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Heck rejects Akin’s belief that pregnancy doesn’t occur from forcible rape

Joe Heck

Joe Heck

RENO — Rep. Joe Heck on Tuesday did what most of his Republicans have done and condemned Missouri Rep. Todd Akin’s comments that “legitimate rape” doesn’t result in a pregnancy.

But as a doctor, he went a step further and disavowed the belief held by some in the anti-abortion movement that the physical or emotional trauma of rape counteracts a pregnancy.

“I must have missed that lecture in school,” said Heck, an emergency medicine doctor who considers himself pro-life. “I didn’t get that from my OB-GYN lectures. I’m not sure how that happens. I was never taught that.”

The idea that a pregnancy can’t result from forcible rape has percolated as a reason some use to oppose abortions after rape.

Akin, who is running against Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill, has refused to bow to mounting pressure to drop out of the campaign.

Last week he told a local television interviewer: “From what I understand from doctors, [pregnancy from rape] is really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”

Heck joined other Republicans, including Sen. Dean Heller, in condemning Akin’s comments.

“That is certainly a comment that is offensive, reprehensible and indefensible,” Heck said. “As a physician, as a husband, as a father of two daughters, those comments are way out of line.”

Heck dismissed the idea that Akin’s comments would further Democrats efforts to convince voters Republicans are waging a “war on women.”

Heck, who was in Reno campaigning for the GOP presidential hopeful Mitt Romney, said women will vote on the “same pocketbook issues as men.”

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  1. Akin is toast. Representative Heck made a statement without mentioning the truly jaw dropping statement by Akin: "legitimate rape". The two words, when used in the same sentence, are totally diametrically opposed. There is no such thing as "LEGITIMATE RAPE". What part of that two word portion of a sentence don't these people get? No parsing, interpretation, understanding, or definition of those two words can be supported, defended, "spun", walked back, or redefined. RAPE IS RAPE. There is no such thing as LEGITIMATE RAPE. Akin needs to withdraw his candidacy for the US Senate, and quietly disappear. Note to Dr. Heck: Stand up and declare the fact that pregnancy as a result of rape is purely BIOLOGICAL. Like any other instance of sexual intercourse, without male or female contraceptive devices interceding.

  2. Anjeanette, maybe you want to follow up with Representative Heck:

    HECK VOTED TO REDEFINE RAPE, in May of last year when he voted for the Akin/Ryan-sponsored H.R. 3, which, among other things, unnecessarily qualified rape as "forcible."

    Can anyone in the Nevada press bother to ask Joe Heck what other kinds of rape there are?

  3. Anjeanette, maybe you could also ask Representative Heck:

    The GOP establishment today adopted their platform, which called for abortion to be outlawed. They made no exception for rape or incest.

    Does Joe Heck agree?

  4. Re renorobert: "minors who get pregnant thru "WILLING BUT NON-CONSENSUAL SEX". How can sex be "willing", but yet, "non consensual". Get a Grip.

  5. I think he meant willing between partners but "non-consenual" in that a minor (or minors) can not legally consent. I'd wager that at least 70% of everyone who posts here could have been charged in some fashion for things they did as a minor with a willing friend.

  6. Yup, so when a 13 year-old "consents" to sex with a 40 year-old, she'll be forced to carry the child to term under Joe Heck's vote.

    That's the America Joe Heck and the GOP want to see.

  7. There is no legal consensual sex between an under aged girl and an adult male. No exceptions. It doesn't matter, legally, whether she "consented" or not. That's the law, like it or not.

  8. Rep. Heck voted for a bill (HR3) brought forth by Akin/Ryan about abortion. Even though he condemns what Akin stated, Heck reveals himself to be a total hypocrite.

    It came out today that Reince What'sHisFace, the RNC Chairman, stated it is the definitive GOP platform they are against all forms of abortion.

    And since Heck NEVER EVER bucks against his GOoPer masters, he is trusted and compelled to toe the ultra-conservative line. And, judging from his horrible voting record, he will not disappoint them. This means that what Heck just said regarding all this is total nonsense.

    In Nevada, according to the GOP, if a woman is impregnated in a despicable act of incest by her father, then she MUST have that child. No exceptions.

    In Nevada, according to the GOP, if a woman is impregnated during a violent act of rape, then SHE must have that child. Even if she could die from injuries incurred during that rape.

    Both of these instances Heck agrees with since he follows the GOP platform. He has never deviated in his vote patterns. Cut and dried. No exceptions. Heck is against abortion. PERIOD.

    People need to wake up.

    This IS the Tea/Republican Party nowadays. They are Christian Conservative evangelical ultra-conservative nut cases. And their fanaticism knows no boundaries. And Heck is even worse than Heller because of his nutty views that pretty much fall in line with the Tea Party (such as "Social Security is a Ponzi scheme.").

    Heck, maybe inadvertently, is immersed in with these nuts. Whether he likes it or not. THIS is what his dumb political party is all about now on social issues. And the sad thing is that, if re-elected, his record shows he will NEVER go against them and vote according to what his constituents in his district want.

    CD3 don't need fanatics in government representing them. He is a proven total hypocrite.

    C'mon, CD3, you deserve better than Heck. Get rid of him. Get someone better.

  9. "There is no legal consensual sex between an under aged girl and an adult male. No exceptions. It doesn't matter, legally, whether she "consented" or not. That's the law, like it or not."

