Admiring the passion of the Tea Party, if not the knowledge
Friday, April 16, 2010 | 2 a.m.
I know it’s a low bar to surmount, but I found I liked the folks at the Carson City Tax Day Tea Party a whole lot better than I like most of the titled people who populate the Legislative Building for a spell in odd-numbered years.
Why? Because unlike too many in the Gang of 63, the Tea Partyers are real, without pretensions, delusions or haughtiness. And on a proportional basis, I am not sure which group is more confused about public policy.
Yes, the 500 (max) or so who gathered on the lawn and lined Carson Street displaying their colorful placards had the same kind of intellectually unmoored anger for the sake of anger as those at the Showdown in Searchlight. They were mad as hell, although not unpleasant, and weren’t going to take it anymore, although I am not so sure they knew what it was.
What they do know, though, is where the enemy resides — on Capitol Hill (“Downsize government, close Washington,” read one sign). And they do know what they want, too — the end of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s career. And, eventually, the president’s, too.
But none of them seemed particularly unpleasant (one woman snarled at me for daring to show up, but everyone else was quite amiable). The signs and T-shirts seemed more dangerous than the people holding them, although ignorance may be more invidious than hatred. Some of them were doozies:
• Shirts: “The only thing I hate about Nevada is … Harry Reid.” And: “Reid is treasonous.” And: “Christian. American. Heterosexual. Pro-Gun. Conservative. Any questions?”
• Signs: “Evil mongers will get justice.” And: “Wake up Democrats. It’s ‘We the People’ not you ‘The Dictators.’ ” And: “Remember the ‘New Deal’ — Now we have the ‘RAW Deal’ — Redistribute American Wealth.”
There was also a portrait of George Washington, with a bubble blaring, “WTF?” And a display urging President Barack Obama to “Return to Kenya” and asking him to “Ried this” — yes, Reid was misspelled — next to facsimiles of cow pies. (I kid you not.) And, yes, there was a dog whose posterior had been festooned with the words: “Hope & Change.”
(For a gallery of photos showing some of these, go to twitter.com/ralstonflash.)
So, yes, the partyers are also coarse, raw and vulgar. And some are really out there. But they are, as I said, real — and a real threat to Reid and the Democratic ticket in Nevada this year.
And not just Harry, either. At least a couple of the signs indicated that, as I have written many times, the sins of the father are being visited on the son. For instance, one sign said; “No Harry or Rory Reid in 2010. Freedom for Americans.”
I don’t believe one person in that crowd could tell me a vote Reid the Younger has taken or a stand he has offered. I’m not even sure they know much about Reid the Elder’s record, other than he is one of them and not one of us.
Even though the notion is ludicrous that Dad wants to create a dynasty by installing son as governor, I am sure many in the crowd viscerally believe that, even though Reid the Elder knows Reid the Younger’s candidacy is toxic to his (and vice versa). But Democrats must realize the Tea Partyers will be even more motivated to topple a Reid-Reid ticket, which will materialize June 8, and if their anger and involvement can be sustained, that surely will help.
They want to, as the shibboleth went Thursday, take our country back — from exactly what, they may not know, but from whom, they know quite well. Gov. Jim Gibbons appeared briefly and thrilled the crowd with his anti-health care reform rhetoric (nationalize!) and my favorite: “You’ve lost representative government. We’ve got to take our government back.”
Wait. Wasn’t he elected as part of that representative government? Nevermind. He was on a roll.
And they ate it up on the grass in front of the Legislative Building. From Gibbons. From others, including a handful of U.S. Senate hopefuls or their understudies.
As much as I respect the passion and commitment of some of these folks, I got the same queasiness I did at the Showdown in Searchlight — a feeling that their fury can be so easily manipulated by demagogues punching the right phrases, serving the most flavorful Kool-Aid.
As the strains of “American Pie” — what many there must have thought is a patriotic song — blared from a loudspeaker, I wondered if by next year, Harry Reid might have caught his last plane for the coast and if Nov. 2 would mark the day that reason died.
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What an ignorant display the t-baggerrepublicans put on...they are an international disgrace and laughingstock.
The term "conservative" has been twisted first by the tax/borrow/spend republicans, and now by the GOP funded non-grassroots t-baggers, to mean quite simply, STUPID.
nors -- you're the ignorant one. The original Tea Party was a bunch of white guys dressed up like Indians who dumped a shipment of British tea into Boston harbor.
Everybody's freedoms have been whittled down to the point the Declaration of Independence could very well be an indictment against our present government rather than the Crown. These people are tired enough of the suits feeding on the rest of us to actually do something about it.
