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The developer of the stalled Fontainebleau resort in Las Vegas plans to appeal two key legal rulings in its lawsuit against banks over their decision to stop funding for the project.
In a ruling that appeared to signal the end of Fontainebleau Las Vegas LLC's development of the resort, U.S. District Judge Alan Gold in Miami on Aug. 26 sided with Bank of America and other Fontainebleau revolving-loan lenders in the banks' interpretation of the credit contract at issue.
Gold at that time rejected Fontainebleau's motion for partial summary judgment and an order that the banks immediately turn over $656 million in planned funding needed to restart construction of the project.
A separate group of term lenders, part of a $1 billion term-loan group that had been supportive of Fontainebleau, later cited that ruling when it moved for Fontainebleau's Chapter 11 bankruptcy case be converted to a Chapter 7 liquidation. The bankruptcy judge instead appointed an examiner to supervise the sale of the project.
But in court papers filed Friday, Fontainebleau said it wants to appeal Gold's ruling to the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. It also wants to appeal his ruling moving the lawsuit from the bankruptcy court to U.S. District Court.
Mediation in the lawsuit, in the meantime, has been unsuccessful and the parties reached an impasse, court records show.
"The court’s orders raise issues of law concerning which there are substantial grounds for difference of opinion," attorneys for Fontainebleau said in Friday's filing.
They said the issues it wants to appeal should be decided as soon as possible, not at the conclusion of the lawsuit, because of time constraints facing the bankrupt company.
Fontainebleau said the lawsuit remains "an important part of its efforts to reorganize."
"Deferring an appeal until the conclusion of these proceedings would undermine those efforts, and -- even if successful -- would almost certainly come too late to be of any real assistance," the company said in its filing.
The casino resort developer also said resolution of the issues it wants to appeal would help resolve four other lawsuits related to the banks halting funding this spring after, they said, Fontainebleau defaulted on the loan agreement because of cost overruns and other problems.
Two of those lawsuits pit certain term lenders against the revolver lenders; a third suit was filed by certain term lenders against Fontainebleau; and a fourth was filed by revolving lender Deutsche Bank against Fontainebleau chief Jeffrey Soffer over loan guarantees.
Fontainebleau has borrowed $1.675 billion against the unfinished project -- once valued at $2.9 billion -- and estimates to complete it have ranged from $1.5 billion to $2 billion.
Besides dealing with lenders' claims against the 63-story, 3,815-room resort, Fontainebleau last reported that as of Aug. 17, $615 million of contractor liens had been filed in the case.
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It should be condemned as a safety/fire hazard and torn down
This should shine a light on what not to do when you over extend your a## on a start up!
I used to work in claims for Bechtel on gigantic projects, and know that when subcontractors file liens on a stalled project, they throw everything into the pot. Delays, force majeure, personnel impacts, lost productivity, remobilization costs, cloudy days, ugly office help-you name it. So settling the supposed $615 million subcontractor claims on top of the cost to finish this disaster will be nearly impossible.
And when you then think about having to rehire the same Steve Ross Union All-Star loafers, most who will have been out of work for a long while, you know that $615 Mil is the tip of the iceberg. "Don't kill the job, kid".
"..."The court's orders raise issues of law concerning which there are substantial grounds for difference of opinion," attorneys for Fontainebleau said in Friday's filing...."
OF COURSE THEY SAID THAT. THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO COLLECT ON THE HUGE FEES THEY ARE CONTRACTED TO GET, EVEN IF IT MEANS GOING THROUGH THIS SAME OLD CRAP-OLA WITH A DIFFERENT JUDGE.
I PERSONALLY KNOW SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO LOST THEIR JOBS (NOT IN CONSTRUCTION) AND DECLARED CH 13 BANKRUPTCY. BANKRUPTCY COURT *IS* FEDERAL COURT AND
HAS ULTIMATE JURISDICTION OVER BANKRUPTCIES AND ALL OF THE DEBTOR'S FINANCES.
THIS "WANTING" TO APPEAL BY FONTAINEBLEAU IS LAWYER GENERATED TRIPE.
I AM GOING TO TELL MY FRIENDS TO APPEAL TO DISTRICT COURT TO SEE IF THEY CAN GET OUT OF PAYING *EVEN MORE*.
WAH WAH WAH, ALL THE WAY HOME....
