Thursday, Aug. 9, 2012 | 2 a.m.
It’s strange, but Sen. Harry Reid is under strong attack for suggesting that Gov. Mitt Romney did not pay taxes for 10 years. After all, we only have Romney’s word that he did pay his income taxes. All Romney has to do is release his tax returns, as all presidential candidates have done. His father, George Romney, when running for the presidency, released 12 years of tax returns.







Is taking Romney's word any different than taking Reids? See what Politifact has to say about it: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...
boftx...
I don't think anyone should take anybody's word for anything...
Mitt should show his tax returns, and put an end to this whole silly charade!
Say what you want about ol' Harry's gambit...
it's WORKING!
http://www.examiner.com/article/reid-s-b...
Romney should not responded to bullying and intimidation tactics by the Obama Campaign. McCain put out two years that enough
Reid who is the number 2 politician in America has never released a tax return while amassing millions from scam land deals
These faux attacks are only to divert and distract from 23 million underemployed, 8.3
% unemployed, and 1.5% GDP growth
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Obama has no ethics or shame. The Obama ad accuses Romney of the Murder of Joe Soptic's wife is false and an outright lie.
The "Priorities USA" Obama PAC ad produced by Bill Burton focuses on the story of Joe Soptic, a former worker at GST Steel. Obama used WH staffer Stephanie Cutter to coordinate with "Priorities USA"
Joe was among those affected when the firm declared bankruptcy in 2001. Now this was three years after Romney left Bain in feb 1999.
Soptic's wife five years later was working and had health insurance through her company and died of cancer in 2006.
So Obama has lied about there not being any health insurance and Obama lied about Romney being involved in the murder of Joe's wife.
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Why should we have to take anyone's word for it? It isn't a question of who's right and who's wrong. It is a question of what is true. That is easily settled by releasing the tax returns. Otherwise we can wonder what Romney is hiding and doesn't want us to know.
Right. The IRS takes a flyer on Mitt's taxes. Richard, you can come out from under Harry's podium now.
Who knew the that steelworkers (Joe Soptic) were such wussies.
It is 'sad' to note that Mr. Mundy and so many other Americans on both sides will not 'call a spade a spade' when necessary.
I too would like to see Mitt Romney release more tax returns but he is under no legal obligation I know of to do so.
Harry Reid did not 'suggest' that Mitt Romney did not pay taxes for 10 years. He 'accused' Mitt Romney of not paying taxes for 10 years, based upon what he says someone close to Romney told him. He either will not or cannot tell us anything about the source so his accusation can be vetted by the media.
I am quite confident that if this had been done to President Obama, Mr. Mundy would have no trouble at all, 'calling a spade a spade'.
We all need to call people out who do what Harry Reid has done, regardless of whether we support or don't support the perpetrator or the victim.
Michael
How about Bernie Goldberg's word?
http://nation.foxnews.com/harry-reid/201...
Harry is a dirty liar. A disgrace to Nevada. Congress will pass a parliamentary rule to preempt its members from engaging in character assassinations in their chambers. It will be called the Reid Rule in his ignominious honor. It will be the Majority Leader's legacy to the Senate.
As well it should. He has the honor too of leading the only Senate in history not to pass a budget in 3 years.
CarmineD
No more returns. This man was vetted for the 2008 election. Has turned in additional returns for 2010 and 2011( the latter to be completed when he finalizes his 2011 return). Harry Reid is a liar who is doing the Liar in Chief's bidding in attempting to deflect attention from Obama's ugly economic record over the last three and a half years. Give the left no more--nothing. We have enough in the way of tax returns from Mitt Romney.
Mr. Jack:
I agreed with the chorus that Romney should release more returns. But, no longer. Now, I'm of the opinion 2 years is more than enough. Mitt is not George his father and IF anyone has the right to ignore the tradition Mitt, the son, does.
