Wednesday, Feb. 24, 2010 | 2 a.m.
After Pennsylvania lawmakers legalized slot machines in one of the nation’s most populous states in 2004, casino boss Steve Wynn said the Keystone State’s high tax rate on gambling would keep him from setting up shop there.
“If Pennsylvania decided to give the tourist industry in the state a shot in the arm to build nice destination resorts, I would love to be in Pennsylvania. But right now, it’s not where someone can justify a large investment,” Wynn told The Philadelphia Inquirer in 2005.
On Tuesday, however, Wynn Resorts announced an agreement to manage one of two major casinos scheduled to open in Philadelphia, which would become the largest metropolitan city in the nation with Las Vegas-style gambling.
In Nevada, Wynn and his fellow casino owners pay a tax of 6.75 percent on the money they win from gamblers.
The Philadelphia casino that Wynn will manage will pay at least 55 percent in taxes on its slot machine winnings and 16 percent on its winnings from table games.
Although the Pennsylvania tax on the state’s newly legalized table games is still more than twice what Nevada charges, it helps explain Wynn’s about-face, analysts say.
Most states tax all gambling revenue at the same rate. But industry lobbyists have argued that because table games generally have lower profit margins than slots — and because table games can lure wealthier visitors who appreciate the mystique of gambling tables and view slots as a low-rent activity — they should be taxed less as a result.
Casino operators successfully argued that Pennsylvania casinos needed table games — and the lower tax rate on them — to stay competitive and not hamper additional investment opportunities.
The result is the state has netted an operator known for developing some of the industry’s most desirable resorts.
The relatively low tax rate for table games may end up making tables a more profitable business than slots in Pennsylvania, says Joe Weinert, an industry consultant with Spectrum Gaming in New Jersey.
But here’s the kicker: Pennsylvania’s casinos operate some of the nation’s most profitable slot machines.
“A lot of executives look at high tax markets and pooh-pooh them, but then they change their minds after seeing how some of these places are turning over some serious cash,” Weinert says.
Las Vegas and Atlantic City have suffered the worst in the recession, but smaller East Coast gambling markets that limit competition by issuing or allowing a small number of casino licenses are proving that “there’s a lot of money to be made” in the industry, Weinert notes.
Wynn’s prior criticism notwithstanding, casino operators flocked to compete for one of just 14 casino licenses in Pennsylvania. The limited number of licenses was a crucial justification for the relatively high tax rate.
Limited competition is one reason why each of Pennsylvania’s nearly 25,000 slot machines, according to Spectrum Gaming, won an average of $295 per day. That compares with less than $100 per slot machine in Las Vegas, which will issue a casino license to anyone who passes a lengthy background check, builds in an approved casino zone and has a few million dollars for the expensive licensing and development process.
By contrast, Maryland and New York, where casinos are expected to pay taxes of more than 60 percent on gambling revenue, have authorized only a few slot machine sites.
Still, high tax rates in other states inevitably raise the question on the minds of many Nevadans: Can’t companies that pay higher tax rates elsewhere afford to pay higher taxes in Nevada?
It’s a touchy question that elicits a rapid-fire answer from the gaming industry: Tax us more and you will have less investment, which leads to fewer jobs, lower-rent joints and, as a result, less tourism and lower tax revenue in the long run. Without offering the nation’s lowest gaming tax rate, Nevada would not have cultivated the elaborate offerings and megaresorts for which the Las Vegas Strip is known, the casino companies contend.
They point out that in the states with the highest taxes on gambling, the best casinos rise only to the level of some of the bigger suburban casinos in Las Vegas. They aren’t as big or luxurious as the Strip’s top-tier properties.
The Strip needs to be the top tier because it has to be an international, mass-market attraction. The Strip must draw visitors from far and wide to compete with smaller casinos closer to home.
The Philadelphia Park racetrack, which built a “temporary” slot parlor into its grandstand, has an easier job: It is close to a bigger population center and has little immediate competition.
And it’s raking in money. Slot machines at the Philadelphia Park casino generated revenue of $446 million from February 2009 to January 2010, according to Spectrum Gaming. In the past year, each of the track’s slot machines won an average of $416 per day, among the nation’s highest rates. That compares with a daily average of $243 for the East Coast.
