Investors swoop in again, but do they bring a stigma?
Instead of flipping homes and inflating values, new absentee buyers eat up excess inventory and fill properties with renters
Real estate investor Mike Lathigee, shown Wednesday in front of a home he bought near Durango Drive and U.S. 95, says investors are often criticized for making money even though they are improving neighborhoods by fixing up and renting homes that would otherwise sit vacant.
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Investors are increasing their share of the Las Vegas Valley housing market, renewing the debate about whether that’s good or bad news.
Absentee buyers — primarily investors and some second-home buyers from out of state — purchased 45 percent of homes sold in Las Vegas in February, up from 43 percent in January, according to Andrew LePage, spokesman for San Diego-based MDA DataQuick.
Investors were blamed for the artificial inflation of housing values a few years ago. The median house price rose from $164,000 in 2003 to $275,000 in 2005.
Prices have remained fairly stable over the past year with Las Vegas-based SalesTraq pegging the median price at $119,000 through the first two months of 2010.
Housing analysts maintain that this wave of investors is more savvy. They’re more interested in buying the houses to rent them out rather than “flipping” them, that is, selling them quickly for a higher price.
Few of the current crop of investors will overpay for houses — as evidenced by the median price of their purchases in February, $104,000.
Speculators during the housing boom kept bumping up prices in part because they were flipping the houses — until the bubble collapsed on them and just about every other homeowner in Southern Nevada.
Home values have plummeted so that 70 percent of valley homeowners owe more on their homes than those properties are worth.
Housing analysts argue that the investors of 2010 are helping those homeowners by gobbling up the oversupply of homes for sale. In September 2007, the valley had 27,417 homes for sale. Last month, the total was 10,298.
If the excess inventory had lingered or grown, home values would have declined more, to the detriment of existing homeowners and local governments that need higher property values to bring in more property tax revenue.
Not only are investors “buying up the inventory, they also are providing houses at affordable rents,” said Dennis Smith, president of Home Builders Research. “There haven’t been that many apartments built. The investors who are renting out homes are satisfying a niche.”
Many families who lost homes to foreclosure don’t want to move into an apartment because they aren’t large enough, Smith said. They are paying $1,100 to $1,300 a month in rent instead of mortgage payments of $1,800 to $2,500 in many cases, he said.
“Where would they go if they didn’t have houses to rent?” Smith said.
Conventional wisdom is that a neighborhood full of rental houses will hurt property values because those people don’t have any significant, long-term investment in those homes.
In some cases that may be true, Smith said, but property values also suffer when homes sit vacant, so it can often be much better to have renters living in homes.
“Yes, we see a lot of investors coming in, but that is a good thing because we are selling homes and those units aren’t empty,” said Steve Bottfeld, executive vice president of Marketing Solutions. “When you put someone in one, that makes the neighborhood better. That factor is always overlooked.”
And many renters today are former homeowners, he added. Once they get their credit scores back up and improve their finances, they will be buying a home again.
Investors are proving to be a problem for first-time homebuyers, who are trying to get a deal on foreclosure properties. The investors often win out because they are able to pay cash. All-cash deals comprised 52 percent of home sales in February, LePage said. That advantage is a reason why the general public might cuss investors.
Motivated buyers, however, don’t give up and eventually find their home, Smith said. In some cases, their inability to find an existing home has prompted some to look to new homes whose prices decline more as builders seek entry-level homeowners.
Investors, meanwhile, are fixing up the homes they buy and eventually plan to sell them when the market rebounds and renters are in a position to get loans, Smith said.
That is starting to happen, based on the statistics. Flipping homes had been trending higher in recent months, LePage said. In February, 3.7 percent of homes sold had been sold three weeks to six months earlier. Five percent were flipped in January, he said.
“The positives are this inventory gets taken out of the foreclosure market, and it gets sold and people living in those houses are paying homeowner association fees and the community can continue paying for its services,” said Mike Lathigee, a Las Vegas investor who has bought more than 100 homes and condominiums. He has rented some and sold others.
He said he and his fellow investors don’t get enough credit for turning around neighborhoods by fixing up homes and condos.
“We get criticized for making money, but we are doing a great service.”
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Renters? There goes the neighborhood!! Section 8 just around the corner. Existing owners sell your homes before their value plummets even further!!
the best part of this news is that taxes are being collected and the properties are hopefully being kept in good condition. you cant have it all in this economy and there will be problems in some cases, but you can always move if you need a quick solution.
u can't stop them. it going to happen. so investor out there u want to buy my house. it going on short sale next week
Great, out of state owners buy the homes at fire sale prices and rent them to scum. In my neighbood its easy to spot the rentals, their the ones with little to no landscaping, junk all around the property, lots of cars parked in the street and driveway, some on blocks. They usually are occupied by several families with lots of kids and toys. The only positive out of this is that Code Enforcement will have to hire more inspectors and that will help our unemployment rate.
