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Carolyn Calley, the Church of Scientology’s director of community affairs in Las Vegas, says the valley is home to about 2,000 Scientologists.
Thursday, Aug. 13, 2009 | 2 a.m.
Workers renovate the Church of Scientology's future home in August near Emerson and Eastern avenues. The church in October 2005 purchased the 3.71-acre parcel for $2.9 million from a synagogue that has since moved to Henderson, according to county records.
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About Scientology
• Founded in the early 1950s by science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard. His 1950 book, “Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health,” provided many of the principles of what would later become Scientology. Those include opposition to modern psychiatry.
• Regained tax exempt status in 1993, after a decades-long battle with the IRS, which had claimed it was a commercial enterprise designed for Hubbard’s gain. Church claimed tax exemption victory equaled “full religious recognition.”
• Says it now has millions of adherents and more than 6,000 churches, missions and groups worldwide.
• Teaches that people are spiritual beings who have lived through past lives and forgotten their real nature.
• Puts members through a type of counseling called “auditing,” during which painful or traumatic events are recalled so members can free themselves of the memories’ effects.
Criticisms of Scientology
• Numerous news accounts have included allegations that the group is more of a moneymaking cult than a religion. The church has denied the allegations and pointed to converts who have said their new faith has improved and sometimes saved their lives.
• In 1991 Time magazine published a lengthy article titled “The Thriving Cult of Greed and Power,” which concluded: “In reality the church is a hugely profitable global racket that survives by intimidating members and critics in a Mafia-like manner.” Scientology’s leaders denied the allegations and sued Time. A federal judge dismissed each libel claim against the magazine.
• The St. Petersburg Times in Florida two months ago published a series on the church, recounting allegations that Scientology’s leader, David Miscavige, repeatedly physically attacked his subordinates and subjected them to psychological abuse. The church responded to the articles by claiming that high-ranking Scientology defectors who spoke to the newspaper were vengeful and spewing “absolute and total lies” in an effort to tarnish Miscavige’s image.
Scientology is getting big in the Las Vegas Valley, at least in terms of square footage.
The controversial religion is renovating a former synagogue complex near the corner of Eastern and Emerson avenues so it can become Scientology’s focal point in Nevada, with 36,845 square feet of space and a “Celebrity Centre” to specially cater to high-profile artists, celebrities and community leaders.
The Las Vegas celebrity center will be Scientology’s fourth such center in the U.S. The others are in Los Angeles, New York and Nashville, Tenn.
According to church spokeswoman Karin Pouw, the centers provide a private environment for celebrities, high-profile artists and leaders to mingle and learn about the church. Several movie stars are well-known advocates of Scientology, including Tom Cruise and John Travolta.
Critics have alleged that Scientology targets celebrities and other well-known figures for recruitment because they tend to be wealthy and their star power strengthens the church’s ability to recruit others. Scientologists deny those allegations and say the centers are worthy because artists, and by extension culture, needs to be supported.
About one-third of the new Las Vegas Scientology church will be used to inform people, including walk-ins, about the church and its programs, Pouw said.
About 2,000 Scientologists live in the valley, said Carolyn Calley, community affairs director of the Church of Scientology in Las Vegas. That’s the same number cited for Nashville’s Scientology population when plans for the church’s similar-size building were announced there.
The new Las Vegas church and the one that opened in Nashville in April are part of a recent worldwide effort to expand the church’s reach. In the past five years, the church has acquired 3.6 million square feet of space for centers around the world, Pouw said.
According to records from the Clark County assessor’s office, the Church of Scientology, Creative Mission of Las Vegas, in October 2005 purchased the 3.71-acre parcel from Congregation Ner Tamid, a large Reform synagogue that has since moved to Henderson, for $2.9 million. According to Calley, the church is spending about another $3 million on renovations.
The renovated church, set to open in November, will have added space for executive offices.
The Scientologists will keep their building on East Sahara Avenue near State Street and may use it for administrative purposes, Calley said.
According to Clark County Commissioner Chris Giunchigliani, in whose district the new church will reside, the Scientologists won approval for changes to their new location about two months ago, about the time Martin-Harris Construction began its work on the former synagogue.
During neighborhood meetings, Giunchigliani said, only a few nearby residents expressed reservations. Residents mostly had other types of questions, the typical ones about parking and the renovated building’s height, Giunchigliani said.
In recent weeks, three Scientology representatives also met with Las Vegas Mayor Oscar Goodman and Las Vegas City Councilmen Gary Reese and Steve Ross to talk about their expansion plans and, Calley said, to introduce them to the church’s anti-drug and human rights programs.
Goodman said the Scientologists told him they were interested in building something major in Las Vegas, on the “scale of grandeur” of the church’s Los Angeles-area building, one of its largest.
Reese was impressed with the Scientologists’ zeal. “I love meeting with people who are very upbeat and believe in what they are doing,” he said.
None of several elected officials contacted for this story expressed concern about the increased local presence of the church, a group that has been criticized for decades for its recruitment practices and what some allege are cultlike techniques used to retain members and extract money from them.
The center that opened in Nashville did run into small community protests.
“I believe they are trying to come across as though they are like your local Presbyterian or Catholic Church or Jewish synagogue. They are not,” said Todd Lake, vice president of spiritual development at Belmont University in Nashville. “The idea that you would have this gilded, platinum-edged treatment for celebrities, who are often people of means, goes against everything most monotheistic religions stand for.”
“This is unlike any other religion,” said Lake, who holds a doctorate in theology.
Religious leaders in the Las Vegas Valley are not concerned about Scientology’s rising local profile, according to F. Gard Jameson, chairman of the Interfaith Council of Southern Nevada. Scientology does not appear on the council’s Web site, but Jameson said it is a member of the council.
“We don’t really judge that institution in any way,” said Jameson, associate pastor of Grace Community Church, a Methodist church in Boulder City. “My goodness, if you look at the Catholic Church or some Protestant churches, they’ve had their share of controversies, too.”
“My view is, whatever brings you closer to the experience of the divine, that’s a good thing,” he added.
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There's not much "alleging" going on, in regard to Scientology using celebrities. L. Ron Hubbard had a massive program to target them long ago.
