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I have previously wondered how many Angle tapes are out there to compete with the jobs/Social Security/slush fund/Government is not God classics. I know the answer is: A lot. But I am starting to think there may be one a week (or more) floating around in the cyberspace ether, some of which Angle took off her website after the primary. (But nothing on the Internet is ever really gone, is it?)
Case in point: On today’s fifth anniversary of Katrina, a Democrat supplies a tape of Angle during her 2006 bid for Congress talking about how she would have opposed the $62 billion in relief that only 11 House members opposed (no one in the Senate voted no). The federal version of “41 to Angle,” perhaps.
During an interview on conservative KLAV radio in 2005, which she once had up on her site, Angle invoked Indiana Rep. Mike Pence, who she claimed said he was voting "no" because the Katrina money was not carefully accounted for. The truth is Pence actually wanted the money to be offset – Human Events was so proud of him, it gave Pence “Man of the Year” in 2005.
But Pence actually voted FOR the $62 billion. His “yea” is right there in the congressional record after someone named Pelosi.
The day after the Sept. 8, 2005, vote, even House Majority Leader Tom DeLay told The Wall Street Journal: “It's too important to play politics with. It's too important to second-guess."
Contemporaneous news stories indicate Pence the budget hawk was taken to the woodshed by Speaker Dennis Hastert and Delay, presumably because his demands for offsets were not so politically wise in his leaders’ minds. Pence and his Republican Study Committee continued to push for offsets after the vote, pointing out ballooning deficits and angering many with their talk of cuts.
This kind of stuff is right in Angle’s wheelhouse, and judging by her more recent position on unemployment benefits – that they spoil the unemployed, even if they are offset – it’s reasonable to assume that Angle would have voted "no" even if any offset had been approved. But listen to what she said – I have posted the audio at right – and make your own call. This is the classic debate – are there times when relief, to hurricane victims or unemployed folks, takes precedence over deficit-reduction, at least in the short run?
The Republicans can and will keep airing Harry Reid uttering his infamous “war is lost” remarks. But most of his controversial, 30-second-ad-ready comments are not on tape. Almost all of Angle’s are. Her problem is she keeps creating so many recent ones that the Democrats haven’t had to use as many of the old ones.
I would have too.
When is someone gonna admit that building a city under sea level is ok, If you want to suffer the risk yourself and stop making me pay for your mistakes or stupidity!
She doesn't have a compassionate bone in her body. No to Katrina relief funds and, lest we forget, the BP "slush fund" for the Gulf oil spill, and no unemployment relief. Victims should "make lemonade".
I sure hope yall come to your senses and keep that Angle lady out of office, because I live in Missouri, land of the tea parties, and we are laughing at you. You would have Ensign and Angle as your senators. Good luck, Nevada. Hope you don't need anything from the federal government in the next 6 years.
http://www.bgladd.com/SharronMangle_Thar...
The woman is a dolt.
Again - Another waste of time meandering from liberal hack writer Ralston about something that means nothing.
Back to real issue at hand - FIRE HARRY REID - The man with the proven miserable record.
The numbers don't lie -- Here it is backed up with the facts.
Unemployment Rate
When Democrats took over the whole Congress in January 2007 = 4.6%
When Democrats still controlled Congress by a huge majority July 2010 = 9.6%
Nevada unemployement rate today = 14.3%
Federal Annual Deficit
When Democrats took over the whole Congress in January 2007 = Deficit for FY 2006 was $247 Billion
When Democrats still controlled Congress by a huge majority July 2010 = Projected $1.3 Trillion for FY ending Sept 30, 2010
Federal Debt
When Democrats took over the whole Congress in January 2007 = $8,7 Trillion
When Democrats still controlled Congress by a huge majority July 2010 = $13.2 Trillion
Also, note that if projections hold true the Democrat controlled congress during the Obama Administration will add a whopping $6.5 Trillion through 2012.
No doubt Democrats have controlled congress for nearly 4 years and are worthless and destructive.
@tbvegas-
YEAH! YEAH! YEAH!
And, while we're at it, let's forbid the building of cities in [1] hurricane path zones generally, [2] earthquake zones, [2] areas prone to tornadoes every year, [3] locales prone to too much rain periodically, [5] locales prone to drought (there goes the unsustainable Vegas), [6] locales proximate to volcanoes, [7] places where it get SO cold in the winter that humans could not survive in the elements, [8] ________________(fill in the natural liability of choice).
Dude, you are truly mindless. With respect to "below sea level," Google "Netherlands," you dufus. You could be Sharron Mangle's Chief of Staff.
You guys starting to notice the desperation coming from the REID campaign ?
"Sharron Angle, the right wing extremist that goes to church and prays everyday - Oh No, hide the children, she could destroy these kids."
The end is coming soon for the competent HARRY REID.
New Love Triangle Commercial with REID, Pelosi and the high supreme incompetent himself, Barrack Obama.
Classic Commercial -- Has Reid actually hugging Obama - I think he should kiss him too while he is at it.
How bout that racist Harry Mangle ? "Barack Obama -- whom he described as a "light skinned" African-American "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one"
@bookofdoubt -
"Desperation"?
Prior to Sharron Mangle, he probably rightfully thought he was finished, such is the antipathy he generates (some of it deserved, some of it mindless). Had not Sue Lowdon incinerated herself with the pathetic "chickens for checkups" debacle, he'd probably be by now trailing by 20 points or more.
Inconvenient polling result for you: TWO-THIRDS of GOP peeps wish they had someone other than the execrable Sharon bin al Mangle.
This is gonna remain in doubt right up to election day. Maybe even beyond.
Ralston must get paid to manufacture new Angle controversies. When one doesn't exist, go make one up. This is not going to save Harry Reid from his miserable record, no matter how many times they try to change the subject. Hey Ralston, Hey Harry, WE GET IT! You want us to think Angle is too extreme. You've told us already 400 zillion times. Do you really have to tell us another 400 zillion times?
"Do you really have to tell us another 400 zillion times?"
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Apparently.
She is intellectually unqualified, beyond measure.
@DarenDawg - Like I said they are getting desperate and that is why you see these constant character assassinations.
When you have no record to stand on, what are you going to do ? Reduce yourself to shouting insults at your opponent.
It's all over for the boy -- His supporters know it too as they leap in desperation to his defense. Can you imaging having to defend Harry Reid ? Oh My !
This should explain to you everything you need to know about Harry Reid from a business channel. This is why we want the incompetent REID FIRED now !
Search Youtube
Nevada's Soaring Unemployment Rate Under Harry Reid's Failed Leadership
Pass it onto all Nevada voters
"Reduce yourself to shouting insults at your opponent."
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I agree. Shouting her OWN words back at her point up how insulting they are.
The Wingbat Dolt Harry Reid admits he is a moron.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTN7esjWF...
This is for Conservatives and members of the military. Democrats don't care about defending our nation whether it was Harry Reid's comments about how we lost the war or their refusal to protect us from murder on the Arizona Border.
The Lies Of Senator Harry Reid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZASD4KDf...
She ain't called 41-to-Angle for nothing.
Dear Harry,
Thanks, but no thanks. You SUCK man.
"Harry's Hypocrisy" - AFFPA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xGCMsbST...
FIRE REID in NOVEMBER !!!
How crazy is Crazy Angle?
This crazy: She said she would've voted against the funding that both Tom DeLay and Mike Pence voted for. That puts her to the right of two extreme right-wingers.
OMG. The more we learn the loonier she gets.
Jon Ralston has a new story ready to print that Sharron Angle wouldn't give one of her children any allowance on December 4th, 1978 at 8AM in the morning.
Oh, that heartless cruel crazy sick woman. God help us.
Weaker by the byte, bookofdoubt.
"8AM in the morning."
LOL. Did you get that from the Department of Redundancy Department?
Real thinker, you are.
This is what you get when you elect Democrats. Now you know why congress is totally incompetent. Two and half minutes of sheer comedy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs23CjIWM...
bookofdoubt is in a fevered panic and with good reason.
Every one of Crazy Angle's supporters should be afraid, very afraid, because the internet has a long memory and Crazy Angle has a big mouth combined with a small brain.
There's plenty more Anglelisms to mine and the deeper we dig the crazier she gets.
I hate to say this but if you or anyone in this stae votes for Angle, you need to be pronounced brain dead and an absolute idiot.
There's nothing else to say because when it comes to stupidity,she keeps on giving every day.
Oh were real scared all right. Leading in the most accurate poll over the years and running against a total failure in Harry Reid.
