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Thousands, including several protesters, attend afternoon Henderson rally
Heather Cory
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican nominee for vice president, rallied thousands of fans at the Henderson Pavilion on Tuesday.
Published Tuesday, Oct. 21, 2008 | 1:23 p.m.
Updated Tuesday, Oct. 21, 2008 | 5:01 p.m.
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By the time Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin strode onto the stage at the Henderson Pavilion today, her crunch-time strategy for Nevada was obvious.
Backed by a panel that included prominent members of the National Organization for Women, female members of the Democratic National Platform Committee and the editor-in-chief of a women’s magazine, it was clear — Palin was after the women’s vote, which she said is still up in the air.
“Our opponents think they have the women’s vote all locked up, which is a little presumptuous, because only our side has a woman on the ticket,” Palin said.
And, with the election two weeks away, she appealed to the crowd to vote for the Republican ticket.
"Nevada, from now until voting day, which is coming so soon, you will hear our opponents go on and on about how they will fight for you," Palin said. Palin continued her ongoing slogan that only one man in the campaign has fought for the country and that man is John McCain.
Palin received a rock star’s welcome from the crowd, which Henderson Parks and Recreation officials estimated to be more than 7,000, particularly when she brought Lee Greenwood on the stage to sing the national anthem and “God Bless the U.S.A.”
The crowd loved her, though she gave a notably softer speech than in recent weeks, with fewer direct attacks on Democratic nominee Sen. Barack Obama. There was no mention of associations and just a passing mention of him being a socialist.
However, Palin did fire a few rounds at Obama, accusing him of underpaying the female members of his Senate staff and slighting former opponent Hillary Clinton in his vice presidential selection process.
“The working women of this country, those who work inside the home as well as those who work outside of it, have been overlooked by our politicians, and Barack Obama hasn’t given us any reason to believe that he would change that,” Palin said.
The Obama campaign quickly refuted the charges, issuing a response from Obama campaign adviser Anita Dunn saying the study Palin cited regarding Obama’s Senate payrolls was incomplete and that the campaign has a number of high-ranking women.
“Senator Obama has fought for equal pay for an equal day’s work, while Senator McCain has suggested that women don’t get equal pay because they need more education and training,” Dunn said. “While Senator Obama has proposed a plan to help working women, the McCain-Palin campaign offers just more negative attacks and distortions.”
In the remainder of her speech, Palin promoted McCain’s plan to achieve energy independence through a combination of investing in domestic production of coal, natural gas and oil, as well as promoting renewable sources like solar, wind and biomass.
“John and I will adopt an all-of-the-above approach,” she said. “We must do this. We have 30 years of failed energy policy that has not moved us toward energy independence.”
In addition to being an advocate for women’s rights worldwide, Palin pledged that, if elected, she would be an advocate for families with special needs children.
“John and I have a vision of an America where every innocent life counts and every child has a chance,” she said. “And that is the spirit that I hope to bring to Washington, D.C.”
Palin’s speech resonated strongly with the women in the audience.
“I was surprised that her message was more about women today, but I thought it was great,” said Henderson resident Ruthie Fox. “I think women should feel empowered by her.”
When Palin mentioned the debt of gratitude women owed to the female reformers who came before them, Sun City Anthem residents Veronica Westurn and Donna Lakers said they felt Palin was talking to them.
“We are the women that (Palin) talked about, that laid the groundwork,” Westurn said. “It’s wonderful to be able to see this. We never could have dreamed that dream when we were that age, but it’s wonderful that she can.”
Before the Palin event, a long line snaked from the Henderson Pavilion out to Green Valley Parkway. Once inside, the crowd filled the 2,400 seats and spilled over onto the lawn.
Jon Ralston, a Sun political columnist at the event, wrote to those on his e-mail newsletter list that the crowd was raucus, with Obama-bashing going on. He wrote that some protesters were calling Obama a terrorist.
Republican Rep. Jon Porter, state Sen. Bob Beers and Clark County Commission candidate Brian Scroggins warmed up the crowd, with state Sen. Bob Beers imploring people to volunteer.
Across the street at the Paseo Verde Library, Democrats were trying to stage a rally to get people to vote early and to protest what the Democrats are saying is a campaign to suppress voting.
However, the parking lot to the Democratic rally was jammed with cars trying to get to the Palin rally. So the Democrats are going to delay their own rally until more people arrive.
In Reno earlier today, Palin went on the attack against Barack Obama, saying the Democratic presidential candidate would "redistribute wealth." She also said the Democratic ticket is unprepared for an international crisis.
- Sun writers J. Patrick Coolican, Amanda Finnegan and Dave Toplikar contributed to this story.
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Kidnapping in Las Vegas. Drug Lords delivering severed heads of kidnap victims to police departments across the border from El Paso. Why can't we agree to secure our border and stop the gangs from operating here?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,4420...
They are even more dangerous than a group of Palin supporters allowed to carry their guns.
Russia and Iran are now forming a natural gas Cartel to control energy from Europe to Asia. Obama wont drill, Pelosi wont drill and her puppet harry Reid does as he is told. Why do they want to destroy America while Russia flexes its power. Drill now.
