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The Strip’s largest casino operator last week reported an uptick in room bookings and fewer convention cancellations. MGM Mirage executives said demand for the company’s hotel rooms is high enough to warrant an increase in room rates, which have plummeted during the downturn.
Raising rates in the coming weeks will help profit margins and could lead to a minor business rebound in 2010, they said.
Whether that strategy works will depend on the reaction of recession-battered tourists such as Judy Del Vecchio, 51, an advertising employee who paid $631 for a five-night stay with her husband in a suite at the Monte Carlo last week.
“This recession has scared people — they have a whole different way of thinking,” Del Vecchio said during a break between fountain shows in front of the Bellagio. “They’ll come if they know they’re getting a bargain.
“If they keep rooms low, people will come out here and get lost in all this and spend money they never thought they’d spend.”
Like most Las Vegas tourists, Del Vecchio is loyal visitor — to a point.
When the economy was flush, it wasn’t unusual for luxury hotels in Las Vegas to charge $500 for a room during the workweek. That was too much for Del Vecchio, who lives a short drive from the nation’s largest casinos, Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun, in Connecticut.
As room rates rose, many regulars accustomed to paying less ditched Vegas for cheaper alternatives such as cruises and all-inclusive resorts in Mexico and the Caribbean. Some have returned, lured by low rates and more marketing by hotels trying to fill the weekday void left by conventiongoers, whose business event budgets have dwindled.
The strategy has worked well for companies, including MGM Mirage, which owns most of the Strip’s major casinos.
“The weekends are consistently solid now,” MGM Mirage CEO Jim Murren said during a conference call last week to discuss first-quarter earnings. “Even when we don’t have a major event we are able to occupy rooms at a solid level.”
In January, MGM Mirage’s hotels had an occupancy rate in the high 70s — a respectable number for many major cities but poor for Las Vegas, where hotels have historically operated at higher than 90 percent occupancy. That figure has risen each month this year, reaching 95 percent in March and 97 percent in April, in line with a year ago, before business worsened.
Room rates are still depressed, according to official figures from earnings reports and tourism officials. MGM Mirage’s revenue per available room — an industry measure that accounts for rooms undergoing remodeling or otherwise out of service — was $102, or 34 percent lower in the first quarter than the year-earlier period. That number was down 30 percent in April from a year earlier.
Phil Ruffin, who bought Treasure Island from MGM Mirage in March, also will be raising room rates — though for somewhat different reasons.
Echoing recent comments by MGM Mirage, Ruffin said business picked up in April. On one weekday in late April, Treasure Island posted a 99 percent occupancy rate at an average rate of less than $130, for example.
Ruffin said he will not be lowering rates to achieve as close to 100 percent capacity as possible.
“I’m not going to give rooms away. That’s a heads-in-beds philosophy,” Ruffin said. “I don’t want the $50 customer.”
You can still make money — more money, in fact — by running at 70 to 90 percent occupancy and charging more for rooms, he said.
Getting customers inside the hotel is not a problem, Ruffin said, because the property’s Strip-facing pirate show gathers thousands of passers-by, with as many as 40 percent of those people gravitating inside.
“It’s free – and people like free,” he said.
Summer is typically slow for Las Vegas because of the searing heat — a time when convention traffic slows down and tourists snap up rooms at lower rates. Despite that, MGM Mirage is hopeful it will be able to raise rates through this period.
“Forward-looking business continues to improve, even as we look out to July and August,” MGM Mirage Chief Financial Officer Dan D’Arrigo said. “Thus far we’re able to firm up rates going forward as opposed to going the opposite way.”
But now that tourists have tasted vintage hotel prices in Las Vegas, their resistance to inflated rates has likely been strengthened.
Cassidy Miller, 27, of Bloomington, Ill., stayed with a friend at Caesars Palace for five days last week for $413, including airfare, and has already booked her next trip: a $580, five-night stay at the Bellagio, including air.
Miller, who typically visits Las Vegas once a year, isn’t stuck on the destination. “Paying $700 for the same trip would start turning me off — I can do Mexico for that amount. But these prices are ridiculous. You can’t afford not to go.”
Ginny Tarantino, 64, a concierge at a California retirement community, usually travels to Las Vegas during summer weekends for the lower rates. She jumped at the chance to stay at the Excalibur with a friend for $40 per night last week.
