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Sen. Hillary Clinton campaigns Thursday in a largely Hispanic Las Vegas neighborhood represented by Assemblyman Ruben Kihuen, who is backing her.
By J. Patrick Coolican (contact) 
Friday, Jan. 11, 2008 | 2 a.m.
Just beneath the smiles and the hugs and the flash of cameras, Sen. Hillary Clinton played in-your-face politics in a visit to Las Vegas on Thursday.
A day after the 60,000-member Culinary Union endorsed Illinois Sen. Barack Obama for president, Clinton walked a northeast Las Vegas neighborhood heavy with Culinary workers and won the support of several.
Her campaign’s message: The endorsement means nothing and Culinary members should follow their conscience and not the order of union Secretary-Treasurer D. Taylor. It was a political kick in the shins to Obama and the union, all delivered with the New York senator’s trademark wide grin.
Asked about this shrewd maneuver, a Clinton aide merely laughed and claimed ignorance.
Culinary political director Pilar Weiss downplayed the significance of the wayward union members: “What would you do if a presidential candidate came to your door? If you had a presidential candidate and an elected official and the national press corps at your door, would you say you supported the candidate? Of course.”
Weiss continued: “We just made our endorsement yesterday, we’ve got plenty of time in the grand scheme of the caucus, and we think in the end our members will act like a union.”
It was another sign the campaign is reaching new levels of intensity here. With the Culinary endorsement, Obama grabbed a significant advantage, but Clinton showed Thursday she’s intent on winning here Jan. 19 to maintain her momentum following victory in Tuesday’s New Hampshire primary.
Obama arrives today for a rally at Del Sol High School. The doors open at 5 p.m. He will return Sunday and Monday. Before that event, he’ll solidify his support with the Culinary by accepting its endorsement at a union hall rally.
In Nevada, Obama is outspending Clinton $390,965 to $206,320 on TV ads.
But Thursday was a day of free media for Clinton, who was followed by a horde of cameras and notebook-bearing reporters as she walked with Assemblyman Ruben Kihuen through a Hispanic neighborhood in his district.
Clinton was making an appeal to Hispanic voters, who make up about 40 percent of Culinary membership. Obama and Clinton are fighting hard for Hispanic voters. Both have invested heavily in the effort, airing Spanish-language radio ads and hiring dozens of bilingual organizers between them.
Clinton’s walk through the neighborhood wasn’t exactly a spontaneous stroll. The homes Clinton visited were the same ones that Kihuen canvassed with a Sun reporter last month
Many of the neighborhood residents either weren’t citizens or weren’t registered.
Clinton must have been a bit baffled, for instance, when Kihuen took her to visit Esperanza Solorio, who’s not a citizen. Kihuen explained her importance: She is a community activist who can move voters.
Marhayra Bermudez, a Culinary member who works in the kitchen at Bally’s, said she’s ignoring the Obama endorsement and backing Clinton. Many of her co-workers are doing the same, she said.
Clinton stopped at the home of Gilberto and Elizabeth Santana and their two young children. Elizabeth Santana is a housekeeper at Harrah’s who cleans 16 rooms during every eight-hour shift. She’s supporting the family because her husband was injured on the job and can’t work.
Gilberto Santana asked Clinton about immigration and said he hoped more of his friends and family could work in the country legally.
Clinton explained her proposal to secure the border but provide a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, provided they pay a fine and back taxes, and try to learn English.
The event gave Clinton some pitch-perfect TV moments. Sitting on the Santana couch, looking concerned as Gilberto Santana explained the family’s financial difficulties, Clinton said, “If we don’t take care of our children, we don’t care of our future.” She was once on the board of directors for the Children’s Defense Fund.
And, Clinton managed to get some residents to sign caucus pledge cards. A caucus, which requires participants to show up at their precinct meeting at 11:30 a.m. on Jan. 19, requires the campaigns to produce committed supporters. The pledge cards allow the campaigns to count supporters, and people who sign them are 80 percent more likely to attend the caucus than those who don’t, according to data amassed during previous Iowa caucuses.
Clinton’s theme for the day, which she adroitly returned to repeatedly, was the economy and the foreclosure crisis that is causing significant hardship across the country, but especially in Las Vegas.
At a roundtable discussion at Lindo Michoacan, a popular Mexican restaurant, Clinton listened to the stories of local residents either hit by the crisis or trying to do something about it, and she laid out her agenda on the issue:
Clinton is calling for a 90-day moratorium on foreclosures and a five-year mortgage rate freeze, both dependent on the voluntary cooperation of lenders. In the past, she has said if the financial industry opposed her measures, she would consider legislation to make the steps mandatory including giving legal protection to lenders that fear being sued by investors for renegotiating mortgages.
Clinton supports a fund, estimated at $5 billion, to help existing state foreclosure programs.
Her chief opponents, Obama and former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards, have proposed similar policies to help those caught up in the crisis.
Clinton is in Los Angeles this morning making a speech on the economy and the need for an economic stimulus package. The message likely will resonate,because the national unemployment rate has reached 5 percent, and some economists think states such as Nevada are already in a recession. The economy appears to have gained ground and even equaled the war in Iraq as the issue most motivating Democratic voters.
We have to wonder, as she went door-to-door courting Hispanic voters, did she mention to any of them that it will "make a lot of sense" for them to have special immigrant ID cards (like she has publicly stated)? What a jumble of pandering and pretentiousness. Come on Nevada, the Clintons are about as authentic as a Twinkie is organic. They were phonies in the nineties, and even more so now that they are hardened Washington politicians. Maybe before the Nevada caucuses she will again cry over the prospect of losing and dupe the voters into a pity vote. Talk about a "fairy tale" (to quote Bill Clinton). Give me a break. I have faith that Nevada will be wiser than New Hampshire was.
Clinton has taken $567,950 from lobbyists. Obama has taken $76,859. Who do you think will stand with the unions, Clinton, beholden to corporations, or Obama, who has walked picket lines with union members?
Clinton walking through this neighborhood is another act of desperation. She probably should have cried again. Obama comes to NV on Friday and will rock the place, lifting people's spirits and inspiring them to vote. You're right, efranklin, the Clintons are phone, fake, people who are criminally-obsessed with their own power.
Immigration is not even a top priority for Clinton. She has not made any commitment on a timetable for this issue. I'm not just disappointed in Hillary.I'm disappointed in Ruben as well.
I think it's wonderful she has so much support out there. People should vote for who they want as President, not who Pilar Weiss tells them to vote for.
My family comes from Jimena de la Frontera, Spain and we are all rooting for Hillary here in Chicago and also in Espana. She will make an excellent woman President.
Viva Hillary!
Should Senator Clinton come to your house, please consider asking her the following questions:
1) Why did she speak in favor of the 2002 Iraq Levin Amendment, and then a few hours later vote against it?
Note: this amendment would have required another round of Iraq diplomacy in the U.N., and a return to Congress should that fail.
2) Why did she fail to read the 2002 Iraq National Intelligence Estimate?
If she tells you she was 'briefed', ask her by whom. She had no one on here staff with the security clearance to read it for her.
Note: it has been reported information in this document called into serious doubt evidence presented elsewhere that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.
Former Florida Senator Bob Graham read this report, and voted against the 2002 Iraq war authorization in part due to what he read in this report.
For more information see "Hillary’s War", dated May 29, 2007, on the New York Times website:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/29/magazi...
Thank you.
--George
You might also ask Senator Clinton why her campaign mailed a letter in New Hampshire criticizing his record in Illinois on a woman's right to choose, please.
What the letter pointed out was he voted "present" in some of the pro-choice/pro-life votes. What it doesn't explain is why, which is Illinois Planned Parenthood asked him to do so.
Furthermore, there are many valid reasons to vote "present" in the Illinois Senate. The Clinton campaign information did not give any of these reasons.
You might also ask her why her campaign is using smear tactics against Obama, grossly distorting his record using misleading information. I would expect to see this done by some Republicans, but never by one Democrat against another.
I'm very sorry to see this happen.
See: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/us/pol...
See:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/ob...
--George
Even if you dont like her, she probably has the political power/ability to get things done including immigration problems. Obama's heart is in the right place, so is Edwards' but I can't risk it. She knows how to fight Republicans on immigration and wages and we need her for that. Even if you dont like her.
As a bonus, we already know what skeletons are in her closet and none of them were bad enough to ruin her. Can't say the same yet of Edwards or Obama. They just haven't been subjected to the same Republican scrutiny that Clinton has - and she came out in tact.
The head of Obama's campaign in New Hampshire was a lobbyist from the Pharmaceutical companies - so don't act like he is a saint in this area. Read this article that broke last night on ABC about his illegal business dealings with a man named Tony Rezko who is being indicted for bribes. Obama is a slick politician, not the saint that the press has made him out to be.
I am ashamed to be part of a union that would back such a dishonest man.
Hillary Clinton has worked hard for the people of Nevada - she has gone to bat for us on Yucca Mtn and she has stood by for the working class, unions of America.
I am proud of what Kihuen is doing and I support him and Hillary Clinton.
The culinary union should be ashamed of itself. Obama has never even been to Nevada except for his own gain to run for President.
Jackie,
Perhaps there is a 'risk' with Clinton, too, one greater than with her opponents, and that is her high negatives with the American people.
A December episode of NBC's "Meet the Press" showed a poll which had Clinton's popularity at 42% positive, and 44% negative. Another major poll in 2007 had her at 50% negative.
For a major candidate to have a negative rating higher than positive is unheard of.
Plus, there is the matter of winning a general election, and not just Democratic primaries. A December Zogby poll showed Obama as the only candidate winning against all five likely Republican nominees. Edwards lost to two; Clinton, to three.
To the Democrats: you have lost two elections. Do you want to risk losing a third, in a year when it should be an easy win?
Please go with the nominee who is most likely to be supported by Independents and cross-over Republicans. Go with the nominee who is most likely to get support from the largest majority of the public, because only by having done so will we be able to overcome the special interests who have largely taken over Washington.
Obama'08
--George
To DonnaT:
The head of the NH Obama campaign was a state lobbiest, and not national -- big difference.
Clinton accepts money from national lobbiests, Edwards and Obama do not -- big difference.
As for the article "that broke" on ABC, did you come up with that characterization or did you see someone else call it that?
This is very old news which has been thoroughly investigated and discussed elsewhere. The only thing that "broke" is that this was the first time (at least according to some) it was discussed on ABC News.
You also characterize Obama's dealings as "illegal". Where did you come up with that notion, please? Nowhere have I ever seen any mention of anything done illegally.
This is very old news, folks. Here's a link to a Nov 5, 2006 (over a year ago) article on the subject posted on the Chicago Sun-Times website:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/12...
I caution all voters to carefully scrutinize what you hear about the candidates. A lot of 'mud' is going to be thrown in the few weeks.
What you can count on is my posts will be based on quality news sources, and I will include links so you can find out for yourself. I hope others will back up their comments the same way, please.
--George
As registered Independent woman I want a candidate with broad appeal. Hillary brings division and corruption to the table. This country needs inspiration, change and competence that is not the entrenched establishment. I also want someone who won't try to remove items from the White House when their term is finished. That's why I would never vote for Hillary.
I have watched, over the years, as this valley politically divided its latino culture. However, let me speak to the latinos. Apparently they didnt stay in their history classes and apparently many of their friends and family members did not either. Farm Workers Union! If it was not for this union forming for latinos back in the day, many latinos of the western US would be picking produce for 1$ an hour and would never be allowed to work construction at the fair wages they received during the last decades. Wake up politicos. Do your homework, check the history, the Obama organization goes authentically back to this country's original farm workers that rose to fight oppression and exclusion for latinos. As a direct result of the sacrifices those farm workers and organizers, many latino politicos have thus benefited. However, here we are, years later, and we have one candidate who has worked from the bottom up, walked the streets for children and unions, and continues to spread the message of unity and harmony as a people and a single country of united states. May I remind you latinos, Mexico has NEVER accomplished this which is the primary reason you came and live in the US . And now that you have come here and have made money and have supported your families, you finally decide to go against the unions? The very same unions who fought for your parents rights back in history? Are you locos? Tienen enfermas? Ruben, good luck with your career, you would be making chips and guacamole if it wasn't for Cesar Chavez and those farm workers. Not sure how you wake up in the morning and look at yourself. I sure hope the latinos dont forget that no matter how much they hang out with a white lady, it doesnt change their skin. Without education, the 'status quo' will always see you as an illegal "aliens" and the only way to earn respect is going to be by uniting against a familiar opponent, dressed in expensive clothes, selling the past 25 years as her resume for success and accomplishment, and promising exactly what to you as latinos? Mas del mismo!!! Por favor, hablan con sus abuelos. Ellos saben y recuerden el movemiento de Chavez. Donde esta su respeto para nos historia? Puro chips and guacamole, cual personas latinos lo usan comida cuando estan hablando para sus derechos? Locos, puros locos. Ya! Ya! Ya! No hay pedo. Cuando viene el 19, vamos a ver donde esta el corazon del los latinos politicos. En uno vestida o con nostros? Tu sabes y solamente tu!!! Para nos hijos, U N I T E !
Choosing Our Next President
In his books Barack Obama has told the story of the family into which he was born, about a father from Kenya and an American mother who met as college students in Hawaii.
At age 6 young Barack was already living in Jakarta with his mother and his Indonesian step father before moving back to Hawaii at age 10 to be raised by his maternal grandparents when his mother and her second husband divorced.
Over the years Barack Obama has had bonding experiences with white and black relatives and with Asian family members amidst an understandable struggle to find his own identity. Through it all he developed a keen ability to understand and to resonate with people of various ethnic backgrounds and to quickly move beyond differences in physical appearance and culture.
Having successfully worked his way through the complexities of the family into which he was born, this highly intelligent and very dynamic 46 year old African American man may very well be able to understand, to unite, to lead, and to serve America and all Americans in a way that has never been done before.
Unlike those who may live in many other parts of the world, most Americans don’t really want to choose their next president based on who the candidate’s parents happen to have been. Americans for the most part are more interested in the qualities, abilities, and knowledge possessed by a particular candidate and the character revealed through that individual's life experiences.
For those of you who might be torn between Clinton and Obama, I refer you to this excellent article written by David Brooks of the New York Times, dated Dec 18, 2007, titled "The Obama-Clinton Issue".
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/18/opinio...
For those of you who might care about how we look to the rest of the world, here is an excellent article in "Newsweek", Fareed Zakaria, dated Dec 24, 2007, titled "The Power of Personality"
http://www.newsweek.com/id/78157
BTW, I do care about how we look. How we look affects both our security and our pocketbooks.
--George
Do not be fooled! Hillary Clinton isn't interested in the hispanic community. It's amazing how when describing her proposal to end illegal immigration that she forgot to mention the part about sending people who have been here for decades back to their countries of origin to get back in line. She will say whatever, whenever, even drop a crocodile tear, to get what she wants. Sometimes the problem with alpha dogs is they don't know why they want something, it may not even be good for them, they just have a need to win. She needs to win, but if she does, we will all lose. Vote for Obama, vote for Edwards, vote for Huckabee, but be sure to vote for someone who is in for the right reason, Hillary is in it to win it (she said it) and that's her problem
I support Senator Clinton and her hard work. Senator Obama is articulate and charismatic and has good values but he just does not have the experience...YET...to run a country.
BUT we really need somebody who can work hard and help fix our problems - the economy, salaries, immigration. Our nation was built on immigrants and that is a source of our strength. Also, what was so bad about the Clinton years - responsible budget. I want somebody experienced!
I am puzzled by George? Such hatred, such insecurity with hardworking women who need to work to support their families.
Honestly working mom. Who do you think will work harder, someone raised by a single mom and grandparents all over the world who worked himself into Harvard or someone born of priviledge who rode the coat tails of her husband to the senate. Reminds me of GW, need I say more.
To WorkingMonny3:
For the record, Barack Obama has more years of experience in elected office than Hillary Clinton.
Perhaps you are counting Washington experience only. If voters wanted that, they would have gone with Biden and Dodd, who are now withdrawn from the race.
The past four of our five Presidents had *no* Washington experience, including Reagan and Clinton. Cheney and Rumsfeld had many, and look where they got us.
What we need is good judgment more than anything else. And, nothing could be more important that the life and death decision of going to war. Here Obama's good judgment prevailed. He was against the Iraq war from the start, for the right reasons.
By contrast, Clinton jumped on the Bush's then popular political bandwagon, gave hawkish speeches, failed to read a critical report, voted against the Levin amendment, and voted to authorize the biggest blunder this country has made since Viet Nam.
And, she seems to not have learned her lesson, recently voting for the Kyle-Lieberman amendment -- something all other Democrats running for President opposed.
Folks, it's time to turn the page, and vote for a uniter, not a divider.
Obama'08
To WorkingMonny3:
You said: "I am puzzled by George? Such hatred, such insecurity with hardworking women who need to work to support their families."
I'm puzzled, too. I don't hate Hillary Clinton, and I most certainly don't hate hardworking women. Where did you come up with that, please?
And, I don't understand where your "insecurity" comment is coming from either.
Trust me, I am not being any harder, or gentle on Hillary Clinton because she is a woman. I would be just as willing to point out issues I have if she were a man. IMO, that is exactly how it should be -- we need to be fair here.
And, we have learned, the hard way, just how important the choice of who is President is. This country is slipping. 70 to 74% of us recently polled think the country is on the wrong path.
This is serious. We need to take a very close look at all these candidates including their past records, and how they conduct themselves and their campaigns. That is exactly what I have been doing, and will continue to do.
--George
Hillary is POWER-HUNGRY and will stop at NOTHING to win Nevada.
VOTERS BEWARE: Hillary may have stolen the primary election in New Hampshire. Read the stories coming out now: Dennis Kuchinch is requesting a recount of the New Hampshire primary votes !!
PLEASE GO HERE: http://www.wdtn.com/Global/story.asp?S=7...
"Hillary may have stolen the primary election in New Hampshire. "
I think this is highly improbable. While I think the Clinton campaign has done many things that I wish they had not done, I very seriously doubt they did anything here. The downside is just too big.
But, electronic voting machines do have potential issues. At a minimum, they should produce a paper copy, which the voter can check, and either can or will be optically scanned.
Electronic only voting has more risk involved than I would like to see, and am not happy that some parts of the country have adopted such systems.
I think what happened in NH is the undecided, mostly woman's vote, broke heavily to Clinton. Why, I can't say; although, there has been much speculation on this topic. Clinton may have just done a better job getting her vote out, too.
In hindsight, Obama did pretty well here. The Clinton's have longstanding support in New Hampshire. It was their "firewall" state. Given where he was in the polls a month or two ago, a 2 to 3% loss isn't all that bad.
--George
Dear George
Please kindly do not make a Freudian slip and call me WorkingMonny. i don't have money, i have bills and hard work on my plate. *sigh*
but I do agree the country is on a perilous path.
Dear Army SFCC
To compare Hillary with GW is a low-blow don't you think? My education was paid for by the Army and while I'm older - many of my friends were in Gulf War I. I certainly don't compare Obama, Edwards, etc w/ GW.
Perhaps, that just shows your inherent bias and inability to support a female candidate. Therefore it's much easier for people to write her off as a product of privilege vs. the middle class and smugly think she's not worthy of your vote or consideration.
To TomBLase
"Power hungry", "stop at nothing" - "voters beware" such phrases are demonizing and meant to instill fear. Don't you think we have enough 'fear-mongering'? Where did that get us?
FINALLY - my guess is that McCain will end up getting the Republican nomination. I respect him, although I don't agree with him. My concern is who will the Democrats put up against him? Obama is impressive but he doesn't have the solid experience to match McCain and he will come up short on the debates. The Republicans, even w/a minority position on Senate and House - are formidable. Look at how they were able to parry numerous pieces of legislation (of course, the Pres veto is critical) throughout 2007.
Putting Obama up against McCain is just not going to cut it. The Democratic leadership needs to realize that this time we just need to win - no more Gore-miss, Kerry-miss, another one? Why do the Democrats keep on putting up lightweight candidates just to lose again?
Is the goal to win or not? The solid candidate matters and my vote remains w/ Clinton.
Efranklin,
If any president favored the Immigrants, it is the Clintons. Bill Clinton signed a legislation that granted millions of Illegal immigrants path to citizenship. If you want to hold Hillary Clinton liable...please do look for alternative reason. If you hate her, I understand, but give to Ceasar what is Ceasar and to Clinton what is Clinton.Thank you.
I would like to ask Evoenter to restrict his comments to English only!
The attempt to sprinkle Spanish into his remarks is not helpful because his "command" of the language is very poor, his use of a vulgar expression makes no sense and it's crude. To communicate your message it's important to know or to learn how to express it. As Senator Obama would say - "you need to change" -
"Please kindly do not make a Freudian slip and call me WorkingMonny."
It wasn't a "Freudian slip". It was a slip made by an older set of eyes reading a 'tiny' typeface incorrectly.
Sorry for the error. But, I will assure you there was no bad intent in mind.
BTW, I do make typos. One of my New Year's Resolutions was to do my best to cut down on them. Obviously, I have more work to do her. -wink-
--George
This demonization of the various Democratic presidential candidates by their rivals' supporters is more than a bit ridiculous. I've been working on Democratic presidential campaigns since 1972, and our bench this year is easily the best I've seen. While I am backing Senator Clinton, mostly because she is the one best prepared of the Democratic contendors to be president from day 1 (their actual ideological and policy differences are miniscule), I will happily support whoever we as Democrats nominate for president. And I hope my fellow Democrats will drop the lame vitriol and rhetoric, show some maturity, and do the same.
Oh, and don't buy the stupid comments about Obama's "Muslim" background. That's just ignorance. A visit to Snopes.com will clear that up in a jiffy.
I was going to comment on how civil these posts were, especially when compared with Republican boards. As a Republican, I would only seriously consider voting for Obama, for many of the same reasons I voted for Clinton in '92, to change from the status quo the current administration placed us. For the same reasons I could not vote for Clinton in '96, I could not vote for Clinton in '08. The very fact that she fights against Obama's campaign when it is the exact same blueprint used by her husband is amusing.
George, good posts. Stick to the issues.
WorkingMommy, please don't paint everyone with the broad brush of misogyny simply because they oppose a female candidate, unless you have proof they do so BECAUSE she is a female. Those opposing her on this board have presented valid reasons for opposing her, just as you have presented valid reasons for supporting her.
