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Not all doctors agree with AMA support of bill
Monday, Nov. 9, 2009 | 2:02 a.m.
I have practiced medicine in Las Vegas since 1972, and I believe the American Medical Association’s support of the current Democratic health care legislation in Congress is outrageous. I have, therefore, canceled my membership to the AMA after having been a member for 29 years.
At present only 17 percent to 19 percent of physicians belong to the AMA. At no time have either I or any other members of the AMA to my knowledge been polled regarding our position or thoughts on this important legislation.
Thus the implication that the AMA represents anyone, let alone the majority of physicians, is really a fraud. Frankly, this bill is a disaster for our senior citizens, which should be a matter of great concern to those who rely on Medicare for their health care.
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As the H.R. 3962 vote count hit the 218 needed to secure passage, Democrats erupted in whoops, hollers, cheers and high-fives. They turned to hug and kiss each other and then shouted out a countdown of the last 10 seconds before the vote closed.
On 11-7-2009, in a midnight vote, the Nancy Pelosi House passed her 2% solution. After a dramatic visit by President Obama (to "answer the call of history") and the Stupak Pro-life amendment voted 220-215 to pass Health Insurance reform Nancy has a Health Insurance bill with a public option that will only cover 2% of the people and it costs just 1.2 trillion dollars.
The buying of Democratic votes had to go right down to the wire. Even with the Pro-life amendment bring over 64 votes, Democrats still had 39 defections; a switch of just 2 more congressmen would have lost it. The House also defeated the Republicans' plan (H.R. 3962 - Boehner Substitute Amendment), which was a more common-sense and fiscally responsible approach.
The Stupak Pro-life amendment brings us back to Obama's address to the American Nation from the "Halls of Congress" felt he was right to ridicule and call my opposition to the abortion position "a lie, plain and simple.
The fact that Obama and the Democrats finally had to capitulate and put a pro-life amendment into the Health Insurance bill show we were telling the truth. Obama implored critics to stop "phony claims" but Obama failed to debunk in his words the "more outrageous myths" of the healthcare proposals
Now people may believe Joe Wilson when he stood up and yelled "you lie". This bill has a provision to allow over 2 million illegals to get health care. The problem is,is that there will be more than 2 million.
I've been a democrat for 40 years. I will now change my party. The dems' don't deserve the dirt off my boots. I give thanks to the repub's and the handful of Dem's for trying.
you know what every single licensed physician in the great state of nevada should be doing???
they should be screaming at the top of their lungs at the pathetic performance of and culture at the nevada state board of medical examiners!!!
you know what the ama should do???
they should condemn the nevada state board of medical examiners as totally and completely incompetent!!!
that would do more to elevate the quality of medical care the citizens of the great state of nevada receive than anything else could possibly do...
for seniors and non-seniors alike...
period...
end of story...
I understand that over forty percent of America's doctors are considering leaving the practice if this monstrocity passes. Wouldn't that be too bad for the idiot in charge, Obama. I wonder if he will issue an executive order and force them to return to work.
jlb101, you posters are selecting issues based on your own personal desires. Did Dr. Kantor serve in Vietnam? I seriously doubt it. I don't agree with the wars we are waging, all because of our differences as related to the bible, torah, and koran (butt wipes for the LOO). Show me the money! Healthcare insurers are all about rich WASP getting richer, that's the bottom line. They guard their "whites-only" welfare (subsidies) just like farmers, ranchers, and dairy folks. End of story.
The American Medical Association (AMA) was facing a 21 percent cut in physicians' reimbursements under the current law. Obama promised to kill the cut if they backed his bill. The cuts are the fruit of a law requiring annual 5-6 percent reductions in doctor reimbursements for treating Medicare patients. Bravely, each year Congress has rolled the cuts over, suspending them but not repealing them. So each year, the accumulated cuts threaten doctors. By now, they have risen to 21 percent. With this blackmail leverage, Obama compelled the AMA to support his bill...or else!
40% of doctors are considering leaving the practice of medicine if health care reform passes...
hee hee hee...
hoo hoo hoo...
haa haa haa...
isn't it funny how those who are part of the problem always scream the loudest when change is near...
what a joke...
good riddance...
the herd needs thinning anyway...
too many bad doctors who do it solely for the money...
period...
end of story...
and goodness knows the medical board doesn't protect the citizens of the great state of nevada...
