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Thursday, May 31, 2012 | 2:01 a.m.
In his May 28 letter, Richard J. Mundy claims Mitt Romney did not have job creation as his main motivation at Bain Capital. He says it was all about making money.
He’s right.
In 1978, I invested $135,000 in a startup company in an undeveloped industry. We were the pioneers. This business grew at an unbelievable rate. The company was three times in Fortune Magazine’s 100 fastest growing privately-held American companies in our first eight years. Currently, the company has 1,500 employees and 650 dealers in all 50 states and provinces in Canada as well as 250 more in 40 other foreign countries. We worked day and night, and most weekends, to make it all happen.
Other companies got into the business, perhaps now as many as 80-90 manufacturers. We still maintain our reputation as the prime manufacturer, and we dominate the industry with around 35 percent of the market share.
When you count our employees, the suppliers for our manufacturing services and materials, and the 900 dealers, who have an average of 10 employees, it’s fair to say my initial investment created at least 10,000 new jobs. We won’t take credit for the rest of the industry, just the ones we directly affected.
We are very happy and proud for all the good we did, but we really did it for the money!
That’s how it works. Good things happen when capitalism flourishes. That’s my story, and it is Mitt Romney’s, as well.
“Greedy” capitalists do good work for everybody.
Simply put when someone see that people want a product or service that they can not do them self -- then the capital idea is for a small business that can cost effectively deliver that product or service and to hire people to produce that product or deliver that service. The owner of the business makes a living wage for his family.
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Obama is not running on his record so all his ads are bad faith ressentiment character assassination and vilification of an honest family man Mitt Romney - right out of the Sal Alinsky play book (5. "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon.")
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Now Obama is flip-flopping on his demonization of capital formation, including private equity, and venture Capital.
After many Democrats rejected the Obama character assassination of Bain - calling it nauseating - Obama flip-flopped to say that running a multi-million dollar enterprise is like being just a plumber; does not qualify you for President like being a community organizer does.
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Obama is fond of say Obama wants to have a "Fair" opportunity for Americans and not go back to the Policies under Bush.
* Obama backs Teachers Unions over giving kids a fair education. -- is that fair
* Obama favors his selected crony green businesses over a fair marketplace for other private businesses -- is that fair
* Obama demands that under Obamacare some people have to subsidy other peoples fair share. -- is that fair
* Obama used the trillion dollar Stimulus as payola for campaign payback rewards. -- is that fair
* Obama encourages living on entitlements like food stamps over tax paying workers. -- is that fair
. Obama gives Planned Parenthood $500 million a year and the run campaign ads against Romney -- it that fair
OT Neal describes a highly successful business he started up that blossomed into profits and jobs, and was three times listed in the Fortune 100's fastest growing privately held American companies. While Neal attributes this feat to make money, without any remorse, it is clear that an achievement of this nature required taking the risk of investing $135,000, and the drive and competence to achieve a dream.
Under the present Obama administration with all of its regulatory burdens and the current business climate filled with tax and healthcare uncertainties it is highly doubtful that Neal would have found the risk taking climate friendly enough to initiate his business, and achieve the success that he did. At least this is the mind set of Bernie Marcus, one of the founding members of the retail business giant Home Depot that was a startup in 1978.
Marcus indicates that president Obama has never held a real job, and is totally without the experience and knowledge required to understand and lead in the quest for reviving the economy. Worse yet, Marcus maintains that Obama has surrounded himself with academics who likewise have never held real jobs or been responsible for meeting a payroll and living within the constraints of a budget.
With individuals like these leading the executive branch is it any wonder that we are bogged down and making little headway in reviving our economy?
O.T.,
Whether it's business start-up capital or capital used to expand it's business, companies are focused on sustaining and growing long-term. How do companies grow? Beyond the obvious which is a quality product or service desired by consumers, a company grows by taking its earned profits and with a growth strategy use the funds to add capacity and execute a strategic plan to grow sales. Profits are between 4%-8% as a percent of GDP. If profits are not used to increase sales then the company does not grow and there is no job growth. It's that simple. Consumption is 70% of economy but a large portion of the remaining GDP is derived from these sales growth strategies called private investment. During recessions, private investment is typically between 10%-13% of GDP. At full employment, private investment is typically 16% plus. Private investment expenditures are required to add capacity for things such as a building, tools, machines, new factories or inventories. What high union wages, high taxes and high inflation rates do is eat into profits causing a company not to grow. Companies just don't grow by putting signs outside its facilities stating "buy more from us", it takes a strategy and investment. Our economy requires an annual GDP growth rate of 3.2% just to supply jobs for new entrants into the workforce. This doesn't happen without companies expanding and growing their business. Since 1948, the US GDP annual growth rate averaged 3.23% compared to Europe's .39%. Why the difference? Higher tax rates and higher legacy costs(healthcare fees and other benefit-related costs for its current employees and retired pensioners) hinders Europe's economic growth.
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Simply put, democrats want to tax businesses and consumers more to pay for out of control entitlement costs which have grown from $984 billion in 1990 to $2.4 trillion this year which is an unsustainable pace. Businesses want our government to get these costs under control because they know if these cost continue to sky-rocket it will leave less money for consumers and less profit for businesses to fund its growth initiatives. Less money in consumers hands combined with smaller business profits from higher tax rates will lead to smaller economic growth. Remember, historically, our GDP growth rate post-WW II has been 3.23% per year and we require a 3.2% GDP growth rate yearly just to supply jobs for new entrants into our workforce. If our GDP growth rate dips then we start failing to supply enough jobs to 18 year olds and college grads. Our current GDP growth rate is around 2% which is not enough to supply jobs to new workforce entrants. We need investors, business owners and new entrepreneurs to expand our economy and create jobs. As a country we need to decide our future, are we going to be a nation that continues to grow and prosper economically or do we switch to Europe's entitlement model of slow growth, higher tax rates for those still employed and more jobless Americans? We need to choose.
Richard Mundy has to work even less now that his government check is direct deposited. He has more time to envy those who make more money.
"Greedy" capitalists do good work for everybody?
Not necessrily and certainly not always. Or have we forgotten the mortgage and credit crisis that caused the Great Recession. Job creation from this "good work" was negative 8 million jobs.
When Democrats put up their money to make money, it's called doing the social good. When Republicans do, it's called greedy and selfish. Blame the liberal media for the double standard.
Carmine A. DiFazio
"run his campaign and promise nothing but hot air and scorched earth remedies. only fools and the ignorant would vote for this fraud." Dip
Describes the last 4 years and O's base.
Carmine A. DiFazio
"Or have we forgotten the mortgage and credit crisis that caused the Great Recession."
No sir. We remember well, how can we forget? We don't just blame Bush2 and GOP like you and those who think like you. We put the fault where it rightly belongs. With Congress and presidents of both parties over many many years.
Carmine A. DiFazio
'Greedy' people can do good work...by chance. But most of the time they don't.
