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Friday, June 15, 2012 | 2 a.m.
How could a person running for the office of the president of the United States say we do not need more firefighters, more policemen and more teachers? Has he forgotten the sacrifice those police officers and firefighters made on 9/11? On that day they did what they were hired to do and more without regard for their own safety or how much they were getting paid. I believe these people do this every day. Everyone knows there is not a 9/11 every day, but there could be, and I appreciate them being there.
As for teachers, there is no more noble profession. We hinder them from using their ability to educate our children, then blame them when they fail. If these professionals are hindered from speaking up for themselves, then we, the people of this country, need to speak up for them.
They will have my support and those of the people I know and respect.
Talk about selective hearing
Ken - The point of the debate between Obama and Romney was the role of the Federal government in running local governments
Should the purpose of the Federal Government be to give money for one year to a local government so that a couple of Union public worker get a pay raise and pension bump like Las Vegas Teachers.
The 2009 Obama stimulus did that going for increased salaries and benefit in Nevada - but no new hires and it fail - resulting in lay-offs of public worker when the stimulus ran out.
If las Vegas wants more public workers then they can hire them themselves. Nevada could do what Wisconsin did and keep all the jobs
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Ken "They will have my support and those of the people I know and respect." just not my Federal tax dollars and borrowed money from China
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Do not act like Joy Behar who said that Romney's house should burn down and there will be no Mormon firemen
The letter writer suffers from a bad case of " do it if it feels good". This is a typical Leftist view of the world in which there is no connection between common sense and budget limitations. Notice that the writer pays no attention to the fact that state and local governments across the nation must limit the damage done by the excessive cost structures that result from overly generous public union compensation deals. As with most Leftists the letter writer prefers to do what "feels good" rather than he does applying common sense to restore fiscal discipline and balance to state and local government.
Apparently, to Mitt Romney, police officers, firefighters, and teachers are not people but corporations are people.
We do need public servants but we must also see to it that their salaries, benefits and work rules make sense and are fiscally responsible. We haven't done that.
Michael
Aparently Hamm doesn't understand satire. Mitt was referring, obliquely, to the rapid growth of government while the private sector (that's most of us, Ken) suffer tremendous financial difficulties and losses. I think the beat cop and the fireman who are on the front lines can never paid enough for the job they do because of the hardship and peril they face in protecting us but that doesn't mean there aren't budget constraints on what we pay can them. There are and always will be until we get rid of the "entitlement" parasites and use that money to increase their pay.
I agree with the letter writer BUT public service employees' pay and benefits must have parity with the private sector employees. Over the years, and still, a schism developed with the public sector far outpacing the private sector. This can't and won't continue.
CarmineD
Did they layoff the guy who used to come into firehouses and roll the fireman over so they wouldn't get bed sores yet?
Public worker unemployment is just 4.2% - close to full employment
The private sector that pays for the public sector union workers salary and benefit has over 8.2% unemployment - double the public sector.
Obama has a $3.9 trillion annual budget to spend - 43% is borrowed money - and Obama claims he must have more money to buy public union worker votes in his re-election.
In Nevada, to compare the retirement package of policeman & firemen with teachers is wrong...
Its a case of comparing apples with oranges!
Yes, policeman & fireman can retire after 20 years on the job & receive full benefits.....that's simply not true with teachers!
A teacher must teach 30 years to be entitled to full benefits at retirement. Very few, if any, teachers retire before the age of 55 with most teachers still in the classroom at age 60...
Also, firemen make as much in over-time as they do with their regular salary.......teachers are NEVER paid for over-time.
One might argue that policeman & fireman put their life on the line every day and that justifies the higher salary & better benefits, compare to teachers.
There may be some truth with that belief but when was the last time we lost a fireman in the line of duty?
we could certainly use more teachers...
badly...
but...
cops...
hee hee hee...
we already have enough civilian killing metro cops...
we already have enough civilian beating henderson cops...
and for firemen...
hee hee hee...
hoo hoo hoo...
haa haa haa...
sorry charlie...
they need to all be fired...
outsourced...
they are paid way way too much...
