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twitterObama goes gloves off, head-on
He discusses how race has flared up in the campaign, a suit over voting on the Strip
Leila Navidi
Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama speaks during an interview on Sunday at Doolittle Community Center.
Mon, Jan 14, 2008 (2 a.m.)
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In a Sun interview Sunday, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama addressed the suddenly front-and-center issue of race in his fight with New York Sen. Hillary Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination.
Looking poised and relatively fresh given the grueling schedule of a presidential campaign, the senator from Illinois spoke in his customary manner — cool, measured, deliberate — about urban issues, his appeal to Hispanic voters and a controversial lawsuit about Saturday’s caucus that is pitting some Clinton backers against Obama and the union that endorsed him last week, Culinary Union Local 226.
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Obama, framed by a portrait of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. in a Doolittle Community Center classroom, addressed the lawsuit in which a group of Democratic activists, including the state teachers union, is suing the Democratic Party, declaring as unfair the existence of nine at-large caucus sites on the Strip. Those sites are designed to allow shift workers union and nonunion to caucus in case the 11:30 a.m. start time falls during their workday. The plaintiffs say the Strip caucus sites are designed to give an unfair advantage to the Culinary.
Obama addressed the lawsuit head-on: “Look, the caucus structure was agreed to by every major player in the Democratic Party here in Nevada and was negotiated by the major players in the Democratic National Committee. Six days before the caucus is taking place, some of the people who were connected to setting up this very structure are now filing suit, trying to change the rules. It’s hard not to draw the conclusion that people were unhappy about the outcome of the Culinary Union endorsement process and now people are trying to fix it. In the process it is disenfranchising dishwashers and bartenders who work hard and should be able to participate in their democracy.”
Although Obama didn’t mention it, his surrogates, including Culinary Secretary-Treasurer D. Taylor and state Sen. Steven Horsford, D-North Las Vegas, are quick to point out that many of those who would be “disenfranchised” are black or Hispanic.
For black voters especially, the issue of disenfranchisement is not to be trifled with, considering America’s Jim Crow past and the history of willful suppression of the black vote.
Indeed, race has become a sudden and unavoidable fact of the presidential contest as it moves to the first state with a sizable minority population.
In recent weeks, Clinton allies have made a series of awkward and sometimes crass remarks that play to stereotypes about black men.
Billy Shaheen, her then-New Hampshire chairman, speaking about Obama’s admission in his memoir that he used drugs as a teenager, said Obama would have to answer questions about whether he’d sold drugs. Shaheen resigned.
Andrew Cuomo, a Clinton supporter and New York’s attorney general, said about New Hampshire, “You can’t shuck and jive” there.
Robert Johnson, founder of Black Entertainment Television, seemed to imply that while Clinton and her husband, Bill Clinton, were working hard for black people, Obama was off doing drugs. Johnson later released a statement denying that that’s what he meant.
Clinton recently seemed to downplay the role of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. in the passage of the Civil Rights Act.
“Dr. King’s dream began to be realized when President Lyndon Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, when he was able to get through Congress something that President Kennedy was hopeful to do, the president before had not even tried. But it took a president to get it done.”
This series of events, which the Clinton camp says are discrete and easily explained, carries considerable risk of a backlash for her. Black voters could make up to 20 percent of Democratic caucusgoers in Nevada. White Democrats might react angrily to any impression that the Clinton campaign hascoordinated an effort to use race against Obama.
On the news show “Meet the Press,” Clinton accused the Obama campaign of distorting what she said about King: “Clearly, we know from media reports that the Obama campaign is deliberately distorting this ... It is such an unfair and unwarranted attempt to, you know, misinterpret and mischaracterize what I’ve said.”
Asked by the Sun about the racial tenor of the race, Obama replied: “I am puzzled by it. She made a statement about Dr. King that I think was ill-advised. But I said nothing about it. Suddenly, she is blaming us for distorting her words. I don’t know how I could distort her words since I hadn’t commented on her words since she made the statement. Now you see this ratcheting up of rhetoric coming out of her surrogates. I find it puzzling.”
Asked whether Hispanics, who make up one-quarter of Nevada’s population, would support a black candidate for president, he deflected the question and said they probably know the Clintons better than they know him. He then laid out a list of policy proposals designed to help Hispanics, including immigration changes that would provide a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, school dropout prevention programs and money for college.
“If Latino voters examine my track record, I think they’ll feel enormous confidence that I will be strong advocate on behalf of equal opportunity and fairness.”
If the recent Culinary endorsement is to mean anything, Obama will have to appeal to Hispanics, who make up 40 percent of the union’s membership.
He also discussed his agenda for healthier cities, which includes early childhood education, job creation and drug treatment, all aimed at breaking a cycle of poor people with few opportunities going into the drug trade, which leads to prison, making them almost permanently unemployable.
Michael Kostroff, an actor who was in town to volunteer for Obama and had a chance to meet him, told the Sun that Obama’s favorite TV show is his own: HBO’s “The Wire,” which chronicles Baltimore’s violent drug culture and the police who quixotically try to stop it.
Obama told the Sun his favorite character is Omar, a stick-up artist who steals from drug dealers and then gives the loot to poor people in the neighborhood.
“That’s not an endorsement. He’s not my favorite person, but he’s a fascinating character.”
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The Clintons are providing Obama with great experience in that GOP specialty - dirty tricks.
There will always be people who fall for these, and the only way to stop this kind of attack is vote overwhelmingly against it.
It takes time to sift through all the muck being
thrown around in campaigns, but it is our job as citizens to do more than react to news bites.
Here's hoping Nevada has a record turnout for the caucuses.
I hope people truly listen to each candidate and see what each of them has done - and is doing right now. Obama is the real deal.
The Clintons will have a much harder time getting away with things this election cycle, I think. People are sick of these kinds of tactics and want someone who actually has a chance to get things done. That person is Barack Obama.
We have Hillary constantly lying, we have Bob Johnson of BET doing his cr*p and she refuses to dump him like she dumped Shaheen from NH.
Is there any other choice for Democrats than to drive a stake through the vile heart of the Clintons and flush the party of their poison and venom and the poison and venom of their corrupted supporters?
She will destroy the Democratic Party and energize the GOP.
ABC=Anybody but Clinton is national phenomenon for good reason; we all want to retire these vulgar people to the sidelines where they belong.
Let's take the party back to the people where it belongs.
ABC! Amen!
http://www.barackobama.com/learn/meet_ba...
Look under "Political Career" of Obama. Six years in Illinois congress, 1 paragraph, 2 sentence to describe his great achievements :-)
In the same segment, 2 years in US Senate, 2 paragraph, lot of sentence with no concrete achievements. He sould have mentioned his achievement that Senator can not any longer eat with lobbist, unless they are standing up :-)
It is amazing, what he is getting away with. Republicans and corporate media will not let this guy get away with this once they get him as nominee.
Hussain Obama supporter please list his achievements.
Inspiration- word + work
Rhetoric- words only
Please list HRC's achievements.
Zero, zip, nothing
35 years of nothing.
35 years as the antithesis of Feminism, standing in her husband's shadow and accepting his sexual predation.
Presidential spouse is presidential qualification? Then we should have elected Pat Nixon and Mamie Eisenhower, Lady Bird...
35 years never ran anything
Again, 35 years of nothing. Changed nothing.
8 years of 'the most ethical administration in American history' and she running the entire show and West Wing and selling the soul of the party each and every day.
A fresh face with new ideas always trumps a corrupted entrenched politician who would sell her very soul in her lust for power.
Say anything, do anything does not belong in the White House
Hillary story: http://www.hillaryclinton.com/about/
Hussain Obama's story: http://www.barackobama.com/learn/meet_ba...
As a Dem it is important for Elite Dem to understand, commoner will decide the election. It will be based on jobs, house payment, health insurance.
Also, it will be a war of attrition with the republicans. Race, gender, drug use, race baiting, achievements, etc. HRC has already taken her hits, Hussain has not experienced the slightest war scars.
People will vote on pocket book issue, soaring words will be beaten back to grounds.
Rhetorics above has no subtance.
Hussain needs to grow more backbone.
Iraq- Right about not going into war, then back tracks starting 2003
Iran- Absent during voting
Illinois legislator- Over 150 absent votes, in order to avoid taking any sides
This is Chief executive election, not preacher selection.
Mr. Obama is obviously perpetuating this notion and it's a sad day for the Democratic Party. To denigrate people who have spent decades dedicated to embettering black lives and championing black causes is disgusting.
If anytime someone criticises his voting record or points out that passing legislation takes experience in washington, they are acussed of racism, I think the backlash against Mr. Obama will be swift and hard. It will not help black people. It is terriby sad.
This coming from the man, who called Clinton the senator from the Punjab, and denegrated her experience as "drinking tea" (sexist).
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Clinton- Obama has changing position on Iraq after 2002 opposition.
Obama- Clinton is trying to rewrite history. Where is the denial
Hussain Obama- takes down 2002 speech from his website as he starts to run for US Senate in 2003
Hussain Obama- says he does not know how he would have voted in 2004. Apparently he did it to help Sen. Kerry. Where is the conviction?
Hussain Obama- Votes to fund Iraq war starting 2005. Where is the conviction
Iran resolution- Absent. Where in the strenght and conviction of the chieft executive
Obama- Senator Clinton is rewriting history (but I can not deny her charges)
Elite democrates- wake up to the reality, he is a preacher not a doer
Hussain has no backbone. And no achievement, it is a lethal combination.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=oq4uoIG-UyI
Another "speech" from Hussain Obama. Where is the substance?
JFK- War hero, 14 years legislative experience includng 6 year as senator with actual results
Bobby- Long history as legislator, senator, attorney general
MLK- Too many things to write about
Hussain Obama- http://www.barackobama.com/learn/meet_ba...
Look under "Political Career" of Obama. Six years in Illinois congress, 1 paragraph, 2 sentence to describe his great achievements :-)
In the same segment, 2 years in US Senate, 2 paragraph, lot of sentence with no concrete achievements. He sould have mentioned his achievement that Senator can not any longer eat with lobbist, unless they are standing up :-)
It is amazing, what he is getting away with. Republicans and corporate media will not let this guy get away with this once they get him as nominee.
"slbk"- Obama at least showing some backbone in going after Clinton with false accusations.
Before that he could not stand for anything, fight for anything.
Some progress, still no achievements.
What in the world is wrong with the Clintons? The stream of race-tinged nastiness coming from them and their supporters is unbelievable, and there's so much of it, it has to be deliberate and organized. Here's a name for what they're doing: Swiftbaiting.
There's a name for the psychology of people who were hostages and ended up identifying with their captors: the Stockholm Syndrome. The Clintons are taking an awful lot of lines out of Karl Rove's playbook.
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For those of you who still have not heard:
There is a WONDERFUL and INSPIRING music video on Youtube.com entitled "Obama Portrait Music Video by Bjarne O."
You can use the free downloaded high-quality stereo version from the composer's website in DVD form to show at house parties and fundraisers. Even people who knew nothing at all about Obama have been moved: either a thrilling introduction, or further inspiration for those of us who already know and fight for Obama.
The music soundtrack, which incorporates excerpts from the famous 2004 speech, can also be downloaded separately in high-quality.
It is an uplifting and informative campaign tool - so please, SPREAD THE WORD!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mCPwbozpIzM
YES WE CAN
Anne
What troubles me is that in the interview, Obama did not mention that the Strip caucuses are given far more delegates than an average neighborhood caucus would receive.
That's profoundly unfair...no matter who is the receipient of Culinary's endorsement. Of course, there was no publicity about the overweighted voting for the Strip caucuses until it was clear Obama could win them with the Culinary's help.
It's so unfair that I would have gladly been a plaintiff in this lawsuit. I'm just an average voter, yet the value of my vote is diminished by the Strip caucus structure.