You waste your time, energy and breath on the functionally illiterate economic drones who generally don't have two dimes to rub together but believe they can figure out how to run a business. They also generally have never had the guts, intelligence or background to risk their own money (however little they possess) in opening a business. Generally, they are envious of those of us who were willing to take a chance, they covet what we earned and our success and are frustrated at their low station in life. Generally, they are parasites; living off the hard work and efforts of others. Generally, they are insignificant drones who live & die anonymously in obscurity. In other words, they contribute little, consume a lot and matter not a whit in the big picture!
O.T.
There was an opportunity for you and you seized that opportunity. We are proud of your success.
BUT, there is a reason the opportunity was there. You had a consumer base with disposable income. You could have taken that same initial investment to South America or Africa and lost every penny, because the people there were poor.
This whole argument we are having today, has nothing to do with taxes, capitalism or free enterprise.
It has something to do with how do we treat those that work hard every single day, but do not enjoy the fruits of their labor. You started a business. But that business was dependent on customers, educated workers who made, marketed and sold the product for you, and a national infrastructure.
A national infrastructure that allows you move your product efficiently over our highways, ports and rail system.
The infrastructure that protects your property at home and abroad.
The infrastructure that enforces any and all contracts that you enter into.
You are a huge user of this public common that we all share.
Asking you and others who enjoy this blessing we call the United States of America to pay a little more in taxes to preserve it, is not a burden too great to bear.
The burden borne by our soldiers and the families of the fallen, who protect us everyday, is far greater than any tax a wealthy person could even imagine.
There are millions who get up every morning and go to work only to get paid pennies on the dollar for all the wealth they create for people like you.
Is it too much to ask that people be paid a living wage for the work they do?
Those are the questions that are being asked today.
Of course capitalism creates growth and most business owners work long and hard mainly to further their self interest. I ran my own business in Canada for 36 years before retiring.
The complaint that many of us have is the way capitalism has evolved in the past fifteen or twenty years, stressing globalization and maximizing shareholder value as the prime command.
This has resulted in far too many fine North American jobs being shipped offshore, which is decimating the middle class. Another negative offshoot of what many of us now term "greedy capitalism" is the rush to get rid of permanent employees and replace them with part-time workers in order to save on benefits. The work force does seem to have been turned into just another commodity.
This new brand of capitalism is rapidly ruining American and Canadian societies.
Being something of a cynic, I have my doubts that either of your political parties will be capable of reversing this perverse form of capitalism, which will eventually eradicate the middle class altogether. Our countries will be much meaner places for most of us to live once wealth is concentrated in the hands of the corporations and the mega rich individuals.
Maximizing shareholder value unfortunately results in the failure to share wealth, and that is sad.
Obviously doing the work of God ; just like old blankfein and when it all falls apart gets the rest of us wage slaves to bail him out. Is it better to be a parasite or a predator ? How about rejecting social darwism altogether and see that the wealthy and their progeny are unfairly rewarded to the detriment of we poor.
That was social darwinism
Like Richard J. Mundy wrote, Democrats including Obama hate true capitalism.
They hate it with a passion.
Obama embraces crony capitalism where his donor friends gets tons of cash from taxpayers to waste.
Exploit poverty for cheap labor then crow about how great a capitalist you are......yeah thats the ticket.
Give all the money to the trust fund silver spoons like Willard and W ( they never really worked a day in their lives)...........thats the ticket !!!
TEA
Thanks for putting me in the same arena as Elizabeth Warren.
I also must give credit Thom Hartmann, Ed Schultz, Rachael Maddow, Barack Obama, my public school teachers, my college economic professors and my grandparents (who all lived through the Great Depression) labor unions and other like minded people I associate with.
This a theme common to all of of us, not just one person.
There is a verse in the Bible from Timothy II (2:15) and it says, "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of TRUTH."
What I seek is truth about the condition of our country and how to improve it for all Americans.
You can continue to listen to these monied interests who care nothing for you, or you can accept the truth about how they enrich themselves off the labor of the rest of us.
These selfish people have played us against one another for too long. They use race, religion, guns, gender, sex or whatever they can dream of to divide us, to keep us from coming together in one accord. They stand united with each other to subjugate the working class to serf status.
Don't be too smug in believing these powerful people will stand with you when the rest us have fallen. When your livelihood is on line next, who will stand up for you; if the rest of have fallen to the spear of these assassins of democracy?
Think long and hard about who you support and what it means to you and your family. We have been down this road before. We can side with the elites like Hoover did or we side with the common man like FDR.
There is a fork in the road. Which path will you take.
"There is a fork in the road. Which path will you take."
I'll take the path with those who can create jobs...businesses. The anti-business Obama, unions and Occupiers can't create jobs. Lets get our 12 to 14 million jobless Americans back to work, reduce deficit spending and grow our economy.
BRT says "These selfish people have played us against one another for too long. They use race, religion, guns, gender, sex or whatever they can dream of to divide us, to keep us from coming together in one accord."
BRT's characterization of Obama and Mundy for their hatred of capitalism is spot on
The blowback on all of these liberal mis-directions is causing Obama to drop in the polls particularly with women.
Already the planned parenthood campaign against Romney is on the ropes.
Obama give $500 million every year to Planned Parenthood and they perform 300,000 abortions a year and now they support Obama. It not fair that Obama can give them taxpayer dollars so they can campaign against Romney
Brtaylor:
Exquisite work! Thank you so much for taking the time to share your comments; lovely, articulate, and completely on point. As you already know, you have rattled the cages of the conservatives and as you can see they will spend the day doing everything they can to berate and belittle you. They will attempt to overwhelm you with twisted data that is still spinning after it is posted. I know you will not be fooled by their nonsensical gibberish. Nice job. Excellent!
Have a fabulous day and thank you!
"We can side with the elites like Hoover did or we side with the common man like FDR." By brtaylor
Franklin Delano Roosevelt is one of the most aristocratic, silver-spoon fed, momma's boy, wealthy snobs ever to serve as king, I mean president, of the USA. No wonder Congress amended the Constitution to limt presidential terms to 2 after FDR died. That's a fact of history.
Carmine A. DiFazio
Here's your common man:
"The Newport sex scandal arose in 1919 from the United States Navy's investigation of illicit sexual behavior on the part of Navy personnel in Newport, Rhode Island. It targeted homosexual contacts between Navy personnel and the civilian population. Initially it attracted little public notice, but eventually the investigation -- its methods and use of enlisted personnel -- and the trial attracted national news coverage and provoked a Congressional investigation that ended with Secretary of the Navy Josephus Daniels and Assistant Secretary of the Navy -- future President of the United States - Franklin D. Roosevelt being rebuked by a Congressional committee."
Carmine A. DiFazio
Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
Some things never change....
Take the right-wingers on this board for example. They have convinced themselves that Willard is a job creator. They also buy into the the belief that greed is good!
Willard is nothing more than another George W Bush, maybe a little smarter, but not much.
George W was a failed business man (lost his ass in oil) and grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth. He attended private schools and always had the advantages that comes with wealth and family position...
Willard will tell you that he's a self-made man and he NEVER mentions the millions that his daddy left him which he used to arrive where he now is....
George W created a mere 3.8 million jobs in his 8 years as president & he stood by and watched as some 8-10 million jobs were taken off-shore.
