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Published Thursday, Oct. 7, 2010 | 3:28 p.m.
Updated Thursday, Oct. 7, 2010 | 7:33 p.m.
Sharron Angle
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Sharron Angle’s pastor made incendiary statements about Sen. Harry Reid’s Mormon faith, accusing Reid’s religion of being a cult with “kooky” practices and having “hit squads” that “kill Mormons that go against them,” according to an article in a Reno weekly newspaper published today.
Pastor John Reed of Sonrise Church in Reno, which Angle stated was her church in her official legislative bio, told the Reno News and Review’s Dennis Myers that as Senate majority leader Reid answers to Salt Lake City, where the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is headquartered.
Angle spokesman Jarrod Agen issued a statement today saying the Republican candidate has not been a member of Reed's church "for over six years."
"She strongly disavows any disparaging remarks against Mormons. As a Christian, Sharron shares the same values with other active Christians, including those of the Latter Day Saints community," Agen wrote in the statement. "Her former pastor in no way speaks for Sharron."
But in July 2008, as a candidate for state Senate, Angle included "music ministry, Sonrise Church" on a candidate questionnaire published by the Reno Gazette-Journal, listing it as one of three ways in which she was involved in the community. In the same survey, she also listed herself as a member of the Fellowship Community Church, also in Reno.
In an interview with the Sun, Reed said that Angle, a Southern Baptist, had been a member of his church for "over a dozen years" and for the past year has had "dual membership" in the two congregations. She attended his church as recently as a couple of months ago, he said. He attributed her recent absence to the busy campaign.
Reed confirmed that he was quoted accurately in the article and stood by his statements about the Mormon religion. The pastor said he was surprised that Angle, whom he described as "the perfect candidate," was attempting to distance herself from him and his statements about the LDS church.
Reid spokesman Kelly Steele called the statements “disturbing and hateful expressions of extreme religious bigotry.”
In the story that initiated the controversy, Myers wrote, “Pastor Reed, of course, does not speak for Angle any more than Barack Obama is responsible for Jeremiah Wright’s pronouncements,” referring to the controversial Chicago pastor whose utterances became endless fodder for cable news during the 2008 presidential campaign. But, Myers wrote, it raises questions about whether Angle and her church believe a line should be drawn between church and state.
The remarks could hurt Angle with Nevada Mormons, who as a group are more aligned politically with Angle's conservative Republicanism than Reid's Democratic positions. The Mormon vote in Nevada is significant, making up a quarter of the turnout in the 2008 Republican presidential caucus.
Angle has described her run against Reid in Biblical terms, and said she does not believe the country’s founding father’s wanted a wall between church and state.
In referring to Mormonism, Reed, Angle’s pastor, said:
“His religion’s a cult. The Christian community — all the Christians, theologians and scholars, all recognize that, that Mormonism is a cult. I have books in my library on cults, and it lists Mormonism right there with all these bizarre cults.
Well, there must be a reason. I mean, here a member of a cult is one of the most powerful people in the United States. Doesn’t that alarm you? And his allegiance is to Salt Lake City. Something is up with that. Something’s weird. But nobody touches that — Harry Reid’s allegiance is to Salt Lake City. The Mormon church is rich, powerful, they do illegal things. They do secretive things. They’ve got all this money. They own American businesses. There’s weirdness going on there. Churches are not multi-millionaire organizations like the Mormon church.
"You know, there’s some weirdness with that, but nobody questions it, nobody asks one question to Harry Reid and says, 'Tell us about your faith. What does a Mormon believe?’ Ask him about the holy garments that he wears that protect him from evil. Isn’t that kooky? Ask him about getting his body parts anointed by oil. Isn’t that kooky? Ask him about when he goes to the temple and he gets baptized for dead people. Isn’t that kooky? Ask him about the hit squad of the Mormon church and why they need people to kill Mormons that go against them. Isn’t that controlling? Ask him how they shun people, then they get their family members to disown them and divorce them if they dare leave the Mormon church. Isn’t that cultish? I mean, I could go on and on.
"The Mormon church is a cult, and Harry Reid is a powerful person in a cult, and nobody even questions it.”
Myers, a veteran Northern Nevada journalist, said in an e-mail that he recorded his conversation with Reed and may post the audio soon on his blog.
Despite the Senate majority leader's prominent position on the national stage, he has an uneasy, sometimes contentious relationship with the conservative base, including members of his church. A scheduled appearance by Reid at a Mormon chapel earlier this year had to be canceled after members expressed anger over him potentially using the venue to gain votes.
In the 2008 Republican presidential caucus, Mitt Romney, also a Mormon, captured almost the entire LDS vote to coast to an easy victory here, according to exit polls conducted for the Associated Press and television networks. Mormons made up a quarter of the GOP turnout.
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The true face of Sharron Angle has been exposed.
Enough with all the smear tactics on both sides. Lets focus on FACTS. What has Reid done for Nevada the past few years.? Why will he NOT have a FACE to FACE debate and answer questions from the voting public on hia record which is easy to access?.
A mormon calling somone a member of a cult. Now that's funny. lol
The Sun has stooped to a new low in its advocacy for failed politician Harry Reid.
This is not newsworthy. A former pastor?
What about the President's former pastor?
The only thing I see in the whole thing is that people say stupid things and the clergy is not exempt from people or stupid.
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Hey Sun,
what about Sharron's opponent?