CarmineD
Actually that "pants on fire" rating may be inaccurate. We don't really know if Harry is lieing, it could be he does have a inside source.
What we do know is many very prominent Republicans said Romney should release his tax forms. I'm inclined to believe Romney has something to hide. We have no idea how he made part of his fortune in overseas and offshore accounts. His refusal and stubbornness only deepens the issue.
Mr. Branco:
Bull. Dirty Harry has no sources except the president and his staff. Shame on them.
Two years is enough. Take it or leave it and let's move on.
CarmineD
It does not matter whether anyone thinks Romney has something to hide. The man has been vetted. Live with it. If you don't like that ,too bad. We are all moving on to expose the Obama presidency and twisted ideals for what they are--an utter failure and a political pollution.
Those commenters accusing Harry Reid of being a liar really have no more credibility than Harry. They don't know what's in the missing tax returns either.
So Sarah Palin was chosen over Willard Mittens Romney in 2008 by John McCain... I wonder what the vetting by those people found? We don't know.
What Mark Schaffer says is true but we also don't know IF Romney's tax returns had anything at all to do with that decision.
Michael
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Well it looks liked this taxing Obama distraction has run its course.
LOL but Obama has stepped on his own lie
Everybody now knows that Reid and Obama lied
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Reid and Pelosi and Obama lied about the crony stimulus working, they lied about Dodd-Frank fixing the too big to fail banks and wall street, and they Lied about Obamacare allowing you keep your current insurance.
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But they stepped on their own lies when they dragged out the lies about Ronmeny murdering Ilyona Ranae Soptic. Ilyona Ranae Soptic had her own health insurance and Joe got a buyout pension.
Thats like say that under Obama the 261,000 people who lost their job last week may die and it's Obama's fault
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Don't look now but gas prices are back on the rise!
People will die!
Thank you Sen. Reid for calling out that sleazy bloodsucker.
The world's most famous flip-flopper is hiding the truth from the American people. He's got a $100 million 401K retirement account (how is that even possible?), and a fortune stashed in shady tax evading vehicles in Bermuda, the Caymans and Switzerland.
Etch a Sketch pays a 13.9% tax rate, which is lower than the guy who trains his dancing horse. He needs to come clean and show us the money -- all the money.
Where are the jobs that Odumbo promised? Where is the economic growth? Where is the deficit reduction? Where is the transparency?
Brancos believes Romney has something to hide? WOW! Imagine that. Brancos is the original Liberal bleeding heart. He sees Obama in his cereal. What a joke.
Romney will eventually submit his taxes for the past dozen or so years a week before the election. Thus giving the Obama camp little time to chew it over and use it against him.
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Still LOL- this attack is over and the liberal don't even know it. They over reached and blew themselves up
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Politifact has no way of determining if Reid is lying, so wouldn't their conclusion be the same as Reid's? Only Romney can prove Reid right or wrong by releasing his tax returns. The FACT is Romney refuses to honor his father's tradition and release 12 years of tax returns. Does Romney believe in honor thy father?
I realize the whining Republicans don't like the narrative of the campaign shifting to Romney. If you don't like that, too bad. Poll after poll has shown the majority of Americans want to know. More importantly the lion's share of Independents want to know. 1/3 of Republicans want to know. This will only go away when Romney stops hiding.
And the republicans squirm.
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Mitt says " I paid a lot of taxes " but the bulk of his taxes were sales taxes and property taxes.
Reid will lower the boom after the Republican convention when it's too late for the Repubs to nominate a new guy. In the meantime the Obama team gets some great footage of Romney and all his sycophants lying that he's "paid a lot of taxes". This could destroy the whole Republican party for generations! LOL
Good point Mark Schaffer; Sarah Palin chosen over Mitt Romney as McCain's running mate in 2008. My God!!! Romney is truly a disaster!!!
Sick: The wussies steel company was going down hill even before Bain tried to make a go of it. Probably due to inflexible union work rules and enviro regs.
