A close race between two unpopular picks
Friday, June 25, 2010 | 2 a.m.
Harry Reid is alive, one in an occasional series:
Two polls out Thursday compellingly make the case that Sharron Angle is in serious trouble in the U.S. Senate race while simultaneously arguing that the majority leader is in massive jeopardy. Instead of being contradictory, though, the results perfectly frame the Nevada U.S. Senate race, reflecting exactly what conventional wisdom (that is the omniscience we pundits possess until we are proven wrong, which hardly ever happens) has told us.
The two polls were conducted by Rasmussen Reports in Nevada and NBC and The Wall Street Journal in the U.S. The NBC/WSJ survey is considered a national bellwether while Rasmussen, despite successes in many states, has been a constant source of controversy because it is automated and, some left-leaners suggest, biased toward Republicans. (Polling expert Nate Silver of fivethirtyeight.com recently ranked the NBC/WSJ polls near the top and the RR surveys in the middle of the pack.)
The Rasmussen poll released Thursday found Angle leading Reid by 48-41, down from 50-39 in a survey by the same firm right after the primary. The poll of 500 likely voters taken this week (margin of error of 4.5 percent) would seem to indicate Angle is holding her own despite a pummeling on television and in the media. And a majority of Nevadans (53 percent) favor repealing health care reform, one of Reid’s signature achievements. That’s the good news for Angle.
But, as the Rasmussen write-up reports, it appears Angle’s bounce is over. And even more ominous for her, her unfavorable rating (47 percent) is nearly identical to Reid’s (49 percent). The ineluctable fact that more Nevadans feel “very unfavorably” about Reid (43 percent) than about Angle (33 percent) is the difference in the race.
I actually believe, based on other data I have heard about, that the race may be even closer than Rasmussen showed. And national pundit Stu Rothenberg, who recently wrote that Reid is still more likely to lose than not, has moved the contest into his “toss up/tilt Republican” category.
As Rasmussen wrote, “Despite voter unhappiness with Reid’s legislative activity, however, it is perhaps cause for concern for Republicans that Angle is already nearly as unpopular as the incumbent.”
The national survey also shined some light on the candidates and their vulnerabilities — if not directly, by extension. The poll was conducted last week and over the weekend by the firms of Bill McInturff, a Republican, and Peter Hart, a Democrat, of 1,000 Americans (margin of error 3.1 percent).
Reid’s campaign against Angle’s position on Social Security — and the subtext that her positions reveal her to be extreme — is validated by one part of the poll. Voters were asked to rate their enthusiasm about certain candidate attributes, and two that were measured, which are at the heart of Angle’s record, are extraordinarily toxic.
When asked how they felt about a candidate who “supports phasing out Social Security and instead supports allowing workers to invest their Social Security contributions in the stock market,” only 24 percent said they were enthusiastic or comfortable while 66 percent said they were not. Almost identical results (25/67) were discovered when voters were asked if they support “abolishing some federal agencies, including the Department of Education.” Those numbers have to thrill the Reidites.
In the NBC/WSJ poll, the only other issue close to as negative a candidate attribute for voters (23/62) was someone who “supported the economic policies of George W. Bush,” so the 43rd president still can be used as an effective club.
Those numbers certainly show a path to victory for Reid. But the poll also showed it could be paved with destructive potholes. The negativity of the public toward the president and especially Congress is apparent.
Of those surveyed, 62 percent said the country is going in the wrong direction — and polls conducted here show a significantly higher number. Barack Obama’s disapproval rating (48 percent) is now higher than his approval (45 percent), so you will hear a lot more about Obama and Reid, with Speaker Nancy Pelosi thrown in for good measure. And why not? Congress is at 73 percent disapproval among the electorate, and last I looked, Reid was a congressional leader.
So these polls neatly frame the contest: If the election is about Reid the congressional leader who helped pass health care reform, presided over the failing economy and rubber-stamped the president’s agenda, Angle likely will win. If the election is about Angle and her manifestly unpopular positions, the majority leader will be re-elected.
Either way, all other things being equal (and they rarely are in campaigns), it should be close.
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Here's a question the media don't seem to be interested in asking:
With record unemployment of American citizens and hordes of illegal aliens invading our country, do you think Congress should use public tax money to pay for jobs for illegal aliens or for American citizens?
Angle's policy: hire American citizens
Reid's policy: hire illegal aliens
In February, 2009, the House passed an amendment that required all of the $800 billions of federal stimulus money (i. e. American taxpayers' hard-earned dollars) to be spent on contracts with companies that use E-verify, to ensure that all those $$$$ would go to American citizens.
What did the Majority Leader of the Senate do? He ignored the wishes of the American people, as expressed through their elected representatives by an overwhelming 407 to 2 vote, and BLOCKED all attempts to have a vote on a similar amendment in the Senate.
Result: an estimated 300,000 illegal workers got construction jobs instead of American citizens.
You can thank Harry Reid in November by remembering these numbers: 407 to 2.
