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Tuesday, June 30, 2009 | 2 a.m.
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The headline on the gun shop poster might say so, but the fine print is more complicated.
So before you dash out and fill the hills with lead, there are a few things to be aware of.
First, shooting is prohibited in the Las Vegas Valley. (After you finish laughing, please read on.) Beyond the valley’s borders, federal caregivers have some general restrictions:
• No shooting within 1,000 feet of homes and roads, or over any roadway;
• Glass targets are prohibited;
• Always use a safe backdrop and carry out litter, including shell casings.
Each federal agency has more specific restrictions.
In areas controlled by the Bureau of Land Management, shooting is allowed except at Apex, the Nellis Dunes, Red Rock Canyon National Conservation Area, Sloan Canyon National Conservation Area and Sunrise Mountain.
On land controlled by the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service — most notably the 1.6 million-acre Desert National Wildlife Refuge north of Las Vegas — shooting is prohibited unless you’re hunting with the appropriate paperwork.
The Forest Service allows shooting on the 316,000 acres it controls in the Spring Mountains National Recreation Area, provided gunslingers abide by local and state laws. (A favorite spot is near the Lovell Group Campsite on Lovell Canyon Road, off State Route 160, officials said.)
Judy Suing, a spokeswoman for the Forest Service, said the agency does ask people using firearms to avoid heavily vegetated areas because of the potential for fires.
Never in Illinois. But out where there is BLM land galore, this is a pretty neat perk.
Government may call it "allowed" or "permitted" or "compliance." The actual terminology is this "chills" (common dictionary definition is "to depress; discourage; deter") our exercise of liberties protected by the Second Amendment on the land we collectively own.
Proves how far off its leash government has strayed.
People who bring trash to shoot at - old TVs, and assorted junk ruin the image of gun owners. I wish some of the stimulus money would go to clean up desert shooting areas. Youth groups and others should get involved.
Good point, KillerB.
How does the federal government "own" all that land in the first place?
I'm a member of Nevada Shooters and we went out to lovell canyon 2 weeks ago for a shooting get together and at the end of the shoot spent about an hour cleaning up the area and hauling off about 2 truck loads of trash to help keep this area clean.
"How does the federal government "own" all that land in the first place?"
They've owned it since the Mexican Cession of 1848. Who do you think the Mexicans ceded it to? The U.S. Government, of course. What isn't U.S. Government land anymore is that way because they either sold it off or gave it away. Of course, 86% of Nevada still belongs to the U.S. Government.
If this is government (controlled) land then it would belong to all citizens of either the U.S. for federal or citizens of Nevada for state.
Since we elect representatives at both the state and federal level to act for us then our elected officials and anyone they appoint would be acting as though they were us.
If they acting for us deem to restrict activity on this land how is this any different than you or me saying that firearm use is not allowed on our personal property?
I guess its OK to shoot in NLV, happens every night.
This is now the "most read" article. Does that mean there will be some people hitting the desert this weekend with their Bushmaster and Barrett rifles?
mred is right. These people who think used targets and spent shell casings can be left in the desert are the reason more and more communities have limited shooting to approved ranges. I can't imagine it will be long before we're faced with the same restrictions here in Nevada, given that a disturbing number of shooters seem to find it difficult or unnecessary to clean up after themselves. Owning a gun may be a right, but firing it is a whole other story. People who trash these desert shooting ranges give other gun enthusiasts a bad name, and they make all gun owners look like irresponsible hillbillies.
Hey uddeboda >>>>> The next time Europe falls on its a#s and your unarmed society can't help itself don't call us anymore fix it yourself. Also in about 15 to 20 years from now enjoy your muslim majority.
NLV for the 4th!!! Bring your AK-47, coo coo coo boogity boogity boogity, let's go huntin boys!!!
uddeboda
as u obviously despise and disrespect our american way of life and "weird american culture", why don't u just go back where u came from???
Watch out for the guys with the Barrett 50's. But if they can afford to feed those they could probably buy the area.
uddeboda,
now now, don't get any more uppity and condescending and i won't get snotty.
this is not the first time you have attacked the american way of life. i highly doubt if i were to go live in whatever european country u came from, that i would be very welcome or popular if i spent my time talking about how much better my country is than this one, etc.
you are a guest. please try to at least act gracious.