Sick: your mixing up steel mill workers with iron workers. Nice pics though. The mill worker's story is proven to be a lie. End of story.
As Harry and Mittens continue.... Am too...Am not...Am too...Am not...Am too...Am not... Romney continues to lose what little popularity he had. Obama is trying and Ronmey has proven the he just does not care.
The Leftist continue to whine that Odumbo is "trying." Sorry Leftist, time for him to "try" to find something that he might be good at like shining shoes or cleaning public restrooms.
Mikhael...
You are SUCH a nasty troll!
You do realize the man you so disparage, your Commander in Chief, will remain so until Jan. 2017?
Behave!!!
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Bills says " Only Romney can prove Reid right or wrong..."
Now that is a lie. Reid can attempt to prove his own statement anytime by naming him fake source.
But we do not need further proof that Obama and Reid lied. They have already admitted it since Ried could Name his source. The attacker alway must prove his claim
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Anyway Obama has moved on to his next lie claiming Romney murdered Joe's wife
All the stations are carrying the fact that she had health insurance
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Sick: The Kansas City plant produced wire for mattress springs and tires, as well as high-carbon balls and rods used by the mining industry to pulverize rocks.
I doubt if they were two inches in the air.
I'm laughing my a$$ off at the repugnants crying foul. They have such short memories. How about the Swift boat lies about Sen. Kerry, just to name one. The repugs lie about everything. The Obama camp technically had nothing to do with this ad, it was done by a PAC, just like the lieing Koch Bros. ads. As far as mitten's taxes go I want to know about them. I don't care if he paid taxes or didn't pay taxes. As a Voter it will tell me about the man himself,and how he might run this Country. As for Harry, keep up the good work. The repugs have been laying it on the Dems for so long with no rebuttal, that they don't know how to react when we play their game of stretch the truth politics.
Mr Soptic may have had Ins when his wife passed, however, this is about the time in between, when he didn't have Ins. and couldn't pay for the tests to catch the cancer, and maybe save his wife's life. By the time the Soptic's got their new Ins it was way too late.
From USA Today: "Mitt Romney is defending his decision not to release more than two years of tax information, saying he's "not a business."
"I'm not a business," Romney said. "We have a process in this country, which was established by law, which provides for the transparency which candidates are required to meet. I have met with that requirement with full financial disclosure of all my investments."
Does that mean Corporations are NOT People? The consensus is that Corporations are businesses; Romney's opinion is that corporations are also people. Thus, people are businesses, or are they?
All you have is Romney's word, for the moment. Decode that word.
"Romney will eventually submit his taxes for the past dozen or so years a week before the election. Thus giving the Obama camp little time to chew it over and use it against him."
Press: You may very well be right. This is Romney's trump card. It nullifies the only argument that Obama and his campaign have.
CarmineD
What I have just read is truly disturbing. I have read the tripe the libs have posted and can say without a doubt that I am witnessing the birth of....
RDS ..... ROMNEY DERANGEMENT SYNDROME
Truly astounding..... this proves Romney will be elected. Anybody who can make the liberal mental illness manifest itself this way has to be good to go.
CarmineD - "Bull. Dirty Harry has no sources except the president and his staff. Shame on them."
And you know that for a fact because .........
LastThroes says "Etch a Sketch pays a 13.9% tax rate, which is lower than the guy who trains his dancing horse."
Sorry, but I call BS on that. Romney's 13.9% is AFTER deductions, etc. So i challenge YOU...show us what percentage YOU paid in income tax after deductions, credits, etc. Release YOUR return and show us how Romney is paying less than most. Kepp in mind before you do that 49% of wage earners in the US have a final effective tax rate of 0% or less (meaning that they got back more than they put in)
So everyone thinks Romney as part of the 1% is payign a lower rate than the 99% are huh?
Effective US Income tax Rates paid 2009:
http://taxfoundation.org/article/summary...