In general, renters NEVER upkeep the property like the owner. I don't see how this is a good thing other than a warm body filling the house.
Is it better to have an empty house or a house with garbage all over the front lawn? toys, cars, work bench, weights...I could go on and on.
I'd rather have it empty.
Las Vegas' real estate situation is going to be F'd up for a long, long time. They should have made a quick law...you buy it, you live in it (minimum 6 months) I know that is impossible to enforce but these homes should be bought and lived in by the buyer.
Now every real estate wannabe (the next crop of losers) wants to buy in Las Vegas. Go back to California and work on your own problems.
<<He said he and his fellow investors don't get enough credit for turning around neighborhoods by fixing up homes and condos.
"We get criticized for making money, but we are doing a great service.">>
Yeah, fixing them up and then turning them over to renters who don't give a rats ass about the neighborhood, the lawn, the home itself.
Great service my @ss. A great service is for the investor to buy the home AND live in it.
And don't forget that many renters have "apartment dogs" that they put out in the backyard all day and night. These little terrier types bark, bark and bark while their owners are working in their smoke filled casinos.
These people are a scourge in once decent neighborhoods. Now HOA's are starting to make sense. You can't move rats into the hen house, and not expect consequences.
dont believe everything reported....
It's true that sellers would rather sell to an investor than to a guy buying a home for his family. Many potential home-buyers have given up because of the sweet-heart deals between investors and realtors. They're called slum-lords for a reason, and the valley is getting slummier by the minute.
THE *LAST* GROUP OF GENIUS LEGISLATORS TOOK AWAY THE POWER OF HOA'S TO LIMIT RENTALS WITHIN THE HOA DEVELOPEMENT.
*TOOK AWAY*
DID YOU GET THAT..?
EVERY ONE OF THOSE SCUM-BAG 'CONNECTED' REAL-ESTATE POLITICOS KNEW THEY WERE STICKIN' IT TO YOU.
THEY CHANGED THE LAW BECAUSE THEIR 'PALS' IN REAL-ESTATE WANTED TO MAKE MORE 'RENTER' DOUGH.
ALL THE LOCAL 'CONNECTED INVESTORS' WANTED TO KEEP THE SECTION 8, SECTION 42, CULINARY UNION GOVERNMENT GRANT GIVEAWAY PROGRAMS, REAL-ESTATE 'ASSISTANCE' PROGRAMS BIG TIME DOUGH FLOWING INTO THEIR GREASY POCKETS.
SO THEIR 'LEGISLATIVE PALS' DID THE DIRTY AND GAVE THEM WHAT THEY WERE 'TOLD' TO DO.
AND CHANGED THE LAW.
IT'S NOW *ILLEGAL* FOR HOA'S TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF RENTALS ALLOWED IN THE DEVELOPMENT.
NRS 116.335 (SB 253 (6))
*ILLEGAL* THANKS TO THE 'CONNECTED' LEGISLATIVE 'PALS'......
awesome. I'll buy one tomorrow.
Yay for american capitalism! the people with money to invest (that's capital, folks) make more money! and more money! the people without money to invest are f&%#ed! yay for american capitalism, bringing you a new aristocracy!
This article reads like the old saying about putting lipstick on a pig. The simple fact is nobody takes care of someone elses property like they would if it's their own. It's been that way since man crawled out caves. Besides without a job how are you going to make a rent payment? It comes down to jobs people and that aint goin to happen overnight.
Las Vegas is one city where HOA's are a must. I can't tell you how many times I've driven around and see garbage, outright garbage on the front lawns. Purple and pink paint on houses. Cars parked on the lawn.
How about the former Lt. Governer's house?...with the freaking roller coaster eyesore?..and all the other junk.
It's amazing how many degenerates have no clue about taking care of property...or the decency of being a good neighbor.
<<Many families who lost homes to foreclosure don't want to move into an apartment because they aren't large enough, Smith said. They are paying $1,100 to $1,300 a month in rent instead of mortgage payments of $1,800 to $2,500 in many cases, he said.>>
Too bad. make do with a smaller place. The days of owning a home with extra anything (bedrooms, bathrooms, study, den, playroom) are over. Buy what is used on a daily basis. I still see these house hunter shows where a young couple is buying a 4 bedroom/4 bath home. Then after they close they find out it's 500/month to air condition or heat the place....all empty rooms.
The american people better start downsizing....everything.
TomD1228 sounds like a nanny state bureaucrat.
Ever heard of freedom of choice?
I live in a HOA and I don't like it. They rule like Nazi's with nothing better to do.
