John Coulter / Special to the Sun
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During Las Vegas’ boom years, plentiful jobs were enough to keep the masses moving here.
Now that the boom has gone bust, a new survey by UNLV researchers suggests a large share of valley residents see little reason to stay.
The Las Vegas Metropolitan Area Social Survey found 40 percent of locals want to leave the state.
The results are an indication of tough times, said Robert Futrell, a UNLV sociologist who led the study paid for by the university and the Southern Nevada Regional Planning Coalition.
Most Las Vegans, it seems, talk about moving at some point. The transient nature of the area — only 8 percent of us were born here — certainly contributes to that. But with Southern Nevada’s economy bumping along the bottom, shedding jobs as it goes, more might be thinking those thoughts.
“It seems some people would want to leave because jobs are unavailable and jobs were such a large force in drawing people here,” Futrell said.
Part of it, however, could be the sense some have that they’re trapped here — by being underwater in their mortgages (more than 80 percent of valley households) or unable to find an attractive job elsewhere (U.S. unemployment rate: 9.7 percent).
In reflecting on the survey’s results, local officials, residents and former Las Vegans cited the fact that local governments failed to foster a sense of community at the same pace developers threw up chock-a-block stucco homes.
Clark County Commissioner Chris Giunchigliani said that the large number of people who want to give up on the area shows government did not do enough during the good times to make the valley a place where people would want to live even during bad times.
“I know a lot of it is the economy. But this is when you want to have the amenities in place,” she said. “Shame on the county for not putting funding directly into ... programs like parks.” Park funding typically comes from developers.
County Commissioner Susan Brager, chairwoman of the Regional Planning Coalition, said she is surprised by the survey’s results. “Most people I talk to really love it here,” said Brager, who works as a real estate agent.
The study showed that 77 percent feel their quality of life here is at least “fairly good.”
But some Las Vegans who have left said they understand the feelings of those who are considering moving.
Matt Chernoff, 37, a musician and native Las Vegan, moved about a year ago to a tiny community three hours south of Portland, Ore., with his wife, Monica, 32, his father and friends. All had grown tired of Las Vegas.
On 10 acres, the group has started something of a commune, he said.
“Moisture in the air and a green environment: That’s the physical, biological reason we moved,” Chernoff said. “The more psychological was, we wanted to have a child and I wanted to raise a child outside of Las Vegas, knowing what it’s like to be raised in Vegas.”
“Vegas is like a flagship for gluttony,” he added.
Harrah’s Vice President Thom Reilly, a former Clark County manager who divides his week between Las Vegas and San Diego, was stunned by the survey’s results (“Forty percent? Wow, that’s huge.”).
But living in both cities has allowed Reilly to see firsthand the differences between Las Vegas and a city where a sense of community is cultivated.
“I’ve lived in San Diego less and know my neighbors more because I can walk to the restaurant, to the grocery store, to get my hair cut ... and I see people doing the same — the sense of community is heightened because you’re not always in your car,” he said.
The study was done to capture a picture of residents’ experience living in the valley and knowledge of the environment. Futrell hopes to secure funding to do the study every few years to track how attitudes change.
“There really hasn’t been a systematic study like this done here,” Futrell said. “But it’s crucial for policymakers and residents to think about who we are, what we think and what do we imagine for our future.”
Of the 664 households surveyed, 41 percent had some college education; 56 percent were married; 71 percent were white; 41 percent earned $40,000 to $80,000; 23 percent were liberal, 38 percent moderates, and 39 percent conservative; 41 percent lived in the suburbs; 45 percent had lived in their homes six to 15 years; and 13 percent were unemployed.
The study was designed to poll random neighborhoods. Most social surveys take random samples from large census tracts. The neighborhood focus helped identify residents’ feelings of discontent and how connected they are to their community or neighborhood.
The sense of belonging varies across the valley. Urban core residents had stronger attachments to their neighborhoods than those in suburban, urban fringe or retirement neighborhoods.
More people felt a stronger sense of belonging to the state and Las Vegas Valley than to the neighborhood where they live.
That can work against neighborhoods. The study makes the point that neighbors who feel disconnected “may be less willing to act together to solve neighborhood problems,” such as drug-dealing, vandalism or other crime.
Still, Futrell noted, “people seem to feel like they trust their neighbors, they just don’t interact with them.”
So how do you get neighbors to connect?
In focus groups, respondents told researchers “they perceive neighborhoods with parks as more tight-knit, healthy and stable.”
On the urban fringe — the far outreaches of new development where parks are more plentiful than in the urban core — park satisfaction is about twice as high as in the urban core. And, the study notes, “the farther one moves outward from the urban core neighborhoods, the more residents feel close to their neighbors.”
“People who lived around parks couldn’t talk enough about how important that was to their sense of neighborhood pride,” Futrell said.
These are “quality of life issues that we have to deal with, and things we need to look at as we do future planning,” Giunchigliani said. “We need to look at land-use plans and see where we might be impeding opportunities to create good neighborhoods. Do we really need block walls around every neighborhood? Do we need to force everyone into a homeowners association?”







Vegas had a unprecedented chance to be a premier city of the 21st century. Essentially an entirely new metropolis was made over 20 years.
Instead, to me, it made it self the epitome of all the problems included in the urban sprawl of cities of the past centuries.
So long..Farewell..The more who leave quicker the better. We want our nice little valley back. If you are unemployed, upside down living on welfare, UI, etc. you might as well move on and find the next place to exploit. We long time locals never asked for this miserable movement of humanity to converge upon our city. I blame the corporate atmosphere started by guys like Howard Hughes, Kirk Kirkorkian, and Steve Wynn which churned it all up.
Don't forget to take your kiddees with you.
how's those rich folks doin for ya vegas.
We left in '06 after 11 years living in Vegas. The traffic is atrocious, especially with the taxi drivers and their stunts, not to mention triple trailer semis, moving vans and cement mixers hogging the "fast lane" on I-15. Crime, graffiti, road rage, illegal immigrants hanging around street corners; the list goes on and on. I was happy when we moved in and even happier when we left.
...I think this article is insightful....it shows how when community leaders are not thinking about its residents or looking ahead to the future of its communities and only thinks about making money from its casinos it will eventually fall apart like it is....Florida depends on tourists also, however they have a large amount of retired people there who dont depend on jobs to survive...its to bad... they should have been trying to get other industries there to strengthen their bottom line...large companies with lots of employees ...they should have been lobbing big industries and been thinking about future growth instead of a new hotels and casinos...
you know what destroys a community...
stupid pathetic ugly lying always making a threat or fear mongering republicans...
they are only concerned about the wealthiest among us...
actually...
to be more specific...
just the top 1% at that...
they have no sense of community...
they would rather fight you to the death for every single penny...
it is sad...
to them parks are waste...
besides...
the top 1% have gardens...
not parks...
The other side of the coin (one that Schoenmann did not reveal) is that the number of residents underwater and thus "looking to leave Las Vegas" will lower as the financial crunch receeds.
Birdie.. its clowns like , filled with hatred & spouting off about political crap that destroy a nice neighbourhood.
good leave don't let the door hit u in the a**
In the 30 years I've been going out there they only talked about the 4-5 thousand people moving in each month.They never talked about anybody leaving.
Hey, Birdie,
You may not have a garden but I'm guessing by your posts that you have a little plot of "herbs" that you tend with loving care.
Lived in Las Vegas for 33 years.
It was a fun place but grew to fast with little or no planning.
You can not take away the fact that it is an exciting place with tons to do.
My son and I moved out 2 years ago to a small town in Montana.
Best move I could have made, my son now has freedom to be a kid in a safe and friendly town - no crime, no gangs, no illegal immigrants, no traffic, no graffiti......
Sure there are things that we miss but over all if you are raising a child Las Vegas just isn't the best choice.
VOTE OUT ALL INCUMBENTS NEXT ELECTION(S) !!!!!
markj55 wrote:
"Best move I could have made, my son now has freedom to be a kid in a safe and friendly town - no crime, no gangs, no illegal immigrants, no traffic, no graffiti......"
I'm guessing not much of an absent father, welfare dependent crowd either. But, of course, I suppose just saying that makes me a racist.
As people move away, they leave their abandoned property behind. Investors will have nobody to rent their homes and will walk away from the property. Houses will begin to fall apart and home values will plummet even further down.
There will be fewer consumers driving the local economy, business will shut down, and the city will fall apart.
To all of you who say "farewell you greedy people, we don't need you anyway," I disagree with you. It is you who are the greedy ones. You think because you were here before the boom, you are better than those of us that came recently. In fact it was you that took advantage of us. That is why there is no sense of community. I purchased my house 9 months ago, and my neighbors have yet to welcome me to the community. Instead, my HOA welcomed me with a set of fines I had to fight.
I will miss every person who leaves, because that is one less person who could have helped save this town.
Las vegas is NOT the place to raise a child. Never mind tring to find a normal person to date.
Ok - hold on. remember that vegas is not the only city going through problems. My wife, I and 2 teens are moving to Vegas from Wisconsin in April.
Owners won't necessarily walk away from their properties because of people like us. Here are the reasons we are moving there....maybe this will cheer some of you up.
First....Wisconsin sucks to, so you're not alone.
Sun
Warmth
Beautiful scenery surrounding the area
While your schools may suck, they do in every city
Stuff to do and new place to visit. 3 or 4 hours to this city or that one.
New investment opportunity. While the first year we are there, we will rent a regular apartment, we are looking to save and invest in a condo or house after the first year.
Every bubble, busts. Internet bubble, housing bubble and so on.
While it is difficult for me to restrain from political comments (I'm a republican that is NOT rich by any means like Polosi or Read), my wife and I make under 50k a year but look FORWARD to coming to the Vegas area for a new beginning.
Just keep the water on.
Have a great day :-)
Well,i hope the 4/10 dont plan on coming to NY. NY is fast going down the tubes.
bottom line u can't grow any economy on tourism, at least not for long.employers are jumping ship to china and india and every other no wage country, why? americans lusting for cheap foreign made crap.and manufacturers are going to keep bailing to china as long as we you keep buying there junk, so it can only get worse
"vegas turned into the poster child of the real estate bust."
dipstick -- rent "Maxxed Out." Covers what you just said -- the boom right at the beginning then the coming bust later on.
I didn't realize the libraries open so early until I saw Birdies posts. They really should limit access to the computers so early in the morning.