“I don’t care what kind of property you like to operate or what tax environment you want to operate in,” Weinert says. “You can’t ignore that kind of money.”







I suppose he'll want to jack Pennsylvania dealer's tokes as well.
What a despicable sub-human being this man is. No brotherly love for you Steve.
HE didn't take the tokes, he simply gave a portion to the supervisors who were making less than the dealers... Wynn dealers at the time were making 100k+ (many of my friends were/ still are dealers there and would show me the site that the tokes are reported on weekly) - It was sick the amount of money they still are making - I do believe Wynn should have incorporated this policy BEFORE opening that way no one would care cause they still would be making a killing but not have to readjust their lifestyles making a few thousand less.
On another note, I cant wait to see what he does in Philly!
So, any tax above 6.75% in NV is a no-no, but taxes of 16% and 55% are all right in PA.
Mr. Wynn's tax payments in Pennsylvania will certainly help that state with its budget problems.
What a great man and what a grand gesture.
No matter how you slice it, management has no moral right, or any business taking tokes from the dealers! If Wynn is so concerned about how much his managers are making or not making, then it is HIS responsibility to pay them accordingly, not steal from the dealers tips..
screw this guy 16 and 55 percent in Pennsylvania and this guy bitching about we have is this state. local should protest and not cater to his casino
The Gaming executives say..."tax us more and you will have less investment...". The truth is we do not need any more investment and building more product...we have more than plenty, so let's look at alternative taxing methods for Nevada. The gaming companies and the operators have NO loyalty to Nevada...not anymore. Their promoting the proliferation of gaming has hurt all the Nevadans...they will go anywhere, at our expense...they do not care, and are not members of this community anyway.
stevie is a billionaire...
he couldn't spend that amount of money if he tried...
clearly gaming taxes in nevada are not too high...
raise gaming taxes now!!!
Of course he doesn't mind paying out the nose in Pennsylvania, he still gets a sweet deal back here in the state he owns, Nevada.
Steve Wynn won't balk at the Pennsylvania tax rates because he knows those costs will be made up in Nevada. He and others like him have raped Nevada by using our very cheap casino taxes to support his casino empire in other states and asian nations.
He is one of the biggest reasons Nevada schools are in the toilet...we are 50th in the nation because we cannot afford pay for fully qualified teachers for every kid in every classroom and course; nor, can we afford textbooks for every kid; the CCSD asks teachers to write 'beggin' letters' asking for paper, paper towels, toilet paper, crayons, pencils, etc.
He can build more casinos elsewhere because he is using his Nevada profits, and they are considerable over the years, to do so. He is a rich money monger and cares not about the little people, children, education or anything else of value to the taxpayers of Nevada. All he cares about is that he gets is big tax break and he has the politicians in his pocket to keep it that way.
Former State Senator Joe Neal was always right many years ago: casino resort taxes need to be increased; in today's economy they need to be increased rapidly and with a hefty jolt to those who have raped the taxpayers of Nevada for so long. Taxpayers are tired of being sodomized by the likes of Steve Wynn and his super rich colleagues. It is time to tax them now and tax them big time!
The problem vsestini is the higher and more you tax him, he will just lay off more employees to make up for the difference. Bottom line men until they skip off this life!!
Note to editor:
The Headline here states that the tax rate won't keep Wynn out of Pennsylvania. The first paragraph state's that Wynn says the tax rates are keeping him from setting up shop. Then, the third paragraph talks about his managerial involvement--Is this not confusing??
Uh! I dont know how to spend a few millon in National advertising to drw visitors to my Las Vegas resorts So I will spend a few hundred million to take the casino to them Uh!I dont care about Vegas it only made me who I am.
I am never going to a Wynn resort again because he truely does not care about Las Vegas
I think he would love to put some more nails in the Donald's coffin in AC while He's at it.
uhhhh, Bundy? Donald isn't in AC or any casinos anymore... So how exactly does this deal hurt him???
Seriously, 6.75%?
