Web chatter ahead of police in revealing details of crime

Sunday, June 7, 2009 | 2 a.m.

Tanner Rousseau

Criminal complaint and the arrest report

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Metro Police announced very little about the arrest of Tanner Rousseau, except that he was 18 and booked on murder charges in connection with a fatal stabbing in the Tropicana parking lot. But almost immediately, his friends told the world a lot more — online.

“I was there, I saw the whole thing. I know what happened and you guys don’t. The guy kept hitting him in his head after he was stabbed the first time and he still had Tanner by his hair,” someone wrote on the Sun’s Web site under the name “not guilty.”

Another commenter claimed to be one of Rousseau’s closest friends and wrote: “I gave him the legal 2 1/2 blade ... it was for protection ... and I’m glad I did ...”

Before the coroner confirmed the victim’s name — Gregory Dominique — for the media, people who knew Dominique were online too, lamenting his death and arguing with supporters of Rousseau.

“At least all you Tanner-loving people can visit him and talk to him, send him books to read in prison. I will never be able to see or hear from Greg again!”

The Sun posted three brief online stories about Rousseau’s arrest and the May 8 stabbing. These online blurbs quickly generated hundreds of comments from anonymous readers; people who said they were witnesses, relatives, friends or none of these things, just observers trying to dissect a crime from the comfort of their computers.

Online, groups that would have been unlikely to meet in person — friends of the accused and friends of the victim — all but collided. Their exchanges, just days after an incident we still don’t know much about, slowly painted a picture of the people involved and, maybe, of what happened that night in the Tropicana parking lot. Whether this is a triumph of citizen journalism, or a gift to attorneys ready to litigate the case, remains to be seen. What’s clear is that the Internet, and the immediacy of communication, has changed the landscape of crime and punishment.

Clark County Public Defender Phil Kohn is not representing Rousseau, but he has concerns about the online comments nonetheless: What happened on the Sun site happens on Web sites around the world and has implications for every case to come.

“You can say anything now with complete anonymity. You can be libelous as you want,” Kohn said. “And I don’t know where society is going with that.”

And you can be as libelous as you want, online. Under the Communications Decency Act, Web sites and Internet service providers have no duty to review or remove online comments made by third parties. In fact, there is almost an incentive not to review comments made online, because Web sites on which too much or selective editing is done can be seen as complicit in defamation.

Unlike the content of a physical newspaper, which is always subject to editorial review before it is printed, comments made online are instant and too vast to really police — though the Sun does require commenters agree to certain service terms before posting on the site. These terms prohibit comments that are “libelous, defamatory, obscene, harmful, vulgar, threatening, tortious, harassing, abusive, invasive of another’s privacy, hateful, racially or ethnically objectionable, or otherwise illegal material.”

Through Web comments, the online world learned early on that Rousseau is from Arlington, Wash., a “pathetic place to live. There is a lot of poverty ... and a heck of a lot of boredom. Vegas is one of those places kids in Arlington joke about running off to, to simply escape the doldrums that we find ourselves swept off to with nothing to do.”

We learned that Rousseau had recently turned 18 and was slight, about 130 pounds, his friends said. (The police report confirmed it: His birthday was March 17, just over a month before the stabbing, and Rousseau was 5-foot-7 and 132 pounds when booked.

We learned that a few weeks before he came to Vegas, Rousseau had been hit by a car in Washington and suffered a concussion. Online, Rousseau’s friends made much of this accident, claiming Rousseau wielded his knife only because Dominique began punching him in the head.

Dominque’s “fists were like weapons” to Rousseau because of his prior head injury, one commenter argued online, going on to post a definition of “second-impact syndrome” — a potentially deadly condition that occurs when someone who has a concussion receives a second blow shortly thereafter.

In short, a defense was being posted online. And though it appeared to be put together anonymously by committee, it echoed what detectives noted Rousseau told them during his interrogation: “Rousseau related (the car accident and concussion were) relevant because he informed detectives that while Dominique had a hold of his hair and was striking him in the head he feared for his well being and for that reason he pulled a folding knife from his pocket.”

When commenters brought up the race of the men, we were told that Dominique, 35, “was half-black, half-white so race has nothing to do with it.” We learned that he was “an easy going guy, until he was threatened.”

