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StumblePublished Sunday, Oct. 3, 2010 | 1:03 p.m.
Updated Sunday, Oct. 3, 2010 | 7:53 p.m.
That’s just some of what GOP Senate nominee Sharron Angle said during a meeting Wednesday evening with Tea Party of Nevada candidate Scott Ashjian and Tea Party of Nevada Chairman Sid James at the home of Richard Ziser, who lost to Harry Reid in 1994 and now is an adviser to the Angle campaign and also participated in the conversation.
A tape of the 38-minute meeting that I have obtained provides a rare window into the kinds of discussions that take place during campaigns behind closed doors, redolent of the authenticity that disappears in public or in TV ads.
The conversation reveals Angle almost desperate to show Ashjian they are like-minded, that they both disdain the major parties, but insistent that the Tea Party of Nevada contender could help Reid win if he doesn’t embrace her candidacy. Ashjian emphasizes he believes a third party is the only way and that he believes he can garner a fifth of the vote, which seems fantastically optimistic, to put it mildly.
Angle expresses disdain for the national GOP, which she says she now has “in a box” because she won the primary, which caused the DC types after her June 8 victory to still be “moaning and groaning and weeping and gnashing teeth over Sue Lowden.” Later, she tries to persuade Ashjian to endorse her because she will have “juice” he can tap into to get access to Sens. Jim DeMint, Tom Coburn and Mitch McConnell.
I can just hear it now: The woman who calls the majority leader “Let’s Make a Deal Harry Reid” becomes “Let’s Make a Deal Sharron Angle”
At the meeting’s outset, Ashjian seems open to a deal, suggesting if he can get an apology from the Tea Party Express, “we can get on board.” He claims he does not want money, wants the lawsuits about his candidacy to go away – remember those voicemails from GOP lawyer Cleta Mitchell posted elsewhere on my blog suggest she was trying to “settle” something with him. By the end of the meeting, it’s clear this attempted backroom bargain is going nowhere – and I’m not sure Ashjian ever wanted it to.
There’s a lot more, too, including:
----Angle’s open disgust with her own party’s leaders and principles (or lack thereof)
----James’ obvious abandonment of Ashjian’s candidacy and insistence that Angle will lose unless he withdraws and that there is still time to get his name off the ballot
----Some brief trashing of Sen. John Ensign by Ziser and Ashjian
----Ashjian’s claims of physical threats and of being followed
----Angle’s agreement with him that both major parties are “corrupt”
----Angle’s claim to have taken over the Washoe County Republican Party and having her “guys” in the Clark County GOP
----Her promise to deliver to Ashjian “anything I can personally,” including an apology from the Tea Party Express after the election.
It is a unique and quite entertaining fly-on-the-wall look inside a campaign.
I have posted an audio file of the meeting at right and below are some snippets of the conversation. As you will hear if you listen to the audio, some of what Angle says is muffled, but I have listened to the tape four times and extracted as much as I could. (Ashjian is slated to be on “Face to Face” on Monday to discuss the taping and the conversation.)
Considering this tape is now out, you have to ask the question: What in the world was Angle thinking taking this meeting? That, by the way, is the question Cleta Mitchell asked herself after she heard about her candidate taking it.)
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Angle: “The Republicans have lost their standards, they’ve lost their principles…..Really that’s why the machine in the Republican Party is fighting against me…..They have never really gone along with lower taxes and less government.”
Angle: “…what has happened to me in this whole definition of me by Harry Reid….It’s hard…and it’s especially hard when you know it’s not true.”
Angle: “The one thing you said about the machinery that has endorsed me, they have no choice… …it’s me or Reid…that’s what they got…. also this is such a national race…so really we have them in a box…they are coming to us and saying, 'We know we got to support you.' ….In some ways, it’s exactly where we wanted that good old boy thing is in the box…(She then begins using an analogy about David and Goliath, and David shedding his armor.) 'You gotta get my armor off and let me pick up this slingshot'…..that’s where I am right now, get them to leave me alone for long enough so I can…. go after this guy…. you (Ashjian) have tapped into it, the essence of America….and the essence of America is we are tired of politics as usual… only thing that’s different between you and I is I guess I was pragmatic enough to know…that third parties can’t get traction….so I said all right, I’ll work with it. just show me what the rules are and I’ll work with it…the rules are there are Democrats and Republicans…so I moved myself up within the Republican ranks….they have no choice, I’m the only game in town…. There was no one more shocked than they were when I won that primary, when I went back to Washington DC, they were still moaning and groaning and weeping and gnashing teeth over Sue Lowden…And I said I am what ya got, this is it.”
Angle: “I believe you (Ashjian) can do some real harm, not to Harry Reid but to me…I’m not sure you can win and I’m not sure I can win if you’re hurting my chance and that’s the part that scares me.”
Ashjian: “You have to understand, it’s not personal.”
Angle: “Everyone say it’s not personal but then Harry Reid wins.”
Angle: “(The Republicans in DC) don’t want me back there…because they know I’ll shake this mess up….…..I shook it up in Carson City, they hated me there…41-Angle was not a compliment……..When I go back, there may be five or six of us….maybe Joe Miller (Alaska), Ken Buck (Colorado), Christine O’Donnell (Delaware).
Ashjian: “She (O’Donnell) doesn’t have a chance.”
Angle: “Well I think she’s real.” She then skeptically mentions the Florida GOP Senate nominee as one of the group: “Marco Rubio, but that’s a stretch for me.”
Angle: Says the grass roots movement “gives me juice. That’s really all I can offer to you (Ashjian) is whatever juice I have, you have as well…You want to see DeMint, I have juice with him….I go to Washington, DC and want to see Jim DeMint, he’s right there for me. I want to see Tom Coburn, he’s right there for me. I want to see Mitch McConnell, he’s there.”
Angle: “I need your help to defeat Harry Reid. I can’t do this....”
Verbatim from Sharron Angle website v1.0"
"Sharron Angle honors both the law and the oath and will reject back door deals and closed secret meetings."
As long it's convenient to do so. Otherwise, she'll use her "juice" behind the scenes to entice Ashjian into getting out of her way.
I guess I'll have to update the blog...
http://sharronangle.blogspot.com/
Mrs. Angle has DeMint juice and wants to share it.
Mrs. Angle has government health care but doesn't want to share that.
And what will happen to Nevada if we lose the #1 U. S. Senator and Angle becomes #100 on the back bench? Nevada will lose all the "juice" we've built up over the years! Angle is NOT in any way, shape or form worthy of election as a dog catcher - and she is dangerously extreme! Harry Reid has done more for ALL Nevadans than the entire Nevada Republican Party COMBINED! Get real folks - look at the facts and vote smart! Angle wants to do away with Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and the Veterans Administration - EVERY Nevadan that is a senior citizen, serving in the U. S. Armed Forces, is a Military Family member and ALL Veterans should VOTE FOR HARRY REID!
So who taped the meeting? Ashijian?
Has he been harrassed by the Tea Bag Lady and her "operatives" to the exetent that he's willing to wear a wire?
Comment removed by moderator. Repetitive comment.
So, she was AGAINST secret backroom "juice" deals -- BEFORE she was FOR them.