Maybe I will go to a caucus on the Strip, rather than the one at my neighborhood school. It would be fun to take a video camera, and make a record of my being turned away because I don't work on the Strip.
Elite democrats like Follitics need to understand, words are not achievements.
Presenting an empty book to the republicans is not the smartest idea.
Claim- Clinton are race baiting
Proof- None.
Now that is Rove playbook. Good thing you are picking it up :-)
Fact: Hussain Obama smoked cracks, did not do anything in Illinois, did not do anything in Washington, does not have a backbone to stand on his Iraq war opposition, voted absent on Iran vote. Disproved any of it
Hussain Obama: Please watch this nice video of another "speech"- don't ask any questions
Denzel: I am a better actor that Hussain, only he writes his own lines, I am not good at that
This is presidential election, we are not electing speech writers
Why everything in America always end up with race? It is so sad.
Some say that the Clintons have done much for the blacks as if the blacks have done less for the Clintons.
The Clintons and the Bush don't own this country. It is time for new people. The time for Clintons is over: they got 8 years.
The time for Bush is over: they got 20 years/12 years.
Let move on.
Since the Clintons left the Whitehouse, the global economy has changed. As an economist I can assure you that America needs a new global image that only Obama can give.
Hillary nomination will not give the democrats the Whitehouse in November. She will unite the republicans as only a Clinton can. She is dividing us already.
The so-called 35 years of experience come with 35 years of dirt, unethical behaviors, shameful memories, and vengeful republicans. If you really think that this country needs all of that, then vote for the Clintons.
We need a new start for a better America. we need a new generation to clean up the mess. And Obama has what it takes to lead America.
The Clintons are providing Obama with great experience in that GOP specialty - dirty tricks.
Indeed. And it's the "seasoned experience" about which they say Obama does not have. THANK GOD I say to that. We finally have a candidate WITH REAL INTEGRITY. And for FACT CHECKS on the TRUTH about Obama which the status quo is trying to distort:
http://www.barackobama.com/index.php
hightlight LEARN, and click on KNOW the FACTS
It looks like the Clinton sleaze machine has sent it's internet operatives out all over the internet to attempt to cover up their lies.
Nevada voters don't fall for the lies of these people. Please vote Barack Obama.
Not only to cover up lies, but to invent them.
It is obvious WHY. Obama stands for the PEOPLE of America. The status quo stands for itself.
FACT: Barack Obama does NOT have to run a mudslinging campaign to make himself look better.
And those who do need to be seriously questioned as to their Ethics and Integrity.
They believe if you post it enough, it becomes true. This is the full blown corrupted Harry Reid Inc operatives--he and they are desperate.
The sleaze of the Clinton's is appalling, what a vile and vulgar couple.
More than half the party hates her, and that tells you she elects a GOP president in November.
ABC=Anybody but Clinton
Fact:
Obama campaign sent out the "Senator from Punjab" document and Obama accepted the responsibility
Obama campaign has sent out the race bating talking points to media
If the citizens of this country TRULY want America BACK and to take it forward towards a FUTURE we can ACTUALLY LOOK FORWARD TO, stand for Barack Obama. CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN and a
Leader WE CAN TRUST.
FACT CHECKS on OBAMA
http://www.barackobama.com/index.php
Highlight Learn and click on KNOW the FACTS
SeedofChange? More like Astroturf. Most of these the anti-Obama posts are from one sad person. Seedy, please take your racist attacks elsewhere. You're using Barack's middle name simply trying to fan anti-arab sentiment. It's pathetic, and the American people will see right through it. Yes, Barack Obama's father was muslim. He is not. Note how many DIFFERENT people are refuting your evil screed.
Cynical,
I'm sorry if the people of Nevada don't like how the Caucus votes are allocated. The fact is, you can't change the rules in the middle of the game. That's like Tom Brady saying he only needs 8 yards for a first down instead of 10. You can argue till you're blue in the face, but you just look silly. If you somehow convince the ref, everyone will see you as a whiny cheater. There's no winning this argument.
This is very simple:
HRC wants to elicit a perceived "race card" response by Obama.
It's got to tell you something that the two most notable endorsements of HRC have been from Karl Rove and Newt Gingrich.
Ya think they might be a little more scared of Obama??? hmmmm LOL
Jazmatician: The battle will be between Democrats and Republicans, not among democrats. Bless your good soul, but "fact" is Hussain Obama has to stand for himself.
Al Gore- most compentent vice president in US history. Turned into a lier that claimed to invent internet
John Kerry- war hero. Turned into a coward
Hussain Obama- empty shell with words. Look at the prospects. Can not stand for his own convictor on Iraq war. Absent from Iran vote.
What does he have other than words.
What I find THE MOST ludicrous about the LIE that Obama is a radical muslim is that just HOW could ANYONE BELIEVE that a radical muslim would be ALLOWED to run for President? It is juvenille, schoolyard behavior and mentality.
Barack Obama is OUR GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY and THEY KNOW IT. Well, I WANT my COUNTRY back and a future that I CAN look forward to - NOT one I dread. The STATUS QUO has GOT to go - it just AIN'T WORKIN - except for them, of course.
OBAMA WINS we ALL WIN.
FACT CHECKS on OBAMA
http://www.barackobama.com/index.php
Highlight Learn and click on KNOW the FACTS
What does OBAMA have other than words? The INTEGRITY to BACK IT UP.
From the FACT CHECK PAGE OF OBAMA
Ending the War in Iraq
Judgment You Can Trust: As a candidate for the United States Senate in 2002, Obama put his political career on the line to oppose going to war in Iraq, and warned of “an occupation of undetermined length, with undetermined costs, and undetermined consequences.” Obama has been a consistent, principled and vocal opponent of the war in Iraq:
In 2003 and 2004, he spoke out against the war on the campaign trail;
In 2005, he called for a phased withdrawal of our troops;
In 2006, he called for a timetable to remove our troops, a political solution within Iraq, and aggressive diplomacy with all of Iraq's neighbors;
In January 2007, he introduced legislation in the Senate to remove all of our combat troops from Iraq by March 2008.
In September 2007, he laid out a detailed plan for how he will end the war as president.
Iran
The Problem: Iran has sought nuclear weapons, supports militias inside Iraq and terror across the region, and its leaders threaten Israel and deny the Holocaust. But Obama believes that we have not exhausted our non-military options in confronting this threat; in many ways, we have yet to try them. That's why Obama stood up to the Bush administration's warnings of war, just like he stood up to the war in Iraq.
Opposed Bush-Cheney Saber Rattling: Obama opposed the Kyl-Lieberman amendment, which says we should use our military presence in Iraq to counter the threat from Iran. Obama believes that it was reckless for Congress to give George Bush any justification to extend the Iraq War or to attack Iran. Obama also introduced a resolution in the Senate declaring that no act of Congress – including Kyl-Lieberman – gives the Bush administration authorization to attack Iran.
Diplomacy: Obama is the only major candidate who supports tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions. Now is the time to pressure Iran directly to change their troubling behavior. Obama would offer the Iranian regime a choice. If Iran abandons its nuclear program and support for terrorism, we will offer incentives like membership in the World Trade Organization, economic investments, and a move toward normal diplomatic relations. If Iran continues its troubling behavior, we will step up our economic pressure and political isolation. Seeking this kind of comprehensive settlement with Iran is our best way to make progress.
FACT CHECKS on OBAMA
http://www.barackobama.com/index.php
Highlight Learn and click on KNOW the FACTS
seedofchange: one, the spelling is Hussein, not Hussain, you show your ignorance and discourtesy by not spelling it correctly. two, Hussein is Baracks middle name, if he chose to go by his middle name (as some do) fine, but since he doesn't you should show some respect by using his given name. three, your highlighting his middle name is nothing more than playing up to anti-Arab bigotry and you should be ashamed of that. So that is 3 strikes against you and as such you are not worthy of being paid attention to by anyone.
Iran- Obama was absent. He did not have the courage to vote against it
Iraq- He was right in 2002. In 2003, he took down his 2002 speech. 2004, 2005, 2006, he voted for funding while Kucinich and other people of conviction were voting against it
Please state the facts as they are. We are entitled to our opinion, not facts.
Partial Fact: Obama campaign sent out the "Senator from Punjab" document and Obama accepted the responsibility.
More Fact:
A junior Obama campaign staffer sent this to a reporter privately. When this happened (last summer) Obama held a "Come to Jesus" meeting with his staffers to determine who sent it, and let them know in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS it was against his vision for this campaign. Nothing of the sort has come out since. This was not an official campaign document (released without senior staff approval and as "not for attribution"), but it leaked to the Hillary camp and THEY released it.
Here are links with numerous stories for more information:
http://www.blogrunner.com/snapshot/D/0/5...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/1...
and did you read where Obama said that while Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Susan B. Anthony, Matilda Joslyn Gage and Ida Husted Harper did good work moving along womens suffrage it was actually Woodrow Wilson and the men in the house and senate who deserve equal respect for passing the 19th amendment? No, you didn't hear about this, well, it is not surprising since Obama would not be anywhere stupid enough to say it.
Hillary could have made the exact same point if she had used my analogy above and few would have been offended, most people though would find the analogy ridiculous because the woman suffragists do deserve the bulk of the credit and that the passing of the 19th amendment was a long overdue redress. Woodrow Wilson and the men in Congress had simply succumbed to the rightness of the women's cause. The same is true with MLK and LBJ. How is it the Hillary supporters do not see this elemental truth? She made a mistake, admit it and move on and be forgiven.
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This is very simple:
HRC wants to elicit a perceived "race card" response by Obama.
It's got to tell you something that the two most notable endorsements of HRC have been from Karl Rove and Newt Gingrich.
Ya think they might be a little more scared of Obama??? hmmmm LOL
Clinton is DESPERATELY attempting to pull Obama down into a mudslinging campaign. It's as plain as the nose on your face. She won't do it. It is not within his nature. Obama is a man of high principles and integrity. And yes, the status quo is afraid of Obama because his plan is to change the status quo FOR the PEOPLE.
What did Clinton said that was racist? None. Stating MLK needed a partner in LBJ is not racist. When Obama campaign starts calling it racist then it becomes racist
Calling on Obama about his changing actions on Iraq war is a "fairy tale". President Clinton did not call his candidacy a "fairy tale". So, why is it out there unless someone is insinuating it.
FACT CHECKS on OBAMA
http://www.barackobama.com/index.php
Highlight Learn and click on KNOW the FACTS
PS. Obama is NOT Muslim. And I will repeat what I posted previously.
What I find THE MOST ludicrous about the LIE that Obama is a radical muslim is that just HOW could ANYONE BELIEVE that a radical muslim would be ALLOWED to run for President? It is juvenille, schoolyard behavior and mentality.
Barack Obama is OUR GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY and THEY KNOW IT. Well, I WANT my COUNTRY back and a future that I CAN look forward to - NOT one I dread. The STATUS QUO has GOT to go - it just AIN'T WORKIN - except for them, of course.
OBAMA WINS we ALL WIN.
"lvdream"- This is republican attack.
I am not part of this.
I thought Obama was all about working together and partnership.
Then, why can't we say MLK and LBJ were parters in good deed?
Why can't we say Wilson and faminist movements were partners?
What part of that would be offensive to anyone
Hilary has accepted the most amount of money of any senator in congress. Obama does not accept any money from lobbyists. He raises his cash from the People! Hilary Can't Make all the changes she wants because she has been bought off. Obama is the canidate we need.
"New Yorker", Obama's New Hampshire campaign manager is lobbyist.
Believing in words is good, but fact checking is important as well
Roberta -
I suggest you repost your comment without your address and telephone number attached. I appreciate your interest in open debate, but you're asking for abuse by doing that.