We also learned, bit by bit, but still not entirely, what is alleged to have happened. The police report offers a concise account: At 4 a.m. May 6, Rousseau and a friend, Brandon Carmack, came into contact with Dominique outside the Tropicana. Carmack said he agreed to buy drugs (what kind we don’t know because it hasn’t been publicly reported by police, though online commenters have suggested cocaine) from Dominique in exchange for $6 and a bit of marijuana. The transaction occurred and Carmack realized he had ended up with an empty envelope. Carmack said he then jumped on Dominique, starting a fight. Rousseau, in an attempt to assist his friend, kicked Dominique in the genitals. The fight was supposedly over when Dominique charged Rousseau and began hitting him in the head. Rousseau then stabbed Dominique two to three times before the teens fled.

About half an hour later, Rousseau walked up to a cop who was driving around the Tropicana looking for suspects and said “You got me” with his hands in the air, according to the police report. The officer told Rousseau to quit playing games. Rousseau again said he was the person police wanted and that he had stabbed someone, the police report notes.

Two days before Tanner’s statement to police would be reported in the newspaper, commenters on the Sun site were talking about it: “The cop didn’t even know that he did it. We had to tell him.”

When Rousseau was in Las Vegas Justice Court for his preliminary hearing on May 28, his attorney, James Dean Leavitt, suggested the stabbing was self-defense. That suggestion appears to have resonated with Justice of the Peace Tony Abbatangelo because he dropped Rousseau’s bail from $50,000 to $10,000. The teen made bail and went home to Washington but is due to appear before a District Court judge on Wednesday.

Rousseau’s attorney said he was unaware of the online postings until the Sun contacted him.

Picking jurors for high profile cases is hard enough when there’s just the news media to contend with, Kohn said. An army of online commenters creates the potential for all kinds of unchecked information to find its way into the courtroom.

“Friends and family writing (online) to justify the acts of someone they love are not subject to cross-examination. They are not subject to any rules or ethics,” Kohn said. “It’s a whole new world out there that none of us contemplated.”

Metro homicide detective Chris O’Brien, the lead investigator on the case, is aware of the postings and has read them. He would not say what homicide detectives might do with information gleaned online — only that Internet postings, or MySpace pages, do sometimes yield useful information for detectives.

Commenters on the Sun site knew this too: “You know LVMPD reads this and you have your name right there, and it’s super easy to find your myspace.”

Rousseau’s MySpace page was also super easy for commenters to find, to mine for personal information, anything that might reveal a bit of the teen’s character. They found photos of Rousseau goofing around with friends. Photos of him smiling through a bruised face after his car accident. And photos of the 18-year-old drinking. It was also super easy for commenters to research Washington state court records and discover that someone named Tanner Rousseau had been charged with possession of drug paraphernalia.

When one poster shared a link to what appeared to be Rousseau’s court records, other commenters questioned whether airing prior charges was fair or relevant to the immediate case. In response to this criticism, the poster wrote: “I just wanted to counter the overwhelming sentiment at the time that he was a goody-two shoes that was randomly robbed or attacked. Maybe I’ve gone a bit too far and I do apologize.”

Too late. The information is out.

Discussion: 28 comments so far…

By mikenyc

6/7/09 at 2:26 a.m.

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I am not familiar with this particular case and so cannot comment on it. But the implication that online commentary is the problem is alot of baloney. In the case of Darling/Manor, it was the online commentary which pointed out facts in the case that the Las Vegas Sun was unable or unwilling to print - eyewitness accounts which stated that Manor was speeding without lights or sirens. This despite a lying arrest report, a lying trailing officer and a lying sheriff.
By osirisorion

6/7/09 at 2:59 a.m.

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I agree "mikenyc" i cannot comment on thsi issue too but the online commentary thing is really a bunch of baloney! its called freedom of the press, now what are they gana try and shut us up for expressing our point of view? I don't think so, because if they do they would have to go after the papers first which mandate to investigate a story to the smallest detail with accurate facts before printing it and really who can take on the on-line commentary army that makes up the whole internet?
By qq49h

6/7/09 at 3:54 a.m.

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love you abi, right on with webtalk...but who these people are that are 'talking' is a whole nother story
By Sinatra711

6/7/09 at 6:09 a.m.