Wizard, sorry to disappoint you, but the U.S. District Court IS the court of appeal for the bankruptcy courts in Florida. That court is required to hear the appeal, whether they think it is b.s. or not.
Then if you don't like what the U.S. District Court says, you can appeal to the Court of Appeals. That court is required to hear the appeal, whether they think it is b.s. or not.
Then, if you don't like what the Court of Appeals says, you can appeal the bankruptcy case to the U.S. Supreme Court. They don't have to take the appeal unless they find it interesting.
You are incorrect. Bankruptcy court does not have "ultimate jurisdiction over bankruptcies and all of the debtor's finances".
Frankly, I thought the U.S. District Court judge in Florida's decision sounded rather slanted and over-reaching, but why should I be surprised. BofA was the main defendant in the case and has lots of juice in every court in the nation. Too bad Paulsen and the FDIC didn't just pull the plug on them last year when they had the chance.
THE FONTAINEBLEAU DEVELPOERS ARE UNPROFESSIONAL AMEATUERS IN EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD - WITH OUT GETTING MUCH MORE GRAPHIC !!!
THE BANKS THRU OUT THE WORLD HAVE ABSOLUTLY NO CONFIDENCE IN THIS REDICULOUS GROUP OF BAFOONS WHO HAVE NO PRIOR EXPERIENCE BUILDING & DEVELOPING LUXURY UPSCALE HOTEL CASINOS AT ALL !!! -- THEY & THERE ATTORNEYS LOOK LIKE HIGH SCHOOL KIDS TRYING TO PULL THE WOOL OVER - VERY INTELLIGENT - SOPHISTICATED & EXPERIENCED BUSINESS PEOPLE !!!
THERE FINANCIAL STRUCTURING OF THE DEAL IS VERY CIRCUMSPECT TO SAY THE LEAST - DO THEY TAKE EVERY ONE FOR FOOLS !!!
EVEN THE LOCATION - THE SIZE OF THE SMALL ROOMS - THE NON CREATIVE THEME - THE DESIGN - ECT ECT ECT WAS DESIGNED TO CUT FINANCIAL CORNERS & SELL THE PUBLIC A BILL OF GOODS !!!!
THAT IS WHY THE PROFESSIONALS HAVE STATED THE PROJECT IS NOT WORTH ANY THING EVEN AFTER THEY ALREADY SPENT OVER 1.5 BILLION ON A TOTALLY FLAWED BUSINESS MODEL - THAT NEEDS ANOTHER TWO BILLION TO COMPLETE IT TO MAKE IT RIGHT !!!
THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPERS SHOULD CONSIDER THEM SELVES LUCKY THAT THE PROJECT WAS JUSTIFIABLY TAKEN AWAY FROM THEM- BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE TO RECIEVE ANY MORE FUNDING & IF THEY WERE ABLE TO COVINCE ANOTHER FINANCIAL SOURCE TO LEND THEM THE EXTRA TWO BILLION DOLLARS - THEY COULD NOT FINANCIALLY SUSTAIN THIS ILL PLANNED PROJECT & THEY WOULD ONLY LOOSE MORE MONEY & PER HAPS THERE OWN PERSONAL MONIES TO CHASE AN UNREALISTIC DREAM TO PLAY IN THE BIG LEAUGES - AGAINST - STEVE WYNN - SHELDON ADELSON & MGM/MIRAGE !!!
IF THE ABOVE SEASONED & VERY EXPERIENCED HOTEL CASINO OPERATORS ARE CURRENTLY FINANCIALLY CHALLENGED - YOU COULD IMAGINE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THESE JUNIOR ACHIEVMENT CLOWNS !!!
THE CORPORATE LESSON TO BE LEARNED BY THIS CORPORATE TRAGEDY IS WHEN YOU GIVE RESPONSABILITY TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT EARNED THAT PROFESSIONAL PRIVILEGE - YOU ARE CREATING A RECIPE FOR EMBARRASING & HUMILIATING FAILURE FOR ALL PARTIES THAT ARE INVOLVED!!!
Belair..Jeff Soffer's father Don started Turnberry over 40 years ago and has built many Highrise buildings..Every developer gets bit once in awhile and they struckout on this project.
If you'll remember 6 months ago MGM/Mirage almost struckout on City Center. Calling them a ridiculous group of baffoons is a little ridiculous.