The Scientology "celebrity center" concept -- what other "church" has separate facilities just for celebrities and rich people -- which began in Hollywood, is very big for "mingling," that is career networking in the film and TV industry. Young, impressionable wannabees join Scientology thinking they'll jump start their career, by meeting someone important at the celebrity center.
Scientology's two-tier religious fraud is so obvious, that virtually every top journalist in the country who has done research on Scientology comes away with the impression it is a brainwashing scam. Why? Because it uses brainwashing techniques to get members to believe every word L. Ron Hubbard wrote is some type of ultimate truth. Hubbard was a hypnotist, and a sci fi writer. He flunked out of college, and Scientology's present leader is a cult fanatic and a high school dropout.
There is no "clear." There are no "super powers" as Scientology advertises. Scientology uses over 100 front groups, to separate people from their their money. They even try to sell Hubbard's outdated and bogus STUDY TECH, as a way to educate children. It is thinly disguised cult indoctrination. Scientology's agenda is simple. They want to take over government and rule the world by making everyone a Scientologist.
Thank you for the sidebar pointing people toward the controversy that swirls around this cult. At times, when Scientology is renovating a building, journalists opt for mentioning only Scientology's gushing propaganda, about how they are "here to help."
If too much money is your problem, Scientology is here to help you with that. Their pyramid scheme fees escalate rapidly into the tens of thousands of dollars, especially if you get to the exalted OTIII level, to learn about the evil galactic overlord Xenu and the dead space alien souls that Scientologists believe are attached to all of us.
I agree with Jameson, churches such as the Catholic and Protestant church have had their share of controversies but they usually get brought out in to the open and dealt with.
The organisation calling itself "the church of scientology" is different.
The belief system around which the organisation is based (scientology) isn't really controversial. Some may think it an odd mix of the banal, the obvious, some peculiar views and the bizarre but it's not really special or controversial. It's not even that good for self help.
The beliefs themselves don't warrant the global monthly protests as have being happening since Feb 2008. Nor do they warrant the attention the organisation is getting in the courts in Europe.
What is controversial about the organisation calling itself "the church of scientology" is how it is organised and operated. The organisation itself is the real problem.
Basically the organisation takes good people and turns them in to recruiting machines for it. In doing so it takes over their lives and isolates them from those outside of it. It often ruins their lives too.
The organisation is responsible for people wearing bright yellow Scientology Volunteer Minister uniforms turning up at disaster zones to try to recruit the victims and "keep the psychs". The Volunteer Ministers never bring their own food, water or shelter to a disaster zone, they just bring a yellow tent filled with Scientology paraphernalia and offer people back rubs (touch assists) and information on becoming a scientology. The tragic thing is the people doing this really believe they are helping. They have real zeal, just misguided zeal.
The organisation is responsible for a group called the Citizen's Commission for Human Rights. This group acts as a watch dog group to the psychiatric industry but their extremist agenda and actions make other watch dog groups cringe. They will turn up after a school shooting incident to protest against psychiatrists, whom they claim are the root of all evil, with no regard to the affects being felt by those involved in the tragic event. Again these people believe this inappropriate protesting is really helping.
The organisation is responsible for encouraging people to refinance beyond their means in order to buy another set of courses or fund one of their many scams.
An example of the many scams the organisation operates is the library scam. They have a campaign to put a set of their books in to each library around the world. Fine, except they produce the books IN HOUSE using cheap (low paid, "volunteer" labor) but get their members to donate funds to buy the books at retail prices. Also, most libraries don't accept unsolicited donations so return them, yet they never get credited back - it just helps pad the profit.
no worse than mormons.
I'd like to pose a question about Scientology that is rarely asked. Is is prompted by your photo of Carolyn Calley, Scientology LV "Director of Community Affairs," therefore relevant to this article.
Why are so many high level Scientologists overweight?
Tory Magoo, the web's most famous ex-Scientologist and critic on YOUTUBE, answers that. Active Scientologists only speak in riddles, and bursts of enthusiasm, but Tory is down-to-earth, and really tells it like it is, including all the secrets of Scientology. Tory speaks from her heart, and explains how she was slowly drawn into this cult, with all of its bizarre beliefs.
Tory's explanation of Scientology weight gain is that when Scientologists spend years and hundreds of thousands of dollars, trying to get super powers, and remove the pesky dead space alien souls (Body Thetans) from their being, they get frustrated and compensate with food.
Kirstie Alley, a high profile celebrity Scientologist, is supposed to have powers over MEST (Matter, Energy, Space and Time) yet even with the help of Jenny Craig, she can't seem to control her hunger for butter. Last time I checked, butter is "matter."
Unlike Scientology and Kirstie Alley, Tory makes real sense.
The LV valley doesn't even have 2000 people who have read Hubbard's 1950's pseudo-science crapsterpiece, Dianetics, let alone 2000 Scientologists.
For something like 20 years, Scientology has claimed "8 to 10 million members worldwide," and "rapid expansion." Hey wait a minute! How can they be expanding if they've had 8 to 10 million members for twenty years?
Scientology can't even keep their imaginary statistics on this planet. I guess they are expanding on other planets in their galactic federation.
If this upsets right wingers, I'm all for it!! Hypocrits!!
religion=business, take away tax exempt status untill someone can prove something really exists that they preach. all about the money and power over you folks. has been that way since caveman discovered an idol.
Scienctology, wow! How one man wanted to make money turned into such a thing. They pray to themselves, take advantage of narsistic individuals who so wish to be "Stars" and they let them rub shoulders with some and take there money. They preach only that the individual is important and everyone around them has to believe in them. It's a sham and a con, but this is America and we have a Constitution that allows it. I don't think they have 2000 in Las Vegas, but who knows. People just have to be cautious and understand their terms, all or nothing and they can ruin you if you let them.