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I remember this story and commentary. It lit up a fuse on all 3 sides. It made a small story very interesting. Tanner's friends from Washington were the ones who did most of the talking.

I'm surprised the Sun staff and attorneys really did read the comments. I thought they were ignored.

Looks like Tanner is going to get off with self defense after all since they dropped his bail. I can't wait to read all of the facts. I thought he was toast for sure.

S711
By mred

6/7/09 at 6:36 a.m.

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everyone knows that internet comments can be a load of crap, but in the Manor-Darling acccident, they were more accurate than the official police-media information.
By qq49h

6/7/09 at 6:49 a.m.

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we're representing boys
By stevem

6/7/09 at 8:45 a.m.

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given the shameful actions of the police in recent weeks, i think comments about them are justified.

the police in this town are nothing more than thugs with badges.
By Linda_in_Vegas

6/7/09 at 10:05 a.m.

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After reading the arrest report, it still makes no sense to me... Where was the 3rd male in all this? Also, it said Tanner had to tell Brandon he stabbed Greg, yet Brandon was standing right there, and was suppose to have fought with Greg, yet again after the stabbing occured. Where was Brandon after all this took place? He wasn't in the car with Tanner and the girls.. If Tanner was being beat in the head, why didn't Brandon help him? I am amazed Tanner was able to open a pocket knife while in the mist of being beaten in the head. Why wasn't Tanner taken to the hospital to be examined for this concussion if he was being beaten in the head? Actually, I am surprised the hospital he was in would have released him if he were still in danger. There are no new marks on his face to even indicate he was in a fight... Where is this envelope?
By neiman1

6/7/09 at 10:24 a.m.

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The political class hates online comments and blogs. They have maintained power by limiting or outright controlling information.

The net has allowed free and open discussion of everything from the illegal arrest of the victim after the METRO crash to this.

The attempts to limit free speech will come from many angles. This is trying to paint it in "public safety" and protection of rights. The first right is FREE SPEECH. Protect it even when you cannot stand what's being said.
By geezelouise

6/7/09 at 10:37 a.m.

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You have to wonder why it is that lawyers and law enforcement want to hide the truth from being spoken.

If it hurts their case, but it is the truth, is it really hurting or helping the public to understand what really happened.

A part of the responsibility of the citizenry is to form their own opinion regarding the credibility of the writer.

I guess the law and the government think that we are too stupid to form an educated opinion.

I don't need anyone to tell me what to think, just give me the facts and let me figure it our for myself, thank you.
By random_las_vegas

6/7/09 at 12:14 p.m.

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This is awesome :) This is the power of the internet, we have created our own news just by being concerned citizens.

We were fairly accurate in guessing what happened now that we see the arrest report.

Now we know why the bail was dropped to $10,000. I don't think it will be the easiest self defense case in the world, but it wasn't the easiest straight up murder case to begin with (the whole intent thing).

But, I hope it was worth it for these kids. They could have just accepted the loss of $6 and a little weed. They caused this whole mess, they weren't innocent victims at all. Remember when Tanner's friends said he was a victim of robbery, not in the least.
By neiman1

6/7/09 at 1:34 p.m.

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There was a crash last week between a METRO unit and a private car sending 2 women to the hospital. Where are the results of the "investigation". Was this another cover up?
By Linda_in_Vegas

6/7/09 at 1:54 p.m.

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I have followed the murder of Greg since the beginning.. These below are just a few of the statements made by Tanner's friends, many were removed because of the content, therefore cannot be viewed now. One of which basically questioned, was the guy a homeless bum, a druggie, we need to know.. another that was signed "Team Tanner" my a woman claiming to be an adult,like it was a ballgame or a sort of competition..

jdbaldwin29

Oh yah The bum Black man that was stabbed, Was A Big Time Druggy. So i really don't have much pity for him.. IT WASN'T MURDER IT WAS SELF DEFFENCE

tiger22

yup he was a drug dealer like i said EVERYONE HAS SECRETS why would the "victim" tell you guys that.. he prolly was homeless i guuess you will do anything for drugs huh? wow people are pieces of crap out in the world i dont care if he was 20 he still beat up a 18 year old boy!! how matture right? NOT

conrad f****** nichuals

i am one of tanner closes friend my name is conrad vincent nichuals any body talkin s**t i will be down their for trial as long with all arlington so run your mouths ill find ya punks and i gave him the legal 2 1/2 blade u do not need a counceiled wepons perment just need to be 18 it was for protection from any body whom wished to hurt him and im glad i did it would have happened to ure friend anyways so i did feel for his famly but know burn in hell like his punk a** father,son,child i dont give a f**k he obviously deseved to die or god wouldent make him burn in hell for his sins tanner has been living at my house for almoust a year he has not been jumping from house to house.