Yah - Scared -- Right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA7WjgJ6Q...
What I hear is her questioning how the money will be spent....instead of writing a blank check. Dont we need more of this.
Ralston, listen again...such liberal spin on this by you is leaving you with no creedibility.
She did not say no, she said how is it to be spent before she says yes. The blank check writers is why the USAis in this deficit today
@VPIN -- "I hate to say this but if you or anyone in this stae votes for Angle, you need to be pronounced brain dead and an absolute idiot."
More Character Assassinations from the Harry Reid Losers who have nothing positive to offer except a proven failure.
Nevadans will not elect Crazy Angle because her positions are so far to the extreme right, more so than any conservative politician out there.
She's a nut, plain and simple, and sane folks do not vote for a proven nut.
Hope you're right, LastThroes. Lotta stupid people out there. Just scroll back up for the evidence.
"Character Assassinations"
More like self-inflicted wounds.
You're right BobbyG. Plenty of uninformed voters out there for sure but still non-crazy people are afraid of electing the mentally ill.
Also 'Character assassination' is their new catch words.
It's in every other lame post they put up.
That's right folks. Everyone has figured out the loser Harry Reid's campaign game of character assassination. People all over Vegas mention it now.
The Boy is Cooked in November. Reid has no record to stand on so he results to insults and name calling.
Reid is a proven failure in Congress and a total embarrassment to Nevada FIRE HIM NOW !!! Look at this loser on the Senate floor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niPmXym7u...
i wonder if she would vote to send money to third world dumps like haiti, or send aid to nations that dump on us?
She doesn't have to be smart to vote "no" to everything, in lockstep with the "party of no". Did she "blink" before she joined Bachman, et al. in the "slush fund" pity party for BP? If BP doesn't pay for the economic loss to the Gulf area and the cleanup, the taxpayers would have to. Eliminate the EPA so there's no regulation and authority to make polluters pay to clean up their environmental damage. The taxpayers will have to pay for it.
If we could ever see a debate that will answer a lot of questions for the undecided no.
I've only been gone a few years, I come back and and find my beloved state in chaos... what are you simple minded fools doing to my beloved state,? Where in the hell did you come from? I recognize all of you non natives, just by the tone of your stupidity, and you sure as hell don't know what Nevada is about, you don't even know About Harry Reid!!!!, However, seems like everyone of you is an expert in Nevada politics... I'll be glad when the elections are over, Harry gets back to work, and I can see all of you STARVE to death, waiting for the BUSH resurrection...........
Jon Ralston, sorry, but you really can't be trusted. I am voting for Angle, Sinsiter Reid will be out come November.
I don't care whether she prays and talks to her god everyday, and I didn't need to know about it. Religion does not belong in the government of this nation. This country was founded on principle - to keep religion separate from government. She's the one exploiting religion to get votes, she said god told her to run for congress, she said entitlements are immoral and idolotrous, she believes in biblical law, etc. It's the exploitation that is so offensive, unscrupulous, ruthless, and blasphemous. She wants to amend the Constitution so preachers can tell their congregations who to vote for and still keep their tax-exempt status. She should go live in a theocracy in the Middle East if that's what she wants. Oh, I forgot, she can't live there, they have mosques and black burqas. How about Chile then, she likes their privatized social security system. "Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide."
bookofdoubt:
Is that creepy or what? Senator Reid should be consider legally crazy,what does he expect us to do, go back to the horse, and buggie. I'll bet Ralston will never report on this. He acts like someone from another planet
Bluejeans:You sound pretty crazy yourself, and you talk about Sharron Angle, too much emotion, and with that good night. Vote for Angle
"I am NOT in the business of creating jobs". - Sharron Angle
AnUnquiteMind- It is not her job to create jobs! Why is it so difficult to understand? She has responsibilities that she is accountable for, creating jobs is not one of them. That job belongs to other people, like the Sec. of State. If she works on creating jobs then you will attack her for ignoring the job she was hired to do... there is no way for her to do anything right based on your logic.
Hey, Republicants! This is what you got when you crawled into bed with the teabaggers. Sure, it felt good for awhile, but now it's like a cancer feeding on your brains.
Talk about teabagger hypocrisy.
Crazy Angle's husband draws a government pension thanks to his longtime job sucking at the BLM teet. That's why Crazy Angle loves the BLM but wants to eliminate every other federal agency besides defense.
She and her hubby couldn't make it without that sweet government milk but screw everyone else.
Only lunatics and idiots will vote for someone
as crazy as Angle.
SAVE SOCIAL SECURITY,
VOTE HARRY REID.
Come now, LastThroes, Angle also had her 25-year career as a substitute teacher! Plus, her grandfather probably left her a pile of money. He must have had that ability. Remember, she bragged, "he would not even take his Social Security check because he said he wasn't up for welfare."
It is hilarious to see this bookofdoubt guy complain about "character assassination" of Sharron Angle as if that is some magic phrase. And looking through this forum, half the space is taken up by him doing just that, worse than anybody else does. When he's not spewing "facts" and "figures" than can be easily proven false or misleading by anyone with a computer or library access.
bookofdoubt...You say here that "Democrats don't care about defending our country." It may interest you to know that there are a lot of Democrats who have defended our country. If you look closely you will also find many of them in Washington, just as you find that most chicken-hawks are Republicans. You need look no farther than Dick Cheney and George W. Bush. Both pulled all stops to avoid service in Viet Nam but then sent us into a war in Iraq against the guys who didn't attack us while letting the guys who did the attack disappear over the years. All so a small elite of millionaires could become billionaires.
if you want to know more about Angle type in google "Sharron Angle Independent American Party"
you will find out alot more than you bargained for.
First off Jon Ralston is doing his job and is very good at it. All of his articles on Wacko Sharron are backed up with fact. Second the people of Nevada who think if Wacko Sharron is elected she will single handed go to Washington get the necessary items to cure all of Navada's problems and the rest of the states will go ahead and sure Sharron here have what you want. Any thing she would ask for she would be shunned especially by her own party again Nevada is left behind. As far as New Orleans is concerned that city was founded hundred of years ago. The people who say move it somewhere else have been in the twlight zone this is not a Monoply Game!!!
What is next ethnic clensing get rid of the poor.
Be careful all wise ones who vote for Wacko Sharron she has you in her sights for the next victims (second admendent) according to her and a long list of names she will give to god in her next conversation with him with your name on it. I am sure she has already reported me in so I am going to Republican Hell like the rest of this country. OOPS! I am in Republican hell
"Her problem is she keeps creating so many recent ones that the Democrats haven't had to use as many of the old ones."
Just another example to show how Sharron Angle is stubborn, heartless, politically unsophisticated, self-serving, stupid and certifiably crazy.
The hits just keep coming with the Nevada Republican Party's candidate for this Senate seat. And get out the popcorn and sodas and pull up a seat. Because more of this never ending saga keep coming to a Nevada theater near you.
This is now a new low for a woman who is totally out of her element, clearly a very, very poor choice to run for U.S. Senate.
But still the righties will claim that Senator Reid is taking cheap shots at her and that he is slinging mud.
Not true.
The problem lies more with Sharron Angle's mouth.
It just doesn't seem to stop flapping with verbal garbage that puts her more and more in a bad light.
What politician would refuse to help people who are in desperate need of help due to a natural disaster; suffering, seeking shelter and food, homeless, their world torn apart? Who in government would be so heartless as to refuse assistance...that don't believe in the role of the U.S. in helping people when they are sorely in need of help due to happenings beyond their control?
Only someone without a soul or a conscience.
Only Sharron Angle.
dust for brains mangle is just what the republicans need to jump start their party and try to get a foot in the door come november; NOT!
We just can't afford Sharrontology and her extremism. People in New Orleans suffer, and she doesn't give a damn. People here in Las Vegas suffer, and she calls us "spoiled" as she says it's not her job to care about our jobs.
"When is someone gonna admit that building a city under sea level is ok, If you want to suffer the risk yourself and stop making me pay for your mistakes or stupidity!"
tbvegas -- New Orleans was founded nearly 300 years ago by the French. It's older than this country. Whose stupidity does that show?
Bluejeans -- you made some good points. Ignore your critics here -- in this gallery of buffoons you shine!
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Admiral Hyman G. Rickover
The Reid clowns are running scared. How sweet it is, all of the name calling, the cut off sound bites, the Ralston spinsssssss, the negative muddocks, nothing seem to be working for the Reids, Harry's son got his butt kicked by Sandoval yesterday, Reid came out swinging at the air, as bias news media gocked on. The Republican Party is kicking butt. Way to go Team Angle. Don't the Reid's get it the voters are sick and tired of your aggressive over the top methods of winning elections, the American voters are not as dumb as you think
"the American voters are not as dumb as you think"
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Sharron MangleBots are like a Rock.