Gotta love it.
pmontg53; nobody reads that crap you keep cutting and pasting. Don't you get it? Nobody cares what goes on in your little brain if you keep putting out the same trash every day. If you want to make an argument (although I certainly don't see anything in your previous postings that is in the least manner arguable) come up with something new and proveable. Othewise you are just wasting your time, because NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR LISTS OF CRAP!!!!
willy-t
What makes you think anyone cares about your opinions!
I wonder when the GOP will see that the Tea Party is Hijacking the GOP coffers.
It is not as imperative as she(Sharron) thinks to oust Harry Reid he is being controlled now with the filibusters so look before you leap.
Wow this one just keeps biting the hand that feeds her.
She offers an apology from the Tea party express AFTER the election, Ha Ha she thinks Ashjian will swallow that it means nothing AFTER the election because the Tea party will fade to the wayside.
If the Tea Party Express really wanted harry to lose then they could put aside there pride and make the apology Before the election.
" I would gladly pay you .05 tomorrow for a burger today"
Elections are about choices and I'll vote for a true friend (who may disappoint me now-and-then) over a deadly enemy any day! Get real people! VOTE FOR HARRY REID!
The BEST PART:
She wants her MUZZLE TAKEN OFF!!!
That would be OUTSTANDING!
Can you imagine; UNBRIDLED CRAZINESS...woo hoo!!!
Ziser lost to Reid in 2004, not 1994. Good scoop though.
Ziser is the sanctimonious "personhood-at-conception" dude in Nevada.
Here's a news flash: The rhetoric boils down to CONSTITUTIONAL CENSERVATISM vs. socialism. The wise voters, hopefully, will change things in November.
ToPMONTG53..................... You are absolutely right. This Ralston is a shill for the Democratic party. You never hear any criticism about DINGY HARRY! How come Rush Limbaugh calls Harry (DINGY) ? You want to know why he is a sleaze . He doesn't have the B__LS to go to Town Hall meetings(crowd might be tough on Dingy) Dingy if u can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.(HST) Nov can't come soon enough. Hopefully Angle confronts DINGY about his record.
Once again, all anyone has to do in order to make Sharron Angle look bad is quote her. You don't have to misrepresent her record, or distort her positions, or even interview people who don't like her. All you have to do is quote her. Or better yet, play back a recording of her voice.
If you in the Nevada Republican Party don't learn from this campaign, then you are doomed. You have to be able to identify sharp, knowledgeable young candidates who can survive nominating and election campaigns, and then work with other elected and appointed officials in order to develop a record that will get them re-elected. You have to groom them, mentor them, and fund them, give them opportunities to grow, and nurture their careers. Otherwise, you end up with undisciplined candidates like Sue Lowden, who melt down and leave a path for the Sharron Angles of the world to get nominated, run amateurish campaigns, and lose what should have been easy wins for some well-qualified young achiever who wants to develop a career in public service.
You "leaders" of the Nevada Republican Party have only yourselves to blame for this debacle. And you have about a year to figure out how to keep John Ensign from showing some other unelectable candidate the same fruitless path to ignominy. It's time to identify some Gen-X potential candidates and get to work on them.
Here is an interesting question: who consented to the recording? See NRS 200.650
NRS 200.650 Unauthorized, surreptitious intrusion of privacy by listening device prohibited. Except as otherwise provided in NRS 179.410 to 179.515, inclusive, and 704.195, a person shall not intrude upon the privacy of other persons by surreptitiously listening to, monitoring or recording, or attempting to listen to, monitor or record, by means of any mechanical, electronic or other listening device, any private conversation engaged in by the other persons, or disclose the existence, content, substance, purport, effect or meaning of any conversation so listened to, monitored or recorded, unless authorized to do so by one of the persons engaging in the conversation.
(Added to NRS by 1957, 335; A 1973, 1749; 1989, 660)
@ nrs49275-
Yeah. Perhaps Ashjian wore a wire. And, should that be verifiable, his need of legal counsel will ramp up by perhaps an order of magnitude.
Nonetheless, her words ARE what they are. No way to now un-ring that bell. What happens on the internet STAYS...downloaded to far too many hard drives to ever be eliminated.
Pass the popcorn.
Is this article trying to dissuade me from voting Angle by showing these quotes? Didn't work. If anything, makes me even more comfortable in my decision (which I made back in March)
Angle: "The Republicans have lost their standards, they've lost their principles"..Really that's why the machine in the Republican Party is fighting against me"..They have never really gone along with lower taxes and less government."
And which part of that statement is NOT true? This makes her "crazy"? If so, then lock me up too...
Well, it's clearly a year to pick the lesser of two evils, but in my mind, Harry Reid needs to go back to Searchlight! I'll vote for anybody who isn't Harry Reid.
BobbyG-
It is not illegal to tape conversations in Nevada, even without consent from the other party. If Angle had any sense WHATSOEVER she would have asked at the outset if Ashjian was taping the conversation.
Angle is a week player in a cut throat business. She will bring nothing to this great state at a time when it desperately needs help. I, as a Republican, will be voting for Harry Reid.
@liljoe31-
Sharron Angle quote from her website:
"Sharron Angle honors both the law and the oath and will reject back door deals and closed secret meetings."
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Except when it becomes expedient, apparently. She quite clearly offered Ashjian access to her supposed DC GOP insider "juice" in return for his standing down. Not 'stand aside on principle' -- 'Stand aside and I'll grease your skids to the GOP power elite.'
Some things are in fact rather clear and unequivocal.
"Expedience." Look it up. Just what she's been loudly railing against all this time. She's a dolt and a hypocrite.
http://sharronangle.blogspot.com/
Every gay and lesbian I know is voting to unseat Harry Reid. Reid sacrificed DADT, openly opposes gay marriage, voted for the Defense of Marriage Act, and has spent his career forcing his sanctimonious self-righteous religious views down the throats of Nevada and the rest of the country. Bigotry mixed with senility; it's not pretty!
"" Later, she tries to persuade Ashjian to endorse her because she will have "juice" he can tap into to get access to Sens. Jim DeMint, Tom Coburn and Mitch McConnell."
and there it is! Do this for me and I will give you access. Angle trying to buy em off. got love it LOL oh yeah Angle voters. Integrity I tell ya! integrity! LOL Oh man would love to see this in the RJ after their backing of this nutjob today
@Politico-
She's not even elected yet and is already engaging the the very behavior for which she loudly castigates others.
I predicted when she won the Primary that she would betray her supporters beginning on Day One in the Senate should she prevail.
I was WRONG. Why await Day One?
Different day, same [bleep]. LOL
@Arlene-Spectator said "Every gay and lesbian I know is voting to unseat Harry Reid."
You should get to know some Gays and Lesbians then. Voting against Reid would ensure that Angle would win and she wants to outlaw homosexuality. The Gays and Lesbians I know are very smart people and aren't voting for Angle.
"[Reid] has spent his career forcing his sanctimonious self-righteous religious views down the throats of Nevada and the rest of the country."
That last statement is comical. And Sharron Angle wouldn't force her "sanctimonious self-righteous religious views down the throats of Nevada and the rest of the country"?
You kill me! gbigs, did you learn to spell and make full sentences?
Reid supported Nevada's ban on gay marriage.