George W also gave tax breaks to his rich buddies and took us to two wars that we could not pay for...
He never produced a balanced budget in his 8 years and he increase the national debt like no president before him...
Willard worked for Bain Capital who specialized in cutting jobs & firing people, not job creation...
Willard's knowledge of foreign affairs matches George W's knowledge which was dismal at best.
Yep, A vote for Willard is a vote for bringing back the "business/presidential approach" of George W....
Boy, that worked well didn't it?
El Lobo,
Bush maintained 62%-63% of our American population employed throughout his Presidency and added 8 million workers. Obama? 58.5% with 12 to 14 million jobless Americans for three straight years now. We need to add 180,000 jobs each month just to keep pace with new Americans entering the workforce and Obama, on average, has added 45,000, well below what we need. Lastly, during Bush's term in office, the national debt climbed $4.8 trillion. $1.8 trillion was due to the rise entitlement costs and $1.6 trillion was the reduced tax revenue in the two years following the recession and the rest is due to military spending. Obama? Obama has surpassed Bush's debt mark by adding $5 trillion in debt in four years what Bush did in eight. He's already the President who's added more debt than any other President EVER! I think Americans wouldn't mind cutting deficits in half and having 12 to 14 million more Americans working like Bush accomplished. And Bush did the right thing with the tax cuts. Consumer debt was at an all time high at 17% of disposable income, the personal savings rate was near record lows between 2% and 3% and consumers were purchasing less as indicated by GDP growth slowing to 1.09 back in 2001. He put more money into American's hands which shortened the recession and got our economy going again. El Lobo, you bad mouth good results and you support a President who's gotten worse result than the previous President. You and other democrats can't talk about Obama's record because it's so bad. Americans need to decide, vote for a self-described "Entitlement Daddy" or vote for a "pro-business" man who understands business, job growth and the economy.
http://bls.gov/web/empsit/cpseea01.htm
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383,000 Americans got laid off last week under Obama's jobs policies
That is 20,000,000 - 20 million American are losing a job this year.
Obama just had to revise the GDP growth down to 1.9%
Under Obama millions have stopped looking for work. - just gave up under the Obama Policies
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Mr. Neal, seems Ayn Rand is just not read as much as she used to be. Atlas Shrugged, for example. Maybe Senator RAND Paul could explain it to us. Greed is good. Not Gorden Grego or whoever, but capitalism has many benefits via side effects. Oh yes, the sweat shops mean the minions must work--but they get to eat--and that's a heck of a lot better than when they were cold and hungry.
OT
Great American business story and any clear thinking American will and would be happy for you.
I do wonder if we may get you out of the woodwork to join our discussion here. There are a few questions a few of us would like to ask you. Here are a few:
Why do you feel a kinship with Mitt Romney and want to roll him into your success?
IS your business model similar to Romney's wherein you used Pirate Equity (Here is an explanation of Pirate Equity: Cap'n Romney takes over the company ship and loots the treasury and using the firms credit rating maximizes the corporate debt while making the employees walk the plank! Then sells the leak ridden hull to others hopefull they can keep it afloat. But alas, in the end the Sea of Red Ink is too rough, the only choice left being to guide her into the Bay of Bankruptcy and scuttle her in the shallows.) to build your business to the point it is today?
If you did use these strategies to build your successful business, can you tell us the names of the firms you bankrupted?
I have an idea that you did it the old fashioned way and built a good business as you said, by hard work, 7 days a week, 20 hours a day, at least at first. I really doubt you took advantage of hard working Americans (and their children), their shareholders, their banks and the communities these businesses were in.
I would never have had these thoughts, but you say he is you and you are he.
Are you sure?
I have boatloads more respect for you, I think.
Future, you don't think any of those layoffs had anything to do with business decisions to outsource, downsize, automate or otherwise "improve productivity," do you?
Bad things can also happen when capitalism flourishes. Production and consumption have environmental and human consequences. From my perspective, that's what the issue is about.
As a matter of course, I expect businesses to create wealth and, subsequently, employment. But the downside of capitalism is that it does damage. Businesses expend enormous amounts of money and energy working to defeat wage laws, union protections, health care coverage, and environmental controls, not to mention the endless quest for incentives funded by taxpayers. (I'd be interested to see the total value of all incentives and abatements awarded to Mr. Neal's companies and within the supply chain for which he takes credit.)
I have reservations about Mr. Neal's extrapolation of 10,000 jobs as a result of his unnamed endeavor. Nonetheless, I would wish that the employees in those jobs all enjoy fair wages, good working conditions, opportunities for upward mobility and good health. Those things are not likely to be in the interest of businesses, which, after all, count employees as a liability.
JeffFromVegas,
Pirate Equity, aren't you describing unions robbing tax payers and consumers through higher wages, pensions resulting in higher taxes and product prices? Does an extra $2,000 on the price of a GM car come to mind? Did you know that the total of union dues beats the total of CEO pay by 2.5 to 1? Do Americans know about the pension tsunami coming at us at a local city near you?
http://www.pensiontsunami.com/
Mr. Neal; I just love to hear success stories like you described. America thrives because of Americans just like you.
However, I've always been in the category that Jerry Fink described above. Never came close to having that type of money, and if I did, I wouldn't have the guts to invest it like you did. You should be, Mr. Neal, very proud of yourself, and relish all the rewards that have come your way.
Accordingly, I have absolutely no ill will towards Mitt Romney and his successes. I've always believed in being compensated at an adequate pay and benefits package level for the hard dedicated work that I've always given to my employer. What separates me from many Democratic union workers is, I certainly do not believe in overpricing myself. I'll take long term stability any day over that of a temporary burst in wages that could compromises the financial / investment / and expansion capabilities of my employer.
RefNV asked:
"JeffFromVegas,
Pirate Equity, aren't you describing unions robbing tax payers and consumers through higher wages, pensions resulting in higher taxes and product prices?"
I say:
No.
But it is Jeff, it is. $4 trillion state/city debt and $16 trillion national debt. Government spending as a percent of GDP went from 26% in 1965 to 41% in 2011. Greece? 50% so we're not far behind. Entitlement spending has more than doubled in the last 20 years. Obama's plan for debt and budget deficits? Nothing. Boy, that's REAL leadership I'll tell ya!
TEA spilled these musings:
"post at 846am: "I also must give credit Thom Hartmann, Ed Schultz, Rachael Maddow, Barack Obama, my public school teachers..."
I knew it. I just knew it. (of course I knew it all along. but never had a blogger admit to it) Here is your proof folks. Public school teachers indoctrinating your kids into marxism/socialism. And Ed Schultz (MSNBC) has even said, "what the hell is wrong with socialism?""
I say:
I have been trumpeting Thom Hartmann on these and other boards for years. He is one of the greatest Americans living today.
Rachel Maddow is similarly open to opposing points of view and frequently clashed with Michael Steele and Steve Schmitt, 2 former high level GOP operatives. There is no equivalent to the openness that Hartmann and Maddow display.
Ed Schultz is a democratic cheerleader for sure, but still pretty fact based, you guys seem to like male cheerleaders, I mean both W. and Romney wore cheerleader costumes in college. Romney was the equipment boy for the hockey team too, I think.