Are any of you aware that the Nevada Democratic State Party under Chair Jill Derby purged the Nevada Hispanic Democratic Caucus in its last meeting? After serving Nevada Dems for years and years they were unceremoniously kicked out!~!
As a 40-year Dem I am disgusted and ashamed that this could happen and then they turn right around to pander and exploit the Hispanic voters.
There are about 245 comments on this matter over one the Las Vegas Gleaner "Must Save Christmas" starting 12/13/07. No, you won't finf it in the MSM as it was never publicized by Nevada Dems.
Hispanics need to band together and get their voice back in the NSDP.
FROM WHAT I READ HERE.IT SOUNDS TO ME THAT MOST ALL YOU GOP ARE RUNNING QUITE SCARED AND YOU KNOW THAT YOU WILL LOSE THIS YEARS ELECTION.HILLARY WILL BE GOOD FOR THIS COUNTRY.WE HAD 8 YEARS OF A PATHETIC GOVERMENT AND NOW ITS TIME FOR CHANGE.
Differences between Hillary and Barack:
Hillary does not find anything wrong with taking money from Washington lobbyists and big businesses to fund her campaign and that of others. She is the only Democrat in the election to take this stance. I reject the notion that it takes experience to bring about change, and this issue single-handedly proves it. To bring about real change the country needs someone who has not been in Washington long enough to be corrupted by it. We need a President who will say no to Washington lobbyists giving money to our politicians in return for favors. If Hillary is elected she is going to owe all these businesses and special interests favors, and her ability to make sound decisions for the people of America instead of these lobbyists will be hampered as a result of it. Obama’s stance on the issue is lobbyists should be able to spend time in Washington pleading their cases to politicians, but not be able to provide politicians with money. That would allow reputable special interests, like some environmental groups, to have a voice but it would do away with the blackmail corruption that is rampant throughout Washington.
2. I do not believe Hillary’s foresight and judgment is comparable to that of Obama’s. Obama was against the Iraq War before it even began. Not only was Hillary for it, she also recently gave a vote to identify a large portion of Iran’s military a terrorist organization, which could’ve easily allowed President Bush to have sufficient reason to go to war with Iran as well. Hillary received a lot of criticism for that from her Democratic colleagues in Washington for obvious reasons. I should also say that Bill Clinton originally said he was for the Iraq War when it began and recently lied and said he was always against it, so I do not believe he can help her make any better decisions. Furthermore, Obama has been saying for a while now that we should go into Pakistan with or without the support of President Musharraf to apprehend the terrorists in the border region there. Obama got a lot of criticism from Hillary and the Republicans for that statement because they saw Musharraf as an ally they did not want to offend, even though it is quite clear he is incapable and unwilling to aid us. There has even been an accusation that Musharraf has misused funds we sent him for the purpose of tracking and apprehending the terrorists to use for the purpose of putting surveillance on his political opponents. It was not until January 5th of this year that Hillary and the other Democrats jumped onboard with Obama’s plan to deal with the terrorists in Pakistan. Again, I think this shows his superior judgment
3. There is one fundamental difference between Hillary and Obama’s health care plans. Hillary would force everyone to have insurance or pay a penalty and Obama would simply lower the costs as much as possible but not make it mandatory. I think Hillary’s idea is a little short-sighted. There will always be poor folk who cannot afford it regardless of how cheap the government makes it. To ask them to pay a penalty is, in my opinion, cruel and unreasonable.<br /><br />They are virtually identical on every other major issue. However, being President requires more than just having the right stance on an issue. It takes foresight, judgment, honesty, reliability, and the willingness to see things from others' point of view. I believe Obama embodies all these characteristics more than any other candidate I have ever seen running for any election at any level since I was first able to vote. He has the judgment to make the right decisions the first time and the compassion to listen to the other side and understand their concerns so he can bring this country and this world together. That is a very rare combination and Hillary possesses neither of those qualities.
I will support either Obama or Clinton. My concern with Obama is that he blew such a big lead in New Hampshire. The fact that he was out organized in New Hampshire makes me question his ability to win in November.
MidRepub said: "Stick to the issues."
Excellent advice.
I have seen here and elsewhere people say or suggest that Obama has no plans, no experience, and no accomplishments. I think nothing could be further from the truth.
May I first direct you to his Website, which is full of detailed plans for our future. He has assembled one of the very best set of advisors I have ever seen.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
IMO, one of Washington's biggest problems is the undue influence of lobbyists and special interests; another, is lack of transparency. The two are related.
Obama has tacked both. I quote:
"His first law was passed with Republican Tom Coburn, a measure to rebuild trust in government by allowing every American to go online and see how and where every dime of their tax dollars is spent."
Along with Russ Feingold, his bill, which was passed by the Senate, was one of the toughest ethics and lobbying reform bills Congress has since Watergate.
http://obama.senate.gov/issues/ethics_an...
Another big issue for me is 'loose' nukes. These could be used for a dirty bomb or worse. Obama took action on that.
"Recognizing the terrorist threat posed by weapons of mass destruction, he traveled to Russia with Republican Dick Lugar to begin a new generation of non-proliferation efforts designed to find and secure deadly weapons around the world."
Just some his many accomplishments.
--George
Anyone who is interested in the financial contributions to any candidate can check out the information at www.opensecrets.org which is a non-partisan website. For all Obama's claims about not accepting money from lobbyists, he's still accepting money from corporation themselves as another poster has pointed out and the argument about being beholden to them can be applied equally to him and other any candidate.
Obama's speaks well but his performance in debates reveals his lack of depth on the issues. The speeches are uplifting but they will not deliver the results that Americans want.
I say it should be a Clinton-Obama ticket in 2008. That would give him the required depth to succeed Hillary as President in 2016.
To sarahbear:
Regarding the Iraq War. Obama can say he was against all he wants. The fact is that he was not a US Senator at the time of the vote so he never had to actually vote for or against it. If the war had turned out to be a good thing today, then he could just as easily be saying that he was in support of it from the beginning. By not having had to take a stand at the time of the actual vote, he can adjust his position to match the direction of the wind. ALso note that in subsequent votes, he did vote to provide funding for the war.
On Healthcare. For healthcare to be truly universally accessible to all Americans, everyone has to pay into it. There cannot be an opt-out option or it won't work. Look at successful universal healthcare programs in other countries and you will see that there is no opt-out feature. This is why Hillary's plan makes more sense and is more feasible for successful implementation.
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To RexWrecks:
IMO, the only thing that was 'blown' was most of the pollers' credibility.
Obama's 'big lead' was artificial, an 'illusion' created by the polls, and pundits. SFAIK, he made no serious blunders, had a good organization, and executed his game plan.
Obama had to come from way behind in NH. It was Clinton's "firewall" state. This state has been very kind to the Clinton's over the years, and they are very well connected to the political establishment there.
In hindsight, I'm impressed that he lost by only 2 or 3 points. And, given how they changed the ballot from past years, which favored Clinton, it has been argued by some that the result was a tie.
But, what is important here is, especially for those who lean to or are Democrats, is who can win in 2008. Independents and cross-over Republicans are likely crucial for a win, and their support will be a great asset to the winner.
Obama has demonstrated far more appeal to these groups than Clinton. In fact, if Clinton is the nominee, the Republican base will be fired up, and will likely donate far more money to their candidate than if Obama is the nominee.
My experience is that the dislike of the Clintons, fair or unfair, among many is deep, long-standing, and will be hard to charge. By contrast, most either like Obama or are at least neutral or only mildly negative.
That could make a big different in a presidential race, and in leading a country, which is crying out for it, and so urgently needs it.
--George
Clinton-Obama works for me. It would be an awesome ticket.
This race reminds me a lot of the 1976 presidential race.
Perhaps some of you whippersnappers don't remember that far back, but Richard Nixon had been elected, our country was about as far to the right as you can go. We had a President who didn't believe that there should be limits on his presidential authority or his ability to spy on his people. People were hungry for a change and for an honest politician, so they elected Jimmy Carter.
Carter was one of our smartest and most ethical presidents. I have a great deal of respect for Jimmy Carter. But he was a completely ineffectual President. And he reminds me a lot of Obama.
I like Obama. I love his message and his wife. And I can totally understand the desire to want to elect someone as far removed from the ethical abyss of the Bush Administration as possible. But I am afraid that an Obama administration would end like the Carter administration; with not much to show for it, and Republicans voted in to follow him because he was so ineffectual.
Hillary understands how things work in Washington, and in the world. she has the ability to make things happen. And you know what? It's time for a woman.
hmmm... looks like the comments section has been overrun by obama supporters.
My vote will go to Hillary Clinton because it is right thing to do, and the false propaganda over here and everywhere by Barak Obama and his blind supporters will be exposed.
As somebody have already pointed out "What has barak done to deserve the endorsement by the nevada association?" He has hardly visited them beside this presidential campaign. Hillary did the right thing by visiting the members directly. I would rather have direct contact with nominee than having my union leader endorse somebody and me blindly following it.
He is courting Indian nationals in Chicago, as they are in good numbers there, yet blast Hillary for having connections with Indians. What wrong connections did Hillary had with indians? What illegal dealing Hillary did with Indians? yet Obama campaign staff released dirty paper over the subject and then Obama apologized only after it was countered by Hilary. What was Obama doing till then? Was he in dark for more than 2 weeks from his own campaign staff?
Also Hilary is seasoned politician. I would rather buy tried and tested Camry or other known reliable car than rely my life on a new company car who promises and advertizes 5 star safety ratings.
I am not completely against Obama, but this is not his time. He still needs to prove many things before he can get my vote. All of time he is saying things against Washington DC, but he does not realize that if elected, he would have to deal with the same DC people to get things done. It is a difficult task and Hilary has proved that she can do it.
Go Hillary!
To: GeorgeJohn
When you suggested that it was ok that Obama had a state lobbyist running his campaign in NH, that it was different than being involved with a national lobbyist...a lobbyist is a lobbyist.
So if I have a state lobbyist from each of the 50 states working on my campaign - its not as bad as a national lobbyist??? Actually I would end up indebted to 50 different lobbys.
I dont think any lobbyist should be used. My question is why use a lobbyist as the head of your campaign in any state? Why not use someone else who has no ties but to your campaign.
I am not sure who I am voting for yet but I do know the better we look into our candidates the better off we will be.
I also believe that I can not judge someone and assume for the good or the bad that just because the Clintons are married that if she is elected - her presidency would be the same as her husband's. For instance - look at President Bush and his son. GW has definitely had a very different presidency than his father. Individual people do individual things.
For all those about the war -
Most Americans wanted the war. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but its like monday morning quarterbacking. Congress voted and they decided based on the information that was presented to them at the time. We all know the information they received was filtered.
I actually agree for Democrats a Obama-Clinton ticket would be the best of both worlds.
The Nevada voters are engaging with Senator Clinton in a meaningful and personal way. They know that she will fight for their values and that she has the experience and will to make things happen. One of Hillary's greatest strengths is her ability to put her nose to the grindstone and get things done.
47 million people need health care, the economy is entering a tail-spin, and America's international reputation is on a severe decline. We need someone who has a clear, thoughtful, and realistic plan to remedy the multitude of problems created by the Bush Administration. We need someone who can take that plan and turn it into reality. We can't entrust the future of our nation to vague policy stances, rhetoric, and hype. We need someone who has the ability to truly make a difference in our lives.
I'm voting for Hillary in '08.
Derek
hello
George here kept portraying Obama as a uniter and Clinton not. But Hillary Clinton was already a uniter before Obama even became a senator. She pulled women, black, hispanic, and other minorities together.
where did it go?
she is awesome
In Iowa, we saw Obama operate Chicago machine politics at its worst. For each claim here, I've got at least two witnesses:
We saw (1) vanloads of out-of-staters and under-aged voters dispatched to whichever precinct was "short" on Obama supporters (using a complex headset system worn by political "observers" working for Obama, as reported to me by friends at numerous caucuses around Des Moines).
(2) Obama surrogates participated rather than observing. Former Mississippi governor Ray Mabus waded in among the caucusers in a downtown precinct and started pressuring people to shift to Obama. (This was so outrageous, I got 4 witnesses on it, and Eriposte, feel free to contact me directly for names and phone numbers).
(3) The Iowa Democrats' overly polite "rules" for the caucus allowing everyone who showed up and filled out a slip with their "name" and "address" to vote. Many of us moms in the crowd knew perfectly well some of those young people were YOUNG and I mean 14 or 15. And just in case the teenagers weren't sure what birthday to put on their newest fake IDs, the Party kindly posted signs at every caucus with the cut-off birthday. The County Auditor tells me 37 of the new voters in my own precinct said they were 17 1/2 to 18. I'll be using the open records law to try and get access and check these.
(4) Obama supporters, here as elsewhere, were booing and hissing at other Democrats' choice of alternate candidates. Anyone can see this for themselves on YouTube; check videotapes of that primary "launch" dinner in New Hampshire last week. (Do they actually think we'll vote for him in the general election now???).
And (5) overwhelmed caucus chairpeople pretty much lost control of the process when more people showed up than there are households in any precinct. (My precinct is 20 short blocks by 3 major streets, taking in about 100-150 households, not all Dems or Indies, but we had 322 "Democrats" at our caucus. Other sites had 450+!!)
Control was so lost that when my Republican neighbors left their own caucus and went down to see the Democratic one, they found the doors wide open; they walked in unchallenged and said they could easily have caucused.
Sadly, I've been interviewing caucus-goers all over the greater Des Moines area and hearing the same stories: Open side doors that people came in by, observers by the dozens who were counted at some precincts, floods of people that no one who had been door-knocking for months for Biden, Edwards, or Clinton had ever seen before, arriving to caucus for Obama.....
It was a dirty caucus and should not be regarded as any sort of mandate but one to clean up the process here.
Meanwhile, 60% of the votes counted in the Iowa Democratic caucus were from the new "voters".
I hope and pray that Obama is not successful in his bid to become president. I view Obama as the golden egg that the goose indeed laid. He is fresh, likeable, a breath of fresh air for black people. I would like to preserve him as he is. I don't want to see him stay in politics. His calling is somewhere else. I’d like to see him use his talent and abilities in his own community. Of course, this exercise (running for president) he is involved in will reap benefits for him that he can only imagine. This exercise is a win-win for him. He wins, even if he doesn’t win. As an African American woman, I don't want to share Obama with America. You can all keep Bill/Hillary, Edwards, Old Coot, Huckabee, Romney, Rudy, Paul, Thompson and the others. I think that the same old tired politicians deserve to inherit the "crap" the old white guys and one weak Negro General and little colored, gap tooth, girl has created on the hill. All of them together equal how many years of experience working hard for the American people? I think the gal with 35 years of experience deserves this job. If she can, she should clean up all the crap. I suspect that she won’t do a job worth noting because Hillary isn't going to want to be a one term president. Oh no, she isn't going to risk offending anyone that will result in her having to uproot from the White House before her eight years are served in its entirety. I wouldn't put it pass her to pull a Bush if it mean't keeping the White House. After watching her become a human on national TV, I kinda expect it. I listened to the change agent tout her 35 years of experience. I listened to the other change agent, "Old Coot" tout his years of experience on foreign affairs. I listened to the other change agents, all having varying years of experience and I look at my country and I say WOW what a mess.
Obama has a better exercise ahead; instead of trying to save America, he would be better served by investing his hopes and dreams in his community. If he could serve and have some success... wouldn't that be something?
Go Bill/Hillary, Edwards, Rudy, Huckabee, Romney, Paul, Old Coot, Thompson and other hopefuls... run like Jesse did.
Wrong George,
I have no issues with "female" candidates and I won't try to defend myself against the ridiculous. I was slightly surprised that you would make the assumption that military + anti Hillary equals anti female. There is no difference in the sexes when they ride someone elses coat tails to get where they wouldn't be otherwise, be it GW or Hillary.
CLINTON AND RICHARDSON IN 2008. THE UNSTOPABLE FORCE!
To Evoenter,
Because you directed you comment to Latinos, I will respond as a Latina woman to you. UFW Union was and is a very successful union, however it does not mean that all union are the same. I was in a Union for 15 years and active as were many of my co-worker, in the end, the union represented the jobs that made the most money and our positions got what was left over. Also, for many injured workers, the Union was just not available for them and many lost their jobs. For the record, I picked apricots for .10 cents a bucket as a child and the women got paid 1.00 a crate for slicing and pitting them, while the men walked the fields and made sure their children picked fast enough so that the moms/older females could produce more crates. Also, I lived walking distance from the canneries and it's funny how it was more the Mexican women working all day on their feet while the men worked for 1/2 day and came home and had their cervesas/Beer. Don't get me wrong, I support Unions, my husband is in one, but I don't always agree with their choices and so therefore I use my right as an American to stand behind what I believe,lucky for me, his Union endorsed Hillary!
Obama is the one candidate who can bring us all together. Hillary has the highest negatives of any candidate in our lifetime. Don't be fooled. Just remember: she voted FOR the War in Iraq. Caucus for Obama!
Talk about a wolf in sheeps clothing, my god people vote for Edward's then if you don't like Hillary, but get your facts straight when talking about Obama. He took well over a million dollars from special interests groups, doubling Clintons take, he never " picketed " for any union for anything more then a photo op. He jumped in the line, photographers snapped some pics and he was out and running, probably had to go to Oprah's 20 million dollar home and pick up yet another check, talk about special interest.
obviously this is Hillary haters conner.but i believe people will make up their own minds they won't have to go with hearts alone but with their heads.so please haters no matter how you her negative things you say about her it won't work. so my dear George don't work yourself up in getting high blood pressure chill.y mi vida Evoenter lo siento, seas discarado/a.Ella es lo mejor que hay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Vaya!
I have a problem with voting for Obama. His background and early childhood. I don't know how much of it is true, but I know what is written. I also know that if he is the nominee, the GOP will undoughtedly use his early years as a muslin, and his middle name of Hussan, as a short sound bite to turn as many voters against him as possible. I don't think he is electable because of this. I read where someone said that just because Deanna Farve is married to Brett for 20 years, (please excuse if name is misplelled or years are wrong, you get the drift) she couldn't quarterback the Packers. this is completely true, but if she helped Brett study his playbook for the past 20 years I'll bet she would know which plays to call given a game situation. So while Hillary has only been a senator for a little over seven years, she has been a sounding board for 8 years as a govenors wife and 8 years as a presidents wife. To me that is some of the best actual training someone can get.
It's going to be the economy and not the war that will be the main concern of the voters come November. That and health care will be the major issues. Who cares about the war when practically there is no difference among Obama, Clinton and Edwards about what to do with Iraq next? Who cares about who voted for what, that's all in the past. We have to look forward. When it comes to health care coverage, Clinton's and Edwards' plans are most comprehensive. When it comes to econonomic plans, both Clinton and Edwards have truly detailed plans to help the economy. Where is Obama's plan?
I don't think that Hillary is perfect. She does however, have the experience of living in the White House for 8 years and will be taking her husband with her back to the White House. If you think that she had no input during those 8 years and that he will have no input during her tenure then you are not married.
The Starr investigation spent $80 million (of our tax dollars) investigating Hillary during Whitewater and found NOTHING! nada....if he could have found it you better believe that he would have.
Hillary was the only one who was strong enough to take on the Republicans on health care. They always talk about her failed attempt but WHY did it fail? Because the Republicans ensured that it failed. They kept saying "We have our own plan." So here we are ... fourteen years later ... nothing has changed about health care. They've had full control of the White House and Congress for six years and did NOTHING.
I like Obama and Edwards but I am voting for that two for one experience team this time. I did not vote for her husband at either opportunity but he sure left our country in better shape than any recent Republican administrations have done.
obama isnt just an idly,("but") very articulately poetic motivator&inspiration.he's more practical,discerning, efficient,insightful&specific on every issue than fake, strained,stressed,calculating+self-serving,gloating hilary. (gloating over a close win as if it was 1st to 3rd)he's shrewder&more down-to-brass-tacks,go-getting action than the clintons want to make him appear&he can+will debate circles around all those other mammals.hilary's tears of stress about fearing defeat(what,a CLINTON losing? sacrilege!oh plz. screw that)really show how "all about the other" she is.yeah,right,they were "because i'm just so all about the other, about the ppl," tears.can't people see THRU her front?it's bogus!hilary is "i want ME to win"- obama genuinely means+wants to&WILL make EVERYONE win, the u.s.+the rest of the world.he's no pithy used-car-salesman "i'm all about YOU" politician.he cares+has the goods to spare in terms of integrity&decisive,thoughtful acumen.her smiles come from only winning,thinking she'll win or straining to flash her teeth at her supporters to feign authentic interest&/or excitement.her sold-out, tired old-hat "changes" bore my soul.obama's audience loves him cuz he loves them first&cares about the issues they bring up,wants2know,hear,make the system work for the people,not da corporations.what mystical eff-ing miraculous changes or amazing legislations did mrs clinton make in the last experienced 35 yrs that we need 4 more yrs of the same? what the hell does that mean, she's above explaining what she did or didn't do?&how'bout hilary's experienced notion of not ruling out nuking al quaida - perhaps to start ww3? &what experience would bring the change of punishing those too poor to pay for health care? did 29 yrs experience as a governor's,then prez's wife get her to that myopic conclusion or was it her own stilted,holy clinton judgement all by itself w/bill pullin her strings for a 3rd clinton term like bush snr pulls dubya's strings from afar for the 3rd bush term?
As a young voter I can honestly say that this is the first time that any name on the ballot will ignite a flame under me to vote. In the past two elections there was not a single person on the ballot that I trusted to run this country. I will vote first and foremost for Obama, but if Clinton is the Democratic candidate of choice, I will vote for her. Let's be honest here, both parties would do all they could to help turn our country around in many aspects, including morality, economics, healthcare, the list goes on and on. What we need is change. We did something stupid when we went to war, now we have to deal with it. To have not one, but two candidates I would vote for is a first for me, and that enstills hope in me that we can get somewhere.
Why does Obama get my vote before Clinton? He seems more genuine. That's reason enough for me. I wouldn't work for someone who was not genuine, I would not associate with someone who was not genuine, why would my first choice be someone who I do not feel is genuine. As a few others have stated, the basics of their campaigns are similar, so let's look at the morality of the country. I'm not sure that I'm proud to be an American anymore, and I don't think that Mrs. Clinton can change that, but I do think that Mr. Obama can. So, let's be thankful we have candidates that are voteworthy.