What are YOU doing about it?
"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -- Abraham Lincoln, first inaugural address, 1861
I keep hearing how everbody's freedoms are "whittled down". I have the same freedoms I always have. Just what exactly are these "freedoms" that have been so impaired?
KillerB, with all due respect, where were YOU when Bush was wiretapping our phones, when he was spending like a drunken AWOL sailor, when they were marching us off to a war in Iraq that was farce, when they financed two large rebate checks from China plus interest...should I keep going?
Hypocrites.
Don't be afraid, Mr. Ralston. November 2 won't be "the day that reason died". If anything, it's looking like over the course of this spring, the teabaggers are being deflated as their meaningless hot air is exposed for being just that.
"The original Tea Party was a bunch of white guys dressed up like Indians who dumped a shipment of British tea into Boston harbor."
Yes, and they were protesting the British East India company and their monopoly on all the tea being imported to America. But funny enough, today's "tea party" is being funded by big corporate interests for the sake of using these "activists" to show "grassroots" support for protecting corporate tax loopholes and the very deregulation policies that threw us into this Great Recession in the first place!
"What are YOU doing about it?"
http://www.lasvegassun.com/photos/galler...
I'm in the second photo. I'm just one citizen being active and trying to make a difference, and I'm "cautiously optimistic" that I won't be the only one voting this year for level-headed folks who support the wise use of our tax dollars for things like roads, schools, parks, health care... And tax cuts that actually benefit working people!
I guess I just don't understand how a bunch of old people standing around in goofy costumes, carrying crazy-talk signs, and yelling about shutting down the government (at the peril of losing their Medicare and Social Security) -- no matter if they are in Carson City or Boston -- means that they are "doing something." They just look silly and senile... just one wacko away from the funny farm.
These same angry, well-fed white people were once, when GW Bush was still president, docile well-fed white people.
As a matter of fact, when Bush needed to rally his base before the unnecessary invasion Iraq, many of today's teabaggers were at the front of the line, supporting GOP Big Government. Even as the cost of that debacle snowballed to $12bl a month (not to mention the human toll) these same angry baggers never wavered. They stayed the course 110%.
IMO the faux outrage we're seeing now is not about the things the far right radicals claim (overspending? yeah, right)-- it's really about conservatives losing power. They had their chance and failed miserably so now they're throwing temper tantrums:-(
If right-wingers had brains they'd be careful. Before long the general public will lose patience with their crybaby antics as Obama and Democrats in Congress work to fix this GOP disaster. America has enough problems without having to coddle colicky conservatives.
I heard they were racially disproportionate to the general populace. Just like the million man march was--don't remember hearing much on their lack of intelligence though. What gives John?
I am in a *feelie mood this morning so lets sings:
"Listen to the jingle the rumble and the roar as she glides along the woodland
ore the hills and by the shore
hear the rush of the mighty engine hear the lonesome hobos call
he's riding through the jungle on the Wabash cannon ball"
Thank You Governor Gibbons for defining "feelie thing" for all the world to know.
The Teabaggers don't hate Harry Reid.
They hate America.
The thing that people miss is that much of this was really starting while Bush was still in office. The problem is that the whole thing was really just hitting the boiling point at the end of Bush's term and so people are quick to say that it is specifically aimed at President Obama. And where are the people that were yelling at Bush over wiretapping since most of the rules for that are unchanged with the Obama administration.
As for taxes, I just did mine the other day. I made less money and had significantly more in deductions than the previous year but the percentage of income tax paid was virtually unchanged. So, even though I'm way under the $250K line, I did not see a noticeable tax cut. It is funny that some folks say that the tea party goers are being duped by the Republicans and yet others seem just as quick to accept what they are told by the Democrats. And the bigger issue is that according to the Congressional Budget Office and others, we have deficits on the order of a trillion dollars a year for the foreseeable future. Even the President admits that we cannot sustain that.
So, how does that get fixed? History seems to show that changes to the income tax are unlikely to generate enough revenue to dent the deficits. We also know that the government is very unlikely to make any significant reduction in spending since they do not even when they commit to doing it. So, unless the players changes significantly, the only option will be large and broad-based increases in taxes. I would venture that this is what a great many of the tea party protesters are addressing. Now some of the people out there may not be willing or able to look at the big picture but some of the people are clearly doing so.
Derek
I see you are in a feelie mood this morning also..
Where are you going with that "feelie thing"
**Teabaggers hate
Therefore Derek hates teabaggers?**
Whatever and whoever "teabagger" means in Derek's world...Yup, we hates 'em!