175k a year on average...
frickin joke...
fire them all...
start for scratch...
at 1/3 rd the salary...
triple the number of firemen...
presto...
not one additional tax dollar...
ladies and gentlemen...
boys and girls...
this ain't rocket science...
we have just been hoodwinked...
and our politicians are stooges...
clowns like tom collins...
like chris guinchiliani...
these jokers never met a union campaign contribution they didn't like...
and remember this boys and girls...
BIRDIE IS A PROUD LIBERAL DEMOCRAT!!!
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First, I would like to extend my great appreciation to the letter writer, Ken Hamm, for having the courage and compassion to write expressing his point of view. Most readers don't either realize or acknowledge their lack of ability or interest in service as a public servant to their community.
Public servants have the unique working situation of being there in a time of crisis. When a disaster hits, they are obligated to set aside their personal concerns and assist the public. This is a part of the professional code. They are soldiers of a different class, tailored to meet the needs of the public they serve.
In the past, public servants were appreciated and held with regard/respect. Over the years, when the public began to have a culture of "attitude", and decide being disrespectful and rude got them whatever they wanted, it appears that it was then the public servant sector began to look for better pay and working conditions. Just a little history lesson here. Cause and effect, if you will. Just talk to some of the old timers--they remember how it all transpired.
Service to your country, to your community is an honorable thing. We can either say it or pay it, that we treasure those who serve because it is in them to CARE.
Sir Winston Churchill once declared that, "If we don't learn from the lessons of the past, we are doomed to repeat it." Learn from history.
Blessings and Peace,
Star
Ken: You missed the etch-a-sketch moment. Romney now claims he DIDN'T say it. Obviously, all of the video tapes showing otherwise are fraudulent...
He just MIGHT be believable if he tried to claim that he didn't mean what he said.
"How could a person running for the office of the president of the United States say we do not need more firefighters, more policemen and more teachers?"
Hamm -- the flaw in your logic is the White House has next to nothing to do with firefighters, et al. Those are entirely local positions usually under the direct jurisdiction of municipalities.
"We do need public servants but we must also see to it that their salaries, benefits and work rules make sense and are fiscally responsible."
wtplv -- you got that one right. So many forget public employees are there by grace only, since they produce nothing and are essentially parasites on the backs of the people.
"I agree with the letter writer BUT public service employees' pay and benefits must have parity with the private sector employees."
CarmineD -- you can blame the municipalities for those sweet contracts. We the people are poorly represented in that regard.
"I heartily accept the motto, 'That government is best which governs least'; and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically." -- Henry David Thoreau 1849 "On the Duty of Civil Disobedience"
Public servants are overpaid and underworked and what little work they do manage to accomplish is very shoddy. The kids graduating from school can't read and have no real skills. The fireman have never lost a foundation and the cops are all trigger happy.
"CarmineD -- you can blame the municipalities for those sweet contracts. We the people are poorly represented in that regard." KillerB
True for the state, county and local levels. At the Federal Government level it's been the Office of Personnel Management [OPM] and before it the Civil Service Commission which increased pay and benefits for Federal civilian employees with carte blanche. Usually with the blessing of Congress directly and/or indirectly with little if any comments/review from outside the government realm.
CarmineD
KillerB
Henry David Thoreau is one of my favorite Americans. Thanks for the quote from him. It was as true in 1849 as it is today. The true sign of wisdom for the ages.
CarmineD
"$274,309-a-year firefighter" got their job back via arbitration.
I'm sure the nation was severely weakened while this vital first responder was out on suspension.
http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/arbitration-...
Ken, the vast majority of police and firefighters watched the events of 911 on the television, just like you and me. What's disgraceful is that firefighters and police in Clark County, NV stepped on the backs of those dead heroes and took advantage of the warm fuzzies New York's bravest gave us.
And let's be real honest about those NY Firefigthers, being the only ones wielding axes, it was fire fighters who smashed the windows of all the high-end shops and proceeded to loot the place as if it were South Central after the Rodney King verdict
If the fire department can continue to function when the FF are it sick three months of the year, we clearly have too many fire fighters, not too few. Crime across the country is down, so there is no need for more armed thugs roaming the streets without accountability.