Who is she running against?
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Sun...this is what you post as a headline? Editors, If you are really concerned about Nevada and Las vegas...please do us all a favor and dig into details of education, crime, national defense, job plan, unemployment, etc.etc...I can't read this crap in the Sun anymore...just a one sided smear tactic....Sun has zero credibility when it comes to this election info
If any of your fanatical right wing nut cases had read the article you would have seen that this is not a Sun story, not the sun going after Angle, it is from RENO reporter to a Reno paper.
Fact is Angle is on the lunatic fringe, she is a member of a church that advocates hatred to anyone not white and Christain.
Amazing a man that has been in office for all those years, has to just rely on slamming his opponent. Cannot just highlight his resume and win?
I hate him. Two of our companies health insurance went up over 40% for no reason (other than because they could raise it), I call Reid's office for help and guidance since it is the equivalent of 5 people's salary, and they will not even return my call or help in any way.
Lost my vote right there.
Titus' office was helpful (unfortunately could do NOTHING about it) but listened, made some suggestions (nothing helped though). I will vote for Titus and ANGLE........
Judy...nice...bring racism into the blog...
Judy,
Couldn't agree more strongly.
Well said!
NoVas - No wonder you can't think straight.
It is Angle and her religion that bring racism into play.
Judy- As a black Christian; I disagree with your statement. The race card is getting old; this type of news article is silly, no matter where it came from. It turns people off, and makes the Sun look bad, as well as Senator Reid.
I have to say as a Mormon, it's pretty sad that this paper and that religion has to come into play during a campaign. Even though it's a former Pastor, I think it's pretty disgusting that this is considered newsworthy. The comments by the Pastor are frankly nothing new. I am not really even phased by them. I actually find it a bit amusing that a Pastor would claim my faith is weird and kooky when the Bible mentions that Christ would give his flesh and blood to eat and drink. To others who might not be Christian, wouldn't this sound weird and kooky as well?
But I seriously doubt this will shake the Mormon community that much. They'll probably vote for Angle anyway, regardless of what some other person states. Course, I could be wrong.
Funny... right-wing people still bring up Reverend Wright to this day on the pages of the Sun in their criticism of President Obama.
But when the tables are turned and it's Sharron's pastor that is the guy who is off his rocker, suddenly it's not a big deal?
Hypocrites.
I thought The Sun was better than this. The levels that "journalism" has stooped to amazes me.
Obviously that " Pastor" has his own issues. Mormons are far from a cult. And certainly there are no Hit Squads.
Well...
I know that if wanted timely, up to date information about a sitting U. S. Senator's fitness to serve, the very first place I'd go would be to his opponents former preacher.
I'm confused - the right wing made President Obama's pastor one of their center pieces for him not to get elected. And now that Sharron Angle's pastor comes out and says mormons are a kooky - you don't think it's newsworthy. For the record, I don't think anyones church pastor has anything to do with the candidate, but the right wing are HYPOCRITES!
I think any pastor that uses religion to divide people needs to re-read the new testament, then repent.
Rev Wright was in Obama's book as his mentor, married the couple, Obama attended his church for 20 years and only stopped when he started his campaign, Wright made comments about the US being racists and responsible for 911, damned America, and many other things. I didn't hold it against Obama though as every man/woman stands on their own two feet. This is story though is on the same level as the Dawn Gibbons endorsement of Reid or the birher lady endorsing Angle. The Sun has lost about any credibility it has. I think everyone knows by now this is a liberal campaign engine.
First of all, I have been in the presence of Jeremiah Wright and know him to be a kind and gentle man. He was a Navy corpsman in attendance at the death of President Kennedy and later became a generous wonderful pastor. All the demonization of him is absolutely wrong. As for the narrowmindedness of Angle's pastor - well each person should read and consider what is said as a whole body of work and not anyone's sound bites. There are far too many religious letters who exhibit extreme bigotry and are dangerous. May God save us all!
KSand - so right.
And all of these folks saying that Reid does nothing for Nevada so they won't vote for him do not have their facts straight.
Angle is a prime example of a politician who could not... would not ever work for compromise. She just voted NO to everything. A lot of good that will do us. We need someone who knows how to work with others, how to compromise.
Rather they think putting an airhead in Washington will some how benefit them> They would cut off their own nose to spite their face.
The Sun benefits from sensational items like this. Look at the number of hits on the article and the comments. That is the stuff advertisers want.
Black flag warfare.....it is time for Angle to unlease all the dirt that her group can come up with, too.
Of course, the Sun has absolutely is not a newspaper but 2000% a Democratic progranda machine.
maybe that pastor should look up CULT. by the dictionary he is part of a CULT as well!!
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/c...
or I will past it here:
cult /klt/ Show Spelled
[kuhlt] Show IPA
--noun
1. a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3. the object of such devotion.
4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5. Sociology . a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
7. the members of such a religion or sect.
8. any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.
--adjective
9. of or pertaining to a cult.
10. of, for, or attracting a small group of devotees: a cult movie.
Use cult in a Sentence
See images of cult
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Origin:
1610--20; < L cultus habitation, tilling, refinement, worship, equiv. to cul-, var. s. of colere to inhabit, till, worship + -tus suffix of v. action
--Related forms
cultic, cultual /kltul/ Show Spelled
[kuhl-choo-uhl] Show IPA
, adjective
cultish, adjective
anticult, noun, adjective
Organized religion is filled with crazy people.