At some point in time the editors of the LV SUN will have to decide that using vulgar names to describe Tea Party supporters is no longer funny or proper and they will start removing those posts.
Calling people vulgar names does not do much other than to alienate those people and ruin the credibility of those who are doing the vulgar name calling...
Your choice...
America has taken the fist bite of a reality sandwich. The universe does not care how you feel or..even what you think.
The reality is..to examine that reality and adapt yourself to it. If you get all feely thinky hopey changey, reality is going to smack you in the face.
Now..the task before us is to examine the realities of the government and economic system and correct the flaws.and it is flawed. How do we know that..because we are getting smacked in the face..no matter what we thinkie feelie. So we either get this thing right, no matter who does it or says it ...or we get it wrong..or the next reality sandwich will not a slap, it will be a fist..
Economic depression, third world status, balkanization, hyperinflation, these realities are not..going away because you thinky feely hopey changey and it can happen here.
Lar, give it up already.
It's what your gang @ FOX calls em, and it's in the dictionary... your childish campaign against the term "teabagger" has come to an inglorious end, my friend.
http://www.plunderbund.com/2009/11/18/ne...
Welcome to Plunderbund, A Progressive Political Playground...
I hate to burst your bubble there gmager. But the dictionary has numerous words listed that are considered vulgar and are not fit to print.
Check out some of them there four letter words. They are in there...
Go ahead and try to use some of them on this site and see what happens...
Angry Voter
The voice of reason..allegation of racism and political sloganeering...
Angry Voter
Wouldn't it be wonderful if the world yeilded to you..with your worn out tactics of mocking political opponents, political sloganeering and chanting the one word that explains evertything "race."
What do you make of the stock market overheat and Nevada unemployment numbers?
"racistracistracist" ..
Thank you for your answer Angry Voter.
I noticed that John Ralston did not use the vulgar term for Tea Party Members in his editorial.
So why does the LV SUN tolerate the use of that vulgarism on their discussion site?
Most dictionaries contain numerous words are considered vulgar and are not fit to use in public.
I would like to hear the response of these name callers if their children were to use some of the vulgar words in the dictionary and then say: "Oh, it's alright to use the word, because it is in the dictionary..."
I'm a tea bagger in principle. If I had to pin my survival on whether the government was going to come through for me or my tea bagger friend I'm betting on the friend. What government does is continually deliver less than expected results at greater than expected costs.
When the Obamazombie roofsquatters gub'ment money runs out who are they gonna call? Glenn Lerner ain't a gonna help.
THE TAPESTRY IS STARTING TO UNRAVEL:
"Sean Hannity angers Fox News management by charging Tea Party demonstrators to attend show taping...
Fox honchos were reportedly so angry when they learned of the arrangement that they pulled the plug on the event and ordered Hannity to return to the network's headquarters to tape the show at his studio there."
Fox News for a year or more has woven this wrap to produce a pictorial Tea Party to be used by the Republican Party to furnish cover for their real intentions. However, when Rupert Murdoch was caught off guard, when he was asked last week in Washington DC, "should Fox News be supporting The Tea Party", his statement was that Fox News should not be supporting the Tea Party or any other Party.
Either Mr. Murdoch had just had his "Citizen Kane" moment or someone on his staff never informed him that Fox News, not only promoted Tea Party events but a number of it's Host are considered Party Leaders. Now, Mr. Murdoch let's review that journalist "MISSION STATEMENT", how did we get so far off course?
Now the Tea Party must stand on it's own, no free promotions, no talking points and no talking heads; where do we go from here?
Why do teabaggers hate being called teabaggers?
Hey, it's now been a full year, and many of us tried to warn the TEA Party people that they were being played politically to raise big money for the GOP Political Action Committees - and far too many people didn't do their due diligence to just figure out who was behind this sad charade!
We've ALL got to get the hate off our plate - it's fine to loathe what people do, but there's no rational reason for this hateful rhetoric!
My demographic is very diverse, and frankly there is not one demographic that is more deserving than our troops, military families and veterans - and it's sad how many of our own do not have the ability to objectively analyze the facts and separate facts from fiction - that is really sad!
Most of the TEA Party people I've met and talked with simply don't know they are being victimized by professional political operatives exploiting their emotions, time and taking their money to stuff their pockets - it's a cruel con game that robs people of their valuable votes, freedoms and liberties!
This is how many in the mass are conned into voting against their best interests!
The 2010 political cycle theme has gone from simple, to silly, to stupid, to insane! I have one word for anyone making mistakes - STOP!