Russia, Iran and Qatar
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081021/ap_o...
What a candidate you have here...
"Gov. Sarah Palin charged the state for her children to travel with her, including to events where they were not invited, and later amended expense reports to specify that they were on official business."
http://www.dcexaminer.com/ap/?c=y&id...
More abuse of power? This woman needs to bow out or McCain has zero chance. She is clearly corrupt if, in her short time holding public office, she has been able to amass so many scandals. Tsk tsk tsk.
Thought I would move over here too so I can cookie cutter the stuff from other articles! Oh, this is a different subject? The same answer - it appears to us that McPain and Cain have no answers except abusive character attacks which have no basis in fact. Get with it and try to solve the problems and not blame!
Chief Executive, Issue Date: September/October 2008, Posted On: 10/8/2008
Debate Over, By ED Kopko
It is clear job-creating Business Leaders chose McCain over Obama largely because his policies are seen as pro-growth, whereas Obama's policies are viewed as redistributive and anti-growth.
http://www.chiefexecutive.net/ME2/dirmod...
For some months during this Presidential election year, Chief Executive has conducted specialized polling of CEOs' attitudes on issues affecting national policy and the economy. In CE's most recent poll in September, 751 respondents, more than double the usual number of business leaders, made their voices heard on their Presidential choice.
By a four-to-one margin CEOs support Senator John McCain over his rival, Senator Barack Obama. More to the point, a thundering 74 percent majority say they fear the consequences of an Obama presidency, compared to only 19 percent who fear a McCain presidency.
Please go to their website and read for yourself.
According to the Council of Citizens Against Government Waste (CCAGW) when it comes to cutting spending and voting to reduce taxes McCain's has a Lifetime Vote Rating of 88 percent compared to Sen. Obama's Lifetime Rating at 18 percent.
Also according to the CCAGW, Sen. McCain has never requested a single special-interest, pork-barrel earmark in his 25 years in Congress but, Sen. Obama has requested $740 million in earmarks in just three years.
Go to their website and read it for yourself
Created an account to respond to Johnevegas,
John it seems you don't know what you are talking about. If you look it up spending some time to validate your claim you will find that her travel log is far less than any governor before her. Also do you have any idea how hard it is to travel in Alaska. You mostly go by plane. Look, do the homework, and quit this petty silly stuff.
"Palin backs shipping Alaskan LNG to Japan"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081021/ap_o...
While we face an energy crisis, Gov. Palin sends Alaska's liquefied natural gas to Asia but not to the lower 48!
How patriotic and pro-America is that?
There is no pipeline to the lower 48 from Alaska. The democrats in Congress blocked it. There is NO natural gas depot for LPG on the entire west coast. California blocked it. One is being constructed in Tijuana now, 10 miles from the US border. It is a 4 billion dollar construction project with 3,000 jobs. But they are in Mexico, because we don't like things like that here. The LPG goes to Japan because its cheaper to bring other gas to the Gulf Coast than shipping around the oceans. Know your facts.
Our open border has now got 2 NYC cops gunned down in a subway station. A previously deported illegal ex felon got back in the country. And NYC and Obama want to give them drivers licenses. Wow.
Of course most CEO's prefer McCain. They are in the top 1% of income earners and don't want to lose their golden parachutes while the rest of us starve.
Trickle Down Economics works when cash actually trickles down. Republicans & McCain aren't interested in letting anyone else in on the paper trail. Palin is just following suit with the modern-day Republican ideology of implementing our return to the Agarian age of royals and peasants.
Yes, vote for McCain so he can keep stealing from you and me like he helped his buddy Charles Keating do in the S&L scandal of the late 80s and early 90s.
Obama hasn't even dropped the hammer on this guy by publically metioning his involvement with this scandal while McCain continues his basis-less defamation strategy. That's desperation.
www.keatingeconomics.com
Yes vote for Obama who got a sweet heart deal with a corrupt buddy of his Resko who helped him buy a house he couldn't afford. Look, some politicans become corrupt because of greed after being elected to serve our country and now where are we headed.
Dear neiman1,
"Being constructed"?
Sempra Energy's Energia Costa Azul LNG receiving terminal in Baja has been in operation since April 2008.
Do you know where its LNG (not LPG...what's the LPG?) cargo shipment is coming from? Indonesia.
Its markets include California, Arizona & Texas in addition to Mexico. Yet, Alaska's Governor wants ship her state's LNG to Asia. No pipeline is required from Alaska to Baja. LNG can be shipped as a cargo from Alaska to Baja (just like Alaska ships LNG to Asia).
Also, Energia Costa Azul is located at a coast between Rosarito and Ensenada, not in Tijuana. Know your facts.
I love how Palin also charged rape victims for the police to do a rape kit on them. Since when do we the people have to pay the police to collect evidence directly? The whole affair was so repugnant that the Alaska state legislature banned the practice.
Not to mention she has the double standard of wanting to take away rape and incest victims right to a choice, but conveniently she'll let her daughter have that choice.
That and according to her humans coexisted with dinosaurs and the earth is 6500 years old.
delacarpa, could that be due to the fact that she's been in office two years versus how many against which she's being compared?