The True Story Of Scientology
The true story of Scientology is simple, concise, and direct. It is quickly told:
A man writing sci-fi for pennies-a-word thinks there's a better way
He rewrites Freudian psychology of a subconscious plagued with bad memories
He charges sci-fi fans to get rid of them using hypnosis
The helpless eat up the rhetoric for thousands of dollars
The old guy gets rich and goes sailing with 14 year old girls
The US Government charges the old fart with practicing medicine
He turns his business into a religion
The church infiltrates the FBI and the guy's wife goes to jail
Lisa McPherson dies while under church care
The church continues the con using personality tests and a bridge to nowhere
The old guy goes nuts and writes about UFOs, space stations and alien spirits
The church gets richer selling the space secrets at higher levels
The old guy dies in seclusion a la Howard Hughes
A midget takes over the church
The church sets up front groups for recruiting, Applied Science, Way to Happiness
The church gets narcissistic actors to join for legitimacy
The midget is accused of abuse
:-)
This "religion" is the poster child for why I believe that all churches should be taxed as a business. The rest of the public should not be footing the bill.
First of thanks for the sidebar with some resources of critical voices. One thing bears repeating:
In 1991 Time magazine published a lengthy article titled "The Thriving Cult of Greed and Power," which concluded: "In reality the church is a hugely profitable global racket that survives by intimidating members and critics in a Mafia-like manner." Scientology's leaders denied the allegations and sued Time. A federal judge dismissed each libel claim against the magazine.
This organisation is now under government observation in Belgium, France and Germany. Each of these countries is moving towards a ban because they, like Time Magazine, actually bothered to research this organisation and reached the exact same conclusion. In several countries (Norway, Switserland, the Netherlands and Australia) parliament members have started to ask questions, so hopefully they'll be arriving there soon too.
Don t you think too that it is about time that the community leaders quoted in this article take a step back and wonder whether perhaps Scientology IS a dangerous scam? It's not like it's a secret....the amount of evidence which is publically available is convincing multiple times over.
Visit xenu-directory.net for starters.
It is really interesting to read the comments below. It seems as though there is a battle between Atheist (someone who refuses to believe) and a church of a fairly new religion called Scientology. I guess in the eyes of someone who does not believe in organized religion or spiritual belief you would think that all religion is wrong, same as those who believe that life was not by accident, but was created by a hire purpose. They would probably assume that majority of Atheist are "evil" or have a negative attitude towards all things religious. This will be forever and always a yin and yang battle, no one is right or wrong, and at the end everyone has their own right to their belief.
On the other hand this is a blog, and all blogs love when people comment on their post. It is safe to assume that some bloggers will even stir up commentators to get traction within their blog site.
There is noting wrong with being a Scientologist, and there is nothing wrong with being an Atheist. It is wrong to speak down upon person religious belief.
Let's move forward people and stop being negative.
"Unlike any other religion"
You got that right! What other faith charges you fees to learn their doctrine? What other religion hires PIs to follow and harass critics? What other faith separates you from loved ones if they are critical of Scientology? What other religion holds the same ideals as Scientology's Founder LR Hubbard : Jesus was a pediophile, Blacks are only useful for scrubbing floors, All people below the tone scale of 2.2 should be disposed of without sorrow, this would include, gays, mental defects, criminals (notice any similarities between Nazi's and LRH's thinking yet)?
Narconon is just another front group
http://www.crackpots.org/
http://holysmoke.org/narconon/narconon.h...
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/...
There is so much more to this cult, so many front groups, such a sordid history. Google is your friend. Find out the TRUTH yourself.
Speaking of a "hire" purpose JasonG, Scientology hires many employees before they finish high school. Is that when they got you?
Scientology no longer attracts the bright hippies and college dropouts it did ten and twenty years ago.
Outside the celebrity division -- which is a different world of Scientology -- Scientology workers often come right from their drug addiction treatment program, to work for Scientology.
The term "education" in Scientology means learning to put Scientology before everything else, in order to make money by hypnotizing more vulnerable people.
Incidentally, Scientology uses a very subtle, gradual form of hypnosis. Yet, it is so powerful, that people often take ten years or more, after leaving the cult, to recover from its effects.
Scientology workers often go into the cult with such good intentions, to actually help others, and improve themselves. What they end up doing is getting brainwashed, so that they will lie, cheat, steal and even overlook the cult killing someone (as they did with Lisa McPherson) because they are so fiercely devoted to attracting other members into the cult to keep their "stats" up.
Celebrities are a special catch and target for Scientology, because they have so many millions, they aren't impoverished by the exorbitant fees, nor do they usually see their lives consumed by Scientology activities and thought, in quite the same way as "public" Scientologists, and especially the employees they get to sign billion year contracts.
Of course, as a recruiter one celebrity, just by being a Scientologist, can bring in hundreds of ordinary people, and other wealthy celebrities as well.
The internal thought process of what happens to some Scientology celebrities, wasn't revealed until the famous Tom Cruise video. Celebrities like Cruise can become total fanatics, just like many regular members.
How expensive can Scientology "services" be? Actor Jason Beghe spent more than one million dollars on auditing and courses, before he jumped off their "bridge to total freedom" (lunacy) and denounced it for the scam that it is.
A church should not sell their "secrets" for hundreds of thousands of dollars. None of the legitimate ones do.
Absurdly, Scientology teaches members that they will get pneumonia or die, if they read about Xenu before they've paid the thousands to get to the appropriate level.
There is so much insanity in Scientology, that is hidden from the public.
Except now, all their secrets are on the web, free for anyone to read. Scores of Scientologists have come from the very highest levels, to tell their stories of how the scam works, and how destructive it can be.
L. Ron Hubbard can be heard in his own voice on YOUTUBE, talking about how wonderful cigarette smoking is -- the more the better -- for preventing cancer by ridding the body of radiation. And then there are his trips to Venus and points vertical.
what a bunch of DORK LOSERS! I guess anybody can write a science fiction book and nerds will follow.beam me up scotty!
I have been a member of the Church since 1973 here in Las Vegas. They have helped me, my family and friends. I have personally met more than 2000 members who agree with the aid Scientology offers. In that 30+ years, I have met very few detractors. Just like other dogs, frothing at the mouth, they either get help or die from their disease.
Want to know what Scientology is about? Find out for yourself.
JOY!!
You're are soooo right... Want to know what Scientology is about? Find out for yourself.
In fact, the "church" accepts MasterCard, VISA, American Express, personal checks ($25 return check fee) and of course CASH!! You can also sign over your house, car, personal jewelry. The "church" works just like a pawn shop.