GO HILLARY......I'll take 35years experience over 2 years any day...
Seriously Folks, How can anyone vote for this: http://www.xpress4me.com/images/08/01/09...
part b of my comment&i'm out. choosing hilary doesnt=reelecting bill who was a great pres,but the idea is to improve on,not recycle him.that brilliant hilary experience of insubstantial change might help the med companies&special interests backing her,but i dont see how it'll help the majority of the u.s.obama's the only one who's worldly, diplomatic but firm enough to interface w/different cultures in the states& in the rest of an increasingly dangerous world.hilary'd look like a square, culturally narcissistic american,perhaps not dumb like bush,but still,like someone who doesnt know sh*t about the cultures of countries' leaders she'll have to talk to.obama will shake this motha out+raise our country to heights it's never soared to before,fix what needed fixin long ago but was swept under the rug. i mean, read his stands on fighting poverty, crime, incarceration rates, shifting focus to the afghhan/pakistani border to finally catch osama+bailing from iraq to save unnescessary destruction of theirs+ours, teaching soldiers foreign languages that might help deal w/the ppl in whose countries they are, etc. read his&clintons stands on everything+see whose plans for change r more specific&realistic, doable. &in today's world&politics you need visionary ideas&talking skills to pass bills&policies&diplomacy to push ideas&agreements, in&out of the states.nepotism is no substitute for vision. who wants mediocre ideas executed excellently&experiencedly when great ideas can be executed competently? i prefer the latter. hilary will only change things into pretty close to more of the same-if u see how our country is now, drastic changes need urgent doing, not mild changes done experiencedly. she may not campaign or think in poetry,but her governing will be not the standard "prose" of her campaigning,but substandard,blase prose of "how its always been done cuz thats what works" - only with minor cosmetic changes.obama is the way to go!-check him on all the issues. he gets the grand scheme of things, the big picture while not forgetting the minute details. he's not just superficially appealing,but backed by substance,wit,clarity of judgement(not just of language)&motion. get ready, he'll rock this race inside out - it'll be a head-spinning, double-coup blow to flip the show!
Sorry, but I was at the rally today. The candidate for working families in Nevada is Barack Obama. End of story!
Si Se Puede!
As a Hispanic American I am proud to have served a country where citizens are allowed to freely voice their opinions and positions with passion. No matter the outcome of this primary election; we will have change. Our next president will be a non-white male. This will represent a major change in our history and I am fortunate to have lived long enough to see it and live it. Say what you will about either candidate, but in my humble opinion, Obama is inspirational, but Clinton is inspired. In honor of my grandmothers and my mother I will vote for a female candidate for president, since they never had the opportunity to do so.
Go
Hillary
At this point in my life, I've learned that the money never comes from ligitimate or moral places; money is the root of all evil, so let's forget about where the money came from and concentrate on who will help us all the most. I don't care what your last name is, what color your skin is, what gender you are, or your age; can you and will you help us? I've been on this earth now for a short 24 years and have never had health coverage - does anyone see a problem with that? I live in what is arguable the richest country in the world and cannot afford health insurance and the health insurance I can afford is a joke. We're not richer than anyone else, we're in more debt than anyone else. Immigration - if you want to come here, I welcome you with open arms with one contingency; do so legally. You can't be proud to be an American if you aren't one, and if you didn't come here legally, you're not an American and you deserve nothing this country has to offer (certainly not the Social Security dollars I pay in). Sorry if I sound harsh, but welcome to planet Earth. Once you're here legally I'll be happy to share whatever meager wealth I may have with you.
In the end we just need to vote democrat. I've seen nothing on the other parties' plates that will help us out at all.
UnionGRL, that picture was HALARIOUS - or should i say Hilary-ous! i think the same of all her fake expressions. word. she's gloating so much that she underestimates the competition she has in him. he's the most extremely intelligent&sincere, never complacent presidential candidate i have ever seen, hands-down. this guy's got a major intellect+there's nothing false about his hope, the only false thing is to have 4 yrs that'll make hope seem naive+obsolete in this country. obama is one of the most instantaneously recognizable born leaders&all that i wrote before about him, among ppl of any sex, age, height, race, religion, or whatever - that i've ever seen, heard, read or heard about - he is the bomb on all these counts compared to anyone of any background that you want! obama is the kind of candidate who would convert someone who's apolitical. and like in important peop's who can change the world list in forbes magazine 2007, mrs clinton came 3rd but barack came 2nd (&the 1st was al gore who's not running). in terms of the u.s.'s world image&diplomatic relations w/it, obama has fans everywhere from germany, turkey, jamaica, japan, korea, australia - he's the real mccoy+he'll defy the polls again - he too can be calculated, just not in a cheap mudslinging way
My question to supporters of all the Democratic candidates for President is, will you support our party's nominee regardless of whether it is Obama, Clinton or Edwards?
Ok, so America has spoken, half want Hillary and the other half want Obama. I would love to see an Obama/Hillary or Hillary/Obama ticket. If bringing people together, working together and making change is what they are really all about, then I hope whichever one wins will choose the (and I hope they accept) to run with them on the same ticket. Inspiration and Experience, a double edged sword, in addition HISTORY in the making.
Obama is currently riding a wave of the easiness of Americans to get excited, he has been talking about change, I ask these questions:
1. What where his positions in the American Senate signified change, what significant thing has he do that shows he is going to change the so called 'status-quo'.?
2. Don't give me that lobbyist nonsense, Obama has raised over 100million....is it not from the same executives of large corporation like JP Morgan and Exeleron....or was it your donations that reached such huge amounts?
3. Decisions made in the Senate concerning Iraq were based on the information available at that time..we all know those informations were filtered?
4. Hilary's health care plan of mandatory payment is right..health care payment is compulsory in Eastern Europe, so I suggest you compare the progress they have maid to that of America. No matter how affordable it is, some people will not still pay.
5. Hilary has faced a lot of criticism and attacks from both sides of the planks and She is still standing Strong, this shows endurabiity and perseverance. the skeletons in the clinton cupboard have been revealed so there are no nasty surprises that might be expected from other candidates.
So I suggest you start looking at the facts and stop riding on emotions.
Thats just my 2 cents
"Poor likability"? Katy, a lot of morons thought W was more "likable" than Vice-President Gore, that Dumbya was a "guy they could drink a beer with". Look where that got us. W = worst president ever. Give me intelligence and a first-hand understanding of the office any day of the week.
So if Hil gets the nod, Katy, who will you vote for? Rudy? Mit?
The Hispanic/Latino community will soon learn what the African-American community knows. The Clintons are fair-weather friends. They will sell you out for votes.
Just think about the Philadelphia debate when she was for driver's licenses for undocumented residents until she was against them 2 minutes later. Now that she's in the West, she'll promise you anything for your vote.
She may have said "there are no illegal women" today. And perhaps she'll say the same thing as she's loading you on busses headed for the border.
Clinton, Obama and Edwards would all be great presidents - vastly better than anybody running for the GOP nomination.
If John doesn't get the nod, I'm hoping Hillary or Barak will make him Attorney General.
Also Barack Obama has had dismall showings in Debates, he was simply blown away by other candidates..it shows HE CANT STAND THE HEAT. I used to support Barack Obama until I realised the change I believe in will be achieved by someone who has embodied and displayed change over a long period of time. which is what I get in Hillary Clinton.
The Obama hype will eventually cool off and questions will be asked...I only hope it wont be too late.
This is NOT because I love one candidate more than another. It is just because I am sick and tired of the crap that Washington keeps spewing. I have served in the military. I have seen how the government "takes care" of our citizens. I am sick of the crap...I am mad as hell and I am not going to take it anymore.
Has anyone stopped to ask the question(s):
Hmmm. Why do you think Bill Clinton was in touch several times with Bill Richardson, up to the point that Mr. Richardson dropped out of the race? Does anyone think that it was a coincidence that the Clinton camp was "speaking with Richardson" so much? Does anyone even stop to think that Camp Clinton needed Richardson to drop out before Nevada, so that he would not pull Hispanic votes from Hilliary? It was NOT about him not being able to win...it was only about him NOT taking votes from Hilliary.
This is just more examples of DIRTY POLITICS...AS USUAL! This is NOT a change. This is just more Washington business as usual. This is her "experience" of underhanded, back-alley, under-the-table deals, that WE NEED TO RID WASHINGTON of.
If the Union (Union = UNIFIED...get it?) wants to endorse a particular candidate, then good for them. I would bet that Hilliary is not telling members of other unions (that endorse her) that they should follow their hearts and not their leaders. DOUBLE STANDARDS FOR A DOUBLE CROSSING POLITICIAN!
AMickle
Lots of people are moved by Obama's rhetoric. It is nice to hear good poetry. We need some one who has being around the block many times. He has been only two years in US senate. If were to be under the knife of surgeon, I would choose someone who had more than two years in the business. We cannot take risks with our lives nor can we take risks with our country. Obama should wait for few years and gain valuable life experiences before setting out to run a country.
“Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experiences of trial and suffering ...( Helen Keller )
Crocodile tears....can you say "Contrived"? How convenient.
Just when she needed to show a "softer side".
When one can smile with their mouth while shooting daggers with their eyes, you had better watch your back.
My son is in the army, and i have read the comments here i agree with some and disagree with most. uniting you need to go to this site and read about obama, his father was a muslim and he was already married when he married obamas mother anna he left her and married another woman while still married to anna then left that woman and was living with another while still married to three different women.the site is www.freedomsenemies.com/_more/obama.html... . obama was a muslim until he got married to his boss in the law office he worked in. And armysfcc can't tell if you are really in the service or not but let me ask you this do you want to fight for the UNITED STATES or a new muslim nation.Me i will take my chances with hillary. And goergejohn if you trust tom corburn you are crazy, you see i am from oklahoma and i wouldn't trust his as far as i could throw him he is only out for #1 and neither you nor i are the one. And no i am not voteing for hillary because she is a woman but because i think she is the best one for the white house.will check back later for a response from you all. VOTE HILLARY.
A couple of posters have said Obama has said he was against the war through "hindsight," suggesting that since he wasn't in the US Senate, he didn't have to take a stand.
That's not true. As an Illinois state senator, he made a great speech against the war in October 2002.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Oba...
If you read the speech, it shows judgment and reasoning that Hillary Clinton could only dream of having. His is the insight and intelligence I want in the White House in January 2009.
So Katy, mickleca, jade, Johnny, unionGRL, who did you vote for in the 2000 general election? Gore, Bush or Nader?
There are over 3 million people in the US, are we saying that only people with the last name of Clinton or Bush are capable of running this country? Come on people.
armymom - I'm glad you are supporting Hillary. But your comments about Obama being Muslim are waaaay offbase and uninformed. It's not your fault. A lot of people are falling for these slanderous internet spams. But before you start blindly regurgitating internet lies about Obama's "Muslim" background, I suggest you check snopes.com for the real story.
Katy-
Clinton can reach across the isle and work with Republicans. She has in the past and has been critized for it.
Here is a little history since people think Hillary's life began when she married Bill Clinton. Hillary was an activist in college. Working for the rights of common man. You dont have to come from a poor family to realize what all American's need. John and Robert Kennedy grew up in the most of the most wealthy and influental families but both have been known for fighthing for the needs of ALL Americans. So much that both were assignated. So I suggest you research Hillary years before she became someone's wife.
She also grew up in a republican household. So if anyone knows how to deal and "live" and work with the other party. I believe she has had first hand experience.
Such a pity about Rueben. He forgot the lesson of Greek Tragedy: Whom the Gods would strike down they first make proud." What a mighty fall it will be, and how incredibly painful to watch.
Joneiric-
Since I used the hindsight in a general statement - I will respond to your comment. As a State senator he was not given the same intelligence briefing that the US Representatives and US Senators were given. The information they received was filtered to show that Sadam did present a danger. President Bush wanted to go into Iraq and he had to win over the US Senate and Representatives to be able to do so.
I didnt think we should go to war and I am not even a representative anything. Just an American citizen who actually had a brother who went off to the war. Friends who went over there to fight. The information that the military was given at the time was that he was a threat. Most Americans at the time thought he was a threat even supported US going into Iraq.
So I will not judge Obama, Edwards or Clinton for their decisions - I didnt see what they saw to make them decide to vote for or against the war. Plus one of the best ways to put a halt to a war is not to fund it. Both Obama and Clinton have voted for the continued funding. If you are really against the war - you vote NO. If you said you voted for the funding of the war because of the equipment to protect the soldiers then vote NO and use your fund raising skills to get your supports to actually fund the equipment. Look at all the money used to advertise their campaigns. Put those millions where they can really be used!
I like hearing Senator Obama speak, he has a way with words. I think in the future he will be a great champion of democratic values. I am not comfortable with his lack of experience on the world stage. He reminds me of our President, who rode into the White House with talk of restoring values and compassion for the common man. Both men meant well but are short on the how to make all this happen (reality check). Senator Obama wants many great things but when asked to give an outline of how he would accomplish many of his promises I feel uncomfortable with his answers.
Senator Clinton reminds me of what this country stands for. You work hard, pay your dues, build a foundation, good things happen. I was unsure I wanted to vote for Senator Clinton until I heard the CNN reporters say she was ahead with some 12% counted on Tuesday. Yes! came out from deep inside and I realized Senator Clinton is the one, no doubts anymore. Letting the media dictate to me who to like and who is fake or a robot, and they ALL have made their case against Hillary, I find her courageous and blessed with a lot of spunk. She has the sort of values and the real change in direction we in the United States need.
Thank you for letting me comment.
The republicans are prepared to beat Hillary. They have been anticipating Hillary to be the democratic presidential candidate for years. They will “swift boat” her.
Clinton will bring nothing new to the table. The idea to have Bill in the white house again with a little to do may make him do even crazier things than Monica. We need a new person in the white house. A new person that will unite the country, not divide it more than Bush. Obama will unite this country and restore our international image. The republicans will have a harder time defeating Obama in the general election, they will bring the so called experience factor but they will not defeat him because we democrats, independents and many other republicans will support Obama...
Hillary will divide the democrats and turn off some democrats with her and Bill’s negative attacks on Obama, she will turn off the independents, and scare away any republican who support Obama.
The Clintons may still attract some feminists, but even those feminists will vote for Obama instead voting for a republican.
The Clinton have had 8 years in the white house, it is time to turn the page. Please let look at the big picture and stop Hillary, the right woman will come later to become a president. Not Hillary Clinton. She will divide us and the republican will win the white house. This country cannot afford 4 or 8 more years of people who thing like Bush.
in answer to your question jackaroses if the nominee were to be obama then i will change and vote republican. all politicians lie haven't you figured that out yet, more some than others to get elected. And what i am about to say will probably make some people mad but here goes. I am so tired of hearing that immigrants bulit this great nation but you are wrong this great nation was started by the native amercians then the immigrants came in and took over but not all of them built this nation into what it is today, they started it and the people that were born to them and so on are still working on it today. And as for slavery the people that owned slaves are dead and have been for many many years we should not have to pay for them owning slaves, the slaves own people sold them into slavery. The native Amercians have gotten over loseing their country to immigrants. And don't feed me that garbage from the mexicans that this great nation was built from immigrants your not building your working here and the immigrants that did start building this nation paid their dues to get here.
Katy - I actually dont see the republicans working with anyone. If they really worked with any democrat...we wouldnt have the problems today we do. As to Obama working with them, if he gets the nomination the Republicans will run roughshod all over him. He hasnt been a front runner until recently and once the political guns are pointed in his directions - it wont be pretty sight. The republicans like to run on fear and they will use his short time in DC and his lack of foreign relations experience. Like I mentioned before. I believe a Obama/Clinton ticket would be the best.
Obama stance for "hope" sounds very troubling to me especially in times of adversaries with so many problems facing America, topping the list is the Economy. George Bush has screwed up so badly that I shutter to leave it to a person who hopes but not knowing how nor with the experience to fix it.
My hope is for Hillary to do the difficult job!
Go Hillary!
jackaroses please do not talk to me as if i were a child, i was a child when jfk was killed. i have read your snopes.com and it still hasn't changed my mind, and i don't read internet spam i put it in the trash where it belongs. I have read all i could find about obama and it doesn't impress me at all.And it doesn't change the fact that he grew up muslim.
Katy-There have been republicans that have worked with Hillary.
Lets us agree to disagree on this point and hope that whoever does get into the Whitehouse will do what is needed to help the American public.
We dont have a balanced budget which means for example we had a budget of $100 and we spent $110. What scares me is who did we borrow that $10 from??
Oh by the way I am an accountant and I work in the Health care arena. If we dont do something about Health Insurance and the economy soon - we will be in more trouble than we know. We are one of the richest nations but one of the poorest on healthcare for all citizens.
Billary's experience schtik is laughable: 8 years as first lady of Arkansas, 8 years as first lady of the White House and now she's a state senator in a state where she had no ties previously-none. Enough of the lovefest with the Clinton's already, our presidency is not meant to be dynasties of 2 families--Bush Clinton, Bush, and perhaps another Clinton??
Thanks but no thanks. Just say NO: no to the baggage, scandal, and shame that a Billary presidency would bring back to the White House.
If Hillary and those other cowardly Democrats hadn't voted for the war,4000 families would not have lost their son,daughter,brother,sister,wife husband,and thousands of soldiers would not be in the hospital,some without their limbs!!
Those billions of dollars that are spent on the war each month,could have been to fix schools,help people with their insurance,help kids with their college education and to help people hold on to their home.
I see all the Vegas Obama people are on here with their spin badmouthing both Hillary and Bill Clinton.
The first guy is amusing in his negative remarks about when Bill was President. Yeah he was so bad that he created 23,000,000 new jobs including many in Vegas, Vegas prospered when he was President. He left us with a huge surplus that Bush blew.
Hillary was his partner back then and if it wasn't for the Republicans, who don't care about people blocking her health plan, there would be no Americans without health insurance now.
Obama has been claiming that he does not deal with lobbyists yet another poster here, in trying to make Hillary look bad, says that Obama has taken over $70,000 from them. Just like he says he was against the Iraq war from the beginning but we just found out that in 2004 he said when it came to the Iraq war he was no different than Bush.
Who is it that is incincere and not telling the truth?
Joneiric- Wrote: “Both Obama and Clinton have voted for the continued funding. If you are really against the war - you vote NO.”
Once our soldiers are already in the field fighting; some people will want them protected. Time is of the essence since their lives are in danger. So you support the funding and find another way, a better way to pull them out of there. There is perhaps no better way to undo all mess done by President Bush than to want to become the commander in chief to stop all that. This is where I thing that Obama has the judgment to become a wonderful president that will make all of us proud.
I am a father, if any of my children jump in the water or is pushed in deadly waters against my will; I will still feel obligated because of love to throw her a life boat while I am bringing a big boat to rescue her. I will not say: “because I was against my child going in the deadly water, I will not throw a life boat at you.” Every minute matters. So let vote for Obama and he will pull our troops out of Iraq in a responsible way and he will bring about new diplomacy
All I can say is that if Obama wins, our biggest worry will be what we say...Al Sharpton will be listening very closely.
WKLNS wrote:"The first guy is amusing in his negative remarks about when Bill was President. Yeah he was so bad that he created 23,000,000 new jobs including many in Vegas, Vegas prospered when he was President."
As an economist, I can assure you that presidents don't create jobs alone. They can influence the fiscal policy one way or the other and help create a poltical environment but it takes a team work of many enities in the country to create jobs. certainly Bill was better than Bush. This does not mean that Hillary will be better.Hillary is too divisive to win the national election. My point is that Obama will do us more good than Hillary
Hillary Clinton will be the Republicans best chance for victory in November.
She is a stone-cold, divisive woman, who will do just that. I am a registered democrat and I always have been, but Hillary Clinton will divide my party like never before. Half the members in my party are already pledged to vote against her.
Hillary is also a terrific uniter--of Republicans. She will unify and drive the Republicans to the polls lie we've never seen before. Anyone the republicans put up against Hillary will win in a landslide in November. Heck, even Ron Paul would beat Ms. Clinton.
Today's move displays a total lack of respect for the latino community. The culinary union is a powerful group made up of a large group of latinos, it gives them a voice in the workplace. Clinton's attempt to divid the union undermines this ability and is a slap in the face to the latino community.
Furthermore, if we're going to have an arguement about experience, Obama has far more applicable experience for the presidency than does Clinton. Her only experience is 8 years as a US senator. Obama was validictorian of Harvard law, president of the harvard law review, community organizer, professor of constitutional law, Illinois state senator for 8 years, US senator for 4 years. He clearly has more experience, Hillary has only been a first lady, that isn't experience.
Also Obama as a community organizer fought on the streets of Chicago for change, anyone who's lived in Chicago or lives close to Chicago knows it's a vicious town politically. But Obama succeeded there. And if he can do as well as he is against the Clinton attack machine, he will fair wonderfully against the republicans.
The issue before us is this...
Who can best win the general election for our party? The choice is clear, Barack Obama, he will build a broad coalition. He will have the democratic base, the independent vote, and will pull over even some republicans, he will win in a landslide in November if he becomes the nominee.
Finally, in US history, our greatest presidents have less federal experience and more state experience. This is the case for Barack Obama.
-Andrew Jackson never served in political office.
-Abraham Lincoln was only a US Rep. for 2 years
-Franklin Roosevelt was a NY Governor for 4 years
-Teddy Roosevelt was a Vice President for 1 year
-Harry Truman was a Vice President for 1 year
So Clinton's argument that her federal experience better qualifies her is not a historically accurate argument.
Obama is the democrats best chance for victory in November.
Ron Paul in 2008 instead? No thanks. Obama? Yo mama! Id rather elect Oprah. Clinton and Richardson will win the election. Republicans can try again to split the vote and it just won't matter this time.
Republicans and Obama fans don't bother trying to CHANGE me please. You heard it here first folks...
Clinton and Richardson in 2008 - Deal with it.
I'm telling you. She's going to unite the republicans. She's going to loose half of the democratic base. She's demonstrating that she's willing to divide anyone to win.
The issue before us is who can best beat the republicans. And the horrible truth is Clinton can not. She's too polarizing, she'll even split my party. Obama can build the coalition required to win.
Obama 08!! The only choice for the democrats.
After 28 years of either a Clinton or a Bush VP/Pres. in the white house, its time for change! Enough of politics as usual. Please, anybody but Clinton on Jan 19.
Well, I have been to many political forums and realize that many people are divided over the '08 election. I realize that a lot of us are tired of the lies and manipulative ways of the present government. It's criminal to see what this administration has gotten away with.
