SUN EDITORIAL:
Angle: Just say no
Candidate adds to extreme views, says saving Nevadans’ jobs was wrong
Friday, July 9, 2010 | 2:01 a.m.
Last year, as workers closed in on finishing CityCenter, MGM Resorts International CEO Jim Murren said the massive project was on the verge of bankruptcy. That put tens of thousands of jobs in jeopardy and threatened an already stumbling local economy.
Murren was trying to get financing to push the project forward, but banks were resistant because of the tight credit market. So Murren went to Nevada’s congressional delegation for help, and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid made some calls, asking big banks to consider the project because bankruptcy would be catastrophic to the state’s economy. The banks, in turn, worked with CityCenter to provide funding, and the resort opened in December.
That’s impressive work for a senator, but not to Republican Sharron Angle, Reid’s challenger. During an interview Wednesday on a conservative talk radio show, a caller asked Angle about Reid and CityCenter. “Harry Reid brags all the time about the jobs he saved in CityCenter,” the caller said. “Would you have made that same call? Would you have saved CityCenter?”
“No, I would not,” Angle said. “You know the reason is because he may have saved jobs in
CityCenter, but he actually cost jobs in other parts of the city. And you know that as well as I do. The issue here becomes bailouts, right? And stimulus. We want something that is not going to bail out and stimulate, what we want is deregulate, lower taxes, give businesses some breathing room to do what they do best, which is create jobs ... What we really need is real jobs, permanent, full-time jobs with a future. And that can only be provided by the private sector; government does not provide jobs.”
Angle’s stunning statement shows how far out of touch she is with reality. MGM Resorts issued a statement calling Angle’s comments “ridiculous,” adding that Reid “saved not only 10,000 construction jobs and 12,000 permanent private-sector jobs at CityCenter but the jobs of 50,000 employees at our other resorts that would have been jeopardized had our company followed CityCenter into bankruptcy.”
But Angle’s comments are more than ridiculous, they are factually wrong. There was no stimulus or bailout. There were no jobs lost in other parts of the city because of Reid’s action. Government didn’t create any jobs, MGM Resorts — the state’s largest private employer — did, and the jobs are “real.”
But Angle says a senator’s role isn’t to create jobs and apparently doesn’t think a senator should help workers or businesses. Had she been in the Senate instead of Reid, tens of thousands of jobs would have been lost.
Angle just doesn’t get it. What Reid did was exactly what anyone should want a senator to do. He went to bat for a local business and for Nevada’s workers. Angle has shown a cold heart toward workers and their families, preferring instead to stick to her narrow anti-government ideology. For example, Angle this week criticized the White House for pushing BP to create a $20 billion escrow account as part of its response to the Gulf of Mexico oil spill. “Government shouldn’t be doing that to a private company,” she said, calling the account a “slush fund.”
Tell that to the Gulf Coast residents who have lost their livelihoods because of the spill. The fund, overseen by an independent administrator, will compensate them for their lost income.
Since she won the primary, Angle’s handlers in Washington have tried to keep the candidate hidden and tried to make her views appear less radical. They have also tried desperately to blunt the damage as her views come to light. On Thursday, Angle issued a statement about her BP comment, saying there had been “confusion” over her position, adding that her use of the term “slush fund” was “incorrect.”
There has been no confusion. She said what she meant: The government was wrong to help victims of BP’s oil spill — just like she believes Reid was wrong to help tens of thousands of Las Vegans keep their jobs. Those go along with all of her other extreme comments, like equating Social Security with “welfare” or saying that unemployment has “spoiled” people.
There is no hiding that Angle, despite efforts to gloss over her comments, has been very clear. And the scary part is that she believes what she says.
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Please keep this woman and her wacko supporters out west. Better yet ship he off to Texas to GWB ranch. She is more than out of touch she sounds like she wants to be a dictator. Buy her a ticket to the bridge to no where and she can meet Paulin on the other side lol. I am more amazed each time she opens her mouth that what comes out is more stupid than what she said previous. You can not fix stupid!!!
Sharron Angle's civil rights should be suspended by emergency order and her DNA should be forcefully obtained to compare with Sarah Palin. There is no way there are two women in America this stupid. Hell, there aren't even two women this stupid in the local Nevada lock up ward in a mental health care facility. I think they are the same person and I demand that testing began immediately!
one thing is clear boys and girls...
sharron psycho smiler angle does not always have the best interests of americans in mind...
and she clearly could care less about las vegas...
she would rather have city center boarded up...
she wants to open yucca...
psycho sharron is bad for las vegas...
period...
end of story...
Sharon Angle will you sign a law that states that any law Congress passes will apply equally to congressional and government members as well as the general public sector?
Will you pledge to give up the congressional health/life insurance plans for life and sign for a public,private health plan like the majority of the people?
Ms Angle, since you you have stated that Social Security is a form of welfare, will you give up your life time retirement salary and benefits from Nevada and Congress should you win election as a U.S. Senator?
I have asked Harry Reid the same questions but got no answer. What is your answer? My vote depends on your answers...please do respond in the media so all can know where you stand on this>
Sharron Angle's views AGAIN stretch beyond the boundaries of credulity.
City Center jobs was a joint bipartisan effort by both Senator Reid AND Senator Ensign to get it back on track, imploring them to keep building it to provide jobs.
She continually throws out there this extremely thin, narrow view of how Nevada is supposed to work. Views and opinions that are shared by only the few and extremely radical followers of Sharron Angle.
Even the Republican Party, both on the State of Nevada and national sides, can't reign in Nurse Ratchet.
If for some strange reason she gets voted in, she'll turn Nevada into one big mental institution.
....What a NutJob's NutSpeak sounds like;
"No, I would not," Angle said. "You know the reason is because he may have saved jobs in
CityCenter, but he actually cost jobs in other parts of the city. And you know that as well as I do. The issue here becomes bailouts, right? And stimulus. We want something that is not going to bail out and stimulate, what we want is deregulate, lower taxes, give businesses some breathing room to do what they do best, which is create jobs ... What we really need is real jobs, permanent, full-time jobs with a future. And that can only be provided by the private sector; government does not provide jobs."
Crazy Angle.
THIS is a would-be United States Senator???
Sharron "Craazy" Angle...
A Naterring Nabob of Negativity.
And a NutJob.
Paul, the psychic octopus, does not like the crazy-eye smile of Ms Angle. He's picking Harry by a landslide.
This does not surprise me at all. Sharron Angle and Brian Sandoval have one goal in mind and does not help the working taxpayer in any shape or form. They create and preach tax loopholes for the rich and businesses, and that leaves the working people to pay the burden the Republicants have created. We are being told up front prior to the election that they intend to tax the working people more. I do not like taxes unless they are distributed fairly, the Republicants goal is to ensure that it is not done fairly. When a business with over a three hundred thousand dollars a year profit pays less tax than I do with a 56,000.00 a year income, there is something wrong. If the voters put them in power again the working people will pay a steep price for the Republicants mistakes and all for the good of the state will be their claim.
http://www.bgladd.com/SharronMangle.jpg
In November, the American people are going to just say "no" to the Democrat Administration that is destroying our country.
...You can almost TASTE the Nuttiness!!!
Well, it's certainly palpable.
Harry Reid went to bat for small businesses here in Nevada:
Highest Unemployment in the Country.
Nothing else needs be said. The man does not know ANYTHING about helping businesses unless it is the one where he is cut in on some sweetheart deal.
All you liberals complain about NO JOBS then turn around and want to elect the guy who is taxing the living crap out of small business owners and raising taxes on exactly the people who can open a new business.
And you wonder why there are tens of thousands of unemployed in Nevada.
YOU'RE VOTING FOR UNEMPLOYMENT WHEN YOU VOTE FOR HARRY REID.
YOU'RE VOTING FOR ZERO NEVADA SENATE REPRESENTATION WHEN YOU VOTE FOR SHARRON MANGLE.
Psycho Sharron continues to amaze!
does sharron psycho smiler angle actually take some sort of perverted comfort in watching others misfortune???
how the hell could you possibly characterize the $20 billion obama got from bp as a negative thing...
obama did a great thing...
not good...
great...
saved people from having to fight a corporation larger than most countries in courts for decades...
decades...
great...
not good...
great...
and this maggot criticizes that...
what a loser...
and she wanted city center to fail???
hello...
psycho sharron...
are you mentally deficient???
anybody home???
those would be your constituents...
you are one dumb dumb cookie psycho sharron...
the only possible way to understand these positons...
on the the $20 billion damages fund from bp and the saving of city center...
is that psycho sharron enjoys watching people suffer...
it turns the old bag on...
she gets some sort of perverse sense of superiority out of it...
disgusting...
absolutely disgusting...
The Socialist policies of Barack/Harry/Nancy have served Nevada so well! I can't believe that all of you posting think these three have the ABILITY, KNOWLEDGE or DESIRE to help the business community. They think businesses are the ENEMY and want everything to flow through the Government where they can control the economy.
Yet, the only way out of this mess is to HELP businesses succeed. Don't you see the paradox in your thinking?
And is Obama a Socialist? See this article about polling generated by James Carville - Staunch Democrat!
http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-s...
Crazy Angle is just getting warmed up.
She's the most entertaining clown ever.
Wow who is buying this, The person who keeps saying that they are in the majority by 70% "just wait till November you'll see" type of people ". Mr. Reid made a few phone calls that helped out city center, Call the ethics hot line he crossed the line. He help save jobs!
I would like all those politicians that supports her to go on record and endorse her PLEASE.
November can't come soon enough then maybe you folks that claim to be in the majority will finally realize that you are not!
Because if you were you would be in control now.
And if you lose then you will become closer to the Taliban by wanting someone to shoot the winning opposition.
In other words if I don't win then a 2nd amendment solution is needed. Or lets recount till I win.
Just one word: amnesty
That will be the election.
Harry Reid has been looking for a relative named Rory ----. Has anyone seen Rory lately?
There is a certain percentage of "NutJobs" in these United States, and they are busy!!!
Everything is a BIG CONSPIRACY....
E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G is akin to a "Communist Plot"
with these NutJobs...
Crazy Angle could be their leader. The Big Nut.
The Head Nut. The Top Nut. The Nuttiest Nut!!!
A Nut's Nut.
Ensign, Nut.
Goodman, Nut.
Gibbons, Nut.
Nut, Nut, Nut.
Angle... CRAZY NUTS!!!
Harry Reid is a crazed out, cross-dressing pyscho nazi nut job who spends his days ranting about "negroes" and their "dialects".
According to taxfoundation.org, Nevada has the 4th lowest business taxes, 2nd lowest internal tax rate next to Alaska and our gaming taxes are the lowst in the country, if not the world.
Therefore, the Angle notion that low taxes and less regulation are going to revive the economy is out of wack. (Like we need less regulation: on construction jobsites, on Wall Street, in coal mines and on Gulf oil rigs.)
States like Michigan, which is no longer number one in unemployment, have used government to restore jobs, attract business and build a trained infrastructure. New Mexico and other states do the same.
The latest Senate map for the mid-terms has been updated on realclearpolitics.com. What does it show? Murray (WA), Feingold (WI) and Boxer (CA) have now moved from "Likely" and "Lean" Dem to "Lean" and "Toss Up"
For the first time, the polling data shows a chance for Republicans to TAKE THE SENATE!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/...
America is waking up to the socialist practices of this administration. They are seeing the complete attack on the business community and realize that the long-term viability of this nation is at stake. They are aware that the future of our children, Grandchildren, nieces and nephews are at risk.
Get rid of those socialists and let's get back to work!!!
Comrade Harry Reid, your ticket is punched!
WHAT MRED SED...
Would you NutJobs PLEASE read it twice???
Then read it again.
FACTS!!!
Mred, you don't get it. We DEPEND on people coming here from other locations. We DEPEND on a tremendous amount of business from California - whose economy has been destroyed by the socialist regime of California Democrats.
But the people of California are waking up. Fiorina in a virtual tie with Boxer. Whitman and Brown neck and neck. You would have never seen something like that ten years ago. Going broke may have something to do with making those hard choices.
Across the country - and the world for that matter - people are waking up to the fact that SOCIALISM DOESN'T WORK! Dependence on inefficient and corrupt government expenditures DON'T WORK. The time for "Change" is upon us and the socialists will be swept out in November!
Goodnight, Harry!
In general, I would say that the Republicans have a great interest in having a poor economy, no healthcare for workers, etc., because they have pliable, desperate workers for their businesses. However, in Angle's case, I just don't think that she is smart enough to even think like that. She is simply too dumb to understand the class warfare brought against the middle class and lower class by the elites in this country. She is simply a tool.
My job was one of those saved by Senator Reid. Ms. Angle doesn't care about the thousands of people who would be unemployed right now (and to whom she would not extend UE benefits if needed) had City Center gone bankrupt. Thank you, Senator Reid, for helping me save my job, my house, my car and my dignity. You have my vote.
Notacon, What? That is so contrary to reality that I am shocked you could even write that. Businesses make money when they are in full production. That means they NEED workers to produce product. When there is a positive business environment that means lower unemployment and more choices for workers. WAGES increase. Spending increases. Demand for product increases. It is an upward spiral.
You sound like some bitter ex-employee who was fired for some reason and just want to point your finger at someone. You certainly don't have any idea of how the business community works. Businesses WAT to hire workers because that means there is more demand for their products and they make more money. Get it?
Sharron Angle is the tool that will help us reconstruct the business community in Nevada while Harry Reid sits in his penthouse apartment at CityCenter wondering how the people of Nevada figured out that he was deceiving them for years.
Would you want your cavity filled by someone who hated dentistry? Then why would you vote for someone who hates government?
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A Certified Idiot
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There are no further doubts
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If this sucker gets one vote it will be shocking
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Merci
More Good News for the Republicans. The updated House election map is out and, again, it looks pretty bad for you Dems.
Looks like it is a complete "Toss-Up" as to who will control the House.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/...
Polls keep moving in the "Right" direction as America wakes up and revolts against the Socialist regime of Barack/Harry/Nancy.
See you later, Harry and Dina!!!
Gogo:
Business's biggest cost is labor. If there is high unemployment, people accept jobs at a lower rate than when there is low unemployment. While businesses certainly don't want recession because their total revenue will fall, they need to keep costs down regardless of revenue. Therefore they try to walk a line between low unemployment (bad) and a growing economy (good). You tend to see the world in black and white, this or that, good or bad, when in reality everything is gray, everything is a matter of degree. And the successful business person seeks that middle ground where bottom line is optimized compared to risk.
As to taxes, please note that the Stimulus Bill, for all the hoopla about subsidies/stimulus, was made up 50% of tax cuts, and tax incentives. While you focus exclusively on the stimulus side and call that socialism, you completely miss the whole nature of politics as the art of compromise. You and most conservatives who post here use the word socialist to describe Obama, Reid, Pelosi et all but you misuse the appellation. You seem to think that any social program is both welfare and socialistic. The word socialism refers to an economic system where the major industries and resources are owned and operated by the government. Welfare refers to the giving of benefits to people without regard to whether there is any "earning" of those benefits. Social Security is earned by making contributions. Unemployment Compensation is earned by having been employed. Since 1997 when "workfare" came into being, there has been essentially no welfare in this country as compared to the 60's and 70's. Similarly, regulating industries to prevent them from injuring or defrauding the public is not socialism.