The lazy bums that will live off the free health care that everyone else will pay for should be forced to work or should be left to rot. Thats the herd that needs to be thin-out BIRD!
Birdie, the medical board wasn't designed to protect health care consumers. It was designed to protect doctors and fund the government by having doctors pay large fees. This is just one of MANY reasons why we need less government, not more.
And then there's the AARP...
The AARP got a financial windfall in return for its support of the healthcare bill. Over the past decade, the AARP has morphed from an advocacy group to an insurance company. It is one of the main suppliers of Medi-gap insurance, a high-cost, privately purchased coverage that picks up where Medicare leaves off. But President Bush-43 passed the Medicare Advantage program, which offered a subsidized, lower-cost alternative to Medi-gap. Under Medicare Advantage, the elderly get all the extra coverage they need plus coordinated, well-managed care, usually by the same physician. So more than 10 million seniors went with Medicare Advantage, cutting into AARP Medi-gap revenues.
Why do you think AARP has been advertising their Medi-gap so much???
Dr. Kantor: Bully!
Dingo: WTF does this have to do with Vietnam? You sound like Walter Sobchak in "The Big Lebowski." Either put down the crack pipe orr stick to a subject you know, you friend and confidant Neal Bush.
Question of the Day: Is Obama an idiot or simply a fool?
jib01 said:
"I understand that over forty percent of America's doctors are considering leaving the practice if this monstrocity passes. "
Larry said:
"The American Medical Association (AMA) was facing a 21 percent cut in physicians' reimbursements under the current law. Obama promised to kill the cut if they backed his bill."
Where do you people come up with this stuff?
hey patrick...
do we actually agree on something...
that the medical board protects its' own and not the citizens of the great state of nevada...
stop the presses!!!
Congress in 2003 passed a one-year spending patch to fix the problem; six fixes later, that "temporary" solution has become an annual, bipartisan affair that hasn't solved the fundamental problem. So now, unless Congress acts, doctors are looking at a wage cut of 21% next year and 40% the year after.
ThisOneGuy can come up with this same stuff by looking it up. No big secret.
ThisOneGuy said...
"Where do you people come up with this stuff?"
It's called FOX NEWS and nut case right-wing radio!
birdiedreamin:
Every body does everything solely for the money. Where have you been? Mother Teresa died.
I'm glad "the good doc" chimed in to educate people on the farce that is the AMA (and all gov health agencies) THEY"RE ALL BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY THE DRUG COMPANIES PEOPLE! The drug companies are for profit corporations. Since when does healing have anything to do with turning a profit? It doesn't! The more disease they create (side effects, chemicals, artificial this and that) the more money they make! It's a huge scam and this bill does not address it, if anything, it makes the drug companies more powerful and screws the doctors which will in turn screw the patients. You can't screw the doctor and expect to come out ahead.
ThisOneGuy-One of the major polling organizations, Investor Business Daily/TIPP sent out 1376 questionaires on August 28, 2009. One of the questions asked if the doctors would consider giveing up medicine if the national health care bill would pass. Forty one percent said they were seriously considering it. Sixty five percent said they opposed national health care as has been proposed.
That is exactly where I got this stuff! I would give Investors Business Daily more credibility than most news organizations, especially more than the N.Y. Slimes.
I would trust the drug companies more than I would the lying idiot Obamba, Botox queen Pelosee, and Whorehouse Harry Reid. There are bottom feeders and there is slime underneath that which is where you find those three.
I worked in the medical field for 36 years. So I feel I do know a few facts. I was a member of the AARP for several years not anymore they have become a joke, as for the AMA they are a bigger joke. Seems most think they know alot about this new so call health bill. If it goes through help us all Insured and Uninsured. This will distroy medicine in the United States.
Well, one good thing came from the congressional vote on Saturday! A lot of Dems will be looking for jobs after November 2010. But I also heard Obama will have a new Czar position open around that time. The who can kiss my (Obama) A$$ the best czar. Come to think of it, a lot of Senators will be applying for that job in 2010 as well! (Harry Reid)
Instead of "Not all doctors agree with AMA support of bill" the article should be titled "Vast Majority of Doctors Disagree with AMA Support of HC Bill". Why not call a spade a spade? Why pussyfoot around the issue? Bureaucrats don't provide health care! Lawyers don't provide health care! Drug companies and insurance companies don't provide health care! Doctors and surgeons provide health care! If anything, we need LESS gov and drug companies dictating our health care! May doctors would like to use "unapproved" un-patentable health care procedures such as ozone therapy for cancer patents (ozone is used first in Germany to fight cancer, no side effects, highly effective) but the drug companies have fought ozone tooth and nail because it's cheap and effective (and un-patentable!) Once the gov calls all the shots, they will only pimp the drug companies ho's (drugs) upon the sheeple in lieu of natural health alternatives that are cheaper and more effective.