He also voted for DOMA which allows Nevada to ignore gay marriages from other states.
Is THAT all you can come up with SgtRock?
ROTFL.
Sharron Mangle would advocates outlawing homosexuality per se if she thought she could get away with proposing it. She's already on record as wanting to outlaw adoptions by gays and lesbians.
SgtRock, that's why it's so funny to hear Angle supporters claim that Reid is some sort of ultra-liberal! He's pretty conservative in social ways.
"Assemblywoman, you are on record as opposing gay marriage, and have also advocated outlawing adoption of children by gay people. Now, with respect to the latter point,
"[1] since the only rational public interest in and rationale for prohibiting adoption is that of documented elevated risk to the child, would you care to cite for us the scientific evidence of such risk? And, relatedly,
"[2] would you also necessarily, then, propose [a] forcibly removing to state foster custody children already adopted by gays and lesbians, and [b] passing laws forbidding gays and lesbians to even procreate in the first place to produce biological children not even in need of adoption?"
While some certain GL rights failed recently, if you really think Republicans will not take you back to the 19th century you are in for a rude awakening. They are only for GL rights when they are outed. Otherwise it's "anti-gay as we go!"
Arlene spector, if you will vote for anyone BUT Harry Reid, then go vote for your local street walker. I'll tell'em ya all are behind them! God Bless, and let your street walkers win!
@solsinner.
Oddly enough, I agree with all of Harry's remarks that you quoted except number 9. (hopefully they were peacefully assembling, or else I have to agree with him on all of those remarks). I respect the Constitution, and we have the right to assemble.
If the GOP wants the moderate vote, they have to come up with candidates that are a bit more moderate, and less corrupt.(Cough)(Ensign)I know a lot of Republican people and I'm sure there were better candidates out there. Lowden? (chickens for healthcare, when I own a couple of casinos) Really?, Tarkanian? (I have met him and, he's not a nice man, or at least he wasn't back then), and Angle?
I'm convinced the best Governor we ever had was Bob Miller, and he was a conservative Democrat. Unless the GOP offers those of us who are pragmatists a better candidate, we'll be voting Demo.
wow, can you say "BUSTED"?? sheesh...Once again Sharron Angle proves that compared to the Apple Brown Betty...The Apple Brown Betty is smarter.
Pug_nation: "Once again Sharron Angle proves that compared to the Apple Brown Betty...The Apple Brown Betty is smarter."
Couldn't have written a more true statement!
Right wingers and teabaggers are so out of touch that they can't see Sharron Angle for the train wreck she is.
It's sad that almost every one posting comments on this site is voting for a candidate based on negativity surrounding their opponent, and not the merits of the candidate they support.
Also there is a lot of talk about voting record... I was under the impression that senators were supposed to vote in alignment with the majority opinion of their constituency. It's a shame and should be somewhat of an outrage if this isn't true.
Honestly I don't think either candidate will represent Nevada well and it's sad that they are the only 2 choices.. I think the malicious, propaganda filled, advertisements on TV from both sides are a good representation of how pathetic this senate race has actually been. Getting rid of Harry Reid may change some of the voting policies of the Nevada seat (probably less then most of you think) but it's not going to offer the change our government really needs, which is a new perspective and dedication to the people and not to the political game.
She said it like she should have. All the "Sun loving liberals" can paint her as a crazy all you want. I want a crazy bi?!$& in Washington to go make some noise. I hope it is 99 to angle.
By willy-t
Oct. 3, 2010
2:24 p.m
pmontg53; nobody reads that crap you keep cutting and pasting. Don't you get it? Nobody cares what goes on in your little brain if you keep putting out the same trash every day. If you want to make an argument (although I certainly don't see anything in your previous postings that is in the least manner arguable) come up with something new and proveable. Othewise you are just wasting your time, because NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR LISTS OF CRAP!!!!
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Voted YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security.
Voting YEA would table (kill) the proposed amendment to prohibit illegal immigrants from receiving Social Security benefits. Voting NAY supports that prohibition, while voting YEA supports immigrants participating in Social Security. Text of amendment:
To reduce document fraud, prevent identity theft, and preserve the integrity of the Social Security system, by ensuring that persons who receive an adjustment of status under this bill are not able to receive Social Security benefits as a result of unlawful activity.
Proponents of the amendment say to vote NAY because:
The Immigration Reform bill would allow people to qualify for social security based on work they did while they were illegally present in the US and illegally working in the US. People who broke the law to come here and broke the law to work here can benefit from their conduct to collect social security.
In some cases, illegal immigrants may have stolen an American citizen's identity. They may have stolen an American's social security number to fraudulently work. This amendment corrects this problem.
Opponents of the amendment say to vote YEA because:
Americans understand that for years there are undocumented workers who have tried to follow our laws and be good neighbors and good citizens, and have paid into the Social Security Trust Fund.
Once that person regularizes his or her status, and as they proceed down the path to earned citizenship, they should have the benefit after having followed the law and made those contributions. That is fairness.
We should not steal their funds or empty their Social Security accounts. That is not fair. It does not reward their hard work or their financial contributions.
The amendment proposes to change existing law to prohibit an individual from gaining the benefit of any contributions made while the individual was in an undocumented status. I oppose this amendment and believe it is wrong.
SENATOR REID SHOULD RUN FOR AN ELECTION IN MEXICO
http://www.ontheissues.org/International...
willy- If you had your way, only Senator Reid supporters would have a voice. This is still America where I have to right to express what I believe. There is not one lie in what I reported on Senator Reid's illegal immigration stand. Your problem is that you could care less about the truth, and I really don't care about what you think, if I am wasting my time, what concern is it to you? Time you Senator Reid to get voted out of office- Vote for Sharron Angle
Angle: "The Republicans have lost their standards, they've lost their principles"..Really that's why the machine in the Republican Party is fighting against me."
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Get me Rewrite:
Angle: "The Republicans refuse to lower themselves to my ever-shifting, internally inconsistent, inflammatory standards, they've lost my incoherent principles"..Really that's why the machine in the Republican Party is fighting against me."
Because you are not qualified.
This is incredibly hilarious. Like gpc_dave points out, the worst enemy Sharron Angle has to fight against is not Senator Reid...but herself.
You people in the Nevada Republican Party really need to pay attention to Sharron Angle and keep pursuing your party line goals like she does. Because all I see right now is that Sharron Angle is already setting up excuses for why she is not only going to lose against Senator Reid...but she is going to be vaporized faster than the Vdara Death Ray hitting a tourist in the pool area there in City Center.
And also, as TonyCrago and others point out, there's this incredible mad scramble by Anglers (or whatever you call her supporters) to perform damage control. To try to get the unpreservable back on track. To try to get the unsalvageable back to some semblance of being mainstream and marketable to normal people. And they can't. Because if you were to vote for that idiot Angle, you'd have to either have received a recent frontal lobotomy or you were just released from a mental institution and granted your voter registration back by the Republican Party.
And they are madly pointing fingers all over the place. To even attempt to turn this whole debacle back against Senator Reid is pretty much the same as Godzilla accusing the citizens of Tokyo for letting him trample all their buildings and cause death and destruction. And the way this whole politics of the absurd is working out, the Republican Party of Nevada would stand a better chance voting for Godzilla. Hell, I'd vote for Godzilla. Even if he was Republican.