Back to the subject at hand. The fact that there is a lot of discussion about the upcoming election is a very good thing. That there is division about who would best be suited for the white house in '09 is pretty obvious. I cannot and will not choose to degrade Hillary Clinton because there is no way of me knowing if she is really for the people or not. There is no way of me knowing if she cares more about being the first woman president of the United States or not. There is always a chance that no matter what I decide to believe I could be wrong just like anyone else who thinks they have all the answers. And the same goes for Obama.
Now, there is something that is very scary about the Obama/Hillary issue. Whether people want to accept it or not it is very common to hear things like, "if Hillary gets the nominination I will either vote Republican or not vote at all!" That is not a good sign for the general election. Now, are we sure that it will turn out that way? Of course not! People do change their minds and may find that choosing the best of the two evils will be a better choice.
Also, I would like to touch on something else that I see a lot of people doing. My fellow americans...if you are going to post anything at all please make sure that you have done a little research first. Too often people just love to quote what they read on the internet or maybe heard someone else say. Whatever happened to doing a little research? This way you'll actually sound like you atleast have a high school education. It just sounds terrible when people mis-represent certain things like "Obama is a muslim and he'll do this or that or I heard that he does not respect our flag or the national anthem." People, please Educate yourselves so that you don't make fools of yourselves. My God, I wonder how many people go and cast their vote with this kind of mindset! No wonder why we elected our current president an extra four years to the highest office in our land. Again, please do a little research, think for yourselves and make intelligent decisions! Please, we can't afford not to....PLEASE!
<QUOTE>Hillary Clinton will be the Republicans best chance for victory in November.
Hillary is also a terrific uniter--of Republicans. She will unify and drive the Republicans to the polls lie we've never seen before. Anyone the republicans put up against Hillary will win in a landslide in November. Heck, even Ron Paul would beat Ms. Clinton.<QUOTE>
Jbach002,you're absolutely correct!! The Republicans are salivating at the mouth for Hillary to be the Democratic nominee!
HILLARY STOLE THE PRIMARY ELECTION IN NEW HAMPSHIRE. Do you think I'm just a paranoid Hillary-hater?? Read on...
In the interest of preserving the integrity of the voting process in this country, Dennis Kuchinich and Ron Paul have both called for a recount of the votes in the N.H. primary. Among other things, the hand-counted votes strongly favored Barack Obama, just like the polls had predicted. The machine-counted votes favored Hillary, enough so that she won the primary.
Here's the kicker !! The machines used in the New Hampshire primary are of the kind that can be tampered with, and have been tampered with in the past !!!
Dear Mr George Jones,Since Your Mr Obama Has All This Experience That You And Others Are So Willing To Give Him,That's Right Give Him,Then Why Don't He Present His 10 Years As The Illinois State Senator,That He And Axlerod,Plouffe,& Burton And The Rest Of His Gansta Employed LIARS.The 10 Years Of His Political Life That Were So Conventiently Misplaced,Or The Ones That His Gansta's Got Rid Of,He's Getting Ready To Be Real Vetted,By The Same People That Raised Him To This National Prominance.Mr Obama Has Made Half The Black Population Believe In His BS,That's It Is Literally A Disgrace,What Kind Of Politics Do You Suppose They Indulge In In Chi-Town,I Mean Do The Research Mr Jones,Theirs Nothing Good Political Of Any Good That Comes Out Of Chicago,And Mr Obama Is No Exception.You People Defend This Man No Matter What Lies He Tells,Are Gaffes He Makes Are The Work As A US Senator That He Has Failed To Do In His Own State,So Tell Me Mr Jones If He Can't Run His Senate Office Why Should We Vote For Him As The Next POTUS,Are Do You Suggest We Vote For Him Anyway,Like You And The Rest Of His Followers Are Doing,He's A Liar,He's Arrogant,He's Slimy,He's A Liar,& He's A Liar,& He's A Liar,And To Top That Off In Debates He Has Performed Miserablly And We Should Vote For Him ........WHY,For What Reason....And BTW I Am Black And I Weren't Hypnotized By Mr Obama Lies From The Start,Can You Boast Of The Same Thing,Let Me Answer That For You H-LL No.
So far Obama has been painted like a saint. I'm hesitated to believe that. It doesn't sound real to me. I acknowledge that Obama's got everything right to say about changes. But whether he could bring on the changes and how he would is really unclear to me. That is a big issue, why isn't that?!
DELTAFORCEVD196047 and DAdams,
If you take time to read the posts in favor of Obama, you will find that none has qualified Obama as a saint. As far as I know, the pope is not here.
Obama is our best chance to win the white house in November. many people have given very logical reasons and facts that support this argument.
DELTAFORCEVD196047, you may be black, Clarence Thomas is also black. So what is new? Obama's message is not divisive, it is inclusive and it unites us. Obama will be the first to tell you that he is not perfect. You are not perfect, I am not perfect. No one is.
It seems to me that you are missing the point. It is not about perfection or sainthood. There are two leading candidates in the democratic party: Obama and Clinton. The question is who will give us a better chance to win the white house? The answer is clear: Obama.
DELTAFORCEVD196047,
You actually do Obama a favor by writing all this nonsense since by the looks of it you can barely handle english grammar; and you have no evidence to back up most of what you say. You claim that he is a liar, arrogant, slimy etc.. So, tell us where we can find the sources that would back up what you say or should we just believe it because you claim it so? Man, it's people like you that make us as a people look ignorant and poorly educated. Please, before you go on a rampage about nothing solid do a little research and back up what you claim to be facts! The nerve of these people!
Obama unmasked
http://www.newstatesman.com/200801100000...
Army Mom,
I didn't read your whole comment, once your blaring hatred of a people "Muslims" came through, I didn't care to find out what other isms you suffer from.
It shouldn't matter "American" If Barack was or is still a Muslim. Are you sure it's not just his dark skin that bothers you mom?
Obama is a Christian, a Presbyterian.
He has been at least 23 years.
His pastor is Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who Obama credits for inspiring the title of his newest book, "Audacity of Hope."
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/Barack.Obam...
The reason for the passion exhibited by the Obama supporters is we can sense that this is the first chance - in a very long time - to clean out the people who feel they "own" the government - both on the democratic and republican sides of the aisle
In observing Nevada - as a frequent visitor, watching the last Nevada debate -- one would think the good people of Nevada would want to show their elected officials that they do not own the "people" either--
The Clintons were instrumental in getting Harry Reid to be the Senate majority leader -- Harry Reid's son (and political machine) are now the Chair of Hillary Clinton's Las Vegas opertion ---
The CNN Nevada debate - where each candidate got X amount of tickets and the balance of tickets went to the State Democratic party -- saw those extra tickets loaded up with people who booed the other candidate and disrupted the debate (I would not say these people were Clinton supporters so much as hired guns of the machine -with a purpose)
One of the posters above rightfully states the Union secured the most lucrative contract ever last year -- the Union supported your representative who now goes against the very people who put him in office --- by essentially telling the leadership of the union that his judgement is superior to theirs
Your Union leadership made a very courageous step in defying the political and social pressures it faced - and selected the candidate who best understands the plight of the members
To the gentleman who compares 35 years experience for Ms. Clinton to 2 years for Mr. Obama -- that says the sum total of her professional life counts as experience but Senator Obama's does not?
Mrs. Clinton eas elected to office for the first time in 2000, Mr. Obama was elected to office for the first time in 1996.
Personally: I think it is admirable that a man like Barack Obama, who was the first African American President of the Harvard Law Review, who could have walked into any job on Wall Street and made a HUGE amount of money - instead went back to the community and became a community organizer. This decision - before the world was watching - should tell people all they need to know about the "content of his character".
Below is a link to Senator Obama's voting record:
http://votesmart.org/voting_category.php...
Vote as you believe but to quote the late great Daniel Patrick Monyihan "People are entitled to their opinions; but there is only one set of facts"
And to the new population of Nevada - if you want your voice to be heard -- look to history; support your Union. They certainly have supported you
Efranklin said:
"Efranklin,
If any president favored the Immigrants, it is the Clintons. Bill Clinton signed a legislation that granted millions of Illegal immigrants path to citizenship. If you want to hold Hillary Clinton liable...please do look for alternative reason. If you hate her, I understand, but give to Ceasar what is Ceasar and to Clinton what is Clinton.Thank you."
Is Bill running for President again? I thought it was Hillary.
For those of you who said many democrats have said if Hillary has the nomination they will vote republican, or not at all: I ABSOLUTELY will vote. If I am given the opportunity to vote for Obama I will be thrilled. If not, I absolutely will vote for a republican.
Diana,
I can feel your pain (bad pun) However, Rudy isn't completely out as the republican candidate yet and if it came down to Rudy or Hillary... best we could do is hope Bloomberg is also running!
The "experience" issue is false
Vote for Hillary Clinton if you want - but not because she has more experience.
You just have heard her name longer -- don't confuse name recognition with actual experience
And as Hillary is considered one of the "hawks" of the democratic party -- certainly do not confuse experience with judgement
(does your husband or wife know how to do your job better than you do? are they experienced in your work/career simply because they are your spouse?)
No one should tell you how to vote - but please think rationally -- It is not going to be the 1990's economy again if Hillary Clinton wins - it will never be before 9/11 again
We can only move forward --
As a union member: Ms. Clinton wants you to defy your union, as a union member if you work on the strip Ms. Clinton doesn't want to provide you with a polling place -- that is of course unless your union leadership had endorsed her
As long as your eyes are open - and if you still want to support the above -- that is your choice --
Choose wisely
Jaz,
Is the US so low that we need an article written in the UK to tell us who Obama is?
Please someone needs to tell Mr. Andrew Stephen of newstatesman.co.uk that the USA is an independent country. We can take care of our problems. We don't need UK to "unmasked" Obama. If it was up UK we will still be serving the queen of England...
How strange. Has Mr. Andrew Stephen you fixed the problems in UK before he comes to the USA and tell us about our candidates?
To All Hillary voters:
If Hillary wins,and you have a daughter,I hope she does NOT work as an intern in the whitehouse.
Want to CHANGE tactics such as this?
Want CHANGE you CAN BELIEVE in?
Well, a FAIR chace is all WE need.
A FAIR election will show what America needs and wants.
OBAMA stands for HOPE over FEAR
UNITY over DIVISION
WE TOGETHER vs TYRANNY OVER
Can we CHANGE this Country?
Can we TAKE AMERICA BACK and TAKE IT FORWARD
with Honesty, Integrity, Insight and Intelligence that extends beyond just a grasp of the surface - but an Understanding that reaches inside the hearts and souls of every human being regardless of party affiliation, nationality and race?
YES WE CAN
WITH OBAMA WE CAN
WITH OBAMA WE CAN DO ANYTHING
For the REAL facts on the REAL DEAL:
http://www.barackobama.com/index.php
To all Hillary supporters...
Explain to me how Hillary is a proven leader.
This is her first stint in public office. She has never been in a position to cause political change before. She has been grandfathering in her husbands acheivements as her own. She talks about what she did in the 90's. May I remind you that running on a platform of the past is very similar to the republicans running on Ronald Reagen's platform. We need to move forward in this next election, leave the negativity behind.
Time to vote for a proven legislator, Barack Obama.
Hillary Clinton will be the Republicans best chance for victory in November.
She is a stone-cold, divisive woman, who will do just that. I am a registered democrat and I always have been, but Hillary Clinton will divide my party like never before. Half the members in my party are already pledged to vote against her.
Hillary is also a terrific uniter--of Republicans. She will unify and drive the Republicans to the polls lie we've never seen before. Anyone the republicans put up against Hillary will win in a landslide in November. Heck, even Ron Paul would beat Ms. Clinton.
Today's move displays a total lack of respect for the latino community. The culinary union is a powerful group made up of a large group of latinos, it gives them a voice in the workplace. Clinton's attempt to divid the union undermines this ability and is a slap in the face to the latino community.
Furthermore, if we're going to have an arguement about experience, Obama has far more applicable experience for the presidency than does Clinton. Her only experience is 8 years as a US senator. Obama was validictorian of Harvard law, president of the harvard law review, community organizer, professor of constitutional law, Illinois state senator for 8 years, US senator for 4 years. He clearly has more experience, Hillary has only been a first lady, that isn't experience.
Also Obama as a community organizer fought on the streets of Chicago for change, anyone who's lived in Chicago or lives close to Chicago knows it's a vicious town politically. But Obama succeeded there. And if he can do as well as he is against the Clinton attack machine, he will fair wonderfully against the republicans.
The issue before us is this...
Who can best win the general election for our party? The choice is clear, Barack Obama, he will build a broad coalition. He will have the democratic base, the independent vote, and will pull over even some republicans, he will win in a landslide in November if he becomes the nominee.
Finally, in US history, our greatest presidents have less federal experience and more state experience. This is the case for Barack Obama.
-Andrew Jackson never served in political office.
-Abraham Lincoln was only a US Rep. for 2 years
-Franklin Roosevelt was a NY Governor for 4 years
-Teddy Roosevelt was a Vice President for 1 year
-Harry Truman was a Vice President for 1 year
So Clinton's argument that her federal experience better qualifies her is not a historically accurate argument.
Obama is the democrats best chance for victory in November.
Sure, Hillary isn't nearly as experienced as she claims to be and she is definitely not even capable of uniting wood glue and popsicle sticks, BUT she did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Go OBAMA 08
Obama does not resort to underhanded tactics either. And this is one thing that NEEDS to CHANGE.
Way to go JFNIKKI, however, going by what has been going on since NH vote one would have to ask who is actually running for POTUS, Hillary or Bill?? Both seem to be getting pretty vocal of late and getting the same media attention?!! Bush,Clinto,Bush,Clinton, Bush (Jeb)?, Clinton (Chelsea)? WOW way to go indeed!!!
I'm listening to Hillary speak at this moment and she is doing her best Obama impersonation. First she campaigned on her toughness. She was Muhammad Ali and Clint Eastwood gunslinger all in one.She had fought the wars of the 90's and was ready to move in for the kill if we would just slip and elect her as the dems nominee. Back up Hillary! We already have a change candidate and he is sincere and authentic. We don't need a career coat-tail rider,who'll deny Jesus to get a vote from the devil. Hillary keeps switching her campaign message because it isn't important to her to stand for things for long periods of time, only long enough to get a vote. Hooray for the panderer-in-chief. I just can't wait to see which face appears next.
I am responding to this comment:
"obama does not have enough experience.i am a union member,and im voting for hillary.nobody tells me how to vote."
You mean has not been in the stagnant waters to be tainted by them - or in Obamas words - seasoned, stewed awhile, have all the HOPE boiled out. There is not ONE corrupt molecule in this man's energy. And that is what I am voting for - CHANGE OF THE STATUS QUO
And the Culinary Union GAVE their endorsement. Obama did not TELL them how to vote.
Apparently there are MANY who BELIEVE in Obama because the Political Endorsements just keep rolling in....
Senator Kerry
Governor of Arizona
Governor of Massachussetts
Mayor of Atlanta, Georgia
Senator Bradley of New Jersey
Governor of Wisconsin
Obama has got EXACTLY what it takes to be President of the United States
Obama is OUR golden opportunity to turn things around in this Country. That chance may NEVER come again.
You are exactly right Ibelieve...
People wonder why they constantly disappointed with government when they continue to vote for the status quo. When you get a candidate who speaks from the heart and truly wants to unify a fractured country, don't jump on the fear band wagon and play it safe, go out on a limb.... because that is where the fruit is.
BUSH,CLINTON,BUSH,CLINTON,BUSH,CLINTON........LONG LIVE THE DYNASTIES!!
C'mon folks-the "female" thing? Lady Macbeth was a "female" too.....
Obama '08
Obama rallies are a sea of signs reading `Stand For Change.' Clinton counters with her `Ready For Change' slogan. But the Senate voting records of these Democratic presidential hopefuls are almost identical.
What it comes down to is what YOU see as bigger change - having a female white president or a male black president.
As a woman myself, I see female prospective as bigger change.
People, though I am for Clinton, I will vote for Obama in general election if he is nominated.
Anyone is better than the sitting president, isn't it?
While you are busy trashing candidates on either side, please do not forget your candidate wants to be UNITER. What kind of UNITER will they be, if their supporters are fighting like dogs?
Clinton not only voted for the Iraq war with her Bush buddy, she is hiding her records from review and showed her character when she tried to steal White House items after Bill's term ended. Hillary has high negatives because she Deserves them.
Come off it, Carolyn. Did you witness her stealing act? Or you read it from news? Are you sure that wasn't dirt people trying to throw at her??
Before long Obama (if he wins nomination) will face the same defamation tactics Republicans threw at Hillary Clinton, and I hope he handles it as well as Hillary did.
Regarding a previous blogger's view of Hillary's "female perspective"...what self-respecting feminist (as Ms. Clinton likes to see herself) tolerates her husband's sexual indiscretions for over 30 years? If it's purely for political gain, then she's morally bankrupt. And if she can't keep her own house in order, how she can possibly lead in the White House?
Lewis, maybe her view of marriage is different from yours. There are many things deeply connecting two people together - love, dreams, devotion, value, family, daughter, etc.
We all hope that we get a spouse that is perfect in everything but she certainly didn't get one. But you cannot deny their devotion for each other.
It is important to see that Hillary Clinton has her private pains like the rest of us, but she is able to pursue her dreams despite all the difficulties and disappointments in life. That is inspirational to me.
Leaders of Change Don’t Vote “Present”
Dear friends of Nevada, as a registered Democrat in the State of Illinois, I have been trying to decide whether to vote for Sen. Hillary Clinton or Sen. Barrack Obama in the upcoming primary. Spin from the campaigns, and endless chatter from the TV bubble heads have made this decision even more difficult than it should be. So I decided to do my own research on the candidates.
Senator Clinton, this daughter of Illinois, will receive my vote. I have always known she is more than qualified to be President, but my question was whether she was more or less qualified than Sen. Barrack Obama. My research, based on their records serving this country, has resolved that issue for me.
When Barrack Obama was one of our State Senators, he voted PRESENT nearly 130 times. Think about that. This self-proposed man of conviction, this man who does not believe in “politics as usual”, voted PRESENT on issues that were critical to the lives of Illinois citizens throughout our state. He voted PRESENT instead of an up or down YES or NO because it was the politically expedient thing for him to do.
Is this the voting pattern of a man of conviction – a man devoted to change? I don’t think so. In fact, I think Senator Obama’s voting record may well represent a man without a social backbone, a man whose conviction to social change can only be described as tepid at best. But I could be wrong. However, in the past 8 months, the U.S. Senate has voted on issues critical to our country’s well-being more than 260 times and of these 260 opportunities to vote for change, our Senator failed to vote on more than 160 occasions.
Personally, I am willing to cut him some slack regarding his poor voting record as the junior Senator from Illinois because he has only been in office two years, and half of that time he has been on the campaign trail. We all know it is difficult to learn when you are not in school. And while this is based largely on his inexperience in leadership, in my opinion, he has the weakest resume of most, if not all, of the candidates – Democrat or Republican.
But my biggest concern is his lack of commitment on issues of vital interest. When we will need strength, when we will need leadership, when we will need to re-direct our country’s direction, would a then President Obama simply answer “PRESENT”? It is just not worth the gamble.
True, the Clintons are devoted...to themselves, the political winds and whatever grants them political gain! They will say and do anything, and triangulate any position depending on what's most politically expedient. Another blogger mentioned not wanting their daughter working as an intern in a Clinton White House. Speaking for my own teen daughter, I can only say amen to that!
So Lewis, let me see if I have this right. The blogger you mentioned thinks his or her daughter will find President Hillary Clinton irrestible? Frankly, I don't see a reason for concern, but who knows what fears reside in the smallest of small minds. (And I am not speaking of age here when I refer to small minds.)
To try and keep the facts out there --
A "present" vote in the Illinois state senate is a recognized way to vote when the bill is not the way it needs to be to be passed - the bill then gets further discussion and comes up for final review
Asan example: when State Senator Obama voted "present" on some pro choice issues this was AT THE request of PLanned Parenthood as they did not want the bill passed as initially presented
Senator Obama has a 100% approval from PLanned Parenthood as well as Emily's List (even though Emily's list 527 is pouring money into Senator CLinton's campaign - that is called a "PAC" aka Special interest)
So the question can be asked if Senator Obama and Senator Clinton both have 100% approval ratings from a PAC why does one get 527 money and the other doesn't?
Answer: Because Senator Obama does not accept PAC money --
Below is the link to FACT CHECK as to what a Present Vote means --
http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/200...
This is a REALLY important election - please take the time to learn the facts and not just inflame the conversation --
As toi Senator Clinton voting yes or no -- that is correct she voted YES in 2002/3 to give George Bush the authority to go to was and she voted YES in 2007 to give George Bush what he wanted in declaring the Iranian Guard a terrorist group --
That doesn't take guts -- and unfortunately - she is smarter than her votes here reflect -- which begs the question -
Is Hillary a Hawk --
As today Newt Gingrich wrote that Hillary is the best democratic candidate to a carry on the poilicies of George Bush --
Link here
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/010...
And today on Tim Russert show the conservative NYTimes columnist David Brooks stated that the White House feels Hillary Clinton will follow their policies the closest of any of the Democratic Cnadidates --
You decide
If Jfnikki - you are happy with the current administration then you should vote for Senator Clinton
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/...
from New Yorker Magazine-
please do not let any politician set one group of people against another for their own personal gain
http://thepage.time.com/2008/01/12/racia...
Racial Tensions a Potential Boost For Clinton
Some strategists suggest Hispanics may be reluctant to support a black candidate.
Clinton pollster Sergio Bendixen: “The Hispanic voter—and I want to say this very carefully—has not shown a lot of willingness or affinity to support black candidates.” The Page, 7:26 AM
Yes, we should try to keep the facts out there. The facts are Obama voted for political expedience rather than for common cause and that is not change - that is status quo. His agenda overrode his promise to vote for the benefit of our state and our people.
Regarding Clinton's vote on the war in Iraq, let's think about that vote for a minute. Like virtually all Democrats in the Senate, she voted to give Bush the authority to put together a coalition and he abused it. But Barrack, with literally no knowledge of national and international affairs, a man still green behind the ears with little more than an agenda, said he would have been against the war. Based on his history of voting in our state senate (130 PRESENTS), that means he probably would have voted PRESENT.
