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Officer fatally shoots man who threatened police with walking stick

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A Metro crime scene investigator moves a barrier into place at the scene of an officer involved shooting outside a Speedee Mart at 3011 East Desert Inn Road Monday, November 15, 2010.

Updated Monday, Nov. 15, 2010 | 9:40 a.m.

Officer Involved Shooting

A Metro crime scene investigator moves a barrier into place at the scene of an officer involved shooting outside a Speedee Mart at 3011 East Desert Inn Road Monday, November 15, 2010. Launch slideshow »

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Metro Police said an officer fatally shot a man outside a convenience store this morning who threatened officers with what appeared to be a wooden walking stick.

Officers responded at 5:50 a.m. to Speedee Mart, 3011 E. Desert Inn Road, at the corner with Pecos-McLeod Drive after receiving reports of a man and a woman involved in an argument outside the store. Three officers arrived and noticed the argument appeared to be escalating, said police Capt. Patrick Neville, with Metro's homicide bureau.

Police said the man wasn't following the commands of officers. An officer tried to use a Taser on the man, but it appeared to have no effect on him, police said. The man then moved away from police, prompting an officer to use the Taser a second time, also with no results.

Neville said the officer then used "low-lethal force," in the form of a weapon that fires bean bags.

"It hurts, but it's not lethal," Neville said.

Police said that also didn't appear to have an effect on the man.

"They deployed a lot of strategies and a lot of lower-level force to get the individual in compliance," Neville said.

Police said the man had what appeared to be a wooden walking stick with a pointed end. Neville said the man made a threatening motion toward officers with the object.

"I don't know which end of it was pointed at the officers," Neville said.

One officer fired a single shot at the man, killing him, police said. The man was described as white and in his early 30s.

Neville said police believe surveillance video cameras from the Speedee Mart captured the incident. Police were working with management at the store to obtain the video.

Police were interviewing the woman who had been arguing with the man. The woman wasn't injured.

The officers were placed on paid administrative leave during the investigation. This is the 24th officer-involved shooting this year in Metro Police's jurisdiction.

The names of the man and the officer weren't being released this morning. The Clark County Coroner's Office will identify the man and police will identify the officer about 48 hours after the shooting, which is standard procedure in officer-involved shootings.

Police tape was blocking a small portion of the road but traffic was moving through the intersection of Desert Inn and Pecos-McLeod this morning.

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  1. Yeah! Let's hear it for easy access to guns...it makes us all safer doesn't it.

  2. Whether it is a stick or gun, when easy access to guns is a given, everyone will be more on edge with more tragic mistakes occurring every day.

  3. Chunky says:

    Here come the cop haters, speculators and ambulance chasers!

    That's what Chunky thinks and he'll reserve the rest of his commentary until more details are released!

  4. Leave it to someone to turn this into a debate on guns. The debate is a waste of time because those who want to kill will find a way to do it, with or without guns. You cannot unmake guns; you'd be better off trying to address the core reasons of violence. Humans can be violent and all the laws in the world will never, ever stop that.

    As for the story, I look forward to more information as it becomes available.

  5. What appeared to be a walking stick? It was actually a rifle??? The man was tasered and it had no apparent effect on him?? Bean bags fired at him with no apparent effect?? Who was he, superman?? I can't wait to hear the explanation for this one.

  6. I read on a different publication's site, which apparently has less journalistic integrity, that there was a rifle on the ground near the victim. Apparently what they reported as a rifle was actually this walking stick. My bad. I'll own up to making that mistake.

  7. "If you carry a gun in public you have certain responsibilities."

    Aaronboy -- don't you mean "If you carry a stick in public you have certain responsibilities"? Read and think before you post -- "Daaa! Dumbies just can't figure that out."

    Our cops need to be put back on their leash, they're way too trigger-happy and getting it away with it!

    "If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. To declare that in the administration of the criminal law the end justifies the means - to declare that the government may commit crimes in order to secure the conviction of a private criminal - would bring terrible retribution. Against that pernicious doctrine this court should resolutely set its face." -- Olmstead v. United States, 277 U.S. 438 (1928), Justice Brandeis dissenting

  8. Possible suggestions: Obiwankenobi with his walking stick; Tony Stark in costume? Tom Cruise with a samurai sword? What next? Godzilla? I think I'm going to side with Chunky until more facts come out.

  9. There is no such thing as shoot to wound. The only reason to use a gun is to kill your target, period. At least it was a single shot.