Really stupid. But the Republican Party of Nevada started this endgame of the ridiculous. And they are stuck with it. Nobody else to blame but their blind, ugly and utterly absurd hatred that left them with a substandard candidate.
I guess it's incredible difficult to be an ultra right wingnut here in Nevada. It causes knee jerk reactions like this.
But it proves to be entertaining.
I'm a lifelong Republican and a proud Republican. My Grandfather, God rest his sole was Republican and instilled in me some great values. Have there been times when we disagreed with our Republican Party? Well yes; of course! However, I expect so much more out of our leaders that represent our party. Those individuals that win primary elections on behalf of the GOP have an obligation to respect what so many of us stand for. We as Republicans will not agree 100% of the time, but it's been said that if we agree on 80% of the issues we're not enemies. Now we are seeing the continuation of the destruction of the Nevada GOP...so sad! I worked for over a decade on behalf of the Republican Party only to see it destroyed by individuals seeking personal power. If we lose in November we'll only have ourselves to blame--reading this article has to be an eye opener for so many that care deeply about the history of the Grand Old Party!
Maybe Angle would like everyone to get out of the race including Reid. The woman's an idiot. She idolizes Jim DeMint, one of the most narrow minded,mean spirited,religious, redneck Zealots from North or South Carolina.
This woman would be a disaster as a Senator for this country and Nevada and if anyone votes for her
then I would question their intelligence.
@Nathan Taylor -
Sorry, my man. It really is a pathetic spectacle. I grew up in the "I Like Ike" era, my dad and mom lifelong Republicans.
Hell, I voted for Nixon, and for George W. Bush's dad.
We have a real mess here.
Sharron Angle is her own worst enemy.
BOTTOM LINE.....
HARRY REID WINS.
Isn't recording conversations without permission illegal? And Jon Ralston just happend to acquire it? This whole thing smells of Democrat dirty tricks. This should bother any one with principles and ethics, no matter who you support in this election. This was a set up and utterly reprehensible.
Harry and his supporters are running away from his record and spending all their time demonizing a mom and grandma. Even if you don't agree with her on the all issues, if you're honest you have to acknowledge that she has spend years in public service. Unlike Reid, she has not made millions of dollars from serving the citizens of this State.
If I had any doubt about who to vote for, I don't now. I'm definitely voting for Sharron Angle.
Here's another good reason to vote for Reid and not Angle, the upcoming vote on approving Internet Gambling by the Senate and House and Reid's promise to stop the Bill from coming up for a vote. What power do you think Angle will have to do the same thing--ZERO.
Read this and scroll down to read about this towards the bottom:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/03/us/03v...
Excerpts from this tape will surely be on Reid's next series of ads. If Crazy Angle tries to suppress the tapes, then her lawyer's arguments to suppress will be in the ads. The Teabagger Crazy Angle is TOAST.
This train wreck just gets worse and worse, and still a long way to go before November 2nd.
Crazy Angle should use some of that 'GOP juice' and have Ensign's mommy pay Ashjian $96,000 in hush money. They could call it a 'gift' again.
Wow, this absolutely cannot get any %&$#ing better!
CLUELESS TEABAGGERS ARE A RIOT!
@DesertRock -
"Isn't recording conversations without permission illegal? And Jon Ralston just happend to acquire it? his whole thing smells of Democrat dirty tricks."
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Well, others have said that it is fact legal.
Democrat dirty tricks? I would think Ashjian was perhaps wearing a wire, and the clueless Sharron Mangle didn't have him checked. So, it's likely a Tea Bagger Dirty Trick.
Regardless, Mrs. "No backroom deals" is now busted big-time for core hypocrisy.
Gotta love it.
Ashjian was wired.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/10/04/n...
707!
Oh my gosh, BobbyG. I just read that link you posted.
Get out the popcorn. The greed of the Nevada Tea Party is totally revealed. And more will be forthcoming.
If you ask me, this is the straw that breaks the camel's back.
Sharron Angle will disintegrate in this upcoming election. Just based upon this debacle between her and Ashjian.
Is it true that one of the Strip casinos is taking bets on how it will be until Harry Reid says something else incredibly stupid?? How many mini-strokes has Reid had??
This is better than Harry could have dared to DREAM for.
This tops "Chickens for Checkups"!!!
The spin doctors are busy guzzling gallons of Red Bull...
It's gonna be a LOOONG NIGHT!
If Nevadan's are stupid enough to elect a whackjob like Sharron Angle then they deserve everything that comes with making that stupid decision. I mean, Harry Reid is nothing special and he's been pretty weak as a leader, but at least I can still take him seriously as a person. Angle on the other hand, is a sociopath who wouldn't get my vote if she were running for dog catcher.
And don't forget people, Angle is still tied with Harry Reid in the polls right now.
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Harry is 2-4 points ahead of crazy Angle.
By Nov., it will be 5-10 points.
Harry Reid is working harder than any Senator in
the U.S.
Angle is worse than Bush.
Only a complete wingnut would conspire to remove voters' access to candidates. Sharron's sleazy backroom deals and her begging and pleading to the Tea Party candidate shows her as the DESPERATE candidate she is!
Voters should be able to vote for whomever they want in November. Sounds like Ashjian wasn't willing to compromise his beliefs to join the republican party, but Sharron was willing and able to throw away her ideals and beliefs to win an election.
And now she's demanding HE drop out? Shouldn't the candidate who sold her soul to the Washington GOP establishment drop out, instead?
Sharron saw the republican gravy train passing through and she threw away her morals and beliefs to jump on it. She has no right to criticize Ashjian for giving voters a choice.
Sharron Angle is exactly what the Republicans and the Tea Party deserve. The Tea Party members need to realize that we are free now, otherwise they could not exist. They need to study history to really discover what colonial politicians (yes, they were politicians!) would tell us to do now. No one has a clue as the founders would not understand what the country that they created has become. We tried to overthrow the government before and failed. Anybody remember the Symbianese Liberation Army and the kidnapping of Patty Hearst? The Black Panthers? Malcolm X?Besides as The Who sings in We Won't Get Fooled Again: "We made all the new laws, the same as the old laws" (sic). It will make no difference to us Nevadans who is elected. As Mrs. Angle has already learned, you will play by the rules or you will not play at all. And as we all know, it's pay to play, as in pay me.
I would like to hear an opposing view to what I am going to say...okay, guys & girls?
Neither party has solutions or a clue.
If the Republicans get House / Senate control, there will be two years (minimum) of dead-lock with presidential vetoes galore and both parties will get paid for blaming each other.
Also, the "wealthy elite class" will continue to hoard, stifle little man competition and crash the economy beyond repair in less than a year (Bush-baby style).
If the Democrats retain or gain greater control, the spending will continue to grow until it hits the moon (maybe Mars) and the next two years will sound like a bathroom toilet with a broken stopper.
So what do you think? ...still in a big hurry to rush to the voting booth in November?
Sharron Angle does not have a chance. The excerpts show that she is just another cynical politician with nothing new to offer.