If we have any welfare in this country it is corporate welfare. Agribusiness receives $60B (yes a b) in subsidies annually, in some cases as payment for not growing crops. The energy industry has averaged $12B a year since the Cheney Energy Bill in 2002. If you want to rail against welfare, try that for starters.
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You beat me to it hss46. If businesses attitude towards labor was like what gogo says, there would be no manufacturing sent to China.
Oh gog, by the way, I have only been out of work for about 1 month in my 33 year career and have a great relationship with my workplace. Oh and I am management so I know how business works!
Gogo,
The real decline in manufacturing jobs has been the productivity increases of the US worker (and his or her employer) coupled with outsourcing. It has devastated our economy. Look at this chart:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_4jIlyJ10uJU/S4...
I think you need to DEPEND on DEPENDS with all your doodlin in your drawers you do here daily.
You proffer a simplistic way forward that always has you as the only one who has a clue. You have a bit o knowledge, not much sense though.
No one is buyin your schtick.
hss46, in most cases labor is the number one cost. And you are correct that there are gray areas in business whereas there is something called "Overemployment". But, and this is important, goods and services which generate profits can only be produced when there is a stable and strong employment pool. Is 4% unemployment too low? Probably. Is 14% too high. Assuredly.
There is a "Sweet spot" in the curve of efficient production. That always seems to be around 5-6%. The question is: "Are the policies of this Administration helping the Business Community?" The answer is a resounding NO!
The tax "Cuts" you speak of were heavily rebates for people NOT paying taxes. The label was inappropriate. As far as socialism is concerned, the direction of this administration to have no qualms regarding government becoming a prime administrator in the affairs of private business has reached levels we could never have imagined in the history of this nation.
Not only the takeover of the auto industry by which bondholders and investors interests were thrown out the window, to extortive tactics to force banks to bend to the will of the Administration to demands placed on BP to set up a pre-litigation fund, this administration believes nothing is off limits.
Entitlement programs - first designed to provide a "Helping Hand" to those in that vortex between jobs has morphed into a "Way of life" for the second and third generation of recipients. To deny that is pure folly - and the numbers are growing.
The combination of the Administration taking major roles in corporate affirs and the expansion of the welfare system is socialism under anyone's definition - including yours.
Social Security is a completely different issue. Frankly, if it was investor class it would have been out of business years ago. But that's another story.
As for Corporate Welfare - you are absolutely correct. Being from the Midwest and graduating from Iowa State years ago, I have seen some unbelievable things in the form of farm subsidies. They need to be removed from existence - Now!
Sharron would guarantee that Nevada becomes the laughingstock of the country!
Maybe she should have a drummer doing rimshots after each of her statements!
More Bad news for Dems. Consumer confidence spiraling downward. That means no jobs, people!
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c...
What's an ebarrassment, Notacon, is that this old Carpetbagger can continue to con unknowing and ignorant voters into possibly voting for him again after the destruction he has perpetrated on the State of Nevada's economy.
You should be embarassed!
Even his son won't be seen with him, for God's sake!
Psycho Sharron wants to bring nuclear waste to Nevada and start a taxpayer-funded program that provides relaxing spa treatments (including full-body massages) to prison inmates.
Hmmm. Something about that woman screams bats&*% crazy.
SharLron and gogo are a pair to draw to.
Let's see: eliminate
SS
Education
Energy
Medicare
Farm support
Senator Reid made some calls to prevent huge losses of jobs, revenue, stability and human suffering.
SA would not have even taken the TIME.
What's your vote for? facials for felons
Gogo,
As noted, Nevada has some of the lowest business and personal tax rates in the nation. Please explain how as you describe, that is Reid's 'fault', and how that directly applies to your declaration that Reid is taxing Nevada businesses to death, to the point where he is directly responsible for the highest unemployment rate in the nation?
Because from what I can tell low tax rates + high unemployment rates don't quite fit your disingenuous argument. Not like it's a surprise you are talking garbage out of both sides of your neoconservative piehole...but hey, it should be entertaining to see your explanation.
Let's see:
Eliminate:
Department of Education - it serves no purpose
Department of Energy - It serves no purpose
Medicare - the Dems are cutting $500 Billion
Farm Support - the biggest graft program for AgriBusiness and the destruction of the family farm (airweare, you don't have a clue what you are talking about on this topic)
Senator Reid has made some policies which have caused unemployment to skyrocket to 14% and put about 70,000 people out of jobs in Clark County alone.
Yes, vote for felons. The guy using Federal Funding to build a bridge to increase the value of HIS property. The guy who takes money from Nuclear Waste companies and then says he's aginast nuclear waste in Nevada - but if we can store it 35 miles outside the state line that's O.K. The guy who participates in writing health care bills that insures big Drug company profits and then receives millions of dollars in ads from those same drug companies.
By all means, airweare, vote for the felon - his name is Harry Reid!
Many thanks to the writer of this editorial for informing the Nevada citizens of the cold hard facts, and thanks also to the objective traditional Republican, the Independents, and the Democrat bloggers for their truthful comments.
Do not let the radical extremist wingnut propagandists obscure the truth with misinformation, and downright lies.
They will try to use fear,lies, insults, false polls, and every dirty trick in their Fascist propaganda manuals to try to brainwash you into believing them. They post lies and keep repeating them over and over in attempts to convince and deter you from viewing the issues objectively.
If you want to know their propaganda tactics then just go to: http://www.maebrussel.com/Articles%20and......, or you can just type into your search bar: "Propaganda Techniques of German Fascism"
As you can see from their posts, they are ever so willing to support their candidates no matter how despicable those candidates are.
Form your own opinion on the issues that affect you and your family, your community, your state, and the country. Do not let the party of "NO", "Obstruction", "Hate", and ""Lies" form your opinion for you.
gee, gogo, why then don't you inform a farmer about the risks, gogo ahead and chargecharge into the meaty truth. We had no plan for controlling our farmers beside the mega-corporations. The govt stepped in.
Back in the thirties, we called FDR SAINT ROOSEVELT, bub, know why?
Do you happen to have an understanding of dirt? Of sun and water? I think you're a wasted investor with as much of a grasp of what a family farm means to a farmer as you have on most of the other topics that you blather away on wasting your time and not doing your investors any good at all by researching, but preferring to act smart and big and tough and Republican on some one-horse town rag with your continuous dismissal and disregard of anything, everything and all things not gogo.
My understanding of dirt is now complete that I have read your commentary. Here are some facts. The family farmer has been squeezed out by AgriBusiness. That is disgraceful. The tax code and assessment of farming income and farm investment have made it almost impossible for the family farm to exist. It is a blight on our society.
You don't know what you're talking about when it comes to farming. This ain't Kansas anymore, Weare, and FDR isn't in the White House. Ever worked on a farm? I have. Ever lived in iowa or a farming state? I have. Do you even know a farmer? One of my best friends owns 2,000 acres in Greene County, Iowa.
So get off your "I-know-it-all" box and knock off the sanctimonious garbage. Taxes are destroying family farmers - FACT. Democrats consider farmers to be rich because of valuations placed on family farms - FACT.
Why don't you talk about something you know about - like endorsing government checks and the best way to "Game" the welfare system. Just keep your mouth shut about farming - it's out of your league.
Hey, Vidi, still waiting for an answer:
How long should people be able to receive unemployment?
You're the champion of the underclass, give me an idea of how long someone should be eligible.
One Year?
Two Years?
Three Years?
Forever?
22 years of a great booming economy under Reid, 2 very bad years, because the national economy caught a cold (and we got the flu). I'd say that that is a very, very good record.
Even right wing talk show hosts are saying Angle is inarticulate, worse than Reid.
Social Security Medicare flip flop
No to Unemployment Extensions
BP slush fund flip flop
No intervention to save City Center
No to mortgage modification
Ban Booze
Nuclear Waste shipments to Yucca
Of course yes to her husband getting Federal Money as a BLM goon.
Frankly, I don't give a d*** about how "Articulate" my senator is or isn't. I don't care if you don't like her smile or you think she looks gawky. We're not talking swimsuit models or somebody on a lecture tour - where Obama will be in 2013.
We're talking about getting rid of Government policies that are HURTING those people who REALLY want to work and those people who work hard and deserve to be REWARDED and not have their property seized.
Harry Reid was in charge of NOTHING during those twenty two years. As soon as he and Nancy picked up the gavel in 2007 the country started going to pot. FACT!!!!!
And anyone who would want the dynamic duo back in place for another two years is as looney as a jaybird.....
That's for you, airweare, to remind you of the days when this country actually believed in self-reliance and being rewarded for a HARD DAYS WORK - not be rewarded just for being born in the U.S.
Gogo:
Lets go through it point by point:
Dept of Ed: To the extent it handles billions in grants and subsidies, it is useful, but I agree to the extent it deals with NCLB;
Dept of Energy: Are you really suggesting that oil be unregulated? It can't be left to the states to regulate. (I'll go into detail if you wish.)
Medicare: The cuts were in the level at which docs and hosp are allowed to charge, not a reduction in benefits. I handle my dad's medicare paperwork (almost a full time job btw) and the cuts will have no impact on seniors. I don't feel sorry for the docs whose earnings will now dip below $500k. Docs are the best argument for a "Maximum Wage". And please don't suggest that there will be a doctor shortage if we cut their compensation.
Farm Subsidies: We are in total agreement.
As to Reid contributing to unemployment in Nevada, I'm still waiting for the specifics on that. Our employment is based on the level of tourism and that is a function of the national economy. I understand you want to blame Harry as majority leader in 2007 and 2008 for the recession but the bubble triggering it was based on a decade of wall street running unregulated after the 1998 legislation deregulating wall street, and yes the Dems share in the blame for that because they too get wall street PAC money.
As to accepting money from industries covered by legislation, the problem is you are focused only on Harry. Do you think the RNC money Sharron accepts has no taint? Do think there are any Republican Senators who don't accept PAC money from a variety of industries. Thats not a "Harry" issue, its a systemic problem that is bipartisan, worsened by People United. AS of 2008, to get re-elected a congressman had to raise $10,000 every single day he is in office to fund his re-election campaign and it is orders of magnitude higher for Senators. We absolutely need a system where our elected officials don't need to rely on corporations to get re-elected.
Gee, with Harry in there pretty soon everyone will have 2 jobs! One won't be with the Census dept either!
More government is the answer! 115 different financial regulatory agencies in the federal government yet we need more because we're so...unregulated. You can't make the left up.
Sharron Angle has basically stated that "God sanctions rape." How ludricious, how asinine, how insensitive is that statement?
What is worse is that the majority of the boot licking radical extremist wingnut bloggers support her statement.
Do they not have a mother, a sister, a wife, or a daughter?
Enforcement departments could easily be folded into other departments such as Commerce. The spending to keep the bureuacracy afloat is incredble. In fact, enforcement is a small part of the budget of the Energy and Education Department and is the reason that things like the Gulf spill happen. The current enforcement provided by the government is a joke. See Bernie Madoff (SEC) and BP (MMS).
What you just related regarding the paperwork is the problem with all these growing departments in Washington, D.C. The health care bill has an estimated cost of $17 Billion dollars over the first ten years JUST FOR SMALL BUSINESSES TO SET UP BOOKKEEPERS TO HANDLE THE PAPERWORK! Does that help Small Businesses to get people hired? Absolutely not - it is a reason NOT to hire. As for Doctors. They spend a ton of money to get through school and also pay a huge amount of money in insurance costs. They don't make as much as they used to. How about some tort reform? Where did that go? The guys making millions are the Heavy Hitter and a clan named Bernstein.
You surely know that supporting the business community is based partly on policy and partly on temperament. So far the policies are causing great concern in the business community. But worse is the "Unknown". Dealing with the "Unknown" is the most fearful prospect in an investor's view. What will happen to the markets? what will the government do next? Will taxes make it impossible to make a profit?
The business community is hearing about nothing but regulation and onerous additional policies like Cap-and-Trade. This environment is now poisonous to starting a business and we're seeing that now with the increasing unemployment numbers. Those factors are in great part dictated by policy out of Washington and the eforts of said Reid, Pelosi and Obama.
Those national policies have a huge effect on Nevada. If you have $1000 to spend in a month and, after implementation, you only have $800 you are going to look for places to save. what's the first thing to go? Can't go to Vegas this year...
That's the impact.
As far as Sharron Angle is concerned. If she bows to the desires of her donors and acts in ways contrary to what is best for Nevadans then she would need to be cashiered also. She hasn't done it - YET. Harry Has - he needs to go.
Public financing of campaigns and TERM limits are needed. Agreed?
I saw Keith Olberman say that Scott Brown endorsed the sodomizing of Martha Coakley by splicing together some video clips. I thought that was outrageous.
Vidi, you have topped Mr. Olberman with the sickest and most disgusting statement I have seen in print. You should be absolutely ashamed of yourself.
How many of you liberal posters stand by Vidi's statement that Sharron Angle says "God sanctions rape"?
And you posters that have any belief in the almighty, what do you think of Vidi's statement that Sharron Angle believes that "God sanctions rape"?
You have lost whatever SHRED of dignity or credibility you had. You need help.
How many of you liberal posters stand by Vidi's statement that Sharron Angle says "God sanctions rape"?
___
All apparently part of "God's plan for each of us," as Sharron Mangle put it. Maybe SHE can explain it to you.
Gogo:
She said that a rape was part of God's plan. I think that it is a fair statement to call that a sanctioning of the rape.
gogo:
If your view that a department has to go because its function should be more efficient if handled by some other department, I might agree. However, as with MMS, when you do too much combining, the multiple functions can be at odds with each other resulting in a conflict of duties. In the grand scheme of things, the only savings would be if fewer ppl could do the same level of function, so I doubt that much would be saved. Given the risks associated with overlapping duties, as with MMS, I'll trade the savings for fewer conflicts of interest. The bottom line here is you'll save far more by cutting the Pentagon budget and corporate welfare.
Can I ask how a true Christian, or any believer in the Bible can rationalize a position against amnesty with Leviticus 24:22:
"Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the LORD your God."
Is there anyone out there who is not Caucasian but is against all forms of amnesty for illegal immigrants?
out of touch with reality...ridculous...factually wrong......should be run as a banner everytime everytime Sharron Angle appears in print or on television
No, the fact is that running two wars off the books by Bush and Co. seriously damaged the economy.
Angle is very comfortable teling pople what she thinks is God's will. That should be horrifying enough to not vote for her!
One can see from the comments from the boot licking radical extremist wingnut supporters that they will defend the indefensible when their radical extremist candidates or politicians go "off the Cliff" with their preposterous lies and preposterous opinions.
Do they not have a mind of their own?
Where are their principles, values, and integrity?