conrad f****** nichuals

i would take 25-life for this kid and im serious sorry to the po-po this is not a threat or a plan its a warning for random_las_vegas but u dont shut your mouth ill be in their wit him couse i got his back and no one talks sh*t about him u got these punks on here thinkin they know what happened im the one that gave him my knife and im sorry but if he stabed someone they deserved it maybe not deseved it but had it comin becouse he was a drug dealer rippin people of good way to die thought he was a little thug but was just a scrub

conrad f****** nichuals

livin in our neighborhood is great we are all friends and love to hang with each other but anywere can be a bad neighborhood u stupid peice of sh*t anyone can take a life u got to be smart ure callin me stupid but when ure in there screamin and cryin self defence who gives a fuc* burn in the deepest darkest hottest part of hell
By Linda_in_Vegas

6/7/09 at 1:56 p.m.

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cont

conrad f****** nichuals

1st cuz i am sory for all the sh*t i sed i belive u that your cuz was really your cuz and u have reason bein here on this site tell your famly we are all sorry and im sorry and i know tanner is sorry but he will tell u that and it is up to u to foregive or not all these other people are purposly tryin to get us goin takin advantige of our situation and im truly sorry please forgiv me i sed sh*t i never shuold have sed and im sorry but fuc* random_las_vegas suck my c*ck i am not apoligizeing to ure fag ass

MissGirl

I am from a-town. I didn't know tanner very well but i do know he has much going for him and is smart as hell!I would like to say it is not eligle to carry a knife under two inches on you and i believe tanners knife was legal. I would know my boyfriend has two. We believe in protecting ourselves its our right (maybe some people should read up on it).

Alice1

What kind of answer I am looking for just to let you know is (IF) this man attacked in any way, why would people say he should have hit back and not pulled a knife their were other ways to handle a situation like this!

OLDEVFriend

Yea over a small amout of cash. It still a jack move on the 35 year olds side i would have attacked to if the guy pulled my hair. it pretty easy to turn on some one you dont know or care about.

OLDEVFriend

possession of drug paraphernalia could be some D**K cop caught him with a pipe and charged him. BIG Deal why was the victim pulling jack moves he he was such a perfect person a father figure shouldn't be pulling jack moves on 18 year olds. Stop Referring to one charge it tanner had muti. charges i could see the problem.

guffty

all you people who say tanner is a criminal, he's not. he is a great person.Sure he has gotten in some trouble in the past, but still most of you never knew him. i guarantee he would of never done that unless he was going to lose his life. besides that's tanner is a way better person than that idiot selling $h!t to people pulling jack moves.

Matt VD

Had i have known that tanner was going to vegas i would have gone with him especially if i knew he was just going with conrad... i honestly dont like or trust conrad but he is not the one facing charges

loveyoutanner

First off... It doesn't matter whether or not drugs were envolved. Tanner will most likely be charged for two sepperate offenses: Murder and Intent to transfer a controled substance. That's IF there was truly narcotic activity at the scene.

THE EDITORS OF THIS PAPER NEED TO STOP THE SLANDER OF TANNER ROUSSEAU. KNOW THE FACTS BEFORE YOU PUBLISH FICTION.

music=freedom

i just cant understand why tanner would even do anything like this it is not in his nature. Maybe he's taking the fall for one of his frieds cux that is something that he would do.
By Linda_in_Vegas

6/7/09 at 2:06 p.m.

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I find it very unfortunate that since the only person that could tell the victim's side, was the victim.. This case is totally one dimensional.. Tanner and his friends had at least 30 minutes to put a story in place...
By firedawg2000

6/7/09 at 2:30 p.m.

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CARROT TOP is a murder suspect??? Say it isn't so!!!
By random_las_vegas

6/7/09 at 2:34 p.m.

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It amazes me that an attorney is entirely unaware of the online world.