We're about a month from Nevada Early Voting, it's time to take a deep breath, and start doing your due diligence and looking at the facts! Good people have to muster the personal discipline to separate their emotions and feelings and look objectively at the facts!
STOP casting popular votes - get pragmatic and support like-minded candidates that have actually made a specific commitment to your views on the issues! To do this, all of us have to have a little sense of humility and seriously consider the value of our votes!
I'm all for VTBO (Voting the Bums Out) - when we have incumbents that have failed to do their duty in representing us! But, when we have incumbents worthy of re-electing, we should seriously consider the value of their experience and service and re-elect them!
It doesn't matter people if you like Harry Reid, or not, just look at the facts! If you take all of Harry's opponents, ALL OF THEM TOGETHER HAVE NOT DONE NEARLY AS MUCH AS HARRY REID HAS DONE FOR NEVADA!
There are no "perfect" candidates folks - all of them are people, so the best we can do is cast a ballot for the best qualified candidates!
Why would anyone in their right mind want to replace our Senior Senator from Nevada who has risen to the singularly high position of U. S. Senate Majority Leader - NOT voting for Harry Reid is just NUTS - be rational and GET REAL!
There are hundreds of rational, politically astute and very intelligent Republicans who are openly supporting Harry Reid in his re-election - THAT is a FACT! So, all of you undecided Republicans out there ask yourself just one question - WHY ARE SO MANY REPUBLICANS SUPPORTING HARRY REID? The answer: Harry Reid is the best qualified candidate!
"KillerB, with all due respect, where were YOU when Bush was..."
Axiom -- protesting when Bush visited the City, working with one of my Congresspeople on opposing the surveillance, etc. So yeah, I am due some respect from you.
Your turn -- "where were YOU when ..."
Larry,
It's over. They are OFFICALLY TEABAGGERS.
Deal with it.
So, is the Congressional Black Caucus racists because they have no white members?
How about the NAACP?
Maybe Jesus' disciples were racist???
Gmager,
Only in the mind of haters...
birther -- a conspiracy theorist who challenges President Obama's US birth certificate
death panel -- a theoretical body that determines which patients deserve to live, when care is rationed
teabagger -- a person who protests President Obama's tax policies and stimulus package, often through local demonstrations known as "Tea Party" protests (in allusion to the Boston Tea Party of 1773
Angry,
I am not going to respond to your racist name calling...
"Most of the TEA Party people I've met and talked with simply don't know they are being victimized by professional political operatives exploiting their emotions, time and taking their money to stuff their pockets - it's a cruel con game that robs people of their valuable votes, freedoms and liberties!"
--Johnathan Abbinett
Well said, Johnathan. Thanks for taking the time to post something thoughtful and sensible.
the bags are going the way of the "no-nothing" party...
Jon Ralston........
A rabid dog has passion, that doesn't make it
a good thing.
". . a feeling that their fury can be so easily manipulated by demagogues punching the right phrases, serving the most flavorful Kool-Aid."
Just curious Mr. Ralston, did you write a similar article when presidential hopeful Obama was running for office?
I have read most of these posts and am totally blown away at how most of the liberals here have forgotten the liberal anti war protests. Your party had signs and banners calling Bush and republicans every disgusting name imaginable. Dressed up in stupid costumes....the one that comes to mind is pig faces, people with their children in toe, had bandages around their heads, and red all over laying in heaps in the middle of a protest as though they were dead. Did I add, children in toe, modeled after their parents with bandages and fake blood. They started buildings on fire, they threw rocks from freeway overpasses and spit on people and have you forgotten the shoe throwing incident that you guys thought was great. The one sign that still p8sses me off was" the only good soldier is a dead soldier" you guys are dispicable and the worst kind of hypocrit.
Oh Yeah the left anti-war Demonstrations. These demonstrations were almost totally ignored by the media. One had to watch C-Span to see them. The USA invaded Iraq, and we killed Tens of thousands of Iraqis, and we tortured great numbers of Iraqis.
But it is OK, because we as Americans can do whatever we want. The Bush Administration will be remembered as War Criminals, and that will be our legacy. So, we have lost our position of ethical higher ground with the rest of the world.
We have the answer for the rest of the world:
Forget You!
One of these days the US may get our comeuppance. We will be able to lay that at feet of the Bush Administration our position. We as Americans are also responsible, because we let the Criminal Bushies get away with Murder and Torture.
None of these overly fed white people that show up at these Tea Party Gatherings demonstrated any displeasure with the illegal war practices of the Bush administration. When the Democratic Party doesn't take a substantial loss in the fall, the Tea Party Movement will be forgotten.