Bottom 50%: 1.8%
25% - 50%: 5.5%
10% - 25%: 8.2%
5% - 10%: 11.4%
So now we've covered the bottom 95% in the US and haven't hit an average effective tax rate higher than Romney's yet.
Average effective US Income Tax rate for ALL payers (including the top 1%): 11.06%
Average effective US Income Tax rate for bottom 99% of payers (excluding the top 1%): 8.4%
The whole "the rich pay a lower rate" claim was bogus from day one because it relied on comparing the EFFECTIVE rate (after deductions and credits) for the rich against the BASE rate (before deductions and credits) for everyone else.
So stop whining about Romney ONLY paying 13.9%. I can pretty much guarantee that's more than anyone here paid.
SunJon - "Does that mean Corporations are NOT People? The consensus is that Corporations are businesses; Romney's opinion is that corporations are also people. Thus, people are businesses, or are they?"
Thank you! When I read that article that's exactly what crossed my mind. Is he or is he not a "people" because he's involved in business?
"And you know that for a fact because ........."
To quote dirty Harry exactly: "An extremely credible source told me so."
CarmineD
CarmineD - "To quote dirty Harry exactly: "An extremely credible source told me so."
You know for a fact Harry is lying and that is your evidence? You are in the process of confusing not only us, but yourself as well.
When Woodward and Bernstein investigated the corruption within the Nixon White House many believed "Deep Throat" was a fictious character.
Carmine is married to one of Romney's sons. So I am told by an extremely credible source.
One thing for sure is if Bain didn't come along in 1993 Mr Soptic's steel mill would have been out of business long before 2001.
Mr. Branco:
Why can dirty Harry use that verbiage and satisfy you and I can't? You have a double standard. One for those you agree with and one for those you don't. Doesn't work that way.
CarmineD
"Carmine is married to one of Romney's sons. So I am told by an extremely credible source."
Like dirty Harry, imaginary friends don't count.
CarmineD
"How about the Swift boat lies about Sen. Kerry"
Let's see, 3 purple hearts in four months. No overnights in the hospital.
Maybe because they weren't lies.
CarmineD - "Bull. Dirty Harry has no sources except the president and his staff. Shame on them."
And you know that for a fact because .........
Vernos buddy why not ask reid if he knows the tax issue with Romney is a fact. Since none of us here can make a difference and politicians have everyones ear it seems that they make claims they better have facts. Funny how Reid made his statement on the Senate floor where he is protected from law suits.
I see two solutions....either EVERY candidate is required to release 10 years of tax returns BY LAW.......or just deal with the fact that he complied with the current law on the books. No exceptions to be made because of the millionaire Reid's call for it. In fact, how does a politician become a millionaire in office.....Mr. Reid??? Let's see YOUR tax returns Harry......
ohhh I remember how......Senators and Congressmen get insider trading information legally.....
As an independent, I listen to these arguments and find myself wondering about the True Believer nature of many of them. If political parties did not exist, would people's expressions on this subject be the same or would they be different?
Let's say I tell you that I have a $5 Bill in my front left pants pocket. True or False? How do you KNOW the answer? You might think that I have $5, you might think that I have more or less than $5, or you might think that I have the $5 but in bills or coins totaling $5, or that I have a $5 Bill in another pocket. How do you KNOW?
And if you don't KNOW, how do you go about deciding whether my statement is True or False?
Well, wouldn't you look? Or ask me to empty my pockets? That way you would know for sure.
Or, you might try to figure out if I was a liar or truthful by looking at my past statements under oath and see whether I had, in fact, made false statements while under penalty of perjury. Just 'cause I lied before doesn't mean that I'm lying now -- but you would be far more skeptical about my current claim if you knew for sure that I had perjured myself in the past. Well, wouldn't you? Of course you would.