Now I believe we could use more qualified teachers, unfortunately the teachers themselves disagree. When faced with the decision of more teachers or more money for each teachers, the teachers decided that smaller class sizes were less important than their own bottom line. So, if I am asked to choose between my bottom line and smaller class sizes, I'll take my cue from the professionals and choose my bottom line as well.
How can anyone being paid $250,000 per year be considered a public "servant"?
There was a time when being a police officer was considered a noble profession. Not anymore. The people who gravitate towards law enforcement tend to be abusive and controlling. Many are sociopaths. They are all authoritarians.
Firefighters used to be above reproach. Not anymore. The way they took advantage of taxpayers with their sick leave abuse is disgusting. I don't believe people with only a high school diploma should ever be paid an average of $175,000 annually, especially when they are public "servants".
Teaching is a noble profession and we should have more of them. It seems that they are valued the least of the three professions mentioned because they are the least paid. Unfortunately, teachers appear to be their own worst enemy.
The only thing wrong with some public employee salary structures is the longevity pay increases that sometimes don't get capped and aren't based on performance. Some public employees make the same or less than their private sector counterparts, so let's not overly generalize.
Then again, I don't want to see a bus driver making 100k a year and doing a lousy job of it on my dime either.
"Some public employees make the same or less than their private sector counterparts, so let's not overly generalize."
The operative word is "some." In the most recent studies that have been done and publicized, the vast majority of Federal civilian job positions/categories have higher pay and more generous benefits, based on years of experience, than their counterparts in the private sector. That is not an over generalization. It is true.
In part due to the bad economic times. Why? Private industry can and does reduce salaries in bad times. Not in the Federal government. Salaries, at worst, stay the same and that is a rarity. More often than not, the salaries rise year over year. It's even been given a name: "Pay creep." Without any action, the annual salaries automatically rise, ion good times and bad, across the board for all government civilians every year. Over a career, it's a huge pay advantage compared to the private sector.
CarmineD
I want to correct my post above. The term is called "grade creep."
Here is a June 12, 2012 article on the subject.
http://www.federaltimes.com/article/2012...
CarmineD
Another article on the grade creep from Nov 2011 and its affect on inflating federal civilian salaries over the private sector salaries.
http://www.federaltimes.com/article/2012...
CarmineD
Sorry: here is the link for the Nov 2011 article on grade creep.
http://www.federaltimes.com/article/2011...
CarmineD
The lying talking point of the so-called republicans that private workers make more than private workers has been debunked so many time by the experts, but the Brownshirt wingnuts won't let it go.
This is an election year and everyone knows that the irresponsible so-called republicans try to blame the government for everything that the fiscally irresponsible republicans do while in office.
Yes, government is a problem when the totalitarian corrupt and incompetent so-called republicans control "We the People's" government.
These despicable so-called republicans attack our educational system and blame the teachers for anything and everything. They want to demonize public schools and the teachers so they can get charter schools for their corrupt corporate cronies cronies.
They also push the voucher system so that the parents of children in private schools will get a voucher paid for by the taxpayer.
When AZ first came out with a voucher system, 75% of those that received vouchers were in private schools.
Also, the so-called republicans have been dumbing down America for years so that workers will have just a minimum of education--only enough to do the job.
They want their children to have a good education at taxpayer expense, but they don't want your children to have a good education. That way, your children will be the serfs and their children will be the master.
Just type in-"Charter school corruption"
Using the current telephone book for CCSD and the Transparent Nevada salary information for CCSD for 2011, I found the salaries and benefits paid for the following people in the CCSD Communications Office.
Chief Communications Officer, Amanda Fulkerson, 51,209 (she was only employed for part of 2011)(Salary is over 100k)
Director, Cynthia Sell 123,290.99
Coordinator III, Michael T. Rodriguez, 103,033.75
Public Information Specialist, David Roddy, 98,481.06
Public Information Specialist, Dave Sheehan, 104,389.96
Public Information Specialist, Penny Ramos-Bennett, 70,332.10
Public Information Specialist, Melinda Malone, no
information available, probably not hired until 2012
Communications Assistant, Anthony Springer, no information available, probably not hired until 2012
Photographer, Michele Nelson, 69,928.21
Graphic Artist II, position vacant
Officer Supervisor, Loreasa Nary, 55,262.63
Secretary III, Jacquelyn Robinson, 64,009.61
Office Specialist II, Keely Brown, 61,177.34
Total cost for pay and benefits for 2011 is $696,724.99 with three positions with salary data not available.It takes an office of 12 people to tell us how good CCSD is. Not one of these 12 people teaches students.