Unless, of course a lone right wing nut commits some horrific act of violence.
Glenn Beck will be held blameless by them, no matter how much gasoline he pours on the fire.
Are you saying the liberal media forgot to televise the anti war demonstrations? Why? would it portray them as being radical and you can't have that now can you?
Bushies get away with Murder and Torture. A response to this would be better left to the families of the peace workers whose beheaded bodies were thrown in the streets and their heads were staked on the sides of the road. You would rather the terrorists be mirandized.You obviously are pro terrorist. If Glen Beck, who is neither republican nor Democrat were in favor of the liberal agenda, he would be a hero. I wonder when the conservative party regains majority and fixes this country, will the liberal such as yourself, either climb on board, or sit down and shut up.
The Tea Party was initially manufactured by insurance lobbyist groups afraid of reform, any reform. They were sent out last summer, with a well organized plan to disrupt town hall meetings. This scam got enough coverage to "spawn" other groups who think they are justifiably angry at the federal government and especially at Obama who they think was not born here, and is a Marxist, communist, socialist, facsist, traitor, Muslim terrorist....it goes on and on. Michele Bachmann calls his administration in front of a DC tax day, tea party crowd of thousands a "gangster government" that needs to be "taken out." Not voted out, but "taken out." She is not some disgruntled person from the Heartland, but a United States Congressional Representative telling folks this sh**. Lock and load,reload by Sarah Palin, Devil's city, (to desribe the town he works in and the seat of our government), by Saxby Chambliss who sounded a more than a little tipsy that day, and so it goes... These people have no clue as to what the H they are angry about because when polled, the majority said what they were taxed and the rate that they were taxed at was fair. Taxed Enough Already? Not according to the baggers.
Lipton:
The anti war protests are simple to understand if you are a believer in God, and have a conscience.
If you voted for Bush in 2000 you do not have blood on your hands. I was a Texan while he was Governor and while his politics were pretty awful to me, he was, through a glitch in our system, selected President. We lived with it.
If you voted for Bush in 2004 and had knowledge of a missing year and a political appointment was one guys resume (Bush), and the other guys resume was time in Viet Nam, and you KNEW that we had began, unprovoked, bombing Iraqi babies and their mothers you have blood on your hands, and are a hypocrite of giant proportions.
Obama is coming seriously close to this same finding in Afghanistan. If he does not control the bombs, the dems who re-elect him will be as guilty as the republicans are now for the Iraqi children.
Your thoughts are really bizarre and forget who threw the first punch. The USSR died from lack of funds, Iraq was on its way.
Obama is a smart, educated, wise man. He has earned our trust, for a while. You have earned our scorn, because you haven't been honorable.
Angry Voter---watch this
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/20...
From Angry
"Now let's explore why they are racists. Fear. Fear mongering by people like my good friend Sherm and his toady in a cowboy hat. Fear mongering by the likes of the Slime Report and Andrew Dimbart. Fear mongering by the fake journalists that comprise World Net Daily and the NPRI."
I guess it is ok when the left does their hate mongering and threats.
Jeff, I am not denying the liberals have the right to protest for what they don't believe in. My point is, they ridicule, call names, accuse, and they're protest for something they don't believe in, is no different than the tea party. For every nasty remark, there is an opposite equal about their activities, when they disagreed with the admins decision making. Of course their behavior would be understandable to another liberal, just as the tea party is understandable to a conservative. So if Obama controls the killings now, he and those who voted for him will be relieved of any guilt for the killing of innocent people during war time? and who threw the first punch?
It was a joke Mr. Teabag aka "no-nothing" because they had no turn out of nothings.
Even the local dittohead station has fired it's manager for poor ratings and the involvement in the failed and scandalized Las Vegas veteran's concerts that haven't got money to the Vets.
Hopefully the new manager will fire the local on the air people who have no-talent, which is all of them.
huh?
Jon Ralston makes me throw up in my mouth. He thinks he's so much more relevant than he actually is.
Jon, stop being so melodramatic about the tea partiers. If they're so inconsequential, why do you spend so much time bagging on them? Do you really think that most of them can't see right through your elitist, backhanded compliments? Well, it's as clear (& petty & classless) as waterford. I'm not even a tea party supporter, but I can't believe how they have gotten under your skin.
I find it interesting that the word "knowledge" is touted in the headline of this story. Jon no offense but this is mere politics not the search for the Higgs Boson. Could it be that the phrase "political science" is the greatest oxymoron of our time?