Gogo,
Does it make you happy to be made to look ridiculously foolish everyday here?
You get thoroughly debunked day in and day out, you just keep typing longer replies like more words can erase being wrong.
Do you have any friends?
THe comment that "God sanctions rape" is morally disgusting for one very important reason. I have read that rape is part of God's "plan". Well, my understanding of this universe is that we are beings of free will. There is rape, murder, assault, etc. that takes place on a daily basis. God is our creator but does not "Step in" and force us to rape or murder a fellow human being.
The very thought that God "Sanctions" an act such as this is absurd and morally bankrupt. God does not sanction sin nor does he promote the ability to sin. The very fact that any of you would consider the fact that God "sanctions" the conduct you describe shows that you are unaware of the relationship between God and Man.
Let me use another example. A lot of you have children. Let's say that your child gets behind the wheel of a car while drunk. Does that mean you as a parent are "sanctioning" drunk driving? That is the extension of Sharron Angle's statement that you are all making. Drunk driving is part of life and it happens every day. So is rape. So is murder. God doesn't "Sanction" rape or murder just as you, the parent, don't sanction drunk driving.
It is extremely dangerous to extrapolate statements like you people have to try to paint someone as something they are not. I see this all the time in political debate. Sharron Angle wants to look at privatizing Social Security. Result: Sharron Angle wants to kill Social Security. NOT the same thing.
This is the type of "Spin" that allows the strong to manipulate the weak. It needs to stop.
Ignore the "DemoSun" scare tactics for what they are -- cheap attack ads designed to hide and obscure Prince Harry's arrogance and failed leadership. Obama-Reid are destroying our already floundering economy with their runaway deficit spending and inept responses to the employment, border & oil leak crisis. Both need to go before before their socialist fantasy becomes America's nightmare.
Jeff, you never say anything of value and the "debunking" you speak of is not related to facts, it is limited to:
George Bush screwed us!!!!
Foolish? The contrast between critical thought that I post and the rantings and blame game provided by you and the other liberal loons would indicate that the blathering is done by the fools.
You being one.
You are in a vast minority of thought, friend. And your illogical attempt to justify the INEPT way in which this country is being operated will be remedied in November. Your foolishness will be well on display then.
Regarding Sharrron Angle's comments about abortion. I completely agree that she has the right to that opinion. What I can't see is how she could ever take the oath of office should she win. If she has the first view she can't take the oath, because she needs to protect abortion rights as a consequence of her oath.
Sharrron is an interesting animal. Dissecting her views has unearthed a new form of human being initially being termed the "anti homo bardus".
gogo
Don't stop drinking the kool-aid.
You are definitely the most addicted junkie I've ever run across.
Again, look at the two cerebral comments posted by the MENSA twins, Jeff and LastThroes. Not a thought between them, just an attempt to throw out ridiculous statements and cast aspersions. You guys must lead interesting lives. What do you guys do for fun, go down to the Emergency Room and jeer at people being brought in by ambulance?
Here is some pertinent information. It shows the decline of the Democratic chances in November. I'm sure, even if you took the time to look at it, you would respond by saying:
"Sharron Angles is a nut job, she endorses rape and Prohibition. She can't beat Harry Reid!"
Well, facts are facts, boys. And you will lose in november and that includes Mr. Reid. But the numbers speak for themselves....
http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-s......
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/......
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/......
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c......
You see, I'll post FACTS and actual polling data from respected sources. You two will stick out your tongues and say "We love Harry". I rest my case children.
Gogo says:
"Jeff, you never say anything of value and the "debunking" you speak of is not related to facts, it is limited to:
George Bush screwed us!!!!"
I say:
He was part of the problem, but only a part. Is he one of your heroes?
Gogo says:
"Foolish? The contrast between critical thought that I post and the rantings and blame game provided by you and the other liberal loons would indicate that the blathering is done by the fools.
You being one.
You are in a vast minority of thought, friend. And your illogical attempt to justify the INEPT way in which this country is being operated will be remedied in November. Your foolishness will be well on display then."
I say:
Critical thought? That is rich, lowbrow propaganda is more like it.
I will agree with you the country is being run ineptly. We need better economic borders, more unions, higher minimum taxes on dividends paid from semi monopolies like WalMart. No taxes paid by reinvested money instead of paying dividends with a 20 year guarantee all jobs and suppliers will be American.
Or we can do it you and your friends way that will keep OPEC dangerous and filthy rich, among other travesties of humankind you embrace. Maybe bomb a few thousand more babies to keep profits up?
LOL!
NRO, RCP and R-ass? Why don't you just include the John Birch Society in your pile of BS 'facts'?
At least you are good for a laugh!
Hahaha great job Repukeblicans!!!!! Just keep her talking and the whole world and not just Nevada will find out how stupid this ignorant Angle is really like!! Bravo Repukeblicans!!!!!
why psycho sharron is un-electable...
psych sharron wants to eliminate social security...
boys and girls...
this means millions of seniors would have become homeless in the recent financial crisis...
grandma and grandpa...
homeless...
psycho sharron gets some perverse thrill out of kicking people when they are down...
the very best solution she has for the unemployment problem today...
insult those down on their luck...
call them spoiled...
what a scum bag psycho sharron is...
psycho sharron wants to return the $20 billion obama got from bp...
return it to the biggest environmental destroyer on the planet...
return it...
make those whom have had their lives ruined by bp fight them in court...
for decades...
what a maggot psycho sharron is...
psych sharron wants little girls to die in childbirth even if they know beforehand that there will be complications...
an even if they got pregnant because their dad raped them...
maggot maggot maggot...
psycho sharron wants our kids to glow in the dark...
she supports yucca mountain...
she could care less about las vegas...
scum bag...
psycho sharron supports citizens killing politicians that they don't agree with...
scum bag scum bag scum bag...
psycho sharron supports the integration of church and state...
she believes jefferson was misquoted...
believes separation of church and state is a bad idea...
moron...
psycho sharron is a coward...
afraid to be interviewed..
a coward...
afraid to have anybody even look at her old web site...
maggot scum bag moron coward...
ladies and gentlemen...
boys and girls...
psycho sharron is a bad person...
psycho sharron is un-electable!!!
Again, read the last four posts and see if there is an intelligent thought contained in any of them.
The blind leading the blind.
I'm sure none of you children looked at the attachments, that would have been too startling for you. The end is near and common sense will again overtake empty rhetoric designed to manipulate the ignorant masses represented by the above four posters.
As I said, nary a thought amongst them!
Have a good night, monkeys!
saw in on Olbermann: Alan Stock the afternoon shock jock, asked Angle about abortion, and she says that a girl who has been raped by her father should go ahead and have the baby, it would be a way of making lemonade out of a lemon...according to the one who wants to ban booze.
gogo cracks me up! he's a riot
Argumentum Ad Hominem attacks against the traditional Republican, Independent, and Democrat bloggers, that post objective facts and opinions, only serve to prove their points.
You amuse me too, Throes. Like watching a mouse chasing his tail.....always talks about getting there but never quite making it....
By the way, who has the brain today, you, Jeff or birdie....
I see you all typed something but of course nothing made sense - you must have forgotten it at the nursery!
By the way, does anyone other than me find it interesting that the RJ has not comissioned a poll of Reid vs. Angle lately? Probably because they don't want to advertise that she is primed for the knockout already!
@notacon -
You're probably correct. Moreover, as the campaign goes on and her nutcase internally inconsistent views get wider airing, she will inexorably drop all the way to election day.
I'm no big Harry Reid fan (I've called him a Pearl Clutcher and post-Bu'ush Stockholm Syndrome victim in the past), but the solution to my frustration is NOT the nihilistic election of some hinterlands coffee klatch rube who thinks it's appropriate to call for (however tangentially) armed seditious violence against the government if she doesn't come up a winner.
Moreover, I could give a flip if she's a "Christian." She's not running for Pope.
This woman adds new depth to the word "clueless."
Gogo
We all have brains and have a conscience too, something your lot hasn't seen unless forced to in a courtroom in years. Even then it is not a conscience, it is a business expense.
And quit calling me a liberal, just because I identify you as a corporatist whore, doesn't mean I am a liberal. There are no more liberals left.
I am a conservative American who detests union haters.
Go bomb some more babies.
It seems to help the bottom line.
More thoughtful prose from Jeff of Vegas/Pluto. It seems that contemplative thought has been abandoned on this post.
Have you a thought for the day? or Weekend? or Month?
Seems as if those "whore-mongering" Corporations are the only hope for those pedantic Nevadans seeking salvation. Yet, you continue to believe that corporations and businesses are evil, oppressive and opportunisitic.
Why don't you move to some South Sea island where the natives run around in grass skirts and fish off canoes for their dinner. You would be spared the evils of corporate America and also would be relieved of the burden of thought.
Just wondering....
Also o a snippet of Obama's speech. $5 Billion for businesses that produce "Green" energy jobs. That means NOTHING for 99.9999% of the operating businesses in Nevada.
Thanks for the dog-and-pony show, Harry. Hope you raised a lot of money at those $600 a plate dinners while those unemployed people seeking extensions are waiting to hear if you will be willing to dip into your "stimulus" slush fund (that's right, SLUSH FUND) and help them out!
You're the best, Harry!
hey gogo...
watch and learn partner...
we are going to destroy psycho sharron...
day by day...
bit by bit...
we are going to expose all of her warts...
and believe me son...
she has a ton of warts...
deep down...
she is an ugly person...
wrapped in a thin veneer of arrogance...
sit back and enjoy the show...
it's gonna be a blast...
we took down sue "let them use chickens for healthcare" lowden...
a deranged psychopath should be easy as pie...
Three-quarters of all crop workers
working in American agriculture were
born outside the United States.
At least 50% of the crop workers have
not been authorized to work legally in
the United States.
The Farm Workers Union is ready to
welcome citizens and legal residents
who wish to replace them in the field.
"We will use our knowledge and staff
to help connect the unemployed with
farm employers
Sharron is right. There are plenty of
available jobs ... for those Real
Americans who would gladly reject an
unemployment check in return for
actual employment.
Moreover, for all the unemployed
Teabaggers out there, here is your
opportunity, not merely to find work,
but TO PUT AN ILLEGAL MEXICAN OUT OF A
JOB!! Yes, this is your chance for
Americans TO TAKE THEIR JOBS BACK, and
send some illegals packing. Show them
how it feels when someone takes away
their job. These are rightfully
American jobs to begin with.
Just click on the link below, fill out
the form to the right and continue on
to the request for job application."
http://www.takeourjobs.org/
Note: Job may include using hand tools
such as knives, hoes, shovels, etc.
Duties may include tilling the soil,
transplanting, weeding, thinning,
picking, cutting, sorting & packing of
harvested produce. May set up &
operate irrigation equip. Work is
performed outside in all weather
conditions (Summertime 90+ degree
weather) & is physically demanding
requiring workers to bend, stoop, lift
& carry up to 50 lbs on a regular
basis.
Hey gogo,
Corporations are good things when owned by good people. I own a couple and we have a good time. I don't do business with "made in China" or you. I sleep well.
I have more thoughts in a minute than you have had in a month of Sundays. You are a parrot.
squawk
squawk
squawk
Everyone who is unemployed here in Vegas and reading these blogs, please prove Stan correct by advising us that you want to move to California, work for minimum wage outside doing backbreaking crop harvesting at different locations in different cities/counties every week!
I"m still waiting for someone to respond to my comment about the meaning of Leviticus 24:22.
@ notacon:
"By the way, does anyone other than me find it interesting that the RJ has not comissioned a poll of Reid vs. Angle lately?"
Yeah, I've thought about that. The R-J has been quick to poll Reid and now all of the sudden...crickets. Could be the 2nd Amendment psycho is tanking so the GOP media has shut polling down.
Gee, Jeff, you don't even know who I am. Those thoughts you have, are they usually spurred on by the aforementioned use of those mind-altering drugs?
Talk about a parrot - those screeching sounds coming from your posts have a distinctive ring to them!
Hey, Jeff, what kind of business are you in?
Selling T-Shirts at Jimmy Buffet concerts, perhaps?
hss46, the key here is to punish the employers who hire illegal aliens to do this work. We all hear that "Americans won't do that job" - as expressed in your post.
But what if the pay was $20/Hour? The deal is that Americans won't do that job AT THAT WAGE! If those farm workers made $20/Hour there would be plenty of people lining up to be hired.
The lack of ENFORCEMENT again is the issue in this case - not the lack of opportunity.
As I've posted numerous times, there are regulations aplenty on the books - we just never enforce them!
LastThroes: I am wondering if th RJ will swallow their pride and wind up with a relatively weak endorsement for Reid!
Mort Zuckerman, Democrat, says:
"This is the most hostile Administration to business in history"
Nuff said.....
Nevada's most famous dingbat is featured on Yahoo! News:
++++
SHARRON ANGLE STRUGGLES ON THE NATIONAL STAGE
by Rachel Rose Hartman
"How does a political protest movement that encompasses some 30 percent of Americans sit on the national stage? Not always so comfortably, it turns out..."
It's a good read.
@notacon-
NV Republican bigwig insider Sig Rogich is supporting Reid.
Let Sharron Mangle have her little fun before she fully self-immolates.
I too have noticed there is no polls reported on by the LVRJ. Which basically means that Sharron Angle is tanking, and Senator Reid is closing the gap.
Especially after her radio spot with Heidi Harris (God forbid! Another tea baghead conservative radio announcer!) in which Sharron Angle complained about Senator Reid's political tactics to "hit the girl."
Which is stupid.
I have always been taught to show courtesy to women. I guess I'm old fashioned.
You go over and hold a door for a woman to go through. It's courtesy. It's the appropriate thing to do.
But in politics?
It's different.
When a woman who you are running against steps up to a door, you take it off its hinges, rear back and smack her with it.
Sounds like I advocate violence against women, but I'm not. I'm just making a point.
It's politics. You go for the throat.
If the shoe was on the other foot, Sharron Angle would do the same.
Basically, it's not Senator Reid's fault that the best weapon to use against Sharron Angle is...her mouth. He's just pointing out the nonsense she spouts just about every day.
Nothing personal, Sharron Angle. It's politics. And it's the right thing to do hitting you with a door.
But then again, now I come to think of it, Senator Reid don't have to do that too much.
Because Sharron Angle seems to walk into the door without looking all the time....
notacon,
Highly unlikely. Sherm and his bootlickers hate Reid with a passion that borders on sick obsession.
I mean, I've read plenty of both conservative and liberal leaning newspapers but the RJ is different -- there's a mean streak over there that is off the charts.
The R-J will endorse Angle.
Polls aren't taken weekly. They are monthly at best meaning the next R-J poll will be out in a week or so.
The liberal media is doing everything it can to promote Reid.
President Obama has delivered another blow to an incumbent's chance of winning.
Harry Reid will refuse to do any interviews because he has his own case of "Foot-in-mouth" disease.
Reid will have to try to jam through about three more spending bills before the election and the anger of America will rise as the deficit rises.
