gaming:
Cycling toward cashless: ATM provider tests linking bank accounts, player cards
Company isn’t planning to seek approval for that in Nevada — yet
Monday, Aug. 23, 2010 | 2 a.m.
CASH OR TICKET?
The Nevada Gaming Commission last month approved technology to be installed on casino ATMs that will allow customers making withdrawals the option of receiving cash or the entire sum on a ticket, which is as good as cash in any slot machine. Regulators decided the QuickTicket technology isn’t all that different from what’s available now.Sun Archives
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We live in an increasingly cashless society where consumers use credit cards to purchase just about everything — including a gambling jag at the casino.
And yet, while slot machine technology has progressed by leaps and bounds from the days of two-dimensional cherries and 7s, the day when gamblers can insert bank cards directly into slot machines, instantly draining checking accounts or racking up credit card debt, won’t be here anytime soon — if ever.
Regulatory concerns about compulsive gambling, a little-known state law and the complexities of banking systems all play a role.
Still, the No. 1 provider of ATMs in casinos and a front-runner in the processing of gambling transactions is working on slot technology that could eliminate the use of cash altogether.
In the meantime, Global Cash Access says slots that accept bank cards are simply off-limits — at least for the foreseeable future.
“We’re not going to push an agenda of putting a credit card in a slot machine when it isn’t accepted,” said Scott Dowty, executive vice president of business development. “We really do care and focus on social responsibility as part of our business. We want to process as many transactions as possible, but we’re not interested in processing transactions for people who have gambling problems.”
It would be difficult for the company to implement systems enabling bank cards to communicate directly with gambling systems that network slot machines, said Mike Rumbolz, a former Gaming Control Board regulator who now advises Global Cash on business strategy. Such systems would be nightmarishly complex and cost-prohibitive because of technology required to keep track of continuous, rapid-fire gambling transactions that would add and delete money from the gamblers’ accounts — an ability bank cards lack today, he said.
Banks, which control where their cards can be used, probably would nix the ability to connect to a slot machine because of the credit card industry’s historic queasiness about processing gambling transactions, he added.
In an attempt to capitalize on the obvious profit potential of such technology, an enterprising inventor years ago patented a system allowing gamblers to swipe their bank cards in slot machines.
The inventor had demanded such a rich sum to license the concept that nobody explored the technology, and casino suppliers instead embarked on a different path involving the use of paper tickets, Rumbolz said.
Gamblers didn’t take to ticket machines at first but now prefer them by a wide margin to coin-operated machines. Ticket-in, ticket-out technology, which dominates the U.S. market, also benefited casinos by reducing the need for change handlers and the labor costs associated with collecting and stocking coins.
A 1995 law prohibits the use of credit cards in Nevada slot machines. Lately, Global Cash has pursued more acceptable forms of cashless technology here than the direct use of bank cards.
Last month, the Nevada Gaming Commission unanimously approved technology giving ATM customers the option of receiving cash or a slot machine ticket worth the same amount. Tickets are compatible with any ticket-in, ticket-out machine.
Some problem gambling advocates theorize that the use of tickets encourages irresponsible behavior. Much like consumers who overspend using charge cards, gamblers might be more likely to run through money in the form of a paper ticket than cash. There’s little evidence of that, though, in wide-ranging, government-authorized studies of gambling technology in Australia, Canada and the United Kingdom, said Bo Bernhard, a sociology professor and director of gambling research at UNLV tapped by Global Cash to gather research on the use of ticket-in slots.
Mostly, though, Nevada regulators approved Global Cash’s QuickTicket software because they concluded it wasn’t much different from what’s available. Groups such as the Nevada Council on Problem Gambling, agreed.
Global Cash intends to install the ticketing software onto existing ATMs, which spread into casinos in the 1980s. Just as replacing coin slots with ticket-dispensing ones slashed labor costs, QuickTicket is expected to reduce casinos’ cash-handling expenses.