Our feelings for Obama are all over the map. Our feelings for Romney are pretty similar. His victory will assure you old white guys an upper hand in everything, so while Romney could have been a decent president, y'all have gone overboard. He will be defeated, or you walking, talking brown nose's will finally find out he will drop your family down a craphole in a second, unless you are a Mormon.
The school teachers? wrong place, wrong time.
Seriously...
The letter writer and the TeaNuts posting their 'Daily Drivel' are PROPAGANDISTS.
To the Windbag & co., I say...
Get a LIFE, or a HOBBY!
Ref....
You continue to disappoint me.....but what's new?
You continue to claim that George "clueless" Bush was a job creator. Despite your many stats claiming so, George junior did very little to create jobs.
I've mentiond several times before that George junior created only 3.8 million jobs in 8 years. He also stood by and watched some 8 million jobs taken off-shore.
His tax breaks for the rich did NOTHING to create jobs. If his tax breaks had created jobs then we wouldn't be in our current mess....
Wake-up and see what has happened over the last 10+ years.
Romney is another George junior. He had a terrible "job creator" record as the governor of Mass.
That's the main reason he didn't run for re-election........please.......please......please...
You're making yourself look out of touch & slow on the up-take!
I think your smarter than that but who knows for certain when you continue to spew your daily "FOX NEWS" type propaganda....
El Lobo,
Get your facts straight first and I'll be glad to debate. I would suggest using Bureau of Labor Statistics and the Bureau of Economic Analysis data then come back and lets debate using government data.
Ref......
A bit of sound advise for you....
Quit defending George "the clueless one." His dismal record as president makes defending him almost impossible.
He will go down in history as one of our worst presidents ever. Most Republicans know this & they don't attempt to defend George....they simply attack Obama, hoping that their attack will move public opinion away from George...
Another piece of advice.....
One must always be careful about what you wish for....
The election of Willard to the presidency can be compared to cutting off your nose in order to spite your face!
Willard is another George W. As I mentioned earlier, a little smarter than George, but not much! He and the "clueless one" have much in common!
El Lobo,
Bush vs Obama. Bring your data and I'll bring mine. Fair enough?
TEA Claims:
"President Obama...the common man's man.
Report: Obama Flies Special Barber To WH Every Two Weeks"
I say:
I hear he uses Cottonelle now, which is softer that the toilet paper you just created. I have you pegged as a user of cardboard...you know, the kind for hard asses...
...and by the way.
We don't care
Today Obama signaled that he will replace Joe Biden with John Edwards
Today Democrat John Edwards got off from his count of laundering of adultery hush money through his campaign. Amazingly the Obama/Holder justice department did not put any real prosecution effort against their friend. Apparently Edwards was able to convince the jury that he did not know anything. Now let's see the effort Holder put in to prosecute John Ensign for personal failings.
Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
Beyond funny....Beyond funny.....
TEA attempting to make a big deal out of Obama's hair cut routine...
Who cares what Obama does when it comes to getting his hair cut?
TEA's silly (that nonsensical) post ranks right up there with the birth certificate thing & Obama's grade card.
Ha! Ha! Ha!
Look for Donald Trump to grab ahold of this issue and run with it.....
Of course, speaking of hair cuts...It appears that "the Donald" doesn't have a barber who cuts his hair.....
"the Donald" probably fired him.... Ha! Ha! Ha!
It appears that several posters on this board need to get a life...
Yes, compared to the "clueless one" (that's code for George W...) and Willard, Obama is the "common man's man."
Thanks for pointing that out!
Yep, that John Ensign thing....
Look for Ensign to skip any real penalty for his wrong doings....
People such as Future probably have already forgiven John John.....
Is that right Future?
Who knows, John John Ensign may run for public office in Nevada in the not too distant future..
To no one's surprise who has been around Nevada politics any period of time, John John would get a huge number of the conservative vote in this state...
Such is politics in the Silver State....
Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
Agree. Good article.
The liberals will love your story, be prepared for their blood sucking lazy pathetic no good for nothing liberals and their offspring to come to your place of business and try to suck you dry as they've done to anyone else who doesn't' give them their free ride for them too continue their lazy pathetic life. When they put you out of business and create another 100,000 welfare recipients, they've succeeded with their goals.
Hey Carmine....
More trouble in paradise?????
The latest news concerning the Catholic Church is not good....
It seems the Church has a plan that pays suspected pedophile priests to move on....that's short for leaving the ministry. The going rate is $20,000 per priest...
What's your take on that? How much of the money comes from donations made by you and others?
Dig deep Carmine.....It appears that the Church is not runnning out of pedophile priests any time soon...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/31...
It looks like Wisconsin is getting their act together and scattering from union affiliation. See story below:
Wisconsin unions see ranks drop ahead of recall vote
"Public-employee unions in Wisconsin have experienced a dramatic drop in membership -- by more than half for the second-biggest union -- since a law championed by Republican Gov. Scott Walker sharply curtailed their ability to bargain over wages and working conditions.
Wisconsin membership in the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees-the state's second-largest public-sector union after the National Education Association, which represents teachers-fell to 28,745 in February from 62,818 in March 2011, according to a person who has viewed Afscme's figures. A spokesman for Afscme declined to comment."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/...
Mark: Is that "Cherokee" Elizabeth Warren? You know, the creepy MA candidate who lied on her resumes to get jobs she wasn't qualified for? Now she & her supporters want to talk about "important" issues. Yeah, as if being a bald-faced liar isn't important. I guess she learned at the knee of Al Sharpton, the court-proven liar, and a fellow "minority."
Republicans isn't the case against Ensign dropped as it is the case most times for the leisure class ?
TEA: May 31, 2012 @ 11:20 a.m.: (referring to brtaylor comment) post at 846am: "I also must give credit Thom Hartmann, Ed Schultz, Rachael Maddow, Barack Obama, my public school teachers..."
I knew it. I just knew it. (of course I knew it all along. but never had a blogger admit to it) Here is your proof folks. Public school teachers indoctrinating your kids into marxism/socialism. And Ed Schultz (MSNBC) has even said, "what the hell is wrong with socialism?"
In yur parents conference's...ya better be making sure what you want and don't want happening with yur kids
TEA
Priceless! You crack me up. I guess this is really the best you got and this is as good as it is going to get. For me, it's hysterical and I enjoy a good LOL moment. You say: I knew it. I just knew it. When I read that I had a visual of a guy jumping up and down with his arm extended pointing his finger at another person screaming "I knew it" "I just knew it" because he thought he had an epiphany when all along it was just a little gas. You got all excited because you thought you had a revelation when in fact it was your misrepresentation of the writers intent, which in itself is a riot. It appears as if you get extreme satisfaction and joy in berating, belittling people and spinning comments into something they are not. To me, that is a bit weird. Simply my opinion; nothing more; nothing less.
I knew you just had to go down the marxism/socialism path. Now TEA, where did you say you got YUR Art of Persuasion Book? I think you better ask for a refund. Do you still think YUR approach is going to persuade independents? Not workin'! So I am waiting to see who is going to be off your list today??? Come on don't keep us in suspense.