Only dumber.
Imagine the horror of psycho Sharron joining born-again Johnnie as Nevada's US Senate delegation.
The Secret Service would quarantine both of them at a mental hospital to contain the brain disease.
Here in Nevada we can already see the ravages of the sickness as teabagging zombies stare into space and repeat everything Rush and Beck said on their radio shows this morning.
How are Harry Reid's "sweaty tourists" doing today? Hopefully he won't have to mingle with them.
spin cycle is on high in the comment section
Angle has became a liability rather than a tool for the Republican Tea Party whose preferred choice was the Chicken Lady Lowden. As far not a single sitting Republican has really endorsed here. They must be afraid of going down with here. For the real conspirators, Karl Rove and Newt Gingrich with FOX and Rush as their pied pipers and nat. and int. corporations as their donors, will continue their real agenda of how to fleece the country without them really knowing it. Although, I'm not sure what roll, if any, Newt will play since he got kicked out by his own before.
I wouldn't be surprised that after the midterm that Rove and the Grinch together with Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz, will drive home their spin to the comatose conservative loyalists as the front men of the Great Old Pervs.
The Tea Party is done and should have lost most credibility by John McCain winning the primaries in AZ. McCain embodied everything the Teabags rallied against, but now they look more like an elephant than a tea bag. In addition, Opportunist, Sarah Palin, looked more like a little church choir sing from Aalaaskaa regurgitating here wrinkled up message to the crowed at the Glenn Beck Rally last weekend than a serious political force to be reckoned with. The steam is out of the kettle.
I am Ok with spending the Fed. money and racking up debt on our children.
We are screwing over our children and their children.
So let's go for broke.
Let's have a $10 trillion "stimulus" and PARTY!!!!!!!!!!
Screw the children.
They will just have to do with less and work harder.
It will be good for them.
"I am Ok with spending the Fed. money and racking up debt on our children.
"We are screwing over our children and their children."
SgtRock -- then you'll love this
"...I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." -- Thomas Jefferson in his May 28, 1816, letter to John Taylor
as much as i hate harry, lets think logically here...
1. since when does a senator create jobs and new industry for a state? a senator can work closely with the state leaders to grab grants, stimulus and other funding to attract new jobs (which harry has done somewhat).
2. look at other states like new hampshire, which has a diverse economy and uses it well. only a 6% UI rate. new york, which has 17 times the population of NH and they have a 9% UI rate, but NY has a more diverse economy. TX is one of the best places in the nation right now to start small businesses! TX is a giant oil field, but does not rely on oil as its only source of income either. bottom line here, GAMING IS OLD NEWS! MOVE THE HELL ON!!!
3. state budgets...harry has NOTHING to do with that. harry is a federal idiot not a state idiot. so whatever corrupt thief is in charge of money up in carson city needs to be fired.
4. vegas, land of construction sites and casinos. not many options for jobs here! why does the state not show its other resources, give tax breaks, be more creative in how our current industry can help them, or they can boost current industry, etc. you need to sell nevada beyond its dry climate and mild winters and lack of state income tax as its selling points to move here.
5. clean out illegals. people dont wanna live with illegals.
harry did not totally ruin nevada, sure, he has been representing us for too long, and im sure he has is own brand of soap out there he is making millions on our ignorance for letting him be there for so long, but lets get real here...harry is not the problem, the state of nevadas leaders upstate are. they are the ones that do nothing to change nevada. florida has lots more people, lower taxes in some areas, lower car registration fees, no state income tax and have much better schools especially in the past 10 years they have made major improvements. their economy, is much more diverse compared to nevada, but the construction boom down there hurt the UI rate big time like it did here. my point, is that florida has more to pay for, with more money, has a state lottery, and legal gambling in some areas, and has better schools. nevada, which once had a ton of money does not use it wisely. isnt the casino tax in PA 50%? and nv its only 8%?
you can keep pumping that lame stimulus money in nevada, but these jobs wont last forever. 1 year, 2 years for most of these roadwork jobs that we see.
IN LATIN, NEVADA = CORRUPTION! its the only true answer to our problems. and that, im willing to bet uncle harry is a big part of
Let me remind the memory-challenged gbigs how we got there:
* Bush takes oath of office Jan 20 2001, the S&P500 closed at 1343.
* Bush's last day in office (Jan 20 2009), the S&P500 closed at 805. That represents a 40 PERCENT LOSS in the market that Sharron Angle would use as the basis for a privatized Social Security.
* Q1 2008 GDP: NEGATIVE 0.7% (i.e., the US economy SHRANK 0.7% in the first quarter of 2008).
* Q2 2008 GDP: up 0.6% (that would mark the last miniscule GDP growth of Bush's tenure).
* Q3 2008 GDP: NEGATIVE 4%.
* Q4 2008 GDP: NEGATIVE 6.8%
* Q1 2009 GDP: NEGATIVE 4.9%
http://useconomy.about.com/od/economicin...
Here's a chart that graphically illustrates the Bush Administration driving the economy off a cliff and subsequent improvement with Obama's leadership:
http://www.bsu.edu/ibb/us/gdp00.htm
But, hey, go ahead, ignore the FACTS, listen to bogus Tea Party SHILLS like gbigs, and vote for Sharron Angle. When the fragile economy collapses again with more inept Republican "leadership", I wish us all lots of luck, because we're going to need it!!
Well, lets look back at what the people of New Oleans did with all of Our Money. I traveled there 3 times, weeks after Katrina, 1 year later, and 3 years later. Each time spending about 1 week. Some of the money went to good causes. Most of the money (untold billions)went into peoples pockets that never rebuilt their home, or just moved away. Alot of the money went for drugs, booze, and laziness. My son worked security and watched thousands of people get hugh checks, just to get back in line and recieve it again. Remember...they lost their I.D. in the flood. No accountability. Now when you look at the coverage 5 years later, what did all that money buy? The majority of the houses sit the way they looked 5 years ago. What did the good people of New Orleans do with all Our Money? My home was recked by Hurrican Charley. No one gave me 100 or so thousand dollars to rebuild. I didn't ask because it isn't right to ask others for their hard earned money just because I decided to live in a place that is prone to Hurricans. The money should have been put into a lock box, and payed out only after completion of work done. George Bush did more for those people than any President has ever done. Yet they still complain. Obama, still campaining yesterday said, " his administration won't let them down". Is he saying that Bush let them down? Where was he for 4 weeks after BP's oil spill? The man is a joke.
I certainly hope Sharron Angle rejects any offer Ralston makes to moderate a debate between her and Reid. This column clearly shows Ralston's bias. In the radio interview, Angle never said she would not vote to aid Katrina victims. She said she would not vote until the funds were accounted for. In hindsight, she was completely correct. The Bush administration squandered billions that should have gone to aid Katrina victims. Then as now, citizens should not give the federal government a blank signed check without safeguards.
I would have sent money to Huston Texas. After Katrina and the big migration of people fron New Orleans to Huston their crime rate sky rocked.
johnniek -- do spellcheck and try again. Maybe your post will be understandable then.
You might want to have a look at Spike Lee's new documentary on the Katrina aftermath before another rant -- it's called "The Good Lord Willing and Da Creek Don't Rise."
I've said it before and I'll continue to say it. I'm not a fan of Angle's but Ralston you are a HACK. I would hope that our elected representatives would question how money is being spent before approving it. That's why they're there. They are our gatekeepers. Or supposed to be. Rather than doing what Pelosi and Reid have been doing and just signing off without even reading it, i.e. "We have to approve it to see what's in it." - Pelosi.
Ralston you have ZERO credibility left. Only your $300 a year newsletter. The sad thing is Ralston, you used to be widely respected by all parties. I'm certain that when you started out you hoped to achieve more but somewhere down the line you lost your values and integrity as a writer and now you're just a hack who is in the back pocket of liberals. I'm an independent and just can't stand your biased columns. This is such a misleading headline it leads me to believe you really are hoping to land that job at TMZ.
If Angle is such a fiscal conservative, why does she not want to get rid of anything that benefits her. Her husband has worked for the BLM their whole married life. She has enjoyed a government paycheck, government insurance and government retirement. When I hear her stand up and say all that should be phased out, I will take her seriously.
killerb
Sorry about the mispelling, the truth hurts doesn't it. By the way...Da people of New Orleans don't like to work. Da Americans don't care what Da Spike Lee says.