One reason I own WYNN stock is because Steve Wynn knows what he is doing.
let me get this straight...
the taxpayers of nevada are subsidizing the taxpayers of pennsylvania...
and the chinese taxpayers of macau...
hmmm...
listen up boys and girls...
the citizens of nevada are getting screwed...
do not believe the fear mongering...
stevie boy ain't going no where if we raise his taxes...
don't listen to the fear mongering crap these blowhards have perfected...
like i said...
stevie is a billionaire...
he made too much money...
time for the citizens of nevada to get their fair share!!!
"view slots as a low-rent activity"
Chain smoking grannies PWNED. Yes, this means YOU, low renter!
Steve Wynn is into accumulation. Money means nothing to him. Fine art, opulent buildings, old sagging British relics.
Dave,as of now youre right but Trump is in litigation now to get control back.I think He's going up against Carl Icahn.At least thats the take I get from the article in the AC Press.Keep in mind I'm a shoe salesman,not a lawyer but having his name on a failed property has got to hurt at least his ego.
I wonder how long it will take Wynn to poison the politicians in Pennsylvania. I think WE The People of Nevada should all start a letter writing campaign to our politicians to get the tax rate on Casinos up to 55 percent also. Just send a letter a week to your phony baloney legislative representative. Tell Horsford to start the ball rolling. Not just the teachers but every swingin' dink in this state.
Fellas....forget Donald. He will be going after his buddy Sheldon here! LVS owns a Sands Casino in Bethlehem, PA.
Wow, what a bunch of bitter people on this board. Wynn worked hard, risked a lot, and had great timing. That's primarily how he got where he is. Who cares how he spends his money. You think he should take the money he's spending on fine art and give it away to NV? How many people does he employ? How many people are employed as a result of what he started?
People that think the only difference between PA and NV is the tax structure need to use your brains. Competition, land/development costs, opportunity, population size...lots of differences.
You people that hate the rich, simply because many of them worked hard to get it, while we sit here and complain about it on a message board need to take a good look in the mirror, and realize why you don't have the money that he has. Some people are driven by money, others by creativity, others by helping others, etc. The beauty of this country is that it's up to you. One of the things holding us back is that people want the reward but don't want to work for it, or take any risk.
Don't hate successful people. You want to punish an already struggling industry, go ahead. But get some facts straight and stop thinking that you're entitled to something that you're not, and that others are morally obligated to do things that they're not. To say Steve Wynn has done nothing but take advantage of NV is ridiculous.
I'm on board with the disgust of the mining industry, since it's not in line with what other industries are paying and they don't employ that many people (relatively speaking). I certainly think that gaming should step up if there's an additional need, but I think we have a lot more wrong with our state's economy than just the tax rate applied to gaming.
hey improvelv...
you are dead wrong partner...
now pay attention...
birdie is gonna school you...
ready...
there is but one statistic americans need to know...
the top 1% owns as much wealth as the bottom 90%...
got that partner...
that is wrong...
period...
end of story...
now...
what happens when that much wealth is concentrated in so few is that they can buy influence...
they can rig the rules of the game so that there is not competitive balance...
so that america stops being a meritocracy...
that is the being of the end...
consider goldman sachs...
these blowhards rigged the game...
fleeced the country for hundreds of billions...
and now are handing out record bonuses...
so you see...
we aren't bitter...
we are demanding equality...
we are fighting for the solid virtues america was built on...
where all men are created equal...
not where the super wealthy control the legislature...
bottom line...
if i could control the world...
stevie boy would be a little less wealthy...
wealthy to be sure...
able to enjoy the very best of everything...
but...
not so rich that he could never ever spend it all...
while others lose their jobs and homes and go hungry...
that just doesn't seem right to me...
bottom line...
that stat i cited above must not be allowed to stand...
or else we are all screwed...
you are welcome...
i will be here all week...
tip your waitress well...
I very much agree with you on the corruption, but I blame as much or more of that on the dishonest politicians. To me, that's a different issue. I have my own beliefs about campaign financing. The corruption isn't limited to the rich, either. Union leaders aren't squeaky clean.