Once you repost, you can request your original post be removed.
At one of the debates Joe Biden was asked a question about accusations that he has made comments that were insulting to African-Americans. Every Democrat on that stage - including Obama and Edwards, leaped to Biden's defense. Look at the situation today. Obama in a not-so-subtle campaign (internal memos) and the jackal Edwards joining in the phony accusations, are fanning the flames of false, terrible accusations against Bill and Hillary Clinton. A bell cannot be un-rung. It is not the Clinton's who have rung that bell, it is an unbelievable display of paranoia on the part of some, diabolical distortion by some, and the regrettable ignorance of history by some, that have created a terrible division in the Democratic Party, and probably in the country at large. Thanks to Donna Brzille, Rep. Clyburn, Jesse Jackson, Jr., pundits and MSM all over the map who even misquote to rachet up the story, and most especially Barack Obama and John Edwards. I am a life-long Democrat, but now I will not vote for anyone but Hillary Clinton in November. I cannot reward anyone who stoops so low as to falsely accuse an innocent person of appealing to racism; it's the same as falsely accusing someone of rape. I am sure there are many African-Americans who say the same about not voting for anyone but Obama. In my opinion the Obama forces, with the help of the jackal Edwards, have insured the election of John McCain as the 44th President of the United States.
Factcheck for Clinton's Statements. Take a look and decide for yourselves.
http://factcheck.barackobama.com/
Obama supporters seem to be obsessed with statements and speeches. They can not deny the fact that Obama took down his 2002 speech from his site as he started to run for US Senate. They can not deny he voted to fund for the war while people of conviction like Kucinich voted "with their conviction"
There is nothing believable about Obama's "inaction". Good thing at least he is doing something now.
How is it that Hillary is the only one on the Michigan ballot; voter disenfranchisement? Hell NO! You get to vote for Clinton.If the lawyers get there way we can get Obama off the Nevada ballot and end this mess.
Here is a good, objective article that addresses many of the Clintons' attacks on Barack:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/91755/page/1
And a surprisingly insightful piece written by a conservative columnist about why Obama's supposed lack of experience doesn't matter as much as the Clintons would have you believe:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/18/opinio...
It's time to transcend the divisiveness that the Clintons and the status quo of both parties seem content to perpetuate. Obama has a real chance of leading this country in that direction.
God bless the elite democrats good soul.
Believing in corporate media and conservatives like David Brooks is not very good idea. These same people will tear down Obama if he becomes the nominee.
America is devided because there is different philosophy, they are all over the place, and that is our strength. We are not fighting each other with guns.
By the way, what happened to Obama's call to Kenya's political parties for peace?
God bless all good hearted people in America. But this election will be about peoples job, their house, their healthcare and education.
Zero experience and achievement will not cut
His name is not "Hussain". His name is Barack Hussein Obama. Anyone trying to use his middle name to taint his potential as president is very off in their political tactics. You should refer to him by his common name, Barack Obama. If your name were "Seeds Of Change" would we call you "Of"?
Think about it:
If Obama were to play Clinton's game, he could just as easily accuse her of flip-flopping on the Iraq issue: First she voted for authorization (without even having read all of the intelligence on Iraq's WMD, I might add) and continually voted to fund the war, but then all of a sudden she stops voting to fund it and now she wants to pull the troops out before they complete their mission? What a flip flopper!
But of course, he's not saying that because he doesn't resort to cheap tricks that oversimplify and distort his opponents' positions.
Obama flipped and flopped on Iraq
Clinton flipped on Iraq :-) Smart people flip with changing situation. People without backbone flip and flop
Obama was absent for Iran vote
Clinton stood her ground about Iran being a terrorist country
seedofchange, your vitriol for Obama is scary, take a chill pill already. As for Kenya, if you're so interested, see below. My guess is that you don't even know the Kenyan president's name nor the opposition leader's name, so please don't try to call out Barack on this issue. You look kinda silly trying.
From Joe Klein, 1/7/08: One of the more extraordinary stories of the Obama campaign has been playing out behind the scenes over the past week as the candidate has been working on a daily basis to try to calm things down in his father's homeland and his grandmother's home, Kenya, where a contested election has led to riots.
On January 1, two days before the Iowa caucuses, Obama left a message for Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. According to Robert Gibbs, Obama's Communications Director, Rice called back "as we were driving from Sioux City to Council Bluffs on January 1. They talked about the situation and Rice asked Obama to tape a Voice of America message calling for calm." Obama taped the message on January 2, after a rally in Davenport, Iowa. He said, in part:
"Despite irregularities in the vote tabulation, now is not the time to throw that strong democracy away. Now is a time for President Kibaki, opposition leader Odinga, and all of Kenya’s leaders to call for calm, to come together, and to start a political process to address peacefully the controversies that divide them. Now is the time for this terrible violence to end.
Kenya’s long democratic journey has at times been difficult. But at critical moments, Kenyans have chosen unity and progress over division and disaster. The way forward is not through violence – it is through democracy, and the rule of law. To all of Kenya’s people, I ask you to renew Kenya’s democratic tradition, and to seek your dreams in peace."
On January 3, the day of the caucuses, he had a conversation with Bishop Desmond Tutu, who had flown to Nairobi to see if he could begin negotiations with the factions. In the days since his Iowa victory, Obama has had near-daily conversations with the U.S. Ambassador in Kenya or with opposition leader Raila Odinga. As of late this afternoon, before his rally in Rochester, N.H., Obama was trying to reach Kenyan President Kibaki.
I haven't been able to talk to Obama directly about this--he is sort of busy right now--but it does seem noteworthy that, in the midst of the most amazing week of his life, Barack Obama has found the time to do a some diplomatic scut-work. I suspect we'll be seeing a lot of this sort of thing if he wins the nomination and is elected President.
Yes, our diversity has great potential to be our strength - that is what Obama's candidacy is all about. Diversity is different than divisiveness, which aims to pit people against each other rather than find common ground. Obama is about inclusiveness, which brings out the best aspects of our diversity and can lead to real progress in the issues that affect our lives. Divisiveness usually leads to an escalation of negativity and distortion, precluding any real progress. Case in point: eight years of George W Bush in the White House.
What did Obama achieved in Kenya?
Nothing. As the article from corporate media point out.
Chilling suits Obama, not commoner like me :-)
Elites and their obsession with Obama is very strange as well.
"billyb": George's slogan / words were "uniting the country" and "compssionate conservative".
Actions matter, words are empty.
If there is no proof of achieving a goal of uniting the country, don't believe in it.
SeedsofChange: While I generally share your skepticism towards the corporate media and generally want to knock some sense into David Brooks' head, it seems that you are content to regurgitate hearsay and the oversimplified, distorted "facts" coming out of Clinton's war room.
Well, if you bothered to read about his actual accomplishments, first as a community activist, then as a state senator, then as a US senator, it would be pretty clear to see that much of his success has been rooted in bringing people together.
Comparing Obama's candidacy to Bush's doesn't hold up, especially when considering the dirty tricks he pulled on McCain after New Hampshire in 2000. Obama has shown himself to be above that kind of campaigning, while the Clintons have gleefully jumped right into it, taking pages out of Rove's playbook.
Obama website :http://www.barackobama.com/learn/meet_barack.php lists his achievements, particularly under "political career". It is almost scary, how empty it is.
If they think there is a laundry list that has been tucked away somewhere, they should at least put a link to that laundry list.
"Seed of Change," you can keep spamming but it doesn't make anyone believe any more of your lies. Clinton is lying about Obama's record on the war. In 2004, while supporting Kerry who voted for the war, he stated that things might have been different if he access to the NIE (which HILLARY DIDN'T READ), but that from his point of view the case for invading Iraq had not been made. He did vote to continue funding once we were in the mess, because what are you going to do, pull support from the troops? Clinton also lied again about his "present" votes in the senate yesterday. Those votes were either part of a broader legislative strategy (i.e. the votes on abortion were coordinated with Planned Parenthood in response to bills the Republicans were planning to use to smear democratic candidates), or they were protest votes for bills he supported in principle but thought were unconstitutional or badly written. Many times he was the only person to not vote "yes." That takes political courage. And I think it's clear to Nevada voters that Clinton is also lying about her little voter-suppression lawsuit.
But if the gloves are really off, then here are some things I can say about Clinton that are 100% true: Monica Lewinsky, Paula Jones, bimbo eruptions, Vince Foster, Travelgate, Whitewater, voted for the Iraq war, voted for the Iran resolution. How about that?
I don't like Barack Hussein Obama one bit.
He is a liar and a fraud.
Barack "I was against the war before I was for it"
He is a disgrace.
Mr. Coolican,
Your sixth paragraph you write of "...America's Jim Crow past...". Would it not be more accurate to write "the Democratic Party's Jim Crow past"?
Republicans spend over 100 million and found nothing on Bill and Hillary other than Bill's indiscretion.
So, what does gloves off mean and what are the facts?
Starting from Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, FDR, JFK, older Bush, all of them had so called indiscretion. So, what is the point in that discussion.
If true, Obama may be good political tactician based his absent votes. How does that make him a exceptional person?
More importantly, what did he achieve out of his political tactics?
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I don't hate Hillary. I actually respect her. But I don't think that she is the right candidate. The republicans will do to her what they did to Kerry. They will say she flip flopped on the war. After all, she did vote for the war, while Obama was opposed to it from the start. (the fact that he voted for more funding to protect our troops who were already there, shows he is a patriot and not that he changed his position).
Moreover, Clinton's political style in the last few months is unfortunatly turning off allot of voters. I think that these voters will go to the republicans.
So let's stand behind Obama, he can really win. And let's thank the clintons for what they have done for us in the past. And let us realize that hillary is not a viable candidate.
Factcheck on Obama present votes. By the way, those "present" votes represent less than 2% out of about 4000 votes during his tenure as a State Senator.
http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck2/20...
Scroll down to the January 08, 2008 entry.
SeedofChicago: You are making racist, xenophobic and purely hyper-conservative Republican statements beyond reason, factual basis, or decorum. You may be seed of Chicago, but you neither learned nor grew there. Be gone you odious befouler of truth.
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Newsweek already took care of the baseless church allegations:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/91424
Dear me. Not only should what happens in Vegas stay in Vegas, but perhaps you bile-laced, hate-filled, myopic, emotionally diseased victims of your own shallow and callous cultureless city should also remain entombed therein, forever. The rest of the country is relieved at how few electoral votes you control and suddenly rethinking the whole Yucca Mountain dealio.
WoW ! I can not believe i live in a town with so many racists or Ann Coulter clonies...For those of you supporting Barack Obama, keep your head held high. I may disagree with some of his or some of HIllarys Positions, but some of these comments or indicative of why we need change
Annoyed at people who keep calling Barack Obama "Hussein Obama."
Yes, that's his middle name. My middle name is Allan. Hillary Clinton's middle name is Diane. Are we to start calling her Diane Clinton? Maybe it'd help her poll numbers, you never know.
Girly_Girl; I read your comments and find myself wondering if, perhaps, mysogyny isn't such a bad thing after all.
Ignore the spin and attempts at division. Barack's vision and specific plans on the pressing issues affecting the country can be found here (Ensure you download, print and share the Blueprint for Change):
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
"Republican will do what they did to Kerry"- the unknown character to the American.
Every American's know Hillary and the scars she bears. It will be a 51-49 election and those who have won twice before can be trusted more than inexperienced novice
Obama is the empty book for Republicans to write on.
I have nothing to do with the over the top comments
For a lot of us it has become very obvious that these so-called “gaffes” are part of a campaign. Andrew Young, Andrew Cuomo, Billy Shaheen, Robert Johnson and, above all, Bill Clinton, keep coming up with these outbound missles and then the “apologies”, “plank walking” and “denials” start. Repeat the big “lie” often enough and hopefully someone will start to believe it, is the motto, I guess.