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And the writer was responding to your comments and said".Thanks for putting me in the same arena as Elizabeth Warren.
I also must give credit Thom Hartmann, Ed Schultz, Rachael Maddow, Barack Obama, my public school teachers, my college economic professors and my grandparents (who all lived through the Great Depression) labor unions and other like minded people I associate with.
"What's your take on that? How much of the money comes from donations made by you and others?"
God is their judge. Not you and/or me. It's above your and my pay grade. Considering they will be haunted with the guilt for the rest of their lives, and probably never have a job of substance, $20K is a pittance of a price to pay.
Carmine A. DiFazio
A PS to my post above:
These ex-priests ruined their lives and will not get away with it. John Edwards ruined his life, and others, and got away with it.
Carmine A. DiFazio
"FDR is the greatest 20th century president we had, bar none, even better than bill clinton!" dip
No wonder Obama compares himself to Republican presidents like Teddy Roosevelt and Dwight Eisenhower! Not a very good crop of 20th Century Dem presidents: Woodrow Wilson, FDR Carter, and Clinton. Wilson's presidency was run by his wife. FDR and Clinton ran away from their wives. At least Carter was faithful and spiritual. But didn't know peanuts from economics.
Carmine A. DiFazio
Carmine:
Do you really think John Edwards has gotten away with anything at this point? Have you listened to his statement to the public afterwards?
I think he reaped what he sowed. And has been exposed.
Elizabeth Warren aka Fauxcahontas.
Drop the Tomahawk. Grab the canoli. Affirmative action projects like Warren-Obama running things now. Do you think the cherokee will give her a cut of the casino?
The bias against Democrats continues to shows it ugly head with Carmine's post saying:
"No wonder Obama compares himself to Republican presidents like Teddy Roosevelt and Dwight Eisenhower! Not a very good crop of 20th Century Dem presidents.."
Carmine refuses to recognize the fact that FDR saved this country not only during the 1930's but also in the 1940's.
The Republicans caused the Great Depression (does that sound familiar?) and it was FDR who pulled us out of it with his New Deal programs....
Without the New Deal, this country would have suffered a brutal revolution.
The Republicans had no clue on how to handle the Great Depression.
Hoover, for example, thought that the depression would come to an end by itself if the government did NOTHING!
Sort of the same approach presently being used by today's GOP!
During the 1940's FDR's leadership led this country and the free world successfully through to victory against the Axis Powers.
Carmine's lack of historical knowledge has him wrapped in a huge layer of stupidity from which he can not escape!
I get a kick out of Carmine's attempt to re-write history & cherry pick historical information....
Obama has a great deal of respect for both Teddy Roosevelt & Dwight Eisenhower.
Of course, both were willing to work with both sides of the aisle and both were progressive to moderate with most of their views....
As we all know, the Republican Party no longer has any progressives in its party & very few moderates.
If around today, both TR & Ike wouid be Democrats.
Matter of fact, Ike almost ran for the presidency in 1948 as a Democrat. He was approached by several of the leaders of the Democrat Party about that very thing and he gave them a "thumbs-up" showing his willingness to run as a Democrat.
The plan to draft Ike as the Democrat candidate died out when Truman announced that he plan to run for re-election in 1948...
The rest is history....
Truman ran an unbelievable campaign and kicked a lot of Republican butt, winning another term...
The dogs of the energy sector are let loose upon us- the atmosphere is certainly going to them.
El Lobo:
I think all the right wingers at at a wingnut cookout tonight. They are, of course, dining on Turkey Wings.
O.T.........
YES, we all already know that GREED IS THE
HALLMARK of the heartless republican party.
Just one of the many reasons we voters booted you
greedy republicans OUT of the White House.
And the reason Willard Romney will not get
anywhere near the White House.
Republicans never learn.
Republicans are on the wrong side of life.
FOUR MORE YEARS FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA!!!
LIVE BETTER/WORK UNION!!!
Jeff:
Edwards didn't get jail time. Won't be retried. Didn't get a felony. Can still practice law. Yes, he got away with it.
"God's not done with me yet." A take on Jess Jackson's 1984 speech, in which he was saying he would be back in politics. Edwards thinks he'll be back.
Perhaps as dog catcher? He could sniff them out well with his experience. No offense to the dogs.
Carmine A. DiFazio
El Lobo
I have always opine to you that you are a youngin and fully absorbed in the liberal left history books that schools use. Hence you believe, not your fault entirely, that FDR is a god. I was young enough to meet him. And learn first hand from the elders of the time what they really thought of FDR: The common man. He was common alright. Obama is a good reincarnation. They both have delusions of grandeur and those like you believe it.
Carmine A. DiFazio
Teamster:
Walker rules Wisconsin. Brown rules Mass. Barrett's going down. Warren is going down. Unions are going down. Wisconsin, which went Obama in 2008, will go GOP and Romney in 2012. So will other swing states: Nevada, NC, etc. Your guy is history. Get prepared. My advice: Start packing.
Carmine A. DiFazio
"Truman ran an unbelievable campaign and kicked a lot of Republican butt, winning another term..."
I like Harry S. Truman. No college education. A bankrupt business man who paid off all his debtors. An officer in WW1. Bought and paid for by the big politicians of the time. Dropped the nuke bomb, twice on Japan. Regretted afterwards. Japan was on the verge od surrender once Russia entered WW2 on the side of the allies.
But as a history nut yourself you should know that Truman left the WH with the worst approval rating of all the presidents. 20 percent. Right.
Obama is no Truman and this is not 1948.
Carmine A. DiFazio
Carmine:
This guys thread shouldn't have been overtaken on these side issues. I feel I was respectful and asked Mr. Neal questions that were reasonable. I will move my response to your Edwards comment to the Edwards story itself.
Jeff:
Let the Moderators do their job and we'll do ours.
I said all I plan to say on Edwards. Anymore I say on this guy is a waste of my time.
Carmine A. DiFazio
Carmine, in a one man race with you being the one running, you would declare yourself the loser...
Carmine, Carmine.....I feel sorry for you......
Yes, that's the truth!
You are so limited with your knowledge of history & you have decided to embrace the many myths that are out there about history in general & FDR in particular...
First of all, I have NO idea (and don't care) how long you have been walking around on this earth but I'm far from a youngster. I voted for LBJ in 1964....
Who did you vote for? Ha! Ha! Ha!
That's no secret is it? You were a "Barry lover," right?
I can remember the Kennedy assassination like it was yesterday. I was in a college political scientist class when I first found out that Kennedy had been shot.
The instructor came a few minutes late to class, which he never did. We could tell that he was very up-set. In a broken voice he told us that he had just heard that Kennedy had been shot in Dallas.
He then dismissed the class with the words, "go home and pray for our president."
Yes, Truman left the presidency with very low ratings but not the lowest ever.....George "clueless" Bush has that honor.
Of course, present day historians now rank Harry among the top 10 US presidents....
FDR was a great man & the exact type of leader that we needed at that point in time.
Historians rank FDR among the top three presidents.
Only Lincoln & Washington rank higher...