Their MOTO: "Keep Scientology Working"
Here's the price list for "services" ( wink, wink ): http://www.xenu.net/images/2006-Pricelis...
Or you can find out what it's all about here for free: http://forums.whyweprotest.net/123-leaks...
Joy, Scientology is a money making org. It's a scam. It is based on lies and the ego of one man. You too will one day be an Ex-Scientologist. I'm just sad that it'll take you 10-20 years to find out the truth.
http://www.forum.exscn.net
http://exscientologykids.com
Ahhh... It sure feels so good to finally do the right thing.
:-)
theres a sucker born every minute.- pt barnum
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_w-YWwC1...
This is the video Scientologists don't want you to see, the longest TV interview with their founder, L. Ron Hubbard.
At the time, he was leading a bunch of deluded Scientology sailors around on his ship in the Mediterranean, to evade the law, under the pretext of studying ancient civilizations. (Too much time in the engine room breathing fumes?)
L. Ron Hubbard is the sci fi writer, whom Scientologists worship as the "source" of all knowledge. He has all the answers.
Ironically, the man cannot answer a simple question such as how many women he's been married to. The answer is three.
Who in their right mind, would join this fraud religion of nuts, after seeing the insane person who started it all. When the ex-Scientologist mentions OT, he's referring to "Operating Thetan." They are the highest level loons, who believe they have "super powers."
My favorite question in this interview is the one about his Swiss bank account. Hubbard did a lot of pills. (It is documented in letters to certain people.) He's either zipped or drunk in this interview, and this is why he, as well as David Miscavige, rarely appear in public. There is no way to answer detailed questions about Scientology from an educated person, like a reporter, without Scientology sounding crazy.
As the ex-Scientologist in the program explains, "They seriously aim to take over the galaxy."
Well the few psycho idiots or very uninformed spew their mumblings once again as usual!
I have been a Dianeticist & Scientologist since I first picked up, read, and used the highly workable & technological Dianetics book I found in 1986! At that time I had the courage to continue to truly find out for myself what "they" were all about back then and am still with it, of my own accord now.
I have used the technologies to HUGELY help myself and others, no doubt! They work, plain and simple, as advertised baby!!!
Psychiatry literally killed me and wanted to keep me on "my medications" the rest of my life when I went to them for "help"! I had to be brought back to life after one of their so-called "curing treatments", electric shock. It was used after being heavily drugged and without my consent of course! Matter of fact one of the drugs they gave my made me want to kill!
A couple of other religions I belonged to weren't enough. They didn't answer the tough questions very well or give me real life practical ways of handling life. I have met quite a few people who are finding this out for themselves too! They are coming in and aboard the Church of Scientology. Scientology does answer and handle life very accurately!
So you nay sayers can sit out there in left field as long as you want too and spit venom through your pie holes via your decayed minds eternally. People eventually die from this sort of activity sooner or later!
As has been the case for the last 50 odd years, continue to spew your "educational backgrouds" of credibility and secondhand "knowledge" of Dianetics & Scientology. We are not going any where but UP & OUTWARD with your help in making us more well known as the bona fide religion that we are :-))
P.S. And oh, I am not a High-Profile Celebrity, but neither am I shlepp's like you!
Lou Fossessca
Veteran Scientologist
-FOREVER-
Let me dissect that claim of "2000 members" for the readers here.
Where does that number come from? What does it mean?
Well... I'll start by saying that what it ISN'T: it IS NOT 2000 people who are willing stand up and say "I am a a Scientologist."
The corporate entity that is Scientology, claims that ANYONE who buys a Scientology book in one of it's stores or takes a stress-test at ANY point in their life, is a "member" FOREVER, whether that person agrees or not.
Additionally, they will add you to the "Scientologist" mailing list to send you Scientology promotional material (junk mail) as long as they can find a working address for you, and it's nearly IMPOSSIBLE to get off their mailing list. (They send stuff to dead people. They send stuff to the dead's next-of-kin. If you move, they will FIND you. They are RELENTLESS.)
So, what that claim acctually means is; that there are 2000 unfortunate souls in Southern Nevada who are stuck in perpetual junk-mail-hell for the innocent mistake of buying a book years ago.
Anyway, the REAL membership numbers for the corporate entity that is Scientology is a VERY closely guarded secret. (The ACTUAL head-count for active Scientologists in the LAS Vegas valley, is shockingly low: it is estimated to be less than 40, some Anonymous estimates go as low as 18)
Here's a good resource on Scentology's marked bad habit of inflating their membership rolls:
http://www.skeptictank.org/nl/nutl352.ht...
What exactly is it that "works"? How does it "help"? Give me ONE direct answer.
BTW I've seen that old wreck you drive, Lou, and the cheap clothes you wear. Can't afford sure can't much if you give all your money to keep fail org running.
The so-called "second-hand" information is coming from Ex-Scientologists! Who would know better then people who have been used, abused and scammed by this cult. The funny thing is ALL the ex-scientologists are saying the SAME THINGS!
Why is it anyone who publicly criticizes the Cult of Scientology labeled psycho idiots, nay sayers, disgruntled ex employees, or Nazis and on the payroll of big pharmaceuticals? Why does a so called CHURCH attack it critics? The Bible teaches us "love thine enemies as thyself" and "turn the other cheek", no such thing with this cult. It's ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK.
So Lou was the weight loss from being sent to RPF at Gold Base? (Scientology's prison camp =equivalent to a Russian Gulag) Now there's another interesting place. Very creepy. and tell me why the spikes and barbwire are on the INSIDE of the fences, to keep the prisoners from escaping? I have photos, I took myself!
"Psychiatry literally killed me"
I assume you got better?
"[...]and wanted to keep me on "my medications" the rest of my life"
Sounds like good advice, I suggest you take it. Lou please go back on your medication.
-Love, Anonymous. (Also, the Marcabs say: "hi")
Dearest avbb (Oblivious one),
Read a book if you can or get someone else to for you! We also have books on DVD! Apply the technology therein standardly to yourself or a friend then you will know! That is straight from the source. Can't get more direct than that!