I am a Mormon, and I will still vote for Angle. The former pastor is simply ignorant, and his remarks should never have been considered "news-worthy." But I guess now the whole world knows how ignorant he really is. How can you feel good about attacking another's religion? We all know very well that truth will have its opposition 'til the end of time...if it were not so, the Mormon faith would not exist. So we welcome your opinions Mr. Former Pastor.
The Republican hypocrisy on display here is truly astonishing. I expect NEVER to hear another word about Rev. Wright again, okay?
"I have books in my library on cults, and it lists Mormonism right there with all these bizarre cults" quoth Pastor John Reed
Right -- and all probably from the old Moody Bible Press.
I'm quite familiar with the ex-Mormons and other detractors. They don't get, it either -- organized religion itself is the problem. Almost as bad is people with tolerance for others' beliefs.
"Christians call it faith -- I call it the herd." -- a bumper sticker quoting Nietzsche
The Stupid gets even Stupider.
http://sharronangle.blogspot.com/
Sharron Fraud Angle and her supporters are truly getting desperate. We can now add the Mormons to a long list of people her camp has alienated and insulted.
Mormons, Veterans, Autism Advocates, Seniors, Women, Educators, Environmentalist, Nature Lovers, Gays, Lesbians and all the great workers of Nevada will show Sharron Fraud Angle she does not belong in the Senate.
Note to pastor: all religions are cults.
It should not matter what his pastor said. Look at Angle. She belonged to a racist church in Nevada, yet she got a free pass. The double standards are sickening. Republicans make me puke!
sunnyside...
Ain't THAT the truth!!!
This is just another editorial by the SUN attempting to smear Sharron.
I think people are sick enough of Harrys voting record that nothing you tell them is going to change their minds.
And lots of people believe that ANY religion is a cult. So good luck with the mormon smear.
Drink the Angle Juice little sheep. Let Snow White lead you to paradise.
Now, I do think that Angle is is as crazy as one can be running for office, but WHO CARES about what this idiot has to say? A former pastor? So what?
You guys on the left have it half right when comparing this situation to Obama and Wright. When the Republicans weren't blasting Obama for Wright's comments, they were blasting him for being Muslim.
As a Groucho Marxist, I won't join any group that will have me. Could someone please explain why you would go to a church where the pastor would make statements like this if you don't agree with them? Isn't this analogous to which news outlets you turn to, the one you believe or the one you don't?
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Hairy Reid iz not a mormon by birth butt a convert to secure the Mormon vote. IMO, I suspect dat he iz ashamed ov his birth religion, Judism. Odd dat hsi wife is professed Jewish. Dump hairy Reid!!! Prognosticate it will happen.
If Reed is the pastor of this church and Angle is still going, isn't he her current pastor?
I appreciate the concerns over the proximity of Sharron Angle to this pastor. We shared those concerns as well and before posting the story did additional reporting -- beyond that of the Reno newspaper that first had the story. As you see in our story this is a pastor with whom she has had a relationship for more than a decade. Her campaign is trying to characterize him as a former pastor, one she hasn't worshiped with in a half-dozen years, but ample evidence indicates she has been associated with his congregation more recently.
The kookiest thing about religion, is that belief trumps knowledge.
I am a Mormon and I know Hary Reid tells lies all the time. Time for Harry to get back to the real Mormon church and learn. He needs to get out of office and leave the corruption alone. Harry should be happy that Sharon Angel can do the dirty work from now on.
Harry, go home.
@nickeljuice -
"I am a Mormon and I know Hary Reid tells lies all the time."
___
Isn't that a doctrinal requirement?
Hardly unique to Mormonism, among partisan religious sects.
if it was a issue with obama then it sould be one with sharon angel.You rep cant have it both way"s matter fact that"s you guy"s problem.Most rep are hateful people you guy's hate blacks, mexicans,and whoever else you guys feel is a threat or dosen't share the same views!!
Hurry up November so we can stop hearing about Sharron Mangle!
Senator Reid's theology is based on First Century Christianity, not Fourth Century Creeds. For example, the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) views on Baptism, Lay Ministry, the Trinity, Theosis, Grace vs. Works, the Divinity of Jesus Christ comport more closely with Early Christianity than any other denomination. And Mormons' teenagers have been judged to "top the charts" in Christian Characteristics by a UNC-Chapel Hill study. Read about it here:
http://MormonsAreChristian.blogspot.com
Those who would denigrate Harry Reid's religion, usually have an ulterior motive; in this case, dirty politics.
Mormons have a better understanding of Christianity than any other denomination, according to a 2010 Pew Forum poll:
http://www.pewforum.org/Other-Beliefs-an...
11 of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were non-Trinitarian Christians. Those who insist on a narrow definition of Christianity are doing our Republic an injustice.
Having set the record straight, I, and most Mormons prefer Sharron Angle, despite her ex-pastor's bigotry.
Sharron believes in INDIVIDUAL salvation, and in the U.S. Constitution. She has my vote.
Well, Bot, coming in first in the theological Special Olympics, is well, you know.
Is this an election or a race/holy war?
Why are religious people the most judgemental and ignorant?
Angles view of mexicans, women, mormons, gays, yucca, business and politics.. are all wrong. She doesnt have any juice with me.
It will be interesting to see which way Nevada goes in November..