Just as a point of comparison, the maximum pay for a teacher with a PHD and maximum experience with benefits is 93,785. There are at least 5 people in the communications office that make as much if not more that amount.
This is a link to the CCSD phone book.
http://ccsd.net/district/directory/resou......
This is a link to Transparent Nevada.
Vidi hit the nail on the head when he said:
".....the so-called republicans have been dumbing down America for years so that workers will have just a minimum of education--only enough to do the job.
They want their children to have a good education at taxpayer expense, but they don't want your children to have a good education. That way, your children will be the serfs and their children will be the master."
Wow! That tells it exactly as it is...Thanks Vidi for your post!
We should all be watching what is going on in Louisiana where the Republicans are openly dismantling the public educational system in that state.
This fall the Republicans will be using public tax payers dollars to support private schools...
Using the current CCSD phone book and the 2011 Transparent Nevada salary and benefits information for 2011, I was able to find the following information for Employee-Management Relations. The salary and benefits information is for 2011. The information for 2012 will not be available until the end of the year.
Associate Superintendent, Dr. Edward Goldman, 191,266.71
Administrative Secretary III, Nina Papazis, 86,883.08
Director II Fran Juhasz, 139,309.47
Coordinator IV, Don (Doc) Harris, 127,704.10
Coordinator IV, Christopher Greathouse, 120,898.46
Coordinator IV, Mollie Lyman, 49,805.00 (only hired for part of year)
Coordinator IV, Darrin Puana, 128,008.70
Coordinator IV, Denise Thistlewaite, 125,475.04
Coordinator IV, Kim Radich, 121,220.77
Office Supervisor, Charlene Ullyott, 58,250.08
Secretary III, Kaylon Johnson-Vincent, 58,250.08
Personnel Analyst, Carol Aden, 79,435.65
Personnel Analyst, America Lomeli, 63,574.91
Personnel Analyst, Amy Bradsahw-Kelly, 56,337.07
Total for salary and benefits for 2011 was 1,406,419.12. None of the staff are teachers, and part of their duties are to negotiate contracts with the CCSD unions. Just as a point of comparison, the maximum pay for a teacher with a PHD and maximum experience with benefits is 93,785. There are at least 8 people in Employee-Management Relations that make as much if not more that amount. The average pay and benefits for a teacher is between 60K and 70K.
This is a link to the CCSD phone book.
http://ccsd.net/district/directory/resou.........
This is a link to Transparent Nevada.
http://transparentnevada.com/salaries/cl.........
These are the people that support the CCSD school trustees. The information came from the current CCSD phone book and from Transparent Nevada.
Executive Assistant, Cindy Krohn, 112776.80
Transcriber/recording secretary, Stephanie Gatlin, 74265.07
Administrative Secretary II, Lisa Chrapcynski, 70342.62
Administrative Secretary II, Norma Herrera, 72881.95
Administrative Secretary I, 61883.33
The total cost for this office is 392149.77. None of these 5 people is a teacher.
This is a link to the CCSD phone book.
http://ccsd.net/district/directory/resou............
This is a link to Transparent Nevada.
http://transparentnevada.com/salaries/cl............
According to the current CCSD phone book, these are the people who work in the Superintendent's Office. The pay data, which include benefits, came from Transparent Nevada.
Superintendent, Dwight Jones, 396,202.83
Secretary to the Superintendent, Elizabeth Carrero, 143,720.44
Administrative Secretary III, Joyce Pistone, 88,633.98
Administrative Secretary II, Debbie Eloi, 98,583.43
Administrataive Secretary I, Carmen West, 75,587.00
Secretaru III, Pamela Banaszynski, 61,262.93
The total for these 6 people is 863,990.61. Not one is a teacher or in a classroom. The maximum pay and benefits for a teacher with a PHD and maximum years of service is 93475. There are three people working in the superintendent's office that make more than that amount.