RELAXMAX -- YOU OBVIOUSLY CHOOSE TO CONVENIENTLY
NOT WANT TO RECOGNIZE - BELAIR SAID THE BAFFOONS HAVE NO MEGA STRUCTURE HOTEL CASINO DEVELOPING EXPERIENCE -- BUILDING HIGH RISE CONDOS - IS A FAR CRY FROM BUILDING - MEGA SRUCTURE HOTEL CASINO THEMES !!!
I APPRECIATE YOUR WANTING TO PROTECT YOUR FRIENDS SENSATIVE EGO'S - BUTLIVING IN DENIAL & NOT BEING A MAN & EXCEPTING YOUR FAILURES WILL NEVER ALLOW YOUR GOOD FRIENDS TO GROW & MATURE INTO MORE SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS MEN IN THE FUTURE!!
SOME TIMES EVEN A GOOD FATHER HAS TO SPANK HIS CHILDREN WHEN THEY ARE CRYING OUT TO BE DISCIPLINED & IF HE DOES NOT DISCIPLINE THEM HE WILL EVENTUALLY CREATE A MONSTER !!!
SOME DAY YOUR FRIENDS WILL THANK PEOPLE LIKE ME FOR ALLOWING THEM TO GROW - IN A VERY STRONG & HEALTHY EMOTIONAL & PROFESSIONAL STATE --
TEN YEARS FROM NOW YOUR FRIENDS MIGHT GET ANOTHER BITE OUT OF THE APPLE & BE MUCH BETTER PREPARED PROFESSIONALLY - WITH THE PROPER LIFES EXPERIENCES !!!!
As is often the case, only the attorneys will benefit from the God-awful mess that this project/bankruptcy has become. Meanwhile the property itself continues to deteriorate and will soon be good for nothing but implosion. There are so many lessons to be learned from this whole fiasco that it's impossible to know where to start!
I took one look at this monstrosity when it was in the early stages of construction and said to myself, there's no way this will get open. This was even before the credit meltdown.
It just looked like the wrong type of structure in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I am amazed these developers could not see the writing on the wall much earlier.
Is it a waste of money to build more large Casinos in Las Vegas? The NV economy cannot support the current number of casinos or its current labor population. Gaming is done as a mainstay, gambling is everywhere. American discretionary income will shrink under Obama proposed taxes and regulation costs lowering employment; higher taxes and a shrinking national economy will stymie non-gaming industries moving to NV, something the state disparately needs; diversity.
I'm tryin to recover from my headache from BELLAIR's ALL CAPS ALL THE TIME crap, but I really think that Fountainblows could be turned into something very nice like a "New Stardust" as BORIS keeps shouting, however a half finished construction project will do nothing for nobody, so someone better get their good foot on and make it go...
DEAR MISS ENVIRONPROTECTOR -- YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE WRONG THINGS !!!
BELAIRS CAPS VS - LOWER CASE !!!
THE INTELLIGENT WORLD ENVYS YOU FOR HAVING THE LUXURY OF BEING UPSET ABOUT LARGE CAPS VS
INTELLIGENT CONTENT !!!
HOLLOWEEN NIGHT - MY GIRLFRIEND THOUGHT YOU WERE ACTUALLY VERY INTERESTING & SMART !!!
SO GO FIGURE - PERSONAL PERCEPTION !!!!
EVERY ONE IN THE WORLD SHOULD HAVE YOUR PROBLEMS -- WHAT A LUXURY WOULD THAT BE !!!
Belair.. I do agree with most of what you said they are an Unprofessional Group of Bafoons. But you are wrong in the fact that they have no experience, they do, they remodeled and built additions to the Fontainebleau in Miami Beach. At first they put it out for bid and James Cummings (An Outstanding GC) was going to do it for 600 Million, but Jeffery Soffer deceided he could save millions if he did it himself through Turnberry Construction a respected company his dad started years ago. Well he did complete. At what cost you ask ? 1.6 Billion and all respect and credit that Turnberry Construction had. They can't even buy a gallon of paint on credit. I have been in construction all my life and I never seen more idiots with very little construction experience in charge. One of Turnberry's supervisor saw a lazer on the wall and ask me "What is that I have never seen that before". We were told we are behide schedule hurry up and hang this ceiling and hang drywall on it, so we did. Next day they tell us "we forget to put the AC ducts up there, tear it all down". Things like this happen daily. One step foward two steps back. And in the end Turnberry's ripoffs all the sub-contractors. So Belair you are wrong in the fact that they don't have any experience, they do have experience in tripling the budget, running the project in the ground, and not paying any of the sub-contractors. Don Soffer made a big mistake letting his idiot son any where near the construction business, he should have left him in the speedboat business, he was only losing a couple million a year, not billons.