Hey; just an average joe >>>>> I think that ( uddeboda) once said that he now lives in Sweden i guess that he could not handle it here. To many self-sufficient people here for his taste i guess. SOME PEOPLE JUST LOVE SOCIALISM >>>>> YUK
Well hopefully he or she or whatever does live in Sweden now. I think it's a horrible thing when people come to this country and the bash it up and down. Why be here if it sucks so bad? Clearly your country wasn't a whole lot better if you decided to come here, right? If you want to come to this country and be a contributing citizen then great but if you want to sit around and complain about how horrible the US is, feel free to pack your crap and get out. We don't need any competition for the benefits that we so graciously share with you!
future RN
I agree with u wholeheartedly. that's one of the fun things about posting on these articles. we can completely disagree on one or many topics, and than on just as many find compete agreement. we are all complex individuals aren't we....
Joe, are you being nice for the all the mean previous posts! haha! j/k. At least we can somewhat agree to disagree although I still do hope at some point you will understand some points that I try to make to you!
future RN,
it's all good! it's never been about not understanding, just disagreements of opinion. we are all a product of our own diverse, varied, and unique experiences.
and POWERPLAY,
man I couldn't agree with u more. it totally blows my mind how some people want their government to do everything for them including wiping their noses and tucking them in at night.
SO GLAD YOU COULD CLEAR THAT UP FOR US! NOW WE CAN GO ON WITH OUR LIVES!! LMAO!
Man, I feel better now that I was able to scream that out of my system. Do you feel better uddeboda? I hope so! :o) For not living in the USA and not caring to live here, you sure have a great interest in reading about our happenings. Or are you just that much of a loser that you have nothing else better to do with your time? So sad! BTW, I think it's my country that's free, probably not as much yours!
You are igorant! But that's okay, us stupid Americans need humor and let's face it, you provide that with your ignorant comments, and all free of charge! The world isn't flat? I feel so misled. You Europeans are so lucky to have been taught the correct information, to be taught that the world is in fact round. I for one would take no interest in another state let alone another countrys newspapers website, especially if I despised the people who occupied that land. I simply don't have time to worry that much about other people. Clearly you are bored and lonely.
BTW, thanks for the info on guns. Being a gun owner, I had no idea about any of that. However did I make it all these years without your solid information?
The headline on this story is wrong: There is only ONE desert around Las Vegas (as it relates to this story) -- it's called the Mojave Desert.
uddeboda
so we think the earth is flat? i guess we used that information when WE PUT A MAN ON THE MOON!
what has your little piss ant country done? besides capitulating to the germans in 2 world wars i mean......
and yes it's a free country, and we LOVE IT!!
and so we will continue to put insignificant little people like u in your place when u speak out of turn, about things that u know nothing of.
like it or lump it.
I'll like it, AND lump it.
that is what us Americans do.
that is why we have built the most powerful, productive country in the history of the world, with the highest standard of living of any industrialized nation.
AMEN!
All I can say is thank God that the NSA will be helping out on cybercrime. Because it certainly is a crime that 'uddeboda' is allowed to post here and stir up trouble. By the way doesn't 'uddeboda' mean terrorist in Swedish? Once the NSA gets a peek at your IP, let us see how far you get if you decide to leave Stockholm and come to the U.S.A. They're gonna turn you around and boot your butt back to Sweden.
And don't think that we don't know that Sweden is behind the big push at the UN to outlaw personal firearms. Neutral my keister. God bless the National Rifle Association, if it wasn't for them we'd be throwing rocks in Afagn and Iraq.
You have to love this place; Ron White was very much correct.
Sweden has a long history of being Neutral doesn't it, but it seems it wants to profit from its neutrality, look at its behaviour in the second world war
Allowing the Wehrmacht to use Swedish railways to transport the 163rd Infantry Division "Division Engelbrecht", along with war material freight, i.e., howitzers, tanks and anti-aircraft weapons and associated ammunition, from Norway to Finland
Transiting soldiers on leave between Norway and Germany - The so called permitenttrafik.
Training "Police Forces" for use in Denmark and Norway, after the Nazi defeat.
Producing and exporting weapons to both the Axis and the Allied powers notably the Bofors Company selling Naval guns to both sides.
Throughout the war, the Swedish policy favored the side currently having the upper hand, but were always opposing Soviet interests.
I am a European that comes to the States about 4 times a year and I really like it there the people are so freindly and Nice, I have Travelled extensively through the world and it still is one of the places that I would consider moving to.
C
Uddeboda
In January 1946, Sweden handed over 146 Baltic and 2,364 German soldiers who had been interned in Swedish prison camps to the Soviet Union. At least seven of the internees committed suicide during the process, the rest undoubtably were killed by the Soviets pretty nice for the Swede's to do eh ?.