I also agree with the bonuses handed out to Citi and the other banks. Those guys are not the same as Steve Wynn. They are exactly what I hate...expecting all reward for no risk. They didn't build the company, they don't lose when the company fails, etc.
Money is money, and yes, the rich can support campaigns, but we're still the ones that have to vote. We have to take some responsibility for voting in corrupt officials, and buying in to their false promises.
I think a lot of these rich guys define the American dream. I'm personally not so obsessed with money, but to have a goal, pursue it, overcome obstacles, and achieve is impressive. For other people to feel that they deserve a piece of that success is ridiculous, especially when that success has already benefited a number of people/employees.
Taxes! 55 percent, 100 percent, 200 percent, what!
First off, if the Fed wants to increase gaming taxes then there needs to be a complete overhaul of the tax codes that apply to gaming.
The attraction to gaming has always been about not having to pay taxes in the first place, and rightly so since you can only claim gaming losses on current year gaming wins. You cannot carry over any losses to another year; you have very limited options, unlike gaming in the stock-markets.
For Governments to raise taxes on the casinos is a subterfuge, and the house ultimately passes them on to the end-user (players) who are limited in the management of those revenues or losses.
I am all-in for being able to write-off 100k every year from my AGI, and or being able to carry over all my travel from year to year going to resorts to play until I hit a good run, but I or you can't, that's the rub to this so called increase in taxes for the casinos.
Time has come for the IRS to come clean and do the honest thing in dealing with gaming instead of trying to employ the antiquated tax rules utilized to exploit the underworld of the Las Vegas bygone era.
Apologies to the holy-rollers at the kraps-table who think gaming is all about being dealt above table and not what it really is, a vise.
To clarify my last comment, I agree that taxes have to be paid by everyone/every business, and I support tax increases for everyone if it's necessary, but I don't care for the people that get angry that Steve Wynn has enough money to buy fine art while the state is having budget problems. Or that get angry that he's willing to go to PA and put up with their higher tax rate, but opposes the same rate in NV. Apples and oranges, and I highly doubt any of us on this message board are qualified/informed enough make a judgment on his decision.
My question is how do the casinos make money when they pay a 55 per cent state gaming tax? If
Philadelphia Park wins $416 per day per slot, the 55% state tax bite leaves $187.20 per day. What is the federal tax rate on corporation earnings? With fixed and operating cost overheads, how do they make a profit?
Great points Improvelv. It's simple envy of another's success. This country rewards those that are innovative and hard working. How many jobs has Steve Wynn created in his lifetime as compared to those that criticize him?
steve wynn is the second most crooked man in town next to harrah's.
my condolences to the people of Penn that are about to get screwed big time.
Harrahscheats - can you elaborate?
all local stay aways from the strip
Now we know why Pennsylvania schools are ranked so far ahead of ours, not to mention Penn State versus our higher education system.
Why are we Nevadans such fools? Do we think the casinos, the mines, even the construction and home development companies are going to leave this state? They've made money hand over fist here for years - without having to give anything back - and we're proud of that?
vegasGM85 --- what are u a spokesman for wynn?
eddie_bitton - no but when I find a company and leader I believe in, I stand by them
vegasgm, your scum, rich mans lapdog. you ceo lakys disgust me.
They will make up any tax loss at the slot machines by lowering the payout.
And I'd like to announce the new plan for redistributing wealth... work harder.
haha!
ya, wynn is to blame for our bad schools.
lol.
maybe you just have stupid kids.
Does anyone seriously believe that if NV raised casino taxes the Strip would fade into oblivion overnight? Remember, the industry has billions of dollars invested here too. It's the old saw about if you lend a woman a dollar you're her creditor, but if you lend her a million dollars, you're her partner.
Bunch of envious, jealous losers here. Wynn earned every $$ he's got and you don't have his skill, know-how or connections, so you're all haters. Another man who has done more for the community than all of you put together. How many people do you employ?
Wynn is doing this under a casino management agreement and thus he is not the one on te hook of the taxes, the onwer who built it and invested his/her money to do so will be paying the taxes.It is a good move for Wynn as he will be paid a fee for managing the casino rather than him having to invest a billion or so to build his own casino.