Burnemandturnem... As far as the attorneys being the only ones making money I am sure you wrong on that. The firm that represented him fired him.
Why ? Because it is not Jeffery style to pay any bills. I am sure the word is out, an the only attorney he can get is someone who just passed the bar and think he has hit the big time with this new client. He will find out how wrong he is after he summits his first invoice. Jeffery should have your username - Burn them and turn them. That what he does to contractors and attonerys. Burn there invoices and turn to the next victim. As far as I am concerned Jeffery deserves a bunk by Madoff. I can you steal materials from suppliers, labor for workers and get away with it. Florida Construction Law Sucks!!!
ATTENTION -- MAX -- YOU ARE PROBABLY RIGHT ABOUT THE FONTAINEBLEAU BAFFOON DEVELOPERS & THAT THEY ARE BORDERING ON HUGE VERY SOPHISTICATED - WHITE COLLAR CRIME -- BUT IT IS NOT FOR ME TO BE THE JUDGE & JURY OF THERE ABUSIVE - IMMORAL - UNETHICAL - TOTALLY ABSORBED SELFISH BEHAVIOR !!!
I AM SURE THE BANKS ARE QUITE AWARE OF THE ABOVE & ARE PROBABLY GOING TO KEEP THERE ACE IN THE HOLE FOR A LATER DATE IF - LEGALLY NEEDED !!
I AM SORRY THEY TOOK FINANCIAL ADVANTAGE OF YOU
WITH ABSOLUTELY NO CONSCIENCE -- THEY WILL EVENTUALLY WILL HAVE TO ANSWER TO A HIGHER AUTHORITY !!!
UNFORTUNATELY YOU ARE NOT THE FIRST PERSON THE BAFFOONS HAVE HURT & I AM SURE YOU WON'T BE THE LAST !!!
THEY PROBABLY HAVE THE SAME MIND SET OF A BERNIE MADOFF - BUT THEY ARE NOT AS SMART OR SOPHISTICATED AS MADOFF & IF THEY COULD DESIGN A SCHEME TO UP STAGE MADOFF & FOOLISHLY THINK THEY COULD GET AWAY WITH IT - THEY PROBABLY WOULD WITH THERE ADOLESCENT UNREALISTIC - SHELTERED THINKING - WOULD PROBABLY TRY IT !!!!
AGAIN LETS GIVE THEM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT & PRESUME THE ENTIRE FAMILY IS INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY !!!
ALL PARTIES THAT BENFITTED FROM THERE ALLEGED SCHEMES WOULD BE CO CONSPIRATORS UNFORTUNATELY --
GREED IS HEALTHY - BUT ABNORMAL GREED IS USUALLY
A MENTAL & EMOTIONAL PROBLEM !!!
LEONA HELMSLEY - MARTHA STUART - IVAN BOSKEY -
DENNIS KOSLOFSKY - & OF COURSE THE POSTER BOY OF
ULTIMATE - PSYCOPATHIC GREED - BERNIE MADOFF - MUST BE THE FONTAINEBLEAU BAFFOONS - HERO'S
Belair...
I forgot that the steel and concrete they use for building mega structure hotel casino themed properties is of a better grade material than if your just building high rise condos.. and the casino portion is even more upgraded..damn..I forgot all that.
ATTENTION REAMAX -- YOU ARE A VERY GOOD & LOYAL FRIEND TO THE FONTAINEBLEAU BAFFOONS & THEY SHOULD BE VERY GREAT FUL FOR YOUR - EMOTIONAL SUPPORT !!!
REGARDLESS OF WHAT I SAY THE REAL TRUTH WILL SURFACE OVER THE NEXT 12 MONTHS ABOUT THE INEPT & VERY UNPROFESSIONAL FONTAINEBLEAU CORPORATE EXECUTIVES & PRINCIPALS !!!