Either this is one stupid campaign with a rudderless ship or they’re running a clumsy attempt to inject not only race but a terminal “whine” into this race. John Edwards said it best over the weekend.
Now we’ve got Mark Penn’s firm, Burson-Marsteller, having links all over the place to firms like Blackwater, the tobacco industry and a firm that supplies uniforms to hotels in Las Vegas that won’t let the union organize. The Culinary Union endorse Obama and several Clinton operatives throgh the local NEA affiliate sue to prevent precints in the hotels and casinos that we’re agreed upon months ago by the state Democratic Party and the DNC. See link below to Mark Penn’s firm, Burson Marsteller and Mark Penn himself from sourcewatch.org
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?tit... eller
and Clinton’s campaign guru, Mark Penn, principal in the above firm here.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?tit...
Fairness dictates that I state that the Clinton’s have a right to have anyone on staff that they choose, but they do bear the consequencs of their saffers and friends actions. If I were a Las Vegas union member right now, I’d be looking long and hard at Barack Obama and John Edwards as the prima facie evidence is that Senator Clinton is no friend of labor and possibly the African-American voter as well. Stay tuned
All of you talking about qualifications.
What was Bush's qualifications when he was elected?
How many businesses did he have to have bailed out that he was in control of?
Now someone has to bail out the U.S.
Think about it.
Question 1: How exceptionally stupid would the Clintons have to be
to be guilty as charged?
Answer: Unbelievably Exceptionally stupid.
Question 2: If it were indeed possible for the Clintons to believe they could make, and, actually secretly did make 'coded' racist remarks - would we be discussing it?
Answer: No. Obviously not, if it was Secret - we would know nothing about it.
Question 3: Does it Benefit the Clintons to be accused of racism?
Answer: No.
Question 5: Is it possible for reasonable unbiased people to easily perceive Bill or Hillary Clinton's remarks as racist?
Answer: No
Question 4: Who does it Benefit?
Answer: Barack Obama.
Question 5: Since the accusations Benefit Obama just prior to the South
Carolina elections is it reasonable to conclude the accusations are coming from Obama supporters, Obama surrogates, Obama campaign staffers; some or all of the above?
Answer: Yes.
Question 5: Should reasonable responsible voters Allow anyone to drag race or gender into the election debate?
Answer: No. Drop it. End of Story.
Hillary's smear tactics are very disapppointing. It's become clear that she will do whatever it takes to win the nomination. As a Latino who supported the Clintons in the 90s, I cannot support Hillary now.
Let's not forget to discuss bigotry in it's other forms, okay?
1) Why did the Obama campaign play the rap song "99 Problems But the Bitch Ain't One" at his victory party the night he defeated Clinton in the Iowa primary?
2) Why did Obama campaign in South Carolina with an anti-gay homophobe named Donnie McClurkin who thinks that gay people are possessed by demons? Why did Obama never apologize for what was an insult to the LGBT community?
If Obama is going to point an accusing finger at others, and campaign on a platform of change and hope, then why has he surrounded himself with people who have the same old bigoted views?
And one more question: How could Michelle Obama, a Harvard educated woman with 2 young daughters, allow the type of music that degrades women to be anywhere around her or her husband's campaign?
Or are you going to give him a pass on this, too?
Obama campaign has mastered the art of smear from Carl Rove and right wing media.
If you ask them why Clinton's bring up race issue? How does it benefit them? They will not answer the question. They will just repeat same line of lies
South Carolina apparently is Obama's next target and therefore race baiting has started.
Latino's will support Hillary, they will not support an empty suit. Postings claiming people to be Hispanics are another good trick from Obama campaign.
Goodness, Seedofchange, you have been a busy, busy boy (I'm guessing there). By my count, you've been on the keyboard all morning. Sort of like a video game -- they're coming at you from all directions, and you're hitting right back at all of 'em.
Trouble is, you've done a pretty good job of revealing yourself in the process. Republican. Not a great speller. Big on insults, not so big on Deep Thought. The persistent anti-Arab smears are special clues to the way your mind works.
Ever think that you're doing Obama a huge favor by provoking so many of his supporters to write in his defense? I'm not from Nevada, but right now, based only on this blog, I'd say he'll win it in a walk. Sure reads that way.
Take a break for lunch, SOC. You earned it.
Again, what did Hillary say that was racist? Please quote it. MLK and LBJ being parters in a good deed, does not diminish either of them.
MLK will be the shining star in shaping America.
Obama will be the empty suit that he is
"Boy"- that tells the real color of an Obama supporter does it not?
What I see is Barack Obama going out to tell people the message, the issues, the real stuff.
And People is responding, people is showing confidence in themselves and show excitement in participating in politics.
Obama looks great!!
Clinton looks grim, uninspired, angry, and she talks a lot about Obama. She looks concerned about Obama surge.
I am independent and I feel like I go for Obama.
Right now the Clinton house looks to me like a sinking boat.
I am not in that boat... how about you?
Hillary eats burritos and tacos, good for her, I like them also!!... we agree in food, but...
in case you care to know:
I am latino USA....
I support Obama 100%
Hippie-aged baby boom generation leadership has failed miserably in the past 15 years. It has resulted in scandal, impeachment, war, greed, polarity, evisceration of the middle class, inflation, loss of jobs, and it has left a mountain of debt for younger generations.
A generation that lived by the creed "don't trust anyone over 30" has indeed proven their own prophecy. The boomers, in particular the hippie generation, have failed to deliver a candidate that measures up, and politically have failed miserably in old age. Hillary, Bill, Bush, they all contribute to the same sad depressing state of affairs that afflicts this divided county.
Let's be clear, Bill Clinton benefited from a breakthrough technology with the computer industry, as groundbreaking as the light bulb or telegraph. He just happened to be there when it happened, but Herbert Hoover or Jimmy Carter would have looked good in the '90s. Clinton is a Machiavellian character, a focus group watcher and a miscreant. He took special interest fund raising to an art form. Hillary is cut from the same cloth. There's not enough space to analyze Bush and his spending (1 trillion dollar war) or how Bush has turned us into a fearful nation of bed-wetters, easily distracted by non-events like "swift boat" and Hillary's tears. We've become pathetic, Wall Mart shopping simpletons. Both these families (Bushes, Clintons) are weird and America is not a monarchy for the ill-begotten.
It's time the younger generations fight for a candidate that can at least change the mentally ill political culture that the baby boom generation has cultivated, while they deal with the crap storm of debt they'll be inheriting.
seed of change is Darryl from other blogs
A Clinton troll -- just another reason why the Clinton campaign is so flawed (if these are the talking point the campaign feeds their trolls)
Ignore him - he will pop up again under another name -- but you can recognize the poison
Stay Positive
Obama '08
4 years of Bush
4 years of Clinton
4 years of Clinton
4 years of Bush
4 years of Bush
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20 years and only 2 families in the WH
do you really want more of the same stuff?
we are in the third millenium... what is the fear with going ahead fresh anew?
Is America wanting to go backwards?
Not me!!!... I LOVE AMERICA
No fear of the NEW
How about you?
Do you LOVE America?
Vote for
the one that has a Family,
the one that has Hope,
the one that has Integrity,
the one that shows LOVE,
the one that has Vision,
the one that doesn't lie,
the one that has high ethic standards,
the one that cares!
the one that has JUDGEMENT!!!
the one able to gather the best team we need!
the man that LOVES America,
Vote for Obama!!
This article also reminds me of Bill's comments in NH that Obama is too young and inexperienced to be president. Isn't this the same clod who sat in Air Force One at LAX getting a $10,000 haircut whilst holding up air traffic for almost two hours? This happened during his first week in the White House...when Bubba was 44.
You may not be aware but John Edwards' presence is slowly seeping into the American consciousness. And for good reason.
Clinton and Obama are fighting, fighting, fighting. Tearing the party apart.
John Edwards is calmly, firmly stating his positions. They are worth checking out.
As Ezra Klein writes in The American Prospect:
"Much more so than Obama, it was Edwards who forced a new style of politics, untethered by the fear and timidity of the 90s,adamant that liberalism was an electoral boon and economic justice a popular sentiment. Knowing they had to defend against his challenge, both Hillary and Obama edged closer to his appeal.
"It left the Democrats in a much stronger position overall, and forced them to argue for, and commit to, a much broader and more inspiring agenda than we otherwise might have seen."
http://blog.johnedwards.com/
Girly_girl said-I don't like Barack Hussein Obama one bit.
He is a liar and a fraud.
Barack "I was against the war before I was for it"
He is a disgrace.
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Girly,the only disgrace is Bill Clinton.
(1)Jennifer Flowers was his mistress
2)Paula Jones-He sexually harassed her.She sued him,but he SETTLED out of court.
3)Monica Lewisy-She was a naive young woman.He had her do all kinds of degrading things to satisfy his sexual needs,including using a cigar for whatever.
He DISGRACED the whitehouse and the COUNTRY!!Now,why in the world would "ANY" WOMAN want to see him in the whitehouse,again,with the possibility of him seducing someone else's daughter?
Forgotten in this whole mess is the campaign of John Edwards who has been ignored by the media, except for the economists, who have backed him for months. If you're worried about the economy he's your man. Both Hillary and Obama have copied his ideas and have gotten a free ride for that. Hillary's new commercial basically steals his line about hearing the voices of the poor and middle class. Where was this months ago? And if Obama changes his speech pattern one more time depending on his audience, he can officially be labeled as having a multiple personality disorder. Both of their campaigns have become so superficial, so divisive, that bringing the Democrats together will be a chore, nevermind the country.
Obama has a history of making bad choices....check out his background and judge him only on "his" actions. The country must see through the hype.....hope will not change our country....
The first candidate who brought us health care and fiscal responsibility....the one man who has the courage, fire, vision, and the character to bring OUR COUNTRY back to the people.
John Edwards for President.......feel the momentum
There is a scary thing happening in America. The republicans are supporting and defending Hillary: Karl Rove, Newt Gingrich, Rauch Limbaugh, the talking head of Fox news to just name a few. Is this love or a change of hearts? No no. The republicans love it! Why? They know that Hillary is a far easier opponent for the republicans in November. When the vultures begin to gather around a prey
The Clintons know that injecting race in this race will only hurt Obama. What they forget or miscalculate is that hurting Obama will hurt Clintons in their quest for the Whitehouse.
Clintons were nice when they thought Obama will not be a viable opponent. Once they were surprise by his performance in Iowa, and NH. For the first time the Clintons found themselves corned by reality, so they opted for the politics of destructions. Their pride is greater than the unity of the Democratic Party. John Kerry has learned the hard way: “The Clintons care only about power and themselves”.
The Hillary and the Republicans
Senator Clinton, on a winning position,
Held in her hands the NH victory,
Master Republicans, by the odor attracted,
Held her with almost this language:
"Well hello, Senator Clinton.
You are so pretty! You seem to me beautiful!
Without lying, if your speech
Is comparable to your experience,
You are the Phoenix of the Democrats."
At these words, the Hillary was overcome with joy;
And to show his beautiful speech,
He opened her mouth wide, insert race in the race and
dropped the presidency.
The Republican seized it, and said: "My good Senator,
Learn that every Divisive person
Lives at the expense of those who listen to him.
This lesson is well worth the US presidency without doubt."
The Senator, ashamed and embarrassed,
Swore, but a little late, that she would never be taken again.