The addition of the term "teabagger" to the dictionary is an acknowledgment that it was not in use prior to the tea party.
teabagger -- a person who protests President Obama's tax policies and stimulus package, often through local demonstrations known as "Tea Party" protests (in allusion to the Boston Tea Party of 1773
While Larry is right that there are many offensive words in the dictionary, this is not one of them.
In conclusion...
I noticed that John Ralston did not use the vulgar term for Tea Party Members in his editorial.
So why does the LV SUN tolerate the use of that vulgarism on their discussion site?
Most dictionaries contain numerous words are considered vulgar and are not fit to use in public.
I would like to hear the response of these name callers if their children were to use some of the vulgar words in the dictionary and then say: "Oh, it's alright to use the word, because it is in the dictionary..."
I want to know where the poster gets his facts, that tea party people hate america. Has this person heard the protestors say they hate america or is this his opinion?
Jon Ralston reminds me of a liberal Bill O' Reily. He asks a question, then constantly interupts them. Makes me nuts.
holy cow!!!! If you look a little at the history of the Nazis, you will also see that the govt controlled the people and their money. If there is anything that needs to be watched is the govt evolution into what we have today. And if "words are powerful" this is according to Clintons speech refering to the tea party, then tell me, how powerful do you think Obamas words were when he said, "total destruction", "devastation" and "people will die". Give me a break.The minute he opened his mouth wall street took the biggest dive in this countries history and our economy plummeted into the toilet. His other comments " with or without you" "either climb on board or sit down and shut up"(just a couple off the top of my head) advocates anger and protest, then he gets mad when americans are angry and protest.
how do you know its the wrong direction? Economic uncertainty? so what you're saying is, its the tea party peoples fault that Obama is pushing us into a socialistic dictatorship? Thats as bad as Obama and his follwers blaming Bush and the republicans for the 12 billion our great granchildren will owe. Its time Obama take some responsiblity for his actions and stop blaming others for what he's doing to this country.
WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES ENCOURAGED THE GROWTH OF THE NAZI PARTY
AFTER WORLD WAR I?
The traumatic shock of defeat in World War I, which millions of Germans could not accept; the terms of the Versailles Treaty, universally condemned by Germans; and the economic collapse, involving hyper-inflation by 1923 and the massive depression beginning in 1929 were the conditions which rendered the German people, particularly, the middle class, vulnerable to the appeal of the Nazis.
Now just where do you think this govt is taking us? recession to inflation and totally dependent on govt to take care of things. Just as it is, today. The tea party hasn't taken us to this point, Obama has.
From 1924 to 1929, under the rule of Stresemann, Germany enjoyed rapid economic progress. By 1929 production was well over the pre-war level. But there were three hidden dangers in her economy: (i) Foreign loans, mostly from the United States, provided most of the working capital. They might be withdrawn at any moment. (ii) Her economic prosperity depended upon export trade and not on an expansion of the home market. Any contraction of the overseas market might lead to industrial slump in Germany. (iii) Unemployment in Germany never fell below a million. Thus German economic prosperity rested on flimsy foundations. It collapsed as soon as the Great Depression set in.
This part is really scarey, I mean really scarey.
The onset of the Great Depression led to mass unemployment. Unemployed workers turned to the Communists for salvation. As the Communists grew in strength, the landowners, industrialists, the middle class people and the conservative right-wing politicians all turned to support the Nazis.
(iv) Hitler was an able leader. He was able to convince the Germans that he was a man of action and of ideals. The Nazi programme promised everything to everybody. To the landowner and the industrialists, Hitler promised to be a bulwark against Communism. To the middle classes, he promised to abolish the Treaty of Versailles and relieve them of the burden of reparations payment. To the workers, he promised economic and social reforms - including nationalization of the trusts. To the army, he promised military glory. To most of the Germans, Hitler seemed to be a Messiah who could deliver them from fear and starvation. Hitler was also a gifted orator. His speeches, though containing little truth in them, could always make successful appeals to the masses. Moreover, the Nazi Party, with its huge mass meetings, parades and formation of S.A. and S.S. troops were attractive to the younger generation. As a result, many middle class young men were recruited into the S.S. and S.A.
now nitro, you forgot the whole story!!! You picked an exerpt and it sounded like the tea party so therefore, you must relate it to the rise of Nazi Germany. It had nothing to do with economics and the man in power? This sh8t scares me.
I meant trillion, not billion.