"40% of doctors are considering leaving the practice of medicine if health care reform passes...
hee hee hee...
hoo hoo hoo...
haa haa haa...
isn't it funny how those who are part of the problem always scream the loudest when change is near...
what a joke...
good riddance...
the herd needs thinning anyway...
too many bad doctors who do it solely for the money...
period...
end of story...
and goodness knows the medical board doesn't protect the citizens of the great state of nevada..."
I agree completely! I have lived in several countries and in my opinion Australia has one of the best systems. I have spoken to many Doctors there and they are sent through college for free to serve their country. They have no school loans to pay back so they don't have to charge so much to their patients. And all the ones that I have spoken to feel a sense of duty just like out soldiers do...
No Wolfy...
It's called TIME Magazine: Latest Threat to Health Reform: Docs' Reimbursement
By Jay Newton-Small / Washington Wednesday, Oct. 21, 2009.
and...
NPR and Kaiser Health ran a story today which talked about the long term issues of the 'Doctor Fix' bill.
and there's more if you care to look...
Same whining cry baby arguments that were made in Canada before they passed single payer.
The world was going to end, being preached by a bunch of right wing idiots with no knowledge of what they are talking about.
Chicken littles with no courage to move outside their comfort zone and into anything new.
Too bad whiners YOU LOSE!
In ten years you will be saying that the health care system is the greatest thing we have ever done in America and threatening to boot any politician who dares to try to dissolve it.
Exactly like the Canadian experience.
All you chicken little, sky is falling, nut jobs take a valium and relax.
Health care reform IS going to pass. And the world is not going to end, and the doctors will continue to practice and the hospitals will continue to function and the sky will stay up where it belongs.
Anyone saying anything else is a liar or a fool.
Interesting that a physician who made his millions on the back's of tax payors (Dr. K is a nephrologist) by virtue of supplying services to chronic kidney failure patients who are consistantly covered by medicare; would be up in arms about the the government extending ins. coverage. He really puts the "Hypocrite" into the Hippocratic oath.
The Canadian experience? More like the Canadian nightmare, skippy!
http://yedda.com/questions/Canadian_Soci...
It's interesting that when people think they are getting something for free, that makes them satisfied with the product they are receiving. They become satisfied with the status quo and lack the fortitude to expand beyond getting something for "free."
Many Canadians are happy with their free health coverage until they have a major illness. Those who had major illnesses are less satisfied with the service that they have received. Many Canadians who can afford it will seek medical treatment in the U.S.
Angry,
No one is saying medicine is going to disappear in the US. But when doctors disappear cause they are making less than guys flipping burgers at McDonalds and the well oiled machine (total sarcasm) of Congress is in control of your healthcare, being able to get access to it will disappear. You think waiting a couple hours to get seen at your current doctor when you have an appointment is long? Wait till you can't get in at all, or even better, not get to see your doctor of choice at all. That is what will happen if the healthcare reform gets past the senate.
realitycheck....the biggest hurdle we have in our healthcare system is our current legal system and serious need for tort reform. until that happens, we will continue to lose good physicians, and pay higher costs....as the insurers will just raise their rates to cover any litigation related costs.
I know that from working more than 20 years in the healthcare and insurance industry (both provider side and payor side).
Also, if you really think that have Gov't intervention/control in healthcare delivery/financing is good, then just look at the mess that both Medicare and the VA are in.
Need I say more?
In some sense, maybe this is a good thing. We will rid our society of the obese, chain smoking, drug using, heavy drinking crowd that will not get the MRI's they need in time or the heart treatment, etc they need to survive in the future. Let's look on the bright side and realize us healthy, fit, non smoking, non heavy drinking, folk will be all that's left in 10-20 years! In other words, this bill will kill off liberals en mass! FELLOW CONSERVATIVES, LET IT BE, LET IT BE!
I heard through the grape vine Obama plans on appointing a Josef Mengele protege as the Health Car Czar once the HC bill is passed. Nothing like a little population control to excite the elites! http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/...