So glad you bothered to register just to post that.
delacarpa, how many people did that so-called deal affect versus the S&L scandal?
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Maybe you shouldn't have bothered to register.
Palin is a hypocrite and she uses her sexuality to get votes. If Palin really cared about women she would allow them to decide what is best for their bodies. I am shocked that NOW would have anything to do with her and her stupid Pro-life obsession. Just because she decided to keep her baby does not mean that other women have the same opportunities. Poor women can not afford to have children they do not want just because they have their choices removed. We will not see less abortions in the future if Palin is elected, instead we will see a return to back-alley abortions and women stuck in desparate situations.
Palin needs to go home - at her own expense - and take care of her family. Maybe if she wasn't so wrapped up in politics her 17yr old daughter wouldn't be hanging out with a potential high school drop-out and maybe the kid wouldn't even be pregnant. That's the problem with the society today - everyone wants to work and be a 'big shot' - as if motherhood was just an afterthought. Things were truly better in the 50's/60's when kids had direction and consequences to face - no wonder these kids today have no respect or fear -
Oh, yes. Sara Palin is going to defend women. Except when and where it counts.
This is my body and no one has the right to tell me what I can or can't do with it.
I'd like to see how a man would react if the government decided that he must not use contraceptives, and could never have a vasectomy.
Yep, you just go ahead and believe what St. Sarah is telling you. She is going to protect your rights. To work, to bear children and to be chattel to your husband.
Remember, she is a fundamental Christian. That means women are inferior to their husbands and must OBEY them.
What a load of crap. Thinking woman can see through her lies.
Palin's $150 thousand dollar RNC-financed clothing spree at Neiman Marcus, Bloomingdales and others confirmed she is no 'hockey-mom', but a phony, made-up image. The RNC claims the clothing is be donated to charity after the election. Really? Can't wait for that $2,000 outfit to show up at Goodwill. Go back to Alaska and field dress another moose; that appears to be her real talent. We're concerned with this country's economy melt-down, not more false accusations against an opponent zooming ahead to victory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaxHvK8-u...
Dear dbltrbl,
If she can do something right, she can auction these ultra expensive designer clothing on eBay--she seems to like eBay so much--and donate gross proceeds (No, please do not deduced any fees or expenses!) to help rape victims.
"RNC shells out $150K for Palin fashion"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/2008102...
"Oh, yes. Sara Palin is going to defend women. Except when and where it counts."
xxxx
"This is my body and no one has the right to tell me what I can or can't do with it."
Yet, "you" wouldn't mind slaughtering innocent life, would "you"?? A fetus, acc to "you", an unwanted inconvienence, just kill it? Murderer!
Don't want unwanted preganacy, have him slap on a condom. Take apill. Take responsibility. There are no unpreventable "mistakes" in this regard.
xxxx
"I'd like to see how a man would react if the government decided that he must not use contraceptives, and could never have a vasectomy."
This doesn't happen with anyone, thus your statement is simple delusionally-liberal political propaganda.
xxxx
Yep, you just go ahead and believe what St. Sarah is telling you. She is going to protect your rights. To work, to bear children and to be chattel to your husband."
I love reading liberal political vitriolic attacks against someone who has achieved much more than you have - despite (she has said having a family is an honor) the burdens of all these children and her "dude", who she loves and actually has the greater career than. You penalize the woman who - both sides of it - who has the greater AND lesser work presences.
xxx
"Remember, she is a fundamental Christian. That means women are inferior to their husbands and must OBEY them."
Your religious discrimination is both political delusion AND fundaMENTALly retarded, but in line with modern liberal political dogma. Being a "fundamental Christian" MEANS NO SUCH THING. Honoring one's spouse (works both ways) is a major part of what makes marriage work.
xxxx
"What a load of crap. Thinking woman can see through her lies."
The "load of crap" is YOU! Murderer of innocent life, political delusional and liberal anti-conservative-woman goose-stepper = thank you for exposing yourself and the opinion that only a LIBERAL woman has any place expressing herself in today's society.
A "thinking woman" such as yourself is a disgrace to those who actually ARE!
So you are OK with making rape/incest victims be forced to keep those "unpreventable 'mistakes'"? Because I'm sure the men who forced those women into pregnancy will really help them out.
Also what about making rape victims pay the polilce for their rape kits? Police need to be paid per diem to collect evidence?
And she thinks the earth is 6500 years old. Yeah I really want her with the launch codes.
Lay off the women Makz. It is their body, and we shouldn't be telling them what they can't do with it. Or do you honestly think if the government bans it, it will really go away?
redferret you are right on the money. While I don't espouse abortion I do think it's the woman's right to choose as long as she doesn't wait till such time that the fetus could possibly be viable on it's own accord. Some simply do not believe that life begins at conception and it's there right to believe that if they choose to. Why is the government even making an issue out of abortion when the issue itself was resolved years ago - I'll tell you why - they use these 'non-issues' as a smoke screen to try to divert our attention away from the REAL current issues at hand - and they insult the intelligence of the American people by believing we can't see thru the smoke screen they throw in front of us. There are some very important issues that need to be addressed and I don't think abortion or telling businesses what they can/can't allow (ie:smoking) should be counted among the really important issues that need to be addressed. The government needs to get its' nose out of peoples private lives - stop trying to run private businesses and stop trying to force their religious morals down everyone elses throats.