Until they bulldoze 50% of the houses then prices will always be depressed. Las Vegas can only sustain half the population it had.
Laughable... truley laughable... "savy investors" fools and thier money are soon parted. It never ceases to amaze me that all the parties that have a stake in the real estate game. and that is what it truely is to them a game, are still touting the local market any way they can. These are the same people who brought us the recession in the beginning. The real estate market in Las Vegas is like the Titanic... its not sunk yet. but its going to go down boys and girls. We still have about 500k plus transients out of work on unemplyment living here instead of thier home country, and it won't be much longer before they move on after unemplyment runs out. Who's gonna rent those 100+k homes then.
Noindex...If freedom of choice is painting your house pink or parking the car on the front lawn, I'll take the HOA's everytime.
Anyone with half a brain can drive around Vegas and see the difference between non HOA neighborhoods and those that have them. If you don't care what your neighbor does to his property, by all means move to those neighborhoods. It's all about common courtesy to your neighbors.
I definitely like the HOAs. I wish we had them in my neighborhood. It would keep the illegals from have ten cars parked in their front yard.
If so many dead beats would not walk away from their homes and not pay for them as they agreed to do then these houses would not be up for sale at Ten Cents on the Dollar to those that saved their money to buy now.
Don't blame those that have cash. They are not the ones walking away from their obligations.
they contribute nothing but more headaches. Yes, they buy an empty house...and put in more transient deadbeats who have a few months rent to spare. In the meantime, you are going to get unmaintained property, garbage on the front lawn, pitbulls in the backyard, cars on cinderblocks "waiting" to be worked on...and on and on.
Ultimately there is no good solution...lets leave it at that instead of trying to mislead people into thinking these "investors" are trying to help neighborhoods.
They want to make money first and foremost. Everything else is a distant second.
Oh - like you homeowners are so f'n wonderful. It was homeowners, not renters, who went belly up, morons. And no one owns their homes anyway - you pay that MORTGAGE to the bank. You own nothing. The bank is RENTING the house to you and your MORTGAGE is your rent payment. How many 'homeowners' trashed their place when the banks kicked them out dropping your property values? If you ask me this is renter's revenge! Decades of people telling us it's better to get tied down into a mortgage so the place where we live counts towards something instead of "throwing our money away." And think of the thousands you've spent making your place better and all the maintenance you've put into it and NOW look at its value. And all the hours you've spent on it. All so you homeowners get your great tax write-offs. A lot of good that's done you all in the end.
I've rented for years in places that are properly managed and maintained in different parts of the country. (Last I checked you're allowed to go to different parts of the country for a better job or life - instead of all the miserable people who seem to still like living in NV according to the posters.)
Now I don't want to hear people saying, "But that's the American dream! They promised! It wasn't supposed to be like this!" Uh-huh. Trying to saddle up to the people who whine about others who knew they couldn't afford a home and did it anyway? You know - the ones you said, "My banker and real estate agent said this was a good thing to do!" You're not cutting them any slack and I don't cut any slack to your dreams either.
For those into the HOAs and don't have one - get on the backs of the County and look at the property ordinances. Read them! If a neighbor is violating them get the County on their butt. If the County won't follow their own guidelines then let whoever is running against them in the next election know this so they can use it as ammunition to defeat them!
As long as these investors are paying property taxes, let them invest in our real estate market.
Tommyd
How about spilling your story of woe so we can all share your sorrow?
Wish I had money. I'd be buying and renting, also.
Good posts, Chediski.
The barking dogs, 10 cars to a home, junk and loud music are things I come across every day from OWNERS in my all-white, gated, HOA-governed community in Mountain's Edge.
To throw that stigma onto "illegals" and "transients" is quite petty and narrow-minded. If you don't like what you see, then move.
HOAs are only as good (or as bad) as the membership who sit on the Board of Directors and/or at least attend meetings. It's been my observation over the years that most owners in HOAs who moan and groan about them are the ones who never bother to get involved.
From Mike Lathigee
Here are a few facts for those concerned about investors:
-bought 48 units over many months in a complex of 424 units called Desert Shores
-the project had consistent calls from police and was a problem community.
-many of the owner's mortgages far exceeded the values of the properties. as they stopped making mortgage payments and HOA payments the community had more and more problems. many times owners simply had tenants to collect as much rent as possible before the bank took over the property
-we bought many of these properties in short sales.
-we had a screening process for the new renters.
-many of the 'challenging' tenants were replaced with new tenants
-recently the LV police department stated that the community was the most improved community in Las Vegas with police calls to the complex dropping dramatically
-other investors have also bought in this complex.