@Bot, her religious beliefs are irrelevant to to her qualifications for Senatorial office. And, her understanding of the Constitution is positively pre-adolescent.
Angle appears to have stolen a page from Mike Huckabee's campaign playbook, when he would disavow but not condemn all the attacks against the Mormon church that helped him win the Iowa caucuses. Do you think this has done enough to fire up her Baptist supporters, or should she have Huckabee come to Nevada and campaign for her?
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This stinks to high heaven. Religion should be kept out of politics and elections, and the pastor should have his church's tax exemption revoked. Angle started this with her "biblical law" and "entitlements are idolotry" and "sharia law" baloney.
This pastor has a bat in his belfry and its name is Sharron Angle.
Suzy, copy that.
Christian Preachers are great, ain't they? Certainly the way G-d wants them to be, denigrate every other religion but theirs. YEAH RIGHT.
And now because of politics, Angle disavows being a member of his church even though she attended his services for over 12 years and as late as a couple of months ago. Good honest,truthful politician, just what the Senate needs. Once again---YEAH RIGHT!
Anyone who votes for this two faced idiot is a numbskull.
Based on the comments of her Pastor, and the widely held beliefs of her religious persuasion, Angle probably believes Mormons are in the same boat as gays, abortionists, and murderers. So these comments don't really surprise me. What does surprise me is that Angle is so willing to forsake her religious friends (and probably her beliefs) for a few votes.
Harry Reid believes in the seperation of church
and state.
I'm voting for Harry Reid.
Unless the pastor is totally ignorant of politics or wants Angle to lose her bid for the U.S. senate, I don't understand why he would try to alienate 25% of the voters in southern Nevada who more than likely are going to vote for her. His overwhelming desire to paint Harry as a great Satan because of his Mormon beliefs could cause Angle some real grief. Maybe it was said off the record, or maybe the Reid Campaign made a donation to pastor Reed's Church, a last ditch effort to ralley the Mormon vote back to the Reid camp. Politics has become so dirty and disgusting its to bad we all have to exercise our voting rights and become a part of it. Is pastor Reed a Angle friend or foe, you be the judge.
Since Frau Angle doesn't believe in separation of church and state, we can assume that her pastor speaks for her when he makes disparaging and hateful remarks about the LDS church. What "Pastor" Reed said about the LDS church is the standard party line with evangelical christo-fascist types, so I am not too shocked by it. Of course, since Frau Angle wants to force christo-fascist sharia law upon all of us, LDS members can look forward to some sort of "final solution", if Frau Angle is elected.
Wow, the Sun is really getting desperate to smear Ms. Angle now.
All of you Reid/Obama/Pelosi Socialists get a load of the new Rasmussen poll? take a look, things aren't looking so peachy...Buh-bye Harry!
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c...
This story is not relevant because Angles Pastor hates Mormons. Most Southern Baptists dislike Mormons and that has been very well chronicled over the past several years. What makes this newsworthy is how quickly and effortlessly Angle rejects her church and her pastor all in the name of political expediency.
But Angle is supposed to be the one that stands up for her beliefs.
That's all you've got? You fools at the LV Sun are sick. Totally sick to shill like this for Harry.
You have no idea or concept what is, or isn't news.
Harry is destroying Nevada and America with his votes in the Senate, and this is what you focus on?
Absolutely sick. This will make me work harder and harder for Sharron.
I wonder if Harry is thinking to himself that maybe he should have paid more attention to his own constituents here in Nevada instead of being a socialist lackey for Pelosi/Obama. You are a disgrace and I am sorry and embarrassed to say you represent my great State of Nevada, Mr. Reid. I sincerely hope you will not represent me come November!
@lovinglife & liljoe31 - Yes, good to know you will help Frau Angle implement her "second amendment remedies" final solution against the LDS church and its members
We now know why Angle acts the way she does. With spiritual guidance like this, go figure. This Pastor is a nut. Angle is a nut that didn't fall to far from this pastors tree. I am a Republican that can't see himself voting for this pretender.Go Harry.
The Reid camp is obviously becoming more and more desperate.
This is not in anyway a newsworthy story, just evidence of shear panic.
This newspaper has rapidly lost any and all credibility in your undisguised campaigning for Reid. Are you listed on his contributions reports for inkind donations?
If you want to see Angle sweat, ask her if she believes Mormons are Christians. I would pay good money to hear that response.
Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and President Obama
represent me, my family and all of my friends.
We are not rich, just average people who need
jobs and good health care and some day,
Social Security.
These great people are doing everything we voted
for them to do.
SAVE OUR STATE AND COUNTRY,
VOTE HARRY REID.
Lets see, Crazy back room Sharron now has a problem with, all parents with sick children, women, our Honorable Veterans, blacks, latinos AND Mormons too??? What's next, the Jews??? Good God, what a hick you are, and a nasty one at that!!
Sharron Angle is leading in the polls. Even with all of this negative Angle bashing, and name calling. The voters are feed up. Just that simple
pmontg.....
The voters are fed up and are going to vote for
a moron?
I don't think so.
We Nevadans are smarter then that.
You're voting against your own best interest and
don't even know it. Very sad.
In England they run for election in just four weeks i believe...i am starting to think that that would not be a bad idea...races here can last years it seems...what u end up with is storys like this that has nothing to do with what either person running would vote for or what they would stand for as elected officials...