Sadly Las Vegas will probably one of the last major cities to leave the recession. Then the demand for jobs will be great and new blood will move in.
Have you ever tried to explain "what Las Vegas is like" to an outsider? GOOD LUCK, right?
The Strip & Downtown are the Circus.
Predominantly, Las Vegas has Circus workers living in it. A lot of the folks that come to visit the Circus decide to come and join the circus, because it's warm here and FUN! Of course, that is all decided when VACATIONING. Of course we have fun on vacation at the Circus!
The Circus grew & grew and GREW, and Circus workers moved here by the TENS OF THOUSANDS in support of the burgeoning Circus business. To accommodate ALL the new Circus Workers, unprecedented GROWTH blew the Valley up like a BALLOON, until finally, when the Circus suffered greatly because not enough people had money to GO to the Circus,
the balloon POPPED and made one hell of a MESS. AND, we come to find out, IT HAS ALL BEEN A DESERT MIRAGE! A scam set up by insidious con artists who have been with the Circus since it was run by GANGSTERS! Now you have thousands and thousands of would-be Circus workers with no Circus to work at, a house that isn't worth the paper it's note is printed on (because of the Great Con), and a Circus that, largely corporate owned, could care less about the nearly 2 million Circus clowns that have moved here over the past 3 decades. Disaffected Circus workers don't have a TON OF CHOICES. What to do if you can't work at the Circus??? How do I pay my bills???
Man, I guess this joining the Circus deal wasn't such a great idea after all! I wonder if I can get my old job back in Toledo. Probably not. But my family & friends are there, and I'll find a job. Good bye, Las Vegas. My dream of working at the Circus is dashed, but I need SANITY. I can find NO SANITY living amongst the unemployed masses of undereducated Circus workers. Heck, half of them RAN AWAY to join the Circus... they have a MULTITUDE of problems that have nothing in particular to do with the Circus; It's just that now they have twice the problems that followed them here from "back home".
Goodbye to the Carny's, the sideshow freaks, the ticket takers, the vendors, the Con-Men, the pickpockets, the cotton-candy maker, (she was sweet!) I'll even miss the Fat Lady. But I guess the Circus was not for me after all.
Well if Obama would create jobs, then they would stay.
Hey Chris G., the people have made this country, not the government!!!
This should be of no surprise to anyone.
According to IRS data, for every 2 people who move to Las Vegas, 1 moves away.
Boy, people must really love the low taxes and lack of government intervention Nevada offers...
Las Vegas was pretty close to the last "major" metro area to get into the recession, and will be, by far, the last to crawl out. The enormous percentage divide between the pre-recession unemployment rate and the current rate is a painfully graphic example of how an almost solely service-based economy is not practically sustainable. I can't remember who said it, but I recently read an article in which it was quoted "a weekend in Las Vegas just SCREAMS discretionary income." And when that discretionary income goes out the window for a large percentage of the usual visitors, so do Las Vegas jobs and opportunities. Big boom followed by big bust - it's just the nature of the beast that's been created here.
gmag39: Love your post - SO true! Maybe those of us who stick around will get to experience a brief period of sanity before the big cycle starts all over again.
vegas HAD the chance to really do something amazing, but of course they ruined it.
too many casinos, too many homes, not enough factories and effort to get a more diverse economy.
i think the only reason keeping many people here is because they can't find employment someplace else. i think if / when the economy starts to get better in this country, vegas will empty out.
Las Vegas: The Detroit of the West.
Would the last person leaving please turn off the lights?
Man it sure would be nirvana if 1.5 million people in this valley clear OUTTA HERE!!!! Hey GemsofNirvana don't bother moving here please, stay where you are. Your welcome to visit us anytime, but please save us the "My wife, I and 2 teens are moving to Vegas from Wisconsin in April " crap! we have already had enough of your type of folks moving here because you though it was a good time when you visited here. Your teens will hate it, and hate you for moving them away from their home and friends up there in Wisconsin. They will not be safe in the school system, and this city is no place for young people. STAY HOME!!!!
Birdie: That one percent is the same group you're counting on to pay your newly subsidized Obamacare. You should be praying that those evil Republicans work hard as they now have useless slacking loafers hanging all over them sucking the very blood from their bodies as they try to go about the daily business of making those evil profits that you so desperately want to confiscate in the name of "equality."
It's nice to know that it's the LEFT who is melting down attacking their legislators because they didn't get the public option.
traffic was atrocious? What city do you live in now? Vegas has the best big city traffic of any city I have ever lived in!
Well gmag39 - I'm totally depressed now.
Well, not really but I am sorry for your state of concern.
As I said, I live in WI and I have been unemployed since Feb 2009. I started an online business that is not much right now, but the depressed job market inspired me to do my own thing.
Don't worry, I won't come to Vegas and leach your benefits. My wife is transferring and the rent there is $440 cheaper per month than what we pay here.
Also, be thankful you guys DO have lower taxes. We tax everyone here so much, that businesses don't want to come here and our environmental restrictions are tougher than what the fed imposes.
I could go on and on, but your guys have your own problems. I'm just saying, looking from the outside (and being there 4times in the last year, talking to people online that live there via posts and what-not) there are some upsides.
We long time locals never asked for this miserable movement of humanity to converge upon our city. I blame the corporate atmosphere started by guys like Howard Hughes, Kirk Kirkorkian, and Steve Wynn which churned it all up.
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By all means, don't blame yourselves for electing the officials who refused to put any reasonable limits on growth.
The more people that leave the longer it will take for home values to bottom out much less recover. People wouldn't leave if there were jobs. It comes down to those three little words JOBS, JOBS, JOBS....but I'm sure glad we have healthcare. Can't pay the mortgage but I get free advil for the headaches...
From my understanding Las Vegas has long had a history of transitory populous numbers due to the attractive draws that included weather,tax rates, affordable housing ect. At any given time over over the past 10 years the numbers have reflected the 2/1 ratio.Watching the growth over that time I have observed something the ones who do stay do so out of a genuine love for the valley.And as we speak Vegas is evolving into a city that offers more than just a place to play and indulge with unbridled abandon your wildest inclinations.Things that create a sense of community such as the the developing Smith Center will fill a much desired outlet for art and creative social hub.True it is difficult to find long standing meaningful friendships but a sense of community has always been here if you stay long enough to seek it out.
Personally, I can't wait to leave this place. Sure, I love being able to go out at any given time and there is tons of stuff to do, but I have never met such confrontational people in any other place I have lived. There is no sense of community, communication, or culture and I attribute that to the transient population. Many come in and go out but don't stay for long, and many work different shifts and often don't get a chance to even meet their neighbors.
hey. don't move here because of lower taxes. haha. those days are going to be long gone in about 2 years.
someone's gotta pay for all the healthcare for illegal aliens.
Finialy some good news. If 40% OF THE FORIGNERS LEAVE THE WATER SITUATION Will go away.
Enough with the boring "illegals" ruined this town. Geez, man, quit the annoying Beck nostalgia nonsense. This place was NEVER some idyllic desert paradise. This is a class issue. The local economy is a service economy. What does that mean? An uneducated workforce, no culture, no community, transient, et al. Seventy percent of this town is white. So quite your complaining about illegals. I don't agree illegals should be here- however, look at all the vibrant cities with diverse populations- not only racially, but with diverse classes (middle, upper middle, et al). Las Vegas doesn't have a strong middle class and is a city of apolitical, apathic people.
For all you racists posters- there's plenty of people, white, black, Hispanic, that are deadbeats. Being a deadbeat and a moocher goes back into history. So take your racists heads out of your ...
Cut off all welfare payments in order to push the subpeoples back into CA where the benefits flow freely.
I'm surprised that with the lack of high taxes, more manufacturing does not move to Vegas, or at least to Nevada as a whole.
Are the environmental regulations too strict for companies to want to move there?
There must be a reason.
"FORIGNERS" = Any one not born in Nevada i.e.California, not York, Oregon or not Mexico for example. But you can include the criminal invaders if you wish.
Man, if you ask 664 households in any state you will get at least 40% who want to leave. Do you think 40% would move from Michigan? New York? New Jersey? Absolutely. It's human nature to not be satisfied with what you have and to want more. That survey meant nothing. Jobs, jobs,jobs. What kind of jobs exactly do you think will be coming to Vegas? Retail? Porter? Survey Writer? "The longer you wait for something that won't happen, the longer it will take you to get ahead somewhere else".
There you have it. The new slogan for leaving Las Vegas.
I've always thought that developers in Vegas got a much better deal than they should have. They needed to put more in the kitty for roads, parks, schools, etc. From The Lakes in the mid 1980s to Mountains Edge this past decade, its proof you can build a community out in the middle of nowhere and expect the county (or city, or NDOT) to build out the roads to you at the taxpayers expense.
Its time to put the developers on the hook instead of letting them loot and pillage this town. But I'm sure they donate far more to local government elections than run-of-the-mill citizens.
Now the environprotector would have us believe he was in LV before Howard Hughes began buying property here.
Yep, OK then.
Gems
Don't let the comments on this site to get to you because they are the same every day.
The same comments from the same 10 or 15 depressed folks that is!
If you heard this much whining back in Wisc. you knew you needed to put on the 100% deet, just think of it as bigger insects here in Navada!
The reason we are where we are is because we have continually elected morons to make important decisions for us.
Dario Herrera
Lynetter Boggs
Erin Kenny
Yvonne Atkinson Gates
Lance Malone
Mary Kincaid
5 out of 7 commissioners during the boom either went to federal prison or were being investigated. Then we elect someone like Susan Brager - does she really think people here are happy and love it? I'm a native and I can tell you Las Vegas is a ghetto waiting to happen. It is Flint, MI with better weather and it is solely and 100% due to bad and unethical land planning decisions over the past decade. So corrupt.
There are un-happy people everywhere. heck, we're unhappy here, partly because of the government, partly because it's cold 8 months a year (Like today, it's cloudy, windy and 34 degrees. Ugh.) and partly because we are just sick of the midwest.
That's why, in an earlier post, I listed a few of the good things my wife and I see about Vegas.
While I don't expect everything to be peachy there in Wonderful Las Vegas, it will at least be a new set of issues to debate and sometimes a change in scenery can be good for the psyche.
I moved here 2 years ago from Southern California. I used to visit every month but waited until my kids graduated high school before making the move.
Started a company immediately upon arrival, its' doing well (10 full time employees now). Overall a great experience for me. I love this city and all it has to offer.