"I don't need no stinkin' health care insurance".
Here is what God wants you to do to live a healthy life:
1) Avoid all vaccines. They contradict the natural path of viruses into the immune system and contain toxins which cause auto-antibody diseases, cancers, etc.
2) Eat plenty of organic fruits, veggies, and protein every day.
3) Exercise often, avoid obesity!
4) Eat small, frequent meals. Longevity is gained by eating a low caloric diet (heads up).
5) Turn to natural remedies (herbs, essential oils, ozone, etc) when the body is in a state of dis-ease; avoid pharma drugs. They kill (ask Danny Gans or MJ)
6) Live a stress free, good life. Miserable liberal F-s will die an early death, guaranteed.
Let it be written, let it be done!
Sergio: Let's also abolish the "Do Nothing" Department of Energy and put that agency's budget into a fund to pay for medical care for the saggers, taggers, indolent, Leftists, illegal aliens, obese, and drug addicts. Did I leave any special entitlement groups out?
We should have a dept of energy, but with maybe 1-2M in funding to oversee "free energy" projects. Bush doubled the size of the inept education dept and look at all the good that's done to raise the USA's SAT scores. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/15/educat... Under Bush and his massive expansion of the Dept of Education, Match scores actually went down! That is a perfect example of how inept gov is at solving problems.
Home of the brave? Land of the Free? Shessh, maybe once upon a time, but not anymore. We're now land of the "you're gonna mind somebody boy" slaves.
Since when is a doctor worth all that money? They don't save anybody's life. The drug companies do. The doctors just tell you to "try" this for 30 days and see if it works, if it doesn't work we'll "try" some other drug. All they do is prescribe what some drug salesman told him to. Why don't we just ask the drug company ourselves. Fck the doctors.
hus, implementation of the administrative and learning opportunities aspects of the law would require a new sum of $144.5 billion or an increase of 29% in educational spending. http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/cus...
That was the estimate given to the politicians before voting that into law. Now that it's law, the size of the education dept has more than doubled the previous size and the cost is in the 300 billion range.
"So prophet, why are you against education?" I'm not against education, moron! I'm against government agencies! A gov agency is like a fat, lazy, "I can care less" king, but with more power since a fat lazy king can be assassinated! You can't kill a three headed gov bureaucracy once created, even if it doesn't work! We the tax payers are screwed! I can only think of ONE large gov bureaucracy that works like a well oiled machine at even 50% efficiency of the private sector, the post office. And that's because of sorting technology and because sorting mail basically isn't rocket science. I mention the post office because gov health care proponents point at USPS vs Fedex to rationalize gov health care. Apples and oranges. Health care is very COMPLEX and needs to work like a well oiled clock in order to promote health. You need prevention, quick diagnosis, and quick treatment in many instances to prevent death. "Quick" is not something that lends itself to red tape, panels, and quotas! Let me put it another way. If your life depended on it, which service would you use to deliver a package by 12 noon next day? UPS or FedEx next day air or the USPS Express mail? USPS Express mail is NOT GUARANTEED to arrive next day, maybe yes, maybe no. They'll try their best. Fedex and UPS GUARANTEE the package will arrive by 12. But like I said, the vast majority of people who will be killed by this HC bill will be "worthless feeders" who did not take care of their bodies, not the health folk who exercise, watch their weight, believe in god (studies show believers live longer, happier lives) etc. Those are just the facts. You libs are going to get what you deserve with this bill, PERIOD!
Phargo,
You're right, many doctors are pharma drug company ho-wares. We don't need them. We need surgeons! We need technology to diagnose and quickly treat life threatening conditions! We don't need pharma drugs! Pharma drugs kill more people than cancer, more than illegal drug use! Pharma drugs also cause side effects which makes you need more drugs! Natural remedies are what heal. Even animals have the innate sense to eat certain roots, leaves, etc when they're sick to heal themselves in nature. Some people think we're smarter than God and can fool with mother nature. Those people, like Danny Gans and M. Jackson do so at their own peril!
Darth,
No burger flippers will ever make more than a physician. That's more fear mongering and lies.
And anyone telling lies about the Canadian experience has no clue what they are talking about.
The most respected person in Canadian history is the man that gave them universal health care.
Facts are facts, stupid lame stories by people who know nothing about what they are writing about are lies and propaganda. Like simple minded Sergio and his idotic unrealistic nonsense.