EVERY ONE WANTS TO MAKE ALOT OF MONEY - BUT THEY NEVER HAD A FAIR CHANCE FROM THE BEGINNING - BECAUSE OF THERE INEXPERIENCE IN THE MEGA STRUCTURE HOTEL CASINO ARENA !!!
YOU DO NOT SEND A BOY TO DO A MANS JOB !!!
MY GUESS IS ALL OF THE SEASONED & SUCCESSFUL HOTEL CASINO OWNERS WERE PROBABLY LAUGHING BEHIND - THE SO CALLED YOUNG CHAIRMANS BACK - WHO NEVER HAD ANY EXPERIENCE OR BUSINESS SUCCESS IN THE MEGA STRUCTURE HOTEL CASINO BUSINESS !!!
RELAMAX - IF YOU WON $100 MILLION DOLLARS IN A LOTTERY - WOULD YOU IN TRUST IT WITH YOUR YOUNG FRIEND TO FURTHER HIS EFFORTS WITH THE FONTAINE BLEAU IN VEGAS - OR FOR THAT MATTER - EVEN THE MIAMI BEACH FONTAINEBLEAU WHICH IS ALSO VERY FINANCIALLY CHALLENGED !!!
DUBAI WORLD DOES NOT EVEN WANT TO COME TO THE FONTAINEBLEAU BAFFOONS FINANCIAL RESCUE !!!!
TRY TO READ BETWEEN THE LINES - I DO NOT NO THEM & I CAN ONLY COMMENT OBJECTIVELY ABOUT THERE PUBLIC BUSINESS BEHAVIOUR !!!
& IT IS NOT THE BEHAVIOUR OF VERY SOPHISTICATED BUSINESS PROFESSIONALS IN THE HOTEL CASINO BUSINESS !!
DO NOT CONFUSE WHAT THEY INHERITED FROM OLD PRUDENT BUSINESS FAMILY MONEY !!!
THE GRAND FATHER WOULD BE VERY UP SET WITH THE KIDS FATHER & THE WAY THE FATHER HAS ALLOWED THE KID TO SWEEP ALL OF HIS FAILURES & INADAQUACIES
UNDER THE CARPET !!! - IF THE BOY IS ACADEMICALLY CHALLENGED - THE BEST MEDICINE WAS TO GIVE HIM PROFESSIONAL HELP WHEN HE WAS 10 YEARS OLD !! HIS FATHER & MOTHER ONLY MADE HIS PROBLEMS WORSE BY NOT ADMITTING THEY HAD A CHILD THAT WAS NOT MATURING PROPERLY !!!
NO PARENT WANTS TO FACE THAT REALITY - BUT LOOK AT THE MONSTER THEY CREATED !!!
THE BOY IS NOT TO BLAME - BLAME THE PARENTS !!!
Relaxmax the high rise condos you speak of Aventura, FL, Aventura Mall, Turnberry Isle Resorts & Club were developed by Don Soffer NOT Jeffery. Jeffery is a collage drop-out and said himself "school is not for me". Jeffery is not a quick learner and it does not look like he learned anything from his dad. Don Soffer was a successful developer, but unsuccessful is rasing Jeffery. Don rasied a spoiled brat in Jeffery.
Don should have took a page out of Trumps book.
You don't give a child everything he want, you make him work for it. Well the little spoiled brat is now an arrogant a**hole that think the world revoles around him, he is wrong and he is the laughing stock for all So. Florida elite.
ATTENTION MAX -- BELAIR RESPECTS YOUR HONESTY & INTEGRITY !!! YOU MADE YOUR CASE VERY WELL ABOUT A SPOILED - CLUE LESS - SHELTERED - 43 YEAR OLD BOY - THAT HAS A JUSTIFIABLE-INFERIORITY
COMPLEX !! -- I AM TOLD HE LOOKS LIKE HE IS SPACED OUT - WITH AN ARROGANT DUMB GRIN ON HIS -EMOTIONALLY DISTURBED FACE !!!
MAY BE HE IS TAKING SOME VERY STRONG PRESCRIPTION MEDICATION - TO HELP HIM GET THRU THE DAY !!!