Harry Reid is a competent lawyer and lawmaker. If the Republicans drove us into this economic and political ditch over the past 30 years, we don't need a lunatics like Angle and O'Donnell in charge. What Angle means by "shake things up" should be understood as "messing things up even more."
Not even in his wildest dreams could Harry Reid have hoped to be matched up against a buffoon like Sharron Angle. She's a treasure trove of idiocy that Nevadans will never forget.
You crazy teabaggers have done it again!
More hot reporting. I hope this goes national. I'm going to have to turn this into a pod cast so I can listen while I'm jogging. Great entertainment.
Ziser lost big time. So did his person-hood ballot question. The only thing Ziser won, was the anti-gay marriage question he pushed through with the help of talk-radio ranter Alan Stock.. That was to get the right wing to come out any vote for Bush. How much money could Nevada got in tourist dollars if we were the first State to have gay marriage?
Ashijian deserves his day in the sun. I think he'll take a few votes away from Reid as well.
I love it to hear Republican hypocrites in the morning. HA HA HA I'm so happy, the best is yet to come.
Someone should ask Steele about this. Where is he hiding. Do you think Hannity will talk about this??? I would like to hear Ashijian interviewed on National TV...
Also where's Gibbons and the CHicken Lady??? Have they endorsed Angle? Despite what the doctor says, I think Gibbons hip fracture is worse than they say, check out web MD on hip fractures.
Stoopid!! Power hungry, backdoor dealing, promising favors before she gets into office.
I thought Sarah Palin was dumb. Angles not even smart enough to be a substitiute teacher in Reno..
I wonder what the GOP has to say about this? As they say back on the farm dont count your chickens before the eggs. In Novemember she can make lemonade out of lemons back in Reno.
Just heard the tape on Chuck Todd's MSNBC show. Scott needs a better recorder, (should have used a Uher like Nixon.)
I bet Angle makes the worst person in the world tonight hah hah
Hey Scott don't "withdraw, stay in and drive 'em crazy!"
I'm writing a check.
I agree, mred. Angle AGAIN will make Worst Person in the Worrrrrrrrrrrrrrllllllllllllld!
If not, guarantee her cadaverous mug will be on the screen sometime during Keith's show.
Which is of use to scare children into behaving. Mother: "See?!?!? IF you DON'T eat your carrots, THAT'S what you'll end up looking like!!!!"
Angle needs to win not for Nevada but the country. Harry the sleaze needs ousted.
The GOP created the twisted hybrid Tea Party, simply because of their uber narrow-mindedness. They need to take responsibility for this, get a reality check and re-engineer this party before its mascot goes the way of the dodo bird!!!
The Republican Party decided to pander to the craziest segment of their constituency purely for vote-getting purposes...now the crazies are out of the asylum and the GOP can't figure out how to stuff them back inside and lock the doors. Way to go, Republicans...ye shall reap what ye have sown...and you surely have. Crazy Sharron Angle, Crazy Sarah Palin, Crazy Rand Paul...and now that big cosmic pie has come whipping around to smack you square in the face...how's that for Karma?
The Las Vegas Review Journal endorses Sharron Angle: did any of you Reid butt end for a joke hear about this endorsement? Personally I could care less about this tape, I don't trust Senator Reid, Sinester Reid is getting desperate, really crap like this turn the public against Senator Reid, this set up want work. Vote for Angle
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Anyone else voting for Ashjian? He probably is the best candidate.
Mr. Taylor,
You are a rare breed: a sane moderate conservative in the mold of Presidents Teddy Roosevelt and Eisenhower. These men were good presidents who recognized problems and worked to solve them. Their main focus was on doing things to improve the lives of the American people. Eisenhower was the forefather of modern communications via satellite technology. America's first satellite was launched during his time in office. He was also a transportation visionary. It is because of his efforts that we have the national interstate system. And though it would be hard for many republicans today to believe, Eisenhower wanted a national healthcare system. Eisenhower warned of the danger of the military-industrial complex becoming too powerful. He was warning of exactly what is happening in our government today: huge corporations are now essentially "members" of our military and are operating in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan, committing crimes in our name, and we spend billions each year to keep this beast fed as it consumes more and more of our tax dollars.
President Teddy Roosevelt broke the death grip huge corporations had on America's resources and worked to prevent the corruption he saw occurring in them, something that many republicans identify today as an "attack" on the free market. Roosevelt knew they posed a danger to American citizens as they sought to reduce competition and concentrate the nation's money into the hands of a few powerful individuals. Roosevelt also believed in conservation and protecting our environment. He began our national parks system. Roosevelt also believe in inclusion. He was the first president to appoint African Americans to key positions in government.
Few of the qualities that these republicans had can be seen in the members of the Republican Party as it exists today. Personal desire and the accumulation of power seem to be the most important thing for them today. This is just sad. The party that did so many great things for America in the past seems to have disappeared. Moderate republicans need to take their party away from those who make it less than it could be. America needs you.
"Juice with Jim DeMint and Tom Coburn". About says it all. Then she can go say
hello to this Tea Party favorite in the House:
For many years now the CDC has conducted random telephone surveys to get info on our eating habits. But now, since it's Obama's CDC, a wingnut has decided it's a plot to take over our freedoms. Never one to miss an opportunity to scare constituents, Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA) warned his senior citizen dominated audience of the nefarious plot:
BROUN: I tell ya, we've got some new problems in Washington. Big problems. Just today, Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta said people in America are not eating enough fruits and vegetables. They want to give all the power to the federal government to force you to eat more fruits and vegetables. This is what the federal, CDC, they gonna be calling you to make sure you eat fruits and vegetables, every day. This is socialism of the highest order!"
ps - Broun is another of the GOP MDs who have given up medicine for career in politics. Good thing for the AMA.
And while we're at it, Angle's hollow cliche-filled rhetoric will find a wonderful companion in Rand Paul, if he's elected:
PAUL: I think first of all, you look at whose money it is. It's the people's money, who earn the money, and we give up some to pay taxes. So I'm not seeing that as a cost to government. But I will immediately introduce bills to reduce spending. I think we should offset it. So I'm not opposed to introducing bills to reduce spending.
WALLACE: There's no way you're going to get $4 trillion by spending cuts.
PAUL: We're going to introduce legislation that will reduce spending. I'm going to introduce legislation that will balance the budget. We will have a balanced budget amendment introduced if I'm elected. We will also have a balanced budget that will be introduced if I'm elected. (Fox News Sunday, debate)
pmontg53; I advised you yesterday to quit posting your crappy lists every day. NOBODY CARES!!!!
It's funny to hear people here criticizing Angle for a backroom meeting, as if Reid has never done that. Hilarious.
Look, Angle may not be the slickest candidate in Nevada history, but Reid is pure sh*t, PURE SH*T.
Nevada you have no choice. You want to improve things, vote CHANGE and vote Reid out.
He is the slimiest, sickest thing we've had in the Senate outside of Ted Kennedy in ages.
And what Angle said in tape was right on. Ashjian is just a slimeball too, taping a meeting like that.
She's a better person than Reid, although just not as slick.
THINK, before you send Reid back for another SIX years. Enjoy your 14% unemployment.
I just read this article today.
What an embarrassment!!!
American politicians are worse than Canadian lawyers.