This is a link to the CCSD phone book.
http://ccsd.net/district/directory/resou............
This is a link to Transparent Nevada.
http://transparentnevada.com/salaries/cl............
Ken Hamm......Good letter.
The most over-payed people in the U.S. are
republican CEO'S.
Some make over 10 million a year PLUS BONUSES.
No republican commentors crying about them?
I wonder why?
Those are the people who stole the wages from
hard working Americans.
Oh, Star, Churchill also said, "When a man is in his 20s, if he is not a liberal, he has no heart. If, when that man is in his 40s and he is not a Conservative, he has no brains." Churchill hit a home run with that statement!
Yant was paid $143,479.01 ($1.7 million settlement)
Alan Hirjak $142,085.97
Darrin Densley $176,127.66
Greg S. Theobald $161,475.
Steven Radmanovich $129,584.82
Edward Little $108,892.71
Richard Dean Goslar $188,571.55 ($125,00 settlement
Brett Seekatz $161,930.57 ($300,000) settlement
Bob Rogers $172,177.96,
Jerry Montes $168,059.29
Bob Lewis $275,254.75 The last three are responsible for a ($900,000) settlement
A Sad Teacher supports paying these criminal cops more than $1.8 million dollars last year despite the fact they have cost us more than $3 million dollars in settlements.
And he/she wonders why we won't support him/her agenda.
"The lying talking point of the so-called republicans that private workers make more than private workers has been debunked so many time by the experts,"
A brilliant enlightening lead-off statement. Congrats. You outdid even your own self once again.
CarmineD
Tanker 1975:
Thanks for posting the salaries. It's one ting to read the words about extravagant waste of taxpayer money. It's another to see the $ amounts. Perhaps these people are paid properly. I don't know for sure. But it certainly makes the case that these public employees are not underpaid by any means. In fact when compared to the private sector just the opposite.
CarmineD
The traditional Republican party of Eisenhower, Dirksen, Rockefeller, Ford, even Nixon with all his many faults, and some others, no longer exists.
Those wearing the republican label now are Fascists that are totalitarian, corrupt, and incompetent that have adopted Hitler and Goebbels Big Lie propaganda-tell lies, even preposterous lies and repeat them over and over to fool the American people and to even brainwash them.
Their enablers are Fox Fraudcasting, Cato, Heritage foundation and others, hate radio, pseudo newspapers,web sites and bloggers that perpetuate the Fascist's Big Lie 24/7, everyday and have done so for years.
Fascists hate organized resistance and they do everything in their power to destroy Unions whether they are in the private sector or the public.
Unions are a threat to these Fascist criminals because they are organized, so the Fascists try to demonize them by constantly lying about them to the citizens of America.
Unions are the strongest protectors of Freedom in the USA. If and when they are gone, you will be defenseless.
Form your own opinion, don't let the Fascists form your opinion for you with the use of the "Big Lie."
And thanks too Clark Crimcops. The names and salaries speak volumes.
CarmineD
"Unions are the strongest protectors of Freedom in the USA. If and when they are gone, you will be defenseless."
At 7-11 percent membership, unions are on life support. Surprise surprise. Workers are not the worse for it. In fact, many Wisconsin union employees voted for Gov Scott Walker in the recall. More than did so in the initial election.
Lad, your silliness is showing. Again.
CarmineD
The problem is not the people (public servants) doing their job if they do it well. The problem is the elected officials that fail to perform their fiduciary duties. Obviously, no one has "supervised" the contract negotiators and arbitrators for a long time. Seems their ONLY interest has been how much more to compensate based on how much more can be taxed--without realizing that taxation is LIMITED. It is shameful that we are taxing more than the people and the economy can afford. We can figure this out by looking at the unemployed and retired who have difficulty living on limited incomes. They'd have more resources if they hadn't been taxed so much while they were working. We see current politicians more concerned about bringing in more illegal immigrants than in going after employers of illegals. Giving work permits to almost a million illegals means they have a "right to work" which will sometimes to often eclipse your right to work. It is one thing to say you are interested in providing jobs but then your actions are to spend on non-job related programs--that is further COMPOUNDING THE JOBS Problem. Every dollar taxed and every dollar spent plus every dollar of deficit strains the economy further. There are good public servants but that does not mean their services are essential. There are public servants who perform well in essential jobs but that does NOT make them priceless. Their compensation must be reasonable in all respects. Now we have to make up for the poor performance of our elected officials and over-payments for decades. If we could immediately fix the over-compensation, we still have to pay off the deficits and obligations. That will continue to drain our economy. We need to do everything reasonable to allow our economy to function--to make up for all this past nonsense.