“Based on that rate I’d like to come back more often on weekends, or during the week if I get more time off from work,” Tarantino said.
Mark Capone, 57, a sales executive for a building materials company in New York City, said paying $1,000 for a four-night stay for two at the Mirage, plus airfare, was a better deal than Aruba, where the couple has vacationed in the past. At these prices, Capone says he and his wife would probably trade Aruba for Vegas more often, twice a year rather than once a year or once every two years.
Some visitors say they would be OK with paying an additional $10 or even $50 for a room, especially now that rates are so much lower than other major cities.
But the days of $500 rooms are over for people who know where to look, according to Judy Del Vecchio’s husband, Mark. “You’ll never see it — there’s too much competition now,” he said.
Some also are resisting high prices for meals, shows and alcoholic drinks — among the Las Vegas staples whose prices haven’t changed much in the recession.
Capone thinks Las Vegas would be better off cutting prices on the extras as well.
“I think the hotels should look at making some of the amenities less expensive, like the spa and drinks,” he said. “In the end, someone’s going to go back home and say, ‘I only went out with $1,000 and I spent $4,000.’ ”
Which is, if people like Capone continue to return to Vegas, an ideal scenario for Strip hotels.






do you guys ever interview regular people for these articles? hey mr. ruffian, you can stick your treasure up your butt after that comment-i don't want the $50 a nite person. my wife and i played 4 hours at slots [.25 cent machines] at turning stone {upstate ny} yesterday. we had enough points from that play to get $40 worth of food at a great mothers day buffet. when i visit stations for a week, we're lucky to get $40 in cash back.
So instead of easing back into things, they get a little confidence, and think they can start raising prices. If room rates are low that's more money spent at the tables. I guess now that they have City Center funded, they have to pay for it somehow.
"I'm not going to give rooms away. That's a heads-in-beds philosophy," Ruffin said. "I don't want the $50 customer."
Oh, boy, I will make sure that comment goes viral around the internet. Remember this arrogant attitude the next time the LVCVA and the Strip properties try to lure locals with "staycations," as they did a few months back.
They tried to pitch it as locals' "civic duty" to help the casino industry through a rough patch. And now we see the duplicity, condescension and comtempt for the "$50 customer."
Good luck with that TI purchase, Ruffin. You're going to need it. See you in bankruptcy court, along with the rest of the Strip casino owners.
This idiotic permutation of basic economics is what got these folks into this situation in the first place. Elect to spend your money elsewhere. It's the right thing to do.
I enjoy coming to Las Vegas when I get a good deal on my hotel. My past few trips have included free nights at the Mirage and Treasure Island. And a few hundred in freeplay usually thrown in. That helps cancel out my airfare.
That being said, I know things are tough out there and there is no way I am going to spend 100+ per night for a room on the strip. They make plenty off me on food, beverage, and gaming. I tip everyone well, and don't mind paying for premium beverages, overpriced casino cigars, etc.
And with at least 10,000 rooms coming on line soon, I think very good deals on rooms are here to stay for at least the next few years. Hefty price increases now will definitely hurt visitor #s until this recession is over.
Best deal I ever got in Vegas? Years ago got airfare, four nights at the Rio, and three Rio buffets a day included for about $300 total. Gained 10 pounds, won money, and left happy with the experience. Vegas can still be a money making machine with a little imagination.
Did you say you don't want the $50.00 a night person here? Lmao,has it ever occured to you that these folks probably enjoy spending more money on gambling,food, and intertainment than resting there heads on a bed? But wait! I get it now. Lets let the 50.00 a night person stay at motel 6,and hope they stop in your casino and play,eat.At least for me,when i come out to vegas,most of my money is spent at the casino i stay at.But thats ok,you guys keep up with that mindset.But just remember, i hope what he said does get out to all the folks who enjoys vegas.Thats a fine way to attract folks to come out and enjoy.Ya just might be living on that Pirate ship with that concept.Don't forget your life vest.
Pay no attention to that recession dude.
TI ha never again and I will do tell all my gaming friends never go to TI....... Thes guys dont get it a little up turn and they are ready to hit the gas on rate hikes...You know I love vegas But I will stay home the indains are do better at giving deals and the and certain casinos have high payback .....screw guys like the new onwer of TI have fun with that sinking pirate ship
I miss the days when they operated casinos with hotels, restaurants and clubs. Now they operate luxury resorts with casinos. Sigh.