Anything you say is total nonsense Sergio the Douche. You sit here and spew lies and disinformation. Quote something with some repute to it, or make an argument that isn't facetious and weak next time.
Go eat leaves and beeries and leave the rational discussion to educated individuals.
Douche.
Phargo, I hope you never need a Doctor. With your thinking I think you would just be SOL
Angry Reader,
Care to refute any of those articles about the Canadian Nightmare Health Care System? There are what, 30-40 links to stories FROM CANADA about the health crisis caused by socialized medicine. Read them. Find one that isn't true, then I'll tell you what a sage, great person you are. Until then, you are what you are. Don't even need to say it. Some things are self evident.
Sergio the Douche,
They are lies and propaganda, not a fact among them. You can't post garbage, call it truth, then tell other people to disprove it.
I claim you are a babbling fool with crap for brains, and you sleep with your sister! I know that for a fact. Now prove me wrong!
That's the way you argue, it is silly and pointless and no one should listen to a lie you perpetuate.
EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE YOU POINT TO IS FALSE!
Do some research about who the Canadians consider the most important historical figure then get back to me douche bag.
Sergio the prophet of bullsh*^.
Those who would like to read the truth, go here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care...
Sergio is a lying tool.
In November 2004, Canadians voted Tommy Douglas, Canada's "father of Medicare," the Greatest Canadian of all time following a nationwide contest sponsored by the CBC.
Canada is a nation of lazy social parasites. If Iceland attacked them Canada would lose. I don't understand how people can give away all their freedom so they can get something they think is free. Stupid Stupid people.
"Canada is a nation of lazy social parasites."
I have two Canadian ex-wives so I almost have to agree with this statement. But I would have to reduce that number to two.
e.g. "Canada is a nation with 2 lazy social parasites collecting alimony from me".
There that's better.
What a surprise that AR has 2 exes from South Park. Maybe he's Man Bear Pig! Oh no! Go tell Al!
Okay MBP, I'll humor you. I'll delineate a few if not hundreds of "horror stories" about your beloved Canadian health care system. Just because they treated you from herpes for free in a timely manner when you lived there doesn't mean their system "is the bomb" as your ilk says. Ready, Skippy? Here we go. Which article is not telling the truth:
#1 More than 1,000 orthopedic, gynecological and general surgery patients in Kelowna have been left wondering when their operations will take place because Interior Health has ended its contract with the private operating facility that was to do the procedures.
Okanagan Health Surgical Centre took on day surgery cases for 312 years to alleviate the backlog at Kelowna General Hospital. The centre's six surgeons treated 914 orthopedic patients in 2007, and several hundred more gynecological and general surgery patients.
http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healt...
Lorne Aston, one of Dr. O'Farrell's patients, was on the waiting list at OHSC for surgery to correct a torn shoulder muscle until last week. The 74-year-old retiree has had heart bypass surgery in the past and was forced to stop the exercising he is supposed to do as part of his recovery.
"If it takes a year to get in there, I will be really frustrated, that's for sure. I thought I'd get in in two or three months," he said.
"It's all going to be held up because it is going to be done at the hospital and everything is so darned crammed there."
Ms. Konnert said Interior Health is open to further dialogue with OHSC.
"We have been very disappointed to be going through this. We had a good partnership with them. And they certainly helped us create some capacity in Kelowna General."
A spokeswoman for B.C. Health Minister George Abbott said officials are aware of the situation and are "working on it."
(Tap out any time, Man Bear Pig, when this debate beating I'm going to give you becomes to painful)
#2 The average wait time for a Canadian awaiting surgery or other medical treatment is now 18.3 weeks, a new high, according to a report released Monday.
That's an increase of 97 per cent over 14 years, the report says.
"Canadians wait longer than Americans, Germans, and Swedes for cardiac care, although not as long as New Zealanders or the British," it reads. "Economists attempting to quantify the cost of this waiting time have estimated it to amount to $1,100 to $5,600 annually per patient."
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/1...
Cancer patients question why
PET scan not covered
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/05/2...
BC Medical Association:
Waiting Too Long for Hip and Knee Surgery Costs
$10,000 Per Patient-Maximum Wait Times Should
Be No Longer Than 6 Months
http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/...
A four-year-old Newfoundland boy who has already lost one kidney to cancer is facing a staggering 21/2-year wait for a scan on the province's only magnetic-resonance-imaging machine.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/arti...