WHAT BANK IN THERE RIGHT MIND NOW - WOULD GIVE
AN IRRESPONSIBLE - SELF APPOINTED - MENTALLY CHALLENGED - YOUNG BOY WITH THE TITLE OF CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD - HOW CRAZY IS THAT --
MORE MONEY TO MESSAGE HIS UNREALISTIC PSYCOPATHIC FALSE EGO !!!
HE IS OBVIOUSLY SUFFERING FROM A HUGE INFERIORITY COMPLEX !!! HE WANTS TO SHOW HIS FAMILY & FRIENDS THAT HE IS NOT THE LOSER THAT HE KNOWS HE IS !!!
HE CAN NOT FOLLOW IN HIS FATHERS FOOT STEPS - BECAUSE HE HAS NO REAL LEADERSHIP QUALITIES !!!
HE IS HOLLOW WITH NO SUBSTANCE & WITH REALLY NOTHING CREATIVE TO SAY !!!
HIS BIG CLAIM TO FAME WITH THE LAS VEGAS FONTAINEBLEAU WAS TO FEATURE THE STAIR WAY TO NOW WHERE - FROM THE ORIGINAL MIAMI BEACH FONTAINEBLEAU THAT OPENED IN DECEMBER OF 1954 !!!
HOW RETARDED IS THAT -- PEOPLE WOULD LAUGH AT THIS SO CALLED REDICULOUS SPECTACLE !!!
& IT WOULD REALLY BE NO WHERE - HE IS NO WHERE !
HE IS A SPECIAL CASE -- HOW SAD !!!
HIS FATHER IS ACADEMIC - ATHLETIC & BRAVE !!!
& HE WANTED HIS SON AT ANY COST TO FOLLOW IN HIS FOOT STEPS - UNFORTUNATELY NATURE PLAYED A BAD TRICK ON THE KID & LEFT HIM MENTALLY & EMOTIONALLY CHALLENGED !!!
HE IS DANGEROUS TO HIM SELF FINANCIALLY & MUST BE MONITORED VERY CLOSELY FOR HIS OWN FINANCIAL PROTECTION !!!
We should not hate to rich, we should learn from them. As a contractor I have worked for both, the rich man and the average Joe. And the secerts I have learn I will share with you so you can be rich too. When I work for the average Joe he pays me instantly, Big Mistake you will never get rich doing that. The Rich man always reguested an invoice to be sent to a State far away form the job and tells you that all invoices are paid from there, and they are paid 30 days or 90 day after they are received. Then they claim they never got the invoice, and blow you off for another 6 to 9 months. If you do dare to continue to waste their valuable time they turn it over to their lawyer, and wait you out. You can quickly build your wealth when you don't waste it on all these bills. It is true that you can only burn a contractor once or twice, but there are plenty more out you can use this same method on. See Ya at the Top.
Max and Belair, you seem to be very knowledgeable about Jeff Soffer and his issues. There's just enough meat on these spare ribs that you were either there working on the project or have a close friend who did and related these stories. Either way, your opinions are like the body part all people have .Necessary but smelly
ATTENTION VEGAS 222 - YOUR IGNORANT COMMENTS SHOW THE WORLD HOW LOW CLASS YOU ARE !!!
YOU SEEM TO BE OFFENDED ABOUT HONESTY & ACCURACY
- WITH REFERENCE TO VERY IMPORTANT FINANCIAL SUBJECT MATTER !!!
YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NOTHING TO CONTRIBUTE THAT IS INTELLIGENT ABOUT YOUR INEPT PROFESSIONAL FRIENDS !!!
TRYING TO DEFEND THEM LIKE AN ADOLESCENT- DOES NOT SURPRISE ME - BECAUSE YOU CAN NOT MAKE A CASE THAT IS TRUE & CORRECT ABOUT YOUR FRIENDS TO REALLY HELP THEM !!!
IF YOU WON $100 MILLION DOLLARS IN A LOTTERY - WOULD YOU INVEST YOUR MONEY & IN TRUST YOUR MONEY WITH THOSE INCOMPETANTS !!!
THE BANKS DO NOT TRUST THEM - BUT IT APPEARS YOU DO & YOUR SMOKE SCREEN UGLY DEFENSE ONLY SUPPORTS HOW GUILTY THEY REALLY ARE !!!