You are correct... Obama is no Truman but he's far better than anything the "clueless" Republicans can put out there....
Yes, its not 1948, but that won't keep Obama from kicking a lot of Republican butt in November....
Four more years of Obama.....that's a wonderful thought!
Carmine....
Why did you spent so little time & make so few comments about the pedophile priest problem that is very much a part of the Catholic Church?
Were you trying to largely ignore what I said & what the article said about the problem?
How do you feel about your donations going to "pay off" the pedophile priests?
Is the Church breaking the law with its attempted cover-up of the problem? Sure looks that way to me...
Where's your empathy for the sexually abused boys who are scarred for life? You said NOTHING about them....
Oh well, go ahead and crawl back in your little hole that serves as a hiding place for you.....the old "out of sight, out of mind thing!"
Ha! Ha! Ha!
Look at the TEAbagger!
All giddy and happy the economy still sucks so the CPO (Chief PIRATE Officer) has a better chance of being elected.
I wonder how big the stimulus bill will be for republicans if the CPO is elected?
You KNOW they will.
How do you know a right-winger is losing an argument?
As soon as they start name-calling. Which usually starts right off the bat.
TEA....
I'll say one thing. You actually went looking for information to back up your twisted view of history. Very few right-wingers do that...
They normally just say stupid things and get up-set when they're questioned & challenged...
Actually you are partly correct. Henry Morgenthau jr. was a long time family friend of the Roosevelt's. His family owned a huge estate not far from Hyde Park, where FDR lived.....
Morgenthau became like an "old bear with a sore paw," the longer he served in FDR's Cabinet. He was very up-set when FDR passed over him and named another man to seve as the Sec. of Agriculture.
Henry wanted that job very badly.....he had to settle for the position of Sec. of Treasury instead. Actually, that job fit him much better than the Sec. of Agriculture position since he was a Wall Street Banker...
FDR liked his old friend (despite the fact that he was a Republican) but found him harder & harder to work with....Eleanor Roosevelt encouraged her husband to fire Henry but FDR wouldn't do that to his old friend.
Instead, FDR slowly moved Henry out of his inner circle & didn't include him in very much of the decision making/policy making process...
He allowed Henry however, to work on a plan on what to do with Germany after the war. Henry thought his plan to make post war Germany an agricultural nation with very little industry was a great idea.
Keep in mind that Henry was Jewish & he wanted to do everything that he could to keep Germany from ever again being a threat or problem for the Jewish people.
Of course, a Germany consisting of small farmers, tied to the land, would be a backward Germany, unable to ever wage war again...
The plan was called the Morgenthau Plan & Henry secretly released it to the press and several Republican Congressman. FDR had previously instructed Henry to keep the plan under wraps..
FDR was fit to be tied....George Marshall, who seldom got up-set, told FDR that Henry should be fired as the Sec. of Treasury and pushed completely out of any White House dealings....
Marshall believed, and rightly so, that once the Morgenthau Plan was common knowledge, it would actually prolong the war in Europe.
He was afraid that the Germans would fight that much harder once they came to believe what was in store for them in a post war Europe. Actually, that's what happened..
In a nut shell, Henry became a very bitter man and FDR made a big mistake by not firing him early on....Eleanor was right! Of course, Henry said many things that the press and the GOP used against FDR...
That's pretty much the whole story of why Henry said what he did....
El Lobo:
Catholic priest pedophilia gets the most news coverage and media coverage. 1.7 percent of Catholic clergy has been found guilty of pedophilia. 10 percent of Protestant ministers have been found guilty of pedophilia. It's not a Catholic problem. Except in your feeble minded view of the facts.
Carmine A. DiFazio
TEA...
You're entitled to your opinion just as I am....
FDR's New Deal prevented a revolution from taking place in this country. We were very lucky to have FDR as our president during not only the Great Depression but World War II as well....
Actually the New Deal did help with the nation's economy but we didn't get clearly out of the depression until World War II came along....
The peace time draft of 1940 was a huge factor in turning the economy around...
Don't forget, the economic policies of the GOP through out the 1920's caused/led to the Great Depression...
When FDR took the oath of office in March of 1933 the unemployment rate was approximately 25%. When we entered World War II, immediately after Pearl Harbor, the unemployment rate was less than 10%.
Yes, the New Deal helped this country but it took our entry into WW II to put the depression to bed, once & for all...
"The peace time draft of 1940 was a huge factor in turning the economy around..." El Lob
Wrong. FDR/US gov't had a quota on peace time draftees. Remember FDR said I will not send American boys to fight and die on foreign soil. Yeah, right!
The draft quota was lifted after the bombing on June 7, 1941. 10 million joined the armed forces, mostly those unemployed during the FDR years from 1933-1940. And those that didn't/couldn't join stayed behind and got the jobs that were available and/or concommitant with the war effort. Like women.
Carmine A. DiFazio
Jeff:
In politics, a one man race is called a landslide. Get your facts straight if you want to debate me here.
Carmine A. DiFazio
Carmine:
Who, if anyone, do you like?
TEA said:
"You sure do beat around the bush a lot. Your unwillingness to answer my questions leaves readers little choice but to come to their own conclusions regarding your ideology AND integrity."
Here are your complete set of questions you have asked in this thread:
"1.Looks like the analyst at MIG Bank wasn't far off. He'll be even closer after the number of jobs added in May is revised down like all the other months it was revised down since this inept president took office.
Funny...huh?
2. O.T. Neal...did you ever imagine in 1978, when you were starting your business, you would see the vitriol you see now being leveled at capatalism?
3. Sound like, oh, Rep. John Boehner of Ohio or some other exasperated Republican stalwart lamenting proposals to spend our way out of the recession?
4. Who's book is that from?
5. I am a conservative. I am a registered (I). I detest the established GOP and DEM parties. I assume you are a liberal, a liberal who leans toward socialism or a marxist.
Would you enlighten us?
I say:
Your first 3 questions are not directed to El_Lobo, and are sort of stupid amd self serving.
Number 4 is assuming it is from a book, something someone with integrity would never do. It is probably in a book of some type, but a person with integrity would wait more than 3 hours to make judgment, according to your own words the El_Lobo now is branded as having NO Integrity. There are probably a few questions you've been asked and not answered too.
Number 5 seems like you are kind of a dunderhead if you can't figure out El_Lobo's politics. He has made almost 5,000 posts here. You were just setting him up to bash him again.
You have ZERO integrity Mark Traeger TEA.
El_Lobo said to you:
"TEA...
You're entitled to your opinion just as I am..."
That is integrity.
"FDR's New Deal didn't do jack-squat for the economy or unemployment. His treasury secretary admitted it." TEA Mark
Interestingly, FDR knew nothing about economics. His limited academic training led him to the conclusion that all he learned in economics from his Ivy League background was wrong. FDR just learned economics all wrong. Why? Didn't matter to him. He was a wealthy silver spoon fed aristocrat.
Like others at the time, FDR was enthralled by John Maynard Keynes and keynesian econ theories. Wrong then. Wrong now. Just follow the course of the EU, which uses the same antiquated keynesian theories. Lots of people quote Nixon here in the negative. Well, 1970 Presdient Nixon said we are all keynesians. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
Carmine A. DiFazio
Hey Carmine, Ref, Future, TEA and the rest of you numbskulls, Romney did something daring. He just named his Vice Presidential Running Mate! I am shocked, I agree with his choice.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/31...