Anger and hate like this is one of the many reasons why a strict seperation between church and state is necessary. God bless Harry Reid!
All religion is kooky.
pssssssssssssssssssssss Thats all the air escaping from Angles election chances. Apparently the clown leading this church has only his "cult" books for a reference. Few political observers would agree that Harry Reid has any resemblance to the conservative views that the majority of US, LDS people have.
I'd would be willing to wager that Angle had the LDS vote, but she certainly doesn't now. Should a person be held accountable for the views of their religious leaders? Hell, yes, If Angle had opposing views to those held by "the pastor" she wouldn't have been a member. The fact that Obama sat and heard Wright scream against white people and the US government for 21 years, gives credence to Obama having similar views or why would he have listened to this hate monger weekly for all of those 21 years? I personally would rather see religion not an election matter. But once the subject is introduced by the candidate to apparently prove that the person is a fine "Christian" and should be trusted with your tax dollars, its fair game.
Turn the lights out Sharon, on your way out, and close the door.
Hm, Reverand Wright right, Pastor Reed wrong. Yet the fact is that both have 1st amendment rights that none of the objectors to either man can abrogate. I am not a Mormon but admire much of what their religion requires of them and do not admire some other requirements. They, like all religions, enjoy a freedom almost unparalleled elsewhere in the world and we should respect that. And for non-believers, you are similarily protected by the U.S. & Nevada Constitutions.
I applaud Sharron Angle for her reverse psychology strategy.
So far, she has alienated Nevada Hispanic American voters, unwed mothers, raped women who get pregnant and are forced to have their child, gamblers, people who drink alcohol, autism children, disabled people, everyone who lives in southern Nevada (Yucca), senior citizens, veterans, and most sane people.
Now, she is focusing on alienating herself from religious leaning voters, particularly the Mormons.
I think she has accomplished driving everyone in the entire Sovereign State of Nevada away from her.
But she has made sure she holds on to the prison population vote though. They like that Scientology and massage idea.
I used to think her campaign slogan was... "That's not what I said."
I think it's now... "DeStruction or DeMint!"
Not much difference... If you ask me.....
Sharon Angle should distance herself and resign from her Church, just as President Obama did when his paster made inflamatory remarks.
The Southern Baptist have a long history of anti Mormon attacks. These are just two Southern Baptist sponsored sites. http://mormoncult.org/ and http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=2171...
For my fellow Mormons to back this bigot, would be as absurd as if Jews hand supported Hitler for Chancellor of Germany or handed out travel brochures as other Jews were loaded into trains.
Either Sharon Angle resigns from the bigots or her inaction shows that she supports these beliefs. It is not just one pastor at one Church. It is wide spread throughout the Southern Baptist Church.
You will never see an offical Mormon Spokesman, Publication, Web Site, etc make disparing remarks about ANY religion.
Some of my Mormon friends are in total denial. That this is now a Reid Tactic to discredit Angle. It is time that they opened their eyes and ears. Some shall have eyes and not see and ears and not hear.
Angles public display of Religion should be a warning sign. "Methinks he (she) doth protest too much." Shakespeare.
"Fact is Angle is on the lunatic fringe, she is a member of a church that advocates hatred to anyone not white and Christain."
Fact is too, that Christianity has been corrupted throughout 2.000 years and once people understand, the concepts of free will, divine justice (it is called karma in the eastern religions) & the deeper sense of evil, the way to go will be not to force anything on anyone, but "enlighten" and convince.
Rev Wright did not make bigoted remarks. Rev Wright said "God Damn America". That America should be damned for NOT helping the minorities and the poor.
Now Obama did not like the remarks and resigned from his church.
What has Sharon Angle done? If she does NOT resign then by her inaction she gives support to these bigot and racist actions. Yes I say racist. Because if you are a bigot there are not perimeters. Just as a girl cannot just be a "little bit" pregnant.
What bothers even more is the answers that I read here? Did some these people read this Article or just read what they wanted to believe into the Article. No wonder Angle has so many supporters!
they really skimmed the shallow end of the gene pool. Some could be the Poster Child for why inbreading has failed. And these people are allowed to vote?
Every year as Columbus Day approaches articles and comments from the politically correct history revisionist elite are advanced in the media about Christopher Columbus' role in opening of the New World to exploration. Efforts have continued for decades to denigrate, discredit and deny facts of Columbus's role as a major figure in opening this part of the globe to the European continent. To bring home their point the brutality and extensive nature of the slave trade from about 1500 to the late 1800's history is deliberately is distorted with an abundance of unsubstantiated hypothetical facts and truths being advanced for public absorption. Often quoted mistruths and lies that 300 million black slaves were lost at sea on slave ships is impossible to prove on any basis; that figure does not begin to take into account the transport of the numbers of individuals who survived to serve as slaves in the new world. The original figure of 300 million would average about 1 million individuals lost per year per century; an impossible figure in light of the nature of ships of the time, cargo space, speed of the ships, the length of the journey and the time involved for even one round trip. Nothing diminishes the horrors, true facts and brutality of the slave trade predating the Babylonians, Egyptians, Greeks and Romans. Human slavery and various forms of human bondage have always been a part of man's history since time immemorial and continue in parts of the world to this day. Our children must be taught truthful facts about slavery practices; exaggerating figures to emphasize a politically correct history revisionist point of view that is dishonest and teaches nothing of value except blatant lies. Currently American History is being changed, revised and rewritten to fit the political agendas of our time.
