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StumblePublished Thursday, Feb. 5, 2009 | 3:17 p.m.
Updated Thursday, Feb. 5, 2009 | 5:38 p.m.
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Viewers tonight will hear a minute from the 9-1-1 call Seven Hills resident Belinda Saavedra placed in late December as police stormed her home.
As Jon notes, Saavedra and her boyfriend, Emmanuel Dozier, deserve Academy Awards if the two really did know it was the police attempting to break down the door in an effort to serve a search warrant for narcotics. The police claim to have yelled "Police. Search warrant," as they fired a shotgun to rip the bolts from an iron gate. The home's occupants and neighbors claim to have just heard commotion.
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The arrest warrant documents three cocaine purchases undercover officers claim to have made from Dozier outside the home prior to the execution of the search warrant. Police found no cocaine during the raid, Dozier is pleading not guilty to all charges and the judge at the preliminary hearing said the incident begs a review by Metro of its procedures.
We wanted to ask Metro a couple obvious questions... like why so much force for what seems to be a small-time dealer, if the accusations are true?
Why not arrange another buy and simply grab the suspect? Why endanger the lives of the police and others, including innocent children?
The police refused to appear but I've posted Metro's policy for executing search warrants as well as an audio recording of the entire 9-1-1 call.
We also wanted to ask the District Attorney's office why it filed abuse and neglect charges against a woman, as the complaint states, for being unemployed. Since when is the mother of an infant prohibited from staying home? Belinda Saavedra says her mother works two jobs so that Belinda may enjoy raising her children. Absent any evidence the children are lacking, should she even have to explain?
The only other allegation in the complaint against Saavedra is that her 13-year-old daugher was traumatized when Dozier fired shots at what he says he believed to be intruders. Really. That's what it says.
I am the grandmother to these innocent children and I can not stop crying after hearing the 911 tapes. I can only imagine the fear my family experienced that horrible evening. I have so much anger in my heart for these so called officer's of the law. My brother was a LT on the SAC Sherrif's department and I used to have the utmost respect for this brotherhood, but after this, never again. I have know Manny for ten years, and I can say without a hesitation that he would have NEVER fired at the door if he knew it was the police. To hear my granddaugther trying to comfort her mother brought to my knees. I will never forget the voice of my daughter's cries or my granddaughter's fear that they were being harmed. I appeal to every grandmother out there to stand up and fight for the rights of our children. Remember this could happen again and to anyone of us.
agant49, since I don't sell drugs this won't be happening to me or mine.
The criminal got arrested and three good officers shot. If Metro was the thugish force you believed them to be, Dozier would be dead.
The 9-1-1 call was staged as an alibi by a quick thinking criminal and his girlfriend.
You mean the criminals as in Metro Police. Get real how can a 911 call be stagged. You are talking about my family so maybe you should listen to the 911 tape again. And my daughter does not sell drugs and it happened to her. And how do you know for sure three GOOD officers got shot, are you sure they did not get hurt on their own. Where you there? so you are now being judge and jury. Maybe if you really knew what you were talking about, I could listen....
agant49,
You keep forgetting the police were serving a warrant on a DRUG dealer, they weren't breaking up a religous revival.
You're right I wasn't there, were you?
Freaks me out how many people are willing to give the criminals a pass and convict the police. If you think the officers shot themselves you are blinded by ignorance and family ties.
Hey getalife. You should get a life, seems like all you do is blog on things you know nothing about. 264 to date. No I was not there and no you don't know me so you need to keep your silly comments to yourself. You should be freaked out if you think for one minute that cops are so innocent. Hey did you know the cops first said on TV that they never fired any shots into the home....guess what GETALIFE, they did, six times. DO you think that was right, shouldn't they have done research to find out where the kids were. You don't know me or my family and until the jury decides who is the criminal, maybe you should blog something you know more about. Remember I have a copy of the police reports and I have been to the courts and I have seen the evidence,,,,,have you. I will no longer reply to someone who have NO LIFE God bless your soul
agant49,
congratulations on checking on my posting status, I don't keep track, it is refreshing to know I have a fan based following.
You are the true victim here, believing emotions and not believing the facts.
Good luck on visiting days.
agant49,
One final thought, since you obviously didn't read my posts; how do you know my true opinions?
BTW, spellcheck, your new best friend.
Seems you've already declared the man guilty before he's had his day in court, getalife.
Funny, as in another thread today, you're proselytizing about what a great American you are because you totally believe in the "War on Terror"... that the troops are the only reason we have free speech...
But you don't even believe in the criminal justice system. "Innocent until proven guilty?" A tenet of our system? Not in getalife's world.
I believe we are all innocent until proven guilty. I just don't buy into the "feel sorry" for criminal element.
BTW, I never called her free speech into question, I merely suggested that "spellcheck" might be her new best friend, as have many posters in other forums.
Get a life needs to get a life. Join the real world dude.
This kind of thing happens all the time. There is no such thing as innocent until proven guilty. In Nevada, it is guilty until proven innocent. Go spend a day or two monitoring the courts.
The war on drugs is a dismal failure that has done nothing more than incarcerate millions, breaking up families and depleting the tax base to pay for incarceration and putting men/women and children on welfare.