"So you are OK with making rape/incest victims be forced to keep those "unpreventable 'mistakes'"?"
No, once again, your suppositions are wrong. I have always been accepting of rape/incest/crime exceptions.
xxxx
"Because I'm sure the men who forced those women into pregnancy will really help them out."
No, again - those men/rapists should be in prison.
xxx
Also what about making rape victims pay the polilce for their rape kits?
Prove a rape victim herself in Wassila was ever charged for a "kit"!!
"Indeed, no one can find any evidence that any victim was ever charged. See the conclusion of the following article, which provides additional facts proving this be a lie:"
"In preparation to attend a hearing and support the bill, one of the state's top law-enforcement officials FOUND NO CASE OF A RAPE VICTIM EVER BEING CHARGED(my caps). And roughly a month after 30 Democratic lawyers, investigators, and opposition researchers, not to mention reporters from every major news agency in the country,landed in Alaska, we still have no instances to consider."
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Did_rape_victi...
It's SO nice to totally debunk this lie that "Sarah Palin charged rape victims for their rape kits"(mq). Has there been a woman from Wassilla (during Palin's term as mayor)who WAS "charged" - as she would be a lib-media sensation.
xxxx
"Yeah I really want her with the launch codes."
Barry wants to invade Pakistan. THAT's a larger threat to America from a guy "with launch codes". Even a 4-5 year old would understand that, why don't you?
xxxx
"Lay off the women Makz. It is their body, and we shouldn't be telling them what they can't do with it. Or do you honestly think if the government bans it, it will really go away?"
Roe vs Wade is not LAW, but a Supreme Court decision in '73 (ims). The Constitutionally proper thing is to repeal RvW and send it to where it belongs - the "individual states". Your "government banning abortion"(mq) thought is a childish and legally irrelevant argument.
Name the LAW / LAWS passed by the Congress and signed by the POTUS (Nixon, in '73) which allows abortion. Thought so!
The majority of American do NOT want unrestricted abortion rights in America. It is liberal dogma, once again, standing in the way of "The People".
"Regardless of whether they describe themselves as pro-life or pro-choice, overall, 84 percent of Americans believe that abortion ought to be significantly restricted," Anderson said. "This data makes clear that labels like 'pro-choice' are obsolete if our intention is to accurately assess the views of the American public."
http://nhregister.com/articles/2008/10/1...
This is just one of many examples of polling data which puts unfettered abortion "rights" again, in the wrong.
Ya, she'll get my vote - as soon as I can afford a 150,000 shopping spree...........don't hold your breath Sarah.
Ya, Barry'll get my vote - as soon as I can afford a 620,000,000.00 shopping spree...........don't hold your breath Barry.
"Also do you have any idea how hard it is to travel in Alaska. You mostly go by plane."
Really? Whereas other politicians elsewhere drive??? So the addition of a couple flying hours makes it a hardship? I'm sorry, this is a really weak point. I completely disagree that she has ANY justification at all.
"Look, do the homework, and quit this petty silly stuff."
Good advice for you. I'm a pilot. I know exactly where Alaska is and what it takes to fly there. Your point is utterly lame.
I have been able to do some travel with my wife on her company's jet, as well as being reimbursed for travel with her on airlines. This is over the last 16 years. Travel approved = travel paid for. Simple.
This is not uncommon, in my experience, at all.
Sorry but there are more than enough stories that document this. Here's a few about those rape kits. And by the way, Palin is in favor of taking away a rape/incest victims right to say no to rape babies.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/21/p...
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...
The above does support the idea that no one was ever really charge, but it still shows that the POLICY was there. It was a stupid policy she should have shut down. The fact she didn't oppose it is repugnant, especially because she's a woman.
And my argument that a ban would be worse IS relevant. If you ban abortion completely, people will go to another country to get one (taking money out of the US). People will still get them in dangerous back alley procedures more than likely operated by some sort of organized crime group (ie Mafia during prohibition). That is a stupid policy.
Personally I'm not for unfettered abortion. By month 6 if you now decide that you don't want the baby, start finding adoption agencies. However, it is a genie out of the bottle that can't be put back in. We should find ways to reduce abortions, ie make contraceptives more available and be more upfront in sex ed in high school. We shouldn't be reducing contraceptives (as many conservative republicans want to do), and we shouldn't be teaching abstinence only, which is akin to putting your head in the sand.
Teen sex should be equated to teen drinking. We don't want you to do it. We'll be disappointed if you do it. But if you are going to do it, do so safely. In regards to sex, wrap it up. In regards to drinking, stay home and for heaven's sake do not get into a car.
"The above does support the idea that no one was ever really charge, but it still shows that the POLICY was there. It was a stupid policy she should have shut down."
Thank you for admitting that no one was "charged by Sarah Palin for their rape kits". there werre THREE "reported" rape allegations during Palin's time in Wassila. NO victim was charged, FACT!
THAT was YOUR point, now turned to dust; all else is childish stomping-of-feet and (say, about 4-5 years old) whining.