We don't KNOW Reid is lying. We don't KNOW Mr. Romney is telling the truth. It seems reasonable to ASSUME that someone running for President would have paid taxes, but life -- and people -- can be surprisingly strange. What is done as a private matter can become a problem when public office is involved. The higher the office, the greater the scrutiny.
I think it is reasonable to expect that Mr. Romney is buying time to file Amended Income and Gift Tax returns. It is his privilege to do so if he chooses. That way he can make public the Amended Returns and we need not concern ourselves with how or why the original returns may have differed from the Amended ones.
The American People deserve to know and are entitled to know everything about the man who wants to become the President of the United States. As Americans, we are Entitled to know all about his financial affairs. And we are Entitled to know this right now so that everyone can make an informed decision.
Are we simply to take his word for it ~ that the tax returns are in the mail ~ they are coming ~ don't worry about it ~ Trust Me? No, we need to see the previously filed tax returns now! Trust Me, doesn't work ~ seeing is believing. Trust Me, no sir, please put this discussion to bed and release your tax returns now so that we can move on. Time is running out. We need to know right now who is Willard Romney?
Be your fathers son, be as transparent as he was ~ make your father proud.
Willard, what happened with your taxes in 2002?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x4oUniAS...
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/10...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/09...
Mitt What?
http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2012...
What are Republicans saying ~ check it out for yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_qu...
To everyone reading this blog, please make sure you do your homework; know your candidate; know what he stands for; what he believes in; look into his previous positions on issues that are important to you. Make the decision your own. Please do not base your decision on opinions from your friends, relatives, church members, newspaper, television or this blog. Take in all of the information and then begin your research based on the areas that are important to you. Know the facts. Know the difference between fact and fiction. This election is critical to everyone, including your children and grandchildren. Be a responsible voter and please make sure you vote. Every vote really does count. Please do not regret your decision, get the facts.
Has Reid been lying about being told that Romney paid NO taxes (An idea I regard as dubious at best - but it's quite feasible that he paid no INCOME taxes...) Be that as it may, I do not question that Reid was told this by a source he has reason to trust as being reliable. So all you Republican't types accusing Reid of lying - NAME HIS INFORMANT!!! Only then can we ask the INFORMANT the source of his information and can begin to look at the veracity of the accusation. Romney can, of course, display a minimum of integrity and authorize the IRS to release proof of his payment of income taxes. Only then can we decide if we want to treat the issue of his tax RETURNS with the same quiet deliberation that the Republican'ts displayed (and continue to display...) regarding that Hawaiian birth certificate.
Candidate Romney should follow former pres Reagan motto
TRust. But. Verify
Where are your tax returns You want us to trust you however you don't want us to verify that what you say you is true
Do you really thinks that without verification we will trust you?
Think again
Romney's tax returns are printed on an Etch-A-Sketch.
M Goodman: You state "Let's say I tell you that I have a $5 Bill in my front left pants pocket. True or False? " Bad analogy. The correct one would be for me to say out of the blue that I was TOLD you have a $5 Bill in your front left pants pocket and then for someone else to ask: True or False." No one can answer without first identifying my source.
My point - Right now it is IMPOSSIBLE to say whether Reid is lying or not. At best we must admit that his statement is unprovable with the information currently available and to continue looking for further information. That leaves the next step up to Romney.
Romney's stand is analogous to a judge saying that a defendant accused of murder must be released immediately because he said, in open court, that he didn't kill anybody even though he refuses to provide correspondence with a third party that would conclusively prove this claim.
renorobert says "Romney's stand is analogous to a judge saying that a defendant accused of murder must be released immediately because he said, in open court, that he didn't kill anybody even though he refuses to provide correspondence with a third party that would conclusively prove this claim."
Close, but not quite.
Reid has accused Romney of a crime, but provided no evidence other than claiming he heard it from "a reputable source" and then demands that Romney prove his innocence.