    That said, there are a lot of questions here about the justification. Let's all hope the video survives if it has information on it.

  10. Can't we just give Metro something that can throw a net on a suspect? It would stop a lot of these shootings.

  11. Mr. Shaffer,

    While I think it is absurd for cops to use deadly force on a man wielding a walking stick, taking guns away from police is stupid - it didn't work in England.

  12. thank goodness the perp was white otherwise he'd be blamed.

    whatever happened to the officer (Yant?) who shot trevon cole and later lied about buying drugs from someone who turned out to be in another country at the time of the drug buy? amazing if he never got fired. what am I saying amazing this is metro

  13. I appreciate the fact that the officers deployed the non-lethals as a remedy to this problem which also tells me that the officers had already evaluated that he had no lethal weapon such as a fire arm, or a knife, I would feel better knowing that a felony take down could have been attempted before a firearm being discharge but that is my opinion only.

    As to the question about the officers compensation while being held-out-service I have no problem with that because it was not the officers who requested to be removed from service that is a departmental procedure and the officer should not under go a financial set back that could carry s/he into bankruptcy.

    Know I do believe when an officer is involved in critical incidents such as this and or accidents on public right of ways they should be tested for drug and alcohol use as well, The reason I say that is some steroids make a person irritable or edgy.

  14. Hey SUN! Will the new inquest rules apply here?

    Has that been enacted yet?

    If not, then "justifiable" as usual.

  15. Ive worked security at bars and clubs since I was 20 years old unarmed.. do you know how mnay baseball bats sticks and clubs I have taken away from pople who were going to attack me with them....I'm 42...I dont see the need to shoot three cops can easliy subdue one guy with a stick come on..... they got a green light to shoot and they took it

  16. Don't blame me, I voted for Bisch. The actions that bring such mis-trust and disrespect upon Metro can be laid squarely at Sheriff Doug's feet.

    Granted, this case is going to be interesting once all the facts are known (please let the video be good) but even at a first glance it raises questions.

    On the other hand, the later shooting at PT's seems to be righteous on the surface.

    There is one issue that is common to both, though. And that is the large number of personnel involved in the follow up. How many officers did that take off the street? (I'm open to an argument that taking officers off the street enhances public safety.)

  17. I love all the Metro haters on here. It's easy to make a judgment when you're not the officer dealing with the situation. These are the types of attitudes that empower a lot of people believe that if they don't agree with the law or "think" they are justified, they don't have to obey an officer when instructed to do so. A 3 foot walking stick is considered a lethal weapon, just like a pipe, baseball bat, 2 X 4, etc.

    Yes, the police could have tried to charge the suspect, but if 2 blasts from a tasser and a bean bag fired from a shotgun didn't put the guy down, chances are good he was high on something that diminished his capacity to feel pain. If the officers would have attempted to go hands on with the suspect they would have put themselves in danger. Many of these walking sticks have knife blades that eject from them or have steal heads on them or both.

    So what do you do? Beg the guy to give up and drop the weapon? You only have seconds to make a life or death decision. "Oh pretty please Mr. Suspect, put down the stick", Yea, right. Or be macho man and try to take the stick away. Good plan, but he might just split your skull with it or worse.

    The bottom line is, if you have a weapon and refuse to follow the orders of police, be prepared to lose your life.

  18. "It is a total cowardly act to shoot an unarmed person who is not a real threat to you or someone else." - totellitasitis

    Maybe this one didn't involve what most would call an "armed" person (and some walking sticks are by all means weapons) but the second one today was decidedly armed, a man holding a woman at knife point. That counts as "armed" and a "threat to others" in anyone's book, I hope.

  19. Question's that should be asked at the inquest.
    1. Was the shooting officer wearing kevlar?
    2. Was there a motorcycle officer there that had a helmet and a kevlar vest?
    3. Did any officers on scene receive hand to hand self defence training at the academy in this simulated situation.

  20. "In compliance" is a scary term. It reeks of gestapo. If you are disorderly - highly inappropriate, sure, but not immediately endangering people's lives or property - you will be forced through escalating means to become "compliant." When these violent methods do not work, you will be complianced to death, apparently.

    There. The big scary man with a STICK is fully "in compliance."