Regulators mostly take a libertarian approach toward new gambling technology, and are not required to consider its potential effect on problem gamblers. And yet, some regulators say advances can go too far.
Historically, the Gaming Commission has taken a more conservative stand than the state Gaming Control Board by rejecting industry efforts to bring cash transactions incrementally closer to slot machines.
In 2007, the Gaming Commission voted against a Global Cash kiosk that would have allowed gamblers to receive slot tickets they could then insert into gambling machines. Global Cash intended to install EDITH (Electronic Debit Interactive Terminal Housing) devices — now in use in other states — at the end of banks of slots, and thus closer to gamblers than existing ATMs.
Gaming commissioners rejected the kiosks, uncomfortable with the idea of flooding casino floors with additional, and more accessible, ways of getting money.
And in 2003 commissioners rejected portable card-swiping technology that casino workers would carry with them as they walked about the floor, making change and otherwise helping customers. What sound like minor differences in casino ATMs are major considerations for some Nevada regulators.
“It was simply too close to the machines,” Gaming Commission Chairman Peter Bernhard said in an interview last week. “If you can put some sort of a time and distance gap there, it would cause people to think two or three times about drawing additional money from their bank account.” (He is the father of the UNLV professor, who did not opine on the QuickTicket technology for regulators or conduct his own research on it.)
Gambling equipment makers and cash handlers say they’re just trying to stay competitive in an increasingly cashless world. Global Cash’s quest for a truly cashless gambling transaction in Nevada has only just begun.
At the Fantasy Springs casino near Palm Springs, Calif., the company recently tested technology allowing gamblers to link debit or credit cards to wagering accounts accessed by their player cards. After funding their wagering accounts, gamblers can withdraw money for play by inserting player cards and entering personal identification numbers into slot machines.
The company’s Power Cash technology avoids the potential security risk of linking a slot machine directly to the player’s bank account — not to mention any problematic legal or policy considerations that might arise, said Rumbolz, who developed the technology.
After it reviews the results of the test, the company expects to offer the technology in tribal casinos across the country before applying for approval in Nevada — mostly because of the state’s typically longer approval process and regulatory caution on the subject of cash transactions, Rumbolz said. Power Cash isn’t expected to conflict with state law, which governs credit cards in slots, though that would need to be debated by regulators first, he added.
Control Board member Mark Lipparelli said he welcomes the discussion.
“I personally don’t have a problem” with gamblers accessing their own money from slot machines using debit cards, or having easier access to bank funds via wagering accounts, he said. There could be a side benefit to having companies such as Global Cash monitor problem gambling behavior and limit gambling transactions for those who request it, as they do with ATMs, he said.
Charging slot play to a credit card without getting up from the game, however, makes Lipparelli uncomfortable.
“You’re going a step further,” he said. “But I’d give them due consideration.”
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Ten years ago I would have loved this and applauded any attempts to make it easier to access my cash in a casino. Now days however, with the rip off tight machines, and table games odds, I wouldn't even consider dropping a single cent in these places!
Social responsibility? Gambling? HAHAHAAH!
If the casinos could have direct access to your bank account, they'd do it in a heartbeat!
Greed runs these casinos. It use to be fun to go out for a night of gambling, not anymore.
I quit giving these mor@ns my money five years ago and couldn't be happier.
Maybe they can get direct deposit of SSI and paychecks too.
The globalists are setting up the beast system so there is nowhere to hide. Cash itself will be traceable, so one day every transaction you make will be identifiable. You will be always be on camera and big brother will always know where you are and what you do.
Just how much will this "service" cost a player? How much will the casinos and banks make on each transaction? Will each machine played using the transfer money be considered an individual transactioni? Too many questions. Already casinos and banks make more than fair money from ATMs in casinos. In fact, the ATM fees are excessively regressive. Casinos make $2.50 OR MORE on each transaction and banks will tack another $2.50 OR MORE on top of that.