Angle will win the election.
Jeff, Notacon, Throes, Vidi, Birdie, Ksand99 and Edgewise will commit group suicide in an Arizona sweat lodge with a picture of Harry Reid attached to each of their foreheads.
That should wrap up the day!!
Have a good night!
R-J polls for Reid/Angle by Mason-Dixon:
June 1-3 (Reid +3)
May 24-26 (Angle +3)
One week apart then nothing.
You're not the only one, LastThroes.
gogo cracks me up also and I too believe he's a riot.
It's like he types stuff, hits send, steps back a pace or two, crosses his fingers and toes, closes his eyes, and then exclaims out loud, "Oh, please, please, make it so, God, make that bad man Obama, the other equally bad man Reid and the wicked witch from the west Pelosi all go away!"
And he does this after watching Fox News. To get talking points. Because everyone knows you don't have to do any fact checking on their stuff which they proclaim is an elixir that will guarantee youth, prosperity and happiness, but is in reality nothing but over priced snake oil.
As a matter of fact, I really believe gogo works for Fox News as their Las Vegas representative.
"And now, let's switch to gogo in Las Vegas for his perspective on news in Nevada...."
Sheesh.
More from gogo haha:
"Harry Reid will refuse to do any interviews because he has his own case of "Foot-in-mouth" disease."
++++
gogohaha,
In case you haven't heard, Harry Reid is Senate Majority Leader, the second most powerful position in Washington, which puts him on the world stage every single day. Everything he says is scrutinized and he says a lot regularly because his job demands it.
gogo haha, you're not that smart are you?
More bad news for you Dems. Just read this and had to post it before I went out. Note the first line from the extremely well-respected pollster Charlie Cook - the "Bible" in D.C. as to what to expect in elections - sorry, Dems!
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...
"The House is Gone"
Unfortunately the Senate will come up a seat or two short.
You see, Colin, I get my information from great sources like the Wall Street Journal, National Review, Washington Post and I even watch MSNBC - except for Keith Olberman who is so nasty as to be sickening.
Fact is, you have probably never watched a minute of Fox News and you comment on it regularly. That makes you an underinformed ignorant left-wing "Whacko".
And the Wicked Witch of the West will be relegated to a MINORITY roll in January!!!!!
Good Night!
I wonder if ANY of you have had the intelletual honesty to click any of the links I have provided. Guess not, that would entail thought....
"The war is lost"
"You can smell it when the tourists show up"
"We lost thirty thousand jobs last month - that's good"
"He speaks with a black accent when he wants to"
"If your Senator isn't putting in a bunch of earmarks he isn't doing his job"
Yeah, he's a brilliant wordsmith. Fact is, he only talks at invitation-only events and when was the last time you saw an interview with him on a news program.....
Of course, Throes, you don't consider those staments by Reid to be "Whacky" because your brain is as addled as the Senator's!
gogo's new name: Lady Gogo
gogo said:
"Gee, Jeff, you don't even know who I am."
I say:
For this I am eternally grateful.
Gogo said:
Hey, Jeff, what kind of business are you in?
I say:
One that leaves the premises if Fox News is on in the lobby, one that leaves the premises if there are only white people there, one that would run like crazy if he happened upon YOU. Anyone partnering with you is looking bankruptcy square in the face.
gogo said:
"Selling T-Shirts at Jimmy Buffet concerts, perhaps?"
I say:
What are you looking down on those people for? This statement of yours shows your "True Colors"
Gogo said:
"Angle will win the election.
Jeff, Notacon, Throes, Vidi, Birdie, Ksand99 and Edgewise will commit group suicide in an Arizona sweat lodge with a picture of Harry Reid attached to each of their foreheads."
I say:
I think you had accused me of being on hallucinogens -- It looks like you have a history of these types of drugs based upon your comments.
Just for anyone who has trouble understanding Angle's dogma, here is Romans 9:21 which basically destroys the myth of free-will:
"Hath not the potter power ouer the clay, of the same lumpe, to make one vessell vnto honour, and another vnto dishonour?"
- King James Version (1611)
Here are Wesley's notes for that verse:
"9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay - And much more hath not God power over his creatures, to appoint one vessel, namely, the believer, to honour, and another, the unbeliever, to dishonour? If we survey the right which God has over us, in a more general way, with regard to his intelligent creatures, God may be considered in two different views, as Creator, Proprietor, and Lord of all; or, as their moral Governor, and Judge. God, as sovereign Lord and Proprietor of all, dispenses his gifts or favours to his creatures with perfect wisdom, but by no rules or methods of proceeding that we are acquainted with. The time when we shall exist, the country where we shall live, our parents, our constitution of body and turn of mind; these, and numberless other circumstances, are doubtless ordered with perfect wisdom, but by rules that lie quite out of our sight. But God's methods of dealing with us, as our Governor and Judge, are dearly revealed and perfectly known; namely, that he will finally reward every man according to his works: He that believeth shalt be saved, and he that believeth not shall be damned. Therefore, though He hath mercy on whom he willeth, and whom he willeth he hardeneth, that is, suffers to be hardened in consequence of their obstinate wickedness; yet his is not the will of an arbitrary, capricious, or tyrannical being. He wills nothing but what is infinitely wise and good; and therefore his will is a most proper rule of judgment. He will show mercy, as he hath assured us, to none but true believers, nor harden any but such as obstinately refuse his mercy. #Jer 18:6|,7"
You might not agree with her religion, I certainly don't, but she does have biblical support for her views on God's will.
Angle's husband is retired BLM so he is getting a federal pension. Hey Sharon- the private sector does not get a pension so perhaps you and your husband should turn down the federal money like your grandfather did. You say anything you want-so since you talk the talk then it is time to walk the walk. You were a teacher and state rep- are you getting a state pension as well because if you are elected to federal post then will you and your family be getting 2 state pensions and 2 federal pensions and lifetime health insurance?
Gogo et al:
No rational independent pollster is going call the election as over 4 months ahead of election day. If memory serves, big leads in June/early July evaporate all the time. As much as I don't think Angle will be a good senator, there's no way I would say that Harry has or has not won it now. Same thing with house races.
That being said, other than 2002, every president in our history has lost substantial ground especially in the House in the first mid-term and usually in the second mid-term, so no rational person expects Obama to be any different.
LastThroes: Maybe Reids up over 10 points by now. The RJ wouldn't want to print that because Angles lifeline money will dry up and she will be toast.
By the way, the Lady gogo thing cracked me up!
Polls are many times not what they are cracked up to be--just type: "Top 10 Pollsters Who Tried to Dupe Us Last Year" or go to: www.businessinsider.com/top-ten-dubious-....
Fox did a poll once that included a statistic of 120%. Polls cannot exceed 100%.
The propaganda reason the boot licking radical extremist bloggers post these dubious polls over and over is to deter people from going to the polls and voting.
They posted bogus polls against Clinton, Gore, Kerry, and Obama but they failed against Clinton and Obama.
I just hope Obama comes back to support Reid on the Eve of the election, that will end it for him. Obama is an election curse for incumbents. So please come back Barry, just one more time, preferably on 11/01/10, that way all the things people hate about the current administration and it's allies (Reid) will be fresh in their minds when they enter the polling booth on 11/02. bye bye Harry, Searchlight can't wait to have you back!
The truth is coming out on Sharron......people are starting to see what a nut job the woman really is....
The more she talks, the better things get for Harry! I'm looking forward to a debate (maybe a series of debates...) between Harry & Sharron.
Alaska has their "moose lady," and Nevada has their nut job Sharron....
Sharron, keep talking......
You're the best thing that the Democrats have going for them......the more you talk, the better it gets for Harry!
El_Lobo! Where the heck have you been? Glad you are back!
gogoblacksoxs said....
"Angle will win the election."
See what happens to you when you're a catcher on a baseball team, and you consistently refuse to wear protective gear?
I have always had a great deal of respect for people from Iowa but I guess I was wrong.....
Congrats to Crazy Sharron and all her deranged supporters for making Nevada the laughingstock of national politics.
Her psycho smile (very similar to the Jack Nicholson character, Jack Torrance, in The Shining when he lost his mind then chopped through the door with an ax and smiled while saying "Honey, I'm home!") is splashed across the internet and major newspapers around the world.
Angle will win and it certainly will be a stunning upset. The voters of Nevada will not forgive Harry Reid for his many years of ignoring his own state in favor of other people's business. Some people think incorrectly that the plight of Nevada is Gov Jim Gobbon's fault. The people of Nevada think differently. With the exception of the few zealots on this page the average person in Nevada is too busy trying to survive. They don't have the luxury of these retired Democrats that are pressing ham and contributing to the confusion on this thread. Most people see Sharron Angle as a savior and a prophet. She will win and by an enormous amount. The President sealed Harry's fate by speaking for him. Mr Obama has fallen in bad favor with the very people that elected him a short time ago.
If the Senior Senator from Nevada, the Majority Leader in the Senate and a personal confidant of the President of the United States cannot or will not do any better than he has as a leader in this state he should not be re-elected.
To say that it was not his job to promote this state as a source of employment for outside companies is just wrong. He was elected as our champion. He failed. Sharron Angle is a better candidate at present than Reid.
Republicans have NO LEADERS, JUST LIARS AND
SPINNERS.
Greedy republicans ruined our economy for years
to come.
Great leaders like President Obama and Harry
Reid are doing a great job for Americans.
Keep these crazy republicans out of office.
LOL
Glen Beck laughs alot too.
Calthompian said....
"Angle will win and it certainly will be a stunning upset."
"Some people think incorrectly that the plight of Nevada is Gov Jim Gobbon's fault."
"Most people see Sharron Angle as a savior and a prophet. She will win and by an enormous amount."
"Sharron Angle is a better candidate at present than Reid."
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Wow! No, double Wow! What has Calthompian been drinking?
Angle is a light-weight in a heavy-weight situation. She's completely out of the loop and has no idea what is going on.....
The poor lady is another Sarah Palin...
It's time to have a debate between Reid & Angle and give the voters a chance to see what each candidate stands for....
Angle's latest statement about a U.S. Senator having nothing to do with the creation of jobs is just more of the same from her.
She is now attempting to "back track" on many of her previous statements about Social Security, Medicare and the EPA. Her latest statement about education is down right scary....
She has a long, long history of saying "Ron Paul" type statements that will gain the support of those over on the extreme right, but won't hold water with moderates or any one even slightly on the left....
If elected, she will be a major embarrassment for this state in Washington....
One has to wonder, where in the world does the GOP get these people?
Sarah Palin & Sharron Angle.....scary stuff!
Rassmussen is a republican.
The same as FOX POLL.
MEANINGLESS.
REPUBLICANS DESTROYED THIS ECONOMY.
No sane person would want these idiots back
in charge.
Angle is BUSH/CHENEY/ROVE all over again.
Americans CAN'T be this stupid.
The die hard wingnuts may vote for Angle but the traditional Republicans, the Independents, and the Democrats will not.
For those of you who want to see some information on the mid-terms from the most highly respected pollster used by both Democrats and Republicans, see below: (Cook Reports)
http://www.cookpolitical.com/node/7559
Not good news for you Dems....
P.S. - Rasmussen is a very well respected polling firm. Used by both Dems and Repubs. They have actually had the Obama approval rating above the Gallup and NBC polls the last two weeks.
Keep trying to convince yourself that Harry Reid will win. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!
He is going to have to try to pass two or three more spending bills before November. His approval rating has never gotten over 40% and now Angle is going to start running ads highlighting the abysmal performance of Carpetbagger Harry.
Get used to:
Senator Sharron Angle!
Good night, Sleep Tight!
Obama approval rating amongst Independents - 38%
Do you really think it's any higher for Harry Reid?
Senator Sharron Angle!
Ousted Utah Sen. Bob Bennett today:
"My sources in Nevada say with Sharron Angle there's no way Harry Reid loses in Nevada..."
____________
Insiders know that Crazy Angle is going down.
Looks like she'll have go with Plan B, the Second Amendment remedy.
Each day that passes, more and more people are seeing that Sharron Angle is not the one who should be representing us in Washington.
The woman is a light-weight, plain & simple! Her election would be a major mistake for Nevada.
Her views on Social Security, Medicare, education and the creation of jobs clearly shows that she's out of touch with most voters...
Her extreme right-wing views got her the nomination in the primary, but will not give her the support she needs come November.
"Sorry Sue" or "baby Tark" would have been much stronger candidates than she is, but the teabaggers shot the GOP in the foot by selecting "crazy Sharron."
Harry will win come November....the hand writing is on the wall!
Rasmussen is a phony polling company. It has a system to appear legit.
Its polling is skewed heavily GOP the further out from election day. The intent is to influence voters with a steady stream of favorable polls for republicans.
The closer to election day, R-ass gradually falls into line with similar numbers as their non-partisan competitors using actual polling.
It's a bogus outfit.
10 to 15% of republicans will vote for
Harry Reid.
Moderate republicans.
Harry Reid wins.
Angle's understanding of the Constitution and the theory of separation of powers clearly surpasses the majority of the group combined.
City Center very similar to the City of Las Vegas (City Hall). Add the temporary construction jobs, and the City keeps firing the 'real jobs'.
She is absolutely correct with disbanding the federal control of education. Any one who disagrees should read the most moronic piece of legislation written in the past 20 years, 'The no child left behind Act'. Simply atrocious.
Do you disagree that education should be regulated on a state and local level, rather than a federal one?
teamster, do u have any facts to back that up?
I used to live in Phoenix but relocated a few months ago to Austin, Texas. I thought I knew a thing or two about crazy right wing politicians, but this Sharron Angle woman is absolutely NUTS. Nevada would do the nation a huge disservice by electing her. Her views are fascist at best, and to find out her husband is drawing a Federal pension and she has these views...that's beyond belief.
Nevada, please do NOT elect this wacko lady to the Senate. How anyone could think Harry Reid sucks is beyond me. But I tend to think the Democrats are too far to the right, and that they need to put the screws to Big Business even more than what they are.
Gogowhitesox, you seem to also be an extreme right wing wacko, and your views do NOT represent the majority of Nevadans I have met over the years.
1. Conservatives have NO idea what "socialism" really is. Socialism means total government seizure of major business and worker control of those businesses, like what Hugo Chavez is doing with some industries in Venezuela.
2. I am of the opinion that we need MORE government takeover of greedy big businesses that hoard money and sit on cash and refuse to spend and refuse to hire - NOT less.
3. I am of the opinion that we need more "welfare" in this country, NOT less. People need the "helping hand", especially now.
4. I am of the opinion that the sad state of the national economy is NOT the fault of liberals, but of conservatives of BOTH parties who pandered to Big Business and their aversion to paying their fair share of taxes, and building up cash reserves to fatten the "golden parachutes".
5. I am of the opinion that if you are a small business, I can see getting some tax breaks to help you get off the ground, but if you can't afford to hire people AND pay a fair share of taxes, you cannot afford to be in business. PERIOD.