I have three vehicles. One of which is a new 2008 Ford F-150 and I do Nutri-system for weight loss since you asked. Please be sure to pass it on to that van driver you have for her health.
As I said, secondhand information, you are what you are and we are not a turn the other cheek or bible faith religion. We have members of other faiths, but we are a church of knowledge. Scientology = Study of Knowledge.
Go get some "help" from your psychiatry community friends. Might as well. If you are attacking us you are with them. I probably won't hear from you ever again then so God be with you when you do!
Yes some of do believe in and worship a Supreme Being, Christ, Abraham, Mohammed, etc, as the non-denominational religion.
Love,
Lou
P.S. How old are you by the way? I have only seen teenagers or younger around the church drawing on the sidewalks and stuff. Isn't that what kids do?
Also if you are so much into the bible sayings what are you doing attacking the Church of Scientology? "Love thine neighbor" I believe it was, right?
I got better because of Scientology!
How old am I? Old enough to recognize a cult when I see it. I have read quite a bit of Hubtards writings. He comes off as a drugged schizophrenic. (oh wait, he died that way too) There is NO scientific backing to any of his claims and as for his laundry list of degrees, those too are bogus.
Oh I also have your DVD you want me to see and every OT level, lectures, most of the run downs and some delightful youtube videos of Hubtard in all his glory.
Forget your invitation, I don't need to join a cult to know it's a cult.
I am curious as to why you are responding to me. I am considered a SP (suppressive person) You aren't cleared to deal with entheta and suppressives, only OSA and the DSA and I highly doubt you are the DSA but considering the TRUE numbers of members it is a remote possibility.
i avoid all man made religions; they make the republicans look like amateurs when it comes to hypocrisy.
Anonymous thanks the Las Vegas Sun and reporter Sam Skolnik for not simply repeating Scientology's PR verbatim, and showing a bit of critical eye.
Anonymous would also like to remind the Sun's readers (and reporters and editors) of some of Scientology's Las Vegas connections:
On 12 November, 1976, Quentin Hubbard, homosexual son of Lafayette Ronald Hubbard died at the age of 22 in an apparent suicide. Police discovered him unconscious in his car in Las Vegas, next to McCarren International Airport, on what is know known as Sunset blvd, on October 28, 1976, without any identifying documents. L. Ron Hubbard was furious at the news, shouting, "That stupid f*****g kid! Look what he's done to me!" Quentin died two weeks later without having regained consciousness. Although there had been a hose from the car's window to the tailpipe, a test for carbon monoxide was negative.
During the early 1980's, Scientology attempted to infiltrate to silence its enemies and critics in Nevada by waging propaganda and espionage campaigns against Las Vegas law-enforcement and business agencies. Documents seized from the church by the FBI reveal the church on a national scale conspired to steal grand jury transcripts, attempted to infiltrate the CIA, and launched a myriad of dirty tricks against public officials. Local targets included: Clark County district attorneys office, the now defunct Clark County Mental Health Association, the Better Business Bureau of Southern Nevada, the FBI's Las Vegas branch, the North Las Vegas Police Department, the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department, and the Las Vegas Review Journal.
http://www.lermanet2.com/scientologynews...
google: "Operation Snow White"
On January 24, 1986, while Lafayette Ronald Hubbard died alone in a RV, on one of his properties in Southern California, with "psyche drugs" in his blood (Vistaril a.k.a. hydroxyzine, a seditive decried by Scientology anti-mentalhealth front-group CCHR), David Miscavage the (alleged) abusive head of Scientology, was living the high-life, gambling here in Las Vegas.
With all we now know about Hubbard the delusional fraudster and Miscavige the abusive psychopath, it is amazing that anyone could still believe this con of a "religion".
I suppose that's why there are a mere 50,000 of these saps left worldwide, and the number is shrinking daily. All the cult's secrets are out in the open now: Hubbard's quackery, Miscavige's abuse, the 60 year reign of terror against anyone who ever dared to speak out, the cons, the scams, the lies, the child abuse and prison camps. The senseless deaths, families ripped apart and financially destroyed.
No one wants to "find out for themselves".
We already know what you're about. Greed, misery and death.
And you're crumbling even as I type this.
Scientology, hmmmmm, do they cling to guns also??
No one knows how a religion works for anybody else!! Not everybody enjoys the same damn thing. Do what works for you and live your life!! Agree to disagree and live your lives!!!!
So we should just look away at the kids being abused and neglected in $cientology?
Nah, don't think so. I'll keep speaking out no matter who doesn't like it. Including you.
In Israel it's a non-religious business.
In the Republic of China (Taiwan), Japan, heavy Catholic, and Islamic countries it's an non-religious "Applied Philosophy"
In the U.K. it's commonwealth-based non-religious charity (that does no actual charity work).
In Austrailla it's a charity (that also does no actual charity work) which grants the charity status in the U.K..
Only in the United States of America, is Scientology declared a "religon", by fiat of the secret IRS settlement, not by any court of law, and only since 1993.
Scientology will call itself either a "religion", an "Applied Philosophy", "non-religious charity", a business or whatever, simply because that status happens to be the most convient or profitable at that paticular moment in time. It will shed this status like a snake sheds it's skin when it becomes inconvenient or unprofitable. As it's done so in the past, and does so still today.
In the United States, between 1950 and 1969 it was a tax-paying business. Hubbard used the "religious angle" and "Religious Cloaking" to evade prosecution from the FDA for his quack use of the "Skin Galvan-ometer," a.k.a. the "E-Meter." "All Orgs are now Churches" and "Stationary is to reflect fact than orgs are churches" and "All public literature must state that Scn is religious" It also states "This may or may not be publicly acceptable. This is NOT the point. It is a requisite defense."
-Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, issued 12 February 1969 , on page 119 of the 1969 version of Volume 6 of the Hubbard Organization Executive Course
In the U.S.A., religions hold a special protected status that businesses don't get, which is convenient, so Scientology calls itself a "religion" here. In Israel, for contrast, religions are very closely monitered, which is not convient for the secretive Scientology, so it calls itelf a business there.
Hubbard was a liar and an opportunist. The corporate entity he created, Scientology, was DESIGNED by him to be the same way.