I like it here. But I live in Henderson, where we have safe subdivisions and overpaid cops patrolling the trailer park trash around Boulder Highway. I feel bad for people living in NLV and downtown LV. Creepy places filled with downtrodden gamblers and drunks.
But it's nice here. Great place for retirement. No jobs, so what? Your house is worthless, anyway. Lousy schools here, filled with future dropouts who mostly speak a foreign language.. So what?
Best you show up here with good money and Soc Sec, no kids, and with no need for a job.
BTW, love the weather.
Nice place.
Nothing has changed except for the fact that there has never been a study done. That's it. As a native, it has long seemed like 4 in 10 have wanted to leave, and I suspect if you did this survey in any large metropolitan area, especially during the worst recession of the past 70 years, you'd get similar results.
Las Vegas is what it is, and yes, the hordes who moved here during the last 20 years are part of the issue -- not because they moved here, but because they moved here for financial reasons (jobs or taxes or the idea of easy money) and brought with them expectations that Las Vegas cannot fulfill and was never meant to fulfill. For instance, if you move here -- especially to the suburbs -- expecting to get to know your neighbors, you are setting yourself up for frustration.
Las Vegas is what it is. If you bring unreasonable expectations or want to change the city to the point that the formula starts to crack, then the problems are your own.
another thing that i think people don't realize when they move here is that MANY people work night hours or on weekends.
your monday and tuesday could be your neighbor's saturday and sunday, so don't get upset if they don't come over for a beer.
Thom Reilly A city manager to Harrah's corporate board. I wonder what he did to get the Harrah's job and how mush he compromised the tax payers of Las Vegas to end up where he is now.He took the Jan Jones sell your soul and worry about yourself course.
Well, since we are moving into an apartment with neighbors on both sides and below us, I will make a point to introduce myself and ensure they know us. Also, if they make noise, I'll be a thorn in their side. :-)
all you complainers are a joke..if you dont like it here get out...try livin in NYC..you want to see traffic, aliens, taxes, cold weather... high rents, crowded, noisy dirty streets...? go there. how about climbin into a hole in the ground to go to work every day...? with smelly, dirty. third world workers...? man vegas is paradise, if you have a little balls, and some talent, you can make it here just fine..this is the last really free city in the USA...try buyin a gun legally in NYC ...or smokin a cigarette, without gettin fined... good luck
I love this town! I don't care what anyone says about it. We were transfered here from Florida with my partners job about 15 years ago and never looked back. It's been a great place to live. In 2004 when my mother was ill I spent the better part of a year staying with her in our home town and I couldnt wait to get home. If I drive to California for a weekend I cant wait to get back to Vegas.
environprotector You are delusional. Hughes and Kirkorian were here before you were a gleam in your daddies eyes. Why don't you leave,you seldom post anything rational?
A completely failed school system,corrupt public officials,a failed judicial system with totally inept judges,corrupt police,crime that gets worse with each passing month,employers who victmize thier employees and the list goes on. Las vegas could have been something special but greed,corruption and mismanagement ruined it.
gmag...you are a funny clown...but a sad clown too.
Go back to Toledo...ha ha....Toledo...really?
hey homer....GTF out then...they have metal detectors in schools in NYC..crime! man you dont know what crime is..they got more criminals in jail in NYC than people in Summerlin..stop cryin and hit the road jack... we wont miss you..and take marge and bart with you too!
"A completely failed school system,corrupt public officials,a failed judicial system with totally inept judges,corrupt police,crime that gets worse with each passing month,employers who victmize thier employees and the list goes on. Las vegas could have been something special but greed,corruption and mismanagement ruined it."
And here I thought so-called "greed" and "corruption" BUILT IT. Silly me. It must be because I am a product of the Las Vegas public school system and its university...
Gems..don't fret. Keep your mid-west attitude as it is contagious. I just hope you don't move in next to SteveM or wizardof"huh"? They are not just glass is half empty people. Their glass is broke because of Obama, Mexicans, Democrats, growth, people...etc, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah.
I married a Wisconsin gal and MOST people from that state are great. Don't be swayed some the negative posts here...these people have nothing better to do than B and Moan about EVERYTHING. No solutions...just complaining.
Realistically though....August in Vegas SUCKS..even with a pool.
omigod. Reading these postings about Vegas makes me ill. Coming from the Midwest, California was too expensive; so I, too, unwillingly followed my husband to the land of rocks, guns and FUN! and have hated every minute of it. This town is A Bad Town, as Frank S. sings of it - built on greedy investors fleecing anyone stupid enough to get caught in its glittering web. Education? Worst in the nation.
Unemployment? Highest in the nation.
Value of homes? DOWN, DOWN, DOWN ... lowest in the nation!
Happy Citizens? Fewest in the nation.
Take your children and get the heck out of Dodge - you will make the locals happy and your family will benefit. This unbearably hot and dry desert is not fit for human habitation.
Other than that ... Viva Las Vegas!
longtimevegas;
No, you'll have to have me kicked out.
I'm not going anywhere. LOVE the weather.
TOLEDO???
Are you NUTS?
That was metaphorical, young man.
Gem, I'm a Minnesotan, and you will LOVE the weather!
Just remember, you are moving to a Stephen King Novel titled "The Circus"!
They should make selfish, freeloading retirees who already paid to raise their kids in other states a fee to live here. Oh wait, that's called TAXES!
I love visiting Las Vegas but I would never raise children there. It's true that good parents make good children but why even expose kids to some of the negative influences of the town.
"I purchased my house 9 months ago, and my neighbors have yet to welcome me to the community."
It works BOTH ways, you did not make a move to say hello to them either.
I agree .... All elected officials now in office must go ..... Time to elect new thinking. From Reid,too Ensign, too the 2 Congresswomen, too Goodman, too County Officials. Las Vegas and Henderson need new leadership. They need leaders that are focussed on one main thing....bringing as many jobs as possible to Las Veges. They need the organize All major business leaders in the community to ask them what they can do to help them, not hinder them. They need to court major companies and manufactures with tax breaks and incentives to bring their company's and factories here. Then not stop, they need to take suggestions from the people with town hall meets to listen and ask what they need....and that is just the beginning.
Mr. Reiley needs to his train his corporate egotists how to treat their employees. Harrah's has one of the worst reputations for treating its hotel employees. Their head HR director is very corrupt, callous, and devious. He has little knowledge on how to run the HR and doestn't follow contracts or company policy. They release their good workers only to promote their friends or relatives who haven't a clue on how to do their jobs.
This is why people are leaving Vegas. Many workers don't like the way they are treated here. No surprise there. Tourists don't want to come back due to the high cost of rooms, shows, and food. Plus they don't win like they used to. They'll be going to other states that have better deals with their gaming hotels.
The government doesn't do this, the government doesn't do that. Whine! Whine! Whine! Ever hear of community service? That way you'd feel more connected to the area and make Las Vegas better at the same time!
Gems... I heading out there next March w/the Mrs. and three kids (my dogs). We gotta meet and have a drink to NOT missing the crappy, cold, damp, snowy, ice covered roads of the midwest,, and that's in MAY! Besides, Cle hasn't had a championship is DECADES, so I won't miss that either. Keep the light on for us!!
Those of you who want to leave......you're not gone yet?
Good, take your weird ideas, you bad driving habits, your nasty kids and your whining and go. You came here thinking this was your "Pot of Gold" at the end of the rainbow and all you found was hot summers, hard work and sand.
I love it here, I came here because I thought Las Vegas was a beautiful city and it still is. The people who don't like it here are the ones that make it miserable for those of us that love.
Gems of Nirvana...I personally welcome you to Fabulous Las Vegas! What an exciting time for you! Life is what you make of it and with your good attitude, I see many opportunities for you here.
For the people who do not want to be here, for the people who do not want to contribute, for the people who simply want to complain: It's time for you to move on now. We are all trying to to the best we can, and you are not helping. Goodbye and good luck in paradise, wherever that may be. VIVA LAS VEGAS!
Let's face it for the most part, this town has always been about greed and the attempt to get rich quick, not doing the right thing. The problem: many of those who made it shipped their profits out of Nevada and try to control what is left by huge campaign contributions, bribes, etc. We allowed big corporations to play us for the fool. We allow corrupt politicians to further degrade our communities. Corrupt school leaders have allowed our schools to become stepping stones for their careers, with little regard for ensuring students are held to higher standards.
What has happened in Nevada is a magnified picture of the decline in America: greed/corruption, drug use, narcissism (It's all about me.) apathy, declining work ethic, hopelessness, and a dwindling interest in education. This is depressing but cannot be changed unless we actively participate in doing what is right for others, not just ourselves. That's a tough concept in today's society.
We all have to decide if the pros outweigh the cons before we bail. Do we walk away from our biggest investments (almost worthless homes) or do we stick it out and hope we can stay employed long enough to see the economy and perhaps community spirit improve?
"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times; it ws the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness; it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity; it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness; it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair; we had everything before us, we had nothing before us; we were all going directly to Heaven, we were all going the other way."
--Charles Dickens
Sorry for the long quote. Just my of saying that some things never change. And that I agree with all of you.
Libra made a good point: We do have to stick it out and hope that our biggest investment (our homes) regain their value. THEN WE CAN GET OUT OF THIS HELLHOLE. I wonder if the inhabitants of Hell find some redeeming qualities there, as the citizens of Vegas are desperately trying to do. Journey wants to blame genetics ... it has more to do with facing the bleak facts about this miserable state.
vegasvegas says,
"Vegas has become one giant trailer park of stucco houses."
WONDERFUL METAPHOR!
Little Pink Houses for you & me, Baaby!
Clearing out about 40% of the population would probably be the best thing to ever happen to Vegas.
Bring back the Vegas of the 70's, 80's and 90's that I grew up with!
wizardofoz--You seem to enjoy yuour rant about Harrah's, but unfoirtunately you fail to mention that Harrah's does not own any casinos in Macau! The onw only a golf course. Maybe next time you should get your facts straight before spewing your hateful nonsense just so you can try to look cool.
ny posted "hey homer....GTF out then...they have metal detectors in schools in NYC..crime! man you dont know what crime is..they got more criminals in jail in NYC than people in Summerlin..stop cryin and hit the road jack... we wont miss you..and take marge and bart with you too!"
I have to agree. I have lived in shaky areas in NYC, Boston and Atlantic City. I'll take Vegas any day. The posters who think it is so bad must be from small towns in the West or Midwest.