Tap out yet or let the beating continue?
Again, all articles about Canada:
More than 5,500 children - some of whom can't hear or see properly - are on waiting lists as long as one year for corrective surgery in Montreal's two pediatric hospitals, The Gazette has learned.
http://www.canada.com/fortstjohn/story.h...
Many cancers kill kids within 1 year. Maybe that moron from FL who said Rep's solution to healh care is "LET THEM DIE" had it all wrong. The socialized solution is "MAKE THEM WAIT SO LONG THEY DIE". Libs = MORONS!
No tap out yet? Let the beating continue:
About Canada's Socialized Medicine:
Babies and toddlers are waiting twice as long for hernia surgery than is considered safe, increasing the risk they will need urgent bowel surgery and may suffer damage to a testicle or ovary, a new study has concluded.
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/...
Beryl Wajsman's Institute for Public Affairs of Montrealhas recently published a bulletin entitled "To See Suffering and Try To Heal it: Citizens respond to sick kids crisis". Calling our attention to the "More than 5,500 children - some of whom can't hear or see properly -- [who] are on waiting lists as long as one year for [elective] corrective surgery in Montreal's two paediatric hospitals", the introductory paragraph continues: "The province-wide shortage of anaesthetists and operating room nurses is not a burden that should rest on the backs of these kids."
Dr. Mark Roper notes that this is yet another supply-side cost control; a class action suit is being undertaken by a Church minister working with Dr. John Harald against the Quebec government and the Quebec Federation of Family Physicians on the grounds that the public's right to have a family physician has been violated (See .medicalpost.com/ ) and wonders about the possibility of initiating class action suits to fight against limitations in recruitment of physicians (by manpower plans) and nurses (by outlawing signing or recruitment bonuses).
Apologists for the Government of Quebec acknowledge the shortage of physicians, pointing out that the cutting of student numbers in medical schools coincided with a much higher proportion of female medical students, who tend to work fewer hours on graduation than their male counterparts. The government is attempting to change the way that care is given by faithfully adhering to the principles first expressed by Claude Castonguay and Roy Romanow. Wednesday Nighters point to the disproportionate amount of money being spent on research and treatment of popularized diseases, and the perceived uncompetitive nature of the current system, as well as the failure to adequately provide for an increasingly aging and growing population. No one knows for certain the direction that Medicare will take, or if some aspects of a two-tier system will be introduced, but change is a certainty and patients should be at the forefront of advocating change - let us hope for the better.
Angry: At least we now know what has caused your angst. Are you gearing up to be a three-time loser?
I rest my case. Canadian's are so SCREWED because they can't get the medical attention they need in time because of their current system. What good is owning a fancy car if you don't have the keys? What good is owning a fancy car if you have to wait weeks, months, even years sometimes (if ever) to get behind the wheel? I'd rather own a beater that at least will take me from point a to point b at a moments notice vs something that might be great but can't be accessed. That is the crux of this debate.
There's a saying that is apropos. The smallest good deed is BETTER than the largest good intention.
I rest my case.
Dr. Kantor, like many more doctors are giving us their opinion about something of which they are experts. I appreciate the information, and also agree. We can argue until doomsday but you can't get around the fact that we cannot afford $1.2 trillion dollars to cover 2% of the population. There has to be an answer, this simply isn't it.
I disagree Sergio. I lived in Canada and it's not as bad as it's portrayed. They don't have to worry about "paying the next bill".
What good is having the best car in the market when you can't even buy it? Inevitably, there are more than 40 million people who can't afford health.
Canadians are not upset with their system, I lived closed to Canada and they were happy with their system, their most notable and famous person (To them) is the man who designed their health care system. That's bull you heard from FOX news, you so called the
one who knows the truth".
Why is America ranked 30+?
We do have the best doctors and facilities, but it doesn't matter when your people can't afford it.
Frenchie: you are where you belong. What BS, "I lived close to Canada." Hello! They come here for their acute care if they can afford it. Obamacare is all about redistributing income and "levelling" society so that he can ascend to Heaven (which doesn't exist) when he's finished on earth. The Man is delusional in his aspirations.
After more than a decade of public healthcare with mandatory coverage, so many Canadian doctors have left the practice and so many young people have entered other fields that Canada ranks 26th of 28 developed nations in its ratio of physicians to population. Once, Canada ranked among the leaders in the number of physicians, but that was before government healthcare drove doctors out of the practice in droves.