I have NO problem with the beliefs of Scientology. Whatever floats your boat. I have a HUGE problem with the criminal practices of the church. I have a problem with the fraud, deaths, destroying families, causing people to spend all their money, and fair gaming that the church is involved in.
Here are some examples of their criminal activities:
-1978, L Ron Hubbard was convicted in France for fraud.
-Operation Freakout
-The Government in Spain convicted Heber Jentzsch & ten other Scientology members of "illicit association," coercion, fraud, and labor law violations.
-In 2009, Tommy Davis admits that there was violence going on in the church.
-In Canada the church was convicted on the charge or breaching public trust in 1992
- In France the church is know as a dangerous cult.
-In Belgium, the church went on trial for unlawful exercise of medicine, and fraud,
-In the UK the church payed off London police with thousands of pounds.
-Lisa McPherson, Kyle Brennan, Ellie Perkins
-Disconnection
-Operation Snow White
- In 1999, In Greece, 15 Scientologists were accused of systematically keeping files on politicians, journalists, judges, clergymen and other Greek leading personalities
-In 1997, 29 Scientologists were sentenced to jail for criminal association in Italy.
-in 1989, Scientology was found guilty of intentionally inflicting emotional distress and was ordered to pay Larry Wollersheim $35,000,000 but was reduced to $2,500,000. They still have not payed him.
-The church used lawsuits and harassment to intimidate the Internal Revenue Service in pursuit of non-profit tax-exempt status, succeeding after persuading high-ranking U.S. government officials that Scientology could just make the trouble "go away" if the IRS caved in.
- Top ex-Scientology members speak of violence that they endured from David Miscavaige
-From 1968-1996 there were 25 reports of false imprisonment.
-From 1978-1998 there were 14 reports of assault.
-From 1973-1996 there were 11 reports of violation of labor laws.
-From 1975-1998 there were 18 reports of fraud.
-Fair Game (Shawn Lonsdale)
- Hubbard quotes: ""I'd like to start a religion. That's where the money is"
"You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion."
You should NEVER have to pay money in a religion in order to get some spiritual satisfaction. Religion should be free. If I want to study Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism, I would be able to FREE OF CHARGE.
The response I probably will get is excuse that "All religions commit crimes, and Christianity is far worse than Scientology, etc." I don't care what is worse. The point is that SCIENTOLOGY IS COMMITTING CRIMES AND RUINING LIVES AND NOTHING IS BEING DONE ABOUT IT.
How is that thousands of people who have left the church from all over the world are recalling similar accounts of what happened to them? Is it just a coincidence? I think not.
By the way: That secret 1993 IRS settlement which gave Scientology it's "religion" status (which the IRS has no authority to do) also gave Scientology and Scientologists special benefits that no other religious or non-religious group gets (which it also had no authority to do), and sealed the agreement so YOU can't see it.
It sounds like madness, but in doing so, the IRS made
SCIENTOLOGY THE OFFICIAL RELIGION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
And you never even knew it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nll8-kSlq...
Scientology works, and it helps people! I have been a Scientologist for many years. Just go to your local org to hear the facts from dedicated children working 80+ hours a week with little rest and no freetime! See, thats what Anonymous does not get, Scientology, and its child workforce are dedicated to our cause. The children even volunteer to not be allowed to ever see their families. That is dedication Anonymous will never understand.
Anonymous is nothing but a hate group, which is funded by pyschiatrists, yes the same psychiatrists that started the Holocaust. These same psychiatrists that are commanded to hinder mankind's spiritual development by the 4th and 5th Marcab Fleets from a distant star system who are still mad at our body thetans for rebelling against the supreme ruler of the galaxy Lord Xenu!
You cannot believe Anonymous, I think I have made that point clear with the Anonymous = Pyschiatry = Holocaust = Splace Aliens example.
Don't believe the internet, or the news stations, or the newspapers, or your friends, or your police, or your psychiatrist, or your government. They all lie about Scientology. Only listen to us, no one else. Anyone not CoS lies
LOL lets get this straight some guy named lou who seems like he he got raped by a family friend is calling me sheep.... lol keep buying that crap and when you are on your death bed you'll cry out for god like we all do.......
Aww Lou, I'm in my mid 30s but I love that you think I look like a teenager when I'm trolling you. Flattery will get you everywhere, but you're a Scientologist so you're no stranger to telling telling "acceptable truths" to get something you want. That's why we love you so...
PS - Who worships Abraham? That's news to me...sure, he's a patriarch, but he's not G-d...he wasn't even Jewish. Were you thinking Moses? No...he's not worshiped by anyone either, he delivered the Laws but he didn't originate them. Nice try, but you flunk.
Also, Lou? Cool story about the ECT treatment done against your will...but that's generally not that sort of thing happens (informed consent, etc). Maybe you're leaving out some important details, being involuntarily committed, perhaps, but you said you sought psychiatric help of your own free will. That makes your story sound like it was written by CCHR propagandists.
And if you HAVE been that drugged and had ECT, wouldn't that make you an "illegal pre-clear" where Scientology is concerned? how is it then that you've become a "veteran" of Scn?
Since the religious imagery of Scientology is displayed in this photo so ostentatiously, an explanation of Scientology's use of the cross is in order.
When Scientology moved from being a self-help scam, to a fraudulent "religion," to avoid paying taxes, they co-opted the Christian symbol of the cross so they'd seem Church-like, familiar, and not alarm people.
A more appropriate symbol Scientology should have used, reflecting their mission, would be the dollar sign.
If you pay a few hundred thousand dollars into $cientology, you get to learn Hubbard's revelation that Christ and other religious figures are implants, meant to deceive people from the one great babbling truth of L. Ron Hubbard, sci fi writer.
So, since their cross has nothing to do with Christianity, what do they say it means?
"The horizontal bar represents the material universe and the vertical, the spirit." Wow, that is profound.
So, I suppose the woman with the ugly growth on her face represents the fact she spent all her money on Scientology and can't afford to have that removed?
In the portrait of Hubbard, he's being reflective about all the people he's scammed, and all philosophy and science he's pretended to know. He's got his little half smile of "knowingness" because he still can hardly believe that a small percentage of the population actually falls for this scam.