    Why is it that every time a cop shoots someone the bullet kills the person when in "normal" violent acts oftentimes the person will survive the wound and be given a chance to tell his or her story or at the very least see their day in court? But when a Metro cop is involved, more times than not, the person is killed. Shooting to force "compliance" does not seem to be the same thing as shooting to kill the person, at least not in my view. There are people with mental/emotional problems all around the world and there needs to be someone in the situation that can have the wherewithal and circumspection to disarm the person without having to take their life. If they can not step up to that difficult task, they should not be given a badge. For those officers we do not hear about who act bravely and appropriately, my hat is off to you men and women, because it *is* difficult work.

    And, by the way, "low-lethal force" is the most idiotic terminology I have seen in the news in quite awhile, and that's really saying something. It is either lethal or it is not. You can't "kinda" kill someone.

  21. RowdyYates,

    I beg to differ with you. I sleep peacefully in my bed because I know I have various means to protect myself available, including three dogs, and *Not* because there are "rough men stand ready to do violence" on my behalf. I do not depend upon others as my primary means of protection. Nor should anyone.

    Other than in rare occasions such as the other shooting today at P.T.'s, police are usually little more than garbage collectors who show up after the fact.

  22. Disgusting actions by Metro yet AGAIN.

  23. At least these nice pics gives free advertizing to CD's Sports Lounge

  24. James Reza wrote this: "Leave it to someone to turn this into a debate on guns. The debate is a waste of time because those who want to kill will find a way to do it, with or without guns. You cannot unmake guns; you'd be better off trying to address the core reasons of violence. Humans can be violent and all the laws in the world will never, ever stop that."
    I assume that, given your logic, you would tell us that a knife or stick is exactly the same as a gun? This would mean that the military could go back to using swords and archery and forgo modern weapons? Unless there is some more fundamental difference you are busy trying to obscure...

  25. Let's see the video it may show that he didn't weiled the walking stick at all we are just being told this, And how much does a walking stick weigh twelve to fourteen ounces.

  26. Mark Schaffer, you cannot stop the violence of human beings by limiting their access to weapons that have already been invented. And yet, that is the fantastical delusion of the gun-control crowd.

    We will all die eventually, and no amount of governmental interference (via gun control laws, government administered health care, or laws against smoking or drugs) will ever stop that. Ever, ever, ever.

    You are better off, as someone who desperately believes that you can have some impact on human death by violence, trying to understand and alleviate the immediate causes of such violence, because humans are all capable of it, given the proper circumstances, and it matters not if a gun, a knife, a car, or one's hands are used, as the result is the same.

    As for your query regarding "modern weapons," gunpowder is about 760 years old.

  27. Let's hope the film is good. Another life seems wasted when officers could have shot to stop - Not Kill - the suspect.
    Any officer is expected to shoot to kill to protect their lives or a citizens life - but a cain com'on.
    There is a disconnect from the Public to the Police Force. Retraining, Discipline and enforcement of police guidelines is needed.

  28. "You have certain rights one of those rights is to do as you are told by the police or authorities. Once you DO NOT COMPLY, you are making a choice. If the choice isn't the right one then you give up your rights."

    Aaronboy -- you proved here you are a) completely ignorant of what being a citizen really means, and b) a good boy for this police state. Read the Constitutions, with emphasis on the Bill of Rights (Article I's "Declaration of Rights" in Nevada's) then try again for a relevant post.

    "The Fuhrer is always right." -- Joachim von Ribbentrop, the 1939 Konigsberg address

  29. ACSLATER this is what I read in the article, Neville said police believe surveillance video cameras from the Speedee Mart captured the incident. This was in the story on the main page.

  30. "But Bill of Rights have been updated by court rulings and most of it restricts states."

    SgtRock -- wrong. The 14th Amendment was passed by Congress, not the courts.

  31. Leave it to the Anti-Gun NUTS to turn a story about a walking cane into a rifle... Shows just how desperate they really are!

  32. Police Officers are NOT supposed to use lethal force (i.e., killing someone), unless all other training and actions have first been tried. This is supposed to be Standard Procedure among ALL police and law enforcement agencies - according to a ruling by the U.S. SUPREME COURT.

    THE FOLLOWING describes what is being taught to POLICE OFFICERS - as presented by an expert, and teacher, IN USE OF LETHAL FORCE. This guidance is in accordance with a ruling by the U.S. SUPREME COURT on the use of such force by police officers.

    "Police Use of Lethal Force"

    "To prepare for dangerous and life-threatening situations, police are trained in a "continuum of force." The continuum starts with an officer's presence, the lowest form of force, and rises through options such as verbal commands and less-lethal options until reaching its peak, "deadly force."