Wait till city center opens.
A room at the Bellagio will be 9.95 a night with a $100.00 gaming toke.
"I'm not going to give rooms away. That's a heads-in-beds philosophy," Ruffin said. "I don't want the $50 customer."
What arrogance. Anyone want to wager how long that statement takes to come back and bite Ruffin in his butt? Speaking of butts, your proctologist called Mr. Ruffin. They found your head!
Mr Ruffin after your comments I WILL NOT be booking with you ever.
Why?
Can I afford more than $50 and night but your attitude, as well as Wynn, and Anderson that the only tourists you want are high rollers has killed LV IMO.
You can't go to a lounge or bar without playing $$ for a drink, and most of the restaurants cost $$$ for a dinner that is only worth 1/2 that. All because of the High Roller attitude that the above are pushing.
The down turn was not enough to change this attitude fully, but I hope that City Center & F-Blue flood the market and does.
I would be interested to see how much of this room re-bound is because of the current room price. I think many people are coming to LV right now because it is the only place they can afford right now. If they jack up hte rates again I think it will kill this small re-bound.
Las Vegas rooms are still the best value in North America. NYC, San Francisco, $250 per night. Miami, Chicago, $200 per night. Even here in Oklahoma City, or Indianapolis is $150. The Casino owners aren't idiots, they're not going to raise the rate 50% overnight, although they went down that fast. They'll do what a capitalist society is based upon, they'll charge what the market will pay. Complain all you want, but you'll still come back. The Indian Casinos may be OK, but I don't want stay at the Microtel at the WinStar in Thackerville, Oklahoma and say I'm having just as much fun as Las Vegas.
Public spending was essential to creating jobs in the Great Depression. Look at these hundreds of billions now pouring in to everything. This economy will be turning around within months IMO -- found a cool site; Balkingpoints ; incredible satellite view of earth
This will be a very interesting couple of years for Las Vegas.
Greedy.. greedy...greedy, that's what has got us into this mess in the first place..
"I'm not going to give rooms away. That's a heads-in-beds philosophy," Ruffin said. "I don't want the $50 customer."
You can still make money -- more money, in fact -- by running at 70 to 90 percent occupancy and charging more for rooms, he said.
Getting customers inside the hotel is not a problem, Ruffin said, because the property's Strip-facing pirate show gathers thousands of passers-by, with as many as 40 percent of those people gravitating inside.
"It's free -- and people like free," he said."
OxyMORON... you're aware that people like free... but unaware that people don't want to be fleeced? I wouldn't set foot in TI, nor MGM Mirage's hotels for that matter, if they were the only casinos on earth. You idiots discust me! I don't suppose you recall the days when the hotels brought in junkets and made money hand over fist.... Ummm actually Ruffin, you sound like the poster child for the "$50 customer". A regular tighta$$..
I always liked TI....I just canceled my reservations.Sure my money will be good elsewhere.
How rude of me....I forgot to thank Mr. Ruffin.
I just got back from staying at Caesar's Palace where they gave me a great room rate. However, I was quite disappointed because most of the time including the last morning (one table open) their minimum at the craps tables was $25! We had to go elsewhere to gamble. Caesar's tables were rarely crowded but the action was very busy at the properties across the street where minimums were $5 or $10. Not a good way to keep their customers on the property....
The 1st whiff of any business over the weekend and these greedy casino exec's are back to their old tricks. You would think the recession humbled these guys, but no!! It's called DISCONNECT!I usually fly in for the Sunday through Thursday rates. I have recently stayed at Rio for $49, but spend 5X a day in casino/drink/food for all three days. It was a fair rate and i had a good time. Phil Ruffin, I am so insulted and I will never ever spent a red cent in your casino.
Downtown is where everyone is sleeping/gambling/eating these days. Downtown folks know how to treat/retain their customers.
All of these Blog's seem to knock "Cheap Rooms".
If it were not for the "Cheap Rooms" we would not drive (300) miles to spend a week in Vegas.
These rates have increased our "Discressionary Spending" once I arrive.
So it is your call. "Cheap Rooms" or owning a luxurious cemetery.
We have been to the "Palazzo" three times this year already.
Ace's
Rising room rates will not help finish CITY CENTER.