6. Big Business and the capitalist class are grossly undertaxed. The tax rate was a LOT higher in the '50s and '60s - our period of greatest overall prosperity as a nation, a time when a factory worker could buy a house in the suburbs and afford to have his wife stay at home and raise the kids.
6a. Real wages have plummeted since the 1970's because greedy Big business decided the people weren't good enough to pay them a decent wage - let's replace 'em with robots and cheap labor from Mexico and China so we can get richer and richer. And let's get a GOP president in there like Reagan who'll cut taxes by 2/3rds. We'll be RICH!!!! They'll be poor!!!
I could go on and on, but the conservative movement is the reason for our mess and the conservative movement MUST be stopped DEAD in its tracks before we all starve to death. This is serious.
gogo sayssays
"Why don't you talk about something you know about - like endorsing government checks and the best way to "Game" the welfare system. Just keep your mouth shut about farming - it's out of your league.
toto a personperson with over 85 years of agriculture experience, including degrees in Agronomy, Biology, Botany, Animal Husbandry.
I taught there at Ames before you were around, smart guy. One of my cattle feed lots was gobbled up by Phillips Petroleum back in the early seventies when they came by about dinner time and told me the anthracite deposits would fetch me $25 M. It changed my farming practices a bit there gogo.
Then I got involved in methane digesters. We'd move the piles to an augur at the side of the feed lot and run it into the digester, stir and when the sensor said 'Fire' we'd burn that CH4 and crank out the juice. POOF, the sun-grass-cattle-methane-lectricity chain came HOME!
My developments had all been kinda cookie cutter. I finally went big and boy was it fun.
Thanks for the insight into your troubled soul. Here's a tip: buy Building Performance stocks - Nevada will start having energy audits as mandatory requirements with real estate transfer in a few months. That'll spur energy retrofits and your clients can feel GREEN and green. LOL
Sharon Angle cant admit Harry Reid did anything good casue the only poin she runs on is that Harry Reid is worst then her.
Airweare,
You don't know the difference between Lincoln Way and the Milky Way. As far as teaching goes, that I believe.
Those that can't do, Teach.
The "Green" business is a sham and the attempts to implement it drove Spain into the ground. Try getting a degree in Economics some time and you'll realize the disaster taking place in this country.
Actually I do believe something else. You know how to shovel methane by-products - maybe you did spend some time on a feed lot doing that - because you sure shovel a lot of it here.
gogo,
Actually this Building Performance statute ain't news. It's been on the books since 07. They're doing it in Austin, TX and all over Missouri and elsewhere in spots.
Back a couple of decades I worked with a Senator to mandate an off-the-shelf DOE test to ensure a safe indoor environment with RE purchase in the name of Full Disclosure, a tenet of RE law. Really pissed off the gas company and real estate lobbies. They fought hard and squashed me. but guess what? We're baaa-aack! Even here in Nevada, people care about their next breath!
So the upshot is the resilience of our interest in air quality despite the energy penalty involved. This is a good sign!
"Don't choo know that what choo breathe you ARE!"
Gogo is Henderson, right?
So green is bad, but fossils are good, right?
Economics is good but Biology, Botany, Physics, Chemistry, Ethics, Psychology - all BAD!
Gravity fails and negativity don't pull you through.
gogo, you need to pray son. yer attitude begs for some enlightenment. You seem so all alone out there in hateville.
I am in "shock and awe" that this woman (tangle Angle) has ANY following, much less, support from even nut-jobs in Nevada!! The Republican Party, over the last decade, has helped the sane and rational of us, in this USA (and, unfortunately, the rest of the planet), realize just how huge the number of brain-dead walking among us is!! It scares the holy crap out of me something serious!! Talk about a "rude awakening",this is all shameful stuff and I'm embarrassed that these wacked-out Republicans exist to represent such a huge part of our country!!
gogo is the Sun's equivalent of a busted well-head spewing crude into the sea of joy.
Hey Mark K,
me too dude. I smell all this ignorance, twisted hateful well-heads of putrefaction, sans decency, sans understanding, sans humanity.
Well, as much as all of you are bickering about how much the Republicans are liars or the Democrats are brain dead, You have to vote what you believe in.
Personally, I don't believe that people should get unemployment benefits forever. As bad as this economy is, if you are out of work more than 3 months, perhaps you should be using a different approach in looking for work. What happens, people prefer getting unemployment benefits instead of stepping up their game.
We've spent so many millions of dollars fighting a "nuclear storage depot" when we could have built a nuclear reprocessing facility and we'd be bringing in the high tech "green jobs" that I keep hearing about. This has been a big political sinkhole for money over the past 20 years.. By the way, those nuclear power plants back east from the '70s, aren't they still working?? Why aren't we pumping them out to help ease our dependance on foreign oil?
You can say that George Bush or Harry Reid or whoever, was the reason the economy is the way it is.. The bottom line, it's GREED... Lots of people were making sure that they were "getting theirs" while the economy was doing great.. And then in '07, when gas hits $4 a gallon, and business have to start cutting back, THAT's when the bottom started to fall out of the grocery bag so to speak.. Everything started cascading from there.
And for all of you Dems that complain about the liars that the Republicans are, just remember you're messiah campaigned on the new tone and transparency that he was going to bring to Washington.. No more lobbiests.. He's brought a new tone to this whole country.. Ram a healthcare law that nobody wants and bankrupts the country, seize any business that isn't run the way he wants it.. Make nice, nice with his muslim terrorist brothers (notice he says "Holy Koran" but never says Holy Bible?) Yeah, we got that change.. BTW, what happened to that 8% max unemployment we were supposed to see??
Let's vote them all out and start over.. Can't do any worse than what we have now..
Step back through the looking glass, Aireweare. One, there is no such thing as global warming. It is a hoax perpetrated by the ecologists and book-smart literati like you to move an ECONOMIC product. Gee, even the rub-down king's net worth has gone from less than $2M to over $100M because of the fraud jammed down the public's troat.
"Hateville"? That would be the community that is trying to run Sharron Angle out of town on a rail. I keep reading those wonderful critiques of Ms. Angle and am amazed at the nastiness of the posters - including you. Taking shots at her appearance, supposed intelligence, etc.
You, if you were legit, would understand that to turn your back on the discussion of ideas destroys the opportunity to move forward. I know you are a fraud because you take an extremely shallow view of Angle and just mouth the same old tired rhetoric that is put out by the eite media.
Chris Matthews conducted an interview with Richard Wolfe and Howard Feinstein yesterday. All noted liberals. Chris called Sharron Angle a "Whacko" and the other two dutifully nodded their heads in unison. Just goes to show that all of you supposedly enlightened individuals are just a bunch of sheep.
Sharron Angle will win because you don't need to have a degree in Biology, Physiology, Radiology or Animal Husbandry to understand that the policies of Harry Reid, Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi are driving this country into the ground.
That would be a THINKING man's position - not a member of the Democratic flock!
Teamster,
15% of Democrats will vote for Sharron Angle. 25% voted "Other" in the Democratic Primary. Barack Obama's approval rating amongst Independents is 38%. How many of those 62% Disapproval are going to vote for Reid - very few.
Your boy is cooked. He got a free pass to spew his attack ads for a few weeks. Now Angle and the RNC will start fighting back. Everyone will be reminded of what a failure Harry Reid has been for Nevada.
Adios, Senor Carpetbagger Reid, wasn't a pleasure knowing you!
Hey, airweare, if ANYTHING you say is true and you are over eighty years of age, I hope you don't get sick. With the placing of Dr. Death, ooops Dr. Berwick, in charge of Medicare and Medicade you're going to have your plug pulled!
And Harry said there would be no rationing of health care! Another lie that will surely cause some of you seniors to die before the bureaucracy.
gogo got something right. Here's the scoop. I know because I CHANNELED it. Gore got fat from the nukies. They found his weak spot (the climate change under the sheet!); a perfect storm of several elements, gogo, combined here: environmentalists, nanny-staters, industry, energy providers, et al, and they cooked up the instant replay of the inundation of Atlantis, scared the heebie jeebies out of a populace of vocals, totally controlled the garbage-in side and let the green revolution catch a spring breeze and ray of sunlight, believing we are going to power this gluttonous economy of self-satiation, diversion and ephemeral frolic with beams and breezes. HOO HAA HOO, jeez, the sense of proportion is so whacked!
Solar constant = ~430 BTUs a sq ft/hr; gallon of diesel ~140,000 BTUs. So, wanna race your solar bike against my diesel maxo one-ton? I'll even hook up my boat!
And these guys made a deal. Alright, Al. They won't know for fifty years and you'll be gone bud. Angelpussy here, will finish you off when you sign the check. Oh, and it includes the movie deal, the guaranteed Hollywood thing and that Nobel you always wanted. Think about it!
Lady gogo,
Angle and the RNC?
It will be interesting to see Tom Steele and the Wrong Angle working hand in hand. I'll bet Angle wears a disposable glove.
I hope I don't get sick too bro.
Think of these lonely women if I should be laid up alone for a week or two. They'd all be moping.
See after about ninety the sex drive trails off a bit, down to ten or twenty times a week. So I try to ration my juices, so to speak. I don't cultivate a garden anymore, but I do cultivate gardeners!
gogoblacksoxs calls Harry Reid a "carpetbagger." That's funny considering the fact that my little buddy gogo has been in Nevada for such a short period of time.....
Hmmmmmm.....I wonder who the true "carpetbagger" really is?
Sharron Angle is a true light-weight. She's a woman with out a concise and logical thought in that thing that sets just above her shoulders...
The true gogo is coming out.....It appears he's a step son of Ron Paul, and a cousin of our own poster, Gibby the Cato guy.....
I wonder if gogo, like Gibby, is getting paid to post the crap that he does?
I have known a good number of people from Iowa during my life time, and there's very few of them who are as opinionated or as arrogant as gogo....
Maybe gogo was actually run out of the "Hawkeye State?"
Of course, he could have left on his own once he had played one too many innings as a baseball catcher, without protective gear.... That's my guess!
Doesn't gogo remind you of that older and loveable character on "Cheers" who was always befuddled and lost in a fog.....what was his name?
Oh, now I remember.....he was named "coach."
His claim to fame was that he was a master at getting on first base as a player by deliberately taking a pitch to the head...
Does that describe our current gogo?
What if the sock is still on base somewhere in Illi?
And he's making bank posting vacuous vitriol aimed at center sense and sensibility.
a busted well-head a crude, puking in paradise.
a think tank cannon w/ a penchant for loose and loud
I see what you mean, El_Lobo. It does quack like the gibby.
this family of Dems. are not voting for Harry amnesty Reid. We do not want the point man for Obamas policies in Washinton any longer,say goodby Harry.
I HAVE ONLY ONE QUESTION...CAN SOMEONE PLEASE ANSWER IT FOR ME...WHAT PLANET IS THIS WOMAN FROM AND WHEN DID SHE ARRIVE HERE? SORRY THAT'S LIKE TWO QUESTIONS...
The carpetbagger nonsense is where he begins losing credibility, where princess gogo loses credibility is the next word he types.
"Reid was born in Searchlight, Nevada, the son of Inez and Harry Reid, a miner in the camp 50 miles southeast of Las Vegas. He attended Basic High School in Henderson, Nevada, where he boarded in town and played football and was an amateur boxer. While at Basic he met future Nevada governor Mike O'Callaghan, who was a teacher there. Reid attended Southern Utah University and Utah State University.
Reid graduated from George Washington University Law School with a J.D. while working for the United States Capitol Police. He returned to Nevada after law school and served as Henderson city attorney before being elected to the Nevada Assembly in 1968. In 1970, at age 30, Reid was chosen by O'Callaghan as his running mate for Lieutenant Governor of Nevada.
1966--1981
Reid and his mentor O'Callaghan won the race and Reid served as lieutenant governor until 1974, when he ran for the U.S. Senate seat being vacated by Alan Bible. He lost by fewer than 600 votes to former Governor Paul Laxalt. In 1975, Reid ran for mayor of Las Vegas and lost again, this time to Bill Briare.
Reid then served as chairman of the Nevada Gaming Commission from 1977 to 1981, a post that subjected him to death threats. Jack Gordon also tried to bribe Reid. Reid allowed the FBI to tape Gordon's attempt to bribe him with $12,000. Reid lost his temper and attempted to choke Gordon, "You son of a bitch, you tried to bribe me!", and was pulled off by FBI agents. Gordon was convicted in United States district court in 1979 and sentenced to six months in prison. In 1981, Reid's wife found a bomb attached to one of their cars, a bomb Reid suspects was placed by Gordon.
U.S. Representative: 1983--1987
Prior to the 1980 Census, Nevada had only a single at-large member in the United States House of Representatives, but population growth in the 1970s resulted in the state picking up a second district. Reid won the Democratic nomination for the 1st district, based in Las Vegas, in 1982, and easily won the general election. He served two terms in the House, from 1983 to 1987.
U.S. Senator: since 1987
Looks like a full time citizen of Nevada to me.
A good point made over at the Review Journal in the comments. Reid has been senator for 24 years--22 of those years Nevada had unprecedented growth. For many years Las Vegas was the fastest-growing city in the country.
Does he get credit for that, or just demerits for the last 2 years when not just Nevada but the whole world has been in a recession?
Las Vegas thrives when people have enough discretionary income to take a vacation--and vice versa. It is unfair to blame Senator Reid for that.
I'm impressed by the number of jobs he saved by interceding with the banks to save the City Center project--tens of thousands. Clark Co. unemployment would have been a hell of a lot worse.
Ah, the rhetoric is getting nastier and nastier. Harry Reid is NOT a Nevadan, he's a citizen of Washington, D.C. He ex-patriated himself from Navada long, long ago. His allegiances lay with the DNC and pushing their socialist agenda - nothing more. He sold out Nevadans to bribe the Nelsons and Landrieu and he'd do it again in a minute.
A Carpetbagger exploits a group of people for his own personal and political profit. THe definition fits to a "T". The Senator is a Carpetbagger of the highest degree. If you don't believe me go talk to the Senator - in his Ritz-Carlton penthouse apartment paid for with cash. Pretty tasty on a $197,000 per year salary.
But that's O.K. - you mindless parrots (and that was my reference to Buffett, Jeff, you are a "parrothead" but weren't quick enough to figure it out) want to not hold ole' Harry accountable for ANYTHING and believe EVERYTHING the Carpetbagger says - that's your right as a citizen. I, for one, would prefer to see actions equate to the words and promises.
For example, Harry insisted that Medicare and Medicade would never have rationing. "Absurd", the Carpetbagger said. "We will never have a health care system like Great Britain, I promise you". Now we see the Administration putting in the biggest advocate of the British system on the planet. He will install panels to determine levels of treatment. He will install price controls that will ration care. But will you mindless parrots hold Carpetbagger Harry responsible? Absolutely not.
Thank you, sir, may I have another.
Which is why I don't take any of you seriously. This is interesting just to see the abject stuipidity of supposed learned Americans who will believe ANYTHING. You make my point every day...
jw456, Considering that Senator Reid voted AGAINST almost every pro-business bill in those twenty two years while we had growth and, when he became Senate leader, the great Recession began, I believe your thought process is backward.