And when it comes to Hillary's vote and that of her colleagues in the Senate, they were shown "evidence" that today we know was false. What makes you or anyone else think that a "politics as usual" politican like Barrack would would have voted differently?
You are right about David Brook's statement that the Bush Administration thinks a Senator Clinton would likely be the best President to maintain stability in these very uncertain times. On the other hand, Barrack's administration would be chaos in the midst of chaos. We had that when 9/11 occurred and we do not want another "apprentice president" at the helm should similar problems occur.
Just for the sake of this discussion, let's compare Barrack's resume with mine:
Barrack was against the war!
I was against the war!
Barrack has international experience (he was in grade school in Indonesia)
I worked for a research company in Europe for four years.
He is a lawyer.
I am not.
He was never in the military but he was in the Illinois Senate where he voted PRESENT.
I served in the military for four years during Viet Nam.
He did drugs (cocaine unless I am wrong).
I smoked grass when I was younger.
So, based on this, I may well be more qualified to be president than he is, but I know without question that I am not more qualified to be president than is Senator Clinton.
No wonder why your name is "Darryl" Where's your brother and your other brother Darryl?
At Horse Haven visiting your mother.
Oh, I'm sorry - they just called - they're at the Cicken Ranch. I knew it would likely be named after some farm animal.
What was your mom doing there - supporting the troops?
Darryl,
The problem is that the republicans will win if Hillary is the nominee.
good one Derl,
Do you do stand up as well? I am very impressed by your resume! It proves that you were born and have continued to breathe in and out for a long time. I'd vote for you. How bout you run.... and don't stop!
Derl,
When all else fails, go to the good ole momma jokes... well there I can't compete, YOUR MOM PRODUCED THE BIGGEST JOKE OF ALL! Smile and wear it, you've earned it! Derl
Dusacre,
I don't think so. I think it is just the opposite. Any time our party goes too far to the left - too progressive - we lose. We have to remain close to the center.
Stick with me for a moment on this long-ass explanation of mine. There is some talk about New Hampshire and the so-called Bradley Effect coming into play (people claiming they will vote for an African American but not doing it when behind the closed curtain). I don't think that happened at all because the polling for the male voters of New Hampshire matched the outcome, but the difference was with female voters. So, if the Bradley Effect were in play, then we can only assume that NH women are more racist than are the men. What I think happened was what I would called the Hillary Effect and that is to say that when the women went into the voting booth, they decided at the last minute to vote for another woman.
I think that in the coming primaries and in the general election, we will see both the Bradley Effect and the Hillary Effect in play. The Bradley Effect will have an impact in states throughout the South and West, and in states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Florida and New Jersey. The Hillary Effect will take place throughout the US.
Both of these will benefit Hillary in the primaries and the Hillary Effect will benefit Hillary in the genearal election. If Obama were to become the Democrat candidate, the Bradley Effect would likely swing those states I've mentioned over to the Republican candidate.
She(Hillary) raised eyebrows in New Hampshire when she credited President Lyndon Baines Johnson, not the assassinated John F. Kennedy or King, for passing civil rights legislation.
Hillary said-Sen. Obama used President John F. Kennedy and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. to criticize me,” she said. “Basically compared himself to two of our greatest heroes. He basically said that President Kennedy and Dr. King had made great speeches and that speeches were important. Well, no one denies that. But if all there is (is) a speech, then it doesn’t change anything.”
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Hillary should hang her head in shame!!!
ARMYSFCC said--Sure, Hillary isn't nearly as experienced as she claims to be and she is definitely not even capable of uniting wood glue and popsicle sticks, BUT she did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Go OBAMA 08
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ROTFLMAO!!That is hilarious!!!
Senator Kerry
Governor of Arizona
Governor of Massachussetts
Mayor of Atlanta, Georgia
Senator Bradley of New Jersey
Governor of Wisconsin
Senator Bob Nelson of Nebraska.
Obama is getting the goods guys!!
First of all, there is such a thing as the Bradley Effect. It is named after Mayor Bradley, the mayor of LA, when he ran for governor of California. It does exist and it will play a major part in this election whether you believe in it or not. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_eff...
And with regard to the mantra, "Yes We Can", yes we can do what? Give another election over to the Republicans by voting for Obama in the primaries because Obama cannot win the general election.
And what is at stake when you vote for Obama in the primaries? You are saying it is okay for a conservative Republican to be elected so the war in Iraq can continue, so the prices of oil can continue to rise for the benefit of the wealthy, so working people can continue to lose their jobs and their homes, so the Supreme Court can continue to move to the right and become so packed with conservatives that it will take another 20 years before we can move it back toward a moderate court. Yes We Can my aching butt!
Here is a mantra for you, Elect Hillary because it will take a Clinton to clean up this Bush mess.
armysfcc have you sucked tit today i hear strawberry is the flavor of the month. I don't care if obama is purple. i have friends that are black and even they do not want to see obama in the white house. he might be a pretty boy and a sweet talker, but that is not what we need in the white house, what we need is someone who will get down and dirty with congress at their level and fight for what is right for the American people. hey armysfcc what is your mos.
We must not settle for less. It is our duty to vote our heart.
Darryl is right. Tom Bradley should have been governor twice according to the polls, but twice he was defeated because voters publicly would support a black candidate, but privately vote against him. However, that doesn't free us from voting from our hearts!
Hillary isn't a uniter, didn't claim to be one until Obama beat her in Iowa. Now it's a kinder gentler Hillary,but it's not authentic. She is angry at the republicans and wants nothing more than to continue the partisan bickering we've been looking at for the past 16 years.
Like Obama said "There is no shortage of anomosity is D.C." But we could alleviate alot of it, keep Hillary out of the White House!
I would rather lose to an authentic republican knowing we put our best candidate forward, than win with a phony candidate who is only interested in satisfying her ego.
I believe in Obama, I believe in Edwards, I believe in Huckabee, but I can't in good conscience EVER vote for Hillary. Go Obama!!!!
Yes we can! Si se puedes!!
Army mom,
You insulted a whole group of people not just a few radicals. I know you wouldn't insult a whole group of Soldiers by insulting my MOS. I speak for myself, every other 19D has his own voice.
I think it's dangerous to think that Senator Clinton cares more about Hispanics than getting elected. She's made a slip of the tongue regarding Martin Luther King that shows her real self:
See this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7QsY-WJ-...
armysfcc if i insulted your MOS please tell me what your MOS is .....an please explain your disciption of a 19D......
I have spent sometime checking facts about Obama. I already know Clinton.
I am independent and don't get really excited about voting. But you know, there are times in which there is urgency in the air, and then one feels that one vote, a single one, can make a difference.
I don't want to lecture anyone. I don't want to engage in long discussions. I like to read and read all the posts here. Nothing really relevant for my decision. If something, I am even more confident I've made the right decision:
Barack Obama.
Vision, intelligence, familly, integrity, community, soul, very clear about what he wants to do. He knows about team work. Solutions from the bottom up. And his position on crucial issues: health care, immigration, foreign policy, education, the economy.
Darryl-
I have noticed that noone has come back with facts to disprove what you have said about Obama voting PRESENT in the state senate so many times. One person did say earlier before your post that there were reasons to vote PRESENT but to vote PRESENT that many times...there is no reason for that. It tells me that he hasnt taken a stand one way or another on things that were important to the residents of IL. A President cannot say oh I am present but has to answer yes or no.
In Florida the democrat running for Governor was a state senator. He missed alot of votes in the senate and the other side brought this in the campaign. He had a good resume otherwise but the voters were bothered by him being absent for the votes. They lost confidence in his ability to be the Governor and the republican won the governership.
The same thing will happen to Obama - the republicans will use his votes in the state senate.
Barack Obama being partly a son of an immigrant has more in common than most hispanics. Most of us in the Hispanic community still have family back home, so does he.
Having relatives in the third world countries give you a different outlook and a sense of suffering and understanding that the rest of the suffering poors in the world go through.
Hispanics should think about it. Barack is more likely to pass comprehensive immigration reforms because it affects some members of his relatives or he knows those closely those going through that problems than Hillary.
When the goings got though, Hillary abandonned the undocumented workers in New York to suit her political situation. Now she is against driver's license.
For those of you who drank Obama's koolaide (that nonsense that he is the candidate of change) ask yourselves this question: if he is not a status quo politician, why did he vote PRESENT 130 times when he was a representative in our state (Illinois). Do a little research and you will find he did it because it was the politically expedient thing to do. Yes, he showed he was a status quo politician - a man of words but not action.
If you vote for Obama, you are voting for a conservative Republican to be elected so:
* the war in Iraq can continue,
* the prices of oil can continue to rise for the benefit of the wealthiest Americans,
* working people can continue to lose their jobs and their homes,
* the Supreme Court can continue to move to the right and become so packed with conservatives that it will take another 20 years before we can move it back toward a moderate court.
If you want change, vote according to someone's actual record while serving our country, not on the spin or prose coming from their mouth. If you truly want to see a change from what we have now, if you want to see the working people regain their position in our economy, cast your vote based on someone's voting record, not on their broken. record.
Att: AnnMarie: the link was previously posted to your question on present votes -- so here it is again (since this board is so crowded - could be hard to find)
http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/200...
"Fact Check: Present Votes are an Accepted Legislative Strategy in the Illinois Senate"
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Also: re:your question about electibility?
It is common knowledge that the Republicans want to run against Senator Clinton - as they feel they can beat her the easiest (easier than either Obama or Edwards); Hillary is the dream candidate for the republican machine --
They are "fired up and ready to go" should Hillary Clinton be the democratic nominee --
See link below for the following information (also was on TV this am)
"New York Sen. Hillary Clinton is Republicans' choice for a Democratic candidate.
Said GOP pollster Whit Ayres: "When it comes to Republicans, Hillary Clinton is a unifier, not a divider."
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/246...
FACTS MATTER -- AT LEAST THEY SHOULD MATTER
Obama -08
Obviously Facts Don't Matter....
...Or Obama would not be in this race. He voted PRESENT 130 times on all sorts of issues.
But AW keeps referring to Obama's own spin as some sort of proof that he is not a status quo politician. Do your own research from independent sources like the New York Times and you will find that the man voted purely for political expedience.
Vote for a person based on their record (Clinton)
Not on their broken record (Obama)
If Hillarious is riding her experience from when she was first woman in the White House, how can she forget that it was her husbands attention to other women that kept him from the deep thinking needed to understand the nature of terrorists. What was she doing then?
I'm a white 55 year-old white guy and I'm with Barack. CHA Cha Cha Change, not chump change.
There is a time when people can close their eyes to the big picture and political realities.
Barack Obama will win the national elections if he is our nominee. A nomination of another Clinton will unite the republicans; divide the democrats because Hillary will practice the politics of destruction on Obama.
ok Darryl - no problem
LINK of NYTimes December 20 re: Present Votes
Clearly supports Obama's position on what a Present vote reflected in the Illinois senate
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/us/pol...
Happy to provide as many links and back ups as you would like to see--
Facts are easy --
AW Put Away the Obama Koolaid...
...nobody is drinking it.
Facts are easy when you understand what you've read, but you apparently just skimmed the article. What does it tell you? It tells you Obama voted PRESENT 130 times because he is always willing to put politics over principle. That is his history - politics over principle. He said he was against the war in Iraq but then said he probably would have voted the same way as KErry and Edwards. Why did he say that? Because he is a status quo politician and has a history of politics as usual over principle.
Obama Koolaid Claim = he is a person of change and words matter
Obama Reality = he is a status quo politician where obviously words matter more to him that action
Why mention missed votes? Hillary has missed 25% this year. I guess voting only matters when we don't like Obama.
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congr...
ARMYSFCC
We are talking about two different things. When he had to simply make a choice in the Illinois Senate to either vote for principle or vote for politics as usual, he chose politics as usual.
From April 2008 to the end of the year, out of 260 votes in the US Senate on issues of importance, this status quo politician missed 160.
Let me see - according to you, Senator Clinton missed 25% or 65 votes and PRESENT Obama missed 160. Wow! Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
gee Darryl - maybe you will able to caucus - but the campaign you support is very busy trying to disenfranchise people who did not endorse her
If your candidate is so magnanimous - why resort to the chicanery? Why try and change the rules in the middle of the game --
oh right -- because that is the Clinton way --
Better to drink kool aid than klose 4,000 soldiers and have 25.0 maimed soldiers due to the simple FACT that Senator Clinton
(a) did not read the national intelligence report in 2002 but was "briefed" on it
(b) did not support the Levin amendment which was the best possible compromise at the time
(c) is cited by Fox News as most likely to continue Bush's war
and the list goes on
Unlike Senator Edwards, Kerry and so many others who have renounced their war vote - Senator Clinton was to have it all ways -- stand behind her vote and say she is the one to get us out of the mess she is (partly) responsible for getting us into
There is not enough Kool Aid on the planet to change this
JUDGEMENT trumps experience anyday of the week
Well I be darned AW. You aren't just drinking the Koolaid, you seem to have the Obama recipe down and are making your own mix.
Clinton is not involved in the chicanery. You read one thing and come up with another conclusion. Taylor is upset because someone is endangering his little surfdom, and he is now finding that democracy trumps his plans for a political surfdom. And did you see how he played the race card. Boy this sounds like "Politics as Usual" which should become the mantra of the Obama people.
I see from your questions that you either watched Meet the Press or you are being fed the Obama talking points. So, since you most probably watched the show, you also probably heard Senator Clinton's answers. She did not read the report and neither did the vast majority of the Senate but Hillary was briefed on the content. That is standard for Congress because time is critical. Perhaps if Barrack had read more bills in his time in the Illinois Senate he would have voted more on his principles instead of saying PRESENT 130 times. Or in the past 8 months, he would not have chosen not to miss 160 of 260 votes. Regarding the Levin Ammendment, she voted against it because she felt it was not the best compromise at the time. But the value of words may not mean much to you since you are quoting Fox News.
You think judgment trumps experience any day. Judgement without action means nothing at all which is why we have so little regard for Obama. He talks about ideas but has nothing in the form of actions or experience to convince us his judgement is sound or that he is anything but a layabout, status quo politician. Hillary, on the other hand, has proven she is a woman with good judgement brought about by years of national and international experience and that she is a person of action.
And as you know, experience and action are not cards in the Obama deck.
Katy, stop drinking the Obama Koolaid
Obama is the status quo politician who thinks one speech should give him access to the White House.
Obama is a man without conviction, a man who thinks it is what he says rather than what he does that should matter.
Obama is a man who knows he cannot get elected by following the rules this government is structured on because he has no experience in following those rules so he says the rules (experience at working within and with those rules) should not matter.
Senator Hillary Clinton is the next President of the United States - the first woman from of a long history of women to obtain this position after more than 200 years of serving our country.
It will take a Clinton to clean up this Bush mess.
Darryl,
Clintons care only about power and themselves, even John Kerry will tell you that.
It makes me wonder if you are a republican trying to set up the democrats to vote for Hillary so that you can have easy time in November.
If Hillary could not clean Bill mess with Monica, how can she clean the mess of Bush? She voted for the war in Iraq, she voted for the "next war" in Iran. What kind of judgment is that?
Dusacre,
I am a Democrat, and a very pragmatic one at that. I know the Republicans want Obama to be their opposition candidate so they can absolutely destroy him.
I do not trust the Republicans one tiny speck. I believe they will do anything (absolutely anything) to maintain the office of President and I think they believe if they can get Obama on the Democratic ticket, they will also regain control of the Senate (not the House, but the Senate) because they know how easy it will be to beat him in every Southern state, in most if not all Western states, and in delegate heavy states such as Pennsylvania, Ohio, New Jersey, Michigan, Florida, Michigan, and Texas. I believe they will prove Obama to be no more effective than Dukakis.
I suspect republican operatives are currently working on the Obama/Osama agents of change campaign. I have reason to believe they have begun sending out emails to slam Obama as being a Muslim with a childhood in Indonesia with fundamentalist Muslim training.
They will begin to refer to him as the Afirmative Action President and begin to show how uninspired and how un-motivated he is. Look, these are the same people who took a man like John Kerry with his war record, and made him look no more than equal (if not less) of a war hero than George Bush. If they can make Bush's military record seem as worthwhile as Kerry's and can make Kerry look like he lied about his service while keeping W's AWOL period out of the general discussion, then what do you think they can do with Obama?
And what do you think is at stake here?
* The war in Iraq,
* The balance of the Supreme Court with two or three liberal court justices near retirement,
* The financial strength of the middle class,
* Jobs going to China,
* Higher energy prices including higher gasoline and home heating oil.
Two factors will matter in this election - the Bradley Effect and what I call the Hillary Effect. The Bradley Effect means that when white men in states like Pennsylvania and Ohio go into the booth to vote, they will not vote for the African American. And when women go into the booth to vote, I think the Hillary Effect will come into play in that if a woman is on the ballot, women will, if they think all things are relatively even, will vote for a woman.
What freaks me out is when the Arabs Americans came out and strongly supported Obama just because he is a muslim. Next thing you know they will ask for a taliban treatment of women in America.
Correction on my earlier posting: "son of a muslim".
Darryl,
I give up talking to you. your argument above is so illogical, and so ignorant, that it does no longer deserve a reply other than this.
Dusacre, you didn't give up because you think my arguement is illogical. You gave up because you know I am correct and the reality is disgusting. We say we value our democracy over life, and we have people fight and die in wars to defend and protect it; and then we have people on both sides of the aisle who are quick to victimize the hell out of it.
I have already seen one email being passed around about Barrak being taught in a Muslim Madras, and that he only joined a Christian church after he decided to run for the office of president.
But I guess you want to believe everyone is good and honest in politics or that if we are above board in our politics, they will be as well. It doesn't work that way. Ask John McCain. When he came out of New Hampshire with the lead in the 2000 republican primaries, operatives for Bush (some claim Rove was involved in this), called South Carolina Republican voters and asked them would it change their opinion about McCain if they knew he had a black child.
The Republican operatives did a job on Harold Ford of Tennessee as well. Harold is not married so they showed him as a playboy and at the end of the commercial, they had a white woman tell Harold, "Call me." They knew this would piss off enough white men in Tennessee to change their votes and Harold would lose the election. If you think they will have a "kid's gloves" approach to Obama, should he be our candidate, you're nuts.
Hi Dusacre
Darryl is a Clinton troll -- probably dialing it in from Washington --
He isn't worth any effort - and certainly anyone reading these blogs would ignore his bile
You are being kind calling his words illogical and ignorant -- that allows the benefit of the doubt (Darryl obviously has no respect for Nevada voters - like most trolls he thinks an over abundance of words- will convince people of their validity) -- we posted many legitimate links and information - but as you say -- I give up also --
One last point of fact CNN analyst Jeffrey Tobin said a few weeks ago the Clintons tried to make an offer to Obama to get out and they would name him a Supreme Court judge -- so for all his bluster -- Darryl's patron seems to know how smart Obama is - and on the side of right
Luckily for us - we get a chance to caucus for him
Obama-08
as venom has to be cut out --
this link from the non partisan Annenberg center is for kcee (and anyone who has felt the subject of unwarranted bigotry can relate and be proud that Senator Obama does not let the poison being spewed impact his hope)
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/...
choose to be positive
choose hope
Obama -08
AW, you are not from Nevada so stop pretending. Hell, you even misspelled the name in another post so come clean. Facts, remember.
No, I am not a Washington insider. I am a Democrat from Illinois who knows the value of your candidate and the threat he poses to our party in the general election.
Outside certain parts of Chicago, Obama has no support because he cannot show one thing he has done for our state.
But speaking of bile, what comes out of your mouth on these boards? I speak of facts and you try to twist the facts to make them match your agenda. The claims you have made against Senator Clinton are nothing less than bile. I have to wonder at what your agenda might be.
So I would like to ask you two questions, AW.
1. Are you a republican pretending to be a Democrat?
2. Obama does not have the credentials to be elected, so what is your basis for supporting him? Is it the color of his skin or do you think a man who speaks eloquently but has no experience in leadership actually deserves to be our president when we are at war and when our economy is on the verge of a recession?
So, the Obama supporters like to call people names rather than discuss facts. I guess we know who has a lock on the sleaze.
Go have another glass of Obama KoolAid.
Katy has not called you any names Darryl
We have not called you any names -
Never met - don't know Katy or any of the people posting here -- but you clearly make an discussion of the issues impossible -
So we are moving on --
And yes - we do know you have a lock on the sleaze (and that is not a typo)- that we are in agreement on
What is a troll? You called me a troll. I am pretty sure being called a troll is not a good thing. So, yep, you had to resort to name calling because you simply have no logic to back your claims about Obama.
Words - like PRESENT 130 times instead of voting his conviction are what sum up Hussein Obama. Missing 160 out of 260 votes in the Senate and being the politics as usual candidate is what sums up Hussein Obama. Yeah, your candidate is a man of words alright. But you know the words that do not fit into his vocabulary or those of his supporters - conviction, principle, action, or integrity.
You know it and it must kill you to realize you have supported a status quo politician, a man of words and no action.
By the way AW, you seem to have passed over my questions to you so I will ask them again.
1. Are you a republican pretending to be a Democrat?
2. If you are a Democrat, do you live in Nevada or are you part of the Obama campaign polluting sites like this one? I noticed in another post that you did not know how to spell Nevada.
3. Obama does not have the credentials to be elected, so what is your basis for supporting him? Is it the color of his skin or do you think a man who speaks eloquently but has no experience in leadership actually deserves to be our president when we are at war and when our economy is on the verge of a recession?
armysfcc what group did i insult and are you saying if you don't vote for obama your a radical???? and also is your MOS (military occupational specialty) if not i can type in the other MOS in the military and you can choose which one you are. Also i know what a 19D is and their ranks in the military. AND i would never insult a soldier, I use to be a nurse and took care of some of our finest, some were almost 100 years old a few died right after they turned 100 years old . Not just men but women also. i have the utmost respect for our men and women in the military. so you set back there at your ROTC community college and insult me if you must it doesn't hurt my feelings at all. sfcc is that the santa fe or state fair community college.
Posted by Darryl:
8:55 pm Sunday
ALTHOUGH I DON'T THINK ANYONE ELSE IS PARTICULARLY INTERESTED - BESIDES YOUR TRYING TO STAY A VIABLE PART OF THIS LINK - REPLIES IN CAPITALS BELOW
By the way AW, you seem to have passed over my questions to you so I will ask them again.