The correct analogy would be that if I said that "a reputable source" told me that you murdered someone, should you be held in jail and required to PROVE your innocence before you can be released?
I find it amusing that the conservative bloggers who have the "Forget about it" attitude relative to Willard's tax returns probably were screaming and hollering about President Obama's birth certificate. Come on; admit it.
Do you not see the irony in this? Do you realize that they name streets after you and they are called "One Way." I suppose your attitude is, "It is my way or the highway." I will take your insults because the people who make feeble attempts to demean me really do not matter. Please remember, I was a Republican and I know how you think. If we were sitting in a bar, restaurant, or rally you would believe that I am just like you. You would view me as an ally instantly. We could have a conversation and I guarantee that I would be your new BFF. I stood right next to Breitbart and he attempted to engage me in a conversation. Funny really. What is not funny, is that most of us are all loyal Americans fighting for a common goal; the future of the country that we love: The United States of America.
One thing I know that most of us have in common is a profound love for our country. We just have differing views and opinions on political issues. You may be surprised that I agree with several of the comments posted by a few conservative bloggers. I have no respect; nor will I ever respect anyone regardless of their party affiliation, who is filled with hate, rage, anger, and prejudice.
The bottom line is we are not in the top echelon; we are not in the top 1-2%; we are all probably around the same income bracket. So why can't we come together. I believe that most people who post comments here love their country. We love the good old days, but those days are gone so all we have to cling to is our memories and aren't we fortunate to have those wonderful memories. Remember the days when you did not have to lock your front door; or you could borrow some milk or sugar from a neighbor. You know what I am talking about.
Do you think your children or grandchildren will be lucky enough to have their own good old days that they can hold so dear to their heart? I believe that this election will determine that. I just hope that everyone will open up his or her hearts and their minds to opinions that may differ from your own. Please make your decisions based on what you really believe is in the best interest of our country.
"Funny how Reid made his statement on the Senate floor where he is protected from law suits."
Chuck: I understand dirty harry actually made the comments days earlier in a public forum. But the limited press on hand, chalked it off to dirty Harry being dirty Harry. So dirty lying Harry elevated the venue to the Senate floor. A new low even for him.
Look for a parliamentary rule coming from Congress to prevent these character assasinations in the future. And appropiately named the Reid Rule.
CarmineD
What is the most amazing thing about all this hubbub over Mitt Romney's taxes is that half the country pays no Federal Income taxes and that includes some of the chitheads that contribute to the confusion on this page. Fess up now, how many of you actually paid any income tax last year?
It's amazing and sad that we spend time on Romney's taxes and his time at Bain Capital, instead of looking at our financial situation.
Obama has proposed a fiscal plan that won't balance the budget or make a dent in our 16 trillion dollar debt for years, if ever. Paul Ryan has proposed a budget that is little better. Romney's plan is also woefully short in the areas of the real actions required.
We are headed toward financial armegeddon and NOBODY has proposed a decent financial plan. We should all be very angry and many of us are, but we still foolishly and strangely believe that one side or the other actually will lead us to the promised land. GOD HELP US ALL...
Michael
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Dear Moderator,
You are absolutely correct. I am sorry.
Richard......GREAT LETTER.
I stopped believing republicans words since
Richard Nixon lied.
REPUBLICANS INVENTED THE LIE!
The fact is this....
Harry Reid knocked down Romney so hard that
Romney is STILL SEEING STARS!
Romney CAN'T release more taxes because
Americans won't vote for him if they see them.
And because of his tax issue, Romney is sinking
like a stone in the polls.
THIS TAX ISSUE IS HUGE!!!
ROMNEY IS TOAST!
FOUR MORE YEARS FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA!!!
Today's FOX poll......
PRESIDENT OBAMA 49%
Romney 40%
It's already over for Romney.
YES, Romney is worse than bush.
And THANK GOD for Harry Reid!
President Reagan who I believe was a Republican believed that you
Trust but verify.