I'm impressed that his anti-business policies have only caused Clark county to have 135,000 unemployed. People in Nevada are more resilient than I thought.
Jeff Imelt
Mort Zuckerman
Ivan Seidenberg
All Democratic supporters in 2008...
All say the Obama Administration is the most anti-business Administration in history.
The list keeps growing....
Of unemployed!
I think it's time for me and my fellow progressive friends here at the Sun forum to ignore the out-to-lunch troll known as ladygogo. It'll drive him/her even crazier than he/she already is.
He/she is a sad, starved-for-attention social outcast with no real life outside of blogging and there's no possibility of having an intelligent discussion with a rabid lunatic.
Gogo, anyone who says the "Obama Administration is the most anti-business Administration in history" either doesn't remember the FDR administration or is simply mad that we might go to a FAIR, progressive taxation system where those who are able to pay taxes (individuals and corporations) actually get to PAY them.
I'm all for Hugo Chavez-style nationalization of corporate assets in the name of creating jobs, but I KNOW that's a non-starter even for Democrats. It would work, but it's a non-starter. I guess we'll just have to settle for double-digit unemployment for another 20 years.
Hugo Chavez? Are you serious? Do you realize that "Nationalization" is also part of one government control.
If you lived in Venezuela and wrote a post like that criticizing the government the government would be knocking on your door and escorting you to the bastille.
That's what you want?
Please, please, Throes ...don't ignore me. I want to be part of your group of campfire girls squealing about how those big, bad companies are treating you bad. I want to be part of your crying about the heartless Republicans who won't let you stay out late and won't give you your allowance because the economy is bad. I want to be part of your little girlie group who call the other girls not in your group "Ugly" or have "Weird smiles" or are "Whacko".
Please, please, I'll miss your infantile exchanges so much I might not be able to sleep at night.
Then again, I may grow up and be a productive member of society.
The hand writing is on the wall & its starting to drive the "Harry Reid haters" crazy....
More and more of the voters are starting to see Sharron Angle for what she truly is.....a political light-weight who is truly in over her head.
Her stand on Social Security, Medicare, education and many other issues are clearly out of step with most Americans...
Harry will win re-election come November. I don't look for the contest to be very close....
El_Loco,
Do you have another set of talking points you can break out. Same old thing all the time:
Harry Reid will win....it won't be close....She's a nut......political light weight......
Geez, is there ever an original thought?
It really doesn't wmatter if the Carpetbagger survives unless it keeps the Republcans from taking the Senate in 2012. It might actually be fun watching Harry play the part of the leader of the "Party of No" in 2013.
The house is gone. That means that the role of your revered Senator Reid will be INCONSEQUENTIAL if he is re-elected, which most pollsters say he won't be.
Here's your House assessment from Charlie Cook - the most respected pollster in politics:
http://www.cookpolitical.com/node/7559
As noted in an article in the National Review, Cook has advised the Dems that the "House is Gone"
Now the Dems want to jam through as much nonsense in a lame-duck session as they possibly can...
The American public will love that - the Dems will destroy themselves for the next twenty years if they haven't done it already!
El_Loco, Are you and Teamster the same guy? It seems that you both regurgitate the same mindless spiel day after day after day....
You need to get together with the rest of the girls and come up with some NEW catty comments for Sharron Angle.
gogo outcast,
You're good at what you do. You antagonize but stimulate. Kinda catches one's attention with what bizarre ideas you've rigged up. You're nothing but a baiter, gogo, a master baiter.
likely a soldier of fortune at her keyboard.
Reminds me of bagworms. Gramma would pay us a penny for each bagworm, but we had to give her back a DIME for every bagworm left on the bushes.
Go, gogo, get them bagworms, every one!
gogo:
Teamster should not be part of your rudeness and antisocial rantings.
He is a pretty smart guy or girl in almost every case and he doesn't get in anyones face.
Leave teamster out of your diatribes, it is classless and unnecessarily ignorant.
gogogreedy...............
The RNC is a joke and a total failure.
The crazy teabaggers are total failures.
The BUSH DEPRESSION is why Nevada has high
unemployment.
Sharron Angle is a total wack-job.
HARRY REID WINS BY A LANDSLIDE.
gogo, Maybe a baiter is not accurate. More accurate is buller. as you know from being a farm kid, a buller is a steer hanging around the feed lot and waggin its tail around and getting other steers to mount and hump.
It makes 'em happy, sorta. Justa funny game, a sideshow, a distraction.
too much estrogen in most bullers I ever fed
We finally have a great president and a great
majority leader.
Like President Obama said, the republicans drove
us into the ditch and we're not giving them
back the keys.
@gogo
Don't worry about what we are saying about your nutcase candidate Angle. YOU should be very worried about Angle whenever she opens her mouth.
There is not enough backtracking that can help her clean her image and the wacko ideas that have spewed from her ignorant mouth.
BRAVO REPUKEBLICANS!!!!
I'm just waiting for you girls to get around to posting commentary on what Sharron Angle is wearing!
I can hear it now:
"My God, she wore a blue dress yesterday, She's Crazy"
"Doesn't she knOw she's supposed to be wearing florals!"
SHARRON ANGLE IS A WHACKO!!!!
BOY ARE YOU GIRLS GOING TO BE UPSET WHEN THE CARPETBAGGER IS SENT PACKING!!!
Aireweare, I bet the only end of a bull you've ever seen is the back end and had it's tail lifted to help you out....
nitro, you are advocating serfdom for the workers of the USA. We were once a high wage economy and the money filled up the coffers of the working class, the middle class and the upper class, Federal, state, and local governments.
If our manufacturing wages were as low as the manufacturing wages of China, then we would be in the position of not being able to buy what was being produced for those products that are above the necessities.
There should be free trade in raw materials only, not the manufactured goods.
Who benefits from the free? but unfair trade? Importers, Retailers, manufacturing companies that locate to where there is cheap labor, shipping companies, multinational companies that control the trade.
Who loses? The workers in the USA who lost high paying manufacturing jobs, Federal, state,& local governments, the citizens, and all the services they provide.
Within the ranks of the radical extremist party, Queen Sharron Angle wears no clothes--just like puppet bush.
Why would any self respecting woman vote for Angle? Guess what Gogo - WE WON'T
We won't vote for a woman who would force us to "make lemons out of lemonade" after rape.
We won't vote for a woman who would force our Dr. to lie to us.
We won't vote for a woman who believes women should be forced to rely on a man rather than herself.
We won't vote for a woman who would vote to refuse protection orders for domestic violent offenders to be upheld in our state.
We won't vote for a woman who OBVIOUSLY hates other women.
Nitro,
Nice summation of the screwing of the American middle class. Now if we could get that story out, and show who wants to continue it, Glenn Beck would be selling hot dogs at the 51's games next year.
nitro, I apologize for speaking too hasty in my first sentence.
Where is the url or title for that article?
Jen
Sharron Angle CANNOT force you to have a child after rape.
Sharron Angle CANNOT force your doctor to lie to you.
Sharron Angle is running for the Senate - oviously she doesn't rely on a man herself.
Sharron Angle has never advocated a refusal to follow protection orders.
Stop drinking the Kool Aid and reading the Harry Reid headlines and INVESTIGATE her real positions BEFORE you spew the "Party" line. Try something, be an EDUCATED VOTER instead of a knee-jerk Democrat like the rest of the mindless monkeys on these posts.
What Sharron Angle WILL DO:
Vote AGAINST more and more spending.
Vote FOR tax reductions to help Nevadans get jobs
Vote for Tax relief for small businesses to help them survive and flourish - thus hiring workers.
I guarantee you she will DO the things I mention, She has NO POWER to do the things you list.
For all you people who think Obama walks on water, here's an article from the New Orleans Time-Picayune that outlines how INEPT the administration has been in getting skimmers in the Gulf - and the impact of the Jones Act protecting unions:
http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/...
A complete disgrace.
LOL - Gogo - you truly are an idiot.
Really, she didn't introduce the bill to force Dr's to lie about a link between abortion and breast cancer? Really?
She does advocate women staying at home, and relying on a man - ITS ON HER WEBSITE!
She voted against the bill for protection orders.
Lemons out of Lemonade gogo - again, really? What kind of woman would say something like that - it makes me want to throw up. You want your daughter to be forced to carry a rapists child?
SHARON HATES WOMEN - that is a FACT.
Republiscum continue TO LIE about spending. I guess it's only okay to spend to murder people though. Let's deregulate the oil industry further, that's a great idea!! Jobs? Not my job! - That's right, Angle hates the government, but wants to be one of them. She advocates "Second Amendment remedies to "take out" Reid. What a great lady she is!
You scream about tax relief, but that's ALL YOU HEAR. Guess what gogo, you pay less taxes than almost everyone in the NATION!! Who cares, what good is it doing for you now? Casinos in Nevada pay the lowest amount of taxes in the FREAKING WORLD, and they're still laying off. Mining industry taxes? JOKE - Personal income taxes? WE HAVE NONE - so gogo, what taxes are you talking about? Do you even know? Do you have any idea the garbage you spew on a daily basis makes NO SENSE AT ALL?
Guess it won't matter, cause there's NO WAY your crazy mother will get elected!!
Go Harry Go!!!
I just don't know why everyone is screaming over this dame...obviously the medication is not working and she needs to get it adjusted.The obvious signs are her babbling...
Sharron Angle's belief system is not that far off from the Taliban's: Suppression of the right of a woman to make her own choices, impoverishment of those without political power, religious law taking precedence over state and federal law, and the complete absence of empathy for anyone less fortunate.
Wow, you are one angry and irrational woman, Jen.
Really, the bill introduced by Sharron Angle mandated Doctors to give false information to women about a link between abortion and breast cancer?
NOT.
She believes that women rasing children at home is an honorable way to live your life. Wow, what a concept. I guess my Mom hates women also because she stayed at home to raise us five kids and was proud to do so.
YOUR ASSERTION IS PATHETIC.
Republicans LIE about spending. That's right, Democrats don't spend any money. That's why the debt incurred just this year will be over $1 Trillion dollars. But that is a made up number - it's all a ploy by the Republicans to get elected.
TAXES.
You're right. They, too, are fictional. That means that next April 15th I can do nothing and there will be no consequences. That's because they don't exist! Oh, Happy Day!! (I'll tell the IRS that you gave me the word)
You're another looney tune and the Den Mother of the other ridiculous group of out-of-touch liberals that continually post their irrational screeching hate-filled nonsense on this post....but it is amusing.
After you're done burning your bra and the hallucinogenics have worn off, think about posting a reply.
"No new taxes" and "tax cut" pledges have been used by every radical extremist "pretend to be" republicans starting with Reagan and then Bush Sr, and puppet bush jr.
They are bribing the unthinking selfish people just to get their vote. When the tax cut comes most of the citizens are left out abd the cuts go mainly to the rich and very rich> The bush/cheney tax cuts for the richest 400 have totaled over $700,000,000,00
The richest taxpayer pays less in taxes, as a percentage, than their middle class employees. They also get tax loopholes and they locate offshore where they have tax havens. They pay their profits there but they post their losses in the USA. In the Cayman Islands there is a building that has 18,000 addresses for corporations and wealthy people. There are other tax havens such as Monaco and Switzerland.
Many of the richest own large amounts of stocks in defense contractors, pharmaceutical companies, health care companies,oil companies
and other corporations.
There were many no-bid and inflated contracts in Iraq, Afghanistan, and the privatization of our government. The rich and very rich own some of these companies and are also very large stockholders.
These Corporations, the rich and very rich receive subsidies in agriculture, oil companies, pharmaceutical,energy, health care and other companies.
They not only get their lunch for free, they get their breakfast and dinner free also at the expense of the middle and working class.
Much of the money they get is money borrowed from foreign countries and the big Banks which is handed to them by the radical extremist "pretend to be" republican party.
They are not a political party they are a criminal party. A criminal party that has almost wrecked the USA, which will take 40 years to repair. They will not accept responsibility for the damage they have done nor will they lift as much as a little finger to help America recover. The only solution they offer to the American citizen is "No" and constant obstruction.
These "Thing" have no political legitimacy because they have shown us they are the miserable failure criminal party.
Let's see, on just the last few posts we have seen the following posted about Sharron Angle:
She hates Men
She wants to force daughters to carry rapist's children
Forces Doctors to lie to patients
Medication not working
Has the beliefs of the Taliban
Let's See, Sharron Angle is the "Whacko"?
There, but for the Grace of God, go I....
OOOPS, a religious reference...that must mean I'm a "Whacko" also!!! (With Pride)
Vidi, Nice Communist Manifesto. I believe that was the same thing Lenin was waving in Red Square in 1917. Congratulations, you are a pioneer.
By the way, Has anyone called the police department and put in a Missing Person's Report on Harry Reid.
Haven't seen any interviews - only hate ads on T.V.
Then again, I decided not to pay $600 for a plate of rubbery chicken to bow down before Barack and Harry.
And he's your "Man of the People", Vidi?
Vidi, would those "Insiders" include people who got to buy land valued at $1,500 an acre for $150? Or would that include people who utilized Federal Funds to build a bridge to increase the value of their land by threefold? Would that include people who got their kids million dollar jobs with law firms as lobbyists and who contributed to their campaigns? Would that include people who could buy a Ritz-Carlton Penthouse for cash after making $170K for the last twenty years?
Sounds like you are making a great case to elect Sharron Angle as opposed to Harry Reid who is the answer to all of the above.
The large National Debt the USA has was created mainly by Reagan, Bush Sr., and Bush Jr.Those increases are:
Reagan---186%
Bush Sr.- 62%
Clinton---36%
bush jr.--Almost 100%
The "almost" financial collapse has cost the USA 20% of it's total net worth that has taken over 200 years to create.
President Obama and the Democrats are trying to keep us from going into a deep depression but they are not getting any help from the same people that created the problem in the first place.
Those people are the Wall St. Ganksters and their Criminal party/republican allies with their narrow minded Aaha mentality of unregulated capitalism.
JenLV
I'm your number one fan. Perfect post. Laddie gogo's response was pathetic. As expected...
Nogo ddirty socks is pulling a Gibby-rish by posting misinformation and then more misinformation to try and prove the original misinformation.
When that fails , nogo dirty socks results to name calling, and argumentum ad hominem attacks.
Nogo dirt socks has no respect for women and will attack them viciously, except Sharron Angle.
Nogo dirty socks is not impressing anyone with his lies that are repeated over and over, trying to make people believe them.
Nogo diry socks reminds me of the little boy that gets caught by his mother with his hands in the cookie jar, after she told him not to, he responds by blaming her.
Whatever Gogo - I'm not irrational, and yes I'm mad as HELL a woman, or anyone for that matter, would try to force me or my daughters to carry a rapists baby, or have our Dr. lie to us. I'll bet your daughters love your position on that one! Don't worry, just tell them to "make lemonade".
But, of course in Gogo's world, that is not true.