But it was too late. a republican president was elected again.
a judge ruled Kucinich MUST participate in the debate tomorrow night - ot he will stop the debate
So Kucinich is in--
Good
Should Clinton win the nomination, I think Democrats will look back and realize we made the worse judgement call in history. We have a stellar candidate for the first time in decades and we may allow him to slip into the Clinton's disgusting hit pit. Obama, I'm with you til the bitter end. I want Ethical change.
to Seeds of Change and others offering sly inferences meant to hurt Sen. Obama's campaign -- inferences blatantly based on racial and relgious misinformation: Hussein is the spelling; it is Sen Obama's GRANDFATHER'S name, the same grandfather who lived in Kenya, was an African national and whose son was Sen. Obama's father. Mr. Obama left Sen. Obama's mother and her child when the senator was two years old. He saw his father once after that.
However, I wonder why you and others who sound so much alike and post so many similar scurrilous posts use the same website as reference for what you claim to be factual negative track record items.
As a paid blogger (not in politics) and as a journalist, I wonder if you and others who sound so much alike are paid bloggers. I suspect this to be true. I know you don't mind putting forth racist complaints against this candidate. What else does this format allow you to spit through the bandwidths?
As for Hillary Clinton, every woman I know swears they will never vote for her. Perhaps those of us who fought on the tough front lines of feminism see her as less than the feminist she portends to be.
Frankly, she sounds Like Bush and his cabinet to me. Let's take a breather and vote for someone fresh, someone who understands diplomacy and pragmatism. And knows the difference between a "not present" vote and a no vote.
Wonder what Bin Ladn thinks of a candidate who weeps, whines and shows nothing like real formidable strength -- the kind that comes from strength of character? A woman, a mom, a veteran, a hardworking tough truth loving journalist who knows what it takes to make real changes. JMB
I like Kucinich in the debate!!!
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My best scenario:
Barack Obama, President of the U.S.A:
John Edwards, Vicepresident.
What a team!!!
I like that!!
Judging from all the similar anti Hillary messages above it's easy to tell the Union leaders are hard at work getting their minions to post on here.
Keep it up with your divisiveness and help the Republicans win in November. Then see how much help you'll get from the GOP.
Nada, Zip,Zero!
I am alarmed at the hatred displayed in these comments..As a woman, I am very angry at the sexist remarks made by pundits such as msnbc Chris Mathews towards hillary and other women, the sexist remarks from Rush such as saying we will not want to watch hillary get old on TV, from hannity and his hateful remarks day afer day, from the hateful remarks from the media, and the distasteful remarks I heard from a group of men standing outside the post office last week..They were belittling all women when I heard them say. "no woman can run this country,,They are only good for one thing and not even good at that"..They were laughing and snickering".. Now that makes me very very angry and Im not apt to forget that if any of them show up as any of my patients..
Hillary Clinton clearly beats all of her Democratic rivals on issues, which is why her rivals have to resort to demagoguery for votes. The Obama crew and those who are endorsing Obama know very well that they are trying to distort Hillary’s comments about the Civil Rights Act. What Obama’s campaign is not realizing is that most people are not as gullible, racist and superficial as the Obama campaign wants them to be when they vote. Clinton will bring REAL change to all communities. To suggest that the Clintons are racist is simply ludicrous. The Clintons have done more to preserve the lives of ALL minorities than Obama could ever do. We can’t eat hope. The Obama crew is playing games. People need to know that Hillary Clinton was absolutely right in her Civil Rights statement, and there is nothing sensitive or emotional about what she said. If Lyndon Johnson didn’t pass that Civil Rights Act there would be none. Why do you think Dr. King took his speech to Washington D.C.? She did NOT disregard MLK in ANY way, she pointed out that Johnson was responsible for IMPLEMENTING Dr. King’s dream! How is that racist? If black people let Jesse Jackson, a man who has done absolutely nothing for black people, tell them how to vote then black people are accepting a complacent, superficial stance in America. Black New Yorkers threw all their support behind David Dinkins and look at the mess he made in New York City. People must take away emotions and petty nonsense from their decision making. Vote for the candidate that will put food on your table and not for the next black face who sells you the Brooklyn Bridge. Once Hillary gets the opportunity to debate Obama on issues without media distortions and the distortions and demagoguery of the so-called black people, black voters will choose Hillary Clinton. We have work to do. We have an education gap to close and jobs to fill. We want a leader that is ready to lead on day one, not an orator. If Mexican people let the Union decide whom they vote for, they are completely wasting their vote on the rhetoric of “hope.” Clinton has stayed true to her campaign, regardless of the endless attacks. Hillary has been incredibly gracious, to say the least, during her campaign. Anyone who doesn’t see her as the best candidate for President is blinded by their own bigotry. The best hope for the shrinking middle class had better pin their hopes on Hillary Clinton who has the background to make the right decisions the first time. Certainly, Obama is charismatic and could be a great president SOME DAY. However, he will not be able to withstand the onslaught and scrutiny of the republican political machine. With Clinton, we have yet another Bush clone….who wants that???
Hillary's behavior these past couple of months have been absolutely appalling-from her comments about Obama to her weeping moment in New Hampshire. One only has to wonder if this election is about her or the voters? Up until her win in NH her message has been about her questionable(New York Times raised the issue)of 35 yrs experience. Well, what is this experience? she has never chosen to explain it. Clinton and her surrogates have made a concerted effort to tear down Obama. I can certainly understand peoples doubts about Obama, but considering his cross-party appeal to independents and young voters, i am sold on his candidacy. When i see how Hillary behaves it just turns me the hell off. She is too divisive and polarizing to win in a general election. She is the same culprit who supported Bush's war, the same war that has drained crucial resources that could of helped Nevada. Her negatives are too high, and some in the democratic party are starting worry about her electability. Obama, however, is a fresh face with new ideas, he has a deep understanding of the world community. Nevada voters should really, really reconsider voting for Sen.Clinton on 1/19. There is too much at stake for all of us and i want to win in November. Remember before Hillary was a democrat she was a Barry Goldwater girl, a goldwater girl, people!!!!...lol
Hillary and her supporters have filed a bogus lawsuit against the Culinary Union- which is an concerted effort to suppress the black and latino vote. I mean, there is just a fundamental lack of respect for minorities from the Clinton campaign. Black and Latinos are the backbone of the democratic party, so why are the Clintons, party officials, and the teachers union trying to stifle the black and latino vote?
To the unreal Obama supporters and the Union leaders---BOO HOO, evrybody is picking on you. Poor things, The big bad lady and her campaign has hurt your feelings.
WILKNS: I guess you are use to the status-quo...LOL. Wake up! the only thing hillary is concerned about is power and your false sense of support only reaffirms that power. You would be doing this country a great disservice by voting for her.
Girlygirl:
What has he lied about? Nothing...
You have to take that ENTIRE quote in context...but you won't, because you want to smear a man of integrity to fit your own agenda...
Barack Obama has more integrity than all the Republican candidates put together! I truly hope he wins...
Sarah~:)
Nation of Islam?
Louis Farrakhan?
Black Power?
Check out Barack Hussein's churches website www.tucc.org
While there, check out their magazine on the left links. Trumpet Magazine http://www.trumpetmag.com
Notice the honorable and empowering Louis Farrakhan on the cover.
this guy is bad bad news people. WAKE UP! We can't afford the kind of change Barrack Hussein Osama, Reverend Wright,
and Louis Farrakhan want to bring us. Wright says America deserved the 9/11 attacks because of their racism.
Louis Farrakhan says the same thing and Barack Hussein is only best friends with both.
Farrakhan on his buddy running for president: "If avoiding me would help him to become president,
I'd be glad to stay in the background".
Sources:
http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/Obama_Chu...
http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=2937953
http://www.trumpetmag.com/home.cfm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZXeNk7H3...
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/ko...
It's all facts. WAKE UP!!
this is a very entertaining string of entries. i'm not to support any one candidate here, but wanna ask if anyone has seen this video on google about hillary's funding for Senate in 2000. peter paul is still working to open this case-- i cannot vote for hillary in good conscience, though a woman president would be interesting-- jus not this woman-- i admire that she does not usually use notes and so is sure on her position when she speaks-- but as some have spoken earlier. hers is a game and she is a good actress, and it does seem she loves children, but she rides on this wave with a corrupt undercurrent. she is not honest. she Should have done time like martha stewart-- not to hate on hillary-- but she is not above the law and i hate that she and her peeps circumvented indictment.
search google video with words: hillary peter paul
or copy this:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...
Look at the candidates and make up your own mind. Don't let the media control the votes. Both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have taken an incredible amount of money from corporations and their political action committees. That is who they will represent. If you think otherwise, you are fooling yourself and listening to rhetoric. They evidently can be bought and are following the rules of the old system. They do not represent change!
The media needs to stop hyping up the Democratic nominee choice as a choice between an African American and a woman just increase their viewers (or readers). There are really three viable candidates in the race for Democratic nominee for President. Not counting superdelegates, the delegates so far are Obama 25, Hillary 24 and Edwards 18.
IMHO, John Edwards is the only choice, if you want a candidate to represent the people. John Edwards is also the only true change candidate.
Regardless of what Hillary Said about LBJ and MLK and who got what done is irrelevant.
She was working for the Goldwater campaign at the time. He was a republican conservative and WAS AGAINST minorities being able to vote period....
If Obamas adolescent drug experimentation is fair game so is this. At least he admitted to it, and said inhaling was the point...
scjmcy2k, You forgot the rest of the story. Once Hillary met Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., she was so impressed with his Civil Rights agenda that she quit Goldwater's campaign, quit the Republican Party, registered as a Democrat and has been working for civil rights ever since! HILLARY CLINTON IS THE ONLY DEMOCRAT WHO CAN WIN THE WHITE HOUSE IN 2008. VOTE HILLARY!
Since her path-breaking election to the United States Senate, Hillary has been a steadfast advocate for middle-class families, working to help create jobs, expand children's health care and protect Social Security from privatization. As the Senator representing New York Hillary has fought to strengthen our approach to homeland security and to improve our communications and intelligence operations. As the first New Yorker ever named to the Senate Armed Services Committee, Hillary has been a tough critic of the administration's bungling of Iraq and a fierce advocate for proper equipment, health benefits, and treatment for military families. THIS IS THE KIND OF DEDICATION WE NEED IN OUR PRESIDENT. VOTE HILLARY CLINTON!
FOR THOSE WHO CONTINUE TO CHANT "8 years in the White House isn't experience" Hillary ran a legal aid clinic for the poor when she first got to Arkansas and handled cases of foster care and child abuse. Years later, she organized a group called Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families. When she was just 30, President Carter appointed her to the board of the United States Legal Services Corporation, a federal nonprofit program that funds legal assistance for the poor. HILLARY, A STRONG ADVOCATE FOR THE POOR. A STRONG ADVOCATE FOR CHILDREN AND FAMILIES FOR 35 YEARS!
ummm. "NURSE RATCHET!"
we can all cut and paste. that's all very nice but she should have gone to prison before she was elected to the Senate, in which case she would not be a viable candidate at present.
go to this:
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2007/06...
it is not that hillary accepted campaign contributions-- it is that she committed felonies under federal election law. and peter paul-- her greatest contributer in 2000-- was grossly taken advantage of by her, and in a fraudulent business partnership with bill clinton that in consequence directly resulted in the collapse of Stan Lee Media.
read this blog and hear hillary incriminate herself in the video with peter paul and stan lee. the blog is titled "Hillary Clinton and the largest election fraud in history". it is not media hype.
read this legal document:
http://www.hillcap.org/060817_second_ame...
it is peter paul's second amended complaint for 1) fraud and deceit 2)unjust enrichment 3)intentional interference with prospective economic advantage 4)negligent misrepresentation 5)civil conspiracy.
hillary and her campaign are simply not to be trusted. no funny about it.
John Edwards is the only stone cold lock to beat the GOP in November, and he's the person the country needs.
I was attracted to Barrak Obama, because he is a great speaker. He seems to have passion and I believe his heart is in the right place. Sadly, his head is somewhere else. He attends a strange black nationalist church.