Johnniek -- your version of the truth might hurt, but the actual truth is something quite different. Like despite what you posted, Bush's downfall began with Katrina and the feds' paralysis in dealing with it.
For perspective I recommend http://reason.com/archives/2006/12/11/a-...
Despite your near-illiterate rant, I found Spike Lee's documentary to be quite credible.
I know something about this. Both of my children had to flee that city because of that storm, both lost their homes, and only my son returned.
Don't agree with Angle on everything, but I agree on New Orleans. A bunch of welfare cases living in a city under sea level. Totally hapless Mayor / Governor at the time, and a lot of the relieve money was wasted. Welfare cases wanted to get back to "their" dwellings ? They're MINE (and every other taxpayer's), you lazy bums !
Harry Reid has his moments on tape, too.
Remember this goodie? (from KLAS-TV: http://www.8newsnow.com/global/story.asp... )
"But a Pew Hispanic Center study shows 17-percent of all construction workers are in the United States illegally. Reid says not in Nevada. "That may be some place, but it's not here in Nevada.""
I'm really surprised that hasn't shown up in one of Angle's ads yet.
After reading all the Angle supporters attack on the Leader of the senate I believe they really are not Americans. They are people planted by aliens. The watermelon people.
They are all under mind control.
Angle is the master alien.
We must deport all these aliens back to the insane asylum where they can be given medication and care.
Beck rounded up 86,000 of them and now the government has their names.
PS. ANGLE IS OUT TO HURT THE PEOPLE OF NEVADA and the United States.
Too bad your too brain washed and do not understand that.
SO SAD SO SAD
she knew back 2005 the monies spent would provide nothing more than billions in handouts which is exactly the problem on the gulf coast...it's a fishbowl for the world to see how lbj and the great soceity works...you end up with generations with their hands stuck out...fire/winds/storms/floods have devasted areas around the country since katrina...and you hear nothing from them...it's hard to rebuild with both hands stuck out and crying for more...what you see is what you get...great job progressive/liberals...gee...accoubtability before you spend...what was she thinking!!!
gbigs said "Katrina was a giant bailout for blacks in New Orleans."
Is it possible to make a more racist statement?
Why is it that Harry is blamed for the jobless rate by Angle backers who agree with her statement that its not the job of our Senator to create jobs?
As to those of you who call Ralston's article "spin", you might want to look up the meaning of the word. Presenting a candidates position is not spin. Either you agree with her, that Katrina victims should not get aid or you don't.
Why is it that Angle supporters claim to be budget hawks when it comes to unemployment insurance extension for $30B but are kaky with to cut taxes to the tune of $300B without offsets?
Why is it okay to complain about Harry getting enough federal aid to Nevada while complaining aid is bad as creeping socialism?
Why is it okay to complain about Harry's gaffes which are not policy statements (like the statement about saying Obama speak like a Negro which really is not a policy statement) but not okay to point to Angle's statements policy statements?
Why is it okay to complain about the absence of federal dollars coming to Nevada but its "spin" to point out the the Governor and Legislature make Nevada ineligible for federal dollars by underfunding medicaid?
Why is it okay to say that the Angle is gaining ground because Rasumussen shows her in a dead heat with Reid when she started with an 11 point lead in the first Rasumussen poll after the primary.
Why is it okay to blame unemployment on Obama when he inherited the worst decline in GDP since the Depression but okay to worship Reagan who didn't inherit any negative GDP and took much longer to start dropping unemployment.
Why is it okay for a republican congress and president to enact a tax cut that sunsets but its wrong for a democratic congress not to extend it?
Why is it spin to blame Bush for the largest drop in GDP and the greatest increase in unemployment resulting from that drop but not spin to blame the resulting unemployment it on Reid and Obama?
Why is its spin to say Bush and the republicans drove the economy in the ditch but not spin to keep saying the Nation is still in a recession a year after GDP has turned positive?
Why is it okay to blame the recession on Reid because he bacame the Majority Leader in January of 2007 but spin to point to the housing bubble being in place and ready to burst by 2006?
Why is it okay to for the unemployment rate to rise for 2 1/2 years after Bush passed a the biggest tax cut for the rich in the history of the Nation but spin when others point that out?
Why is it okay to subsidize Big Oil and Big Agriculture to the tune of almost a $100 B year while allowing them to accumulate 10's of Billions of dollars in surpluses without investing it in the US to create jobs here.
Why is it okay to shift the tax burden from the wealthy to the poor with tax cuts but "redistributing wealth" to allow tax cuts to expire?
gbigs:
Part of what you say is correct. The econ collapse is directly related to the 07 subprime crash. And the hosuing bubble and subprime crash did start in 2007. And certainly Fannie and Freddie played a role in that. But that role resulted largely from changes in the governing regulations from HUD in 2004 in furtherance of Bush's publicly state policy to expand home ownership. You continuously blame the Democrats for how Frannie and Freddie expanded subprime lending but never cite the actual cuase, which I assume is because there is nothing to cite that is truly the fault of the Dems.
You always say that Dodd stopped legislation in 05 but Bush didn't need legislation to override the regulations which his administration put in place the year before. And depsite my repeated requests for the specifics on the proposed legislation to which you refer, you merely repeat your statements that Dodd singlehandedly stopped the Bush Administration from correcting what was really its policy.
Here are the real facts:
"In 2004, as regulators warned that subprime lenders were saddling borrowers with mortgages they could not afford, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development helped fuel more of that risky lending.
"Eager to put more low-income and minority families into their own homes, the agency required that two government-chartered mortgage finance firms purchase far more "affordable" loans made to these borrowers. HUD stuck with an outdated policy that allowed Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae to count billions of dollars they invested in subprime loans as a public good that would foster affordable housing."
--http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/09/AR2008060902626.html
As to Obama ignoring the cause, you are only partially correct, in that the Financial Reform bill he signed did not correct the problem. What you omit is that his original proposed legislation did but the blue dogs stripped it from the bill. Unfortunately, there are conservative democrats who see supporting wall street to the detriment of its customers as a good thing.
I don't have a problem with that, I was there two weeks ago and very little has been done. What has been done won't stop the same thing from happening again. It's a big waste....
gbigs said "Now Obama has ignored the cause, and focuses on debt spending. Just as FDR did in the 30s. Its not a mystery why the econ is near depression."
Where do I start? "the econ is near depression" despite 4 consecutive quarters of growth? Where do you get these statements. And please don't bore us with how "slow" the drop in unemployment is because unemployment hasn't dropped substantially within 4 quarters after any recession. In fact, according to BLS stats, it has started to drop much sooner under Obama than it did under Reagan after the 81-82 recession which was a milder recession.
And talk about "focus[ing] on debt spending"? Where were you during the Bush years. THe deficit for the 2009 fiscal year, i.e. Bush's last budget which was in place when Obama took office was $1.4T compared to essentially a balanced budget in Clinton's last year. CBO is forecasting that the deficit for 2010, the current year will only be 1.47T i.e. a $70B increase, which is pennies compared to the annual increases every year under Bush especially given that revenue growth is relatively low during the first 4 quarters of a recovery.
And while you are trying to act like a deficit hawk, I don't hear you complaining about Republican efforts to extend the tax cuts with no offsets.
And as to FDR, while your implication that FDR relied on deficits, is accurate, but your suggestion that FDR's deficits were somehow bad, is pure fiction. GDP grew and unemployment dropped every year from 1933 through 1941 except during 1938, the second year of a 2 year stretch were total federal expeditures were decreased by a whopping 25% in an effort to "balance the budget".
As I have done in the past, I challenge you to provide any factual support or data to support your proposition that deficit spending in the face of recession or slow growth has yeilded bad results or where deficit reduction in recession or slow growth times produced positive results. I await facts, not your usualy self serving conclusions.
reading some of the recent posts...it's obvious who have never run a business or have been a credit to soceity...they are state dependants...other than the military/law enforcement...receiving monies from the private sector for non/services is nothing less than receiving stolen property(tax/dollars)...people with command of the english dictionary truely believe they are brillant...but to one with any degree of common sense realize they are economic morons...a.k.a.academic nuts.....
Angle will destroy what's left of Nevada if she's elected!