Carmine:
It looks like your Heroes Boehner, McConnel, and Romney don't agree with you.
In case you have forgotten, Republicans not only demanded debt reduction during last year's debt-ceiling hostage crisis, they threatened to crash the economy on purpose unless they got their way.
Democrats struck a deal and the GOP got what it wanted -- with spending cuts due to kick in just as Bush-era tax rates expire, which happens to be another Republican proposal.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said this week that unless his foes want to strike a broader deal involving new revenues, he intends to stick to the plan the GOP said it wanted -- they asked for automatic spending cuts and deficit reduction, so Reid will stand by the automatic spending cuts and deficit reduction.
And yesterday, GOP officials said spending cuts and deficit reduction would take capital out of the economy, undermine demand, and hurt economic growth. In other words, Republicans have enthusiastically embraced the very Keynesian economic principles they claim to hate.
It's not just yesterday, either -- none other than Mitt Romney argued this week that he can't accept too many spending cuts in his first year as president because it would undermine demand and push the economy into a recession.
So he's a Keynesian, too.
I realize, of course, that Republicans aren't actually genuinely embracing the left's economic model; they're just scurrying to protect tax breaks for the wealthy and Pentagon spending. This isn't about ideological consistency or policy principle; this is about the right doing whatever it takes to get the policy outcomes it wants.
But that doesn't mean the GOP's new arguments should be dismissed out of hand. On the contrary, this is an opportunity for the left -- according to new Republican arguments, spending cuts and taking capital out of a fragile economy is dangerous and wrong.
Perhaps, the next time conservatives scream bloody murder about a non-existent "debt crisis," or cry about the horrible burden the deficits will put on our poor grandchildren, Democrats might take a moment to remind their friends on the other side of the aisle what Republicans argued the week of May 25, 2012, when the GOP effectively argued, "Screw the debt crisis; we want more spending and extended tax cuts."
Jeff:
As usual you are conflicted and confused. You're talking about austerity. Two types of austerity. Gov't and private sector. Your keynesians see gov't austerity as detrimental to economic prosperity. My keynesians see private sector austerity as detrimental to economy growth. Get the difference and distinction. Keynesian econ uses both. But you have to use the right one [austerity] at the right time to get the right results. Obama hasn't. He's got them reversed, just like you. No surprise to me.
Carmine A. DiFazio
Carmine said:
" My keynesians see private sector austerity as detrimental to economy growth."
You are getting closer to revelation, inch by inch. A year ago you would have never claimed brotherhood with any keynesians.
With a little more time I will have you looking into the correct side of the telescope.
I am not ready to give up on you yet, you did work for Jimmy Carter, but Jeremiah Wright worked as a personal aid to Lyndon Johnson so...
...maybe that a don'ta makea no deeference.
TEA (AKA Mr.Integrity) said:
"Readers...
unless you're at socialist or marxist...never go to the websites dailykos or moveon. They are controlled by the America hating George Soros.
You would only be helping their advertising revenue.
Just a little FYI."
I say:
DailyKos.com is the 12th highest rated political website, ranked lower than the Washington Times and higher than Townhall.com.
HuffPost is #1 and Drudge is #2
The ethics of one censoring others thoughts is akin to, well, communism.
Did the communists have integrity?
http://www.ebizmba.com/articles/politica...
"You are getting closer to revelation, inch by inch. " Jeff
O contraire. You are, with my assistance.
Carmine A. DiFazio
A PS to my post Jeffrey:
From 2008-2010, there was a resurgence in the keynesian school because of the dead cat bounce I mention here. Recall O and Joe's Summer of recovery nonsense. I didn't subscribe to the fallacy. By 2011, those who were backing keynesians fell by the wayside again. Why? Simple. Europe and the USA. See the econ results today? Dismal. That's why keynesian theories when applied in real life in their truest sense don't work. Reverse them, like the anti-keynesians propose, and you got the real solution.
Carmine A. DiFazio
"Jeremiah Wright worked as a personal aid to Lyndon Johnson so..." Jeffrey
Should have quit while he was ahead.
Carmine A. DiFazio
TEA....
I repeat what I said earlier....
"You're entitled to your opinion just as I am....
FDR's New Deal prevented a revolution from taking place in this country. We were very lucky to have FDR as our president during not only the Great Depression but World War II as well....
Actually the New Deal did help with the nation's economy but we didn't get clearly out of the depression until World War II came along....
The peace time draft of 1940 was a huge factor in turning the economy around...
Don't forget, the economic policies of the GOP through out the 1920's caused/led to the Great Depression...
When FDR took the oath of office in March of 1933 the unemployment rate was approximately 25%. When we entered World War II, immediately after Pearl Harbor, the unemployment rate was less than 10%.
Yes, the New Deal helped this country but it took our entry into WW II to put the depression to bed, once & for all..."
Ha! Ha! Ha!
You & Carmine have a tough, tough time giving credit where credit is due. In other words, you hate everthing that FDR stood for & you refuse to believe that he saved our a** during both the Great Depression & World War II...
Many of the projects completed under the New Deal greatly helped put people to work but those completed projects also contributed to the economic boom that we enjoyed during the later 1940's & into the 1950's.
Roads constructed, dams built, parks built, public schools and sports stadiums built, to name a few, were all the end result of FDR's New Deal......That was money well spent...
Actually, that's called "infrastructure" today. Something Obama wants to do but the Republicans refuse to allow it to happen...
I wonder why FDR is considered one of our all time great presidents if he achieve so little as you and Carmine claim he did.....
Liberals complain about job losses and their own party is primarily responsible for most the job losses we have today and we will have for years to come and they complain about the rich, liberals are some of the richest people around.
Look at your own party of the last 10 years, how many of them have a net worth of $50, $100, $200, million or even in the billions and more? The list is quite extensive and they use the same tax code system as Romney and Wall Street and anyone else who has a high net worth or ones that are building their net worth to protect their assets from lawyers and blood sucking free loaders; it's called sound business and they all use irrevocable trusts, tax shelters, and overseas accounts, assets hidden in trusts and buried in investments or businesses that depreciate the assets, tax free bonds, foreign investments, cheap labor oversees, cheap labor in manufacturing, etc"etc"etc"
Let us look at the job losses under liberals, we'll start with construction since that industry is one of the biggest job creators and supports every aspect of manufacturing, retail, and goods. We'll get right the point on these job losses, permits, the permit process takes anywhere from 2 to 40 years to attain, that's if they can get past the EIR, EIS, USACE, Endangered Species Act, Air Quality, Water Quality, and many more.
When they do get permits now they have to contend with the environmental lawsuits that always follow after they've spent millions upon millions to see if they can even get a permit. Now comes the lawyer fees, this adds another few million and years to the process. Keep in mind their own people granted the permit in the first place, it's just SOP to file a lawsuit and suck more money from the developer/builder/taxpayers.