President Obama used disgusting backroom deals to "win" the health care reform bill vote, and by doing so, revealed that, despite his great oratorical skills, he is just another slimy politician.
Now this naive moron Sharron Angle, as if she was not in enough controversy, tries to play Mrs. Big Shot by promising to use her "juice" to assist the new fool Ashjian.
Unfortunately, this likely means that Harry Reid, one of the real "old boys" will easily win re-election. I wonder if he is purchasing his "victory speech" champagne today, thanks to this gift from Sharron Angle.
@Sapwolf -
"It's funny to hear people here criticizing Angle for a backroom meeting, as if Reid has never done that."
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Tu quoque? She's on record as saying how SHE'S different and would never do "secret backroom deals."
She's also on record, recall, as saying "two wrongs don't make a right."
Punked. http://sharronangle.blogspot.com
I see Sharron is already backtracking and blaming others for her impending loss. C'mon Sharron tell us the good stuff--you know the good stuff before the national GOP told you to stiffle. If you hate them so, ignore them and rant on with you nonsense.
BTW, you still collect government money every month. When will it stop? Explain to us why you didn't get your husband to get a "REAL JOB" instead of a government job.
And, which of the mandates did YOU or hubby or kids use? If any, pay it back WITH INTEREST NOW!!!!
Wow. The longer this campaign goes on the stranger this woman gets.
Her health care is provided by the government via her husband's government service, but she want to privatize the VA.
She does not think insurance companies should be required to cover basic preventive medical tests that in the long run saves lives and millions of dollars.
She wants raped pregnant women to "make lemonade."
She wants to eliminate the Dept. of Education and the EPA.
She wants to open the nuclear waste dump at Yucca Mountain.
And now suggesting a backroom deal, after denouncing them.
I don't know about you, but I would avoid Jim Demint's "juice." Sounds downright sleazy.
Thank you Margie Robinson for your great letter about the great Republican leaders like Teddy Roosevelt and Ike. Of course today, both Teddy and Ike would be seen by right wing Republicans as "socialists."
This election is a joke. Harry Reid will not win re-election but Sharron Angle will lose. Reminds me of the 2004 presidential election where George Bush would not have been re-elected had Kerry not blown it. Kerry did and Bush won by default. Reid will win by default.
Back room deals & Payoffs that Harry Reid does all the time is different then setting up meetings.
If setting up meetings really meant something to all of the critics here then you would have railed out Pelosi, Obama and Reid long, long ago. Union Leaders are the #1 Visitors to the White House yet you don't mention a peep about that.
Hypocrites...
But that's the problem with Left Wind Socialist Progressives -- double standards and you'll do whatever it takes because the ends justify the means.
By willy-t
Oct. 4, 2010
9:23 a.m.
Suggest removal pmontg53; I advised you yesterday to quit posting your crappy lists every day. NOBODY CARES!!!!
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Willy-t. No thanks I want be taking any advice from you, what you call my crappy list is what Nevada's voters need to know about Senator Reid's record on Immigration, we do disagree politically, and I will try my best to show a side of Senator Reid that he would not want the public to know about. As a Veteran, I take national security as a priority. I Borders are not being protected from drug cartels operating on the Mexican side of the borders, and yes U.S Citizens are being killed, and their property destroyed. Illegal immigrants are flooding the United States, taking advantage of the 14th amendment to the constitution- which gave my ancestor's the right to vote, the 14 was written, and pasted by a 100% Republican Senate, 80% on the Democratic Party voted to keep blacks in slavery. Now in 2010 blacks are still in slavery to the democratic idea, let the Government take care of you. That is a bunch of bull. Blacks are on Senator Reid's plantation. Now to refresh your memory-.
Senator Reid's record stinks:
Can you believe how Senator Reid Voted on Illegal Immigration: doe's this sound like a Man who cares about his country?
Voted YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. (May 2006)
Voted NO on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006)
Voted NO on limit welfare for immigrants. (Jun 1997)
Voted NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government. (Jun 2007)
Reject photo ID requirements for voting. (Sep 2005)
Voted YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities". (Mar 2008)
Voted NO on requiring photo ID to vote in federal elections. (Jul 2007)
http://www.ontheissues.org/International......
http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/harry_...
Senator Harry Reid- what a guy, vote for Sharron Angle
By IrvingMoskowitz
Oct. 3, 2010
8:44 p.m.
Suggest removal @pmontg53
How about you?
How about addressing the extraordinarily embarrassing, revealing, and hypocritical statements made by Sharron Angle during her meeting with Scott Ashjian, instead of posting yet another one of your lists which no one reads, in the first place, and which are always completely unrelated to the blog topic, in the second.
Alternatively, please just go away or find a wingnut echo chamber somewhere where I'm sure that they would probably just love those lists of yours.
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Here is where I stand on this issue, Senator Reid has played dirty for far too long, to me it's simple. Maybe Sharron Angle was too gullible in trusting the Reid's bait; that does not make her a crook. I voted for Senator Reid when he cared about Nevada, since he became majority leader he has lost his political senses. I want stand by and see the United States of America become a 3rd world country, and I will do whatever I can to help keep America free, I'm sure that a lot of U.S Veterans feel the same way. As far as Ralston's article, they are designed strategic attacks, and in some cases outright lies about Sharron Angle. The Democratic Party is the party that voted against my people being free, and now under Senator Reid it's the same thing. When you respond I will break it down to ya, so that even your dog can understand it. My black brother, and sister demoslave need to get off Senator Reid's plantation.
Scott Ashjian looks like a winner to Me,
The foot in mouth Sharron Angle is a real loser.
Of course today, both Teddy and Ike would be seen by right wing Republicans as "socialists."
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I enjoy being called a "socialist Fascist" by Tea Partiers myself, you betcha..
:-)
The truth is, you could run a ham sandwich against any Democrat and win this November.
pmontg53; I don't give a crap about your repeatedly boring lists and I doubt that many others do either. As far as being a veteran, I did my thirty and retired as an E-9, how about you? And being black, white, red, yellow or green don't make any difference in my politics.
Angle is a radical wingnut, and the Republican Tea Party of today is funded, managed and directed by it's plantation bosses (to use your terms), Big Business, Big Oil, Faux News, the Religious Right, and radical rightwing radio shock jocks like Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, et.al. There was a time when it was possible for reasonable people to discuss issues in a civilized manor, but with the rise of the Neo-Cons and now the Tea Baggers, the far-right has almost completely taken over a once proud organization.
It's all the more evident by the quality of candidates they put forth for the November election. Angle, O'Donnell, Paul, extremists all. Harry Reid has done more for Nevada than all of these dolts could do in two lifetimes. Your blind hatred for the man leads me to believe that you might have a personal grudge against him. What did he ever do to you?
You, Future, solsinner, SgtRock and the rest are like lost souls, crying in the wind. Why don't you all go back to watching Faux news to get your talking points for tomorrow?
Sapwolf says: "It's funny to hear people here criticizing Angle for a backroom meeting, as if Reid has never done that. Hilarious."
You are making an assumption about Senator Reid. You have no proof.
Sharron Angle, however, has done a backroom meeting, dealing out influence, influence she doesn't even have, and there is proof of what she did.