Senator Reid has made so many unbelieveable statements in the last two years that they have made him the current loser where he belongs. Just think...a political unknown is going to retire him to his cactus farm.
katrina was a bailout for blacks. how many nawlins folks took their govt issued debit cards and went to strip clubs? how many hurricanes in nc, sc, ga, fla, tx did you see the whole town being looted?
nawlins is a dumphole. a waste of money to fix. does anyone think mother nature even thought it was a dump? and the chocolate mayor as he called himself was useless. all i see when i hear the word katrina is that photo of all those school busses underwater instead of being used to evacuate the people. i see all the homeys shooting at the people that were trying to rescue them.
As gbigs posts the usual Tea Party line that Democrats and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and homeowners defaulting on loans caused the Bush Depression, he further demonstrates his lapse of memory by conveniently forgetting some important facts:
* "Too big to fail" was a product of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999 named for its sponsors, all Republicans: Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Texas); the aptly-named Rep. Jim Leach (R-Iowa); and Rep. Tom Bliley (R-Virginia). Gramm-Leach-Bliley effectively repealed much of the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 (sponsored by Democrats Carter Glass and Henry Steagall), thus permitting the big banks like Citibank, Bank of America, etc. to expand exponentially by allowing them to get into all sorts of financial services (or dis-services) that they were previously prevented from entering.
* These financial "dis-services" included selling collateralized debt obligations based on mortgage backed securities issued by Wall Street investment banks like Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, and Goldman Sachs utilizing derivatives to achieve up to 40 to 1 leverage ratios to investors worldwide, underwritten by Moody's as AAA securities, with risk supposedly "managed" by credit default swaps (ultimately worthless) issued by leading insurers like AIG. In plain English, lenders got hopeful homeowners to take out risky loans with terms they often didn't understand for homes they couldn't afford (driven by an enormous speculative bubble in a market like Las Vegas); sold them to Wall Street, which bundled up these loans into CDOs, sliced them up, and sold them to investors all over the world as AAA-rated securities; "managed" the risk with CDSs; and used complicated mathematical formulas called derivatives to turbo-charge the results. Meanwhile, Bush pushed for greater homeownership for low income people http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNqQx7sjo... and happily took credit for record homeownership in his subsequent State of the Union addresses.
* Given Republicans' loathing of financial regulation, the derivatives market (which Warren Buffett wisely described as "financial weapons of mass destruction") remained unregulated during Bush's tenure. So, as homeowners began defaulting on risky loans, the CDOs and CDSs collapsed, for which the financial effects were magnified exponentially by derivatives, which caused the collapse of financial markets and "too big to fail" institutions, which necessitated the $700 billion Bush / Paulson bailout to avert a 1929-style Great Depression 2.0, which the Obama Administration inherited.
Homeowners defaulting on loans weren't the bomb that caused the implosion -- they were just the fuse for the real bomb, which was caused by unregulated markets that Republicans want to keep unregulated as they can be so darn profitable to a few rich folks that can time them correctly, leaving the Disappearing American Middle Class holding a big empty paper bag . . . . . . .
Yes academics must be nuts. The fact that they actually look at data and rely on the evidence of history is proof that they have no common sense and are morons. They would have common sense if they relied on the conclusions of business owners who earn huge profits, accept subsidies and invest almost none of their accumulated profits in US jobs when those business owners claim that we should cut government spending to "fix" the economy.
The reality of history is of little concern to business owners whose sole motive is to increase their bottom line, when hiring decreases their bottom line. Please please please find a time when federal spending was cut and unemployment dropped along with it. Find a time when federal spending was cut and GDP rose.
Lets ignore the fact that total domestic corporate profits decreased pretty consistently from 2006 highs until the 1st quarter of 2009 and have risen all but one quarter since Obama has been in office. We all know that, regardless of what happens with unemployment, increasing corporate profits is the ONLY thing that truly matters to business owners and the highly paid who work for them.
Dawgday:
You must be wrong because gbigs and others of his ilk want their taxes cut. You must be wrong because they need to blame everything on anyone that might cause their taxes to go up. You must be wrong because everyone KNOWS that you can't raise taxes during a recession. You must be wrong because everyone knows that deficit spending doesn't work. You must be wrong because the victims in New Orleans were the poor and they should have known better than live below sea level. You must be wrong because everyone knows the poor and unemployed are lazy and spoiled and therefore deserve no benefits from tax dollars.
There's a saying in politics "if your explaining, your losing". The posts on this blog are proof that facts don't really matter if they conflict with what is known by people who don't need facts to be certain of what they know.
Angle was right. Why would you continue to pour money down that sewer in New Orleans?
Let me point out that the proximate cause of the flooding in New Orleans wasn't merely that there was a hurricane but that levies weren't constructed properly. They were supposed to withstand a Cat 5 storm and failed due to poor construction in a Cat 4 event. The poor lived in the low areas not becuase they were greedy but because they relied on the soundness of the levies.
Presumably sigtwenty and his fellow travelers think that the poor should not have relied on the levies. Similarly, Angle thinks the residents and businesses shouldn't have relied on BP to not create the biggest spill in history and neither the federal government nor BP should be held to account for their failures.
hss, i have no sympathy for those in cali that live on an active earthquake fault, then when their stuff is broken we get to watch them cry on tv. seriously, anything can happen but when you see ways to evacuate the people and dont, and then they fight the people rescuing them, i say leave them and let em drown and die.
"George Bush did more for those people than any President has ever done." OHHH you mean for the people that didn't drown? right?
"You're doing a hellofa job Browny"
I keep asking myself; -I know not EVERYONE on the right is stupid; -correction- I assume that not everyone on the right is stupid?
Is it Alzheimer's? Amnesia? or do you just remember what you CHOOSE to remember?
In case you teaparty intellectuals have forgotten G.W. Bush's administration was so slow, so inept, so incompetent, That Fidel Castro actually offered Cuba's help, and it was NOT a political statement-He actually thought Cuba could help us.
i'm missing something...i did not realize that government actually developes a product/produces that product/sells that product/installs that product/employs from that product/that product creates an economy/is accountable for that product/profits from that product...that sounds like what i do...it's called the free market/capitalism...my 40 yrs of being in business the government has regulated my product/taxed my product/critized my product/threatened my product/and now competes against my product/which essentially have stolen my product...taxes are a toll/penalty/fee...nothing is fair or consistant...there is a difference between strangulation and regulation...without question....i like many pay the salaries and benefits to some that post here...yet they still complain...and actually believe they contribute...dependants....grow a set and be self/employed/run a business/strive for a better life thur hard work...because when there's more people in the wagon than are pulling the wagon....guess what happens...i forgot....hss46 has the answers...
hss46:
Point well taken.
For everyone on this board, here is a link to an enlightening read on what's behind much of the garbage infesting the national political scene these days:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/...
sigtwenty What aobut those that live near a fault but not on the fault? How far away before they are deserving of help? What about those that live in areas prone to flash floods, or on a 100 year flood plain? Or those that live near mountains where fires are possible? Or those that live hwere tornadoes are known to occur? Or the entire east coast because of hurricanes? Or in Reno because the earthquake potential there is also real? Where do you draw the line?
Yes Dawg, good piece in that liberal rag, the new yorker.
Why would anyone criticize billionaires spending 100's of millions to influence politicians to increase the amount they can pollute and who cares what the impact is? That's the american way. And some will say "but it increases jobs! And while we claim we don't want to burden our children and grandchildren with our national debt, we don't give a rat's a$$ about burdening them with flammable water, no ozone layer, huge areas of ocean that won't support life, or sea level that submerges most of Florida and the whole east coast."
OMG, I must be a tree-hugger.
hmmmm. Anyone note the silence from the right when I post facts inconsistent with their myths.
I can't wait for gbigs to share his usual canned response that he'll cut and paste from his prior rants about the current weakness in the economy/housing market as if that were a valid argument that refuted the progress made by Obama's policies, when Reagan's policies took much longer to make any progress.
Just as an example of how business really works, lets look at Exxon. In 2000, i.e. before the bush tax cuts and with greater profits from the run up in oil prices, Exxon's total capital investments were more than half its earnings. For the most recent year I could find data, 60% of its earnings were used to fund stock buybacks so the yeild on capital would increase, plus another chunk on dividends, while decreasing investment from more than 50% to under 40%. And most of those invested dollars are non-domestic. I'm sure glad we give them tax breaks so they pay far less than small businesses that hire more people.
Anyone who votes for this maniac deserves the misery she will bring.
glad i bought xom at $14.60/ share which has afforded myself and family those little extras i've earned with my risk....something you forget to mention in your assult of the free market....millions of small investors like myself plan their retirements on the market...but a dependant cannot grasp the facts of oil and water won't mix like "public" and "capable"...there is absolutely nothing the government can do right...it still takes the men/women in the trenches to win the wars...not the generals..