The gilt-edge book on the lectern is not a Bible, but instead is full of Hubbard gibberish, things he ripped off from other religions. Because he ripped them off, they are considered "sacred," same as the top secret crazy stuff about Xenu, DC8 airplanes and volcanoes 75 million years ago.
When there is something in Scientology that sounds nice, for example, "do not steal," well, it isn't hard for anyone except the hopelessly brainwashed to figure out where he got that one.
Nearly everything in Scientology that is presented to the public, is meant to deceive. Scientologists aren't even happier than average. They plaster on the happy face to new comers though, as part of their love-bomb sales pitch. They bomb new comers with love, to squeeze maximum dollars out of them. That's probably the only aspect of Scientology that is at all scientific. They've got manipulation of vulnerable people down to a science.
Keep in mind, Scientologist employees are rewarded for keeping their "stats" up. (They can be punished when they are down.) Stats often mean getting "raw meat" (the real term Hubbard used for potential Scientologists) through the door and hooked on the pyramid scheme.
If they removed the TAX EXEMPT status to ANY organization that calls themselves a religion...there would be tens of thousands of "FOR RENT" signs on buildings throughout this country.Could you just imagine the Billions of dollars we could collect in taxes from groups not individuals...WOW
if the mormon church can actively protest a law regarding gay marriage, they should be taxed.
if you want to massage the laws of this country, then you need to pay into the taxes of this country.
Expect more "holes in the desert."
Scientologist are okay. MORMONS are consumed with hate and politics of division. Where is the story on those ugly people?
For anyone who wants a quick primer on Scientology's beliefs, here is a short explanation: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1529878/so...
It is pointless to argue about religion. It is based on belief. Definition of belief - a principle, etc., accepted as true, often without proof.
Let's have an intelligent debate / discussion. Organized religion as whole will have history of helping the needy, doing good for all mankind, and peace on earth. But from time to time you will find negative news about murder, abuse, rape, etc. within in any church organization. The older the religion and organization of the church, the more you will find. In regards to the Church of Scientology, it seems to be a hot topic among media and bloggers. You will find some allegations against the church and since it is not a traditional American Christian religion you will probably see people that are against the religion.
Quite honestly the American culture is built on Christianity and the belief of one God. This is why you see the words "In God We Trust" on the American Dollar. Though Christianity is not the oldest religion in the world, and until recently (Last 1000 years) it became the largest religion practiced by many people within the world. That is not to say that it will lose it position as the number 1 religion practiced by mankind. At one point Islamic Faith was the number 1 religion practiced, and before that Hinduism, and so on.
In all you either believe in a religion or you do not. Once again the definition of belief - a principle, etc., accepted as true, often without proof.
All other arguments made are just opinions.
Who is arguing about religion. We are writing about Scientology here.
Scientologists would love to change the discussion of their institutionalized abuses to an issue of "religion."
Scientology isn't a religion. It is a sci-fi self-help hypno-scam cult, created by a college dropout sci fi writer/liar, with religion pasted on for disguise.
You don't even have the concept of faith in your religion, because brainwashed loons "know."
Scientology has institutionalized abuse in policy. They consider themselves to be above the law (because they will be the law one day, according to Hubbard) and their attempted penetration into education, government, business and people's money is reprehensible and often covert.
They are an insidious cult, and people need to be wary of them. That is all.
Scientologists are incapabe of reading ("study-tech" at work), so I will repeat myself for their benefit:
In the United States, between 1950 and 1969 it was a tax-paying business. Hubbard used the "religious angle" and "Religious Cloaking" to evade prosecution from the FDA for his quack use of the "Skin Galvan-ometer," a.k.a. the "E-Meter."
"All Orgs are now Churches" and "Stationary is to reflect fact than orgs are churches" and "All public literature must state that Scn is religious" It also states "This may or may not be publicly acceptable. This is NOT the point. It is a requisite defense."
-Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, issued 12 February 1969 , on page 119 of the 1969 version of Volume 6 of the Hubbard Organization Executive Course
This isn't ME saying Scientology isn't a religion, this is Hubbard, IN HIS OWN WORDS that the whole "religion" thing is a "requisite defense", a figleaf, against the FDA and IRS.
If that dosen't make it clear enough, there's always this:
"[Scientology] is not a psycho-therapy nor a religion."
-L Ron Hubbard, page 254, The Creation of Human Ability (C) 1954 L Ron Hubbard
There is no "debate." Scientology is not, nor has it ever, been a "religion."
Hey great post nick, where is story on those Mormons, who seem tohate everybody. Where is the outrage on Glen Beck, a devout Mormon, and his outlandish white power insensitive statements ?? Where !!
"So we should just look away at the kids being abused and neglected in $cientology?
Nah, don't think so. I'll keep speaking out no matter who doesn't like it. Including you".
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Do whatever makes you happy dude!!! If this is what your entire life consists of, carry on!!
"Do whatever makes you happy dude!!! If this is what your entire life consists of, carry on!!"
Ah, Vegas...
"Perpetrators, collaborators, bystanders, victims: we can be clear about three of these categories. The bystander, however, is the fulcrum. If there are enough notable exceptions, then protest reaches a critical mass. We don't usually think of history as being shaped by silence, but, as English philosopher Edmund Burke said, 'The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing.'"
WHY CAN'T SCIENTOLOGISTS TALK WITH AN SP?
There is one fact Ronbots won't admit - it is that they are forbidden, restricted, and receive an ethics reprimand, if they talk with, associate with, communicate with any ex-scientologists that have exposed the cult for what it truly is -- a scam, fraud and a lie. They are also forbidden to read anti-cult info--their dream-world can only have one side of the truth. But they receive ethics points if they attack, beat-up, hit, harm, destroy or sue anyone that opposes the cult. They are only allowed communication online where there is NO interpersonal direct contact. When they do get near you--it is to ask you for your sins. Because to them only evil sinners oppose them.
If a Ronbot wants to help they will supply him with his own website, but he has a box placed on his computer that forbids him access to any anti-cult websites, and if he wants to look up some key-words or look up SPs like me, he is restricted and will be treated as a Potential Trouble Source-- "PTS".