James Madison said it best:
"Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other sects?"
Within Sharon's world, first they will establish a "Christian" government and then watch out everyone who is not their type of Christian. Mormons, Catholics, everyone who is not a fundamentalist Christian.
As someone who has in the past frequented many christian churches of all types, and seen my friends get swooped up in the phenomena that is "born again". I can assure you that most Christians view Mormonism as a cult, and as wrong. Also most "Christians" seem to be anti-mormon.
Please dont misconstrue my words. When I say "Christian" I mean the ones who say God 1st Family 2nd, or constantly talk about God. So do I believe Saron Angle feels the same way "You Betcha"
to think she believes otherwise when you look at all her views, would be illogical and go against everything that Ive experienced in my life. I dont care who her pastor is. I can gaurantee when there is no election, she believes Mormonism is a cult and that they are going against Gods way and that they are not Christians and infact were started by a man who took hallucinogenic drugs.
Thats why I wlays found it strange that mormons were coming out supporting her at first, only due to their dislike of what Reid represents. Thats where I get lost. Somehow the conservative media, which for some reason is associated with religious people, has been able to portray the policies of the left as so evil, like satan evil, that these people would vote for someone, just because they are not someone else.
Then they portray their candidates as people of God. Then I look at the policies of the republicans and I wonder why these people dont realize that multi national corporations are using their religion to psychologicaly manipulate their demographic? Not saying this is not happening to some degree on the left. Both sides are using narcississim as applied to demographic projections to emotionally fuel this election, but to use religion and to portray ones philosophy as that of the devil...sounds like the devil's work to me.
So Joseph Smith was really a prophet who spoke to God? So we can now confirm JS was the only one who could understand that ancient language that was written on the gold tablets? We can now say the book of Mormon is based on this factual confirmation?
WOW ! I am surprised BYU and the major news networks and non-Mormon evangelicals are not all over this incredible confirmation on the Mormon religion.
This article has nothing to do with Sharron Angle association with this pastor, but more Angle bashing, it will come back to bite Senator Reid in the end, and Teamster- I wouldn't take your liberal advice to the nearest toilet. Sharron Angle will do just fine in D.C
where is all this former pastor nonsense coming from? "She attended his church as recently as a couple of months ago, he said. He attributed her recent absence to the busy campaign."
true colors are being shown by the conservative right.
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." Mahatma Ghandi
If you're a Christian act like it.
Lots of posters are blaming the Las Vegas Sun for this story. As another posted pointed out this was an article by a Reno reporter to a Reno newspaper.
Angle clearly does not recognize the separation of church and state. That frightens me - very much.
What's next - Sharronia Law??
OH NO, DAVINTHEBOX! You just let the cat out of the bag.
Don't bring up "Sharronia Law!" You'll give them ideas and then there will be these card carrying members of the Nevada Flat Earth Society will leave in droves to join the OrAngle Juice Sharronia Law sect! They'll wear robes and cowls and look like leftovers from some cheap low budget horror movie.
Don't encourage them! Because if you do, it will spell doom for Nevada! I say doom!
@ Colin -- Well dayum.....But, but...Jordan Gehrke leaked that info to me!
Doom!
Now boys n girls, don't make too much fun of the Mormons, just because;
Mormon Church teaches that there are many Gods (Book of Abraham 4:3ff), and that we can become gods and goddesses in the celestial kingdom (Doctrine and Covenants 132:19-20; Gospel Principles, p. 245; Achieving a Celestial Marriage, p. 130). It also teaches that those who achieve godhood will have spirit children who will worship and pray to them, just as we worship and pray to God the Father (Gospel Principles, p. 302).
The Catholics are just a crazy, Jesus himself told his disciples NOT to call anyone on earth FATHER (he was talking about hypocritical religious leaders Pharisees and Sadducees)
A person could go on all day about goofy religion.
Wonder what Patron Saint of the Teabaggers and Mormon TV evangelist wannabe Glenn Beck has to say about that.
Sharon Angle seems to be constitutionally incapable of being honest with not only others, but also herself. She is without doubt delusional. It is hard to believe she has been elected to any office, let alone that of a U.S. Senator. She seems to be completely out of touch with not only right or wrong and the needs and wants of the state of Nevada's people, but reality in general. To be the person she is, it seems she must of made a life of being deceitful and trying to tell people what they want to hear, instead of what she believes or really thinks is needed.
The only way that I can see that anyone would vote for this appropriately called "bimbo" is the type of person who cannot, or is to lazy to, make their own decisions and "votes the party."
If you have common sense or your voting is based on "right from wrong" decision making, it would be impossible to vote for this woman.
I'm not saying that Senator Harry Reid is a great option, but at very least he is not controlled and confused by his election committee and has a functioning mind. Based on his experience and voting record, as well as the respect of his colleagues in both parties, well their is no decision for who to vote for.
For the record, I am an American, not a Republican, Democrat, Independent, Tea party band wagon" or anything else. I vote the "right or wrong and common sense" party. I don't care what country my ancestors or yours came from. I am not biased by what I need, but try my best to vote rather what my state or America needs and not what the damn party needs. I am a team player. If you vote for Sharon (what's her) Angle, judging her by her words and actions and not by what her detractors say, it would appear you need to submit yourself for a competency test.