I am wondering why you seem to spend so much time on this site, why do you not spend more time on Swedish sites correcting them ?, I would have thought there was plenty for you to do venting your frustration at the rise of the Neo_nazi factions within Sweden.
Or The fact that the Swedish Government and establishment feel that to have a strong national identity is wrong, cases of school principles banning pupils from wearing football tops for school photographs in case anybody is offended by the national flag.
I am not agreeing with the US stance on Islonationism during the last war, at least they did join in, the swedish prime minister could not care about any other nation apart from his own the world would be a very different place if the restof the european countries did this too.
Why not find a nice Swedish or Nordic blog to contribute to?
C
Is it legal to shoot a firearm question is really dependent on where and at what. For example, you may be able to shoot a firearm within city limits if it is at a licensed indoor range. That is why I say it depends. http://www.isitlegalto.com has some great discussions on this.
Uddeboda
Did the Swedish Government hand over the Swedish nationals who joined the Waffen-SS ?, As well as the germans they handed over the Latvians and estonians who had not fought with the Germans, they did not want to go to the USSR but were forcefully repariated by the Swedes.
I like many of millions of others have worn our countries uniform to defend stronger principles than neutrality at all costs, I have served in several conflicts with NATO, due you feel it is ok for innocent civilians to be massacred so that your country etains its neutrality ?
These posts are very far from the original post that started off this thread, I do not want you to "shut up" as this is part of the freedoms that we all enjoy in the free world because nations have gotten off the fence.
As for whether it is ok for people to own and enjoy Firearms and target practice, well you live so far away in your nice little neutral country its not really got anything to do with you has it ?
I shall leave it at that.
http://welcometosweden.blogspot.com/2007...
Forgot to add this
callumkn
great posts!
and uddeboda
you're just another example of what happens to the biggest, baddest kid on the block, the United States, there are always people trying to tear u down. especially people from unimportant insignificant little socialist countries which have NEVER had even 15 seconds on the world stage. its caused by one of the oldest human emotions: jealousy.
Some things from Sweden that are good:
Bikini Team
Meatballs
& Dynamite (thanks to the great Swede, Alfred Nobel)
It is OK to shoot a firearm in Las vegas metro area, but only if you are shooting a politician,(Oscar Goodman excluded) Lawyer, or a really obnoxious used car salesman. But if you hit an innocent passerby it is definitely murder one.
Captainamerica,
i would add timeshare salesmen and the porn-slappers(people who hand out the girls to your door cards) to your list too !!
Uddeboda
I thought that you would dodge the hard questions.
You make some rather good points on other threads about finance and Green issues, then rather spoil it by going on a rant about how the US is so bad.
Please can you explain why you feel the need to do this, Also why on the Las Vegas Sun's pages ?, why not the New York Times ? for a wider audience.
I have seen the comments that you have made on other sites and they seem to be rather the same as here, you follow the pattern of making a comment then when someone puts a comment back you drag it to the level of USA bashing telling all and sundry why the US is bad, why do you feel the need to do this ?.
Once again I am not trying to shut you up I am just wondering why you spend so much of your time doing this, I would reason that as you are in your 70's now you dont have a lot else to do, but why not use your time in a more constructive manner.
C
Uddeboda
Why not concentrate on your own problems in finance, the 90 billion Krona that your own government is having to find
http://www.thelocal.se/16934/20090115/
Considering you are a land of less than 10 million that is a lot of money to find
As for Military presence around the world we have already covered this, the swedes would rather people killed eath other than intervene (your precious neutrality policy)
As for attitude as I have said before the American populace is one of the most polite I have ever encountered, I have also spent a lot of Time in Sweden too and I would rather be in the USA.
The one thing the USA has right is the taxes, what is the income tax and social security level of taxation in Sweden ?
Why not have a nice trip to MalasKog for the day, or try taking up geology or fishing, there are plenty of places in the Ljungby area for you to fill your time rather than worrying what the nasty Americans are up to !
C
uddeboda
u write u "wish some of you would get at my home country".
the reason we don't, is because nobody CARES about your home country. it's an insignificant little bit player on the world stage, neither important enough or interesting enough for any of us to care.
just like you.
uddeboda,
impressive list! obviously u are proud of your country. why then, do u find it so hard to understand that WE are proud of OUR country, and do not take very kindly to foreigners attacking our uniquely american ideals?
I would make a list of MY countries inventions and accomplishments, but it would fill PAGES and VOLUMES to do so, in comparison to your half page of type.....
and by the way, thank u for helping to strengthen my frequent argument that we are borrowing against our children's futures by following the example of socialist countries (like Sweden!) with our current administrations dangerously out-of-control spending.