-the vacant units are getting cleaned up and HOA fees are getting paid so the Board can take care of several overdue projects
-for those who don't like investors that is the results that investors can get to help a community
-there are certainly some challenges with investor properties but there are also benefits and I have outlined this in this example. The truth is there is good aspects and bad aspects to investors but this is a great case study of investors assisting a community. We often get comments from people in the community of how much better they enjoy living in Desert Shores now.
-For a challenge we should all be concerned please go to www.faircollectionfees.com
just what my neighborhood needs.. lots of renters who wouldnt normally be able to aford to live here.. perfect.. cause we all know that renters take such good care of their houses and make such great neighbors..
I purchase my condo several years before the melt down, so I didn't buy at the very top.As an investor I am very concerned about the condition of my investment. Not only to protect my investment but to be a good neighbor. This investment will provide for me in part some income when I retire. It affords me to make annual trips to Las Vegas and write it off as a tax expense.
It's really not that easy to purchase short sales.Last year my girlfriend and I tried to purchase a 3br condo in Soaring Gulls. We offered to pay cash a little above the asking price but in the end the bank had the last say.
We aren't discouraged and will continue to search as we love Las Vegas. I certainly hope the that economy gets better there and around the country. We all need to cross our fingers that the China bubble doesn't pop any time soon.
"Before this recession, people were spending their perceived wealth.The values of their homes were up, their investments and their 401(k)'s were up. Now that wealth is gone and they're back to spending their real income."
~ PAM DANZIGER ~
@ Chairman,
You must be talking about Broadstone in Desert Shores... that place was a mess when the Speculators were buying just to hold for a year and to flip.
It has CERTAINLY been cleaned up Dramatically in the past year..
To the rest of you blaming investors with stereotypical comments... most of the time it's the many lame Property Managers that never leave the office and just collect a portion of the rent check that are the problem.
Do you really think Out of State Investors have an idea of what is going on 24/7?
If you know of a rental home in your neighborhood poorly managed.. just send the actual homeowner a nice letter letting them know and I'm sure it will be taken care of pretty swiftly.
The majority of out of state investors don't know how lame / lazy their property managers are.
How about this, Everyone who came here for the once plentiful numbskull jobs offered by the idiot corporate hotel/casinos and are now out of the numbskull job and collecting unemployment, please leave as soon as possible. Next lets bulldoze all of these cheaply made grade 3 materials so called homes built on little plots of land right up against each other. Return Las Vegas to a more manageable population and worker to available job ratio.
environprotector
This last post of your's is really idiotic.
MANY people who moved to Vegas during 2000-2003 were NOT working in the casino industry nor the constrution industry. They LIKED Las Vegas and wanted to make a life there. They had jobs in different areas other than gaming. But then MANY of those people lost their jobs because of the total employment situation in Las Vegas and the State. No variable sources of employment means no jobs except in the gaming industry, which is based on discretionary income and whims. IF Nevada had a more diversified economy other than the gaming industry, do you really think things would have tanked the way they did?
Noindex did not read the book of rules before you moved to a HOA,go live on a gehtto street.Enjoy the garbage lifestyle.
las vegas is full of some of the angriest, blame others people I have ever seen. check the above comments. blame everything on renters?! are you serious?! you can always move to Cuba where the government controls all aspects of life. Damn I didn't really understand all the hate, renters! seriously? idiocracy at its best, lmao! I live in a neighborhood of mostly mobile homes yep mostly white all home owners. many cars in the drive way, broken down fences, total filth. I have lived in many states. where I lived, houses were built in the 1920's they are kept up better than the mobile homes and older neighborhoods, damn you people need some serious therapy. this is why I post articles like these on facebook, so many people have the belief that LV is a great place to live, that people here are laid back and tolerable. comment after comment prove the lack of education, understanding of the economy, and intolerance and ignorance. thank god i was educated somewhere else and actually follow the values taught in the bible, tolerance being one.instead of contributing to the betterment of your neighborhoods you sit back and complain. if you hate others so much leave the Earth and tell the creator how you hate the other people he put on the Earth. Happy Easter
Chill out wakeup ! some of us are long time residents who have seen this town go to &$#@, and have very good reasons to be upset about it. And yes we do have some people to blame for it. Our economy used to be recession proof because it didn't grow out of control, and was small enough to sustain itself. So you see we have good reason to resent the overdevelopment crimes committed by developers and their compatriots real estate industry and lenders. as well as the corporate fools in the casino industry.
You all will be lucky if you get renters! Alot of these so-called investors are turning their properties into group homes. Ever live next to one of those? You'll wish it was renters!
I hope the vultures who are taking over peoples homes end up losing their a--! I don't know who they think they will rent to. Who can afford $1000 a month rent? Oh, yeah....section 8 or strippers. Forgot about them....