On the Trinity's mission statement it says: "We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black
Here's the link to the church's mission statement: http://www.tucc.org/about.htm
This is the sort of stuff that the GOP, for once correctly, would use to bury him in November.
Here's a link from a nice pro-Obama white lady about her visit to Trinity:
http://camelsnose.wordpress.com/2007/10/...
You should read it before you vote for the guy.
Hillary? She's consistently the second most despised person in America behind Bush. It is a tribute to the Clintons' hubris and political skills that she's even in the running. It would be like the GOP running Dick Chenney. A lot of GOP stalwarts like him, but they aren't dumb enough to think he could win in the general election. Ron Paul is the only current member of the GOP field she could beat.
That leaves John Edwards. Yes, Edwards has issues to. He was a trial lawyer and that is certainly an easy profession to bash. But his message is consitently pro-middle class. After the last twenty years that's what the country needs. If we don't vote for Edwards now in eight years it may be too late for union members and other blue collar workers. The biggest problem in this country is how to deal with the gap between the rich and the poor, but John Edwards is the only candidate with the guts to address the issue.
Also, John Edwards is not a career politician. If you don't know the story of why he gave up his legal career to go into politics check out this:
out:http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/2003-11-19-edwards-son_x.htm
John Edwards is the only candidate that can win.
With all the attention focused on the potential for Hillary Clinton to be the first woman president in the U.S. or Barack Obama being the first African-American president, the critical issues of the endless illegal occupation of Iraq and the corporate takeover of the nation have been pretty much pushed off the page. If you consider yourself a liberal or a progressive you are doing yourself and your fellow activists a disservice if you’re not focusing on the life and death issues involved in the presidential primaries.
Think of all the time, energy and commitment thrown into rallies, marches, and educational activity around the illegal U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq; the issues of U.S. torture and detention; countering the countless crimes of the Bush regime. Recall all the economic and human rights issues representing the corporate infiltration of our government and economy. Ask yourself who among the Democratic frontrunners continues to address these issues; who is most feared by the corporados and, no doubt because of that, is being sidelined by the corporate media? Then ask yourself which of the frontrunners has pledged to get our troops home from Iraqi the earliest; which candidate has consistently attacked the corporados; which candidate puts the climate crisis at the top of his list; which candidate is the most electable. Yes, that would be John Edwards; the same candidate progressives like Michael Moore; Norm Solomon; Thom Hartmann and Paul Krugman have been high-lighting.
Time is running out for choosing a candidate. Activists have to rise above the distractions, the soaring rhetoric that seems miles wide but only inches deep. Let’s get back to issues and the candidates’ records. After all, removing the Bush regime from Washington and restoring democracy in the U.S. is THE most important task.
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IF HE'S IN, I'M IN TOO!
Sorensen Endorses Obama: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ReDCmk2c2g8
The lawsuit filed by Clinton allies in Nevada against planned "at-large" caucusing Jan. 19 on the Las Vegas Strip is beginning to look a lot like voter suppression. As we know, the plan was drawn up and approved unanimously early last year by the Nevada Democratic Party leadership, with input from the presidential campaigns, to enable caucusing by Strip workers unable to leave work to caucus in their home precincts. Indeed the plan's creators include several of those who are now plaintiffs against it. What changed their minds? Barack Obama's endorsement Jan.9 by the 60,000-member Las Vegas Culinary Workers' Union changed their minds. When the plan was approved, Hillary Clinton was presumed to be the "inevitable" Democratic frontrunner. Iowa changed all that, and Obama's subsequent endorsement by the culinary workers has brought a Clinton win in Nevada into serious question. Since it is largely members of this union who would be caucusing in the casinos, the plan is clearly no longer in Clinton's best interests. Hence the lawsuit against the plan, filed just two days after the Obama endorsement and scarcely a week before the caucus by Clinton allies from the leadership of the Nevada State Education Association (NSEA), on the grounds that it would be unfair to workers in other areas. Why didn't they think it was unfair earlier? After all, the plan was approved nearly a year ago in the very name of fairness, to enable participation by those who would otherwise be unable to caucus. The answer is simple: Because the lawsuit has nothing whatsoever to do with fairness, and everything to do with stacking the deck in favor of Hillary Clinton. The Clintons themselves are not official parties to the suit, but both Hillary and Bill Clinton have spoken in support of it despite the fact that their campaign and others were included in the at-large caucus plan from its inception. They, like their friends in the NSEA, have had more than ample time to consider and reconsider the plan, but appear to have deemed it unfair only since the culinary workers endorsed Obama. While the judge in this case obviously has every reason in the world to throw it out of court, I don't expect that even if it prevails the culinary workers will allow it to prevent their members' caucusing. In fact I wouldn't be at all surprised to see chartered buses from the union shuttling members between the Strip and their home precincts to caucus, a lot of pressure on Strip employers to comply, and a lot of anger at the Clintons and their allies for this seedy attempt to change the rules at the last minute. The whole affair seems likely indeed to do the Clintons far more harm than good in Nevada; and as we know, what happens in Vegas doesn't always stay in Vegas.
SEEDOFCHANGE AND JFNIKKI, HOW MUCH ARE YOU GETTING FOR THE EFFORT? I AM AFRAID YOU ARE IN DENIAL COZ THE O8AMA TRAIN WILL KEEP ON RUNNING AND LEAVE YOU ON THE WAYSIDE!! OBAMA 08
Obama es MALO!
Viva Hillary Clinton!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No vote para Obama. El no tiene experiencia. El es un hombre malo malo.
VIVA HILLARY!!!!!!!
Barack did a superb job on Tuesday debating his opponents over the issues. Before I get into the debate. If and I agree, Bill, not Hillary did support a more diverse White House, however, isn't that the job of the President to represent all of the people. Since when do we owe credits for doing a job correctly? Excuse me, you don't get browny points for doing your work. That's why you were paid and receive a generous pension and benefits. Oh, Hil - 35 years experience - doing what? You've only been a senator for 6-8 years. A lawyer before that. You actually have 35 years experience running with Bill. By the way, I was SHOCKED to hear Chris Matthews take on the winner of the Debate (you're wrong CM). SHAME ON Brian Williams and Tim Russert for not allowing Barack the same courtesy to ask his opponents a question. His so called question, was not a question at all, rather a response to something Edwards said. BRIAN - learn the rules or stay out of the moderator chair. I'm glad I watched the debate and got it first hand. Some of the media is so bias. So it's thank God for the Internet. The truth can no longer be hidden. Finally, a true "people's candidate" I have not been this energized to vote for a candidate in years! Vote Barack!
By the way, if you don't think Barack has a plan, get the transcript from the Nevada Debate. The mumbo-jumbo spewed by Hillary - at times - in a shrill - did not explain funding of the solutions she did offer, and worst, oftentimes showed how incompetent she can be answering a question if not briefed by her camp. On the otherhand, while he may take his time making his point, Barack offered concrete plans on getting out of Iraq, reducing our dependency on oil, alternative menu for fuel optins, a honest response as to why so many African-American male children are falling behind (parents pay attention), sound reasoning for tax credits for the Middle Class, etc. etc. This man is ready to lead our country so that all Americans can eat, sleep, dream and prosper with Healthcare, an Education and an Entrepreneurial opportunity whether that's through existing corporate jobs, creation of new jobs and/or fair opportunities for all. It is absolutely to our advantage that we have the opporutnity to vote for such a candidate following the past 8 years and the shameful behavior of the Clintons the prior 8 years. You want something different than what we have been seen the past 16 years - Vote Barack!
Barack Obama can see past the everlasting and vindictive political battles which sidetrack Hillary Clinton.
If our party chooses Hillary, instead of Obama who will do the best job to solve the most pressing issues, she will only continue the battle instead of remaining on task to work for the people to get things done.
Katy,
It appears that you are.
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA'S UNION ENDORSEMENT IS HARASSING VOTERS INTO VOTING FOR HIM! SPREAD IT AROUND!
Culinary Union Intimidating Members to Vote for Obama
Reported from Las Vegas, Nevada
There's nothing dainty about Las Vegas but things are getting rough.
Intimidation. Pledges demanded. People to vote for Obama or stay away from the caucus.
Call this union vs. the casino workers.
I just did an interview with a Culinary union member who was intimidated while eating lunch in the cafeteria at work. She didn't want to give her name, but she wanted to tell her story. The connection is rough, but her story tells the tale. It's below in a podcast:
Culinary Union pressures members to vote for Obama.
Pamela over at Democratic Daily posted on a tip she received about the intimidation.
Jon Ralston talked about it this morning on MSNBC.
I just got off the phone with a unimpeachable source that there has been more than one confrontation between union reps and members.
This is not an indictment against unions, especially considering I joined my first union when I was in my teens, totally four eventually. Unions are the backbone of the middle class. But in every good group there lies opportunistic cretins. Obama's supporters are obviously applying Chicago style politics in Sin City and they've got three days to get the job done.
Meanwhile, you've got big shots like John Kerry talking about "let the people vote" doing so within a stacked system titled towards the Culinary union, with many of their members who'd much rather vote for someone other than Obama being intimidated and forced to sign pledge cards. Some will fight back, but most will not. From what I'm hearing, this is getting ugly. It's the opposite side, with the story actually being "make the people vote for me."
http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view...
Seed of change, you are exactly why we need change. Your vulgar and a liar, who likes to see his name in print.
Too bad you have to dream stuff up to make a case.
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Katy,
Your candidate Osama is a blatant racist. Are you one as well or do you offer any hope?
Experience is the best teacher and i personally conquer with that statement.However, i must add, a few people here will disagree with that statement.But, when we talk about Hillary Clinton and her experience,the only thing that is viable in Hillary's experience and which i hear constantly is a number, 35. That's the experience that she claims she has as a candidate and very few journalists have tried to ask all about her extensive experience, but we all know, 35 yrs experience is a good number. Since no one has quizzed mrs Clinton and her experience, iam going to define it as i see it. I will tell you what i think is the experience, she brings to the table from what i have seen during her limelight.She is mean( has tried to sabotage a viable black democratic candidate using a weapon, we all dont want to touch, Race and i think she has been successful) Nasty,(will resort to purposely distort Edwards and Obama on issues that have clearly been expressed in the past like we saw in the debate last night on nuclear energy, she brings up the subject knowing that few people would know details about such an issue) evasive(has never appologised for allowing Bush to send our troops in a war of choice but constantly attacks Bush as the problem but forgetting that she only parted ways on the war with Bush when things went out of favor and the war was going bad) to me that defines her working experience, Who among us can say, Hillary is inspiring,candid and gives us hope.i see that in Edwards and Obama but none in Clinton.One may ask, why didnt i write anything positive,i have an answer, i live it to the Clintonian's to give me a detailed positive report on Mrs Clinton and i will have an open mind, till then, my vote goes to Barack and my second choice is Obama, if none of these two make it, i will watch the Republicans.
combinedsun,
Every American agreed with the war. The problem is that wars aren't reality show like in that they have a beginning and end in an hour.
Just because CNN stopped filming didn't make it mission accomplished.
The only reality is we are fighting this war and ideology on their soil and not ours. Also, we have not been attacked in 7 years which is a lot more than Clinton can say. He just hoped they would all go away and did nothing. A decision I'm sure he regrets now and would do differently if the second chance arose.
Unlike Obama, at least the Clinton's were born and raised here. They are not radical at least as far as race is concerned, and, even as much as I dislike Hillary, I can honestly say that being the 1st lady is valuable experience. In effect, you would have a 3rd term president with a vote for her as every situation would be run by Bill first.
Obama grew up in Indonesia (90% muslim)with a dad AND step dad that were/are both muslim. And yes, both are/were really into it. (Osama's 1st daddy is dead.)
His so called church is the most racist institution around who even embraces the nation of islam and the black panthers. (Forgive me for not capitalizing these organizations but I don't feel they deserve the respect.)