AS NOTED DON'T THINK ANYONE IS THAT INTERESTED - BUT FOR THOSE WHO MISTAKE YOUR PERSISTENCE FOR GENUINE INTEREST - SEE REPLIES
1. Are you a republican pretending to be a Democrat?
STRONG PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT - THIS IS FAIRLY OBVIOUS TO ANYONE READING THE POSTS
2. If you are a Democrat, do you live in Nevada or are you part of the Obama campaign polluting sites like this one? I noticed in another post that you did not know how to spell Nevada.
NEVER SAID I LIVED IN NEVADA - SAID I WAS A FREQUENT VISITOR.
ONLY SOMEONE WITH TOO MUCH TIME ON THEIR HANDS WOULD INSIST A TYPO IS MISSPELLING (NO SPELL CHECK ON THE BLOGS)
3. Obama does not have the credentials to be elected, so what is your basis for supporting him?
HE HAS BEEN IN ELECTED OFFICE LONGER THAN EITHER SENATOR CLINTON OR SENATOR EDWARDS- HAVE POSTED REPEATEDLY VARIOUS WEB LINKS CLEARING ENUCIATING SENATOR OBAMA'S POSITIONS
Is it the color of his skin or do you think a man who speaks eloquently but has no experience in leadership actually deserves to be our president when we are at war and when our economy is on the verge of a recession?
YOUR PREJUDICE IS SHOWING - BE VERY CAREFUL - LIKE THE OTHER CLINTON SUBORDINATES/TROLLS WHO ARE TRYING TO MAKE THIS ABOUT RACE - YOU SEEM TO BE WILLING TO HURT THE PARTY JUST TO GET YOUR CANDIDATE ELECTED
AS YOU ASKED ON ANOTHER POST:
A TROLL - SOMEONE WHO REPEATS THE SAME TALKING POINTS OF THE CAMPAIGN - TRIES TO MONOPOLIZE THE CONVERSATION - NEVER BACKED UP WITH FACTS/LINKS ETC
THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD SAY THIS KIND OF SUMS UP YOUR POSTS --
YOUR WORDS ARE MEAN
YOUR LANGUAGE IS CRUDE
AS KATY SAYS ABOVE - LIES & NEGATIVITY WILL NOT WIN THIS ELECTION
YOUR CANDIDATE'S POSITION DO NOT SUPPORT THE STATEMENTS YOU ARE MAKING -
CHOOSE HOPE
OBAMA '08
But you see, AW - queen of the KoolAid thermos, I am not convinced you are a Democrat. I think you are a republican plant.
You accused me of being from Washington and by questioning my own residency and not stating your own, you inferred you are from Nevada - not an outsider. But I could only believe that if you were a Democrat, you were obviously an Obama minion (possibly working out of one of his campaign centers) trying to get unsuspecting people to drink the BO-flavored KoolAid.
Yes, Obama has been in office longer than Clinton and in that time he has done nothing, accomplished nothing for our state. He voted PRESENT 130 times in political ploys which makes him a politics as usual candidate, a record he tries to run from. He has been in office all this time and done nothing - what do they call it when a person gets paid and does not work.
Yes, I want to know if your support of Obama is based on his resume or his race. I think that is a legitmate question and I do not see anything racist in it. You can ask me if I support Hillary because of my gender, and I won't call you a generist.
If your support of BO is based on the color of his skin since his credentials for the job are so weak, most fair minded people would consider that to be racism. But think about it, Oprah supported him for president long before she knew his stance on issues, had never supported a candidate in her career, and suddenly was backing this unknown. So do you think her decision was based on his skin tone? She says it wasn't, but you know this whole debate is about words vs. actions. I guess I am saying such racism might be expected but it needs to be recognized for what it is.
Such an action is no different than some person from another race voting against BO because of the color of his skin and I am very much against that. VERY MUCH! Racism, well intended or not, is racism. I want to believe our country has risen above that, but maybe I am too much of an optimist. After reading some of these posts by the Obama minions, articles by the LV Sun writer Coolican, and by one anti-Obama person in these posts, I think I may well be an optimist.
A vote for Hussein Obama is a kiss of death for this country.
He is a Kuo from Africa and his cousin is that murdering Kuo that is trying to take over Kenya. They burned a church down with men, women and children inside and so far have killed 500 people. Obama attends a racist church and is friends with Louis Farrakhan. Farrakhan said he is remaining behind the curtain while Obama is on the trail so Americans don't vote based on the opinion of the leader of Nation of Islam. Of course, the media doesn't report this stuff. Obama's church blamed white America for 9/11. The church is racist and black supremists and so is Hussein Obama.
Oh Katy, based on your votes, one can only assume you left your intelligence in your other coat pocket when you came here. If you are informed, you would never vote for Hussein.
4 years of Bush
4 years of Clinton
4 years of Clinton
4 years of Bush
4 years of Bush
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20 years and only 2 families in the WH
do you really want more of the same stuff?
we are in the third millenium... what is the fear with going ahead fresh anew?
Is America wanting to go backwards?
Not me!!!... I LOVE AMERICA
No fear of the NEW
How about you?
Do you LOVE America?
Vote for
the one that has a Family,
the one that has Hope,
the one that has Integrity,
the one that shows LOVE,
the one that has Vision,
the one that doesn't lie,
the one that has high ethic standards,
the one that cares!
the one that has JUDGEMENT!!!
the one able to gather the best team we need!
the man that LOVES America,
Vote for Obama!!
Bill Clinton is a disgrace!!
(1)Jennifer Flowers was his mistress
2)Paula Jones-He sexually harassed her.She sued him,but he SETTLED out of court.
3)Monica Lewisy-She was a naive young woman.He had her do all kinds of degrading things to satisfy his sexual needs,including using a cigar for whatever.
(4)He was on tv,lied and said "I did not have sex with that woman."
He DISGRACED the whitehouse and the COUNTRY!!Now,why in the world would "ANY" WOMAN want to see him in the whitehouse,again,with the possibility of him seducing someone else's daughter
ChuyCP,
It's the BO-flavored KoolAid. Don't drink it. It's bad, it causes your judgment to be impaired.
SO you think Hussein Obama has judgement. What would you base that on - his words? You sure can't base it on his actions.
So you think Hussein Obama has high ethical standards. Again, what would you have based that on - again, his words? You sure won't find it in his actions.
Vision? Again, what would you have based that on?
Hussein Obama has done nothing to convince us that he is anything but a status quo politician. He and his wife are both quick to play the race card which means he is obviously a man who without principle.
He voted PRESENT 130 times when he was our state senator and why do you think he did that? He did it for politics, he did it because he believes politics end means more than principle.
I LOVE AMERICA!
I have made my homework in learning about the candidates that are now still running. I know who I am supporting. I don't want to convince you of anything. Follow your judgement, I am following mine, and I am not alone.
I am so happy today! I feel fine!! I see my candidate going very well.
:-)
I LOVE AMERICA
I vote for OBAMA...
ONE NATION, ONE CANDIDATE, ONE NAME - HILLARY '08
I don't hate Hillary supporters!!! I don't hate Hillary!!
This is about who is MY choice for leading my beloved AMERICA!!
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!
I am for OBAMA!
welcome aboard!!! this about love not about hate!
Hussein Obama voted PRESENT 130 times when he was our state senator because he placed politics over principle.
Obama's mantra, "yes we scam!"
Obama failed to vote in 160 out of 260 votes in the US Senate - obviously a man who places politics over principle, a man of words who knows nothing about action.
ONE NATION, ONE CANDIDATE, ONE NAME - HILLARY '08
The Hillary and the Republicans
Senator Clinton, on a winning position,
Held in her hands the NH victory,
Master Republican, by the odor attracted,
Held her with almost this language:
"Well hello, Senator Clinton.
You are so pretty! You seem to me beautiful!
Without lying, if your speech
Is comparable to your experience,
You are the Phoenix of the Democrats."
At these words, the Hillary was overcome with joy;
And to show his beautiful speech,
He opened her mouth wide: "I foud my voice", She inserts race in the race and dropped the presidency.
The Republican seized it, and said: "My good Senator,
Learn that every Divisive person
Lives at the expense of those who listen to her.
This lesson is well worth the US presidency without doubt."
The Senator, ashamed and embarrassed,
Swore, but a little late, that she would never be taken again.
But it was too late. a republican president was elected again.
why are you so unhappy Darryl?
(the clinton campaign should get their money back that they are paying you- you do them more harm than good)
you have run out of talking points so now you're only the muslim sleaze points?
darryl
darryl
darryl
try the high road
the air is clearer
Obama -08
rose : you talk about bill clinton doing things against the white house and the American people . He didn't do anything against me he did it against his wife .And monica was no naive young woman she knew what she was doing and the cigar was his cigar if you know what i mean. let me ask you this if you were married and your husband was doing that do you think he would say yes i had sex with that woman or try to save his hide. If monica did not want it or like it she would have cried rape i know if a man made me do something i didn't want to do i would tell big time, and not just tell a friend i would tell the cops. we had a president a long long time ago that was gay and his lover lived with him in the white house. And George H. W. Bush had a mistress before he became president and the whole time he was in the white house but thats ok right ???? I can even give you her name it was Jennifer Ann Isobel Petteson-knight Fitzgerald. She was his secretary when he was the head of the U.S. mission in Peking, China.
Hillary Clinton clearly beats all of her Democratic rivals on issues, which is why her rivals have to resort to demagoguery for votes. The Obama crew and those who are endorsing Obama know very well that they are trying to distort Hillary’s comments about the Civil Rights Act. What Obama’s campaign is not realizing is that most people are not as gullible, racist and superficial as the Obama campaign wants them to be when they vote. Clinton will bring REAL change to all communities. To suggest that the Clintons are racist is simply ludicrous. The Clintons have done more to preserve the lives of ALL minorities than Obama could ever do. We can’t eat hope. The Obama crew is playing games. People need to know that Hillary Clinton was absolutely right in her Civil Rights statement, and there is nothing sensitive or emotional about what she said. If Lyndon Johnson didn’t pass that Civil Rights Act there would be none. Why do you think Dr. King took his speech to Washington D.C.? She did NOT disregard MLK in ANY way, she pointed out that Johnson was responsible for IMPLEMENTING Dr. King’s dream! How is that racist? If black people let Jesse Jackson, a man who has done absolutely nothing for black people, tell them how to vote then black people are accepting a complacent, superficial stance in America. Black New Yorkers threw all their support behind David Dinkins and look at the mess he made in New York City. People must take away emotions and petty nonsense from their decision making. Vote for the candidate that will put food on your table and not for the next black face who sells you the Brooklyn Bridge. Once Hillary gets the opportunity to debate Obama on issues without media distortions and the distortions and demagoguery of the so-called black people, black voters will choose Hillary Clinton. We have work to do. We have an education gap to close and jobs to fill. We want a leader that is ready to lead on day one, not an orator. If Mexican people let the Union decide whom they vote for, they are completely wasting their vote on the rhetoric of “hope.” Clinton has stayed true to her campaign, regardless of the endless attacks. Hillary has been incredibly gracious, to say the least, during her campaign. Anyone who doesn’t see her as the best candidate for President is blinded by their own bigotry. The best hope for the shrinking middle class had better pin their hopes on Hillary Clinton who has the background to make the right decisions the first time. Certainly, Obama is charismatic and could be a great president SOME DAY. However, he will not be able to withstand the onslaught and scrutiny of the republican political machine. With Clinton, we have yet another Bush clone….who wants that???
Truly informed voters are voting for Hillary.
Nation of Islam?
Louis Farrakhan?
Black Power?
Check out Barack Hussein's churches website www.tucc.org
While there, check out their magazine on the left links. Trumpet Magazine http://www.trumpetmag.com
Notice the honorable and empowering Louis Farrakhan on the cover.
this guy is bad bad news people. WAKE UP! We can't afford the kind of change Barrack Hussein Osama, Reverend Wright,
and Louis Farrakhan want to bring us. Wright says America deserved the 9/11 attacks because of their racism.
Louis Farrakhan says the same thing and Barack Hussein is only best friends with both.
Farrakhan on his buddy running for president: "If avoiding me would help him to become president,
I'd be glad to stay in the background".
Sources:
http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/Obama_Chu...
http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=2937953
http://www.trumpetmag.com/home.cfm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZXeNk7H3...
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/ko...
It's all facts.
Look at the candidates and make up your own mind. Don't let the media control the votes. Both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have taken an incredible amount of money from corporations and their political action committees. That is who they will represent. If you think otherwise, you are fooling yourself and listening to rhetoric. They evidently can be bought and are following the rules of the old system. They do not represent change!
The media needs to stop hyping up the Democratic nominee choice as a choice between an African American and a woman just increase their viewers. There are really three viable candidates in the race for Democratic nominee for President. Not counting superdelegates, the delegates so far are Obama 25, Hillary 24 and Edwards 18.
IMHO, John Edwards is the only choice, if you want a candidate to represent the people. John Edwards is also the only true change candidate.
armymom,
Let it go. Youa sked my MOS and I gave it to you. Don't ask a direct question and then be clueless when you receive a direct answer. I know you care about Soldiers. I didn't say you offended Soldiers, I said you are anti-muslim.
I didn't know JC had ROTC, but I'd like that job; can you hook a brother up? We are at peace mom- Thank you for your support of the troops!
We all have let race become an issue just like the media wanted, and for everyone who wants to bring up Obama's family history, look no further than JFK, his daddy was no saint.
160 missed votes out of 4,000! now that's pathetic- for you to try to raise that as an issue. Did you see Hillary squirm on Meet the Press about her John Wayne speech in 2002 vs. Obama's superior judgement the same day. She got experience alright- Me, I'll vote for good judgement instead. Peace be with you!
OBAMA'S BAD JUDGEMENT
As if they have lost touch with reality, as if they are stuck in the last century, Hussein and Michelle Obama, along with all their minions decided to make this a referendum on race. They seem to think the majority of Americans - a majority that is not descended from Africa - is still swayed by liberal guilt. Sorry, that old "if the glove don't fit, you must acquit" mantra no longer works. We, as a larger group of people, are now deaf to that type of thing.
Michelle Obama was in and about the African American community trying to convice African Americans that they had to vote for Hussein because of the color of his skin. That in and of itself is racism, and she should be forced to apologize for sanctioning racism. If she isn't willing to do that, then they have no reason to start the aligator tears when some European Americans or South American Americans (see the absurdity of African American) begin their message that no one should vote for Hussein because of the color of his skin.
Oprah supported him even before she had any idea as to his character or the values he holds in his heart and she did so because of the color of his skin. She should apologize for sanctioning racism and she and all of her programs should be forced off television and radio (just like Imus) until she makes ammends and apologizes to America.
Hussein knew he was parsing Senator Clinton's words about JFK and Martin Luther King and he knew she was correct when she said it took LBJ to make MLK's dreams become a reality. He knows, as done anyone who has studied that era, that it was LBJ's decision to support the Civil Rights Ammendment that split the Democrats and caused a large block of white democrats to go to the Republican party. But obviously facts and history mean nothing if your goal is to re-write history.
But let's face it. Because he has no experience, because he cannot point to any actions he might have taken to further our country socially or economically, he has no choice but to play the race card. That is what his campaign has become, that same tire of crap from the 70's 80's and 90's. Not any more - we don't care - we don't hear it - we think it is a arguement that is used in lieu of having a record to run on.
Yes, I am afraid the BO campaign is now and has always been about race. He is trying to use race and liberal guilt to sway voters. Trust me, the more he does that, the more we will see the Bradley Effect increase significantly in states where there are primaries and the concept of one man, one vote actually means something.
Katy, you seem to be so "it's all about race" in most of your posts. So I simply want to know, since Obama clearly does not have the skill set or experience needed to manage our country in these very dire times, why would you vote for him? Is it about the color of his skin?
Is that your primary reason for supporting him? Again, it cannot be about his skill set because he simply comes up light there. So, is it about his skin tone - is that his primary qualification? I simply want to know. I have friends who will not vote for him because he is African American, and I have friends who are supporting him because he is African American; and as far as I am concerned, both camps are racist. So, what's your take on that?
To make one more related point, the same is true for Hillary. I have friends who will not vote for her because she is a woman, and I have friends who intend to vote for her because she is a woman and has the necessary skill set.
Katy, I will try one more time. Simply put, every rational minded person knows Hillary's skill exceeds Barrack's in every apsect. So please answer the following with a real answer - not more babble.
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Katy, you seem to be so "it's all about race" in most of your posts. So I simply want to know, since Obama clearly does not have the skill set or experience needed to manage our country in these very dire times, why would you vote for him? Is it about the color of his skin?
Is that your primary reason for supporting him? Again, it cannot be about his skill set because he simply comes up light there. So, is it about his skin tone - is that his primary qualification? I simply want to know. I have friends who will not vote for him because he is African American, and I have friends who are supporting him because he is African American; and as far as I am concerned, both camps are racist. So, what's your take on that?
To make one more related point, the same is true for Hillary. I have friends who will not vote for her because she is a woman, and I have friends who intend to vote for her because she is a woman and has the necessary skill set.
Here’s the Republican propaganda for the salesman:
Is it obvious that they let this rookie to have a free ride about his record?
Is it obvious that the Republicans aim the attacks only to Hillary Clinton?
Is it obvious that most of the Independents (Republican) are planning to vote for this rookie during the primary? They want him to win!
Republicans know they will eat him alive if he is the Democrat nominee. Here are the facts that Republicans will use against this rookie:
..Muslim blood. Muslim’s sons are Muslims for life. Blood is sticker than water. You can run but you can not hide.
..refused to say the Pledge of Allegiance. He did not want to offend ISLAM so he refused.
..claims he’s running on his record.. He did not even know how to cast a “Yes” or “No” vote. He voted more than a hundred time for present vote.
.. had 17 years’ old unpaid outstanding parking tickets. He should spend sometime in jail.
.insisted that his health care provides care to everyone, does he know what universal means?
..a fabulous orator, but we need more than words; we need a doer not a talker
..he says one thing and does another
..will meet with enemies without preconditions
..he said that he was not taking money from the Lobbyists. How about the Rezko connection?
..playing old politics as usual, after he promised hope and change….
..used to be a drug addict or a pusher?
…inexperienced, lack of accomplishments
jf,
Your best bet is to stick with the union. Like we're constantly told, people with much higher intelligence than ours have thought about it and this is what they decided. I pass this wisdom on when the shoe fits. Comfy isn't it.
Isn't it amazing how the motivational speakers Obama and Huckabee are being attacked so harshly from their own parties. Status quo is like a big bully and tries to stamp out innovation and real political progress. Go ahead vote for Hillary and 4 or 8 more years of partisan bickering and 2 to three pieces of legislation passed per year. Vote for Jeb after that and later Chelsea, but don't fool yourself into thinking you did it because they were the best candidates, MAN up and say you did it becasue you were afraid to stand up to status quo!
Awesome link Katy! When people put on their common sense hats and take of the rose colored glasses, they come to realize we need real change.
YES WE CAN!!!
jf, we are going ot have to agree to disagree, that's what is so beautiful about our country. You must be in IL?
OBAMA/EDWARDS 08!!!! YES WE CAN
No vote para Obama. El no tiene experiencia. El es un hombre malo malo.
VIVA HILLARY!!!!!!!!!
Katy, what the heck are you talking about?
Sober up!
Hey ArmySFCC,
Is it true you are only in the ROTC and not really in the military, yet? Is that true?
Katy, I watched your link and I was surprised. I find it funny that Ted Sorensen is still trying to ride on his Kennedy dime.
Sorenson sort of lied in stating Kennedy's national legislative experience in that he tried to give the false impression that John Kennedy was a one-term Senator when he ran for President.
JFK became a Congressman in 1946 and remained one until 1952 when he ran for and was elected a Senator. He served one term in the Senate, was relected for his second term and announced his candidacy for president in Jan. 1960. In total, he had 14-15 years in national government before becoming president.
Compare that to Obama who served in the Illinois state senate with a very mediocre record, made one speech that got him elected as Senator for Illinois. And in this time he has done virtually nothing. Now he thinks all it takes to be president is to talk.
George Bush is a likeable guy who likes to talk and look what that has gotten us.
ONE NATION, ONE NAME, ONE CANDIDATE - HILLARY '08
armysfcc you never did say what your MOS is and i have went back and reread your comments just to be sure i didn't miss it anywhere, nope i didn't . Me anti-muslim now i wonder why , oh lets see 9/11, if the men flying those planes that killed all of those people were not muslim then God forgive me i was wrong ,but i don't believe i am. Oh and i didn't know that junior colleges teach the army. If jc isn't a junior college please let me know, but i don't think your in the army, i do think you want to be tho. Me i am a Army brat, my first husband was in the Army and now my son is in the Army, so you want to throw more Army stuff at me let it fly. Also i can hook a brother up, i can hook you up with SGT.NELSON and then you can be a true soldier instead of talking smack.
To Derl and armymom, picture this geniuses.....
ArmySFCC= Army Sergeant First Class C**@@@##
18 years on active duty and counting. I appreciate your service Derl. Army mom you should be very proud of your son. Our young Soldiers are precious and priceless. Keep insulting me if you like, I've been called worse.
Si Se Puede' OBAMA 08!!!
Of course, Hillary and Barack would have skipped Nevada if Richardson had stayed in the race.
Kathy,
I love you i.e. I love what you write!
well thank you armysfcc,for telling me this time, my father would like to know where you are over seas fighting or on leave. my father a retired army colonel has been reading what we both have been saying to each other and he said i had to tell you i am sorry for questioning your MOS. I meant no disrespect but i will not say i'm sorry, you have been rude to me and alot of others on here just because they are not for SI SE PUEDE obama. you and others call darryl a troll because he speaks his mind. This is suppose to be a free country. I do love sparring with you armysfcc lol you keep me young. Hang in there darryl don't let them out do you lol. Can't wait to hear from you again armysfcc plat-daddy.
Army Mom, thank you for the kind words. I am pretty thick skinned and ARMYSFCC does not bother me in the least. He gives as good as he gets or whatever the saying is. You should have read what I said about his mommy. He even asked if I was a stand up comic.
BUT ARMYFSCC - I think it is supposed to be ARMYSFCCS - you forgot the last S - Sucker!
Michael, please go find your blocks and try to put together something a little more clever.