How hard is it to enter a clients name into Google? Potential employers have been doing it for years now.

What kind of people don't think about what they post on publicly accessible websites. Through looking into this case it is incredible the amount of questionable pictures and text people post on their public Myspace pages. IF you must have pictures of yourself committing crimes online (underage drinking and smoking pot) online, why not at least make your profile private? It's like these kid's are proud of how much they party and act stupid.

Why wouldn't an attorney advise his client to remove all traces of questionable character from the internet if possible. Tanner has had pictures of him smoking a joint and drinking on myspace for months now.

His friends haven't done him any favors either. We would take guesses and they'd confirm things. The unknown drug most likely is coke because Tanner's friends said it was.

As far as the case goes it's going to be really interesting. This is not very clear cut self defense. It's mutual combat, in most cases I've read online the 2nd fight is not independent from the first fight. The victim Greg was peaceable and did NOT start the fight. Brandon started the fight by jumping on Greg (being tricked out of a small amount of money and drugs is no reason to assault someone, the only thing to do in the situation is to walk a way a little wiser, Brandon was WAY wrong). It is noble that Tanner tried to defend his friend, but maybe he should have let his friend make his own mistake. It sounds like Greg was just trying to fight Brandon off and get away from the kids that assaulted him (keep in mind he was outnumbered). Greg was defending himself, Brandon was assaulting someone just cause he was mad. Tanner provoked Greg by kicking him in the genitals. So now we know Tanner was not totally uninvolved he was fighting too. Greg should have walked off after, but it is very understandable to be upset that someone kicked you in the genitals.
By random_las_vegas

6/7/09 at 2:35 p.m.

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It isn't like Tanner was an innocent kid on vacation with his family who got beaten from behind and had his wallet taken.

The truth is quiet different. He was a troubled kid hanging out with other troubled kids completely unsupervised. He knew his friends were carrying drugs themselves and he knew he might be put in dangerous situations (why he was carrying the knife). He chose to put himself in the middle of a drug deal gone bad and he kicked a man in the genitals provoking him. It may not be murder (he didn't intentionally kill Greg) but it's not what most people would think of as self defense (an innocent victim protecting themselves from almost-certain death).

Tanner should spend some time in prison. Taking this lightly sends the wrong message to him and his troubled friends. Who still seem convinced that Tanner was an innocent victim.

I'm glad to see his attorney is planning a Jury trial. I thought he'd try a plea bargain, but I bet if he did it would be rejected.

The 2nd impact syndrome thing is kind of questionable. He is lucky he had that concussion otherwise he wouldn't have what shred of a defense he does have. But, how concerned was Tanner of 2nd impact syndrome was Tanner in his daily life since getting hit by the car? Had he skateboarded or ridden a bike without a helmet since the accident? If so he wasn't that worried. Those are much bigger worries that carrying a knife so that just in case someone hit him in the head he could protect himself (would he have been carrying a knife with no previous head injury?). Had he been drinking or doing drugs since the car accident (it's easy to stumble and hit your head while intoxicated). If so no worries again.

His friends made no attempt at all to get help for the man that was stabbed by their friend. They were only thinking of themselves as usual. If Tanner was such a nice guy and just protecting himself, why didn't he try to make a phone call that could have saved the victim's life. He would have gotten in trouble either way, but maybe a man wouldn't have had to have died.
By random_las_vegas

6/7/09 at 2:40 p.m.

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Arlington may appear poor but these kid's didn't suffer from poverty. Keep in mind not all teenagers have cars and the means to go for a joyride to Las Vegas on a whim. They could afford a hotel room and pot. They sure don't look poor on myspace either. Maybe Arlington isn't as boring and as full of nothing as these kid's would lead you to believe either. You have to keep in mind they are semi-emo kid's and usually those kids are of average or above means but like to just "play sad and neglected poor misunderstood me". These kids were talented and had above average opportunity, they didn't need to waste their lives away partying endlessly.
By JSpence07

6/7/09 at 4:50 p.m.

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Those children all have very bad grammar and spelling. I've been aware of this story since it's been posted on this site, but never saw the comments from the suspects friends. Yes, I said suspect because that is what he is!! He is not a victim. I hope this Tanner kid gets charged with murder. I don't see how it was self defense when Tanner provoked Greg. Give me a break. He is no victim.
By Lenny_V

6/7/09 at 10:09 p.m.