Barack Hussein served two (2) years in the senate while attending this great church he found. He's publically said that he was against the war from day one and that we can sit down with our EXTREME ENEMIES including the leaders of iran and cuba.
The right thing to do by the way is take out all of iran's nuclear facilities before this whacko get's nukes and uses and gives them to all the terrorist operations he supports.
In all honesty, writing in your dog is a 1,000 times safer vote than voting for this guy.
In a news conference Deanna Favre announced she will be the starting QB for the Packers this coming Sunday. Deanna asserts that she is qualified to be starting QB because she has spent the past 16 years married to Brett while he played QB for the Packers. During this period of time she became familiar with the definition of a corner blitz, and is now completely comfortable with other terminology of the Packers offense. A survey of Packers fans shows that 50% of those polled supported the move.
Does this sound idiotic and unbelievable to you? Well, Hillary Clinton makes the same claims as to why she is qualified to be President and 50% of democrats polled agreed. She has never run a City, County, or State.
When told Hillary Clinton has experience because she has 8 years in the white house, Dick Morris stated "so has the pastry chef".
Are we applying a "double standard" here?
If we had a member of the house or senate, or someone up for confirmation in the house or senate, and we found out they belonged to a church, a country club, or any organization that preached racial hatred, we'd demand that person resign from the racist organization.
Actually, they wouldn't even be afforded that luxury. They would much more likely be chastised into a state of oblivion where they would have to leave the country to have any kind of peace or work again. They wouldn't even be able to get a job in this country after the truth came out.
Gross double standards yes in deed. This bastard's buddy said we deserved 9-11 and NOTHING????????????
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?????????
Obama Iraq record. Here are the facts.
Fact Check: Obama's Consistent Opposition To The War In Iraq
January 12, 2008
VIEW THE TIMELINE OF OBAMA'S CONSISTENT OPPOSITION TO THE IRAQ WAR"
WHAT YOU MIGHT HEAR
"‘I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports,' Mr. Obama said. "What would I have done? I don't know..'” [New York Times, 07/26/04]
WHAT OBAMA SAID
"He opposed the war in Iraq, and spoke against it during a rally in Chicago in the fall of 2002. He said then that he saw no evidence that Iraq had unconventional weapons that posed a threat, or of any link between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda.
"In a recent interview, he declined to criticize Senators Kerry and Edwards for voting to authorize the war, although he said he would not have done the same based on the information he had at the time.
"‘But, I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports,' Mr. Obama said. "What would I have done? I don't know. What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made.'”
"But Mr. Obama said he did fault Democratic leaders for failing to ask enough tough questions of the Bush administration to force it to prove its case for war. ‘What I don't think was appropriate was the degree to which Congress gave the president a pass on this,' he said.” [New York Times, 7/26/04]
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Obama's church will not be an issue in the end in this election. White American must get a clue. There are many afro-centric churches in America that do great work in the community. Even some black Catholic Churhes are afrocentric whose aim is to uplift the hopeless in the African American and African communities. The Clintons and republicans will attempt to use this as a swiftboat issue but it will fail.
In the end, the democrats will do the right thing and elect Obama as the nominee. He is their only hope to beat the republicans in the fall. He has the integrity, the record and very little baggage unlike his main opponent. (or really opponents Bill and Hilliary)
What the Hilliary supporters will have to accept is that she is unelectable. She will bring out republicans in droves--should she be the nominee. Independents won't vote for her. And with the recent shenanigans with the 'race card', I predict that she will loose some black support too. She has already lost me.
And the final nail in the coffin will be Bloombery ticket. This will guarantee the republicans will keep the white house.
Karl Rove and company are praying for a Hilliary nomination. They don't want to run against him because he has less baggage. Obama will get the democratic base, youth, independents and moderate republicans.
YES WE CAN! OBAMA 08'
Smear campaign. How can Obama be a racist if he loves his white mother and grandparents?
Ingorant folks read his autobiography and "The Audacity of Hope."
YES WE CAN! OBAMA 08'
As I watch Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton on the campaign trail, I find them increasingly a study in contrasts, their differences evident not only in the things they say but in the fundamental nature of their respective campaigns. Hillary Clinton wants to be America's manager-in-chief, and her campaign shows it. Clinton '08 is a strictly managed affair from the top down, and that is how decisions are made: from the top down. Among Clinton's high profile backers is Martha Stewart, and Clinton '08 has all the earmarks of a Martha Stewart campaign, a campaign with not so much as a throw pillow out of place. In fact I should imagine that if one were to compare one of Clinton's speeches to a Martha Stewart address before a gathering of potential investors, one would find very little difference. Barack Obama, in contrast, wishes to lead by inspiring; and he has already demonstrated the ability to inspire many thousands across the United States and indeed around the world. If Hillary Clinton represents the market-model, managerial mentality of the 1990s, Obama seems to recall the political and social leaders of the 1960s, as many have observed - leaders who believed likewise that leadership was about more than just managing bureaucracy. None of America's greatest presidents are considered great because of their bureaucratic management skills. Abraham Lincoln's authorship of the Emancipation Proclamation was not an act of effective bureaucratic management, nor was JFK's dream to put a human on the moon by the end of his decade. If Barack Obama were not in possession of the basic skills required for the job he seeks, he would not have come as far as he has. Obama possesses far more, however, than the ability merely to be our chief pencil pusher.
Do not give up and vote for Hillary as the status quo. Do not hope that Obama can beat the Republican nominee. The media blitz for these two candidates has been playing into the Republicans hopes of retaining the White House for another four years. Nevada can make the difference this year!!
John Edwards has consistently shown that he has the biggest statistical advantage over all of the Republican candidates. John Edwards can win the national election, ensuring that this will not be a repeat of elections of 2000 and 2004. Do not inject doubt into the election by nominating an barely electable national candidate.
Caucus for John Edwards this Saturday and make him the front runner!
i am a zealous supporter of ABH*. "billary" PUT THAT CROWN DOWN! 300 million people and we have to even consider eight more years of a bush or clinton in the executive branch. talk about despots. since 1980 we have had a bush (initially only vice president) or clinton in our faces for 28 years already!!! enough people. didnt we have a heated 'argument' with someone called England over something called a monarchy? Who's next after hillary? Chelsea? {if my calculations are right she will be old enough in 8 years....} or maybe we could go for Jeb Bush.... wait, by then the twins will be old enough (NOT-lol!)
I am personally attracted by the idea of getting behind an issue (like the group i see supporting healthcare reform) rather than any candidate. My issue is entrenchment: hey-hey, ho-ho dynasty has got to go!!!!!
*ANYONE BUT HILLARY
Senator Leahy endorses Obama. Further proof that Washington establishment KNOWS Obama is more than ready for the office of the presidency.
Integrity, smarts and vision as well as eloquence really do count for something.
YES WE CAN!
For those who think Hillary can “get it done”??? Exactly what has she gotten done?
35 years of ‘experience’? in politics yes, but only 7 years *representing a constituency* - her career certainly doesn't demonstrate a long term drive to make a difference to others…
What has she succeeded at? Not only was the health care initiative was miserably designed, the rollout was a disaster. Nothing here.
Has she demonstrated an ability to work within the system? Hillary Clinton has sponsored 350 bills since Jan 22, 2001, of which 304 haven't made it out of committee. This is a Very Poor success rate relative to her peers. See www.govtrack.us
Finally, none of the bills the she has introduced and passed by the senate "get it done" for anybody. Vast majority are non-controversial resolutions ( statements of opinion or non-binding requests, not laws).
Despite protests to the contrary, Saint Obama the Uniter has actively sought an opportunity to inject race into the 2008 campaign leading into the Nevada and South Carolina primaries. He couldn't find it, so they first went with "fairy tale" being racist to describe one of Obama's positions. Hardly racist. Then his campaign picked up on Clinton’s MLK comment and misinterpreted it. He needed to trick and incite African Americans, while distancing himself enough personally so as not to be obvious to whites, Hispanics and others.
What a con man.
Obama needs to keep in mind, however, that if the race is held out as a reason to vote FOR someone, it must also be a valid reason to vote AGAINST someone. He can't have it both ways. I hope his disgusting race games ultimately crash his campaign.
Katy,
Doesn't it bother you in the least that Barack's minister, mentor and best friend publicly said the 9/11 attacks were deserved?
Katy,
Are you able to answer a yes or no question?
Doesn't it bother you in the least that Barack's minister, mentor and best friend publicly said the 9/11 attacks were deserved?
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to Truth- here is the Truth:
"In April, however, Obama spoke to The New York Times about Wright, and appeared to be trying to distance himself from his spiritual mentor. He said, "We don't agree on everything. I've never had a thorough conversation with him about all aspects of politics."
More specifically, Obama told the Times, "The violence of 9/11 was inexcusable and without justification," adding "It sounds like [Wright] was trying to be provocative."
Obama attributed Wright's controversial views to Wright being "a child of the '60s" who Obama said "expresses himself in that language of concern with institutional racism, and the struggles the African-American community has gone through."
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That is why we are a secular country - division of Church and State -- I don't know about you but I've heard some pretty crazy stuff coming from the pulpit -- Religious leaders are not exactly "grounded"
What's funny is how phony Barack really is.
On one hand he takes great offense to Hillary's TRUE comment about MLK and the President who got MLK's visions into law, yet, his so called minister says the 3,000 innocent people who died on 9-11 deserved it because of white's treatments of blacks and that only go's down on obama's watch as a very forgivable disagreement.
And since they disagreed on those comments and got over it, why not give farrakhan the churches official lifetime achievment award?
He earned it!
Afterall, in the black value system, white's and Jews are to blame for everything and both of those groups need to die.
That's probably why our democratic candidate wants to sit down with the iranian and cuban leaders and while 95% of Americans were for the war after 9-11, osama never was.
Write in your bird. It will be 1,000 times safer than voting for this person.
Please go caucus for Obama and tell everyone about Clintons and their record.
Anyone who wants to see the true Hillary, ask her or her supporters why she waffled after initially supporting NY GOV. Spitzer's plan to grant Drivers Licenses to illegal aliens in NY State; remember that terrible debate answer and then the aftermath in which she received a lot of negative airplay. The former President Bill Clinton asked the Governor to pull his plan so Hillary would not have to answer any more questions about it to get her off the hook. Look it up. That is the big supporter of Latinos.
Please call out Obama on his comments in the debate and check with any relatives or anyone else you know in Chicago to see if he has that kind of record there of saying anything to win the moment and move on with your vote to the next audience.
The Clintons record in the White House is they never stayed around to fight for us. They caved in on Affirmative Action and Welfare Reform, and most importantly, their Crime Bill that they brag put so many more officers on the street is also singularly responsible for a generation of historically high incarceration rates for black and brown people in this country. We also have the Clinton years to thank for the mandatory sentencing guidelines, eliminating the discretion of judges, and the disparity in sentencing between crack/cocaine sentences.
We Democrats mobilized to rally around them in 1998 and defend them from attacks, and that was entirely appropriate then. But they are the attackers now, attacking our Union and Obama just to make some kind of triumphant return to the White House; and we have to let them know that we love them but we need bolder, bigger cajones this time around. We need a homerun to sweep in majorities in both Houses of Congress with a message of hope and unity; and then we can claim a mandate to enact sweeping changes in legislation.
The truth that everyone reading this knows in his/her heart is that:
1. Any of our three Democratic candidates CAN win in November.
2. Only one could just as easily lose. (HRC is the only candidate with higher negative ratings than favorable one among all DEM and REP candidates)
3. And only one could win HUGE. (Obama has the biggest margin between favorable and negative ratings among all DEM and REP candidates)
We gotta go for it! This is why the female Senator McCaskill from MO and Gov. Napolitano from AZ along with Native American Sen. Nelson of Nebraska all endorsed Obama last week. No one wants the name Clinton on top of the ballot in their state, except the Republicans.