Your comments on Abortion and its "banning"(mq) have been more than rebutted and debunked. Trying to "move the goalposts" is just another swamping of your POV for me. Run, Farret, run.
Roe V Wade not "the law"; another point scored.
84% do not agree with you on Abortion. It is just liberal dogma denying the "will of the People"(mq), once again.
xxx
"And my argument that a ban would be worse IS relevant. IF YOU BAN ABORTION COMPLETELY(my caps), people will go to another country to get one (taking money out of the US). People will still get them in dangerous back alley procedures more than likely operated by some sort of organized crime group (ie Mafia during prohibition). That is a stupid policy."
No, yours is a stupid argument in every legal or political instance. Now, of course, debunked!!!!!
xxx
"taking money out of the US"??????
Are you saying abortion is now a balance-of-trade issue??? Gawd!!!! Will it weaken further the dollar vs the currency of the countries supporting abortion??? GEEZ, "ferret"???
xxx
"Teen sex should be equated to teen drinking. We don't want you to do it. We'll be disappointed if you do it. But if you are going to do it, do so safely."
This has been the attitude and actioning of Sarah Palin, as I have read and seen it, regarding her 17-yr-old daughter.
xxx
Abstinence IS the only guarenteed way to prevent unwanted pregnancies. All else is a "shot in the dark"(mq), so to speak..
Then keep sticking your head in the sand on abstinence. Stupid idea.
And you still have no answer for her permitting that law on the books. All you can do is gloss over it.
And that wasn't the actioning of Palin. It was be abstinent... oh your pregnant, well it's your choice, er option. She's pro-choice for her family but not for the rest of us. She's a hypocrite, and you are an apologist with no apologies for that type of thinking and action. You just ran around in circles over it.
And you only say stuff is debunked, and never debunk it.
To quote Too Wong Foo, all your princess points have been revoked.
Sex education has worked so well.
Once it was instituted in the 1970's and constantly updated it immediately stop all teenage pregnancies and STD's dead in their tracks.
It worked so well that there is no longer any problems to solve.
Today, compared to 1950's teenage pregnancies are zero and STD's among teens are unheard of.
I love the smell of politically flailing "ferret" in the morning, LOL!!!
I have proven my case, submitted by YOU as some kind of rambling lib-dogmatic certainty, with little to no real resistance from you. Internal grumbling by you is your issue.
It's time for you to fly into denial and rhetorical flailing for relevence now, as this has always worked out.
Yeah and abstinence works so well there were no pregnancies before the 70s. Also Nance the rightwing bot, pregnancies and STDs have been dramatically on the rise since Bush's abstinence push. Smooth. Give them comprehensive sex ed. Tell them abstinence is best, but if a situation does occur, wrap it up.
Makz you have no argument, just attacks and smug self aggrandizement. No one else even righties say well I win you lose. You never put forth any ideas. You just scream via keyboard at other people and declare yourself a winner. You are probably the most immature, chauvinistic, uber right winger ever. I like seeing you scream how you are winning and watching McCain's numbers slide. I'll be drinking a few fingers of Jack Daniels 1981 for you on Nov 4th. Have fun now, by 1/21/09 a new page will turn with Obama in the White House.
"Makz you have no argument, just attacks and smug self aggrandizement. No one else even righties say well I win you lose. You never put forth any ideas. You just scream via keyboard at other people and declare yourself a winner. You are probably the most immature, chauvinistic, uber right winger ever."
xxx
"It's time for you to fly into denial and rhetorical flailing for relevence now, as this has always worked out.
Another point for me in your ongoing embarassments these last 4-5 weeks. Another day, another 'ferret" uber-lib-bombast crushed.
Gadfly!
Nope, you still didn't do away with the fact that Palin is against abortions for rape/incest victims (but not for her family), and that she supported while mayor the law to make rape/incest victims pay for rape kits. Those two large issues you did nothing about, and you say you win? Funny and sad that you are that out of it. While much of America is not for on demand whenever abortion, they certainly don't agree with that position. So keep thinking you won, dungbeetle, but Obama will win in 13 days.
Is "dungbeetle" something a 4-5 year old would say??
I guess so.
Don't be a hater because you can't really argue much of anything without devolving into a flailing ferret?? Ask mommy how to be a better debater.
The taste of dust and defeat must really agree with you, lol.
Really, NVMakz is using a WIKIPAGE for source material?
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Oh, the humor on this site from the cluelessly naive... thanks NVMakz!
What NVMakz fails to tell you, though, is that we don't know how many victims were asked to pay for their kit and declined. The only "proof" the right-wingers around here cite is that no one was charged from 2000-2002 (via memo from the current mayor of Wasilla). That's fine and dandy, but it doesn't rule out the chance that a victim or two... or ten were asked to submit to a kit and informed of the cost, and that scared them away. Hence, no one was charged.
Also the police chief stated to the Frontiersman newspaper that "whenever possible we charge the insurance company". Basically implies that they were charging people. There's also that nasty little doctor patient confidentiality clause that makes accurate reporting of the extent of this travesty difficult.
And Makz I'm just returning what I got. Rather be a gadfly than a flailing self aggrandizing dungbeetle.