Finally if and when the permits are granted and the developer or builder wins the court battle, now they have to deal with the unions and public works officials and their greedy hands into the pie.
When it's all said and done, it's not about jobs; it's about how much money they can suck from anyone and taxpayers before anything can progress. It's a system they've designed and we're paying for it and you don't have jobs for that reason.
There is more, you all whine about Real Estate, news flash for you, BLM is the largest recipient of money from land sales that the banks paid for that we bailed out. The price per acre of land BLM sold to developers exceeded $1,000,000.00 an acre that the banks loaned and we paid for. This alone accounts for a few trillion over the USA sales made over the building boom. Where did that money go? It's not rocket science where it went.
Carmine Claimed:
""You are getting closer to revelation, inch by inch. " Jeff
O contraire. You are, with my assistance.
Carmine A. DiFazio
and
"Jeremiah Wright worked as a personal aid to Lyndon Johnson so..." Jeffrey
Should have quit while he was ahead.
Carmine A. DiFazio"
I Say:
The only thing you have convinced me of is the likelihood that you are from 78 to 84 years old, still somewhat sharp, that I am glad I don't have to eat dinner with you, the conversation would be dreadful, but that you are not all bad, just politically thick as a brick.
Jeremiah Wright is a good man, listen to that whole sermon and you will see he's an outstanding preacher. The same way all priests should not be judged because some liked to rape little boys, Wright should not be judged for one line in a whole lifetime of good.
"I wonder why FDR is considered one of our all time great presidents if he achieve so little as you and Carmine claim he did....." El Lobo
I told you. Liberal left write the history books.
Carmine A. DiFazio
Jeffrey:
Too bad. I always pick up the tab for dinner.
Look remarkably younger than my years and keep up with those much younger than me.
WRT Rev. Wright, I'm glad you like him. He needs all the friends he has.
Carmine A. DiFazio
"Carmine:
Who, if anyone, do you like?" Jeffrey
Unbelievable, as in dumb, question. I like alot of people, doesn't mean I'll vote for them. Don't like alot of people, doesn't mean I wouldn't vote for them.
Hint: Ask questions that are relevant.
Carmine A. DiFazio
This is funny....
Carmine said:
"I told you. Liberal left write the history books."
Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
Talk about living in denial....Of course, Carmine does the exact same thing when he attempts to defend the Catholic Church & its failure to deal with its many pedophile priests...
Some things never change.....Ha! Ha! Ha!
Hey Carmine...
I must ask...If the liberal left writes the history books, then where in the world do you get your strange material from?
FOX NEWS? Rush Limbaugh? Heritage Foundation?
El Lobo
I told you alot of posts up that pedophilia is not a Catholic problem except in your feeble mind and the liberal media. 1.7 percent of Catholic clergy has been found guilty of pedophilia. 10 percent of the Protestant ministers have been found guilty of pedophilia. Dah!
If you get your info from school history books, as I know you do, you're a sorry student. As are the writers of these textbooks.
And your question is a dumb one. Not shocking considering the source.
Carmine A. DiFazio
Carmine:
WADR, it IS a catholic problem, both realistically, public relations wise, and spiritually. That said, it is heartbreaking for any child to be abused.
while 1.7% is much better than 10%, both numbers are obscene and unacceptable. If the catholic church is 6 times larger the same number of kids are affected...
Jeffrey:
I agree with you, don't get me wrong. BUT the liberal left media attacks and impugns the Catholic Church for pedophilia and the protestants get a pass. Double standard. By all accounts, the percentage of pedophilia commited by Catholic clergy [1.7%] is considerably less than any and all other vocations and professionals in the USA. Media goes after the Catholics only. Never hear/read anything about the others.
Carmine A. DiFazio
"If the catholic church is 6 times larger.. ." Jeffrey
Irrelevant. Have to compare the NUMBER of priests guilty of pedophilia to the total number of priests and compare that percentage to other professions and religions.
Carmine A. DiFazio
Carmine:
Your first response to this post was genuine while still looking to shift the focus off Catholics when the focus should be shared.
Percentage this or percentage that is for the historians to write about. What is central here is as much as you keep calling it the left media, it is the corporate media who are the villains here.
Once you begin to realize that allowing FoxNews and MSNBC PLUS their entertainment divisions to be the number one conservative and progressive media voices we as Americans are getting no usable truth from either side and because FoxNews has twice the viewers they are twice as bad or effective at disseminating misleading info.
When guys like you, me, Colin, and a RefNV can all get together and find a 3rd truthful source, maybe the pedophilia problem can get nipped in the bud!!!!
I think the divide is too deep between us at this point. I have no faith in the folks you hang with, you likely feel the same about me/us.
Jeffrey:
I'm old fashioned. I read the newspapers for my news and read the funnies to get laughs. I watch TV for the sports events.
I don't care what you think, care, post about any divide between you and me and/or them/us. It doesn't matter to me an iota.
Just like you made clear, I am of the same mind. I have no intentions to sit down and have pizza and beer with you any time soon.
Carmine A. DiFazio
Carmine:
Root Beer and Pizza I could do. I don't drink, cuss, swear, smoke, do drugs or have any other bad habits. It was being at your dinner table in your house I alluded to. I would have to be polite to the degree of respecting your home. THAT would make it untenable for me.
And I would take you up on your offer to pick up the tab--the first time. If the restaurant didn't burn down to the ground with both of our ego's in the same physical location, taking us with it, I might pick up the second tab.
I would ask you to remain below the legal driving limit with your beer though. Or you would need to give me your keys to begin with.
I am not waiting for your unsarcastic, as usual (wink wink) response.
Carmine....
Quit giving the Catholic Church a pass in terms of dealing with its pedophile problem. One case of abuse by a Catholic priest is way too much.
If we were talking about pedophiles in general, which we weren't, I would have told you that ignoring any & all pedophile behavior is terrible....which it is...
Quit defending the abuse that is going on in the Catholic Church. Who cares if its 1.7% or 5% or 20%.....its despicable & you're despicable if you defend or ignore the behavior....
Your silence in dealing with a couple of the questions that I ask you about the problem is typical of you...
I don't really care where you get your historical information from, its weak & much of it is untrue...
In short, you're just a narrow minded old man who missed the "truth bus" a long, long time ago....
"Carmine:
Root Beer and Pizza I could do. I don't drink, cuss, swear, smoke, do drugs or have any other bad habits." Jeffrey
If you don't count holier than thou, obnoxious, know-it-all, narcissist.
Carmine A. DiFazio
"Carmine....
Quit giving the Catholic Church a pass in terms of dealing with its pedophile problem. One case of abuse by a Catholic priest is way too much." El lobo
Agree. BUT stop making it just a Catholic problem. It isn't. It is a societal problem. Do the research instead of believing the liberal left media. Then you can talk about the truth and be truthful not disingenuous.
Carmine A. DiFazio
El Lobo
Read what I posted to Jeffrey about how little I'm concerned about what he thinks and writes. Then reduce it by a factor of 100 times 100 to get how little I am concerned for your thoughts and posts.
You and he are cut from the same cloth, paper thin. Wilts when wet.
Carmine A. DiFazio