Gee, could this be Angle's "Reverend Wright" moment?
Nah. She's so wacked out on her own that whatever her pastor says is just more icing on the cake.
Though I suspect the Reverend won't be supporting Mitt Romney for Pres.
"Angle clearly does not recognize the separation of church and state. That frightens me - very much.
What's next - Sharronia Law??"
I don't believe Sharronia Law is that much of a problem, because the next step is rather to become "Baphomet's personnel":
http://cremationofcare.com/illu_sym_germ...
Both candidates are acting like CHILDREN! What is the purpose of digging up dirt on the other person? I wouldn't vote for neither one of you and I hope you both get struck by lightning, twice.
OH NO AGAIN, LVpravdaFan! You're giving her ANOTHER idea. Instead of Sharronia Law, we got Baphomet Luminati Anglo Nazoid Islamo Socialism Sect With A Twist of Glenn Beckoidism!
Doom for Nevada! Doom I say!
Perhaps LVpradaFan can join the "Baphomet Luminati Anglo Nazoid Islamo Socialism Sect With A Twist of Glenn Beckoidism" and turn Yucca Mtn into a huge worship center. What a great place for them to all congregate and spew their twisted stories and lies.
i've been in this area for 4 years, to date I have yet to see harry reid do anything for this area. Quite frankly I don't care since I have a nice home, job, good family, with kids in private school. BUT there are many out there who are not as fortunate, jobs need to be created, i.e. industry for the long term, better education, etc. LV can't continue surving on slots,card playing, or doormen. The educational level is poor at best in this state, i continuely hear how NV schools are the worst in the nation...I don't care who wins, i'd just like to see something happen to my current resident state..
"Perhaps LVpradaFan can join the "Baphomet Luminati Anglo ..."
Perhaps suckers like you both should get a little education into the occult?
the real quesiton should be "will harry reid finally do something for this state or are we better off with Angle"...Don't care about any "former pasters" comments or wanting 2 mins. of fame. Can NV afford to take a chance on angle or continue with d.c. attitude of the senates majority leader? Another point to make is while I also believe mormanism is a cult, would a jewish person do better? or a muslim? Again,I don't care as long as something,anything is done for the state of NV.
hav1byte, to your first point about education and industry: That's really a state government issue as in the currently Republican governor and Democrat run Legislature. If you want to see Reid's accomplishments, go to his campaign website and you'll find a list. That Reid helped CityCenter shows how committed he is to helping Nevada. Where was Gov. Gibbons? Angle said she wouldn't have helped.
To your second point, neither a Jewish person or Muslim person is running against Reid. Reid isn't trying to ram his religion down your throat. From Angle's statements, it's pretty clear she will try and she'll have help with the other far-right people, i.e. the DeMint camp.
You might be able to take a chance on someone with Angle's views for a two-year term like the House, but 6 years is a long time to "take a chance."
LVPradaFan "Perhaps suckers like you both should get a little education into the occult?"
Sure, I'll ask another extreme Tea Bagger Christine O'Donnell for her book of spells and witchcraft. Thanks for the suggestion!
BG - Your comments are appreciated, i lived and worked in D.C. for 10 years and I have a good understanding of how "things" work there. I have seen first hand and know what a senator can do for an area or not do. Bottom line here is that all elected officials need to work together, regarless of affiliation. This is my only point..As a fed, when I took my oath of public trust, i meant it...just want these other folks to adhere to their promise...your second point, I agree with you...Harry is not raming anything down anyone, this is just a check shot ploy for sharron...and I don't want to wait 6 years longer, 4 is enough...good luck to us all..
This is just what I was saying yesterday, when I pointed out the teabigots didn't like Mormons like Mitt "Romneycare" Romney.
They talk about "Judeo - Christian" - as a smoke screen...they don't like Jews either. (The 2/3rds of Jews that don't convert to Christianity will go to hell when Armageddon comes.)
Glen Buck is next.
hav1byte, I agree, it would be nice if all elected officials would work together. To get there, I believe we need to elect moderates and not extremists, i.e. not to the extreme right or extreme left. Only reasonable people can compromise to do what's best for the U.S. not just their party.
hav1byte:
Harry Reid was primarily responsible for SNPLMA, which has brought 100's of millions of dollars to Southern Nevada. This money has been used to support numerous public works projects, several of which are under construction or near construction at the moment (including a park near you), and Nevada's education system. Harry Reid has done numerous other things for this state, which are really too much to mention. You really need to do a little more homework.
And I'm a conservative.
so Glenn Beck is a Mormon and a Tea Party god...Reid is a Mormon and gets nothing but hate for being so...make about as much sense as anything on the right these days...
Sharron Angle should stick to her views on social security(doing away with it, or privatizing it) the unemployed(how she has called them lazy & not wanting to extend benefits to them),wanting to cut back on Medicare, and allowing for no abortions even in the case of incest or rape. These are the issues she should be talking about. Not someone's religion.
what a load of bigotous hog wash. the hit squad should have gotten me according to the former pastor. i have fallen away from the church and yet i am typing this comment. if the pastor wasn't so ignorant and actually read the bible, (KJV) he would know that all practices by the mormon religion(past and Preesent) are ALL in there. people hate what they don't understand because it is easier on their fragile beliefs of what should be.
Oh and by the way, all those public works projects that Reid is responsible for through SNPLMA...they did not contribute a single dime to the national debt.