Oh, come on you guys, don't be too hard on the people that want to leave. It's tough out there!! Let them find peace and happiness elsewhere. Life here in Vegas isn't for everybody!! For those of us (including me) staying, let's just get through the mess and continue to live our lives.
A lot of moaning everyday and many times the same people. I live in Las Vegas and S.C. opened a branch of my biz in Vegas 2-1/2 years ago. If anyone thinks it's better somewhere else pack it up and go. I can tell you houses on both sides of me are empty here in S.C. and multiple people with out jobs also. LV needs to do a better job of attracting non gaming business because the state has a lot to offer. BTW I do know a few of my neighbors, nice people. I do love Las Vegas
Blondie....just leave the house and go back to where ever you CAN afford. Let me guess...husband left you because he was sick of taking care of you. Now you are a "victim" and can't find a date because you are so negative. I suggest you get educated and take care of YOURSELF. I'll pay for your bus ticket out of town.
Piratepk...please, please, PLEASE fight the urge to post your comments until you use spell check or grammar check.
Here are some examples.
1. Time to elect new thinking. From Reid,too Ensign, too the 2 Congresswomen, too Goodman, too County Officials. Las Vegas and Henderson need new leadership. (HUH)
2. They need the organize All major business leaders in the community to ask them what they can do to help them, not hinder them. They need to court major companies and manufactures with tax breaks and incentives to bring their company's and factories here. Then not stop, they need to take suggestions from the people with town hall meets to listen and ask what they need....and that is just the beginning. (GOOD GOD MAN)
Just getting through you ramblings is tedious and I think I lost a few brain cells just reading your post.
Please tell me you are in Jr. High School...and not from Vegas. Your grammar is soooo bad.
Embarrasing.
To those who want to leave -- please do so, at your earliest convenience -- we won't miss you . We happen to love Las Vegas -- and intend to stay until we turn to dust. We find the desert landscape to be beautiful -- I personally have spent most of my life in the Mojave Desert - by choice. To JGro3721 -- 9 mos. and not one person introduced themselves ?? OMG - Did you ever stop to think that maybe YOU should introduce yourself ?? I was in my home a whole 2 days & I had met all of the neighbors surrounding my home -- a great bunch of people I might add. A town/community is only as good as the people who inhabit it choose to make it -- I personally am sick and tired of people complaining that 'Someone should do Something to change things, etc'...YOU are someone -- get involved in your community -- become part of the solution, not the problem. As for us, Las Vegas is home & we aren't leaving !!
there are plenty of jobs for those willing to work..
I really enjoyed reading the comments on here today... I cannot believe how many unique posters are on here who love living here... That is awesome!!! I am in the same boat, I have worked in many cities in this country from small towns to NYC and I can tell you that this place is by far the best... We have minimal commutes at worst 45minutes... weather is great year round except the wind (I hate the wind)... and what other place can you find something to eat at 3AM... I also worked a lot of late hours in those places, and if we didn't catch dinner by 10 we were eating 24 hour drive through... And the best part is that the community at large is like a giant suburb... Not to mention we are 4 hours to the beach and don't pay the California premium...
Do we have bad parts of town, yes... But trust me anyone that was here for the gangs of the early 90's knows what we have now is minimal... Do we have school system problems... yes... But I can tell you our school system is severely skewed by the fact we have parents that don't want to take an active part in the system, the system here ends up being nothing more then a free babysitting service in a lot of cases... The schools out by me are great... our test scores are higher then the national average... But when you district is in the top 5-10 size wise... you have to average the good with the bad... Do we have political corruption... yes? But if you can show me one city that doesn't, then I have some ocean front property in Mt's Edge to sell you...
So for the same trolls, and trust me it is the same trolls for anyone that does not typically read these comments, that are on here week after week screaming how miserable it is here and that the sky is falling, please feel free to vacate... Obviously Vegas is not for you...
BTW I like is so much I have lived here for almost 25years... Was a military brat before hand... So suffice it to say I am pretty well traveled..
If 4-in-10 *did* just stop talking about it and actually left, that would leave us with roughly 1 million residents. As I understand it, 1 million residents is the "sweet spot" for cities. Awesome.
I think the neo-monasticism of the "Dave Ramsey Show" has afflicted the area. Everyone is staying home and eating beans and rice.
A Vegas area steak house advertised on local hate talk radio. About a year later they close one of their two locations. A billiard furniture company advertises on local hate talk radio, a year later they close one location.
This is a pattern.
Dittohead radio is trashing the country and hoping it fails. Obama fails, the country fails and so do the people in it. Of course then, why would people advertise on a station that says the economy is tanking?
Good. Head on back to other parts of the country (Especially California). I will wave goodbye as you leave. I love Las Vegas and never want to leave. Born and Raised and here 'til I die.
Oh, blondie, DOES TYPING YOUR COMMENT IN ALL CAPS MAKE IT MORE TRUE?
What makes Las Vegas a tough place to live ARE PEOPLE WITH BAD ATTITUDES LIKE YOU.
Oh, wow, you are right! ALL CAPS MAKES IT SO MUCH MORE TRUE!
PS: If you bought your house anytime between 2003-2006 and you are waiting for it to regain its lost value ... You have a long wait (based on historic and realistic 4% annual appreciation rates), so either suck it up and create some happiness or leave!
What? Gangs, Guns, Graffiti, Gomer Pile Gillespie, Gibbons, GOP led casino's(Wynn), Ensign not enough to keep people from leaving?
Bring the Rain,
You really don't get it. Nevada is full of Government intervention. The problem is that we get nothing in return. We have no state tax but we do pay federal taxes. Out of those federal taxes, Nevada ranks dead last in federal funding. http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story....
http://www.census.gov/prod/2009pubs/fas-...
I may need to simplify this for you but money leaves the state and doesn't come back because of government intervention. Additionally, Las Vegas gets the raw end of the deal in the state because we pay to fund programs in other cities in Nevada. Again, that is government intervention. Do you even know how much of Nevada is Federal land. About 85% is federal land. http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2008/06...
Maybe your right and Nevada is practically free of government intervention (Your not).
Redistribution of wealth is killing Nevada. Redistribution of wealth will kill America because the money funds programs that have zero return.
How is Vegas to survive when Nevada is the biggest federal loser and Vegas is the states biggest loser all because politicians created this socialistic system were they decide who wins and loses. That is what the liberals call social and economic justice.
Homer :
I celebrated my 21st Birthday at the grand opening of the Tropicana Hotel. You do the math buddy, then put it where the sun don't shine pal!!!
Back in the day, there used to be signs outside two of the interesting shops that once were along the Strip before the chain drugstores and the malls moved in.
One read, "Drugs. Guns. Booze." Another read, "Hats. Belts. Guns. Cactus." And that is what Las Vegas was before everyone moved here chasing a dime. Now that things have slowed enough for them to have to look up, they don't know what to do now that they find themselves in Las Vegas. Funny.
My name is Sam, and I am planning on moving back to Las Vegas towards the end of this year. I lived there previously for 9 years, and I miss it a lot, I now live in Elko in northern Nevada, and we have NONE of the things Vegas has, no malls, no major department stores, no major restaurants, none of that, we also have low crime, I know Vegas has crime, just like any other big city, I'm transferring to the community College there from here. Those that want to leave, that's their business, I'm sure when the recession is completely over, Vegas will be like it was with jobs and the like. I think mayor Goodman will be up with his administration next year, so chin up Las Vegas, it can't be THAT bad!
Gems, if you are gonna rent an apt perhaps Henderson or southeast side would be more better. The traffic is less than say NW and SW sides of town.
actually the tanking economy is taking money from the smart and the rich to feed, house, and provide health care for the stupid and poor.
lol.
ya, a soaring unemployment rate had nothing at all to do with a STEAKHOUSE closing.
haha.
The grass is always greener where the dogs are sh***ng.
-"Outshined" by Soundgarden
Thirty years ago, this was a good town. Too many people moved here, too fast. I am glad to see them leave. The faster the better.
Two men moved to a city. The first man asked the mayor what the people in the town were like. The mayor asked him what the people in his previous town were like and he said they were all unfriendly, dishonest scoundrels who were totally worthless. They Mayor said, "thats what the people in this town are like."
The second man asked the same question and the mayor asked him in return what the people in his previous town were like. He replied that they were all friendly, warm, honest upright citizens, to which the mayor replied, "the people in this town are the same."
A person's perception of others has more to do with what's inside their head than what's outside their door.
wonder how this will effect houseprices
Stevem, you and I think alot alike.
Every city has its problems! I came from a 100K city in Florida that had just as much crime, illegal immigrants, over-building, corruption, etc as LV. You can't overgeneralize by saying we have the worst of everything in LV. Personally, I like it here so far. In terms of first class entertainment and cuisine there is no equal. You can also have a budget weekend playing penny slots and eating at the casino buffet. I'm staying!
We still plan to retire in Vegas. Don't care if people move out. It is still less expensive to live there than many places. Alot to do too.
I would not rule out moving to Las Vegas someday... The desert does have it's own beauty and the proximity of Mt. Charleston, Red Rock Canyon and The Valley of Fire State Park are big draws to me.
I have lived in Vegas since 1987 and I really do love this city. I stated in my comment above a serious problem that the most powerful Senator has never brought up.
On top of that we have government employees making about 30% more than private sector equivalents. http://www.lvchamber.com/government-affa...
On top of that we have unions that are crushing the city and although the city is getting less in taxes, the unions are not cutting back. They are simply postponing increases. We are taken over by state and city elected offices that are heavily reliant on union contributions like Harry and Rory Reid and will not put Nevada in front of their campaign funds. We have plenty of federal and state funded welfare programs that also increase financial obligations on the state since we are dead last in federal funds making Nevada the biggest donor state percentage wise.
The state also funds stupid projects like the monorail and entertains the idea of funding private business ventures with tax payer dollars to provide union members with more jobs.
To RUDE RPJ: you said: "Oh, blondie, DOES TYPING YOUR COMMENT IN ALL CAPS MAKE IT MORE TRUE?What makes Las Vegas a tough place to live ARE PEOPLE WITH BAD ATTITUDES LIKE YOU. ALL CAPS MAKES IT SO MUCH MORE TRUE!PS:(sic)...suck it up and create some happiness or leave!"