So please don't stay home. Everyone must go out Saturday and share your views with your neighbors. Go For It. And Ba-Rock the Vote!!!
If sleeping with a President qualifies for experience then vote for the Clinton HillBillies.If scandal,sleeze and divisive petty politicking are a necessary ingredient in 21st American politics then by all means please welcome the scheming candidate who stood by her man. She is not the one who got laid in the White House, then why should she be be paid through the twisted pennance of getting the American Presidency. Hillary is talented, yes...enough to start her own Talk Show. Cry me a river New Hampshire. I trust, believe and keep the faith in the hope of a New America...thats a source of pride to the rest of the progressive world. The Clintons give me the creeps. Remember Ron Brown!!
"There's a wall around Washington and we need to take it down. The American people are on the outside. And on the other side, on the inside, are the powerful, the well-connected and the very wealthy.That wall didn't build itself or appear overnight. For decades, politicians without convictions and powerful interests gathered their bricks and their stones and their mortar, and they went to work. They went to work to protect their interests, to block the voice of the American people, and to stop our country's progress. They went to work to protect, defend, and maintain the status quo.
"You have a choice in this election. You have to decide what kind of person you want as your next president. Do you want someone who is going to pretend that wall around Washington isn't there, or defend the people who helped build it? Or do you want someone who is going to lead with conviction and tell you the truth, and have a little backbone? Do you want someone who is going to hope that the people who spent millions of dollars and decades building that wall, and have billions more invested in keeping it up, are going to be willing to compromise, to take it down voluntarily? Or do you want someone who is going to stand up to those people and fight for your interests, when the chips are down, when your backs are against the wall, every single day?
"We have a choice in this election. We can keep trying to shout over that wall. We can keep trying to knock out a chink here and there, to punch little holes in it and hope our voices get through. We can settle for baby steps, half-measures and incremental change, and try to inch our way over that wall and toward a better future. Or we can be bold and knock it down. …
-John Edwards, DNC Fall Meeting
Knock Down That Wall! Don't vote the status quo and vote in another corporate Democrat.
Make a statement tomorrow and caucus for John Edwards.
Obama is much more progressive than Clinton, and yet he still appeals to many more Independents and Republicans than Clinton. If we want to get things done in DC, the right way, Obama is the one who has a history of creating the working majority necessary to accomplish it -- be it social security, medicare, a meaningful energy policy, enhanced natl security to real health care and a vibrant economy. Clinton's campaign continues to spread ridiculous and misleading information about Obama, which is just a signal that the old guard is threatened and is fighting for the position it feels entitled to. Long time loyalties to the family from Arkansas should give way to a true movement of change that isn't based on partisan politics. Vote your conscience. Vote Obama.
Why Hillary is more electable than any other democrat?
Watch the interview with the African-American Sen. Charles Rengel at:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
Full address:
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/vi...
Despite protests to the contrary, Saint Obama the Uniter has actively sought an opportunity to inject race into the 2008 campaign leading into the South Carolina primaries. He couldn't find it, so they first went with "fairy tale" being racist to describe one of Obama's positions. Hardly racist. Then his campaign picked up on Clinton’s MLK comment and misinterpreted it. He needed to trick African Americans enough to anger them, while distancing himself enough so as not to be obvious to whites, Hispanics and others.
He needs to keep in mind, however, that if the race is held out as a reason to vote FOR someone, it must also be a valid reason to vote AGAINST someone. He can't have it both ways. Obama is a major con man. But we already know that here in Illinois. We're still waiting for our lofty dose of "change" he promised us -- but he's done nothing but cut deals to enrich himself and his wife.
I was so inspired by the audacity to hope, that I just wished away my credit card bills, but guess what? there they were, pesky ol' bills to pay, I cried at the Obama rally, but guess what? my mortgage didn't go away either. Drats.
Then there is the whole Farrakhan issue with Obama. Nope, he won't go there and denounce Farrakhan or Al Sharpton either. No siree! And now he has that loser John Kerry going to bat for him, because guess what folks, Obama can't swing his own bat either! Give me a break.
THE EMPERIOR HAS NO CLOTHES AND THE MEDIA AND THEIR DARLING SHOULD GO BACK TO ILLINOIS AND JUST SAY WHAT HE IS: A RACIST IN ANOTHER COLOR OF SKIN. PLEASE.....OBAMA JUST SHUT UP ALREADY.
Obama's education:
Education:
* 1983 Foreign Policy Degree from Columbia,
* 1991 Law Degree from Harvard, graduated magna cum laude from Harvard, and he served as the President of the Harvard Law Review, one of the most prestigious student positions in the world.
Obama's work as a community organizer:
Community Organizer, 1985
He sought to improve living conditions in poor neighborhoods plagued with crime and high unemployment
* Moved the Chicago Housing Authority to remove asbestos in housing
* Established a job-training center
* Worked in the streets on voter registration to help elect President Clinton
* Registered 150,000 people to vote
Obama as a lawyer:
Civil Rights Lawyer, Miner, Barnhill & Galland:
-litigated employment discrimination,
-housing discrimination, and
-voting rights cases
Constitutional Law lecturer at the University of Chicago.
Obama in the Illinois State Senate:
* Welfare legislation
* Created the Earned Income Tax Credit program that gave over $100 million in tax cuts for families throughout Illinois over 3 years.
* Expanded early childhood education
* Enlisted the support of law enforcement officials to draft legislation requiring the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases.
* Passed, with U.S. Sen. Paul Simon (D-IL), the toughest campaign finance law in Illinois history. The legislation banned the personal use of campaign money by Illinois legislators and banned most gifts from lobbyists.
* Barack Obama sponsored and passed legislation that expanded health care coverage to 70,000 kids and 84,000 adults.
Legislation Passed in US Senate
* Lugar-Obama Act for reduction of conventional and nuclear weapons world wide
* Coburn-Obama Transparency Act transparency in federal spending, found at http://www.usaspending.gov
* Cosponsored the Healthy Kids Act of 2007 and the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) Reauthorization Act of 2007 to ensure that more American children have affordable health care coverage.
* Obama worked to pass a number of laws in Illinois and Washington to improve the health of women. His accomplishments include creating a task force on cervical cancer, providing greater access to breast and cervical cancer screenings, and helping improve prenatal and premature birth services.
* As a member of the U.S. Senate Committee on Veterans' Affairs, Obama passed legislation to improve care and slash red tape for our wounded warriors recovering at places like Walter Reed. He passed laws to help homeless veterans and offered an innovative solution to prevent at-risk veterans from falling into homelessness. Obama passed legislation to stop a VA review of closed PTSD cases that could have led to a reduction in veterans' benefits. He passed an amendment to ensure that all service members returning from Iraq are properly screened for traumatic brain injuries
* Congo
* Darfur
* Introduced Patriot Employer Act, August 2007, to reward companies for keeping jobs in the US
* As a member of the Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions committee, Obama helped pass legislation in the recent improvements to the Higher Education Act to increase the maximum Pell Grant award to $5,10.
* Obama passed legislation with Senator Jim Talent (R-MO) to give gas stations a tax credit for installing E85 ethanol refueling pumps.
* Obama sponsored an amendment that became law providing $40 million for commercialization of a combined flexible fuel vehicle/hybrid car within five years.
* Congress ethics legislation passed by Obama and Feingold that ending subsidized corporate jet travel, mandating disclosure of lobbyists' bundling of contributions, and enacting strong new restrictions of lobbyist-sponsored trips
* Obama has introduced and helped pass bipartisan legislation to limit the abuse of no-bid federal contracts.
THE AUDACITY OF HYPE!!
http://www.newstatesman.com/200801100000......
Obama fairy tale has Chicago-size hole
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/colum...
Top Donor to Sen. Obama Spent Millions Lobbying to Store Nuclear Waste at Yucca Mountain
One of Sen. Obama's biggest donors is the energy giant Exelon:
Exelon is the sixth largest donor to Sen. Obama's presidential campaign and the fourth largest career donor to Obama’s federal campaigns.
Exelon employees have donated over $269,100 to his federal campaigns and over $194,750 in 2008. [opensecrets.org, 2008, 2004-2008]
Exelon's CEO is a key advocate for storing nuclear waste at Yucca:
Exelon CEO John Rowe calls Yucca mountain project ‘linchpin’ to solving waste problem and building new plants. "So what does Exelon Chief Executive Officer John Rowe want?
Fortune magazine, in a May 15, 2006, article titled 'Meet Mr. Nuke,' details Rowe's call to solve the waste problem before additional nuclear power plants are built.
"We have to be able to look the public in the eye and say, 'If we build a plant, here's where the waste will go,' " Rowe told Fortune.
The Yucca Mountain Project is the 'linchpin' to solving the waste problem and building new plants.”[Las Vegas Review Journal, 5/15/07]
Exelon has spent millions lobbying to open up Yucca mountain:
In 2002, Exelon spent $2,172,000 dollars on lobbying the federal government on issues including 'Yucca Mountain Project Management' [sopr.senate.gov, mid-year; year-end]
In 2003, Exelon spent $2,864,400 dollars on lobbying the federal government on issues including 'Yucca Mountain Project Management' [sopr.senate.gov, mid-year; year-end]
In 2004, Exelon spent over $1,000,000 dollars on lobbying the federal government on issues including 'Yucca Mountain Project Management' [sopr.senate.gov, mid-year; year-end]
In 2005, Exelon spent $1,815,000 dollars on lobbying the federal government on issues including ‘the Department of Energy’s Yucca Mountain Project.’ [sopr.senate.gov, mid-year, year-end]
In 2006, Exelon spent $1,329,014 dollars on lobbying the federal government on issues including ‘the Department of Energy’s Yucca Mountain Project.’ [sopr.senate.gov, mid-year, year-end]
In 2007, Exelon spent $1,732,321 dollars on lobbying the federal government on issues including the ‘Yucca Mountain National Interest…’ [sopr.senate.gov, mid-year]
The truth about Barack Hussein Osama and his racist agenda:
http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/Obama_Chu...
http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=2937953
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...
http://www.trumpetmag.com/home.cfm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZXeNk7H3...
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/ko...
JCJCD - stop spreading your propaganda videos on youtube!
You have been uploading hundreds of videos and have DISABLED the comments and ratings on them because you don't want users to post the reality on your videos!!!!
You are now spamming all over this site and the web with links to your videos.
YOU ARE NOTHING BUT DIRTY! Your smearing tactics are very deceitful and we will get you REMOVED from YOUTUBE for your propaganda and dirty smearing attacks. You are as DIRTY as the party you're campaigning for, the Clintons.
SHAME ON YOU for posting hundreds of videos!! People are catching on to what the Clinton campaign has been up to... Smear campaigns and dirty attacks.
Everyone realizes how dirty the Clinton camp is. SHAME on you jcjcd! Everyone who's against his nasty actions and attacks, complain to YouTube and have jcjcd's videos removed! Be a man and allow people to be able to respond to your videos instead of hiding. You know the truth hurts and you just want to suppress the American people's say! Time to take action against jcjcd!!!
Hilarious. Bill Clinton falls asleep at MLK celebration
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/0...
CLINTON SAYS WE HAVE THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT BECAUSE LYNDON JOHNSON SIGNED IT.
GOLDWATER RAN A CAMPAIGN AGAINST JOHNSON...
SO WHY WAS SHE CAMPAIGNING FOR BARRY GOLDWATER WHO WAS AGAINST THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT???
BY THE WAY CHECK OUT BILL CLINTON'S RACIST POSTCARD HE SENT TO HIS GRANDMA IN 1966 DURING THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT.
http://serr8d.blogspot.com/2007/10/bill-...