Now as a "PTS" he is kept from his paid courses or auditing, but made to pay for more and then sent to ethics for lie detector tests. He progress up the bridge is stopped even when he was forced to pay for more courses/auditing, because he is now contaminated with the other side's truth. A Ronbot is only allowed to hear just the cult's teachings and can't be allowed to have a mind of his own.
Having no mind of his own, with no permission to speak to SPs like me, his brain-washing is intensified even more. He is trained to hate and destroy and even kill SPs. His insanity of hatred to his fellow man is colored by his training-- even his own parents, children, relatives and friends are treated as monsters and enemies if they speak bad about the cult. His is told to break away from them if he gets sick within 72 hours of being near them.
He is never told the truth about physiological reactions, he is never told that the mind has a circuit breaker that triggers a reaction to warn you to avoid stress or danger (ancient survival mechanism) and that even a saint can insult you and trigger a survival reaction. He is never told that it is not the person, but his own somatic physiological reactions that brings out a symptom from your body when you have either nutrition deficiencies, toxins, poisons or over acidity.
Just like the physiological reactions of misunderstood words brings out many reactions, so does the mind react under stress or danger. But the clue is in the hundreds of different symptoms triggered by stress. But he is made to think that it is the person that made him sick.
"So long as a physiological phenomenon remains the knowledge of a few and is denied to the many it can be utilized to control the many." LRH (from Journal of Scientology Issue 4-G from Oct. 1952)
The cult does not want you to know that ALL Scientology is based only upon physiological reactions and the law of cause and effect.
Ah, Vegas...
"Perpetrators, collaborators, bystanders, victims: we can be clear about three of these categories. The bystander, however, is the fulcrum. If there are enough notable exceptions, then protest reaches a critical mass. We don't usually think of history as being shaped by silence, but, as English philosopher Edmund Burke said, 'The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing.'"
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Then yes....he should something about it. Don't talk nonsense about what he may/may not know. So again, if talking nonsense about whatever is what his entire life consists of, then yes....carry on because it obviously makes him happy.
"Then yes....he should something about it. Don't talk nonsense about what he may/may not know. So again, if talking nonsense about whatever is what his entire life consists of, then yes....carry on because it obviously makes him happy."
Can someone please translate this? Preferably into to english.
"Can someone please translate this? Preferably into to english".
People in glass houses....
To quote someone from another blog..
"Religion is Free. Scientology is neither."
:-)
"MAKE MONEY. MAKE MORE MONEY. MAKE OTHER PEOPLE PRODUCE SO AS TO MAKE MORE MONEY."
- L. Ron Hubbard
Hubbard Communications Office
Policy Letter,
9 March 1972,
MS OEC 384
As for Anonymous posting many comments here about Scientology, these folks are cowardly masked (won't show their faces to the public) PAID HATERS. It would be interesting to learn who finances THEM. Scientology has exposed many evils in society intended to harm people and gets attacked because of it. Scientology works for the public good, check out their many community anti-drug, anti-crime and humanitarian activities and you'll see.
There's a concept in Scientology people should know about called the "Merchant of Chaos". The article below explains it. There's more info on Scientology's humanitarian activities and beliefs at www.scientology.org. You'll find Scientologists are real people like yourself, bright and friendly.
THE TRUE STORY OF SCIENTOLOGY
www.truestoryofscientology.com
I took Scientology in the 1970's too, and in my circle are Scientologists who have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on courses.
One is promised control over Matter, Energy, Space and Time. Sounds like a super-wizard, does it not?
It is a very expensive lie. If anyone had such super-powers, they could ZIP-ZIP! and the landscaping would be done, and filled with fools paying hard earned money to take classes.
This is a CULT.
I have also throughly studied the workings of this "church" during the past 35 years.
There are a few very important points:
1) They do not worship. They do not teach of God.
2) The cross is a deceptive logo.
3) They believe that all religions - except theirs - is a lie.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu
4) The person who wrote all of their belief system was a madman who tortured his wives - a polygamist, and worse:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Ron_Hubb...
4) People who do not follow their way should be killed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R2-45
Scientologists will say a few scripted things:
- Don't look on the internet, come IN to a scientology building to learn about it. Said the spider to the fly.
- Those who protest are hiding something! See why:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(...)
- It will cost you over $3000,000.00 to take all the courses. Why is THIS CALLED A CHURCH?
Tax Exemption. Google scientology tax exemption and notice 25,000 pages on it. This is not a fancy celebrity church, it is a cult.
Google "scientology" with any of the words following:
Death
Torture
Child Labor
Fair Game
Xenu
Is this what you want in YOUR community? I'd hope not.
Research. Learn. Do something about it.
Thank you.
I'd like to address the misinformation from Keith14.
Anonymous protesters, whom I have also researched, are not paid.
They are comprised of ex-staff members of scientology, ex-clients, moms, dads, grandma and grandpa - everyday people who know what a dangerous cult this is.
TIME magazine called them the CULT OF GREED AND POWER.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/articl...
Learn about anonymous protesting in your area by Googling: anonymous protest (and the name of your town).
Or, just research it, and make a sign! That's what protesters have done since the beginning of opposing societal problems.
One of the crazy lies that their leader tells them is that drug companies PAY you to protest.
In these hard times that might be a nice thought, but of course, it is another lie.
Here's the amazing truth behind that lie:
THEIR FOUNDER TEACHES - FOR A FEE - THAT 75 MILLION YEARS AGO, PSYCHIATRISTS HELPED LORD XENU BY KILLING BILLIONS OF ALIENS ON EARTH, AND ARE THE CAUSE OF ALL OF HUMANITIES PROBLEMS.
So, the war against the medical profession must be replaced by -- that's right, scientology.
As you see, the madness runs quire deep with this cult.
In closing, I wish to point out their mission is to GET EVERY SINGLE HUMAN ON EARTH to take courses; to get certified as "clear".
If you were wondering what they mean by "humanitarian effort", this veiled use of words means exactly that.
They want to help YOU - by becoming one of THEM. Frightening thought, world domination.
Who would believe such madness? An indoctrinated cult member.
If you want to make the world a better place, help scientologists get out of the cult. They need your help.
Thank you.