As state Democrats prepare to hold their Saturday caucuses, cynical Republicans might well encourage them to choose Sen. Hillary Clinton, figuring her high "negatives" -- the unusual number of Americans who tell pollsters they'd never vote for her under any circumstances -- would virtually guarantee a GOP victory in the fall.
That's why it's a good thing for Democrats that freshman Illinois Sen. Barack Obama has managed to challenge the perception of Sen. Clinton's "inevitability."
The Clinton campaign cites Sen. Clinton's "experience." In fact, she's a one-term-plus-a-year senator whose lackluster legislative record rivals Sen. Obama's. Other than that, the "experience" in question must surely refer to her presence as a witness and enabler during her husband's presidential terms.
Suffice it to say there are dozens of issues that Americans happily dismissed as "water under the bridge" as the Clinton era came to a close, but which would quickly ensnare Sen. Clinton and her party in a presidential race that would soon look like a struggle to escape the La Brea tar pits.
For starters, imagine Sen. Clinton and "co-president" Bill Clinton invited onto a "This is Your Life" talk show where they're joined by Juanita Broaddrick, Kathleen Willey, Paula Jones, Gennifer Flowers and Monica Lewinsky……
As Nevada Democrats head to their caucuses Saturday, they might ask themselves whether they really want to spend two months later this year watching a re-run of the horror movie "It Came From Little Rock," with the sound turned up much too loud -- or if they'd rather make it a real contest this fall.
If they prefer the latter, they're better off backing Barack Obama on Saturday.
http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/13832767.htm...
Barack Obama does little to inspire me when he is not scripted. He talks a lot about hope and uniting, but does not seem to have a plan to lead the country. Hillary Clinton seems to bring about more of the same blue state/red state divisiveness and Republicans can't wait to run against her.
John Edwards is the only candidate that has comprehensive plan to bring our country back together.
http://www.johnedwards.com/issues/
If you get a chance, see John Edwards in person. He is in Reno today, Las Vegas tonight and Henderson tomorrow.
http://www.johnedwards.com/nevada/events...
Go John Edwards!
Senator Mike Gravel on Barrack Obama
Reporter: What about Obama and his change message and rhetoric:
Mike Gravel: "Foolish, and dangerous. Because he doesn't even recognize that he can't deliver. thats dangerous. I would rather Hillary, at least she knows what she's talking about, he doesn't. Edwards probably knows better what he's talking about than Obama. Obama of the 3 is the most dangerous...he raises greater expectation of youth and can't deliver and the worst thing you can do is raise expectations they don't happen, you create a whole 'nother generation of cynics. And the youth that line up and haven't reasoned out what he's saying. Listen to the words, make up a speech and say change 10x, What specifically are you gonna change? i don't hear it. He doesn't say anything ... he's like an actor on a stage, he gives you a scene and you read into it, that's what he's doing, that's terrible. What you read into it isn't going to happen because he's gonna have the reality; the simplest one of all We have a 50 trillion dollar fiscal gap, there's no money to DO anything..."
I am an African-America female. Obama is too idealistic. He comes across as naive about how American politics work. He has no clue about what GWB and Dick Cheney has gotten our great nation into, and to think just because he desires it, that he can change it. Yes, we need change, and yes we can change it, but hope is not a strategy and nor is it a plan. He is inspiring, but too green to be president at this time.
There is a scene in the HBO drama "The Wire" where the new mayor of Baltimore, idealistic and hopeful like Obama, thought just because he pointed out all of the corruption in the city of Baltimore that got him elected that he could just march into office and change things. Now, he sits there, "green" and uncertain about how to govern the city after finding out just how corrupt the city government was. He's not as "hopeful" about change as he was while campaigning.
When I saw that scene, I thought about Obama. He, too, if he's lucky enough to get the nomination and then win the presidency, will discover that changing over 100 year old politics in Washington is not going to be as easy as he thinks. He will find himself not being able to keep his campaign promises.
I support Hillary Clinton. I am WOMAN hear me roar. A woman is truly real "change" in U.S. politics. And, "yes we can" as women bring about the kind of change that will benefit our nation in extraordinary ways. She is smart, tough when she needs to be, has been tested politically, and an international figure that is well-liked.
Obama's speeches, though inspiring, sound too much like words of an activist rather than a presidential candidate. They sound more like Martin Luther King speeches that carry a mantra of “We shall get to the mountaintop.”
Derl,
Please don't tell me you've gone dumpster diving again. Mike Gravel isn't exactly a person I would look to for wisdom...unless I wanted to make 3rd rate you tube videos.
Did you watch the debate last night? Hillary left the hatchet's handle sticking way out on the race thing. Rather than say Bob Johnson shouldn't stump for her anymore, her mind went KACHING!!! She would rather drink gasoline and... well you know the rest, versus upset that fool who let BET be turned into the black preteen porno channel that it is today. Everyone knew what he was referring to and noone even cares that he did, but to say she believed hi s explanation...that's weak- even weaker than your last crack at me!
armymom, listen to your dad. He didn't make it to Colonel for nothing. I will insult you later, I've got work to do :-)
For the last seven years, the Clintons have been laying low, avoiding controversy, and having Hillary vote in Congress with one eye on the polls. Now their campaign strategy is coming straight out of the Karl Rove playbook where tearing people down, mischaracterization of statements, and sneaky tricks like having surrogates attempt to block casino worker from voting. She is a pro at bring the politics of the past to this campaign.
If we could merge Obama's appeal/message and Hillary's experience/pragmatism, we would have a slice of heaven. Given we are at war, pragmatism is far more important to me. I don't think a top priority should be changing the tone and bringing people together, there is just far to much work to be done right now.
For those of you with a bad taste in your mouth about Hillary's past, I ask you to examine her record. Please do not let years of media messages define your opinion. Do some research.
VERY PROUD TO SUPPORT HILLARY CLINTON 2008
All change in America starts with ordinary people. Not only is the current administration corrupt and deceptive but it works to arrange politics to resist change. Hillary Clinton is a part of this politics of resistance. The only experience she represents is the roadblocks to meaningful change; the politics of taking turns; the quest to regain power; the resumption of old alliances. All to the exclusion of ordinary people taking back the government.
ARMYSFCCS,
Yeah, quoting Gravel is like gravel in my throat, but fun is fun. You have to wonder what those people in Alaska do to keep themselves entertained.
Many years ago my brother was killed in the Navy in Alaska looking for russian subs, and I would like to go there to see where the aircraft crashed, but I am afraid I might run upon Gravel and wouldn't have a microphone to protect myself. (you know, give him the mike and while he is detailing his Iraq policy, take off as fast as I can in the other direction)
Anyway, regarding Hillary's performance, she slapped those two boys into shape last night. It was apparent who the chairman of the board is and who the yes men are.
Hillary will kick any repbulican's but any day and last night that fact became very obvious. I don't care whether you support her or not, she is a no-nonsense CEO and that is what this country needs.
I am starting to feel sorry for John Edwards, but Obama is getting what he deserves.
Darryl,
You quoted Senator Mike Grave. He was on this race, where is he now? He dropped out of the race! Why? Was he so brilliant that the people in America could not see it?
sronmaxx,
You may be an African American, so what? Who cares? American people are too smart to make their decisions base on race or gender. Only losers and cynics base their decisions on race and gender. Come November, Hillary will not save the democrat. We don't want to go back to Clinton era. There more than two families in America that can lead us. Hillary will not have enough votes in this country to become a president. We want change! Hillary is not a change. She may be a woman, but she is a Clinton and the Clintons care only about themselves and power.
Clinton says that she will be ready from day one, suggesting that Obama or Edwards won’t. How presumptuous and arrogant! Obama or Edwards if elected would be ready to lead this nation. It is the moment that makes a person not the converse.
Humility is at the foundation of any success, because it forces people to select among options. On the other hand the presumption to be ready the first day is blind and inflexible, and arrogant. Hillary won’t even know that she is doing something wrong because of over confidence. That is more dangerous than anything else.
Army you disappoint me i figured you would have something more to say, but alls cool lol. I stop listening to my dad a long time ago. With my dad its always the army way.
Darryl,
You wrote:” regarding Hillary's performance, she slapped those two boys into shape last night. It was apparent who the chairman of the board is and who the yes men are."
Are you dreaming? During the last debate in NH, the talking heads said that both Obama and Edwards gang up against Hillary. Last night debate in NV, the two men gave room to Hillary. Now the talking heads, including you are saying that she won? First of all Hillary is fake. Secondly she is coached by her husband. So you cannot really believe what she is saying. Is Hillary speaking or is Bill? You don’t know. It is like she has multiple personality syndromes. And you want her to lead this nation? Believe me; the American people will not let it be...
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA'S UNION ENDORSEMENT IS HARASSING VOTERS INTO VOTING FOR HIM! SPREAD IT AROUND!
Culinary Union Intimidating Members to Vote for Obama
Reported from Las Vegas, Nevada
There's nothing dainty about Las Vegas but things are getting rough.
Intimidation. Pledges demanded. People to vote for Obama or stay away from the caucus.
Call this union vs. the casino workers.
I just did an interview with a Culinary union member who was intimidated while eating lunch in the cafeteria at work. She didn't want to give her name, but she wanted to tell her story. The connection is rough, but her story tells the tale. It's below in a podcast:
Culinary Union pressures members to vote for Obama.
Pamela over at Democratic Daily posted on a tip she received about the intimidation.
Jon Ralston talked about it this morning on MSNBC.
I just got off the phone with a unimpeachable source that there has been more than one confrontation between union reps and members.
This is not an indictment against unions, especially considering I joined my first union when I was in my teens, totally four eventually. Unions are the backbone of the middle class. But in every good group there lies opportunistic cretins. Obama's supporters are obviously applying Chicago style politics in Sin City and they've got three days to get the job done.
Meanwhile, you've got big shots like John Kerry talking about "let the people vote" doing so within a stacked system titled towards the Culinary union, with many of their members who'd much rather vote for someone other than Obama being intimidated and forced to sign pledge cards. Some will fight back, but most will not. From what I'm hearing, this is getting ugly. It's the opposite side, with the story actually being "make the people vote for me."
http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view...
Girly_Girl,
Thank you for posting that. It is exactly what everyone who opposed the "at large" work caucuses said would happen.
I like the Taylor Marsh website. It is going into my favorites. Thank you for making us aware of this talent.
Regards,
Darryl
Obama blueprint for change..... try once in his life to tell the truth. That would be a change.
Obama campaign mantra, "YES WE SCAM! YES WE SCAM!"
Darryl and Girliy_girl,
YES WE CAN and YES WE WILL
You may write whatever you want, Youmay not read at all. You may be blind and loud. You may distort everything. The Clintons may blind you. You may accuse Obama of every possible evil.
At the end of the day, American people white an non white. Young and old. Male and female will unite and reject division and the old way of destruction.
We the people are saying: YES WE CAN! YES WE WILL!
Dusacre,
Face reality. Obama will not carry one Southern State. Whether we like it or not, when the 527s get done with him, he will be lucky if he can carry two states out of 50. The problem is that when the voters turn away from the Democratic party in the GE, they will also vote for Republican Senators and we will lose control of the Senate.
Why won't Obama win? They are called 527s and they are legal and when they are done with Obama, his name will have less influence in our party than Kerry. Right now, even the Democrats don't want to hear anything from him and he was a war veteran and a hero.
Irrespective of your feelings toward people like me and Girly_girl and the others here who do not support Obama, you need to wake up to what will happen to Obama. They will gladly bring race back into this issue. Their catch phrases will include things like describing him as being the "Affirmative Action Candidate", they will try to link him to Muslim radicals. They will go after his wife and show his church as being anything but a Christian center.
You can get as mad at me as you please, but I am here to assure you that your candidate, Senator Hussein Obama will not be left alone from this point on.
By the way, just to make my point. Take a look at what the group SwiftBoot (not SwiftBoat) is trying to do to McCain. That is Bible School compared to what they will do to Obama.
Votar por Hillary!! I am a hispanic male and I appreciate Hillary for getting out in the public and going door to door. I got to speak with her and I appreciate her genuine concern for my race and America. I am a memeber of the Culinary Workers Union and I will cast my vote for Hillary based on my individual experience talking with her. She is the candidate with experience to change America and I hope others in my union will look past the union leaders and decide on their own. Hillary will make a positive change for this country!
Darryl,
You wrote:” Face reality. Obama will not carry one Southern State. Whether we like it or not, when the 527s get done with him, he will be lucky if he can carry two states out of 50. The problem is that when the voters turn away from the Democratic Party in the GE, they will also vote for Republican Senators and we will lose control of the Senate."
*** You are in NV; do you want to put your money where your mouth is? I bet you $10,000. If Obama is the democratic nominee and does not carry at least two states in the South, you get my money, other wise I get your $10,000.***
Darryl, Obama is our best choice to defeat the double talking Romney, the preacher Hackabee, the old McCain, or the broke Giuliani....
If nominated, Obama will become the US president!!!
I will even go for Edwards over Hillary
As I watch Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton on the campaign trail, I find them increasingly a study in contrasts, their differences evident not only in the things they say but in the fundamental nature of their respective campaigns. Hillary Clinton wants to be America's manager-in-chief, and her campaign shows it. Clinton '08 is a strictly managed affair from the top down, and that is how decisions are made: from the top down. Among Clinton's high profile backers is Martha Stewart, and Clinton '08 has all the earmarks of a Martha Stewart campaign, a campaign with not so much as a throw pillow out of place. In fact I should imagine that if one were to compare one of Clinton's speeches to a Martha Stewart address before a gathering of potential investors, one would find very little difference. Barack Obama, in contrast, wishes to lead by inspiring; and he has already demonstrated the ability to inspire many thousands across the United States and indeed around the world. If Hillary Clinton represents the market-model, managerial mentality of the 1990s, Obama seems to recall the political and social leaders of the 1960s, as many have observed - leaders who believed likewise that leadership was about more than just managing bureaucracy. None of America's greatest presidents are considered great because of their bureaucratic management skills. Abraham Lincoln's authorship of the Emancipation Proclamation was not an act of effective bureaucratic management, nor was JFK's dream to put a human on the moon by the end of his decade. If Barack Obama were not in possession of the basic skills required for the job he seeks, he would not have come as far as he has. Obama possesses far more, however, than the ability merely to be our chief pencil pusher.
It seems to me that many people here --including some who claim membership-- don't understand what the union is and how the unions work.
The Nature of a union such as the culinary is a group of working people who have joined together for a stronger voice in the workplace – a vote and a voice that speaks up for families, health care, safety, dignity and job security.
The members of a union don’t need to have initially the same view, but through internal negotiation, the group comes forth with the same voice that will make them stronger. In other word, the culinary have the right to debate amount themselves whom they want to vote for. Leave them alone.
Flippidy1 and all you union members,
Let assume that you are a member of the union. Do you know what strategy makes your union go for Obama? –It may not necessary be because all of you like Obama—
This is the first question you should ask the union.
What is your leverage as a union? –It may be because your union may have more negotiating power with your employer or local politicians, that the union will use later to give you more benefits—Those are some of the questions you should ask before deciding to go on your own.
The whole idea of the union is to give your a greater bargaining power that none of you can achieved individually. If you break apart you are loosing your bargaining power and you are weaker. So be careful.
Hillary is visiting you because she wants to divide you. At the end you are free to choose by yourself but as a union remembers that Hillary will not make your employer pay you higher wage, she will not ask your employer to give you better working condition, better health care, better life insurance, or protection during a strike.
Here again you should do what the Clintons do. Look for your own best interest first. Hillary will not be there next month, she will not be there when you are sick, when your children are sick and your employer wants to fire you. So think for what is good for you and your family before you make your decision. Hillary has already made a decision for what is good for her before she comes to your home.
All the people who are supporting you at this moment on the internet or at home will not be there when your child, your mother, you father, your sister or yourself will be sick and your employer will want to fire you. Believe me you will not be able to reach Hillary by phone! You will not even be able to find her phone number. But your union will be there. So be careful. This is the real world for you. Be wise. Here is America; if you don’t take care of yourself first no one will do it for you
Do not give up and vote for Hillary as the status quo. Do not hope that Obama can beat the Republican nominee. The media blitz for these two candidates has been playing into the Republicans hopes of retaining the White House for another four years. Nevada can make the difference this year!!
John Edwards has consistently shown that he has the biggest statistical advantage over all of the Republican candidates. John Edwards can win the national election, ensuring that this will not be a repeat of elections of 2000 and 2004. Do not inject doubt into the election by nominating an barely electable national candidate.
Caucus for John Edwards this Saturday and make him the front runner!
Armymom,
I sense a change in your rhetoric. I feel an OBAMA vote coming on. It's almost as gratifying as accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. If you seek Him you will find Him.
Are you and Derl getting paid to defend the Hillary Campaign?
When Obama's "Republican" fellow Illinios State Senator said he's never seen a young senator tackle so many tough issues as quickly as Barack and get the results he did" You have to respect that. I mean, the same guy is supporting John McCain.
I'm disappointed in Hillary though, not one phony tear shed in the debate, I guess as quickly as she found her voice/sympathy string, she threw it away for the rough and tough wild west as well as the low down dirty south. I heard she's gonna remove 3/4 of an inch of make-up to appear older for the Florida votes?
flippidy1,
Don't be so easy. You may find this hard to believe, but sometimes politicians pretend to care about things to get votes. All politicians go door to door to get a few votes, but Obama worked as a community organizer when no cameras were watching. He didn't do it for glory; he did it because he cared about his community. Sure Hillary winked a few times and may have even produced a twinkle in her eye when she spoke to you, but would she do it again tomorrow and the day after that? or just fake it long enough to steal a vote... you're better than that flippity
It sounds as though everyone is telling me how to feel and how to vote. I made a very personal decision on who to vote for and Hillary is my choice. Why is it that Obama supporters are throwing him down my throat? That is exactly what my union is doing. I am a good judge of character and I know the Hillary I met is a true character and not what the media and opposition portray her to be.
Flippidy1,
I don't pretend to tell you how to vote or how to feel. I am just saying that it is a good idea to look for what is most important to you and your family and your job. You may want to read my previous post.
flippidy1,
I have no doubt about your judgement or sincerity, but have you met Obama? Have you listened closely to Edwards? If you were shopping for a car would you buy the first one you came across or would you look around?
If in your mind you've seen enough, then I'm happy for you, me I'm still up in the air between Edwards and Obama.
Obama/Edwards 08!!!! Yes We Can!!!!
ARMYSFCCS,
If you are confused about what to do, cannot see with clarity the obvious correct course of action, you may well be Obama.
OUR NATION, OUR FUTURE, OUR CANDIDATE > HILLARY '08
flippidy1,
I am from Illinois. Obama is our Senator. He sucks and everyone but Chicago's south side would give him away to any state who would take him. Maybe Nevada needs another gambler. Thing is, I don't want someone like him gambling with our future.
You have made the right choice. Relax now and wait until the caucus. These people who are trying to misguide you, are simply lost in their own hatred of women.
katy,
I live in Illinois and I know what you've said is a lie. I am not sure why you chose to tell such a lie, but Barrack has done nothing for us - nothing. He might as well be on un-employment for all we're concerned.
Heck, Dennis Hastert, our previous representative in the House did more for us in a week than Barrack did during his term as a state senator or as a US Senator. If I had to make a choice about who to vote for based on actions, I would have to chose Hastert over Obama and that just drives me nuts.
katy must be part of south side coallition who have no understanding of what happens in the collar counties of Chicago and beyond.
Once you get past the South Side, support for obama is weak to none. But when has a liar like Katy ever listened to anyone but the voices in her head.
ARMYSFCC - You made my afternoon! :) Great post:
"Sure, Hillary isn't nearly as experienced as she claims to be and she is definitely not even capable of uniting wood glue and popsicle sticks, BUT she did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Go OBAMA 08"
Despite protests to the contrary, Saint Obama the Uniter has actively sought an opportunity to inject race into the 2008 campaign leading into Nevada and South Carolina. He couldn't find it, so they first went with "fairy tale" being racist to describe one of Obama's positions. Hardly racist. Then his campaign picked up on Clinton’s MLK comment and misinterpreted it. He needed to trick and incite African Americans, while distancing himself enough personally so as not to be obvious to whites, Hispanics and others.
Obama is a con man.
He needs to keep in mind, however, that if his race is going to held out as a reason to vote FOR him, it must also be a valid reason to vote AGAINST him. He can't have it both ways. I hope his disgusting race games ultimately crash his campaign.
Illinois loves Obama? Hah! If you think Illionisans love Obama, simply go to www.chicagotribune.com and read the comments from residents in reponse to stories about him.
Obama is a selfish fraud.
He promised us “change” in Illinois too -- but failed to deliver anything. He has NEVER inititated or supported the kind of fundamental changes that would improve our lives or rid Chicago (my hometown) and Illinois of the politics as usual that has crippled it. On the contrary, he has supported, and benefited politically and financially from our corrupt system here.
The media has an obligation to provide a more insightful and meaningful exploration of Obama's profound lack of record on the issue of “change” in Chicago and Illinois.
Obama has done nothing while on our payroll as our senator but cut deals to enrich himself (e.g. Rezko) and his wife (tell us, Michelle, what was the deal Obama cut that more then tripled your salary to $350,000 at the U of Chicago Hospitals immediately after he was elected to the senate?).
boy the Clinton trolls are really MAD today --
did something not go there way today???
From Obama’s church website (www. tucc.org/about.htm): “We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization.”
_____________
Call me old fashioned, call me foolish, call me racist, call me whatever you like, but I want the President of the United States to believe in and be “true” to America – not Africa.
YOU MIGHT BE OBAMA IF
YOU THINK AFFIRMATIVE ACTION IS ACTION!
YOU MIGHT BE OBAMA IF
YOU THINK UNCLE SAM SHOULD BE CALLED UNCLE SCAM
YOU MIGHT BE OBAMA IF
YOUR DEFENCE POLICY IS THAT IT SHOULD BE THE SAME COLOR AS DA HOUSE
That kind of crapis nasty, right?
Almost racist, right?
And yet when the 527s get started and peolple like Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reily, Shawn Hannidy, and Ann Coulter start on Obama. The attacks will be cold and endless and no one will care. It upsets me that this stuff happens but no one really cares and no one does anything about it.
Darryl -
Please STOP spamming the comment section here.
There's no need for it.
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Obama '08
What are friends for?
Farrakhan said that if Obama was avoiding controversial black leaders like himself, Rev. Al Sharpton, and Rev. Jesse Jackson for fear of alienating white voters it would be an acceptable price to pay for an Obama victory.