YOU ARE AN EXAMPLE OF THE TYPICAL CRUDE, RUDE, UNEDUCATED LAS VEGAN WHO HAS BEEN IN THE RUTHLESS SUN FOR TOO MANY YEARS. IT'S TOO DAMN HOT, TOO DAMN WINDY, TOO DAMN DRY AND DUSTY, AND DEFINITELY TOO ROCKY IN THIS DESERT. THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR IS GOD HERE. CANNOT IMAGINE A PERSON COMPARING BEAUTIFUL, GREEN, HAPPY SAN DIEGO (OR ANY PART OF WONDERFUL CALIFORNIA FOR THAT MATTER) WITH THIS HOTHOUSE THAT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE ENOUGH WATER TO SUSTAIN LIFE. A MERE FOUR HOURS TO THE OCEAN? ARE YOU NUTS? SO, FOOLS, STAY HERE, CONTINUE DELUDING YOURSELVES WHILE THE SMART ONES FIND A REALLY NICE PLACE TO LIVE OUT THEIR LIVES. STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES, RPJ.
TO LONGTIMEVEGASRES: (hell of a stupid name)"Blondie....just leave the house and go back to where ever you CAN afford. Let me guess...husband left you because he was sick of taking care of you. Now you are a "victim" and can't find a date because you are so negative. I suggest you get educated and take care of YOURSELF. I'll pay for your bus ticket out of town."
KEEP YOUR MONEY IN YOUR TATTERED JEANS, FELLA. FOR YOUR INFO, I HAVE A WONDERFUL, CARING HUSBAND RIGHT HERE, AND IF NEEDED, I'M SURE I COULD HAVE ALL THE DATES I WANTED BUT WHO THE HELL WANTS ONE OF YOU GRIZZLED NEVADAN A-HOLES?
I KNOW I AM BETTER EDUCATED THAN YOU BECAUSE I DID NOT HAVE THE MISFORTUNE OF BEING RAISED HERE.
TAKE THE BUS OUT OF HERE? MAYBE THAT'S YOUR PREFERRED MODE OF TRANSPORTATION, FOOL; HAVE YOU HEARD OF MCCARREN AIRPORT?
CANNOT WAIT TO LEAVE YOU AND YOUR CRONIES IN THE DUST. YOU HAVE NO MANNERS, NO EDUCATION, NO BRAINS, AND BELONG HERE IN THE DESERT WITH THE COYOTES AND THE CACTUS - LOOK FORWARD TO YUCCA MT. SPELLING THE END OF THIS STATE.
Now look at the anger you generated. Happy now, loser?
To SmarterThanYou:
I don't think so, as you take the name of the Lord in vain. I TYPE IN UPPER CASE TO MAKE MY POINT. AT LEAST I CAN TYPE A COMPLETE SENTENCE IN PROPER ENGLISH. FOOL.
I like Vegas!
Vegas is strictly a service-based economy with most wage earners making 70% of income from gratuities. This tells me tourism and conventions are paramount in the city's recovery. If and when US economy recovers and people flock to Vegas once more, things should get better.
Someone did not take their estrogen today...At least the posts are entertaining... I sure am getting a chuckle out of them...
Please, feel free to keep the room entertained... You are like the Sam Kinison of the LV Sun boards... OH OH OOOOOHHH!!!!
Hey blondie,
I hope you do a little more research before you move next time. A simple google earth shot would have told you Las Vegas is in the desert.
You shouldn't be calling Nevadans fools with no brains.
After all, you're the only idiot here that's surprised and appalled at the lack of oceans and greenery. You're the first dummy ever to come here that's surprised by the heat, the dust and the rocks. That's kind of what Nevada is known for. Because it's the desert.
Peace out loser.
Perchance it is that time of the month?
henderson: wishing peace and then calling names is another example of Nevadan stupidity.
You are the LOSER and it's so obvious that even you know it. California is part desert, too, fool, and it's beautiful and amenable to humans. This desert has no redeeming qualities and that's the surprise to everyone who attempts to scratch out some sort of life here. You are certainly welcome to every rock and grain of sand. Enjoy.
Dust bowl. no education. Moon scapes. How many times can you look at the mounds of dirt that Nevadans call mountains.
Rock gardens.. holy crap you can only re arrange rocks so many times..
okra: PUH-LEEZE! that insult dates back to the 40's! wake up and come into the 21st century! that's what you stupid Nevadan dust bunnies do best: insult the ladies through your gap toothed mouths. I'll just bet you have a concealed GUN up your ass, too.
ChickenLittle: I'll take my estrogen if you take your Viagra. Another FOOL living in the past.
omigoodness, you do bring out the worst in a person, don't you??
"Now look at the anger you generated. Happy now, loser?"
That is exactly what wife beaters say to excuse themselves from responsibility for their behavior.
Sad.
bye-bye!
Desert is desert....it's rock, sand, cacti, flowers, coyotes. The fact that this surprised
you makes you pretty dumb.
The fact that you bought a house in a place that you hate is really, really dumb.
Just because you might be a dumb loser doesn't mean I can't wish you peace.
Peace out! You want I-15 South if you're looking for ocean.
You didn't even address the best part of my post... I am so disappointed...
ChickenLittle
looked Sam K. up and found: "Sam" Kinison (December 8, 1953 -- April 10, 1992) was a U.S. stand-up comedian and actor. Kinison was known for his intense, harsh humor. A former revival-style preacher, he performed stand-up routines that were most often characterized by an intense style, similar to revival preachers, punctuated by his trademark scream"
AH, OK, A BIT BEFORE MY TIME BUT I GUESS YOU MEAN MY UPPER CASE LETTERS. NOT INTENDED AS A SCREAM, BUT, WHAT THE HELL. FIGURE MOST OLD, CROTCHETY, GRIZZLED, DRIED OUT, BEARDED, GUN-TOTING NEVADANS MAY BE HARD OF HEARING.
henderson
you are going to try and get the last word in, aren't you? yep, I was duped into buying a house by a Vegas con man (this town is full of them) and tried to make husband a happier still gun owner. My mistake. Never said it wasn't a monumental mistake.
And I genuinely wish you peace, henderson, because it's all you have ... certainly not pride in your state.
chicken, I laughed, it was funny.
blondie,
Who are you calling crotchety? Have you read your own posts? You are an incredibly unpleasant beast. I totally feel sorry for whoever married you.
I just went back to your original post and realized something...
"so I, too, unwillingly followed my husband to the land of rocks, guns and FUN! and have hated every minute of it."
Duh! He came here to escape you!
I am only 31... Just so happens I actually have the ability to process more then the last 5 years of my life... Must be that terrible education I received here, or that horrible engineering education I received at UNLV... But good for you, you finally got the joke... *tear*... I am so proud, you're all growed up...
ChickenLittle:
did you have any English courses at UNLV? It's "grown up" not all growed up. If you were being facetious ... not so humorous. Sure that it went right over the heads of your Vegas neighbors. *snicker*
Oh yeah, I'm sure hubby is one happy fella. What with all the love and all. Prolly thanks his lucky stars every day for how blessed he is.
henderson:
we are going to have to stop meeting like this - becoming suspicious!
Hubby wanted to "Go West, Young Man" and I tried to comply. Just didn't go far enough West. You're a nasty BEAST yourself. Much pity to whoever got stuck with you. Now go and count the rocks in your back yard. Or see a *STAR* on the strip.
I am well aware it is "grown up" but that's just not funny, now is it...
okra
he is one, and does so every day.
Thanks for caring.
ChickenLittle
Nor are you funny. Or a proud poster boy for UNLV. Proves my point.
I don't blame anyone for wanting to pack up and leave,I've lived here for 45 yrs and this is the worst it has ever been. Bring back the mob and get rid of the gangs.
Well I entertain myself... And that's what really counts here...
I could do this all night but unfortunately I have a life beyond the LV Sun message boards...
blondie I will say your hubby is a lucky guy, because my guess is with that attitude, you are a spark-plug when it counts... :) And I mean that as a true compliment... Good luck in your future endeavors... What makes one person happy doesn't always please the next one... Hopefully you will find that place you are looking for... I wish the best for you...
Its been fun... Elvis has left the building...
RIGHT ON! fedup2here
See, even the diehard locals can see the truth! Yes, the mob gave this place it's start and it's joie de vivre. Today it's foreign corporations demanding to make their fortunes at the expense of Nevada residents as well as suckers from everywhere else. They certainly don't contribute to the well being of Las Vegans, do they? Why not take back your city? You all deserve better than the desert's torture, don't you?
I, personally, have never heard of MCCARREN AIRPORT. Then again, I don't have the education "blodie1019" does.
McCarran, MCCARREN, it's all the same ... Blondie must have bought a house in 2006. Oops!
YELL YELL YELL SCREAM SCREAM SCREAM CAPS CAPS CAPS lol
So what if I want to leave? Why do you care? Read this paper everyday and you'll see why I want to leave and move my family somewhere else. Who cares?? If I lived in NYC and saw crime, drugs, etc. getting worse I'd want to leave there too. This is a violent city and whoever argues against that never goes out after dark. I'm sure it's always been that way. But since the real estate boom this violent city has now expanded to places where it wasn't a problem in the past. I used to know what sections of town to stay away from..now it doesn't matter where you live. The real estate boom, followed by section 8 caused this. This is a town of renters. The one word homeowners never want to hear is "rental". Good Luck to the homeowners here.
The point, Brian_D, is that those who want to leave should do just that - leave - and just shut up about it. But people like that never really *do* anything, they just complain about everything.
All those loud-mouthed, angry, unhappy haters who make it hard to live here? Vegas didn't ruin them, they ruined Vegas. When they are gone, Las Vegas will once again be a great place to live.
We can all agree that the weather in Las Vegas is great whether you are a Senior Citizen or not living here.
It also has been agreed upon by even our most Senior Leaders in high elected office that Vegas is not a very friendly town. When was the last time that someone offered to do something for you without looking to see how they were going to get something in return?
That is a culture problem in Vegas and yes building a community with annual events that people can look forward to should be something that Las Vegas, Clark County and Henderson Officials should be spending time on.
Sad to say that there are vocal minorities that have helped in taking away local firework shows and annual events because to the vocal few it is a pain for them. Then you have park officials who have taken away alcohol sales from any event at a park making it hard for any event organizer to cover costs. The White Elephant - Henderson Pavillion sits vacant. See how much it costs for someone to hold an event there. Then the vocal minority in the area complains about events at the facility. Why build this facility? Why move to a home next to it? With no events - who wins - the few not the masses.