I know no one who is assaulting the free market. I, for one, invest regularly and have fully recovered from 2008-09. But I don't invest in companies that abuse the environment or in companies that spend their money on politics. And my year to date return has been way ahead of the indexes.
Funny thing is the vast majority of residents of New Orleans get a life time of aid on welfare already....
reading your posts... no doubt you have never made a payroll...no doubt you drink the so called "kool-aid" of global warming/support the non-producers/believe employees should earn as much as the employer/that taxes are for the greater good/collectivism/government is the answer for all/regulation as the equalizer...you quote stats...like they say facts and figures...liars can figure but facts are stubborn like 2 and 2 are 4 and can be no more...mt st. helens created more air polution than the entire industrial revolution...my end of the year was always far better with a republican house...regulations strangulates with good intensions...there is a difference between the physically/mentally challenged/elderly and the non-producers...competition/accountability vs mandates/unions...the great soceity has been a complete failure to everyone...a.k.a. affirmative action which is latin for repartions/retribution...there is nothing to defend other than boasting we are now becoming yet another failed soceity because of a colossal government devouring everything in it's path...
Sharron Angle's alternative health care plan:
Sharron Angle: "It's Not Scientology, It's "Natural Homeopathic Medicine" Developed By L Ron Hubbard".
"Homeopathy is nothing but sugar-coated pseudoscience."
~ L. Ron Hubbard on Homeopathy
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Homeo...
Sharron Angle hides from reporters, defends Scientology to conservative press.
Nevada's great Tea Party hope ducks the D.C. media, tells right-wing press that Scientologists are victims of bias.
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_r...
Hey, tbvegas, if they don't need levees then we out here in the desert don't need air conditioning.
bls, I read your post and I couldn't find one real verifiable fact. This may come as a surprise but statements like "we are now becoming yet another failed society because of colossul government devouring everything in it's path" is not a fact. ACtually, that kind of statement is more like what a right wing koolaid drinker might say to justify his philosophy. Of course, you are certainly entitled to your views and to express those views but lets not confuse views with facts. And btw I have "made a payroll" and while I didn't pay anyone what I got from the business, I also didn't feel the need to keep them in poverty in order to pad my bottom line at their expense.
And as to regulations strangulating a business, I won't claim that no regulations are bad for busines and would hope that you are rational enough to agree that not all regulations are bad. For example, my first car had a metal dash, no seat belts and a rigid chrome bumper, and adjusting for inflation, the cost of insuring that car compared on an apples to apples basis to insuring an equivalent car today, the insurance savings more than pays for the enhanced safety, without stopping the manufacturer from 'marking up' the cost of the enhanced safety, and before including the societal savings from the reduced injuries. There are lots of similar situations that are 'win/win' even though it requires an 'up front cost' to the business being regulated. The proper goal of a government is to walk that line to properly identify what regulation is necessary and to implement the regulation with the least financial harm to the society as a whole.
And please save the mt. st helens logic for kindergartners. Less polution is is always better than more polution regardless what how much natural polution exists.
And if you think unions are bad, I take that to mean you are (or want to be) the kind of employer who needs to keep workers as low as possible in order to pad your bottom line at their expense because you apparently view more is always better than less. Obviously, there are many people, including successful entrepreneurs who feel differently.
you are most definitely part of the public/union sector...handing out payroll from tax dollars is not payroll....you are a nanny state believer at heart...at the age of 20 i took the path of survival by ability...not taking from others...i sold my company to my employees 35 yrs later and now they realize what the real world is like...the liberals/moderates in the company have become conservative....wonder why...
p.s....if you think a honda civic with all the safety devices is safer than a 68'plymouth fury then you are most definitely from the poly-anna eutopia world were everything is beautiful....
whats even worse....you can vote.....ouch in our wallets....never knew a democrat that doesn't love to take the shirt off my back....some day it's going to be your shirt...then what.....
I'm getting bored reading all these politicaly biased posters comment on Angle vs Reid. All seem to be promoting their own beliefs, which is what a Forum is for, not trying to do what both parties are doing (blinding us with Bull***t).
As far as Susan Angles stand on New Orleans, I believe that she is inept at speaking but shows Prudence as to how our Funds should be used by wanting an an accounting before jumping on board with knee jerk reaction to a disaster. I personally do not think that anything should be done or paid to New Orleans until audited & completed. New Orleans is the most corrupt and "Good ol Boy" city in the Nation(that I have witnessed). People are encouraged to go on the government dole out because their high numbers help contribute to their Legislators coffers. N.O. has always been like that and always will be that way. These people had 5-7 days warning of a level 5 Hurricane and an order to Evacuate but they chose to stay and garner sympathy for more welfare. When they experienced the storm they did not think that surviving would be so much work for them, surprise! Other areas like Florida, Alabama,Carolinas & Texas all pull together after a major storm neighbors helping neighbors in time of need. I supplied generator power to no fewer than 6 neighbors after Charley & Ivan while I lived in those places. People felt funny about taking bottled water while others need may have been greater. I'm proud to have been in both places for my family and I to help. The people of N.O. would rather shoot at their rescue workes and demand everything not nailed down (look how they treated the dome stadium that housed them).
I feel that sharon Angle is not the greatest choice of an elected official. Having grown up with Rory Reid in my class and knowing his father all these years who in the begining did a fair job for the people of Nevada. Now he has too much power and cow tows to the likes of Obama and Pelossi without question. He is more dangerous to this state now with so much power that I must vote for Angle because she couldn't do any where near the damage Reid has done. This the same type of reasoning that has brought us Obama's reign, but the lesser of two evils. Heck if Joe Bidden can get elected so can Angle, both couldn't talk their way out of a wet paper bag.
I will vote for Rory Reid for governor because he at least has a chance of helping our school system out of the crapper. This is a gamble but Sandoval has no plan that makes any sense.
I hate to admit it but I am forced to vote with my heart, not along party lines that have been the undoing of this Great Country!
Dawgdayafternoon: " "Too big to fail" was a product of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act ..."
Thank you for the best, most-understandable unwinding of the tangled mess I've seen.
The hurricane did not flood New Orleans; it was the poorly constructed dikes that failed which caused the flooding. In other words, it was the inept government (Corps of Engineers) that caused the flooding not the hurricane.
Also, there were 200K homes lost in the flooding and only 5K have been rebuilt most of which with private money: no bailout for blacks in New Orleans.
Well teapartier's it's a new week. Who ya gonna hate this week? Got your talking points from fox yet? Lets see; last week it was the Muslims AGAIN. Week before that it was Muslims. Week before that it was anchor babies. Week before that it was the illegal's. Week before that it was gays. And of course we must not forget all those people you always hate: blacks,Latino's, liberals,democrats,Obama,women who get uppity,unions,teachers,fireman,government workers,Catholics,Jews,Rino's,the educated,Asians,Arabs,Europeans, and of course the Clinton's. Have I left out anyone? Or Is there anyone left you don't hate? Real peculiar how you can remember to hate all those people but can't remember who it was that brought America to the state it is in. A mind is a terrible thing to lose! I have contributed to the teaparty amnesia fund.
The Katrina disaster was not God made. It was man made. The Army Corp of Engineers made a levie that should have not been made and it broke, flooding New Orleans. This is the federal gov't fault. If the land was left alone, the city would not have flooded. If there was a bad wash that was built here in this city and it broke flooding your home, would you want help and payback from the feds? You Betch Ya! Once again, Angle and the tea party show no thought, no caring, no heart. If it happened to them, they'd be screaming and call the rest of the people heartless. Once again Angle has no facts. If it wasn't for feds helping, tourism would still be hardpressed there. Would it be here too? OH It is right now and Angle would do nothing to help. Harry Reid got City Center help and people are working. The tea party is old white people who are afraid of change(I'm 57 & w & unemployed) Republicans put us in debt all the time and it is the democrats who balance the mess. I thought Angle was just ignorant; but, the more she states her politics, the more I hear she is stupid and cruel. She was in the state gov't on education stopping a football team from wareing black which the team paid for, because it was evil. In the meantime, our education is 50th out of 50 states. Is that fiscal responsibility? People have got to wake up and look at the big picture. This mess is everybody's fault. But, thoughing out Harry Reid for Angle is not going to solve the problem. It will get worse.