I so disagree with. the tea parties are voicing their distaste of this admin and where its leading us. If the democrats would let it be just that, instead of the venom they come up with, and the accusations they accuse the protestors of, and the race remarks,the ugly names they call them,the tea parties would be exactly what they are, a protest, the democrats have made them look much uglier than they really are. Now why do you think that is? What do you think might happen if the democrats just said, they have the right to protest and excercise their right to free speech, and let it be. What do you think would happen? You couldn't possibly think the democrats are adding fuel to the fire right? Then there's Obama, that smuggly announces, they amuse me. The arrogance.He is suppose to be the commander and chief of ALL americans. No nitro, I believe if the democrats would leave the protestors to protest, you might just find less ugly publicity, less name calling, less accusations and less angry people. The protestors should not stop their protest, its their right, the democrats should stop the venom towards them.I don't imagine, when the democrats are against something their govt is doing, they will sit on their thumbs any more than they can expect the tea partiers to do. It is hypocritical to criticize the tea partiers for doing exactly the same as the democrats do when they don't like what govt is doing. I use to tell my kids, when you point fingers, there's 3 more pointed right back at you.
lipton says: "... the liberal anti war protests. ... The one sign that still p8sses me off was" the only good soldier is a dead soldier" you guys are dispicable and the worst kind of hypocrit."
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That isn't liberals, that's the work of the "Westboro Baptist Chuch" and Fred Phelps and they're about as liberal as Mussolini or Glenn Beck.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...
They hate the troops and they hate America because they really really really hate gays. Don't ask me to explain their twisted logic, check them out for yourself. They're extreme right wingnuts.
They even had to pass a law to keep the Phelps Phreaks away from soldiers' funerals because they'd show up with their anti-gay, anti-soldier signs and protest dead troops!
I think they're extreme leftists. All during the anti war democrat demonsrations.
quit trying to blame your nasty behaviors on someone else.
Democratic Party
Phelps has run in various Kansas Dem More..ocratic Party primaries five times, but has never won. These included races for governor in 1990, 1994, and 1998, receiving about 15 percent of the vote in 1998.[58] In the 1992 Democratic Party primary for U.S. Senate, Phelps received 31 percent of the vote.[59] Phelps ran for mayor of Topeka in 1993[60] and 1997.[61]
Support for Al Gore
Phelps supported Al Gore in the 1988 Democratic Party primary election.[62] In his 1984 Senate race, Gore opposed a "gay bill of rights" and stated that homosexuality was not something that "society should affirm".[63] Phelps has stated that he supported Gore because of these earlier comments.[64] According to Phelps, members of the Westboro Baptist Church helped run Gore's 1988 campaign in Kansas. Phelps' son, Fred Phelps Jr., hosted a Gore fundraiser at his home in Topeka and was a Gore delegate to the 1988 Democratic National Convention.[16] Gore spokesman Dag Vega declined to comment; "We are not dignifying those stories with a response."[65]
hey, isn't it against the terms of use to solicit or advertize in the comment sections?
that was quick.
Two words about libs who want to focus on extreme groups.......William Ayers.
another two words.
Rep. Hilda L. Solis President-elect Barack Obama's head of the Labor Department has close ties to U.S. communist and socialist organizations.He met her when she was a member of the underground with Ayers.and she runs our labor dept.
another two words.
Van Jones. a proclaimed communist.
nitro, I suppose you think its funny that Reids campaign sent a goat and chickens to Lowdens office to ridicule her for the barter comment. Thats not trying to agitate anyone or add fuel to any fire right? Had the republicans done something like that, what do you suppose the democrats would be doing or saying?
now thats dispicable and the worst kind of hypocrit.
Lipton is calling Obama the equivalent of Hitler.
It's inane and remarkably senseless, but I guess when you're posting nuttiness, it fills the
void of space. It's certainly not scary...just silly, and obviously meant to incite... something.
That Tea-bagging Club; They are wacky fun!!!
hhhmmm interesting assessment, considering nitro accused the republicans of:
If you look a little in a history book you'll find out that the nazi party in Germany was born and grow to power out of similar situation that the US is in right now and the ideology and fears that formed the tea party have striking similarities to their nazi counterparts.I wonder if his comment was meant to "incite" something?
I don't believe I called Obama the equivalent of Hitler. Is that the conclusion you came to with the info I provided? how bazzar!
and I do believe the democrats drew swazticas all over Bush during their anti war campaign.
how soon we forget? silly rabbit! oh, theres another barter critter. As sgtrock says, Reid bartered for healthcare votes, I think rabbits are perfectly appropriate little barter critters.
lipton, thank you for going out of your way to be the poster-person of the neoConservative fruitcake party. If only you could apply the same perseverance to researching both sides of the issue, not just what you hear on Fox News...