    "Officers are trained to use deadly force when they have probable cause to believe a suspect poses a significant threat of DEATH to the police or others, as decided by the U.S. Supreme Court in Tennessee v. Garner in 1985."

    SOURCE:
    http://www.ehow.com/about_5339658_lethal...

    In this LV Sun story, there seems to have been more than one officer present, and if the person who got shot was only carrying a "stick" - then I cannot understand why they could not rush him, and use their physical-force training to get him to the ground, where he would no longer be any kind of threat.

    Of course, one would have to have been there to know the exact situation, but it makes sense to me that the man who was shot - should have been WOUNDED; NOT killed. Further, it seems the man's argument with the woman was not at a point of harm to the woman - so if the man was just ignoring the police - and not swinging his "stick" - it was the police officer's MINDSET that fostered THEIR NEED to shoot to kill; not the victim's actions, or because the man did not do what the police told him to do.

    In a similar vien, in the Scott (COSTCO) shooting, the officer (Yant, I believe) said he took aim at "center-mass" (Scotts chest) and fired. WHY WAS THAT NECESSASRY? Scott ws not waving a gun around. Since there were 3 officers at THAT incident, one would wonder why they didn't RUSH Scott either - since they were all very close to him.

    Some day,someone is going to sue the LVPD, and win. THEN, the State of Nevada may pay more attention to the cascade of citizens who seem to have been in circumstances that might not have warranted being KILLED. And if these killings continue, the US Attorney General may become interested in seeing what is wrong in Las Vegas. I can see that day coming.

  33. Just like in the wild wild west- if one do not follow the Sheriffs orders one will get shot!!!

  34. Ok i have supported Metro for the past year in all twenty-four shootings. Part of this is because i have known a lot of cops in my lifetime, but come on metro a walking stick. You have tasers, you have pepper spray, man i have more guts and would take the man down in a bear hug. This time i think this was cold blooded murder.

  35. I just want to explain myself. I grew with cops, i was a firefighter for years, and i have a lot of respect for police officers. I watched them at work today and they treated three guys who were accused of drugs, car theft, and purse snatching with respect. Yes they had them at gun point for a while and yes they they stormed the unit, and yes we had tons of cops in the complex for about two hours. But the officers were respectful and did their job. Except for the fact that they did not leave us with information on what was going on.

    And every time i come in contact with the police i always tell them to have a safe day and to stay safe, but i cannot see shooting to kill for a walking stick pointed or not. And it was a running joke at work since i had my screw gun in a holster on my back that i should not make any sudden moves or i might get shot. So yes i really do think that this was a bad shooting even thought they tried non leather force and for once i agree that metro should be called on the carpet for this one plain and simple.

  36. James Reza believes the RATES of death would be the same with or without guns but proper controlled studies have long refuted such short sighted thinking. Not that James would understand the difference between a good study and those funded by gun industry apologists.

  37. IT APPEARS THAT A COUPLE OF POSTERS HEREIN HAVE NOT READ THE ENTRY I MADE REGARDING THE LEGAL USE OF "LETHAL FORCE." If you want to read all of my prior post, see it at Nov 16, at 12:58.

    My post discusses the "LAW OF THE LAND" (see QUOTE below) and is true, no matter what anyone might think otherwise. It is the Law. - -

    Police Officers are NOT supposed to use lethal force (i.e., killing someone), unless all other training and actions have first been tried. This is supposed to be Standard Procedure among ALL police and law enforcement agencies - according to a ruling by the U.S. SUPREME COURT.

    THE FOLLOWING describes what is being taught to POLICE OFFICERS - as presented by an expert, and teacher, IN USE OF LETHAL FORCE. This guidance is in accordance with a ruling by the U.S. SUPREME COURT on the use of such force by police officers.

    QUOTE:

    "Police Use of Lethal Force"

    "To prepare for dangerous and life-threatening situations, police are trained in a "continuum of force." The continuum starts with an officer's presence, the lowest form of force, and rises through options such as verbal commands and less-lethal options until reaching its peak, "deadly force."

    "Officers are trained to use deadly force when they have probable cause to believe a suspect poses a significant threat of DEATH to the police or others, as decided by the U.S. Supreme Court in Tennessee v. Garner in 1985."

    UNUOTE.

    SOURCE:
    http://www.ehow.com/about_5339658_lethal......

    All else is speculation for a jury to consider - but according to the law.