That's. Good advice for all voters
Mr Romney. All we ask is that you verify. Show us your tax returns
Reagan was an FDR democrat who became a republican.
George Romney established the tradition of releasing more tax returns in 1968 when he ran for the presidency. If anyone has the right to break it, it's his son Mitt. And I hope he does. There are many qualified rich people who would make outstanding presidents and don't bother to run. Why? They spend millions, like this current president does, to keep their tax returns and business information personal and private. Then they have to release them all to be a candidate for the presidency. It's insane. Break the tradition Mitt.
CarmineD
Teamster, I tell you over and over, the only poll that counts is the one taken Nov 6. Perhaps on Nov 7, if you are still around, you'll believe me.
If Romney is good enough for Clint Eastwood, he's good enough for America.
CarmineD
Leric, before I can ascertain whether you have $5 in your front pocket, I have to know 2 things:
1. Are we in the Grand Caymans?
2. Are there any corporations in your back pockets?
Romney lied before about paying Massachussetts taxes when he was running for Gov. He's lying now!
Sick: "maybe someone who is, and also feels MY ANALOGY WORTH MULLING will repost/paste it so it doesnt self destruct in 2 days"
Nope, because it is complete incorrect. You say things like "defendant is put in jail awaiting his defending his innocence w evidence"
WRONG! The burden of proof in on the prosecution. If they provide no evidence of guilt, then no defense is required.
Reid has accused Romney of a crime. Let him provide some evidence of that crime, otherwise no defense is needed.
SicSickOfSomeOfU Aug. 9, 2012 7:59 p.m.
Oh, and since i'm NOT A TRUSTED COMMENTATOR, maybe someone who is, and also feels MY ANALOGY WORTH MULLING will repost/paste it so it doesnt self destruct in 2 days. Thanks.
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I am not a trusted commentator and do not attend to become one, but when I want to read my post or others trusted or not, I just click on their name and all comments are available.
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
YES, I agree Thank God for Harry Reid!
So what is up with Clint Eastwood's wife and THEIR new reality show? Everyone has a reality show these days. Perhaps the people who post comments here everyday should consider having a reality show. Now, that would be a hoot ~ don't you think??
Sorry Sick, but you have a warped and incorrect understanding of the justice system in the US.
Perhaps you should try a community college extension course in the basics of the US legal system or a GED prep course in civics.
Here's s link to CSN's catalog to get you started.
http://www.csn.edu/pages/660.asp
SickofSomeofU:
Thank you. I love reading your comments. I appreciate what you do every day to make a difference. I appreciate and respect you for standing up for what you believe in on a daily basis. It is not easy to do what you do on a regular basis. It must be exhausting, but you forge ahead. That is admirable.
Please know, I am not alone in my appreciation. People don't always say Thank You even though they may want to express their appreciation; so I will say it for them; thank you for what you do every day. I know it takes a lot of time to comment and you are appreciated!
I understand your point. As long as the fence sitters know they can simply click on a name and read previous posts they will.
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
SickofSomeofU,
Right On! I agree with you 100%. Yes, we need to keep up our fight for the Middle Class.
Seriously, thank you very much. It can be so frustrating. I know you must have those moments when it is just grueling and you would rather do anything else, but instead you pull out your android phone and fight for what you believe in and what is right. So on those days, when it is just horrible; keep in mind and always remember that you may not hear the words, but you are respected and appreciated!!!!! You do make a difference every day.
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
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Again Sick, the defendant only has to provide that AFTER, to use your quote, "the DA must produce the evidence they set the charges with"
Since Reid has produced *NO* evidence whatsoever of wrongdoing, only an unsubstantiated hearsay allegation, there is *NO* need for a defense, alibi, or anything else.
If you accuse me of something (burglary, murder, etc.) but have no evidence other than "someone else who I won't name told me he was guilty" the police won't even bother asking me for an alibi, they'll tell you to stop wasting their time until you can provide some kind of evidence that a crime occurred.