How can Las Vegas really be a community when it's a few people that are dictating policy while the masses get to watch events never be held again or never even started. I would not say that the LVCVA or Las Vegas Events has spent any of their money on bringing an event that incorporates the locals as much as the tourists at any time either.
Talk what you want about Parks - it's the people running them, the vocal few that complain constantly about anything that they can (you know the same people who are the HOA complainers in your neighborhood) and our governmental leaders that got greedy who dont help in making this area a better place to live.
Real shame.
RPJ
you are so deluded and in your own world of make believe that Vegas is now or ever has been a great place to live.
Tell me what amenities you enjoy here and nowhere else.
How proud are you that we are dead last in everything that counts?
What does a town that bleeds its tourists via liquor, crooked gaming, leering men lusting after abused women, overpriced goods, as well as bloodthirsty traffic cops ~~ have to offer a decent person and his family?
Come on, Vegas was ruined the day it was created.
That's the truth. Sorry to break the news.
To blondie1019:
I am active duty military stationed here at Nellis Air Force Base. I am a lifer in the military. Along with being stationed here, I am proud to call Las Vegas my home for nearly 11 years. I am grateful to have a stable job here, I own a house in Southwest LV and I can visit my friends in Phoenix and Southern California on my leave time or weekends.
You call people who live here in Nevada "Grizzled A-holes." Well Blondie1019, I live here, this is my official residence on my military pay records. Do you want to put me in that category? Just remember there are may worse places in America to live or raise a family in. So please, stop with the Vegas attacks on Henderson and Chickenlittle. You don't hear us attacking you as a San Diego lover so just chill with the vile comments.
By the way Blondie1019, gaming and tourism and all those horrible things you talk about are not the only economic engines here in Las Vegas.
Do you know how many people are employed at Nellis Air Force and the Nellis Test and Gunnery Range? Do you how much money the base and its operations bring each year to the Las Vegas economy? Do you know how important Nellis Air Force Base is to DoD and our national defense? Do you know what the missions are at Nellis Air Force Base?
Nellis AFB is very important to Southern Nevada. And to Blondie1019, I will also give you all the answers to the questions I asked you above just to prove my point. Since I do work at Nellis, I can give my insight on it.
LasVegas9
Thank you for your service to our country. If you have been following this discussion, you would know that I gave my comments about Las Vegas without rancor or attacks on the people. But some slacker low lifes began attacking my husband, as well as myself personally - so I merely defended myself. I don't just love San Diego, I love California itself because of its beauty, diversity, wonderful climate - and people who are genuinely more at peace because they can enjoy their lives without scratching out a daily existance. Is California bankrupt? Oh yes, but then so is Illinois and Florida and Wisconsin, and so many more. But the California spirit of good will prevails. I just can't understand why this fact cannot be accepted by mean spirited Nevadans.
My comments are not vile. The attitude of your fellow Las Vegans is. Again, glad you are happy during your time in the service of your country.
So, if all the people who relocated here leave, what are all you happy Las Vegas people going to do with the left over ghost subdivisions?
You think the town will improve with so many vacant homes? Personally I recommend you all bulldoze them before they become havens for drug dealer's opps to late for that isn't it?
I moved back to Las Vegas a few years ago with my children because I have family here. This valley has many good things and many bad things. To say it is barren and ugly is untrue, well unless you are talking about the strip, but have to keep the tourist happy, they support the town. Red Rock Canyon and The Valley of Fire are places I spend many enjoyable hours, they are anything but barren or ugly. I work and am glad to have a job, I pay my bills. I am not delinquent on anything, so no accusing me of being on welfare or unemployment hmmm? I for one also will be extremely happy when I can leave Las Vegas. I wait for the day my schooling is finished, that I have money saved up to move. This place is not good for families, for children to grow up in, so I sent mine to live with my ex-husband. I look forward to the day I can see them all the time and not a few times a year. That said I am not leaving a job to relocate to where there are fewer jobs than here where I cannot help support my children. I love Las Vegas and hate Las Vegas.
ONE thing Blondie has right is most of you all here have absolutely no clue how to treat a woman, lady or otherwise. What passes for dating in this place is obscene, vulgar and repugnant and that is from both genders alike most here seem to only be about using others. So, yes I look forward to moving away but don't worry I will come back for vacations spending my tourist dollars :P.
Journey wrapped it ALL up in a nutshell. Those complaining will still be here next year.
Thia
How cute your entry was! At last, a smart, funny honest and open minded Las Vegan. Lots of luck to you ...
First when debating....When someone says something you don't like on here, debate them with the facts of your beliefs and opinions. I see many "men" (on here) attacking what may appear as "women" (on here) based on their gender instead of the facts.
Some "men" think saying "go back to the kitchen where you belong", or "someone forgot to take their estrogen today" make for good debate. These sexist comments only degrade the majority of the male posters on here and just shows your insecurity and immaturity.
Usually one doesn't see women say, "I bet you are 350 pounds and think you look good in a Speedo." I bet your beer gutt is bigger that grandma's sofa.".....If a female says something like that it is generally instigated by a sexist comment by a male. It's actually comical to see men that put women down are nothing to look at themselves---basically legends in their own mind.....
@RPJ..
If I could "just leave" I would. Unfortunately I'm lucky and employed in a good non-gaming job. I am applying elsewhere but I can't "just leave". That would be impossible for the majority, unless your unemployed and have family elsewhere willing to take you in. Also, Vegas did ruin them. They weren't expecting a city with no community, no culture, and no sence of being. Once again look at all the transient renters. You will never find that in another city of this size.
What has ruined Vegas in the last 30 years is corporate greed....The mob did run it better than the corporate egotists of today. They are the worst cut throats ever seen, and now they are getting their just desserts....So sad to see hard working people suffer with the mess they have created...
Look at the president of Hard Rock---committed suicide. For what? Screwed too many people over? Going to lose his job and not be accustomed to his lavish life style he was living??? More and more of this is happening. You'll see it even more in Vegas.
Another thing that has hurt Vegas is the arrogance that runs amuck...It's funny to see valet parkers that could make 100,000 a year at the good hotels strut around thinking they are all that and a bag of chips and with no education to boot. Just all these over inflated egos in Vegas is what has destroyed it.
Firemen making $200,000 a year with only a GED requirement. sure others have some wschooling--but it is not required...They strut around like all that as well....
Too many fat cats and not enough money any more to support their outrageous slaries....
Oh, "blondie," it's your truth dear, not mine.
Some of us enjoy living in a place where the individual makes or breaks themselves, where what "counts" is freedom -- including the freedom to fail or succeed rather than fulfill a mandated expectation.
I am born and bred, and my hard-earned education in public schools and UNLV has allowed me to own and operate several businesses, gainfully employee many people with great wages and benefits, and enjoy the freedom to live and die and succeed or fail without the interference of social meddlists like those in California (which I find a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there ... So I don't!).
Sadly, complaining transplants like yourself are the main source of dissatisfaction for those of us who like Las Vegas. Rather than justify to you why I like Las Vegas, it would seem that someone who is still here and hates it, like yourself, needs to justify that lack of action to themselves. Of course, being a California apologist, you are bred to think that society "owes" you something, and you have no idea how to make things better for yourself. I find the fact that Las Vegas makes people like you so terribly uncomfortable to be one of the reasons that the city is such a philosophical match for individualists like myself.
Las Vegas will be a better place when it is rid of all the angry, negative complainers like you. And that is the truth, too -- cute or not.
@Brian_D:
That is just a litany of excuses. You can leave anytime you want, but you won't ... Because of what? Money.
Again, let me make the point that people came here chasing easy money and placing expectations on the city to be just like where they left. Please.
Las Vegas is what it is; if it "ruins" people, they were destined to ruin to begin with. If I were you, I would leave regardless of "money." But I'm not you; money isn't everything to me and I wouldn't compromise my soul to stay somewhere that I thought was eating me alive. That is a problem of yours, not Las Vegas.
Las Vegas will be better when half the people leave.You have people being shot each day,to many crack and meth heads,people without green cards taking jobs,you have no factorys to employ people and the list goes on.Las Vegas is the last state that will recover from the mess we are in.You must try other states and countrys.I do hear China is building alot of homes an factorys. LOL
"You think because you were here before the boom, you are better than those of us that came recently. In fact it was you that took advantage of us." As a fourth generation Las Vegan, I LOVE this comment! Yeah, we MADE you move here, we MADE you buy an overpriced home, we MADE you take a consumer dependent job...oh, heck, I can't write anymore when I am laughing so hard!!!!
Blondie
Anytime and thank you, take a deep breath and try not let the ill mannered drag you down to their level, they are not worth it.
One sad fact about Las Vegas is due to the type of tourism found here it attracts some of the worst of society. Too many live by "treat every woman lady or whore as if she were a whore." It can be easy to live down to expectations. Quite the opposite of what we taught our sons, which was regardless of background, or job treat every woman or girl as if she were a lady (not allowing yourself to be a doormat) and she learn to live up to the standard you set for her. Do to the transient nature of this city most see woman as disposable and expect either a woman to stay in her place or be decorative only.
THERE ARE GOOD PEOPLE HERE I PROMISE they are just not always easy to find, keep your head up stay true to who you are and reminded yourself this too shall pass.
Brian D
Like you I would leave if I found a job to go to, for now I make the best I can out of a less than ideal situation. At least I can pay my bills and get by which is more than many out there. I count my blessings knowing this will not last forever. It seems to me unless you are deeply religious it is hard here to find any sense of community. In my new area it is better than before, I talk to my neighbors and we all keep an eye on each other's homes nice pocket of decent individuals.
I also agree with some earlier post, the only way to have better government representation and better neighborhoods is to be involved, we vote them in office, we live here it is a choice do nothing but complain or be a part of change. Good night you all I have family to spend the rest of my evening with take care of yourselves and try to treat each other like you would like to be treated hmmm?
p.s. all those whining about lack of community, try getting out there and creating some! Volunteer at Three Square or Catholic Charities! Introduce yourself to your elderly neighbor and assist them with their chores! Take a broom out front and sweep your sidewalk AND your neighbors! Sit out on your porch and chat with those passing by! Join a vibrant church, synagogue, temple! Try joining a book club! There are thousands of ways to create community...sitting on the internet lamenting is NOT one of them.