Really stupid of you to insinuate because a moron like Sharron Angle does this stuff openly, and somehow, in some left turn of logic that don't make sense, you transfer it to Senator Reid?
Really a far reach there. This is about Sharron Angle. She did stuff that the Tea Party people and the Republicans always play the moral majority and say they don't do. Now, she got caught and you just wave it away, tsk tsk, don't do as we do, do as we say.
Hypocrital. You're way out there, Sapwolf. But that's okay. Typical Tea Party go into that barking, snarling chihuahua attack dog mode at the drop of a hat.
Back in 1970, Senator Roman Hruska of Nebraska defended the (unsuccessful) nomination of Harold Carswell to the Supreme Court. Critics claimed that Carswell had had a mediocre record on the bench. Hruska countered "So? there are a lot of mediocre people in this country. Don't they deserve a little representation too? We can't all be Brandeises."
That is the essence of some of this bleating support for the likes of Sharron Angle and Christine O'Donnell. In the latter case, O'Donnell's supporter tout her messed-up life history and simplistic views as a VIRTUE! That it shows that she's just a "normal American, struggling with all the problems."
LOL.
solsinner says: "Many in the GOP are also no different than the Dems, namely, Mccain, and Lindsey Graham. These rinos have damaged the country just as the Dems have.
Sharron is going to work for the people, not for the GOP elites, or the allow the Dem elites to continue to wreck the country."
I laughed like crazy reading this latest spin.
Because everything solsinner has said before was always Democrats are going away, they failed us, blah blah blah blah. Republicans are the best thing that happened since the invention of cream cheese.
Now, a dilemma has occurred. solsinner's savior of the free world has just been proven to conduct backroom deals. And Sharron Angle has went on record, spouting time and time again she would never do stuff like that. And even accused Senator Reid of this.
And the dilemma for solsinner's justification of Sharron Angle is...TO THROW THE REPUBLICANS UNDER THE BUS!
Sharron Angle did this and has been proven she is not morally pristine as she says she is. Not moral majority at all. More like moronic minority.
So solsinner there goes ahead and slams every Democrat on the planet as well as other Republicans who he claims are RINOs and God know who else. Might as well blame giraffes too. Because they look at you funny.
Really dumb if you ask me. The hypocrisy continues. Deflect it here. Deflect it there. But under no circumstance, are Tea Partiers permitted to say they were mislead by their stupid candidate who is pretty much pond scum like Senator Ensign.
ColinFromLasVegas,
No proof of backroom meetings?!? Just what do you call the Cornhusker Kickback or the Louisiana Purchase?
Reid's job as Majority Leader, as practiced by him (and granted many others) is almost the definition of influence brokering.
And there are still rumors about Reid helping Sandoval be confirmed on the federal bench just so he wouldn't run against Reid. Reid appears to be as crooked as they come, and his son Rory is no better.
So, boftx, tu quoque?
i.e., it doesn't matter that Angle does it, because Reid does?
No, BobbyG, I won't get on that band wagon. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it. I just don't like it when people ignore short-comings in their own favorite.
I dearly wish that our election laws in Nevada would be changed so that if "None of these candidates" got more votes than the top candidate we would have a new election with new candidates.
I'd wager it could show a respectable second place this year, if not outright win.
"Will AT LEAST one teabagger/Angle supporter/Angle sycophant/Angle apologist/Angle campaign employee (Angle campaign employee, gbigs aka pjoke aka solsinner, that's your cue) kindly address the extraordinarily embarrassing statements made by Angle as revealed in John Ralston's post, you know, the SUBJECT of this blog?"
Will AT LEAST one reader notice the extraordinarily similarity of style between irvingmoskowitz and the self proclaimed "lawyer" zumabound and connect the dots between the censorship on this newspaper, staged incidents like this one and the constant barrage of lies etc. by various shills? I doubt it, but it's not my future ...
I wonder how the Republicans are going to view her this Wednesday in Washington.
Sharron keeps giving to Harry. It's not Scott Ashjian that is giving Harry votes, it's Sharron Angle. Then again, if she wins, she's going to straighten out Washington.
So, what's Jon Ralston going to talk about tonight? I can't wait.
@boftx -
Believe me, Reid is not my "favorite." I'm one who wishes there was another slate of alternatives.
This woman is an absolute and total disaster. When you listen to all the nonsense that comes out of her mouth you begin to realize that she wants to be the decider. She will tell you whats good for you and thats that. If you dont listen to her then that is tough on you.
I have 2 words for her and its call a Bronx Cheer.
As many mistakes, soundbites, bad position statements as Angle has made since the primary, I would have expected her behind by double digits by now. One can only wonder why that is not happening if she is such an extreme politician.
As for the tape, I hope Ashjian has a good attorney because I see more legal issues arising as a result of violating the recording laws of this state.
As I see it, true Republicans have a clear choice in the upcoming election. If you really don't like Reid, you can vote for 'none of the above.' Voting for Angle will bother your conscience for years to come. She is already a national laughing stock. Don't let her make the whole state a laughing stock. The good people of Nevada deserve better. This latest revelation is enough to turn one's stomach.
@Danno -
Well, if you look back, she last LOST her early double-digit lead of Harry Reid, as more and more people learned just what a ditz she is. A recent NV GOP poll indicated that 2/3 of Republicans in NV wish she was not the candidate.
The relative proportions of unshakeable partisans is now pretty fixed, with the small leftover cohort of "undecideds" being key.
Also, I have read that under NV law a party to a private conversation may legally record it without others' knowledge, but a 3rd party may not.
GOP spinmeisters are liable to screw themselves right into the ground trying to make this one go away...what a load of imbeciles the Party of NO has trotted out as candidates...the new Republikan logo reads: Dingbats R' Us......
Willie-t... An I don't give a crap about what you think, say, or feel. I have no personal grudge against Senator Reid except for the fact that he can't be trusted, he would easily win an election in Mexico. I'm not posting here to entertain you, if you're bored, take you marbles, and go home
Are you guys naive, innocent or both? This "secret" (not much if journalists have tapes) deal is only to make sure Reid is defeated. You think Reid has not done the same and gave "juice" to Ash? At least we have a tape, and honestly, I'd like to have tapes like this from every conversation politicians have. This guy has been planted only to separate and conquer, mr Reid is an old fox and knows lots of tricks. The Tea Party of Nevada was rejected by most tea partiers in Nevada
We need to retire Reid now, even if Angle is a bad option (not for me), she is going to be a junior senator with not much power, and she can and should be removed after her first cycle.
BTW, you married couples never have a private conversation on how to handle a problem together for the benefit of the family? I'm not talking about briving your kids so they can side with you on a matter against your significant other, that's what I'm against since those are the secret deals that were done in order to pass Obamacare.
In addition, our founding fathers have this private conversations before going public, remember the famous Benjamin Franklin phrase when he was asked what kind of gov't America got, to which he answered "a republic, if you can keep it", they came up with that privately.
"Once again, all anyone has to do in order to make Sharron Angle look bad is quote her."
Harry Reid ain't no William Jennings Bryan ya know. That guy has more gaffes than Norm Crosby.