YOU ARE NOW BRINGING UNNECESSARY ATTENTION TO THERE VERY QUESTIONABLE BEHAVIOUR & I HOPE SOME VERY AGGRESSIVE PROSECUTING ATTORNEY - DOES NOT READ YOUR UGLY COMMENTS & DECIDES TO MAKE A NAME FOR HIMSELF & DRAG THEM THRU A LEGAL WITCH HUNT !!!
IF THAT HAPPENS THEY CAN THANK YOU FOR YOUR RUDE - CRUDE - STUPIDITY !!!!
I BELIEVE THEY ARE REALLY JUST INCOMPETANT GREEDY BAFFOONS - & THINK THEY NO HOW TO WORK THE SYSTEM -- BY TRYING TO SUE THE BANKS WITH NO REAL FOUNDATION IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF - HOW TO ALLIENATE YOUR SELF FOR LIFE FROM THE MOST SOPHISTICATED FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS IN THE WORLD !! - EVEN A CHILD COULD SEE THRU THERE AMATUER LEGAL POSTURING !! - HOW SAD & TOTALLY UNPROFESSIONAL IS THAT !!!
ARE YOU VEGAS 222 AS STUPID & UNPROFESSIONAL AS YOUR SCHEMING FRIENDS ??? -- I REALLY WONDER HOW MUCH MORALS & ETHICS YOU REALLY HAVE & HOW YOU HAVE PER HAPS DODGED THE BULLETS YOUR WHOLE LIFE & NEVER GOT CAUGHT - OR PER HAPS YOU CAN NOT MAKE A LIVING ON YOUR OWN & NEED TO BE SUPPORTED BY MOMMY & DADDY - MR. BIG UGLY GUILTY OF SOME THING - MOUTH !!! YOU TALK THE TALK BUT YOU CAN'T
WALK THE WALK - YOUR TO WEAK & MENTALLY UNSOPHISTICATED - YOUR REMARKS SPEAK VOLUMES OF WHO YOU ARE & WHO YOU ARE TRYING TO REPRESENT !!!
YOU NEED TO GO TO IRAQ & FIGHT WITH THE BRAVE SOLDIERS - YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN IN THE MILITARY - BECAUSE YOU ARE VERY DISRESPECTFUL & OBNOXIOUS
ATTENTION VEGAS 222 ---
YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY A SCHILL FOR YOUR INEPT LOSER FRIENDS -- I CHECKED THE OTHER SITES & YOUR VEGAS 222 USER NAME DOES NOT APPEAR !!!
ITS KNOW CONFIRMED YOU ARE A LOSER AS A PERSON & A BUSINESS MAN !!!
YOU CAN RUN BUT YOU CAN NOT HIDE IN LIFE - PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY FOUND YOU OUT BY THE MERE DEDUCTION - THAT YOU DO NOT ACTIVELY COMMENT ON THE OTHER SITES WITH INTERESTING SUBJECT MATTER!!
YOU ARE JUST A PATHETIC PERSON - DISGUISING YOUR SELF AS A HUMAN BEING - YOU ARE REALLY JUST A PARRASITE !!!!
YOU HAVE ALREADY DONE YOUR PATHETIC FRIEND MORE HARM THEN GOOD !!!
I AM NOT THE JUDGE & JURY OF YOU & YOUR DESPERATE FRIENDS !!!
IF THEY BILL THEM SELVES AS BILLIONAIRES - THEN WHY CAN'T THEY AS A FAMILY COME UP WITH THE --
850 MILLION DOLLARS THEY WERE TRYING TO GET FROM THE BANKS TO COMPLETE THER LOSER PROJECT !!
I'M SURE THE LOSER'S MOTHER - FATHER - SISTERS -
UNCLES -AUNTS & ECT ECT ECT - CAN EACH CONTRIBUTE
100 MILLION DOLLARS EACH FROM THERE INHERITANCE TO COMPLETE THE LAS VEGAS FONTAINEBLEAU !!!
DON'T YOU AGREE MR PHONY LAS VEGAS 222 !!!
YOU ASSUME ALOT - BELAIR ONLY KNOWS ABOUT YOUR FRIENDS FROM THE SITE & THE MEDIA CIRCUS ABOUT YOUR - CLOWN FRIENDS !!!!
THE NEXT TIME YOU OPEN YOUR FRESH DISRESPECTFUL MOUTH ABOUT ANY ONE - YOU BETTER BE PREPAIRED TO ANSWER & BACK UP YOUR IGNORANT & LOW CLASS UGLY STATEMENTS !!!