In Canada, there is an eight-month wait for colonoscopies, Because of these long waits for colonoscopies, there is now a 25 percent higher incidence of colon cancer in Canada than in the United States. And because the leading drugs that we routinely use to treat the malady in the U.S. are banned in Canada because of their high cost, 41 percent of Canadians who get the cancer die of it, compared with only 32 percent in the United States.
Overall, the cancer death rate in Canada runs 16 percent higher than in the United States.
From HR 3962: Americans who do not maintain "acceptable health insurance coverage" and who choose not to pay the bill's new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.
Yes, now that I think about it, I'm sure I read in the Constitution that it's permissive to punish people who refuse to buy health insurance.
These liberals are simply over-zealous morons who refuse to see the consequences of what they promote. Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Dodd, Rangle, etc all belong in prison.
LarryVegas:
I have many friends in Canada and not one of
them ever complained about their health care.
A friend just had wrist surgery and waited only one week.
So many untrue stories are spun here.
Larry,
Please go look at the stats on wiki before you quote stats... if you wanna debate how bad american health blows goats as opposed to Canadian health care you gotta go read the facts.
But that is not why I am posting Larry... If you need a colonoscopies I can get you a special with Dr. Sedai.. Not it is kinda of an assembly line operation and you could be hanging from hooks for over 3 hours but i will cut you a special rate... Private message me...
Hey Sergio the Artard... get a life... you and your arguments are old and moldy.
Go away.
LOL, typical lib. Resorts to name calling to dodge the question which he or she can't answer. Speaks volumes.
BTW, since when is "wiki" an absolute authority on anything? Anyone can post their opinion there, it's not an "expert" site by any means and tends to favor the status quo arguments on all subjects. Only a moron would get all of their information from wiki IMO, "look at stats on wiki before posting Larry", lol. Oh, okay, Captain Kangaroo.
Something tells me that I don't want AngryReader involved in anyway if I got one of them there colonoscopies...
Enough aboot Canada, who cares, as long as they keep crossing the border and paying our doctors for simple care let them. It helps keep out doctors in business.
The best quote about healthcare I've heard is, "If the US goes to socialized medicine, where will all the Canadians and Cubans go for their health care?" A funny quote yes, but also a scary truth.
The other thing the left doesn't realize is that this bill will cause doctors to quit practicing. If they are reimbursed at less than or at medicare rates, they will not be able to stay in business. Yes, we will have almost, not all, insured, but what good is it if all those have to wait 6-10 months to get in the door for a bad cold or flu. Is this fear mongering? Not when it's the truth. Why is the left so afraid of the truth?
Health care is a self right, not a constitutional right. Unless, I have misread it, I don't see where it states, "this congress makes tax payer paid healthcare a right to all who live here."
If I am wrong please correct me.
all of you E-thugs FAIL.
sadly, this is not a discussion...but a bunch of children ranting.
LSinLV is correct about the need for tort reform in our medical system.
Without meaningful tort reform there will not be meaningful health care reform...
txtes:
The last time I was in conversation with a doctor he wanted to bend me over and look up my keester with a camera. I told him to have sex with himself. Dr Desai is living proof that we don't need doctors. Nurses do more for sick people than them phony doctors. I always call a nurse for medical advice, she ain't makin' a dime from drug companies.
Typical daily trolls babbling nonsense. They don't have one brain cell amongst them. Libs this, Canadians that, everyone's an idiot, blah, blah, blah. You're correct, LSinLV, just a bunch of ranting and not an iota of truth amongst any of them. Welcome to the daily LVSun forum.
Hey moogie baby... If we are babbling trolls, does that make you a troll want-a-be? But don't worry about us babbling trolls. We will make it through the day and will be back tomorrow.
Get a life, and a brain, LarryVegas. You're here every day with the rest of the goon squad screwing up any discussion, about EVERYTHING! Seriously, you really need to grow up and get a job. Your mom would appreciate it.
Thanks for the advice there moogie...
Per you advice, I would like to grow up and get a job and I know my mom would appreciate it. But, I am grown up, retired and my mother is dead...
So moogie, go somewhere else and find someone else to patronize...
moogie:
eat a booger
It's fantastic to hear Dr. Kantor, an Internist, weigh in as he should on healthcare reform legislation. Southern Nevada has a shortage of Internists, I know I could not find one in ALL of 2004 and EARLY 2005 to schedule me at MGM Mirage reimbursement rates when I need a diagnosis and referrals.