Maybe the 'demand' for rooms was BECAUSE of the lower room rates - and maybe by raising the rates again so quickly the so-called 'demand' will once again drop way down..........typical GREEDY LAS VEGAS and GREEDY CORPORATE AMERICA. The minute they think they can squeeze another nickle from their customer they don't hesitate to do so.........
"I'm not going to give rooms away. That's a heads-in-beds philosophy," Ruffin said. "I don't want the $50 customer."
How quickly the Strip has forgotten the little guy. Wasn't it just last month, they were begging for our business? Well, we need to remember that statement by Mr Ruffles (sic) when those 12000 rooms come online, at the end of the year. Mr Ruffles, you know how to piss off your customers and that ain't too smart in any economy, let alone a recession.
You're right, Kenodave, they were begging for our business. Ruffin's comments have been picked up around the internet and he will come to curse the day he said such a thing for attribution.
I'm sure Wynn and the rest of the Strip operators aren't too thrilled, either. With a few exceptions, only at the pleasure of their bondholders are the Strip casinos not yet in bankruptcy. Their day will come soon, though.
Google newsgroup is having a ball with this story, too. Ruffin, you screwed up big-time!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.vacat...
Was in vegas the end of april and stay at TI for 39.00 a night I did leave $$$$ in Mr. Ruffin casino
Fortunately there is a LOT of competition on the strip, so if TI doesnt want the $50 customer, there are lots of other casinos who do. Vegas used to be a real bargain, and needs to be again. People just dont have the money these days to blow $300 a night like they did in boom times.
By the way, TI is not all that. There are a lot more interesting places to stay when in Vegas. I wouldn't give you much for the buffet there, for example. Its ok, but nothing compared to Mirage CRAVINGS , Planet Hollywood, or the new M casino.
Too bad the powers that be here have outlawed bed and breakfasts to protect the casinos. That would drag down room rates a bit, I suspect.
With the big prices for food, shows, and other amenities like in-room wireless internet, the famous room tax, etc., the hotels here had just gotten fat and happy, and inefficient.
Time to fix all that and keep the room rates down to get the tourists back.
You guys don't understand pure economics do you? If you own a store you have to purchase products to sell, right? Now, when you go to price these items you have to cover the expense of the products purchased and the overhead costs and you probably want some money for yourself to eat and support your family right? Now, you are not selling enough product with the amount of people coming through the store so you lower the prices. WOW, now more people are coming in to your store and buying your products so you have to hire more help to handle all the business. AT the end of the day you find out you actually made less money even though you sold more because now your expenses went up to handle the extra people. I work as a Table Games Supervisor on the strip and I get this asked of me all the time, "Can you make the table $5"? We could pack our Casino every night if we lowered our minimums but then we would have to hire more help and the $5 player will not support the extra help and expenses involved. You can't support a Billion dollar casino with $5 players and $50 a night vagabonds. Add up the linen service and guest room attendant salaries per room and it probably evens out. Is it not OK for a Casino operator to make a profit?
Also, in regards to comps. I can't stand it when people who win money think they deserve a comp because they just won $1,000!!! Comped rooms and food should be for people who lose money, not win!!! Its kind of like, you coming to my house and taking a $1,000 from me and I'm suppose to take you out to dinner and pay for it!! Gimme a break people, STOP BEGGING!!!
Denver21, we see where your bread is buttered. You livelihood depends on not seeing the truth. Continue your diatribe.
hey denver, i have a hard time getting a free pack of smokes from pit boss let alone a buffet. seems you guys turn your hearing aids off when time is right. only time your interested inregular players is when we put players card down to start playing. you new breed of semi execs just don't get it. you need a visit to some jail to learn some smarts from an 80 year old mobster who use to run things, like to know the casino you work for so the rest of us can exercise our rights not to visit there along with the ti.
Denver21 - Las Vegas was built on taking care of the customer, not squeezing every cent out of them. The theory goes like this - the more you give, the more you get back in return. A concept obviously lost on you. Comps used to be handed out liberally - whether you won/lost and even to the $5 table players. Imagine that! The casinos didn't look at it like we are giving a $20 buffet to a $5 player...it didn't used to matter. Give and you shall receive.
I can tell by your 'begging' comment that you are EXACTLY the type of dealer I try to avoid when I head down to the strip. Yeah people can be annoying with their comp requests...but here's a suggestion, if tourists asking for comps annoy you that much, find another line of work pal.