I did all my working and saving in California, retired, and moved here last year. I owned a house a mile from the ocean but left it because California is not what it used to be anymore. For those guys that think California is the answer to all your problems, think again. Most cities in California are laying off people, workers taking pay cuts, and taxes are going through the roof. I have friends that can't wait to leave California and go some place else so before you move there, to please check it out first before you pack.
We recently left Las Vegas after almost 4 years. Did we like it there, hell yes we did! I loved my neighbors, and we still do. I made more money in Vegas then anywhere I ever lived. We loved our house, our friends, the nightlife, and the weather. But the facts are this:
Within the last year or so, crime in Las Vegas is out of control. My husband got laid off from the union, and became #335 on a list of about 800 guys sitting on the union bench. Our house value plummetted over 50% of what we paid for it, and the last straw was no local mortgage company or realtors wanted to work with us to either refi or short sale. The casinos all but shut down their customer service, and anyone that can find a decent meal after 2 am, your living in the past. Most of the casinos restuarants are now Denny's. My town had turned into nothing more than a con-artists dream world, filled with drunks, drug addicts, panhandlers, pornstars, and criminals.
So for those of you who are telling people to "not let the door hit you in the a--" you need to remember that this might be you in a year or two. We were good neighbors, we worked hard, did everything right. You will be left with the undesirables who have no where to go, no job, no money, and are desperate.
Good luck, but my advice is to arm yourselves!
Too much sadness - need more gladness. Hey, trust that the sun will come up tomorrow and there are things besides money which bring happiness. In fact happiness does not come from money and it doesn't grow on trees. Now go someplace else and find a job. I will be following you out of town!
Rwal, you were here four years and this was "your town"? Funny! SUCKER! Vegas is always about The Game; you came looking for money and when it left (temporarily) you lost faith. Buh-bye!
Anyone who ignored 75 years of 4% annual home appreciation and bought a home at the market peak deserve what they got.
"We were good neighbors, we worked hard, did everything right. You will be left with the undesirables who have no where to go, no job, no money, and are desperate."
Dude, you left after FOUR YEARS. Some of us who are multiple generation natives have seen this before, and it will pass.
So, how DID that door feel as it hit your a** on the way out?
If you don't like crime and love nature, move to my home town of Evanston Wy. Only 18 black people live there, and they're pretty nice folks. (we know them by name, lol) Years go by without any murders or rapes. Go figure.
Welcome GemsofNirvana, Vegas is what you make of it.
I've lived here for 9 years and still consider it one of the best decisions I've ever made. Is Vegas perfect, far from it but where is?
Working in a casino I've met people from all over the country and the stories I hear from around the country are very similar to what is happening here... high unemployment, rising crime, and unhappiness with what's going on.
We need fresh faces and fresh attitudes, a lot of people have taken a beating in this recession and justifiably blame Vegas but there are still a lot of us that love this town and welcome people willing to take a chance on what we view as a unique and great place to live.
My only advice is research neighborhoods to live in and if you can afford it try to find a private school. Unlike most cities with distinct good and bad sections Vegas is much more of a checkerboard with good, bad, and so so neighborhoods all within blocks of each other. There are fantastic neighborhoods within Vegas, you just need to find them.
Thom Reilly on the payroll of Harrahs...wow what NOT a surprise that one is. Right next to former LV Mayor Jan Jones. Harrahs the -Billion Dollar in the hole operation- Clark County can't say no to.
The unemployment rate here is more like 20% so i expect these people to be going back where they came from soon.
Anyone looking for community living is dilusional.Garage door up and garage door down thats about community.No place to raise children and its for retired people who gamble and have no family.This is vegas!All houses should look like a suit case as its anything but stable.Never was a stable town one way or the other.Schools stink...medical care stinks..houses built like crap...in fact if you stay long enough you might become color blind. Glad to of left that hell hole!
With more casinos being built around the country and just as nice if not better than Vegas...why go to Vegas?Sorry folks as one casino after the other takes your money and is gone then what? Doubt if Wal Mart will be your saving grace.Anyone who stays either cant leave or just dont care.The weather is hot ..dry..dusty..dirty and just as the mormons wrote about Vegas years ago.."ITS NO PLACE FOR HUMANS"!Skin cancer awaits all you sun lovers as it leads the nation in that also.Admit it..all are gambling fanatics as thats the main topic of conversation.PATHETIC!
By LT2LV
"The grass is always greener where the dogs are sh***ng.
-"Outshined" by Soundgarden"
Not too many posts on this site that made me laugh so hard. It really doesn't need a long winding explanation to sum it up.
Blah Blah Blah.... Its a wonder how most roads go two ways.. So why complain about it and just go in the opposite direction that brought you here....Those that complain of this town sucking are the ones that make it that way...No one is keeping you here except yourself,, so why should we have to listen to your crappy stories of your life here... You make it what it is ,, nothing for nothing,, so get in your vehicles and get the f--k out of here,, especially you blondie,, go back to wherever you came from since it so great you had to leave it in the first place....STFU already...............
Wow, the truth really hit a nerve amongst the Las Vegans.
By the way, everyone on Lv is from somewhere else. So cut the crap about being natives of Vegas.
@nez212 who said ""FORIGNERS"(sic) = Any one not born in Nevada i.e.California, not York, Oregon or not Mexico for example. But you can include the criminal invaders if you wish.
You must be a very special "native" Nevadan. Where's "York?"
Las Vegas is morally bankrupt. It's major industry is built on the premise of fleecing it's customers.
Not a formula for long term success.
Obama's plan for Las Vegas ---- there won't be any money left to spend on gambling. Why? --- because it is all going to Washington.
Living in Las Vegas is a choice and the ones that planned and can adapt will survive and enjoy the pleasures here. Those that were here during the good old days but did not save for the rainy day, will continue to whine and will continue to blame everbody but themselves. My suggestion is, if you are not happy here, leave and go to that place where you think can cure all your problems and make you enjoy life.
I too moved here from California about 20 years ago. It's an adjustment for sure. The desert has it's own beauty that some people are blind to. The cactus, coyotes, desert, rocks, the mountains, the valley, Lake Mead, Lake Mojave, Red Rock. You've got hiking, water skiing, boating, snow skiing, you've Zion nearby, dirt biking. I love it here!
Sure government needs work, but I wouldn't trade for Barbara Boxer either. Schools aren't great, but there are alternative options and private schools here for those that don't trust the public school system.
The fact that someone feels they were 'conned' into moving to a place they hate and buying a house they don't want says more about them than it does about the people here.
I have fabulous neighbors, awesome co-workers, and beautiful surroundings.
I'm pretty sure all big cities have high crime rates.
One more thing,
I'm extremely proud to live in a city where a valet parker can earn $100,000 per year! I think that is incredibly AWESOME! God forbid we should allow someone without a degree to earn a great living! The nerve of a valet parker to walk around proud!
LOL
Hey Las Vegas Sun! I got an idea , just post the stories and don't allow for comment anymore because it has turned into a chat site for people to just insult each other instead of focusing on the issues, the stories are great and they get people to respond but then it gets ugly and totally away from the subject at hand.
The problems facing Vegas are no different than other cities in the country. I am from Michigan, and I love Vegas. I have family out there and I've been able to spend time in Vegas, not as a typical tourist, but as someone who wanted to get a sense on what it would be like to live there. I've been to various neighborhoods, malls and parks and even took in a summer concert at Lake Las Vegas. And believe it or not, the people I met were very friendly.
For you people who live there and are gainfully employed, consider yourself lucky!
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AKsilvereagle:
Don't quit your day job to be a comedian. Not so funny, fool.
People are expressing their distaste for this hellhole and must rot here until Nevada's lower than the lowest economy gets better ...
until then, we remain prisoners. Not laughing one little bit.
Well i have read several comments and i must say i agree and disagree with many of these statements, however being a resident of Vegas for 14yrs i think the negatives out weigh the positives in this economy.For years this city provided great opportunity for those seeking employment and business opportunity " the upside"..The "Downside" if you have been mostly an employee in a "right to work state" like Nevada, it is very easy to be terminated from an employer for no reason, employees have no rights when it comes to jobs, you can be terminated at the employers will at anytime for any reason. This was easily overcome in the past due to a thriving economy, in other words, you could go down the street and get another job. Unfortunatly in this economy employers have exploited this option, several companys in the valley have hired guest card workers from other countrys to take our Jobs. For Example the limousine business.. "now 80% guest card workers as opposed to only about 3% guest card workers 5yrs ago...Its a dirty lil secret you really dont hear much about in vegas. Ironically enough the pay comission in that business went fron an industry standard of 35% down to 11% to 15%. so in my opinion the corporate take over in this town has really hurt working people and all the people working in service industry know what i am talking about. Even when vegas does recover the average worker in this town will never make nearly the money they used to make.. The days for the average working person making a good solid middle class living are over, people will just get by.. and thats not enough to keep me in the valley, I am not a slave and will not be treated as such. Great job corporate america, keep the profits big and the people starving..!!!
I have some excellent professional opportunities to move elsewhere. When I look at my situation dispassionately, I probably should move. But I don't really want to. My family likes living here, and so do I.
I've lived in the greatest cities in America and can say from experience that the opportunity to do what you want to and be what you want to be is far more readily available here than just about anywhere else.
The only thing I wished that could be changed about Vegas would be how so many people that live nice lives here refuse to buy in to the city. People bemoan the lack of culture, etc. but do absolutely nothing about it. People complain about lack of community, commenting on it on message boards from computers in their lonely homes.
The survey's numbers back up that there are a lot of people with a sense of loathing for Vegas living here and I don't know why other than the fact that they're generally miserable people. To them, I say do something about it. Volunteer for a local charity. Go to First Friday next week and talk to some artists. Maybe buy something. Start your own business. Whatever. Just do something to make the city you live in a place you want to call home.
The city isn't perfect, but there are things you can do to help make Vegas better. I do what I can to make that happen for me, my family and my community. It doesn't take a lot, but even a little bit of effort makes a big difference.
The unemployment system is being milked to replace higher paying workers with lower.
The system relies on the employer to verify they terminated an employee for just cause and thus they should not receive unemployment. These days they tell unemployment they laid off someone and it was no fault of the employee, thus they get unemployment rubber stamped. The employer then hires someone for less.
So basically you have taxpayers paying so certain employers can hire cheaper employees. Just another play on the whole milk the taxpayer and transfer wealth from the Middle Class to the Elite.