I PERSONALLY DO NOT KNOW YOUR FRIEND & I AM SURE HE REALLY WANTED TO MAKE THE FONTAINEBLEAU PROJECTS IN BOTH LAS VEGAS & MIAMI BEACH SUCCESSFUL !!! - IT IS NOT HIS FAULT --
YOU DO NOT SEND A BOY TO DO A MANS JOB !!!!
HE NEVER HAD A FAIR CHANCE FROM THE BEGINNING WITH THAT LOSER CHEAP LOCATION &THE LOSER CHEAP SMALL HOTEL ROOMS - THAT HE WAS TRYING TO AMATEURISTICALLY - PEDDLE TO THE UP SCALE MARKET!
LAS VEGAS IS THE BIG LEAUGES & THERE IS NO ROOM FOR JUNIOR ACHIEVMENT AMATEURS !!!
MY GUESS IS THAT EVERY SUCCESSFUL HOTEL CASINO OPERATOR ON THE STRIP MUST HAVE BEEN LAUGHING - BEHIND HIS BACK OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS - HOW SAD & HUMILIATING IS THAT !!!
VEGAS 222 IF YOU NEW THAT AS A FACT - WOULD YOU WANT TO TELL THEM OFF ALSO - YOU CHILDISH FOOL !!
I have personally met him and worked on his Miami project. Everything Belair said is TRUE. Unlike Belair I will act as Judge and Jury and I find him GUILTY !!! Guilty for stealing my time and material and countless other working men's time and material. Because of men like me he was able to finish the Miami project, how does he reward us ??? He throws our invoices in the Trash. I would like to see vegas222 work on a project for months invest his money for materials, his sweat and BLOOD and produce a product under impossible deadlines, but meet them anyway. Then NOT GET PAID !!! And watch Jerrery throw himself a $4,000,000 birthday party. Then vegas222 - TELL ME HOW YOU FEEL,
Until then KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT !!!!!!
ATTENTION VEGAS 222
A FRIEND CALLED ME TODAY & SAID HE READ THAT SIX TITLE COMPANIES SUSPECT YOUR BAFFOON FRIENDS ARE BEING INVESTIGATED FOR FRAUD - TOTALLING
600 MILLION DOLLARS - RELATED TO THE FONTAINEBLEAU LAS VEGAS CASE !!!
CAN YOU RESPOND & TELL THE WORLD IF THOSE ALLEGATIONS ARE TRUE & CORRECT !!!
I HOPE YOU ARE NOT INVOLVED AS A CO CONSPIRATOR
BY BEING ENRICHED BY THE ALLEGED FRAUD !!!
IF SO YOU WILL BE GIVEN ENOUGH TIME IN A PER HAPS FEDERAL PRISON - LIKE BERNIE MADOFF TO REFLECT ON YOUR - MANIACLE GREED & STUPIDITY !!!
YOUR OVERT DEFENDING OF YOUR INCOMPETANT FRIENDS - WOULD NATURALLY LEAD OVER ZEALOUS PROSECUTORS TO YOUR FRONT DOOR !!!
HOW SAD !!! -- I DO WISH YOU & YOUR BAFFOON FRIENDS WELL - REMEMBER THE LAW STATES - YOU ARE PRESUMED INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY !!!
& I WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE THEY ARE INNOCENT & ARE JUST GUILTY OF BEING GREEDY UNPROFESSIONAL BAFFOONS !!!
I do have to say "I have the up most respect for DON SOFFER" when he was in charge, he was OLD SCHOOL. HIS Word was better that GOLD !!! EVERYBODY GOT PAID !!! Now in jeffery's world , he hands you a contract 3" thick, you sign it and live up to EVERY PAGE. and then EVERYBODY GETS SCREWED !!! I LOVE OLD SCHOOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!
sorry for all the CAPS, I must have been reading BELAIR'S stuff to MUCH, but I finally found someone on the west side, that knows the REAL jeffery. SORRY WE DID NOT WARN YOU !!!! He was trying to get us to go. But he was tapped out before he left Miami.
Hey,guys. I'm an englishman very interested in this issue and learning a lot from your comments.
This guy Jeff Soffer sounds like the worst scum exploiting working men and, indirectly, their families. Have I got that correct, or is that unfair?