"Thank you Margie Robinson for your great letter about the great Republican leaders like Teddy Roosevelt and Ike. Of course today, both Teddy and Ike would be seen by right wing Republicans as 'socialists.'"
Uh....did you know it was Ike that was responsible for the formation of the bill later to be known as the Civil Rights Act? And if it weren't for LBJ that bill would have passed about 10 years earlier?
And Teddy Roosevelt was a raging progressive despite being a GOP member.
And just for your edification if JFK was alive and running for president right now he'd be labeled a "teabagger." Look at the evil things he said about taxes and the economy...see below:
"Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased -- not a reduced -- flow of revenues to the federal government."
-- John F. Kennedy, Jan. 17, 1963, annual budget message to the Congress, fiscal year 1964
I wouldn't call the five viewers of CNN and CNBC "national."
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Wow. Just on what planet can these comments by Sharron Angle be considered a negative for her? She's firmly established her bonafides as an outsider from either the ineffectual Republican establishment and the Reid-ian corruption of today's Socialist-Democrats.
In the meantime Ms. Angle exposes this Ashjian joker for what he is, namely a political opportunist trying to exploit the easily-duped into believing he holds the values of the Tea Party.
Oh, she's involved in some pay-for-play scheme involving juice? Yeah, just try and sell that one. For all but the most rabid Reidophytes (who themselves are engaged in some seriously pathological projection), all this means is that she'll go to Washington to espouse the same believes as Sens DeMint et al. hold.
Nice try, apparatchiks of the Nevada Democrats. Reid's still going down, and this exposure is only going to hasten his political demise.
@CJS-
Denial is not merely a river in Egypt.
Little Mrs Pious "No Secret Backroom Deals Ever" has just been punked. With the added chutzpah of not even awaiting election to start trying to cut deals.
Add one more nail.
http://sharronangle.blogspot.com
With this recording Crazy Angle has out-chickened the chicken lady, Sue Lowden.
'Juice'? Who does Angle think she is anyway, John Ensign?
The GOP keeps sticking their fingers in their ears and yelling "Socialism!" and "Tax & spend!" But if they get in, how will it be any better than last time when they decided to invade Iraq with no justification and spend, spend, spend AND lower taxes? That and their good buddies on Wall Street brought us to the biggest crash since the Great Depression. Then they slink away and when the Dems get in, they try to block everything the Dems do to fix the mess and then try to blame the mess on the Dems. If you have ever depended on or expect to depend on Social Security, Unemployment, health care, the Veterans' Administration or government student loans, then you better get out and vote in November! These GOP/TPers are dangerous!
I noticed that the programs for Ed Schultz, Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews on MSNBC all jumped on this Ashjian recording, LastThroes.
The arrogance of this clown. She's sitting there like she's already doling out favors...like she won.
But what is hilarious is the revelation of this widely played recording is slamming her left and right.
I don't watch, but I wonder what Fox PORNO (Political Organization-Republican News Only) News is saying about this. Oh. Wait. Let me guess. They are probably splicing and heavily editing it to try to shed her in a better light. Either that or they will turn it into something that says Senator Reid did this, he did that, he's bad, he's horrible, hate him, HATE ON HIM, blah blah woof woof stuff. Either that, or they'll ignore it. Pretty predictable.
Angle is the gift that keeps on giving.
She was toast BEFORE THIS MESS. WOW.
YAWN. How bout some coverage on the other people running for offices jon boy. Earn your pay. In my day you'd be on the unemployment line.
I thought the Teabaggers were against "back room deals"?
Pfft, Angle is an unstable sociopath who has no business whatsoever holding elected office. I wouldn't vote for her as dog catcher, let alone Senator.
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Even Plain knew to stay away from Crazy Angle.
"I would like to hear an opposing view to what I am going to say...okay, guys & girls?
Neither party has solutions or a clue.
If the Republicans get House / Senate control, there will be two years (minimum) of dead-lock with presidential vetoes galore and both parties will get paid for blaming each other.
Also, the "wealthy elite class" will continue to hoard, stifle little man competition and crash the economy beyond repair in less than a year (Bush-baby style).
If the Democrats retain or gain greater control, the spending will continue to grow until it hits the moon (maybe Mars) and the next two years will sound like a bathroom toilet with a broken stopper.
So what do you think? ...still in a big hurry to rush to the voting booth in November?"
It's quite obvious then, that the only interesting candidates are the ones, that are not controlled by the establishment of either party and they can be spotted quite easily by looking at the media "support".
"In the meantime Ms. Angle exposes this Ashjian joker for what he is, namely a political opportunist trying to exploit the easily-duped into believing he holds the values of the Tea Party."
Reid & co are trying to expose the general voting public as the suckers, that they believe they are, which is a great move from almost every perspective in the end, because according to their intelligence level the people will get what they deserve.
"Ms. Angle exposes this Ashjian joker for what he is, namely a political opportunist trying to exploit the easily-duped"
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Like, uh, Sharron Mangle?
I am new to this forum but one thing I noticed right away was how few commenter there are. If you look at the right side of the page you will see that there are about 5 people making all of the comments. And knowing Reid's methods I would expect several of them to be the same person. As to Angle's comments, just think for a minute about what she said. She said that the Republican party has lost its principles and is not as conservative as it once was. Imaging hearing Harry Reid on a hidden tape saying anything about how great the Demorats are or how much he really likes Obama who does not speak with a negro dialect. Angle did not make a deal but only offered to introduce the halfassed Assjam to someone that might be able to address his issues politically. Not like Slick Willie and Obama with Sestak in Pa. or Bennet's opponent in Co. They were offering real jobs and position. Do any of you Reid sycophants really think that rivals against a common enemy never discuss joining forces to defeat them? If you are going to write comments at least get your facts straight.
For a long time now I have felt that the Republican Party has lost it's way and until they come back to their conservative roots, I will not be contributing to them.
Her only mistake was to trust Ashjean who has proven that he is definitely not trustworthy and is just a puppet for Harry Reid. Looks like he set up this meeting for the sole purpose of taping Mrs Angle and then immediately turning it over th Ralston who has always been in harry's pocket.
For her to try to obtain votes is nothing but good campaigning!!
INSPECTORRUDY; you may be new to the forum but it's obvious which side of the political spectrum you fall on. REPUBLITARD.
...give it up, give it up, Angle, give it up...
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xkew5_k...
@SocialismDestroys-
You need to re-take invective skool kindergarten. Can you not think of any flames more imaginative than those?
xoxoxo
Spare me. I am quite gainfully and productively employed.
http://sharronangle.blogspot.com
"---Angle's claim to have taken over the Washoe County Republican Party and having her "guys" in the Clark County GOP"
This is the exact reason Ms. Angle doesn't want to debate Sen. Reid. Ms. Angle provides more and more ammo to Sen. Reid every time she speaks her mind. This is not to say that Sen Reid has never placed his foot firmly in his mouth, but everyone that knows him is well aware that he is a good and decent man. I have never met Ms. Angle, but between her on and off the record comments, I will openly express my doubts about her ability to represent the people of Nevada in a fair and equatable manner.
When Sen. Reid was one of the member of the Gaming Control Board, it was their job to clean up the gaming industry that was run by the "Mob". It seems like now he's up against a slightly different "Mob".