The next time anyone in Clark County needs an Internist and others are closed practices, or cannot schedule patients in a reasonable time window due to high demand, everyone can contact the offices of Dr. Kantor to count on a timely consult, timely referrals (to doctors other than Desai and a couple of other unmentionables in the Nevada Medicine Money Trough).
No matter, Dr. Kantor practices medicine and his views deserve the same attention as all the other leading physicians in the country who DO support healthcare reform.
Here are Dr. Kantor's political contributions for fiscal tax year 2008:
$500 - National Republican Trust PAC
$1300- McCain-Palin Victory 2008 (good one here)
$2300- McCain-Palin Compliance Fund Inc (lawsuits)
$1300- John McCain 2008 Inc
$1000- John MCain
Healthcare reform is about pushing the green more to PCPs struggling to survive financially, know their patient, and preventative front line care. It is also about empowering healthcare providers, certainly teaching and research hospitals.
For those who believe the government cannot afford the cost of healthcare reform, check your numbers on tax benefits for corporations providing self-funded healthcare plans to employees, with minimal protections of Erisa law. Those government subsidies are in the trillions. The government is already footing a big bill, the problem is unacceptable rising costs, access (hello CC Internists full up) and bad behaviors by Big Insurance and some corporations entrusted with stewardship to do the right thing for everyone.
US medicine, unless you quote from Heritage Foundation number crunching-research, is about 34th in the world in overall quality of care.
THIRTY FOURTH!
We have been fighting two wars with considerable attrition for several years, and our care is, one more time, THIRTY FOURTH.
Within country Number Thirty Four, Nevada is ranked just about dead last among that country's fifty states. So, Nevadans can decide person to person how they wish to vote, who they wish to represent them and in what manner and skills level, and whether they support Congressional action, which will pass soon, in 2010.
Healthcare reform in 2009 is a work in progress, a complicated beginning point that will be revisited for improvement in future Congresses as outcomes and numbers become available.
So, we'll see. At this point the majority of medical experts and math number crunchers are on the side of reform, not status quo.
Which is desirable, with over 600,000 Americans in the know and with the means traveling abroad for healthcare this year, and sans changes, from eight to nine million expected to go abroad because of COST-ACCESS within five years.
Actions, not emotions, speak for themselves.
RE: Larry Las Vegas
You personalized a couple of comments recently in rebuttal to my posting. Therefore, without "personalizing", I will gladly, ONE TIME, respond to one of your many posts above.
The healthcare reform in Congress will substantially reduce doughnut hole costs for those on Medicare and making the Pharmacy election. President Obama, Rahm Emanuel and others are to be thanked much for their work with Big Pharmacy.
It's a big, big secret out there, but other than the US Chamber of Commerce, Big Business in America is supporting healthcare reform. They need help with rising costs, too little competition (see McCarren Anti-trust exemption which hopefully Senator Reid can revoke with a Senate amendment and complicated contract plans they have to figure out or pay others to.
It's not just families deeply concerned about being shut out from affordable healthcare.
As for small businesses, you know, the ones the Republican Party has been talking up for years, they already cannot afford healthcare for owners and employees throug the business, as their group rates are much, much higher than corporate rates for large workforces.
WHERE HAVE THE REPUBLICANS AND BUSH 43 BEEN THE PAST EIGHT YEARS ON RISING HEALTHCARE COSTS for FAMILIES, CORPORATIONS AND SMALL BUSINESS?
Well, Bush and Republicans pushed through the Tax Recovery Act in 2003, using the RECONCILIATION PROCESS, a killer estate tax (see nursing home reimbursements paid from estates upon death sans living trust) for middle class Americans to pay for two wars. Trillions in middle and lower class equity targeted there.
Well, Bush 43 rewarded Big Pharma mighty big, tacking them onto the national debt, no accountability in how to pay for them in accrued real time.
Let's move on in America with the right changes, before China, India, France (almost up to our GDP now) move ahead without us.
Gregory:I wonder how much of your drivel ended up on your chin. Bush was a fool but Obama and his puppet-master Emanuel certainly aren't the Marvel Super Heroes you would have us believe. They shouldn't unpact too much of their trash because the fiscally responsible citizens of this country will send them packing in within three years.
Gee Gregory, sorry to see you spent so much of your time writing such a long post about George Bush...