    Exactly. This GOP fantasy of consensual rape is appalling.

  10. Joe Heck is (claims to be) a Roman Catholic. As such, he claims that the Pope is infallible. When election time comes however, he can disagree with the Pope can re-states the Word of God as public furor demands it for voter support.

    Nice to know that Vox Dei Vox Populi is still connection and in service, Ryan being the voice of the People, what else?

  11. We've been rewarding hypocrisy for centuries. Why stop now?

  12. "The idea that a pregnancy can't result from forcible rape has percolated as a reason some use to oppose abortions after rape. . . . ."That is certainly a comment that is offensive, reprehensible and indefensible," Heck said. "As a physician, as a husband, as a father of two daughters, those comments are way out of line."

    Heck spoke well on this one.

    "Can someone please explain what unforced rape is?"

    "Can anyone in the Nevada press bother to ask Joe Heck what other kinds of rape there are?"

    sqrly, ksand93 -- sure, I'll give it a go. It's unforced contact or any situation where any woman can later decide she felt uncomfortable and/or report it as a crime. Thanx to VP Biden and his VAWA no defense is allowed.

    "Akin is toast."

    ressince73 -- you wish. It's up to the voters in one Missouri district who decide, not those in this Discussion. And it's not called the Bible Belt for nothing.

    "Statutory rape is often not "forcible." Just because a person is not legally (due to age or other factors) allowed to consent to sex, doesn't preclude that person from actually saying "YES" or even being the aggressor."

    renorobert -- good to see some reality injected into this Discussion!

    "I think he meant willing between partners but "non-consenual" in that a minor (or minors) can not legally consent. I'd wager that at least 70% of everyone who posts here could have been charged in some fashion for things they did as a minor with a willing friend."

    boftx -- good post. Statutory rape is a legal fiction this police state uses to ruin people and families. Like the guy from Kansas who married his 14 yo girlfriend, with the requisite parental consent, carrying his child, then moved north to Nebraska for a job and the local prosecutor went after him for statutory rape. People forget under the common law age girls could marry at 12. In much of the world falling to Islam a girl is eligible to marry at the onset of menses. Balance this with the trend of prosecutors everywhere to try and convict kids for sexting -- essentially they're their own child porn victims!

    "Religious beliefs should never, ever, be the basis on which law is enacted. Religion has no place in politics. . . . .Women's health issues, including abortion and birth control are no ones business except hers and her doctor's."

    SusanKH -- nice to see an actual woman post here, assuming that from your name. And a big Amen to all that! People forget Roe v. Wade was based on exactly that right to privacy. In my humble opinion those of us without wombs, or our seed cooking in one, have no opinion worth paying any attention to.

    "Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." -- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Isaac H Tiffany (1819)

  13. I suggest the Tea/Republicans change the meaning of the abbreviation for their dumb political party. GOP should now forever stand for "Granting Oppressive Paternity."

  14. "Statutory rape is a legal fiction this police state uses to ruin people and families."

    Disgusting. Children can't vote but men can have sex with them without legal consequence?

    Yup, parents, your pre-teen daughters are "consenting" to sex with adult men.

    The GOP platform gets more and more perverse every day.

  15. "Disgusting. Children can't vote but men can have sex with them without legal consequence?"

    ksand -- first define "children" in this context. Only then maybe we can have a reasoned Discussion on this topic. Keep in mind the only one mentioning "pre-teen daughters" having "sex with adult men" is you.

    "Where once the criminal law might have stood as a well-understood and indisputable statement of shared norms in American society, now there is only a bloated compendium that looks very much like the dreaded federal tax code. The end results can be downright ugly: a soccer mom thrown in jail in a small Texas town for failing to wear a seatbelt; a 12-year-old girl arrested and handcuffed for eating french fries in a Metro station in Washington, DC; and defendants serving 25-year to life sentences in California prisons for, among other things, pilfering a slice of pizza." -- "Overextending the Criminal Law" @ http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_report/v...

  16. I'm not the one attacking statutory rape as "legal fiction."

    In your abhorrent world of adults having sex with children, at what age can a child "consent" to sex, KillerB? 8? 10? 12? 14?

  17. Honorable Congressman Heck, Thank you for your email addressing the misguided statement from your colleague Rep. Aiken. I know that you don't share his views. But Rep Aiken's view is after all mainstream Republican politics circa 2012. With the economy in desperate need of attention, there have been little legislation regarding jobs but many, many abortion bills. That would include HB3 which you supported. HB3 introduced the term "forcible rape". The Republican party has in its platform inserted language which prohibits abortion under ANY circumstance. Dr. Heck, you have a wonderful staff in Washington and in Las Vegas. I know for a fact that you have a diverse staff of every stripe, including a few who are gay. They speak in glowing terms of your character. I believe them. It's your party that scares the daylights out of couples like Robert and myself. If there is a Republican majority in all branches of government, knowing what you know about some of your gay staff and constituents could you support a federal marriage amendment which could destroy not only the lawful marriages in the states that allow them, but also civil unions and Nevada's domestic partnership law? The Republican party platform calls for the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell. You are a military man. Has letting people serve openly harmed our military in any way? These service members volunteered because they love our country just like you do. Honorable Dr. Heck, I know this election is supposed to be about the economy. I just wish you belonged to a party that thought more about the economy than social issues over these last 2 years. We wish you well in the next election. Respectfully, Stuart & Robert Wyman-Cahall.