That's fine and dandy, but it doesn't rule out the chance that a victim or two... or ten were asked to submit to a kit and informed of the cost, and that scared them away. Hence, no one was charged."
xxxx
Enlighten me? How many? Source this; especially after months of being invaded by liberal sleuths, investigators and news media coming up with nothing - out of Alaska itself.
THIS would be a major lib-talking point all over the liberal media IF this was viable. But, this is the latest desperate opinion that one debate loser has in backing up another, isn't it?
Imagine the liberal wet-dreams from a (fictional) Headline:
"Sarah Palin forces ____ rape victims to drop charges due to having to pay for their rape kits"
I'll be waiting. HOW MANY??
A "chance"? More like conjecture of desperation and slanderous delusions.
Really, enlighten me? Source it, as your cred is tiny.
"Also the police chief stated to the Frontiersman newspaper that "whenever possible we charge the insurance company". Basically implies that they were charging people. There's also that nasty little doctor patient confidentiality clause that makes accurate reporting of the extent of this travesty difficult.'
Also, liberals have been crushed throughout in this thread...
How many people WERE NOT charged for rape kits?
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"There's also that nasty little doctor patient confidentiality clause that makes accurate reporting of the extent of this travesty difficult."
Patient-Doctor confidentiality clauses are "nasty"???
That's easily as pathetic as claiming that abortion could be a balance-of-trade issue (money leaving the US), LOL!
There's GOTTA be some Palin-hater in AK who would lie about this, THEN, hide behind patient - Doctor confidentiality clauses = just to have a two-day attack-piece against Palin??
There's just GOTTA be! Doesn't there?
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"Basically implies that they were charging people."
Still unproven and ferret-flailing, except in the court where conjecture and rumor against conservatives automatically means guilt - the "Liberal Court"?
The "court" exonerates Sarah Palin due to asisnine lib-legal non-argument and no eviDENSE presented by the liberal inquisitors.
And you have no evidence to rebut these claims so quit throwing stones in a glass house.
You haven't rebutted any of these arguments and just make asides of how horrible libs are.
Come up with evidence saying no one was charged.
And the bit about nasty doctor patient confidentiality was about the fact that it was nasty for you, because there's no way for us to look into it.
And yes, if we look at abortion as an industry, we would be sending that money for an American job over to Canada, England, etc.
Keep on flailing yourself dude, this will all be over in 13 days, and you can start crying yourself to sleep then. Don't worry, you'll have another shot in 4 years.
"Come up with evidence saying no one was charged."
Link at 9:13am today. Done!
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"And the bit about nasty doctor patient confidentiality was about the fact that it was nasty for you, because there's no way for us to look into it."
No, it is a win for me. Nasty for you since you have no basis for the charge you make. This "nansy" Pat/Doc Confidentiality clauses MAY prevent YOU from movign forward. Of course, I mopped you up on this at 11:26am. Need a binkie??
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"And yes, if we look at abortion as an industry, we would be sending that money for an American job over to Canada, England, etc." Some of the "individual states" would be "abortion States" in America. "The People" of each state would decide what they wanted. i'm having SO much fun today. Thanks for being my dupe!
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'And you have no evidence to rebut these claims so quit throwing stones in a glass house."
That's just your being-in-denial whispering with your lead-helmet. The "helmet" keeps the lib-delusions in and the truth out"(mq).
I have made 48 different salient argument points in this thread toward and against you - while covering all of your posts = well fried. There isn't anything you've posted which hasn't been swept away and/or debunked. Even the bogus, fictional flailing attempts.
You had one point the other day, but none today?
Must be off your game......
time for a nappie-poo now, after your Gerber's "lunch". Also, check your diaper, something smells bad on your "end".
Gotta go for now. You can cyber-stalk me again sometime later.
Oh, yeah:
"Crickets" from "99" as well. Make that 52 unanswered / unproven argument points from the liberal-delusional-slander side of it!
Your own link did not erase the claim, and you must have had a bad childhood if you think 4/5 year olds are still wearing diapers. Or I'm a very advanced baby to be mastering a computer and typing at a college grade level. In any case all you did again was ad hominem attacks and no real rebutting.
If all you have is name calling (like McCain), then the next 4 years will be tough. And this isn't cyberstalking you idiot. That would be if I spammed your email with this stuff. I don't, so why don't you learn some more spelling, and learn some more vocabulary, and then get back to me.
"unproven" - amend to "unrebutted" or "uncontested" - your choice.
And the simple fact is you still haven't rebutted that she had on the books a law to make people pay for rape kits. ZERO rebuttal to that, none. Also the whole nasty ban for rape/incest victims, NONE. Ditto the whole the earth is only 6500 years old and humans were around with dinosaurs, NONE. Keep on nit-picking on your end and not actually tackling the issues. McCain is losing.
The whole earth only 6500 years started as joke posted on the KailyKos.
Boy.....when you guys drink your koolaid you really gush it down.
"Really, enlighten me? Source it, as your cred is tiny."
HAHAHAHA! You sourced a WIKIPAGE! And MY cred is tiny?