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This random vegas guy is a clown for putting himself in the mix, thinking he's some fn expert on the defendant because he looked him up online.
By random_las_vegas

6/7/09 at 10:18 p.m.

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Ummm several people have pointed out that my posts make the most sense out of any on here. I brought something useful to the mix. I don't care if you think I'm a clown. I'm trying to make something good come from this and help get justice for the real victim.
By JahReb

6/8/09 at 7:30 a.m.

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Lenny, thank you. Random obviously needs attention.

Somehow without being at the scene of the crime, or knowing any of the parties involved, he has all the answers and knows everything about everything.

Not only does Grissom errr....Random know exactly what happened that night, he is an expert on Tanner's upbringing, childhood, and the psychological reasoning behind his fateful actions that night.

He is a crime scene analyst, criminal psychologist and legal procedure scholar all in one!

Methinks someone has been watching a little too much CSI and First 48.
By ShannonK

6/8/09 at 8:42 a.m.

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Neither Tanner nor his attorney are very bright. Tanner's Myspace is still accessible, along with all of the pictures of him partying. What a dumbass.
By Linda_in_Vegas

6/8/09 at 10:11 a.m.

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OK, I had to go over the arrest report several more times.. I am even more confused as to why Tanner would have received bail at all.. unknown SS# and unknown address? Also, if a Judge were to review this report, it has Brandon's birth date on it, which would make Tanner look like he had just barely turned 17 yrs (which would make him a juvenile). Tanner is going to be 19 yrs this August..

Tanner's bail was originally set at $50,000, and was substantially lowered to $10,000. Now, Tanner's friends, as well as this article states that Tanner IS out on bail.. yet when looking at court documents, it says Tanner is IN custody at CCDC, Bail Set:$10,000 Posted:No So, is he out on an OR? Very confusing..

The Marijuana that Tanner and his friend had, was that brought across stateline? If so, isn't that a crime as well?

Was the bench Greg sitting on when Tanner and friends approached possibly a bus stop, that maybe he was sitting on to catch a bus home from work?

How did kids under 21 yr check into a Hotel/Casino, unless someone with them was 21 or over? And how can kids after only being in town 5 hours get in so much trouble???

If these were local kids out this time of day/night messing around on the Strip and in the parking lots, what would the outcome have been?

Back to Bail! We happen to have another case where a local man (Bryan Hall 27yrs), is in custody for killing another local man(casino crime scene as well), with a large rock. He has been denied any bail as per LVSun news, as well as other news media, Tanner's was lowered... Bryan Hall's friends and family all say the say things as Tanner's.. Bryan would never do such a thing ect..

Re ShannonK:

On the contrary, I got a feeling both Tanner and his attorney are smart like a fox..
By Linda_in_Vegas

6/9/09 at 7:46 a.m.

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Re: to what I said in my last post

"Also, if a Judge were to review this report, it has Brandon's birth date on it, which would make Tanner look like he had just barely turned 17 yrs (which would make him a juvenile). Tanner is going to be 19 yrs this August.."

While it is true that Brandon's birthday is typed in Tanner's DOB box on the arrest report, Brandon would have just barely turned 18, not 17, therefore NOT a juvenile. The month of August kept sticking in my mind, which is of course Tanner's birthday. If Brandon's birthday had been August of 1991, he would be 17, but his birthday is March of 1991, which of course makes him just turning 18. I do apologize.

I can't understand why Tanner would use his past concussion(if there was one)as a reason for self-defense. If he was so concerned about this, I can't understand why he didn't seek immediate medical attention for himself to be examined, right after the altercation. Also, Metro is really good at what they do, and had Tanner expressed this type of concern to them, they most definitely would have immediately had him medically examined, or even possibly driven him to UMC (county hospital)for testing themselves.. As he said, he was in fear of his life for precisely this very reason. I also can't believe that his friends would not expect him to be looked at medically as well. Perhaps if he had gone to the hospital, they may or may have not found any new blows to his head during a CAT scan...
By music_freedom

6/11/09 at 6:48 p.m.

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in prevous readings one was saying if he was such a nice why didnt he just turn himself in?..

well guess what he did. it shows that he does have some integrity.

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