Unions built the middle class in this country & if we lose our middle class, we lose our democracy....
One of the first things that Hitler did when he gained power in Germany was to out law all unions.
He did that before he did away with all political parties other than the National Socialist Party.
Unions have been taking a beating the last several years but unions are far from being dead in the water...
The re-election of President Obama and the Democrats keeping control of the Senate, & taking back many of the seats in the House, will greatly help and encourage the resurance of unions...
I find it interesting that Germany, probably the country with the best economy in all of Europe, has many unions.
The brain-dead right-wingers would have us believe that its the unions in this country that has caused much of our present debacle but that's simply not true...
George W Bush and his brain-dead economic policies caused our whole economy to fall apart. George drove the economic bus into a big ditch & then got out from behind the wheel & walked away...
A vote for Mitt Romney is a vote to bring back the policies of George W Bush....
Don't be fooled with the propaganda out that claims that Romney is a "job creator." His record as an elected official does not validate that belief. ....
He did a terrible job as the governor of Massachusetts when it came to job creation..
Under his inept leadership, Massachusetts was 47th in job creation....
El_Lobo and Vidi....GREAT COMMENTS AGAIN.
My non-union friends are always talking about how
bad their working conditions are and how much thay
wish they had a union.
Carmine and other greedy republicans are SLAVES TO
THEIR REPUBLICAN SLAVE MASTERS.
These republicans WILL NEVER care about the
middle class.
Lucky for us, their heartless thinking is the
minority in our country.
WE WILL OUT VOTE THESE FOOLS IN NOVEMBER!!!
UNIONS FOREVER!!!
Teamster:
After all the times I tell you, you still get it wrong. I'm an independent. Always was and always will be. Gives me the option to vote for the best candidate regardless of party in the general elections.
CarmineD
Unions were relevant and necessary at one time. Not any more.
CarmineD
Teamster...
Carmine is an IINO! In other words, he's an "Independent" in name only....
He hasn't voted for a Democrat since right before the great flood! His views are so far to the right that it would be impossible for him to ever come back to the middle...
Humor him...at his age he needs that! Also, his beliefs hurts no one!
Independent in reality. One of the few around, I'm told. I've probably voted for more Dems than you and paid more in union dues. BTW, my dear wife is a Dem.
You're living in the glory days of the past and you call me old.
CarmineD
@teamster...First off, you need to realize that a call to end public unions is not an attack on unions that represent private workers.Look at it this way, when any of the locals are negotiating a contract, do the owners get a vote as to whether or not the union accepts the terms? No, they don't. But with public unions,the workers are, in fact the owners. And look what happens when the workers asked themselves is they deserved more money. Of course the owners told themselves they deserved it and on and on it went until there was no more money.
And before you launch your battle cry "WE WILL OUT VOTE THESE FOOLS IN NOVEMBER!!" consider that same sentiment echoed throughout Wisconsin a month ago. It was quickly swallowed up by the winds of fiscal responsibility.
Carmine.....Carmine....
I have very little faith in your attempt to convince me that you have voted for more Democrats than I have.
I look at you & I see a guy who hides behind an "Independent blanket" but continues to vote Republican in election after election...
I have ask you several times if you voted for, say Barry Goldwater in 1964, but you always run away by saying that who you voted for is none of my business...
How in the world did you ever convince a smart lady such as your wife to marry you?
Unfortunately, she has been unable to bring you around to the correct view point..
Hopefully, she won't give up!