All he can see is "no new taxes" - Which of course is nothing but a bunch of BS the republiscum followers keep falling for.
Thanks for demolishing his crazy posting Vidi! Thanks Jeff!
Vidi, for about the twentieth time I will post what you seem to not understand. If you CUT TAXES like Ronald Reagan you will incur a DEFICIT because your revenue base decreases while your expense base remains constant.
Or you can keep taxes the same and increase spending. THat means your revenue base remains constant but your expenses go up.
Both increase the deficit.
The problem with what Obama is doing is that once you set up a federally run program it is virtually impossible to kill it. Thus, you will ALWAYS have that increased expense base.
If you did what Reagan and Bush did and the economy revs up the revenue base increases to make up the difference.
Paul Krugman - the Democrats Hero - has advocated another stimulus. But he has also said that IF the stimulus works then you have to ratchet back the spending. That's the flaw in the ointment. Congress doesn't have the guts to cut anything.
So the only answer is to keep a lid on spending. Who's going to do that: Reid or Angle.
That's why Angle will win. For the first time in a long time the American people GET IT!
Do You?
Sharron Angles position is a religious conviction and not a legal one.
I'm Pro-Choice, lady, and I frankly don't know what I would do in that situation. God help me that it never comes about. But I respect other people for their religious beliefs and convictions and don't condemn them when they don't match mine.
As for destroying my post, all I saw was the screeching of a cage full of Democratic monkeys. No substance - just name calling and schoolyard antics. Get your tongues back in your mouths and the fingers out of your ears and then make a salient comment.
Until then, I'm going to see if this guy on the Reds can finish his perfect game. Then I'm going to go have dinner with two friends who are Reid supporters. Yet, they aren't "Whacko" like the people on this site.
This is so embarrasing to republicans to have this woman on the ticket against Reid, I'm gonna just say no alright,,, to her, uuuuugh totally embarrased to be a republican right now.
For all you people who are ripping sharron Angle for her personal beliefs, think about this:
Harry Reid wants to make Mormonism the National Religion.
Harry Reid is going to insist that all American Workers join a union.
Harry Reid is going to ban the use of fossil fuels as an energy source. All power will have to be environmentally clean immediately.
Harry Reid is going to ban the consumption of all red meat products due to their causing obesity and high blood pressure.
Considering the fact that the Obama/Reid/Pelosi Troika has used federal funds to ban certain foods in schools and public buildings the move toward the red meat ban doesn't seem unreasonable.
Considering that the Obama/Reid/Pelosi troika has grabbed hundres of billions of dollars to bail out unions and increased the size of the government employees unions by 400,000 people the move toward complete unionization doesn't seem so far-fetched.
Considering the taxes imposed on gas sales and the huge expenditures for "Green" energy the destruction of Big oil doesn't seem so ridiculous.
It seems to me that the "Whacko" in this race is Harry Reid! The really dangerous aspect of Senator Carpetbagger is that he is TRYING to implement these things - except the mormonism...but who knows, maybe it will be Islam which is the National Religion...
Harry will sell any part of his soul for a vote....
Holy Toledo! 214 comments and 107 of 'em are by GoGo Whitesox! Way to be politically involved!
Toward the end of Reagan's first term, they realized they needed to cut spending, raise taxes or do a combination of both. They did none of that, they went on a massive borrowing spree and then a massive spending spree to satisfy their criminal business cronies with inflated contracts.During Reagan's bout with Alzheimers in his second term, the staff took over and they really lubricated the hands of their criminal business cronies.
Bush Sr. did the same thing.
Clinton whittled the budget down and actually had a budget surplus twice which he used to pay down on the National Debt.
The USA was on course to have no debt in 10 years, but that all changed when the Criminal Enterprise of covert president cheney and puppet bush took over. They awarded no-bid and inflated contracts to just about anyone, even coaching people to get these contracts. In some cases they even had puppet contractors to oversee the contractors. Some of the contracts were not even fulfilled but they still got paid.
The rest of your comments are just more misinformation piled on top of the original misinformation.
The radical extremist "pretend to be" republicans with their narrow minded ideology of deregulated capitalism and criminal conduct helped create this economic mess we are in. The Wall St. Ganksters can share that guilt with the miserable failure of the illegitimate cheney/puppet bush miserable failure administration.
All you boot licking wingnut bloggers constantly defend the indefensible radical
extremist "pretend to be" republicans, the Wall St. Ganksters, Massey Coal Company that killed 209 miners because they were not following the safety rules, the BP Oil Company that did not even follow their own procedures that resulted in the death of 11 rig workers and the pollution of the Gulf that is equivalent of one Exxon Valdez every 5 days, and other companies as well.
Do you sycophant wingnut bloggers really think you are helping America recover and become a better country by your constant telling of lies over and over in an attempt to make people believe you. Why do you want to support the same people that have proven themselves to be miserable failures?
You see, Vidi, you almost have a point until you start with the complete nonsense of the "bout with alzheimers".
Do you realize how stupid you sound when you throw that nonsense into your posts. Nobody with a brain can take you seriously when you pepper your thoughts with statments that show ignorance like that.
And anybody that would sit there and nod thier heads are just as idiotic as you are.
If you gave this post to ten, reasonably sane people they would UNANIMOUSLY indicate that the person writing this crap is a total moron and "whack job".
And you think Sharron Angle is nuts - you're certifiable!!!
Poor, poor, pitiful nogo dirty socks is boo hooing and resorting to name calling and insults because he cannot stand the truth.
I can tell from your post and your response to other posters that you are immature. One of the problems you have is that you have never "self actualized."
You expect people to believe the garbage heap of misinformation with the cherry on top. You try to convince everybody that it is an "ice cream sundae" Most of the people on this thread can see through all the Gibby-rish you post and you get upset when they do not.
Do you need to go to an anger management class?
Do you drink and snort too much?
nitro, do you know what the economic term of "dumping" means?
After the NAFTA trade agreement was signed, large American and large Mexican corp[orate farms "dumped" agricultural products in the Mexican market at a price below the cost the average Mexican farmer. They could not compete and went out of business. There were over a million of these farmers that had no source of income. So, what do you think they did? They immigrated into the arms of the conservative business community that wanted cheap labor for their bottom line and to drive American worker's wages down.
China does basically the same thing by pegging their currency low so they gain an advantage in trade. They take our money and then buy from other countries, not us.
Is gogowhitesox actually LarryVegas? Sure appears that way....
LarryVegas disappears from the board one day and then gogo suddenly shows up in his place....
Is gogo getting paid to post? If he is, then he made some big bucks on this thread.....
It's a shame that he didn't actually say anything that makes sense.....
El-Lobo, nogo dirty socks is more than one person posting under the same name. Maybe NPRI/NV has a bank of computers set up, or another group such as "the club for growth" or even the goose stepping sycophants of Breitbart. These unscrupulous beings will stop at nothing.
nitro, Does the same apply to you? Have you been "self actualized" or do you not know what the term means? Do you think that a person shows ignorance when they respond to a term when they do not even know what the term means?
GOGO...does a lot of name calling...it's comical reading his rage...
Angle Opponents: Why are you fiercely arguing with GoGo? I'm an Applied Mathematician engaging in statistics every day...based on all of the preceding dialogue and considering the legitimate sample size here, I'd say Angle has an incredibly small chance of winning in November. Negligible, really...
Hmmm.... I think you may be right El_Lobo!
Hey Larry (er,,, gogo) if your mother Sharon claims her "pro-life' view is purely religious and not political, then why did she try to legislate our Dr's LIE to us in our State? HMM????
OH, and while your at it, please explain the bizarre definition of "Separation of Church and State" that your mommy has? Please???
I agree florishes, it does appear silly to argue with this person, but honestly, it really is fun to tear this nasty little man's idiotic opinions to shreds!
Actually, Reagan's spending on the military accomplished 2 things. One, he helped rebuild the military that Carter had decimated during his term. Two, he outspent the USSR until it was forced into bankruptsy and caused the Cold War to end... All without firing a shot. What did Bush Jr do, spent money to replenish the military after Clinton had cut it during his term.
No matter what Republicans do, Dems are going to bash and vice versa. That's why we have a Republican for a couple of terms, then a term for the Democrats.. Nobody will ever be happy.. If someone get's a tax cut, the wrong person gets it.. Let's scrap the progressive income tax and make the tax rate 15% for EVERYONE. Stop all of these earned income handouts and then there will be no reason to complain about how the "rich" pay no taxes.
Actually my name isn't Larry and there is no rage in my posts. I, in fact, get a real charge inciting you liberal loons to express your deepest, darkest, sickest and most twisted thoughts. I'm sure there are other people who read this stuff and can't believe the fanatical hate and fear of the inevitable election of a Republican House and in 2012 a Republican Senate and President.
There is a lot of hostility in all your posts as you twist and squirm against the inevitable rejection of your childlike assertions of those whacked out and insane laced condemnations of Sharron Angle.
There is one difference between what I post and what you liberal loons post. My views can be aired in public and be countered with some serious debate. Your arguments, on the other hand, are easily voiced on an anonymous blog where nobody knows your name and you can type in the most ourageous, offensive, ridiculous, hate-filled nonsense because you aren't accountable.
You all realize that if you said these things in public people would look at you like you had three eyes. People would never take you seriously and, in fact, question your sanity. Therefor you have to vent in this atmosphere where you can feel safe. That, of course, makes you all cowards...but we all knew that anyway.
Stay on the blog and in your homes, lunatics. It's not safe for you out there!
Carter did not decimate the US military. He canceled the B-1 bomber, that was plagued with problems and invested the money in the Stealth program which was very effective in the first Iraq War and in the Serbia conflict. No pilots lives were lost.
There is always a cooked up reason to justify robbing the taxpayers and then transferring the funds to business cronies in the military industrial complex/defense contractors.
The illegitimate government of covert president cheney and puppet bush went all out and awarded no-bid and inflated contracts to contractors in Iraq, Afghanistan, and in the privatization of our government at the expense of the taxpayers.
Just type in "Eisenhower's warnings" about the growing threat of the military industrial complex and demagoguery.
When the war mongers and the war profiteers join together watch out.They love "forever" wars because they can make so much money.
Do you like to be controlled by fear and lies?
At present the average tax rate in the USA is less than 13%, which is not enough to pay the bills and deficits occur.
Form your own opinions and form them as true as you can.
Now, nogo dirty socks is trying to rationalize all his misinformation,and telling us that he is 180 degrees from what he actually is. It is he that is filled with hate and demagoguery. Boo Hoo all you want, try to intimidate us all you want, post misinformation all you want, but do not expect us to believe you or be intimidated by you.
Your super ego is over-inflated and you have to keep huffing and puffing to maintain that weak super-ego.
Why don't you go to en.wikipedia and type in "ego defense mechanisms" and see what mechanisms you are over using.
Anytime that you can learn something new about yourself you will be a better person.
Where are your values, your integrity, and your honor?
I would have absolutely NO PROBLEM going anywhere in public to ask my questions Gogo, Larry, whatever your name may be - you my friend may have a bit more trouble than I...
Republiscum had enough time to ruin our nation. Don't worry Larry, we're still in the process of TAKING BACK OUR COUNTRY!
Tell me, vidi, how many people have you regaled with your theory that Reagan had alzheimers in office and the people around him took that opportunity to steal money from the American taxpayer?
How many people have you told that Dick Cheney and George Bush ran some giant conspiracy to defraud the public and all your wild conspiracy theories regarding BP, Massey Coal and Big Oil?
How many people, Vidi, have you told that Angle endorses the rape of women and the desire on her part to pass legislation to stop the abortion of those babies?
How many people, Vidi, have you told that Angle wants to reintroduce Prohibition?
I would guess you don't make those statements in public too often because you KNOW you would sound like a loon. But here, on this blog with the safety of anonymity, you can freely blather all your conspiracy theories and hate-filled speech.
You, sir, are a coward.
The other thing that is interesting is that you have NEVER posted a comment on why you think we should vote for Harry Reid. Never posted a comment about how you support his giant spending. Never a word about the health care bill. Never a word about any real accompishments that he has moved forward. All we hear are irrational rants about Sharron Angle. Interesting.
Jen ,
How many people have you told your assertion that Sharron Angle wants to pass law that would protect rapist's babies?
I'm going to guess NONE. You know darned well that if you made that statement to anyone in public you would have a guy with a net chasing you.
But then again, maybe you do......
Jen,
Republicans are taking back the House and then the Senate and Presidencyin 2012. Your run of wanton spending and capitalist destruction is over.
Here are all the polls to show you're going to get creamed:
http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-s.........
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/.........
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/.........
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c.........
I know you won't look at them because you don't want to face the truth. If you really had some intellectual curiosity you would review the material, but that might stop you from your name calling and wild assertions.
Ignorance is bliss!
gogogreedy's rants are the best example of
republican spin on this post.
His extremism will always be a minority view.
This extreme teabaggerism is against everything
rational Americans hold near and dear.
Harry Reid's Democratic integrity and
accomplishments will easily put him over the
top in November.
Teamster, you can hold onto your jaded views and twisted logic. I'll go by the numbers which show the Democratic Party getting slammed in November. And it's going to get worse as Sir Harry has to pass at least three more spending bills to keep the socialist agenda afloat.
If you're counting on Carpetbagger Harry's
"integrity" you have lost already!!!
Accomplishments - there aren't any of note.
Your cupboard is bare!!!
vidiveritas is right on the money about the Chinese "miracle". It's not about cheap wages, it's all about cheap currencies. Countries that produce the cheapest goods, and wages, are backward basket cases and have the cheapest currencies. Even though China is no longer a basket case they have manipulated their currency to keep it artificially low. China recently said they were going to allow their currency to rise and now their export driven manufacturers are worried they cannot compete even with their cheap wages. The Chinese government subsidises companies that export. The Chinese steel industry is all shook up because those subsidies may also end when the currency rises and they are worried they can no longer compete without them.
All you people out there who believe the American working person can't compete because he gets paid too much listen up. Those cheap wage countries rely heavily on bodies. I watched one program where about a dozen Chinese, part of a huge body count minimal automation factory, spend hours hand loading a container. Taking boxes from the building and carrying them across the parking lot to the container. No dock. No forklifts. In the same situation one American worker with a forklift would do the job is less than an hour. One worker at a Foxconn factory, a huge Chinese employer, published parts of his diary where he talked about his long days taking 4 pads and applying them by hand to computer mice. In this country an unmanned machine would do this in a fraction of the time and cost. That mantra about we can't compete with those cheap wages is propaganda put out by ignorant economists espousing their warped religion and employers looking for bigger bonuses.
Star Trek is fiction just like the idea that those products made in China magically appear in our warehouses. No Scotty did not beam them over. The shipping and handling on the planes, trains, and trucks is not cheap. When the world economy recovers oil is going to the moon again and so will shipping rates. Even without oil going up increased shipping will raise shipping rates as the law of supply & demand kicks in. Warehousing and material handling of the oversupply of goods that must be purchased in case the boat is late is not cheap. Plus the carrying costs. My company kept anywhere from 6 months to 2 years of many imported parts on hand so production would not be compromised. Even then someone would slip up and we paid the big bucks air freighting in parts to keep the production lines running. Lean manufacturing has been the in thing for many USA manufacturers for awhile now. Except for imported parts. Trying to do lean with Chinese parts is committing suicide.