Rather than talking about gaming win/loss for the State on a monthly basis, perhaps there should be several categories for comparison: gaming revenus along room rate revenue, resort fee revenue, food and beverage sales, show revenue, pool party revenue, nightclub revenue, and bank card fees collected.
All of these, and maybe one or two other categories, paint a fuller, more complete picture of our tourist/hospitality/gaming-based economy, we would have a far better understanding of just how well--or not--our resorts and casinos are actually doing.
Banks won't go for this from a security stand point. Too much liability. Nice try though.
Ban ATM's in casinos.
We have all seen it - the drunken gambler standing at a casino ATM, paying $10.00 to withdraw a couple hundred of their own money, so they can go back and loose some more. Can you imagine these same folks if they could just swipe their card or hand it to a pit boss for more chips?
This idea of linking credit cards to machines is a great thing - for the casinos!
The best plan is to enter the casino only with the amount you could afford to loose that day. Leave the rest locked up in your room or at home. And if by some amazing twist, you actually win, you'll feel a lot better!
Lol, you are so right, logic_should_rule. Those greedy bastards could care less if gamblers were left with nothing. They would also love another opprotunity to eliminate jobs. Their only concern is the fallout they would receive may compromise their sacred bonuses.
Gamblers didn't take to ticket machines at first but now prefer them by a wide margin to coin-operated machines.....
BULLCRAP! Ticket in/ ticket out is the biggest ripoff to hit the casino floor. I only play machines that accept coins.
Let's see. The UNLV professor Bo Bernard gets funding from a company, Global Cash, showing that the company's technology does no harm. And the professor's father, Peter Bernard, is on the Gam(bl)ing Commission.
Nothing unethical there, right?
Tom Shermspun
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If this happens there should be a user fee of .25 cents per hand or pull to help fund an extensive expansion of the homeless shelters in town because they will need the extra space from people tapping out there bank accounts!!!
This would make it no different than gambling online.
I see a security issue from the casino's perspective with this technology. If the ATM can issue a ticket that can be inserted into any slot machine in the casino, then that ATM must be connected to the casino's slot accounting system in order for the slot machine to redeem the ticket. Since ATM's are connected to a "global" network then it seems the casino slot accounting system would also, although indirectly, be connected to this "global" network.
--Food for thought--
MgmHarley
Its sad but true. A little here, a little there. People just don't see it comming.
I'm buying Global Cash Access stock. It should be in the tank since they lost Harrahs. This will boost it.
Scary
The greedy elitist bloodsuckers have found yet another way to line their pockets. Make the gaming industry pay as much taxes in this state as they do in other states. Jerks.
Debit cards for slots? This is a terrible idea. It will cause misery.
I worked for a casino with EDITH and there were no issues with people going broke or misusing their cards. At least nothing was ever reported. The terminals were POS (Point of Sale)which meant no fee. The same as when you use your card at the grocery store. The machines also had devices which attached to the slot machines and issued vouchers directly from the machines itself. Still most people used these just as they would an ATM. What difference is there from a guest having a slot reserved so they can make several trips to the ATM versus them staying at there machine. If they are a problem gambler it will not matter. Also the EDITH machines had a setup you could perform to limit the total amount you could withdraw each given day atop your own banks limits. The EDITH had a complex encryption that allowed it to talk to the slot sytem to get a voucher number, yet there was no way other than seeing the ticket information withdrawn to access any bank information. This is done everywhere with non bank owned ATMs which allow access of ones cash but not there accounts other than the window allowing its use.
I used to think it would be a neat idea to "debit" the cash onto player cards and play them into the machines, but think it is a bad idea overall. One risks not realizing how much money is going into the machine and can go overboard in the slot gambling. If only there was a system to stop people at a certain amount so that they don't have to walk around with so much cash and be vulnerable. Took the Deuce one time to downtown and saw a woman attempting to pay for the bus fare and she was holding a huge wad of cash, waving it around for all to see. I thought she would be ripped off for sure, but that would be her loss. Casinos should stick with the cash only approach and players need to be discreet with their money.