"If you're capable of understanding the world, you have a moral obligation to become rational."
- Charles Thomas Munger, Vice-Chairman of Berkshire Hathaway Corporation, from a speech at the University of Michigan
Why is Mormonism a cult and Christianity not a cult? Please feel free to email me the answer rather then post it here. Thanks in advance.
bg, what it really comes down to is the Christian Conservative credo...if you aren't with us, you are against us.
Oh, GWB's favorite motto! Thanks.
Pastor Reed is clearly in "revenge mode" as Sharron Angle is no longer a member of his church. Sharron Angle will receive significantly more votes from Mormons than Harry Reid because, although she is a Baptist, she shares more common values with the LDS folks than Harry Reid does. Many, many Mormons have hosted her at "Meet & Greets" in their homes since her senate campaign started last year and two of her closest staff members are active members of the LDS Church. Angle is a very tolerant person despite what Harry Reid's advertisements allege. She respects the rights of every citizen to practice the religion of their choice or no religion at all. It is truly sad that her former minister finds it necessary to bash a group of God-fearing believers instead of concerning himself with the compassion and charity to all that the Scriptures demand. It's easy to see why gracious people like the Angles no longer belong to his church.
Too bad the LV Sun isn't as tolerant of conservatives as Angle is of other peoples' religious beliefs!
Glenn Beck is a Mormon.
Harry Reid is a Mormon.
Think about it Teaheads?
I bet you don t. . .
"The Mormon church is rich, powerful, they do illegal things. They do secretive things. They've got all this money. They own American businesses. There's weirdness going on there. Churches are not multi-millionaire organizations like the Mormon church."
I guess Pastor Reed conveniently forgot about The Vatican.
I don't know what the big deal is.
Obama when to a nutty church and had a nutty pastor.
Obama even wrote a book and dedicated it to his nutty pastor.
Honestly. Why hasn't this pastor, Sharon Angle, and all of the other nut cases who obviously do not have the slightest connection to reality been committed to a mental health facility already?
You are correct.
I have no idea why Obama and his paster and other nut cases have not been committed to a mental health facility?
Why? Why? Why?
mred: you are kidding, aren't you? You worship a Jew as the "Son of God" and you bad mouth them at the same time? By the way, I am a member, supporter & contributor of the Tea Party and, as I wrote yesterday, I am not a Mormon but I admire the Mormon religion for much of what it stands for. Maybe you ought to check the "facts" you believe in before you generalize about those with whom you disagree.
Funny,
Obama had that maniac Jeremy Wright as his pastor for 20 years and no one made a big deal about all the outrageous, racist remarks he made! And no one tried to impute his beliefs to Obama did they ???---so why are they trying to do so with Sharron's pastor ??? Seems like a glaring double standard here.
When Sharon Angle (Coo Coo Coo Coo) or her supporters speak, the theme music from the Twilight Zone plays loudly in the background....
Doo Doo Doo Doo
Fink, the teabags don't make any sense. So don't ask me to analyze them. So the fact they hate Mormons, but like Glen Buck, worship a Jew, but say that 2/3rds of them will go to hell, complain about Islamics who recognize the Bible and Jesus as a spiritual leader, etc. They like Social Security and Medicare but complain about government health care. Say government is part of the problem not part of the solution, but expect their government to solve the problems of Iraq and Afghanistan, so on and on ...
Doesn't Sean Insannity yak about the connections of Rev. Wright and Obama, Glen Buck talks about "Bill Ayres and Obama?"
So what is the big deal about "Angle's connections" with another wacko religious NUT.
Also Fink, don't Mormons say that people aren't supposed to marry outside their race, "son on Hamm" and all, so it is not surprising that you admire them.
The teabags are the ultimate hypocrites and bigots don't ask me to explain their nuttiness.
Angl Government medicalcare bad as long as I have mine throught the BLM.
Angle is NOT your typical Republican candidate. IF she somehow wins, I think the Republicans are gonna wish Reid had won !LOL
mred- you're all over the place with none sense. First the tea party movement are people from all races, including black voters, Hispanic, Asian, and all other nationalities living in the United States. You can't analyze the tea party movement because you would have to tell the truth, that we are peaceful voters, who wants to bring this country back to its greatness. Tea Party members don't hate Mormons, Muslims, or even people like you who hate us.
The thing that you said about Tea Party Members worshipping a Jew is very offensive. If you were referring to Jesus Christ ; All Christians reading what you said should be thinking deeply about you,the Democratic Party and others who think like you, including reporters from the Las Vegas Sun like Jon Ralston who mock God with his commentaries - You think that Serving Christ is insane, I say not serving Him is insane, your values about life, and the innocent are twisted, you twist the truth, but God is watching this election, and I pray that His will be done, I sincerely hope that everyone who call's on the name of Christ uses spiritual judgment in choosing. Read between the lies, I don't agree with everything that Sharron Angle say, but she is far better than Senator Reid. Mred, it's a foolish thing to mock God.
Thank you, Republicants and TeaBaggers, for your gift of June 8th. The Crazy Bagg Lady is truly a gift that keeps on giving. I will continue to treasure your gift through November 2nd. Alas, after then I believe it's shelf-life will have expired. But thank you, again, so much for your gift.
Give 'em hell, Harry Reid! Good luck in November vs. the "Juice" Lady!