While some of Sharron Angle's views and opinions are extreme, I doubt she would have much influence in Congress. In her favor, is her stand on illegal immigration. Democrats are calling for immigration "reform" which is just another word for "anmesty." We don't need reform. Why not just enforce our current laws? For that reason, she will likely get my vote.
I don't place too much emphasis on polls.
Because I never participate in them. And I know a lot of voters in Nevada don't believe in them neither.
Because we are the most powerful group of voters out there. We are collectively known as The Silent Majority.
We just go about our business day to day, keep our opinions to ourself and, when election day happens, we show up and vote.
Because we all know that WE have the power in Nevada to decide who represents us. And we don't need a poll to figure it out who will represent us in the halls of power in Washington, DC.
My job is to drive the people who collect information for polls crazy.
I'm a voter in Nevada.
Hear me roar. Not before.
I think this information is very good news for the Reid camp. I think it shows the ads are working. As more people have greater exposure to her ideas regarding SS and her 2nd Amendment solution they will feel very uncomfortable with her.For her or her surrogates to just make broad attacking statements will not be enough because the positive Nevada ads will also showcase what Reid has brought to the State. I predict within 4 weeks the polls will show a toss -up and Angles unfavorable numbers will climb.
E-Verify doesn't work, Freddy. DHS commissioned an independent study of E-Verify, which concluded that "the database used for verification is still not sufficiently up to date to meet the requirements for accurate verification." The error rate was almost 10% for foreign-born U.S. citizens.
E-Verify's vulnerability to identity fraud is also problematic. A person using a valid Social Security card that doesn't belong to him would go undetected by the system. Mandating use of E-Verify could provide a nice boon to an already thriving document-fraud industry.
The media will be the key in this election, hopefully exposing Sharron Angle's dangerous positions. Anyone who wants to abolish Social Security and Medicare, and wants to allow nuclear waste to be trucked into Nevada from around the country, should have their head examined.
Harry Reid has worked very, very hard for the people of Nevada. Unfortunately, the media serve as megaphones for Republican propaganda against Reid, distorting his record.
An informed electorate is crucial to a well-functioning Democracy. Let's hope we can set aside our thirst for drama and controversies and look a little deeper at these two Senate candidates.
Jon Ralston opines:
"Either way, all other things being equal (and they rarely are in campaigns), it should be close."
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Maybe I'm being an optomistic Dem, but I don't think the outcome of this election between Angle and Reid will all that close. It won't be a resounding victory for Harry Reid like the one he enjoyed in 2004, but his win will be by more than a few percentage points, imo. Sharron has too much baggage out there with regard to her ideology and she doesn't have the requisite charm or charisma to make her extremist views palatable to anybody but the most faithful. Of course she will get the far right vote and the vote of people who are in the ANYBODY but Harry Reid frame of mind, but she will be hard put to find the majority she needs to beat him.
Harry Reid has driven this state into the ground with his arrogance and experimental policies. No way I'd ever vote for him. It's time for change this year.
If you have been watching Washington DC lately, it looks like the dems are grooming Chuck Shumer to be the Majority Leader whether Harry wins or loses. They don't want Harry either. So, Nevada won't have 'the majority leader' either way.
Harry Reid will need to resign soon so he can start serving his prison sentence.
The last three posts here are basically what this whole thing is about.
They all profess that Harry Reid should lose.
But they don't profess who should replace him.
Just Harry Reid needs to lose.
Period.
So, therefore, the only alternative to Harry Reid is to vote in a nutball who thinks Social Security is "welfare" and firmly thinks violent "Second Amendment remedies" is a valid alternative to win the nomination. A Republican nominee who hides from the press. And also a Republican nominee who clearly shows she is totally uncomfortable talking to any press.
Are you kidding me? This is rational thought?
It's pretty much like the example that parents don't want to ask the regular babysitter, so they take a chance and ask Dracula if he would kindly babysit the kids tonight. Really dumb.
The rhetoric just astounds me. I'm starting to feel that because I'm not wearing a pointy aluminum foil beany cap, I'm like the odd man out or something.
It's interesting that 300,000 illegals got construction jobs because there was no E-Verify? Wait, there have been 300,000 new construction jobs? So 300,000 people that were unemployed are now working in construction? And how many illegals got jobs in other industries, like hospitality and landscaping and manufacturing? And here I thought Obama was bring this country down?
Seriously guys, no one in their right mind seriously believes that 300,000 illegals got jobs in construction alone since the Stimulus Bill was enacted. There probably haven't been 300,000 new jobs in construction total in that 15 month period. If your going to make s$%t up, at least make it plausible. And please don't cite me to some right wing rag.
The one thing we learn from history is we learn nothing from history. Harry is in exactly the same place has he was in prior election cycles, there's just way more media focused on it. He always wins by the skin on his teeth and the tea party folks have handed him his dream candidate. He'll win again and it will be by the same razor thin margin and everyone on the right will have someone to bitch about for the next 6 years. Just be thankful you'll only get one Reid.
Reid is so popular that his own son (Rory) dropped the last name from his campaign.. November is nearing as is Harry's retirement party. I only hope Obama campaigns for him the night before the election. That is a guaranteed loss for Reid and Obama's record will be 0 - 5!