What a shame- what is the reason for even bringing up an issue like this? Jon Ralston is yet to ask Senator Reid why he voted against making English the nation language for the U.S.A. we all are affected by that NO vote. Jon, I would like to see an article about Senator Reid's immigration votes, he could care less about National security. This man voted against building a fence along the Mexican border, Citizens are living in fear, some U.S Citizens have been killed by illegal aliens, kidnapped, raped, and he is worried about how Mexico feels, way to go open borders Harry. Seriously, my dog could do a better job as Senator of Nevada. Wake up America; before it's too late, if a man doesn't care about National Security, how can he care about anyone, or anything, except Money, and power, his voters are only pawns in his game.
renostarman: How ignorant can you be, what makes you assume that there are no Blacks in the tea party? The tea Party is not about hate. If a blind man is born blind, it's not his fault, you are blind on purpose, it's really foolish of you to include this list that you did, on who the tea party is hating, are you like Daddy Reid, you just want American Voters to just sat down, and shut up. That want happen, there are blacks and Hispanics in the tea party movement. We are patriotic American Voters, and will vote for Sharron Angle
pmontg53:
Too much emotion. Chill out.
You bleeding heart liberals crack me up. People living on taxpayer's money in a city kept dry by taxpayer's money lost "everything" (which was bought with taxpayer's money), so they DEMAND taxpayer's money to bail them out once again. Excuse me while I shed a tear or two. The poor kids (born while already on welfare) !! They should have made the levies much higher, and then flooded the whole cesspool and call it "Lake New Orleans".
bubblv: That storm claimed the lives of Republicans and Democrats, if Sharron Angle said that she would not approve of money going to New Orleans, I'd like to know in which context, usually everything is not disclosed, a lot of what she said, or meant have been twisted, but if she said that under no circumstances that she would not have supported the People of New Orleans, than she was wrong. And Bubblv, maybe you didn't know; there are way more white people on Welfare than there are Blacks, people like you who make racist comments like that are a disgrace to the Republican Party, but as I have said on other post, you have your racist Democrats as well. The people of New Orleans are American Citizens, and they paid taxes also you A$$HOLE - Reading between the lines
Sharon Angle is laughable at best as a candidate. It's comical how she blames Harry Reid for raiding social security, the state of the economy, and to deny aid to New Orleans just adds to her stunning level of ignorance.
She more than likely could not pass a freshman history test since;
-Social Security began being raided to pay for the Viet Nam war. The pillaging has yet to cease.
-President Bush was our sitting president when the bail-outs began and the bottom fell out of not only the American, but the world economy- thanks to lack of much needed regulation.
-How outlandish to finance the rebuilding of a city that lies beneath sea level. (We can't admit that we were warned for a decade about the levies and The Army Corps of Engineers can't admit to the mistakes they made.)
Rebuilding New Orleans would make as much sense as building a city in the middle of the desert.
..The GOP hates it when the left blames Dubbya for the consequences we now must endure- But Ms. Angle seems to think Old Harry caused everything wrong with the country.. Sorry Sharon, your action is not worth betting on.
I can't in good conscience vote for either side.
bgib: What planet are you living on? Move New Orleans because it's under sea level. I guess that means we have to move L.A. and San Fran also because they shouldn't be on earth quake faults. Oh yes, and all the cities next to rivers that are prone to flooding, yes, they'll have to go to. Every town in the midwest and south that gets hit with tornado's, yup, shouldn't of built them there either. And everyone in Florida will have to move also, to many hurricanes. And your comments with regard to the blacks that got hit the hardest in New Orleans definitely shows signs of racism and bigotry. And just so you know, I'm white and an independent voter. I have voted republican many times over the years but you tea party guys are way to radical for me. Reid gets my vote and many more like me.
New Orleans is a major port and cannot be ignored. It is the gateway to the Mississippi River.
The voters of Nevada will Phase Out Sharron Angle in November.
She is all for phasing out government programs like Social Security, unemployment, education, environmental regulations, etc.
I am not surprised at all that the cold hearted Angle would have voted against federal relief for those in Mo and LA, leaving them to starve and for disease to spread after Katrina.
Pmontg53: The Tea Party is a bunch of old white racists. There are of course, a couple of folks of color and perhaps a few younger folks, the ones that are working on getting their GED. Most in the Tea Party have no political clue, they are paranoid, easily swayed and need a crutch like Fox News to tell them how and what to think.
Every single member of the Tea Party that I have met can not tell me what their real issue is. They want to 'take back our country'.
They can't tell you what that means.
The Right Wing entertainment channel Fox News is leading the dumb and blind and they follow with glee, regurgitating the little sound bites they have been fed.
My comments on New Orleans has nothing to do with race. I didn't mention black or white. The only thing said was, the people there are LAZY!!!
Sharron Angle is correct. You don't just write a blank check. The money should have been put in a lock box. Give money for people to live, but pay for the rebuilding, only after it is completed. If the government issued payment vouches to builders, building suppliers would have honored them and so much wasted money would not have been lossed. 200,000 homes where destroyed, but only 5,000 rebuilt. Where did all the money go? Maybe Spike Lee knows where da money went.
This thread is proof positive of the Nevada success story in the educational realm; bozo and butthead vote "Hell NO" on learning.
Dearest judy
For your information, Fox News is #1 because most good Americans watch it. Your leftist media is going bankrup because most people in America do not think . The Tea party is made up of good Americans that are feed-up with Socilist idea's, that are not American. We the good American people will win in November, and take our Country back in 2012. We will dismantel the harm that has been done to this great Country. Judy and all your left wing hate filled hearts will soon be watching Sharron and her fellow Republicans make "Change you will believe in".
Judy:
As I have pointed out before, by definition of an iq of 100 is the "median". The result is that, by definition, one half of all people have a two digit iq. Lets see, might those people be easily swayed with the kind of pap put out by the right that we need to "take back our country".
I wrote: most American people do not think like you. Some how the Sun left this out.
I am a proud liberal. I don't march in lock step with the tea baggers who have hi-jacked an important symbol of American freedom to serve their tiny purposes.
johnniek:
For those of us on the left who need more than platitudes like "take back our country", can you provide any substance? By "take back our country do you mean dismantle the Clean Water act so that Haliburton can drill for gas by "fracking" with fluids that turn ground water into flammable liquid? Oh wait, the right already did that and Haliburton already does that.
Perhaps you mean turn back the clock so that insurance companies can deny a mom health care insurance for Cancer because her acne is a pre-existing condition.
Or maybe you mean allow GM to fail, lay off 500,000 workers and then watch another 1,500,000 lose their jobs as GM's suppliers and other businesses dependent on fail.
No, I know. You mean we should fire bomb a Mosque construction site and then shoot at the people who investigate the arson.
And taking back our country definitely includes depriving people of a safe retirement by forcing them to learn how to invest their savings while filling the wall street money managers coffers with a trillion extra dollars that comes straight out of workers pockets.
And of course we should have allowed the banks to fail right in the middle of the credit crunch just to prove we aren't socialists. Oh wait, the republican president pushed the bank bailout so maybe we don't need to wind that particular clock back.
Its really funny that no one on the right wants to talk about a specific issue, provide a concrete policy suggestion and support that policy with factual evidence as to why it might work. There is a ton of data available if you use "the google" so there must be some evidence the right can cite to support some policy other than "Obama is a socialist" or "the Tea Party is made up of good Americans".
Or maybe just make a cogent legal argument for the proposition that the constitution bars social programs.
Come on, tea party supports, suggest a policy and provide some facts to support it.
<Katrina was a giant bailout for blacks in New Orleans.
When the blacks were guest hosted in Texas, what did they do? Oh yea, they attacked each other, and tore up the Astrodome.>
Remember several years after Katrina, the Mayor of Houston wanted all the refugees that came to Houston and stayed to get the hell out because the crime rate in Houston doubled since they all came there. The crime rate went up in just about every City the Katrina refugees settled in.
Also, blame the Lousiana govnernor at the time, too. She waited to long to give the okay for the National Guard to come in and help out. That was her call and she blew it.
The authorities talked about actually NOT rebuilding the city so close to the levees again but I guess that fell by the wayside and things are being built in the exact same places they were when Katrina hit.
Wow, imagine that, tens of thousands of newly homeless people who lost everything because of a man made f-up, all crowded into an arena in a strange city, and they didn't act ideally. It must be because they're from New Orleans. Or maybe it's because they're "ethnic"?
Det_Munch, I want to see your attitude if something equivalent happens to you and you're penned up like that.
Ralston, you're a snivelling little lying scumbag.
http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/20...
Mr. Ralston,
Please get off your knees for Harry, it's disgusting.
