06/30/1965 $317,273,898,983.64
06/30/1964 $311,712,899,257.30
06/30/1963 $305,859,632,996.41
06/30/1962 $298,200,822,720.87
06/30/1961 $288,970,938,610.05
06/30/1960 $286,330,760,848.37
06/30/1959 $284,705,907,078.22
06/30/1958 $276,343,217,745.81
06/30/1957 $270,527,171,896.43
06/30/1956 $272,750,813,649.32
06/30/1955 $274,374,222,802.62
06/30/1954 $271,259,599,108.46
06/30/1953 $266,071,061,638.57
06/30/1952 $259,105,178,785.43
06/29/1951 $255,221,976,814.93
06/30/1950 $257,357,352,351.04
06/30/1949 $252,770,359,860.33
06/30/1948 $252,292,246,512.99
06/30/1947 $258,286,383,108.67
06/28/1946 $269,422,099,173.26
06/30/1945 $258,682,187,409.93
06/30/1944 $201,003,387,221.13
06/30/1943 $136,696,090,329.90
06/30/1942 $72,422,445,116.22
06/30/1941 $48,961,443,535.71
06/29/1940 $42,967,531,037.68
06/30/1939 $40,439,532,411.11
06/30/1938 $37,164,740,315.45
06/30/1937 $36,424,613,732.29
06/30/1936 $33,778,543,493.73
06/29/1935 $28,700,892,624.53
06/30/1934 $27,053,141,414.48
06/30/1933 $22,538,672,560.15
06/30/1932 $19,487,002,444.13
06/30/1931 $16,801,281,491.71
06/30/1930 $16,185,309,831.43
06/29/1929 $16,931,088,484.10
Liberals are like a herd of sleep, and they have just been fleeced by their own party...
Bribery, a form of pecuniary corruption (consisting of or measured in money),
Bribery is an act implying money or gift given that alters the behavior of the recipient.
Bribery constitutes a crime and is defined by Black's Law Dictionary as the offering, giving, receiving, or soliciting of any item of value to influence the actions of an official or other person in discharge of a public or legal duty.
Bribery is the gift bestowed to influence the recipient's conduct.
Bribery may in the form of money, good, right in action, property, preferment, privilege, emolument, object of value, advantage, or merely a promise or undertaking to induce or influence the action, vote, or influence of a person in an official or public capacity.
I'm sorry, Larry... were you confused about the ways of Washington, DC? Have you forgotton how many REPUBLICANS have gone to jail for bribery?
As for Liberals being a "herd of sleep", I, for one, could join a herd of sleep right about now.
How does this work; do we count sheep? er..sleep?
Gmager... You will notice I did not name any political party or persuasion.
I hear that some who post here, like sleep and others here have a fondness for sheep.
Now, I don't want to criticize anyone, because I have seen some pretty good looking sheep myself.