Has everybody forgot that she a a 100% paid state retirement. As a school teacher her retirement is paid. Second she never paid a dime in Social Security while she was working. Same goes for her husband which is govt retirement. If she would be willing to give up her and husband retirement and live on a 401 like most people and give up her govt paid health insurance and buy her own insurance then I might consider. But it appears to me her chain of thought is she has got hers screw the rest. I want less govt so long as it does not effect me.
"The last three posts here are basically what this whole thing is about.
They all profess that Harry Reid should lose.
But they don't profess who should replace him.
Just Harry Reid needs to lose.
Period."
Surely you've seen the signs - "ANYONE BUTT REID"
sharron NUT JOB angle won't talk to the media...
johhny boy slept with his best friend's wife then ran to mommy and daddy to fix his boo boo ensign won't talk to the media...
what the hell is it with these republican maggots...
figmo, and just where do you think Harrys paycheck and retirement are coming from?
"sharron NUT JOB angle won't talk to the media...
johhny boy slept with his best friend's wife then ran to mommy and daddy to fix his boo boo ensign won't talk to the media...
what the hell is it with these republican maggots..."
Yeah - and now we can add Al Gore to that list. No, wait, he's not a Republican. I know! He must be a secret Republican - cause the liberals are without fault. More Kool-aid please.
I see Reid's trolls are out trying to vilify Angle with their infamous name calling.
Reid has vilified himself by going against voters in our state and forcing Obamacare on us; Reid pushing amnesty; Reid announced he is going to try to force cap and trade on us before the August recess. We'll lose more jobs and gas prices will dramatically go up. REID HAS FORGOTTEN WHY HE WAS SENT TO WASHINGTON. REID IS WASHINGTONO CORRUPTION.
IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE. VOTE FOR ANGLE!
I saw the following written elsewhere and think it makes an excellent argument!
"I love it when Senator Reid says he and his fellow members of Congress inherited these problems. What has Mr. Reid been doing for the 20 plus years he been in the Senate, sleeping? He helped cause these problems - he did not do his job - he lined his pocket and it is time to go! We need to STOP career politicians and establish term limits!"
@ hss46 re: Freddyr comment
Job creation has no bearing on what he said. He is correct (no clue about the number part, but the gist is right). For example, if 10 citizens are working at McDonalds, get fired/laid off, and are replaced with 10 illegals, no new jobs have been created. But 10 citizens are out of work.
View the videos on MYFOXPHOENIX.COM about the recent raid in Arizona. View the short one (left side video below screen) and note the upset wife. Note they have 6, yes SIX, small children. View the other video, where a legal employee is interviewed (hispanic) and says this (raid) shouldn't be done, sending these unfortunate souls back to Mexico is wrong.
Let's see, how much does it cost to have and raise SIX small children? So this illegal was supporting a family of 8 (and of course being the kind of person everyone wants in this country, just hardworking, doing nothing else illegal for income, not using resources intended for citizens, etc).
They only take jobs citizens won't take, right?
Jobs that support a family of 8 that no one in their right mind would want.
Of course, maybe the wife works. She looks like she could cover the cost.
As far as choosing Reid or Angle, I'm not in NV, so I won't have a say. But here's how an 'outsider' sees it. Undertand I can only base my thoughts on what I see, read, etc.
I have watched the video of 'Face to Face' May 19. I see nothing wrong with what she said about SS. It's not working, and is beyond being fixed, and she stated how she feels with an opinion to put something else out there.
People are now living longer, and the longest running ponzi scheme is at it's end.
I see and hear the word 'abolish' associated a lot with her view on SS, yet have never heard her say it. Nor seen her write it. Yet media has used it. I guess I have one question then for the media, EXACTLY where/when did she say ABOLISH? No, media, I don't want your 'opinion' that that is what she said, I want FACT she said exactly that, after all, that is what you reported.
I have also seen Reid's ads. Wow. Where are all the great things he has done while in office? Isn't that what a good candidate does, remind the people of all the benefits they have thanks to his leadership? I haven't seen those. Instead seems all he has to stand on in his campaign is condemning his opponent for something that was, in fact, never said? Using a few words he picked out of a statement she made yet leaving out the rest of the content to create an illussion? Those ads are there.
Maybe he should do as his son did (wonder why) and use only 'HARRY'. Then when NV does the right thing, they can go on the strip with their 'Harry & Rory' magic act. Well, come to think of it, maybe the strip wouldn't be the right environment for them. Change that to the Plaza or Vegas Club.
dave, thank you for that very insightful post. Once Harrys people said "abolish" thats what Harry supporters believed without any fact finding of their own. When Harry was just beginning he may have done good things for the people of Nevada, but after 20+ years, he is no longer interested in the little people, its all about power, money, Washington and democrats in charge hurrying to get their wish list complete before they lose that control,all the while, trying to make people think they are doing it for them.Time for new reps that will work for the people and listen to what they need.Maybe put us higher on the list nationally. Aren't you people tired of being last?yet spending the same,even more for it?
Harry Reid is the one in charge of taking the economy to the dumps. He will lose and lose big this November.