Birdiedreamin - If you were the ruler of this here land you would be called Hugo Chavez.
formervegas76 - sounds like you just hate the rich man... It would be totally different (im sure) if you were in Wynn's shoes... (ha) keep trying
Stevem - your way off the deep end, fyi
Dave202 - Agreed - thank you
Schools in Pennsylvania are funded by revenue collected from property owners. Property owners pay a county property tax and an additional "school tax" once per year. So if you want to pay over $15,000 a year in property and school taxes on a house worth $500,000 (or $5k in taxes on a $150k house,) then send your kids to Northern Allegheny schools after you move to Wexford, PA.
Very good these companies are taxed so high. Some has to pay for federal taxes and some don't.
You might recognize the government benefiting solely and this is only purpose to.
Those who work for employees and other supporters are finding lower tax-markets elsewhere. Difference is inevitable. It answers the same purpose than freehold payment. As of one's own free-will.
vegas goofman gm, i couldn't treat anyone like most rich people do, i was brought up to care, you have your right to be scum
Nevada has not raised the gaming tax of 6.75% in over 20 years. While sales taxes have been raised 3 times, property taxes have gone up 125%, and DMV taxes are up 40%. Gaming taxes make up funding for important things like education. Our corrupt state politicians would rather cut education and pay teachers $26K per year than raise the gaming tax. Even though Nevada has the lowest gaming tax in the world!
Corruption is still the best paying job in Nevada !!!
formervegas76 - Were you fired? Is that what it was...
I love going to Vegas as a tourist but I would never live there. It's pretty obvious to me that Vegas will go out of it's way to accommodate the needs of tourists like me but could care less about it's own citizens.
vegasGM85 or shall i say wynn's right hand man, tim poster.
do i really have to elaborate on what everyone in town including the man's ex-wife already knows... STEVE IS A BIG JERK!!!
although he pays better than others he treats employees like crap. explodes when he doesn't get his way just like a spoiled little brat and has a long history of sexual harrassment and affairs with subordinates.
steve also treats patrons unfairly... try winning in his casino on a regular basis and see what happens to your "comps" and how quickly you are shown the door...
to his credit, wynn is no where close to being as brutal as harrah's in taking advantage of patron's and stays away from the watanabe type fiascos.
Steve Wynn at one time had respect from his staff and then he stole their toke money! He buys everyone and everything to get his way. He is a power hungry, greedy man. The ones on this board that don't believe a working man should make 100k a year also sounds jealous of their fortune but yet you condone a man with millions and millions of dollars to steal from his help, buy the law ( mind you not justice). We are not bitter, we are fed up!!! Keep your head in the sand and there will be no middle class. Let them keep bringing in illegal immigrants to work for pennies ( and that my friend is why immigration laws are not enforced) and your children will have no where to earn a living. SW is scum! So is Harrah's!
Vote out the Nevada legislature Nevadans and the governor!!!!! What a stupid group of legislators. Meanwhile they are being wined and dined on your dime. Wynn has no problem paying high PA taxes and the idiots that have been running Nevada including the joke "governor" wont raise taxes on the casinos and some of the moguls are clammoring to open else where where the tax is higher. Does that make any sense Nevadans?! Take your state back this November! Vote nonpartisan/independent for every office this November.
Harrahscheats - Wynn's marital issues aside, I have never heard of any other "funny business" in any of the categories you mentioned... His marital issues are his business, period. I dont agree with them but their his business. Im not toooo familer with Harrahs side of things just trying to clean up Wynn's image in regards to a few comments here. He had many! repeat customers and guests (whom I interacted with regularly) so not sure what you mean when you say
"steve also treats patrons unfairly... try winning in his casino on a regular basis and see what happens to your "comps" and how quickly you are shown the door..."
I thought he is a true Las Vegas person,he help build the disneyland on the strip and now he is going to another state,WHAT A TRADER.
How's that tunnel vision working for u mr wynn?
Wynn is such a great guy ?....Ask former executive Nancy Homel that used to work for him.
Better yet, see for yourself !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTwTfq5Ay...
Rare case AKsilvereagle = you can find stories like that on any of the casino operators... I worked for him and loved it... preferred him and his company over any other on the strip...