I wish the Sun could implement a mic or webcam option for some of these commentators, it would be high comedy to see or hear the musings of a great minds like lipton or jlb or Pvt.Pyle...unintentional comedy at its finest.
JahReb is a intelligent person who posts well comments that have logic and evidence.
Here is an example: "Nah...Nah...Hahie....I am smart and you are dumb....han...han...hanie"
Go back and drink so more kooliad goofball.
Jah hah, not one piece of info was taken from Fox.Its called The History site!!!!The barter comment was actually taken from a Sun article posted Sunday.Walking around blind, not seeing the real world, can be a great thing, until you fall down and get hurt.
lipton, thanks for all that cut & paste from my link about the Fred Phelps phreaks and thier Westboro Baptist Church.
They are indeed the protesters you saw with signs saying "the only good soldier is a dead soldier." They are most definitely NOT liberals.
In the early history that you cut & posted, they associated themselves with Democrats and also with Al Gore, but as you can see that was long before Phelps started his infamous soldier hatred. Back then Phelps was your basic religious nut job in the bible belt.
This is the very next paragraph you forgot to include in your cut & paste:
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[Phelps'] Opposition to Al Gore, Bill Clinton, and Hillary Rodham Clinton.
During the 1992 presidential campaign, Phelps protested Hillary Rodham Clinton during a campaign speech in support of the Clinton-Gore ticket at the University of Kansas on October 14, 1992. In Bill Clinton's second presidential campaign, Phelps and the Westboro church also opposed Clinton and Gore because of the administration's support for gay rights. The entire Westboro congregation picketed a 1997 inaugural ball,denouncing Gore as a "famous f@g pimp." In 1998, Westboro picketed the funeral of Gore's father, screaming vulgarities at Gore and telling him, "your dad's in Hell."
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You didn't see that part that you left out?
You can now see the Fred Phelps phreaks of the Westboro Baptist Church and their disgusting signs like "the only good soldier is a dead soldier" are NOT liberals and only a deranged fool or desperate liar would imply they are.
Mia, That last paragraph was not forgotten, it was not pertinent to the fact that Phelps is a democrat. when you tried telling us he is an extreme right wing nut. and 1998 was not that long ago. You would have us believe because he is radical. With the fact of it, sitting right in front of you, you would still make excuses and deny it.I find that a typical trait of your party.
Phelps ran for office as recent as 1998 as a "democrat" Mia.
Nitro,so your point of view is, anyone but a democrat who walks in lockstep with Obamas agenda, should have no rights at all, because it could cause waves?? The only ones being violent and provoking violence are the democrats.
Shall we review, or maybe MSNBC caught it.
It's bizarre when hear criticism of "Anti-War" activists - what about being "Pro-Peace" - when are we going to become patriotic about peace?
I only support Just Wars, reluctantly, as an absolute last resort when every reasonable attempt to use diplomacy has failed - and I know of not one combat veteran (in their right mind) that disagrees! The only vets that tout war as a solution to anything are the vets that never went to war and saw the horrors and futility!
GEEEEESHE!
"Tea Party supporters are wealthier and more well-educated than the general public, and are no more or less afraid of falling into a lower socioeconomic class, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll."
Rasmussen Poll: "Seventy percent (70%) of Republican voters have a favorable opinion of the Tea Party movement while only seven percent (7%) offer an unfavorable view. Interestingly, 49% of Democrats have no opinion one way or the other.
Among unaffiliated voters, 43% have a favorable opinion of the Tea Party efforts while 20% say the opposite."
People of any race and age are free and welcome to join the rallies. If they choose not to -- well, that is their choice.
You may not agree with the concerns that Tea Party members have, but you should celebrate the freedom that we have where people are allowed to express their views.
And, many of the negative comments have one thing in common: stereotyping. Stereotyping never works.
lipton, I'm not going to change your mind about Fred Phelps and his Westboro Baptist Church, regardless of the facts.
I just took offense at how you tried to sneak those gay-hating, soldier-hating religious wackos into the liberal camp, among the millions who protested against the invasion of Iraq.
You want people to believe that the Phelps phreaks are liberals despite the fact they protested against President Clinton, then protested against Gore and even shouted vulgarities to Gore at his father's funeral!
And I don't care how many times Phelps called himself a democrat. Phelps can call himself the Pope of Topeka and pull altar boys out of his funny hat but to claim that Phelps, who called President Obama "the antichrist" and owns the website GodHatesF*gs.com is a liberal, is pure sophistry and deceit.
That's the only way Republicans still win elections; by misleading and confusing people.