You failed to show a SINGLE ACORN volunteer or employee who had been arrested or prosecuted this year after declaring that "tens of thousands" had broken the law, and MY cred is tiny?
LOLOLOLOL!
There wouldn't be statistics on rape victims who declined to prosecute their cases due to not wanting to pay for an exam. That's the point, and that's what you can't disprove.
But please, cite a WIKIPAGE again! LOL!
Not only is it wiki, it's wikiANSWERS. Just like 7/11, too much good stuff.
What's that? Crickets from NVMakz? Using his "bulletproof" logic, I declare that I earn 10 billion trillion points!
Yeah, ferret, apparently NVMakz thinks that you're awarded points if your opponent doesn't reply within his imaginary time-frame. Thus, we both earn 10 billion trillion points!
Enjoy!
We should make a wiki page that just says, "NVmakz is wrong." and cite it in every comment. It's irrefutable logic, apparently!
My god! Well the republican evil doers have corrupted this great nation with their compliant media outlets. They're strangling America. Ad hominem attack, ad hominem attack.
We win.
No response yet from Makz? Is there a bonus or something we can claim? 1UP? Is that how it's played?
Socialism (100 pts), Communism (100 pts), Alinsky (100 pts), Ayers (100 pts), South-side (100 pts), Black Liberation Theology (100 pts), Wright (100 pts), corroding (100 pts), baby murderer (100 pts), lead-helmet (100 pts), "it's Clinton's fault" (100,000 pts).
I mean, really, is it some underground right-wing game we don't know about? I haven't been listening to Rush lately, did I miss this?
Can someone shed some light on NVMakz's game and point system?
Don't forget the elusive amount of "points" he makes that somehow are always around the 40s area.
BTW you have 10 points made, 9 weren't refuted. This spanned 12 posts, and we're discussing Obama, so.... boop boop beep boop bop, you have the new high score of 56,187,412 points. good enough for a free play. Remember winners say no to drugs.
The idea that Palin should appeal to any woman with an education who knows the issues is an insult to women in general.
And this whole culture-war, hippies vs. squares, is getting tired.
People saying that the left wants communism/socialism is ridiculous. Saying Obama supports terrorism? Come on now. As if the two candidates are actually that different. Sure, maybe they voted different on this bill or that, but that is about it.
The only difference I see is in integrity. To me McCain has sold out to the Rove political machine which sunk him years ago. I wonder how his conscience is holding up. I bet if he had stayed true to himself, he would be the frontrunner in this race, pulling many moderate democrats to vote for him. But any independent with half a brain is going to have to vote Democrat this time around because of all the schlock that McCain has allowed to be thrown around in his name.
The right just seems to be trying to create a division in the country, which as history can vouch for, is dangerous.
So continue spouting the hate, I know you can't help it. Continue grasping to their talking points, nevermind there is no logic to back them up. And I don't mean links to the Fox news website.
Ferret, RedState, one of the premiere right-wing blogs, proves our point.
Let me quote from their site:
"NVMakz is wrong."
http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redstate...
I mean, even *I* can't argue with that kind of indisputable truth. It clearly says that on RedState. And it's not a liberal source, either!
Obviously, using NVMakz's brilliant and rock-solid source vetting (aka, "I found it on der interwebz! = it must be truth!"), who am I to argue with RedState?
LOLOL! Nice to see you again, thebs!
And yup, Redstate says it all!!!!!!
"The whole earth only 6500 years started as joke posted on the KailyKos."
This is a basic belief of Born Again Christians, which of course, would never be caught dead going any near KOS. Or the truth for that matter.
"Boy.....when you guys drink your koolaid you really gush it down."
I'm pretty sure that's your thing. With Beer though.
camaro: History doesn't "vouch" for anything. I wish I had the disposable time that all of you government worker types have to participate in these sophomoric rants.
BIG ENDORSEMENT FOR McCAIN/PALIN!
Al Qaeda Heard From
Joby Warrick and Karen DeYoung write in The Washington Post: "Al-Qaeda is watching the U.S. stock market's downward slide with something akin to jubilation, with its leaders hailing the financial crisis as a vindication of its strategy of crippling America's economy through endless, costly foreign wars against Islamist insurgents. . . .
"'Al-Qaeda will have to support McCain in the coming election,' said a commentary posted Monday on the extremist Web site al-Hesbah, which is closely linked to the terrorist group. It said the Arizona Republican would continue the 'failing march of his predecessor,' President Bush."
mikegino: Are you saying culture war doesn't breed violence? Creating an "Us vs. Them" mentality is helpful? Sometimes I think the extreme right wants to go back to the McCarthy-type witch-hunt days.
This whole "Pro-America" and "Anti-America" argument is nonsense. This country is founded on the belief that people can differ in opinions about issues but we make decisions through the democratic process. Saying that parts of this country are "Anti-American" is just plain ridiculous, and actually more anti-American than anything else I can think of.
I would say history has demonstrated how these things are not good for America pretty well. They just breed hatred and hatred leads to violence.
My point goes more to demonstrate why all my Republican friends are embarrassed at their party's decisions and obvious pandering.
And what would make you think I am a "government worker type". That couldn't be farther from the truth.
JohnVegas.....I think you have OD on koolaid.