Clark Crimcops said to Teamster:
"And before you launch your battle cry "WE WILL OUT VOTE THESE FOOLS IN NOVEMBER!!" consider that same sentiment echoed throughout Wisconsin a month ago. It was quickly swallowed up by the winds of fiscal responsibility."
Not sure how you came up with that evaluation concerning the recent election in Wisconsin...
Actually, the Republicans were able to keep their governor in office by a very small margin & they also were able to prevent the recall of several other elected officials (by small margins) but the whole thing had NOTHING to do with fiscal responsibility...
The GOP out spent the Democrats by 6 or 8 to one....The huge amount of money spent, with most of it from outside the state, was the difference...
Most polls show Obama leading Romney in the Badger state....
The big question for the Democrats, as we head toward November, is the voter turn-out. If the Democrats are successful in getting their voters to the polls, Obama will easily get re-elected.
Democrats out number the Republicans in voter registration by almost a 2-1 margin.
The registered Democrats came out to vote in 2008 & Obama won in a cake-walk!
Many republicans know that very thing and that's why the Republican governor of Florida is doing his best to keep many currently registered Democrats from voting come November..
What the Florida governor is doing actually violates the Federal Voting Act of 1965 but laws often mean little to right-wing elected officials...
The GOP is doing their best to again steal Florida, as they did in 2000...
El_Lobo....right on the mark again.
YES, the greedy republicans are doing their best
to steal Florida as they did in 2000.
I don't think it will work this time, to many
people are on to it.
YES, we DEMOCRATS out-number republicans by a
large margin.
AND WE WILL OUT-VOTE THEM IN NOVEMBER!!!
The majority of Americans CAN'T AFFORD
GREEDY, ANTI-UNION REPUBLICANS!!!
Carmine.....
Don't peddle that anti-union BS here.
We don't buy it. for a second.
Americans need unions NOW, MORE THAN EVER.
Right here in Vegas, my non-union friends tell
me how they are getting shafted on their jobs.
Bad working conditions and too many part-time
workers.
AND LOW PAY.
LIVE BETTER/WORK UNION!!!
AND to all anti-union republicans.
We have never had this much of a wage gap, from
rich to poor, IN OUR HISTORY.
THANKS FOR NOTHING!!!
Teamster:
It's not me that is anti-union that matters. It's the majority of Americans who are. You're the minority, the outcast, the dinosaur. And for all the wrong reason, your own self-aggrandizement. Americans who consistently are more and more anti-union have it right.
Working conditions are bad here in Las Vegas for employees? Then what have you and your union buddies done about it for them?
CarmineD
El Lobo:
What relevance does it have who I voted for in 1964? That's ancient history.
I was a Chief Steward for AFSCME. Unions were relevant and necessary then. No more.
You change with the times or you live in the past.
Text/class room studies are a good thing. But they are not the only thing. Life lessons are important too. You still have a long way to go in that department.
CarmineD
El Lobo:
You should try listening to other news sources beside CNN. You sound like their polly parrot repeating their news reports.
Take note that after over 12 months of virtually ONLY Fox coverage, NBC finally, finally, on the evening news covered Eric Holder and the DOJ coverup. What took them so long?
CarmineD
@el lobo..."And before you launch your battle cry "WE WILL OUT VOTE THESE FOOLS IN NOVEMBER!!" consider that same sentiment echoed throughout Wisconsin a month ago. It was quickly swallowed up by the winds of fiscal responsibility."
Not sure how you came up with that evaluation concerning the recent election in Wisconsin..."
Is, "The entitled liberals in Wisconsin organizes a recall for the governor based on his attempt to break public unions. The pro-parasite faction filled the state with chants to 'vote him out.' They failed and those chants were lost in the wind."
What make me sad is how teamster reinforces the concept of the uneducated union worker. He just can't get his mind around the very real concept that public unions are entirely different than unions representing private workers. And one can abhor one and not the other.
Two defeats for unions in two weeks. At home in Wisconsin and abroad in Greece. Conservatives took both elections. CONSERVATIVES. Get use to it.
Union fans are living in the over-the-hill glory days long past. Once a real necessity and useful, unions are no longer relevant. Even unionized employees vote for non-union candidates both home and abroad.
UNIONS are dead/life-support.
CarmineD