I understand everybodies argument over comps, I really do. I really wish the days of the Pit Bosses giving comps to players would return because I do see players who deserve comps not getting them because they did not earn enough points. For example, a player walks up to a table and buys in for $1,000. He loses it in 2 hands. He asks for a dinner comp at which time I ask him for his player card. He says he does not have one so I have him sign up for one and enter his play in the system. I look at his comp dollars earned for the $1,000 play and it shows $8.00. I tell the player and he can't understand why I can't comp him a dinner and I explain to him he doesn't have enough points. At this point, I should be able to pull out my comp slip and write one out for him to make this guy happy but the corporations have taken this away from us, and believe me, I don't know one Pit Boss in this town that doen't have the same argument that we should be given the power back to comp people we see who deserve it. The guy playing 10 or 15 dollars a hand and playing 6 hours with a total buy in of $200 will earn more points than this guy that just lost $1,000 on 2 hands and that is crazy to not be able to offer this guy something. All the Pit Bosses I know as well as me are more than willing to comp people who deserve to be comped but it is out of our control because of the player cards and the formulas used to determine comp dollars based upon play.
To those of you who visit the Resorts, they have comment cards and some places will send you a guest survey in the mail for you to fill out about your experience during your stay. If you would please state your opinions about comps and how you are dissasitsfied with the way they are regulated this would really help. They really do read these and if there is enough support for a change they will do it. I as well as other Pit Bosses would like the opportunity to do my job instead of all the red tape involved in trying to give something away.
I would also like to add that Pit Bosses do not receive any bonuses or extra pay from people losing money like most of you think. We are there to make sure the dealers are following the procedures and not stealing. I personally hope that everybody in my section wins money because it makes for a fun enviroment to work in.
"Some visitors say they would be OK with paying an additional $10 or even $50 for a room, especially now that rates are so much lower than other major cities".
LOL
As opposed to what, not being OK with paying $10 or even $50 LESS for a room?
Shills and Phil "people like free but I don't want the $50 customer" Ruffin crack me up.
LOL
I recall having the most fun in a $6.00 room at No-Tell-Six -- those were the days!
When one looks back, it's all about how they've spent their TIME not their money.
Ruffin looks like he doesn't mind $50 suits and $50 hairpieces, and he sure didn't mind $50 customers when he ran that dump next door.
Still, he looks like a genius compared to the army of corporate MBAs running MGM-Mirage and Harrah's into the ground, so I'll cut him a little slack with his poorly worded comment.
How much time does your average tourist spend in "the room" anyhow? Most are here to gamble, drink, party, go to shows, sightsee, shop, ect.. Many just go up to their room for a few hours here and there to grab a few winks and shower.
So, basically any old room will do as long as it's clean and close to the fun..
People like Ruffin will lose business with that attitute....
Remember "old" Las Vegas... they didn't need all the fancy junk, no point cards for comps, silly stuff like that. They had more employees too. Change girls, keno runners... things were more personal and gaming was a whole lot looser. The casinos still managed to make money galore.
When this "new" generation of entrepreneurs hit the Vegas scene, they took away what was really good here...
And I'm tired of dealers who think we should tip them for dealing us the cards - isn't that what they get PAID to do - deal cards? I go to work, I collect a paycheck and NO ONE tips me for simply doing the job I'm PAID to do. All this tipping in this town has gone beyond crazy.
Re:azsk8fan
"And I'm tired of dealers who think we should tip them for dealing us the cards - isn't that what they get PAID to do"
The dealers, cocktail waitresses, food servers and basically anyone that is not management, pretty much gets paid minimum wage. Kinda like what the people that work at Burger King earn on there paychecks... Tips are what a casino worker lives off of.
The reason they live off the tips and is their main source of income, is because they are taxed on their tips, which comes out of that minumum wage paycheck. Sometimes this leaves them only a few dollars left from their wages.. Hope this helps to shed some light..
"I don't want the $50 customer" is pretty stupid. How many people come in there & spend more than intended. Well, it's not going to be me, not at Treasure Island with its 6:5 "blackjack" ripoff and overcrowded and smoky casino.
Frankly, I'm going to stay wherever it's reasonable and reasonably nice and play where the rules and minimums are favorable to the player.
And don't even get me started with that stoopid "pirate show". You couldn't pay to have me watch that again.