Obama is a "Born Again" Christain and your hero, Jimmy Cartert, too.
So I guess you can infer that they also believe that the earth is only 6,500 years.
Here is where your "fact" is coming from http://unbearablebobness.typepad.com/my_...
Perhaps you need to go to the ER to treat your koolaid OD.
Welcome back, theBS.
"Obama is a "Born Again" Christain"
Good to finally hear you admit that he is not a Muslim.
"and your hero, Jimmy Cartert, too."
Jimmy Carter was impotent, like you. And neither one of you is my hero.
Your a lot like a boxer without any good punches. Kinda pathetic and easy to get to. You better go have another beer and come up with something new. That koolaid thing has run it's course here.
By the way, koolaid is not my drink. I like Penka Azul. FYI, you wont find that at your store. It's not beer.
camaro: History is written by those who prevail and interpreted by those who wish for a different outcome. I had the priviledge of participating in two of our country's military adventures during the last century, Vietnam and El Salavador. The former was a failure because it was misguided from the inception; however, we succeeded in the latter because we had learned some very useful lessons from the Vietnam experience. If Obama is elected, it will represent an over-correction of the past eight years and nothing more to the forces that really control our destiny.
So good to hear you bring it down to the intelligent discussion level.
And interesting to hear about your military service. I lost two family members to the Vietnam war.
With your comment about Vietnam being "misguided from the inception", I would think that you would be extremely furious with the war in Iraq and the Bush administration. I sincerely hope that you are not a supporter of that machine.
And I hope you aren't one of those people who spout the nonsense that those who oppose the war don't support our troops.
I personally don't think that McCain is as bad as Bush and the current administration, and I have no doubts that he has the country's best interest in his heart, but I really think he has been derailed by a very ignorant and evil political machine, most popularly associated with Karl Rove.
I really don't see how Obama is an "over-correction", I just think that the far-right has intentionally created such a cultural division in America, that the anyone who identifies as a Republican has been trained to think that Democrats are in some way commie hippy socialists. Its ridiculous.
And how can you as a veteran with so much history under your belt, support having someone like Palin chosen for VP?! I just can't see it. You must have your reasons...
JohnVegas: "Your a lot like a boxer without any good punches. Kinda pathetic and easy to get to"
And that is coming from a guy who is quoting a website that has in big letters "Fake Governor Sarah Palin Quotes".
And then he wants to be a religious bigot and say every Christain believes in the exact same way as he thinks that they believe. But he forgets that Obama, Clinton and Carter share that same faith.
I get it now. You were really describing yourself as pathetic and easy to get to.
"every Christain believes in the exact same way"
LOL! Never said it. You added your own material to that one. Like when you call Arabs and Muslims terrorists, as if they all are.
AND, you failed to address that you called Obama both a Christian and a Muslim. But this is probably the basis of your message to begin with. Ignore the issue and create a distraction. A typical rightie tactic. BORING!
You forgot your own words and then you make up stuff.
Where have I ever called Hussein a Muslim?
Here are your bigoted words painting every Christain (including Clinton, Obama and Carter) believing the exact same thing:
"The whole earth only 6500 years.....This is a basic belief of Born Again Christians"
Bill Ayers, 1960-70s Weather Underground bomber, admitted to12 bombings. From 1987 to 2002 served with Obama at The Woods Fund, Community Development Project, The Joyce Foundation, and The Annenberg Challenge.
Bernadine Dohrn, Ayers wife, leader of Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) participated in making a bomb that unexpectedly exploded and killed three SDS members.
Marilyn Katz, SDS leader, lives in Hyde Park Chicago and has held several fundraisers for Obama's early campaigns.
Michael Kolinsky, SDS leader, today still a hard-line maoist, wants communist govt. for U.S. he worked as chief blogger for Obama's Campaign.
Rev. Wright, preacher of hate filled anti-American and racist sermons. Obama's pastor for 20 years. Obama lied when he said " I never heard those type of sermons"
James Cone, author of Black Theology and Black Power, Obama claims him a mentor. Cone blames white people for everything. Read for yourself online excerpts from his book.
John and Richard Daley Political Machine controls who gets campaign money to run for public office, who gets a city job or promotion, who gets city construction and service contracts. Obama is part of this corrupt Political Machine.
Tony Rezko, Daley Political Machine contractor, slum lord, convicted felon, donated $60,000 to Obama's early campaigns, and then raised $150,000 from wealthy friends. After elected Obama used his influence to get Rezko city construction contracts worth millions.
Jim Johnson CEO of Fannie Mae from 1991-98 and Franklin Raines CEO of Fannie Mae 1999-2004 both inflated earnings and took millions in salary bonuses. Both of these men are at the heart of the sub-prime mortgage mess and both worked for Obama as advisors.
ACORN has submitted thousands of fake voter registration cards in 15 battleground states. According to Madeleine Talbot and Toni Foulkes Chicago ACORN leaders in the 1990s Obama recruited and trained workers for ACORN. ACORN receives federal money and is suppose to be non-partisan but is supporting Obama.
Obama his given ACORN $823,000 to steel this election. When is this going to be the lead story on TV news and on the front pages?