Harry Reid will win in November.
President Obama will be re-elected in 2012.
Democrats will keep the majority in the
House and Senate.
You heard it here first.
High wages and benefits for the working people benefit everyone. It forces employers to automate and update their practices. At one time over half the population worked on the farm and now it's around 2%, or less. Look at all those wonderful machines that not only pick the wheat, corn, etc, and sort the wheat from the chaff and the corn from the ear then mulch the leftovers all before the stuff leaves the field. That cheap can of pop in your hand and the cheap batteries in your MP3 got cheap because machinery does the whole job. Automation costs people jobs but it also frees up those people to do jobs building that automation. Or to make trinkets and junk we pile high in our houses because our standard of living was raised. That higher standard of living invites innovation and research which results in an even higher standard of living. Cheap wages make for more poor people, even educated ones. Back in the old days when labor was cheap and machines were minimal only the elite were rich. Even those with an education toiled and got paid squat. Cheap wages are a one way ticket back to the stone age.
These are extraordinary times which call for some exraordinary measures. So many people have lost their jobs through no fault of their own thanks to Wall Street and the financial industry bringing the world economy and financial system to the brink of collapse. While the bankers are making big bucks skimming the cream off the econony, business as usual, they are making the really big bucks borrowing tax payer money at half a percent and lending it back to us at 3% or more. Money they were supposed to be lending out to us little people to stimulate the economy. So let's knock off that garbage about no more unemployment or help for those who did the right thing and got shafted by Wall Street. If we had given more money to the ordinary man he would have spent it thus lifting the economy and the bankers wouldn't be collecting record bonuses for not doing their job. Why all this resistance to having some little guy keep a roof over his head and food on the table while the bankers are eating top choice on their yachts. As of last count there were 5 job seekers for every job. With the danger of a double dip that number may go up and YOUR job may be the next to go. So lay off that let'em starve mentality.
Gogo the woefully brainwashed and unformed said:
"Tell me, vidi, how many people have you regaled with your theory that Reagan had alzheimers in office and the people around him took that opportunity to steal money from the American taxpayer?"
I say:
Here's Reagan in his own words admitting to his ailment:
Despite Reagan's unresponsive answers, the deposition offered a look at unreleased Reagan diary entries that were read into the record. The diary demonstrated that Reagan was intimately involved with the Iran-contra operations and fully aware that some of his actions violated the law.
Yet, when Walsh and his prosecutors questioned Reagan about even basic facts that connected to the scandal, the ex-president asserted a near-total lack of memory.
Asked if George Shultz was secretary of state in Reagan's second term, Reagan answered, "I think so, but I can't swear anymore."
"During your second term was Bud McFarlane the national security adviser?" asked a prosecutor.
"I can't tell you or remember when Bud left that job," Reagan responded. Robert "Bud" McFarlane resigned on Dec. 5, 1985, nearly a year into Reagan's second term.
On more substantive questions, Walsh's team read entries from Reagan's diary to refresh his memory about the Iran-contra arms-for-hostage deals, but that didn't help.
Walsh asked about a Feb. 26, 1985, entry in which Reagan wrote, "Assad seems to be making effort to get four kidnap victims back from Hezbollah."
Reagan answered, "You know something? I'm trying to remember now who was Assad." Hafez Assad, of course, was the president of Syria.
Gogo the woefully brainwashed and unformed said:
"How many people have you told that Dick Cheney and George Bush ran some giant conspiracy to defraud the public and all your wild conspiracy theories regarding BP, Massey Coal and Big Oil?"
I say:
They did it in private, in collusion with big business. The results are all around us. Defrauding us was the result of their embarrassment of being caught so flat footed and juvenile on 911. I mean the macho cheerleader frat boy reading my pet goat flying all over the countryside like a scared little bunny being afraid of his shadow. They had major psychological problems relating to this day. Their overcompensation is only beginning to appear. The tens of millions of relatives of the children and wives and mothers blown to bits by this giggling murderer will not be forgiven for generations. I agree it was not a conspiracy, it was cowardice unparalleled in history. Slightly smart men way out of their league.
Gogo the woefully brainwashed and unformed said:
"How many people, Vidi, have you told that Angle endorses the rape of women and the desire on her part to pass legislation to stop the abortion of those babies?"
I say:
She endorses a young child to be forced to either live with and raise her sister or brother/dads grandson or daughter and her aunt or uncle, all rolled into one package, and now that it would be law it could make it quantum leaps harder to turn dear old dad in. There is no talk of help, no talk of support, just a big you are on your own. Her position of absolute birth rights is her right. But don't deny how she feels.
Gogo the woefully brainwashed and unformed said:
"How many people, Vidi, have you told that Angle wants to reintroduce Prohibition?"
I say:
Who cares? On either side of this issue no one seriously thinks it is in the realm of possibility of happening.
Gogo the woefully brainwashed and unformed said:
"I would guess you don't make those statements in public too often because you KNOW you would sound like a loon. But here, on this blog with the safety of anonymity, you can freely blather all your conspiracy theories and hate-filled speech."
I say:
What you call conspiracy theories are pretty well accepted truths in most fact based circles. Your adoration of the top half of one percent of America has hidden you from much of the truth. You can out yourself if you want, because none of us would hurt you. Conversely, you guys wear sheets and blow up IRS buildings, assassinate people in their churches and other assorted delusions of grandeur.
Gogo the woefully brainwashed and unformed said:
"You, sir, are a coward.
I say:
Cowardice is not on the plate here, even in your demented fear of the middle class it would only exist in your mind. Not in reality.
Gogo the woefully brainwashed and unformed said:
"The other thing that is interesting is that you have NEVER posted a comment on why you think we should vote for Harry Reid. Never posted a comment about how you support his giant spending. Never a word about the health care bill. Never a word about any real accompishments that he has moved forward. All we hear are irrational rants about Sharron Angle. Interesting."
I say:
Most of us wish we had suitable replacements for a lot of politicians. The most important thing is to have someone more talented, energetic, worldly, and enthusiastic than the one in office currently. The republicans were a soap opera through your primary and the weirdest candidate was left standing. That candidate is the most effective endorsement for Harry Reid. I have never seen a less deserving candidate that the Wrong Angle. I think I'd like her in person, one on one, but she should never be a writer of laws, she is from the twilight zone.
Hey Gogo the woefully brainwashed and unformed one:
You win this months DAABOR award. Congratulations.
lol at any mental midget that thinks Angle has a shot at winning. your probably the same people that thought McCain and that idiot Palin had a chance. Angle is nothing more than another self serving sociopath with a distorted sense of reality.
Jeff,
Where to begin. You have concrete evidence that Reagan had Alzheimers? Show it. You're playing medical doctor and you're not qualified to make a diagnosis from reading transcripts.
You have concrete evidence of the Bush-Cheney conspiracy? Show it.
You say that conspiracy theories are "Well accepted" are well accepted "truths" in fact based circles. Please re-read what you wrote - that is the most ludicrous statement you have made yet.
Most FACT based groups deal in FACTS - not theories based upon opinion, bias and conjecture.
And your assertion that no one cares about Prohibition - read these posts. People make that charge all the time!
Finally, the most explosive of your statements. Please find ANY documentation that Sharron Angle believes that the children of incest should be forced to live at home with the "Daddy" that raped the child.
I have very good friends in the midwest who are virulently against abortion. They believe that children born from incest should be removed from the home and placed in foster care or adoption. They also believe that the perpetrator should be placed in prison for life. I'm sure that Angle's view is the same.
This is a complete myth being pushed by the underground despicable zealots trying to smear Angle. SHOW ME PROOF THAT SHE EVER SAID THAT IS HER POSITION OR STOP THROWING IT OUT THERE.
She might not win, Jeff, but if she doesn't it should be a fair fight on the basis of issues and not gross extrapolations of her views.
Jeff, the accusations that I run around in a sheet and blow up IRS buildings show how unbalanced you are. I voted for Clinton and a handful of other Democrats. I'm not stuck in some ideological trap like you are.
You're the person who is dangerous because you can't think for yourself. You can't see the insanity that is thrust upon you, you just accept it. Case in point the section you wrote above about Sharron Angle:
She endorses a young child to be forced to either live with and raise her sister or brother/dads grandson or daughter and her aunt or uncle, all rolled into one package, and now that it would be law it could make it quantum leaps harder to turn dear old dad in. There is no talk of help, no talk of support, just a big you are on your own. Her position of absolute birth rights is her right. But don't deny how she feels.
Do you really believe this garbage? Do you really believe that Angle would knowingly have a child born out of incest just thrown back into the maelstrom that caused that event? Frankly, her religious beliefs would not allow her to sit by and take no action. This woman was an education major who went into teaching because she wanted to help children.
It is just that sort of callous, unthinking rhetoric that causes the mentally deficient to take up arms and perform the despicable acts you tried to smear me with. Go to any union rally or watch what happened in Toronto to see what happens when unthinking people gulp down explosive rhetoric.
Instead of gulping down the liberally pasteurized views of Angle, why don't you spend some time INVESTIGATING what she really said. That, of course, would take effort and could potentially shatter your world view.
You, sir, are the target for such propaganda because you WANT to believe it!
Now gogo not only wants to force a child to have her daddy's baby. You want to take that child away from its mother. Sick dude, that is sick.
Yeah, Jeff, sick dude, that's sick.
Just kill the kid.......
I'm Pro-Choice but can see the other side. You just have your view and everyone else is "Nuts".
You live in a sad world where there are no ideas....
By the way, Jeff, my views aren't the same as Angle's.
But as opposed to you, I have the ABILITY to think for myself and make my own choices....
And I don't mindlessly swallow the Kool-Aid like you and your brethren.
Also, Axelrod is on Fox News Sunday....got to go!
Angle is a imbecile. Those who think this woman has her stuff together and could out govern Harry need to understand the difference,...she's simply nuts and Reid isn't. If those of you think things are bad now,...they will get worse with Angle. Can Nevada survive worse?
All Sharron has to do is this:
Raise Taxes - NO
Increase Spending - NO
New Entitlements - NO
Health Care - REPEAL IT
Simple and EXACTLY what we need our representative to do. The imbecile is the one who would answer the opposite to those items listed above - HARRY REID.
Let me throw this question out to all you people who accuse Angle of wanting to force a girl to carry a "rapist's" or "Incest" child to term.
Let's say a fifteen year old girl gets pregnant and has a child. Then it is determined later that the girl was impregnated by her father/uncle. Everyone assumed it was by her boyfriend but it turns out it was by her father/uncle.
Do you kill the child?
Do you remove the child from the home?
Foster care?
Adoption?
I think we can all agree that killing the child is not the naswer.....
Sharron Angle just beleives that life begins at conception and not birth. Is that so crazy?
gogo:
Prohibition is mentioned 4 times -- each time by you -- in about 250 posts.
That sounds like someone is lying.
Those are this string's posts. Take a look when nutbags like Birdie, Ksand99 and Edge are posting. Everywhere.
But, Jeff, please answer the question I posed at 8:27 AM. How do you handle the situation? Do you kill the child?
Let me know what you would do?
I know almost all of you won't read this, but I'm going to mke the effort anyway. Paul Ryan is one of the sharpest and bipartisan members of congress. He is a representative from wisconsin who has crafted a "Road Map" which would, to a great degree, save this country from a fiscal meltdown. The link below is an article from the Weekly Standard (I know, I know, a right wing magazine) that talks about the plan.
If you have any interest in reviewing good ideas for government, take a look:
http://weeklystandard.com/artciles/think...
I know almost all of you won't read this, but I'm going to mke the effort anyway. Paul Ryan is one of the sharpest and bipartisan members of congress. He is a representative from wisconsin who has crafted a "Road Map" which would, to a great degree, save this country from a fiscal meltdown. The link below is an article from the Weekly Standard (I know, I know, a right wing magazine) that talks about the plan.
If you have any interest in reviewing good ideas for government, take a look:
http://weeklystandard.com/articles/think...
gogo:
Your choices epitomize your lack of intellectual prowess.
Your choices were:
Do you kill the child?
Do you remove the child from the home?
Foster care?
Adoption?
Do you kill the child? I guess in your corporate Utopian bizarro land this would be an option. That's called murder.
Remove the child from the home? I guess in your world you believe this should be your choice. The family should be allowed great latitude here, because they are the ones who will live with the decisions long after the Wrong Angle is sent packing.
Foster care or adoption is none of your business unless THE MOTHER decides it is necessary or the young lady is too far gone to help herself.
How about we help her raise her child if she decides to do this?
Well , then , Jeff, your views are EXACTLY THE SAME AS SHARRON ANGLE'S except for the difference as to the beginning of life. You believe life begins at birth, Angle believes that life begins at conception.
Your contention that killing the child is MURDER is the SAME way she feels about the aborting of the fetus.
You say the family "should be allowed great latitude here", that's EXACTLY what Sharron Angle believes.
Foster care, Sharron Angle believes that if the family doesn't want the child it should be put up for adoption or foster care - but the choice is the family's.
I didn't endorse killing the child, Jeff. I put that choice in there to highlight the fact that the only difference between your view and Angles is the moment that life begins.
And I agree with you that NO CHILD should ever be abandoned. The government, in this case, MUST be the nanny and take care of these children who desperately need the help. It is our most important duty as human beings.
It seems to me that you and Angle disagree on just one point...not too crazy, eh?
gogo
I primarily agree with the Wrong Angle up till birth, but the is the USA, and we have a constitution that allows people to have different beliefs to believe different things.
When we change to the United States of Jesusland I will not be leaving the country because of that. Until then I will follow the laws of the USA.
That says I can feel how I do, it doesn't give me the right to be Fidel Castro to the pregnant teens of America.
Read the Constitution my addle brained republican.
Got it Fidel?
Wow - I missed a lot!! How funny Gogo - when did I ever say that your mother wants force the child to live with the rapist? Really?
I don't care what her opinion is, I DO care that she wants to force her religious opinion on others, and she introduced legislation that would force a Dr. to LIE to their patients. Did you conveniently miss that in your crazy wacko rantings?
gogo's nuttin but a paid Angler.
bagworm by bagworm, his posts are fetching pennies and your thoughts.
Blasting away ad hominem anything within his first and second amendment rights, the sock is emboldened by the suggestion of reason or understanding.
buck a post
superb platform for a spokesman, huh?
free, grab what ya can.
noise, heat, hubris and pomposity
Narcissistic, circuitous and self-consumed
think tank poster, a think tank poster
cheap advertising and especially since "The whole damn Army's out a step!!!"
Harry Reid is responsible for the loss of 300,000 American jobs to illegal aliens - all by himself.
And you and I pay their wages!!!
http://therealharryreid.org/