Sorry, but your claims of legal experience are definitely BS (actually you only claimed "training" not that you ever used that training or even passed the class)
And you battery must be low, or your reading comprehension skills weak since I already completely rebuffed your new "ALIBI" theory.
You said that the defendant has to provide an alibi AFTER "the DA must produce the evidence they set the charges with". In this case *NO* evidence of a crime has been provided and therefore no ALIBI is needed.
When Reid can "produce the evidence" (YOUR words) then and only then will Romney have any need of an ALIBI.
"If the (mystery)evidence is produced TO A JUDGE, the WARRANT to pick up the accused goes forward"
And if it is NOT then NOTHING goes forward. Reid has produced NOTHING but hearsay accusations.
If the DA tells the Judge "All I have is an accusation from an anonymous source that I consider trustworthy, but which I will not reveal" the judge is going to refuse the WARRANT.
So where exactly in your analogy would Romney "be in jail"?
And as to your "never call me a BSer", how about an exact quote from an earlier post of yours back in April:
"As a disabled, retired teacher, professor & counselor..."
Odd that you left "trained paralegal" out of that list. Or maybe you did that training in the last 4 months?
If the latest news is correct it appears the dirty harry source on Romney's zero taxes paid for 10 years is none other than one of dirty harry's own aids. And the aid is walking back every detail of the story although dirty harry isn't.
We need a Reid Rule in Congress to prevent future unfounded/unnamed sources' character assasinations in the chambers of Congress. Hopefully this incident will initiate action to adopt one.
CarmineD
Online comments to Gold Star Widow Janet Snyder's 8/6 letter are an indication of the misunderstandings that can be "assumed" when folks don't know what they're talking about. The following may be helpful.
Sen Rubio wants to make Olympic awards tax free. Mrs Snyder asked, "Who should receive tax exempt income, athletes or the real Heroes who bled or died for our Country?"
Her Husband, and other wounded warriors, paid income tax on their retirement pay until their too-early-Service-related deaths. And we Military Widows(ers) pay income tax. So, I repeat, "Who are the REAL Heroes?"
There used to be a cliche that said, "She also serves who stands and waits." However, we didn't just stand! While we waited in fear that the Chaplain would ring the doorbell, we reared our Warriors' children, handled homelife responsibilities, and some spent many years soothing his nightmares when their Warrior came home.
Gold Star Widows(ers) receive a "compensation" from the VA for loss of their spouses' lives. However, an "annuity" bought through the Military is offset dollar-for-dollar by the compensation!
While active duty personnel receive the "annuity" premium free, if they are killed in combat, their widows(ers) suffer the same offset as the retirees' spouses.
Year after year, legislation is introduced in Congress to repeal the offset law, but it's always dropped because of "lack of funds".
Yet, Sen Rubio, who is not (repeat, NOT) a co-sponsor of the offset-repeal legislation, can find funds to make Olympic awards tax free?!?
Mrs Bill Merrill, Gold Star Widow
Colorado Springs
Wow, what a long list of what you've done in your life Sick, but you still don't show where your claimed "trained paralegal" ever happened?
Bottom line is that you know nothing about legal procedures here in the US. Repeatedly misstating them doesn't actually make them change.
You keep insisting that the analogy is that Reid has show the evidence to the judge, but can't say what evidence that supposedly is. Even Reid admits that he has not shown or disclosed any evidence (including the identity of his supposed "source") to anyone.
So in your scenario the judge is going to issue a warrant to arrest and hold a suspect just because the DA who has no evidence asks him to? Sorry, does NOT work that way.
But hey, we're rapidly coming up on the 48 hour limit where all of your comments will blow away like dust, so....*poof*
You knew the rules, OR SHOULD HAVE, before you started. Didn't like them, then don't sign on. Simple. End of story. Don't make your problem, my problem. It's not.
CarmineD