"If avoiding me would help him to become president, I'd be glad to stay in the background, because of the taint that's on the minister," he said.
http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=2937953
LVWranglersHockeyRocks,
Look at you, pretending to be all grown up and everything - gets to cast his first vote and like a 16 year old with a new car and a case of Olympia, you just want to put the petal to the metal all of that retro cool stuff.
Here is the real answer, girl of Oprah's dreams. I am not spamming. I am trying to help save the Democratic party in the GE and that can only be done by keeping idiolistic newbies and liars like Katy, AW, and Dusacre in check.
They would do the world a big favor if they could just get onboard the Hillary wagon, learn from the adults and knock this crap off. If they can't get on board, for the benefit of our country, then perhaps they can just go to the corner and keep quiet for a while.
The news tonight is that Dr. Phil's boss, Oprah Winfrey, may fire him for practicing psychology in California without a license.
I hope Obama's boss, Oprah Winfrey, will fire Obama for practicing politics without a license.
Spamabama,
Those $250 handouts which are pretty popular to Chicago's south side are nothing but bandaids on cut arteries.
Othan to give away money, Obama has no idea as to what should be done to turn the economy around. He could ask Oprah to invite every American to one of her shows and they could look under their seats and find the money. Oh, what a wonderful life it must be.
At least Bush had enough heart left in him to go over to Saudi Arabia and beg them to sell us more oil at lower prices.
Scamobama (aka Katy),
keep saying it, "YES WE SCAM! TES WE SCAN!"
Katy,
Doesn't it bother you in the least that Barack's minister, mentor and best friend publicly said the 9/11 attacks were deserved?
Dusacre i was in a union for many years and they never told us how we could vote. flippidy1 dusacre is right about what the union is suppose to do for you, but you should have got a book on the union rules, and no union i know of does it say in there that they can tell you who to vote for. Makes you wonder what they are getting in return for forceing you to vote for obama. Vote your heart as long as you pay your union dues they have to do their job and if they don't they can get into alot of trouble. the union works for you not the other way around. Without you the worker and the union dues there wouldn't be a union. The culinary union is going to get something out of this , they are wanting something from obama . Dusacre is trying to scare you into voting for obama . And katy can you tell me if the $250 in tax cuts and bonuses is that every month until the American people get back on their feet or is that a one time deal??????? Hey darryl go to seach the web and type in the state name and see how they are voteing for president, like texas presidential polls. Do it for every state.
Katy,
Are you able to answer a yes or no question?
Doesn't it bother you in the least that Barack's minister, mentor and best friend publicly said the 9/11 attacks were deserved?
SPAMOBAMA (aka katy)
Your candidate, SCAMOBAMA, is a status quo politician who lies about his record, lies about the Clintons being racists.
And he tells us he was against the war.... before he was for the war.... before he was against it! No wonder Kerry endorsed him.
Darryl,
And wait there's more..
“In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01,” Wright wrote in a church-affiliated magazine.
( TrumpetMag.com )“White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away,
faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.”
In one of his sermons, Wright said, “Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run!...We [in the U.S.]
believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God.”
As for Wright’s repeated comments blaming America for the 9/11 attacks, Obama has said it sounds as if the minister
was trying to be “provocative.”
Is that all? The minister was being feisty?
Katy,
Are you able to answer a yes or no question?
Doesn't it bother you in the least that Barack's minister, mentor and best friend publicly said the 9/11 attacks were deserved?
Darryl,
That's a valid point. Farrakhan, Osama, Wright and Oprah all live their and are all best friends. Must be the mecca if you will.
All three of these guys are in bed for the black supremacist cause and the trinity church is really a front for the nation of islam with strong ties to the black panthers which I believe is also based out of there.
Here's what Farrakhan has to say quoted from a liberal paper:
Farrakhan said that if Obama was avoiding controversial black leaders like himself, Rev. Al Sharpton, and Rev. Jesse Jackson for fear of alienating white voters it would be an acceptable price to pay for an Obama victory.
"If avoiding me would help him to become president, I'd be glad to stay in the background, because of the taint that's on the minister," he said.
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id...
well there you are army my little buddy, did you get giddy when you had that thought i was changing my mind about obama. Well let me inlighten you i am not changing my mind i am still voteing Clinton. And flippidy1 you vote your mind and don't listen to anyone else, this is suppose to be a free country. Oh army Jesus Christ is and also will be my Lord and Savior, you see in GOD i do trust and no one else, they can take it out of the schools , they can take it off of what ever they want but i will always say in GOD we trust, and i also think that the ten commandments should hang in every courtroom. And sweet katy you said you will be glad when obama is elected our next president so we could have a country to be proud of not one that is run by liars and lunatics, you know thats what they said when bush was running and we now have the worlds biggest liarer and lunatic in the white house. Armysfcc i love the way you cut down all who are voteing for clinton wink*- . And truth you and darryl and the rest they call the clinton trolls keep on rolling i'm right beside you.
Truth,
Amazing- I just heard Sean Hannity say word for word everything you've posted here, only several hours earlier. I guess the benefit to you is you don't have to think for yourself. You just simply slurp a little Hillary Kool-Aid (I stole it from you Derl) and spew out racism and foolishness. Get your own material, I'm sure Derl has collected plenty enough from his fisting, my bad, fishing expeditions.
Katy, you keep beating up on them like this and I may start feeling sorry for them... nah you keep up the good work.
Is a troll someone who get's paid?
If so, where do I sign up? I'm posting to save my country from a terrible mistake.
If I could get paid and save the country at the same time, that would be great.
I'm guessing Katy is paid. She just throws you the yes we can BS and calls it a day.
Turn on FoxNews right now. They have 3 guys exposing osama and his church.
armymom,
You may be so wrong about so much, but you're right where it matters most. Proverbs 3:5-6.
I want to encourage you, Derl and anti-truth to reveal yourselves as human animal hybrids. GW warned us about you all, surely you were created in some Chinese lab. Now don't get me wrong , I have nothing against human animal hybrids I just wish the animal chosen to cross breed with yall would quit going heee haaaawww!!!1 Just having fun yall. Okay Derl, can I do stand up with you now???
Figure this out truth, Fox News BAD!!!
Obama GOOD!!
It's so easy a caveman could do it!
OBAMA/EDWARDS 08!!!!!!!
YES WE CAN!!!!!! AND WILL!!!!!
Yes we can sit down with iran.
Yes we can celebrate 9-11.
Yes we can support a black only system.
Yes we can be totally committed to africa while blaming the whites and Jews for everything.
Yes we can celebrate louis farrakhan.
yes we can visit Gadaffi with farrakhan and show him our love while the US is bombing him.
Yes we can run the US with 2 years experience and a racist agenda.
Yes we can make farrakhan leader of foreign affairs.
If we want a country in 4 years though, NO WE CAN'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Barack Hussein Osama not in 08 or E V E R ! ! !
Obama thinks he is like the American President on "24" He also thinks he is another Lincoln. He is not. Lincoln was not black. Obama's wife wants to be front and center and was seen "Jiving" on the podium and kissing him in public. We white folks sure don't want that. She also said "an't no white folks in Iowa" .
Great grammar for the "No kids left behind " program.
It is apparent that he favors black people because the wife he picked is blacker than he is. If elected, he would see that no black person is arrested for crimes. Our country will be like "Planet of the Apes".....
Hilary will do just fine and she is attractive. She is highly intelligen. We had some some good years under the Clinton's and more will come. No, Americans are not ready for people of no subs
Katy is a hack for Obama. A full time poster who is everywhere here crying out for Obama.
That kind of crazy support is too much and it makes you wonder why so nutty for Obama. The Clintons are a great team.
The President and Senator Clinton have 35 years of doing great things for this country and we're in a time where people have real issues. The 1990's proved they could do it and I just don't believe in the argument that you should throw people away for doing a great job.
This election isn't about Union bosses, it's about workers. It's about mothers and fathers and real people so I'm glad that Hillary has been calling out the fact that a recession is on the way. She said so, put out a plan, Obama copied her, and on the news it just said that the Fed and White House are about to make money available to start slowing down the housing market decline.
If she can get that ball rolling in the election I can't wait to see what she can do as President. If South Carolina is voting for Obama anyway, caucusing for Hillary is the only way NV gets any say.
Amen mom.
Commit some ink and time to printing and handing out the links below and you will truly being doing what's best for this country.
Nevada is a momentum builder.
Barack Hussein can not get in!
The links below are from liberal and conservative publications alike. If you print a lot of copies and get them in front of as many people as you can in the next day, we should have a shot.
There is no denying publicized facts and once you see the facts, you have to doubt what this thing wants to do.
Do it!!
http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/Obama_Chu...
http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=2937953
http://www.trumpetmag.com/home.cfm
http://www.tucc.org/scholarship_pdf/blac...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...
http://www.trumpetmag.com/pdf/nov_dec_ma...
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/ko...
Just so we are clear.. Don't literally print the links but open each article and print them.
Go Girl : )
army i may be wrong about so much, see you said may be wrong i'm impressed. You are quoting the bible, heres one for you proverbs 3:35. don't quote the bible anymore God does not care who we elect as president. So lets not bring him into the debate. I like sparing with you so don't ruin it. You are not going to change my mind about obama so don't even try. I'm voteing CLINTON
I wonder how people can forget how much the Clintons have shamed us in the Whitehouse for eight years? Do you seriously believe that Clinton will win the republicans come November?
No wonder the Clintons will do you over and over: you have short memories and may be the lack of ability to connect to the big picture.
The behavior of Clinton in the 90s turned off a lot of democrats to start with. Had Bill behave better, many more people including democrats would have voted for the democrats, hence Al Gore would have owned. We would have had enough votes, delegates, and we would have won enough states to render the recounts and the Supreme Court irrelevant on determining 2000 elections
Just look at the transition Reagan and Bush. Bill Clinton was such a liability for the democrats so that he could not even campaign for Al Gore.
The intellectual ability to connect the cause and effect is very necessary in politics. Those who don’t have it will always be used by people like the Clinton. They just need to do a make over, and people will follow them again. Look how e
Hence Al Gore would have won. We would have had enough votes, delegates, and we would have won enough states to render the recounts and the Supreme Court irrelevant on determining 2000 elections
You should listen to Katy. Hillary cannot win in November
Please go caucus for Obama and tell everyone about Clintons and their record.
Anyone who wants to see the true Hillary, ask her or her supporters why she waffled after initially supporting NY GOV. Spitzer's plan to grant Drivers Licenses to illegal aliens in NY State; remember that terrible debate answer and then the aftermath in which she received a lot of negative airplay. The former President Bill Clinton asked the Governor to pull his plan so Hillary would not have to answer any more questions about it to get her off the hook. Look it up. That is the big supporter of Latinos.
Please call out Obama on his comments in the debate and check with any relatives or anyone else you know in Chicago to see if he has that kind of record there of saying anything to win the moment and move on with your vote to the next audience.
The Clintons record in the White House is they never stayed around to fight for us. They caved in on Affirmative Action and Welfare Reform, and most importantly, their Crime Bill that they brag put so many more officers on the street is also singularly responsible for a generation of historically high incarceration rates for black and brown people in this country. We also have the Clinton years to thank for the mandatory sentencing guidelines, eliminating the discretion of judges, and the disparity in sentencing between crack/cocaine sentences.
We Democrats mobilized to rally around them in 1998 and defend them from attacks, and that was entirely appropriate then. But they are the attackers now, attacking our Union and Obama just to make some kind of triumphant return to the White House; and we have to let them know that we love them but we need bolder, bigger cajones this time around. We need a homerun to sweep in majorities in both Houses of Congress with a message of hope and unity; and then we can claim a mandate to enact sweeping changes in legislation.
The truth that everyone reading this knows in his/her heart is that:
1. Any of our three Democratic candidates CAN win in November.
2. Only one could just as easily lose. (HRC is the only candidate with higher negative ratings than favorable one among all DEM and REP candidates)
3. And only one could win HUGE. (Obama has the biggest margin between favorable and negative ratings among all DEM and REP candidates)
We gotta go for it! This is why the female Senator McCaskill from MO and Gov. Napolitano from AZ along with Native American Sen. Nelson of Nebraska all endorsed Obama last week. No one wants the name Clinton on top of the ballot in their state, except the Republicans.
So please don't stay home. Everyone must go out Saturday and share your views with your neighbors. Go For It. And Ba-Rock the Vote!!!
mom,
You keep mispelling voting and it seems as though you're saying that you're vetoing Hillary. In which case, I agree with you one hundred percent.
I wasn't really quoting the Bible to sway you, It was to concede that you will vote what is in your heart.
I must say as someone who voted for Bill Clinton once, this campaign is really beginning to take a toll on his legacy with me. He suddenly doesn't seem like the gracefull and emotional connector-in-chief, he seems disengenuous. His denial of the Clinton mafia having anything to do with the failed lawsuit the teachers union filed is madness. It has always been an advantage to democrats and to America when a large percentage of people vote. Why is Hillary trying to stifle the votes of working hispanic families?
The total number of delegates for the Democratic National Convention is 4,049 delegates. Currently, Obama has 25, Hillary has 24 and Edwards has 18. It is NOT a foregone conclusion that the race has been decided and that the choice is only between Obama and Hillary. DO NOT BELIEVE THE MEDIA HYPE. Both Obama and Hillary are too divisive to be an effective candidate.
Bring back some sanity and civility to this race by choosing John Edwards.
"There's a wall around Washington and we need to take it down. The American people are on the outside. And on the other side, on the inside, are the powerful, the well-connected and the very wealthy.That wall didn't build itself or appear overnight. For decades, politicians without convictions and powerful interests gathered their bricks and their stones and their mortar, and they went to work. They went to work to protect their interests, to block the voice of the American people, and to stop our country's progress. They went to work to protect, defend, and maintain the status quo.
"You have a choice in this election. You have to decide what kind of person you want as your next president. Do you want someone who is going to pretend that wall around Washington isn't there, or defend the people who helped build it? Or do you want someone who is going to lead with conviction and tell you the truth, and have a little backbone? Do you want someone who is going to hope that the people who spent millions of dollars and decades building that wall, and have billions more invested in keeping it up, are going to be willing to compromise, to take it down voluntarily? Or do you want someone who is going to stand up to those people and fight for your interests, when the chips are down, when your backs are against the wall, every single day?
"We have a choice in this election. We can keep trying to shout over that wall. We can keep trying to knock out a chink here and there, to punch little holes in it and hope our voices get through. We can settle for baby steps, half-measures and incremental change, and try to inch our way over that wall and toward a better future. Or we can be bold and knock it down. …
-John Edwards, DNC Fall Meeting
Knock Down That Wall! Don't vote the status quo and vote in another corporate Democrat.
Make a statement tomorrow and caucus for John Edwards.
FJR,
It is almost humourous to read posts such as yours where selective memory is at play.
Sen. Clinton never said she was for granting licenses for illegal immigrants. She said she understood why Gov. Spitzer was considering them: it was because the federal government had done such a poor job of protecting our borders and that failure was costing the individual states billions of dollars every year. Every state is having to find its own way of coping with that failure.
But let's consider Senator Clinton's statement during the debate where someone put words in her mouth with SCAMOBAMA'S stand on the Iraq war
- where he was against it,
- - before he was for it
- - - before he was against it!
SCAMOBAMA must have had Kerry for an advisor.
Regarding SCAMOBAMA's tendency to say anything to win the moment:
>>> The truth is this man of words and no action lets his wife RACEORAMA SCAMOBAMA do his dirty work for him, where she went around the country tell African Americans they have to vote for her husband BECAUSE HE IS BLACK! YEAH AINT THAT THE SOUL OF A VISIONARY AND A UNITER. Well, he used her and every other race-motivated shakedown artist on Chicago's south side as a means to an end.
Trust me, he is not liked outside the collar counties of Chicago for a number of reasons, the largest of which is he does not back up any of his SCAMORAMA words with action.
The only thing SCAMOBAMA might win is the publishers clearing house sweepstake
- which by the way, is his economic plan to start the country's economy: have the United States government enter the Publishers' Clearing House sweepstakes and HOPE we win - another of SCAMOBAMA'S magic words.
Obama is much more progressive than Clinton, and yet he still appeals to many more Independents and Republicans than Clinton. If we want to get things done in DC, the right way, Obama is the one who has a history of creating the working majority necessary to accomplish it -- be it social security, medicare, a meaningful energy policy, enhanced natl security to real health care and a vibrant economy. Clinton's campaign continues to spread ridiculous and misleading information about Obama, which is just a signal that the old guard is threatened and is fighting for the position it feels entitled to. Long time loyalties to the family from Arkansas should give way to a true movement of change that isn't based on partisan politics. Vote your conscience. Vote Obama.
Obama is a puppet of the loser John Kerry....please, the same John Kerry who lost an election that the Easter Bunny should've won....give me a break.
We know nothing about Obama, the media won't touch him for fear of being called 'racist' thereby doing us all a disservice. We have no idea who Obama is or his past and his dealings in some rather shady areas. I'd like to see a full investigation before I give him my vote.
I hear he supports Louis Farrakhan the muslim hater of white people, where is the denouncement by the Obama camp on this? I'll tell you nowhere!
I don't know who I will vote for, but I will not vote ever for a racist white or black (yes you can be racist and black, I see it every day) and it is racism in the media that won't investigate a black man for fear of being called racist. Remember Bill Clinton's ill advised answer of how "he didn't inhale?" Please, that was a joke, but the media jumped all over it.
Why won't the media ask the same of Obama? Did he or did he not deal drugs? What kind of cocaine use are we talking about here? When did it stop? I want to know the facts.
Obama to me is an arrogant, spoiled brat, he is no JFK or MLK and is at the beck and call of John Kerry now, that spoiled spouse of a very rich woman. I would and did not ever vote for John Kerry for anything. Mr. Kerry, shut up already, you lost an easy campaign, just go away to your troll hole in Massachusetts with the 'gin mill' Kennedy.
Katy, refute what I said in my last post. I am right which is why Clinton leads in every poll but Illinois.
BBRI, what really supports the points you made is that Johnson, the founder and head of BET, made a comment about Obama and what he was doing when the Clintons were risking political capital for the benefit of African Americans and Johnson was raked over the coals for his comment.
It is okay for Obama to write about it in a book, make money from it and be seen as someone who came from the depths, but when someone else comments on it, that is out of line? I am personally sick of this stuff - sick of Obama's wife telling African Americans they have to vote for Obama because of his skin tone but then screaming racism when anyone else he approaches the subject.
Irrespective of who wins this caucus, the Obama camp needs to clean this stuff up.
Oh army i am so sorry that i did not spell VOTING right, will this make you feel better V O T I N G. No i am not vetoing hillary just vetoing obama. I know you think that if you don't vote obama your not smart, can't wait to see what have to say on that one. Everyone talks about what bill clinton did while in the white house with monica. So what he got a BJ i'll be nice and say BJ. He didn't stick it out the window and say here America monica is going to smoke my cigar and it's against you, pleassse. If all you guys in here would admit it you would not have turned her down if you were in clintons place. He didn't sin aganist the American people, it was a sin aganist his wife. There are men all over the world that are getiting them this very minute and not all from their wives. Oh i wish they would bring back all the mafia, we wouldn't have the gangs taking over and killing kids in drive by shootings. VOTING HILLARY 08
armymom,
You are going to get plenty of men in the room in trouble with talk like that. This country needs to move forward and Obama/Edwards is the way. Hillary keeps talking about fixing things that she helped break over the past 15 years. Sometimes when you drain the bathwater you need to scrub the tub. Hillary residue is tough, but Obama/Edwards 08! is a potent solution that can clean this party back to squeaky clean.
Hillary Clinton will say anything to get a vote. I'm listening to her lie to a Reno crowd about how she would destroy the NoChild Left Behind Act. The crowd applauded on cue, she winked and moved on to the next lie. Dec 18 2001 she was pleased to vote yes on the No Child Left Behind Act, but now she's against it. She voted for the war in Iraq, but now she's against it, she voted against the Help America Vote Act in 2002 and now she wants you to vote for her. This woman has poor judgement and lacks sincerity. Whe need a strong progressive with good decision making skills and Barack Obama is that person. I also like John Edwards and I wish they would quickly form a coalition.
OBAMA/EDWARDS 08!!!!!! YES WE CAN!!!!!!
Hillary Clinton will say anything to get a vote. I'm listening to her lie to a Reno crowd about how she would destroy the NoChild Left Behind Act. The crowd applauded on cue, she winked and moved on to the next lie. Dec 18 2001 she was pleased to vote yes on the No Child Left Behind Act, but now she's against it. She voted for the war inIraq, but now she's against it, she voted for the Bankruptcy Bill that is causing many to have their homes foreclosed on, but now she has a plan to fix it. I have a better plan. I plan to vote for Obama because he has demonstrated superior judgement at crucial times.
Obama/Edwards 08!!!!
HILLARY WINS! HILLARY WINS!
NOW THE OBAMA PEOPLE WILL HELP HER IN THE GE, RIGHT.
Little ole me get someone into trouble neverrrrrrr lol. You are sounding a little guilty there army humh. So you are saying that hillary is the only one telling lies, i beg to differ, obama has told some to watch the news. Hillary won nevada and everyone said obama was going to take it because of the culinary union workers, guess they went against the union. How could they get it soooooo wrong. I checked the polls for other states and Texas, Oklahoma , Az., Nm., Ca., and Fl. have hillary ahead of obama in the polls thats just a few but there are others that have her ahead of obama. HILLARY '08
JCJCD - stop spreading your propaganda videos on youtube!
You have been uploading hundreds of videos and have DISABLED the comments and ratings on them because you don't want users to post the reality on your videos!!!!
YOU ARE NOTHING BUT DIRTY! Your smearing tactics are very deceitful and we will get you REMOVED from YOUTUBE for your propaganda and dirty smearing attacks. You are as DIRTY as the party you're campaigning for, the Clintons.
SHAME ON YOU for posting hundreds of videos!! People are catching on to what the Clinton campaign has been up to... Smear campaigns and dirty attacks.
Everyone realizes how dirty the Clinton camp is. SHAME on you jcjcd! Everyone who's against his nasty actions and attacks, complain to YouTube and have jcjcd's videos removed! Be a man and allow people to be able to respond to your videos instead of hiding. You know the truth hurts and you just want to suppress the American people's say! Time to take action against jcjcd!!!