The comments provided above have all been interesting to read. However, if people think there is a perfect place to live, or Utopia, then they are extremely short-sighted. As someone that has lived and traveled in all parts of the U.S., each place has its good and bad points. Home is what you make of it. It is solely up to you if you want it to be good or bad. Many people came to Las Vegas for opportunity. Unfortunately right now due to the economy for a lot of people there is not a lot of opportunity unless you create it yourself. Stop blaming others, roll up your sleeves, and change your frame of mind. Hard work and persistence pays off in the long run. It is up to you if you are a quiter. I get sick and tired of seeing people trying to take short-cuts to reach success. For most people, success takes time and much effort. There will always be people that will be more fortunate or less fortunate than you. From my time in Las Vegas, I find too many people are concerned about image and keeping up with the Jones' rather than pursuing true happiness. The grass is not always greener somewhere else. Empower yourself to make the grass greener here.
"Empower yourself to make the grass greener here. Stop blaming others, roll up your sleeves, and change your frame of mind." Excellent advice!
Getting a decent education is a good place to start. Make yourself employable in more than one field. If you think there are shortcuts to long term success, you are delusional.
asleepatdawheel
Ah, yes, you are a perfect example of an illiterate, angry, dirty mouthed desert denizen. That's what keeps Las Vegas in the dark ages - men like you. Shouldn't even waste our time acknowledging anything that you spew out, so jump into your wheels and take a nap.
The reccession is over didn't anybody hear.
Go, leave, get the +#$% out....Bye bye :)
MCWRob
I wholeheartily agree with your post. For some reason many people that move to Las Vegas still hold on to the place they left instead of truly embracing their new home and trying to contribute to make it better. I say to them, if you think Las Vegas stinks, what specifically are you doing to make it better? A good community takes everyone contributing in some way or another - large or small. If you have done nothing to contribute then your words ring hollow.
I leave you all with this great piece of advice someone gave to me long ago. "If God wanted us to look backwards, he would have put eyes in the back of our heads. There is a reason why our eyes are located where they are on our face... to look forward."
The entire country is suffering due to the recession, it is not just LV.
Having been here since 87,It's really sad to see this city slowly morphing into a glorified border town.
Oregon seems to be doing better and it has a progressive state income tax and NO Sales Tax. Nike and Intel are big there.
Likewise, Washington has No income tax, but higher business taxes. Boeing and Microsoft too !
So low taxes like NV aren't the only attraction.
Hey, Journey, maybe I do!! :)> If you see some blonde lady out sweeping your walk, that's me! C'mon on out and say "Hey!" and we share a glass of something!
And the midwest has barrels full of uranium waiting for a home, 30,000 years of steady employment !
i would if wasn't married to a local girl.all family are here. she was born and raise here. if i was single i would have left
Great discussion.
You all made me laugh, and made me angry, made me happy and made me sad.
Las Vegas, what a great place with great people.
Lots of sunshine, rocks, sand, dust and opportunity.
I love Las Vegas.
Sorry - but most neighbors are scooting into their houses before you can even say hi to them.
Absolutely right that higher paid jobs have gone away to be replaced with lower paid employees.
When was the last time that anyone saw Harrahs, MGM or Wynn sponsor something for locals that was not on the Strip?
When the issue of pro sports coming to Las Vegas comes up, the comment is not about people locally who would not support it. It is the fact that the biggest companies in town wont support it.
I would love to stay in town. But, when elected officials cant wrap their arms around big issues and put band aids on them every time - nothing gets fixed. Be it State, County or Las Vegas.
We are all to blame for this....
I have to agree with earlier posters that if you are not happy living in Las Vegas do something about it. Either move or contribute to your city.
This is sad, our state will recover someday though...
- Mark Szczygiel
For the people saying Las Vegas isn't a place to raise kids..well there are thousands of kids here in the valley that can prove you wrong. Annoys me when people use that excuse.
This one is a vicious economic cycle - one which is out of control. The people at the top was busy socializing and miss to recognize the risks that led to this conditions. Also, there were too much freedom given to the private institutions usurping and taking advantage of the illiterate portion of the public.
Coming from the burbs of Chicago where parks and local quaint shopping centers make up a suburb is what makes a community.
Summerlin & Henderson are the closest you'll find it in Las Vegas. City Leaders should be focusing on developments such as making sure Summerlin Centre is built instead of pouring millions into the cesspool they call downtown... where nobody but the bums that live in the area go and tourists looking for cheap deals.
Strip malls and Big Box stores don't build a community... parks and local shops do.
If Summerlin or Green Valley Ranch did not exist.. I would have moved out of here long, long ago.
Geez... I just went through and read some of the pathetic comments on here...
There are far more cities doing FAR worse then Las Vegas. Take away the Federal Funding - 100s of Billions of Dollars to California alone -- and cities in areas such as California would be rioting right now.
For those of you so down -- blaming everybody else for your pathetic misery -- MOVE OUT NOW.
Communities are defined by the people -- and some of the junk I've read in the comments gives a good explanation of the survey results.
ANYBODY complaining about how Bad it is in Las Vegas needs to do some research on how MUCH more BAILOUT and STIMULUS money is going to other cities / states to keep them going. CUT IT OFF and you'll see that LAS VEGAS is in FAR BETTER SHAPE then the majority of cities in the United States.
For those of you so Miserable... MAKE YOUR LIFE a little better by smiling and saying Hi next time you are out and about in Las Vegas. That will be a good start to improving YOUR life... and your Community.
I am always amazed at how people react when you smile at them.
And, if you say, Good morning, or Good afternoon, they are really surprised.
Come on, try it. It's not hard. Just show a little bit of kindness to everyone you see today.
The cat box is full. Please empty it, and flush the toilet on your way out.
suebee
really hate it when people write in with cryptic messages. Not interesting, not humorous. Just a waste of time!
Lastly, you must believe us when those of us disillusioned and disappointed in Las Vegas say that we would be out of here in a heartbeat IF we could get back the money we invested in a home in good faith - if we could find a buyer that would at least cover our investment (even though we would make little or no profit after years of work). Just braying "get out" is yet another reason that this town is good for nuttin' but making rich investors even richer. Wake up, Las Vegans, and take back your home state. Make the casinos pay; make the mining companies pay; force the firefighters and educators to take equal pay for equal work; and get the corrupt politicos out. Thank Senator Reid for his loyalty, and take care of your own.
Blondie. I was born and raised in Las Vegas, lived there 52 years. The best memory I have is looking in the rear view mirror while heading north on US 95 just past Mt Charleston turnoff. Visited there twice, couldn't wait to leave. The traffic sucks, everything is overpriced, and over rated, crime is unbelievable, elected politicians are the worst, Lake Mead is a cesspool. I moved 7 years ago, have never regretted the change. Oregon is the place to be.
Suebee:
how refreshingly honest from a former Las Vegan citizen. Best of luck in gorgeous, green Oregon ... or weather perfect, happy California ... or serene Arizona - or any place other than this sorry state of Nevada. Building an economy on the losses and potential financial ruin of average Americans, while offering only decadent FUN! FUN! FUN! in return will never be an enviable way of life. Yes, there are problems in all states; but not nearly as bad as in Nevada. Ah, well, if Yucca Mountain prevails ... it won't matter much anyway.
when you had local planning commissions comprised mostly of folks doing business with developers, who were appointed by our elected officials who received campaign contributions from those developers, and a controlling newspaper that profited greatly from developer advertising, there was not much in the way of irresponsible building without appropriate infrastructure required to be in place first. How many dead on blue diamond hwy adjacent to Mountain's Edge due to insufficient roads and traffic controls? How many promised parks never to be built? How small could the residential lots become in Summerlin through master plan modifications before folks stopped buying? And of the areas outside master planned communities, other than Brown's efforts in the Northwest, there are very few local community parks relative to the concentrations of homes that were allowed to be built. Going forward Chris G says that things will be different, but it appears that the bloom is off the rose.
i am not sure about the claims of las vegas and sense of community.
it has for a long time been a gambling resort town.
the major high rises have been there for how many years now?? 15 to 20??
convention after convention...it money making core seems transient. or maybe used to.
do many of the neighborhoods have a ymca?? garden clubs?? dog parks?? apartment complexes have pools and fitness centers to meet and mingle??
what is a lack of community then??
Gemsof,
I don't know if you will read this. I moved here from Wisconsin 16 years ago. My wife was dragged out here yelling and screaming. After she was here a year you could not get her to move back to Wisconsin. I agree with others who say if you don't like it here move somewhere else. We love it here and you make your life. Jobs are bad everywhere not just here. We do need transplants that come here with their eyes wide open. By the way I highly recommend Henderson as a great place to live. Great community and very well run. Good luck to you and welcome.
I find it difficult to believe that the Sun would publish this sort of thing with a straight face. You utterly misrepresent what was found.
The finding was that 40% of the respondents would live something else if there were no constraints. I find it amazing it was not 80%.
If cost was no object I would live in Newport Beach...on the strand. Or Papeete. or the gold coast in Australia. There have to be a few hundred places better than Las Vegas if cost is not a constraint.
So why on earth would you suggest anyone actually wants to leave with such a criteria?
You folks have apparently forgotten about basic journalism. The head should have some connection to the meat...
@ olecapt,
Very well stated... I actually went through and read the actual study / survey results after reading your comment.
The Specific Statement of the Survey: When asked if they could live anywhere they want, 40% of Las Vegas residents would leave Nevada altogether. (page 28)
I could name several cities where the results to that question would easily be in the 90%+ range.
The title to the Sun Article is entirely MISLEADING to what was actually asked.
Good Catch OleCapt...
I am coming to Vegas this Tues (5/18)from the Chicago area. I am selling my paid off home in Chicago because I pay nearly $800 in property taxes monthly!! I will be meeting with a Realtor to search for a home to buy. Just to play it safe, I will probably rent for 6 months before purchasing anything. I have been told to search the Green Valley area of Henderson. I have a 19 year old who will be attending college and I don't need to work. I am looking for 3 bedrooms a nice pool, jacuzzi and fireplace in a decent area. Any advice would be appreciated.
I agree with the person who suggested that if you poll any city across these United States, we would find that the results would be similar. Of course I have loved vacationing in Vegas in the past, however, I realize that "vacationing" and "residing" are very different animals. I don't expect my every day life to include brunching at The Bellagio viewing the fountains; but hey, it sure is nice that it's an option.