You know why "the war is lost" is so important? Because it is far worse to defecate on our troops in time of war than to worry about people who lived in a hurricane zone who chose to rely upon the Feds to take care of them.
The audio doesn't even support your argument. All I heard was a desire for accountability and nothing of the "no" you claim.
Those of us who served will never forgive or forget Harry for attempting to score points with the lunatic fringe while we fought, bled, and died.
I would vote for anyone over Harry Reid for what he's done as a Senator.
Semper Fi, Americans.
//jcrue
hss46
If you read my post correctly, it was AFTER these people were penned up in New Orleans and sought refuge in Houston and other cities - and this was NOT just in the Astrodome right after they arrived in Houston; it is after they took up residence. It is a known fact that the crime rates in the cities with the most refugees from New Orleans went up. It had nothing to do with just after they arrived - but after they decided to stay.
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@hss46
and man created the hurricane how?
and man stopped thousands from leaving town to avoid the hurricane how?
and man prevented Americans from acting like self-sufficient adults instead of ignorant children how?
funny how man creates such a different result in other parts of the country when disaster strikes but yet, Katrina is somehow "different".
hss46
Gm should have filed bankrupcy and reoganized. The crooked bankers who Bush baled-out, should have gone to jail.Do not let the muslims who hate our values build the mosque. As far as soicial security goes, its broke and we need to fix it. There is a much better way to keep heath cost down and still give coverage to all. Do you think that making people buy heath insurance, is going to give coverage to the cancer patient? She will wait in line for months like in Europe and Canada. We all want clean water, the left doesn't have any more will than the right. Do you personally know any Tea baggers? The only people ranting hate is Al Sharpton, all left wing blogs, and most democates. If Republicans are ranting hate, throw the bums out. But first prove it. Most writers in this column, are saying the most hateful things about Sharron Angle. They say personal things that have no place in politics. Facts hurt, Fox is #1, we will win, and you will lose.
Lets face it, if Angle does get elected she will be a junior Senator with little or no Senate Power to do any harm. However, with Reid the opposite is the case. As a senior Senator and possible Majority Leader he is in position to do great harm to Nevada and the Country. With that in mind I'll take my chances with Angle. The best thing she has going for her is she is "not" Reid.
Face it, the GOP is lost, broken, dimantled and have no focus on a collective message. They turn to Fox hoping they'll formulate the "opinion of the day" for them. All I hear is the mantra "We want our country back". Exactly what is it that you want back? The 1950's, when minorities and women were oppressed? Or maybe we can return to the days of J.Edgar Hoover?
.. Just curious.
hadenough
Yes, we want both those things. Also slavery and whites only. Plus we want space aliens to rule the world. Which President signed into law
Affirmative Action?????
Lets all vote for Angle! Lets show the rest of the country just how stupid Nevadans really are!
It is amazing the amount of ignorant folks in this state. May as well have the likes of Angle to represent us.
The GOP is broken? Yuh think? ROFLMAO.
The tea party candidates that have beaten establishment GOP candidates have done so with primary turnouts that are, as usual for primaries in midterm elections, far lower than the turnouts at the general elections. On the off chance any of them win, you'll see a tidal wave of support for Dems in 2012 when that crop of new Senators/Congressmen accomplish nothing for 2 years. I actually feel sorry for Boehner and McConnell because they lose whether those candidates win or lose.
Spoiler,
I'm pretty sure that Ben Nelson and Mary L weren't majority leaders in the senate but they brought home millions upon millions because they had a D after there names and Harry needed to buy there votes.
Ever wonder why Nevada remains a donor state even though we are bleeding to death. Two words, Harry Reid. The man is power hungry and doesn't have to buy his on vote.
Dems feed you the lie that you need them because they promise they will throw bread crumbs you way. They focus on dependency and help the pathetic stay pathetic. I should say politicians in general do this. What we need is a politician that pulls for the people and will eliminate many government programs to bring balance and pride back to the US. We are the greatest country in the world!!!!
If they had permitted GM to go bankrupt there would be no union now. The unions add $2000. to every car with their health care till death program. Not to mention their lucrative pensions.
News: Ralston has been critical of Reid just as he has been of Angle. And again people this is about Angle's statement on Katrina disaster. I Repeat: Katrina disaster was man made by the Army Corp of Engineers. If left alone, the flood would not have happened. New Orleans would have not been below sea level. If they built a bad wash here in LV and it broke, would you want federal help or not? All of the "Wingnuts" have to consider if it was their home gone by the feds. Again gbigs and others, you don't have all the facts again.
Reid, Angle...Angle, Reid. Talk about extremes. Neither one should garner the respect of any ones vote because all either one can do as far as I can tell is smear the other. What ever happened to the issues? All you posters remind me of ants on concrete. I'll be honest with you all, in that I would rather vote for the dead cat I saw this morning on the way to work than Reid or Angle....
By the way, my apologizes to you cat lovers, the cat looked like it had been there too long. Sort of like Reid...... Angle too for that matter.
Where to begin.....I have a friend in New Orleans who rebuilt his home with the help of his friends and family , only to find out that he no longer would have utilities. So much for pulling oneself up by their own bootstraps and $250,000. of his own money.
Second, have any of you ever lived in the Netherlands. They have successfully defended their country by continually using the latest technology to protect it from the waters that threaten it. Look up some pix of their amazing technology.....not just dirt piles called levys that exist in New O.
Third, lets start ending illegal immigration by arresting the folks who hire them. In the last year. we have gutted and remodeled a home in LV and every bid has been given to bonded and licensed companies with a white guy (like my husband) signing the papers and then sending out illegals and sometimes just questionable subs. If we go after the employers, they will stop coming over the border for jobs. Oh yeah...but then we couldn't hav cheap labor in our kitchens ,doing our yard work etc etc etc. Never gonna happen huh?
Jon Ralston: You are a flat out lair, what Sharron Angle said on that tape is very different from what your article suggest, it is a damn shame that you would deceive voters for Senator Reid. According to this except she did not say that she would not vote for relief, Sir you are slimy.
Below is what she said
http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/20......
Jon Ralston: You are a flat out lair, what Sharron Angle said on that tape is very different from what your article suggest, it is a damn shame that you would deceive voters for Senator Reid. According to this except she did not say that she would not vote for relief, Sir you are slimy.
Below is what she said
http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com
If you get Reid out of office the illegals will go. Back to where ever they came from, President Bush was bad on illegal immigration, President Obama is even worse than Bush, and Senator Reid is a gate keeper for illegal aliens. Send Harry packing
pmontg53 - What kind of idiotic statement is that. If Reid is not in the Senate the illegals will go home? Your do nothing Governor has done nothing about illegals in the state for 4 years. Your GW and cronies did nothing for 8 years. You really think that if Senator Reid is not reelected the illegals will go home. You need more help than anyone can give you.
I am no Angle fan, but Ralston seems to have overstepped on this one. Angle is saying that government cannot spend what it doesn't have and that there must be meticulous accounting for what it does spend. I practice that in my own budget and financial dealings; I don't think it's too much to expect my government to both carefully spend my money and accurately account for it.
The only thing that concerns me more than Angle's candidacy is a media that is more sensational than critical. C'mon John, you can do better than this.
Maybe the Democrats' numbers look so bad because they are taking Angle's advice and "making lemonade."
Ms Angle's comments typify those right wing Christians who thump the Bible, make pronouncements on moral questions and utterly fail to follow what Jesus preached. I hope and pray that the fine folks of Las Vegas and Nevada will elect the laughing stock of America. Selecting Sharron Angle as your US Senator will make electing Chick Hecht (R-NV) from the 1980's Reagan revolution look like Daniel Webster. LOL!
The money the Federal Governemnt sent to New Orleans is OUR tax money. In New Orleans we paid taxes for decades and when we needed OUR money we asked for it. Your money was being sent to Iraq at the time. Go ask for it from the people that were spending your money there.
New Orleans and Louisiana are being treated as a colony. The federal govenrment is stealing our oil and then makes us beg for OUR money when we need it.
If we want to live here it's not nobody's business and this senate lady whatever her name is should not tell us where to live or what to do. The Netherlands have storm protection because they don't sent their money to a city 2 thousand miles away only to go beg for it afterwards.
To this senate lady: .... don't tax us, don't steal our natural resources and we can take care of ourselves when we need it after the biggest "natural" but really a federal made disaster this country have ever seen.
Despite people like her, I would like to thank the scores of Nevadans and other fellow Americans that extended a helping hand during our time of need. I would like to thank the hundreds of thousands of people that came here and help us clean up and restore our great city.
A New Orleanian by Choice