This isn't about feeling sorry for the criminal element, it is about the rights of a homeowner to defend himself, and the rights of this woman and child to be safe in their home.
The police are out of control and need to be put in their place. They are supposed to protect and defend. They are public servants who serve at the will of the people. WE ARE THE PEOPLE
to thebs and rcknrlfreak
thank you so much for the comments. As I told the family court lawyer that I was my daughter's harshes critic, but what has happened to our family is criminal. Listening to the 911 tapes broke my heart and although I was not there I can feel her pain. She is a fighter and comments from both of you help us all continue to fight. I thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Amen geezelouise
And thank you for your comments.
Wow, you think I need need to join the real world. WOW
The police is out of control, we are not heard a word from the chief of police how come? I guest he's waiting for his officers to go to kangaroo court.
This was really messed up by Metro, sorry to say.
I've talked to swat in another major metro area
and I'm told this deal was screwed up from the get-go. I know they are doing a tough job. Easy to armchair this from our computers; but mistakes were definately made. I'm also sure metro realizes this and is taking corrective measures & making policy changes, though I doubt you'll hear about that publicly; I'm sure this family is seeing one of Vegas's famous lawyers.
gmag39, while this may be the case it still amazes me how many people instantly jump to the "metro is evil" ship.
geezelouise, I stand by my premise, don't sell or do drugs and the police won't come knocking on your door, breakup your family or whatever idiotic complaint you have.
Through the liberalization of our laws the criminals have become more powerful than the police. SWAT officers specialize in serving drug warrants. If the criminals had weren't as powerful, Barney Fife could serve them.
There is strong proof that the family did not know that it was the police at the door via the 911 tapes.
Plus, common sense tells you that only a crazed dude will shoot at SWAT when he had nothing of a criminal nature in the house and he has to be concerned about his wife and children.
It is not like that he is a big time drug lord.
Once the 911 operator told him that it was the police then he gave up peacefully.
There is the question on how he did get the black eye.
I think the DA will have a very hard time, if impossible task, of convincing all 12 jurists that he is guilty of the crimes that he got charged with that deal with the botched warrant entrance attempt.
I have had a couple of experiences with metro and hpd. None of them good. Each time was a traffic stop in which I was harrased and treated as a suspected criminal. Once I was even handcuffed and made to stand in front of their squad car for all to see. When I asked why the handcuffs I was told it was because I was a big guy and could be dangerous. I can laugh at it now although still bitter about the incident. I don't trust the cops to do the right thing. They trample on citizens rights and commit almost as many crimes as they are supposed to prevent. Yeah, yeah there are some good ones out there but the bad ones make it difficult to tell who they are. Remember when you were told as a kid to run to a cop if you were in danger? Well I tell my kids to stay away from cops and tell them nothing until I am with them.
You can thank a liberal lawyer for telling your kids to afraid of cops.
You should also thank the libertarian founders who tried to put protection from this kind of activity into our Bill of Rights. What is truly amazing is that for once the Sun has got it right.
To the guilty Sayers:
Just how stupid are you? You have jumped into something you have been supporting your entire life. I'd bet you are better off than most. Laws were never enacted for the innocent, rather for the rich to be safe from their poorer neighbors. It is just the way things are. You know it and the poor really know it.
One of you sanctimonious fools gave an example of one doing nothing to get the attention of the police. Well, you're wrong. In January of 2001 my home was raided by swat for a meth lab. None ever found nor anything else illegal. Didn't stop my younger son and a friend from being handcuffed in front of the entire neighborhood as well as myself. Went to jail.
Made bail. Hired attorneys. Went to court. Was not allowed in the courtroom. "If we need you--we'll call you." After a year I went to federal court. Didn't take Metro too long to come running with a handful of money. I didn't hire an attorney from Nevada. I hired now retired, Gerry Spence, from Wyoming.
I have the pictures of the trashed home and the broken doors and security gates with the shot gun holes in many places. The police are always right? Are you more than crazy and stupid?
Yes, I took the money, but you'll never forget the horror of these legalized criminals breaking into your home at 11:30PM THERE WAS NO ANNOUNCING OF "POLICE--SEARCH WARRANT." There never is. This isn't TV.
Folks, this behavior of Metro/Swat is real. Don't be fooled by the hiding of the police, before they come clean with a interview. Do believe, the poisoning of the jury pool, by releasing a past police record is designed to poison you against the real actions of an out of line brutalizing police force. The courts won't allow it to happen--why should the police be able to do it in a newspaper article?
How does any police force justify the beating of an 84 year old man and the killing of a mother--in front of her two children and her husband? In your wonderful town of HENDERSON, NEVADA!
Folks! Wake up--you might be next, and if you aren't--"it is just by the luck of the draw". Unless you have money or are connected.
As a ordinary taxpaying citizen--you're next. Good-Ole-Boy isn't dead in Nevada. Dozier was doing just what he was supposed to do: "Protect his family." It doesn't matter whose bullet killed you--you're still dead. In all probability,
Metro shot themselves.
Getalife, I give credit where credit is due. The cops are the reason I tell my kids to be suspicious and beware of cops. Just like everyone else they have their good and bad. The thing is they can hide behind their authority and the blue sheild when they commit their crimes.
Maybe she gets up early. At least she's not trolling message boards and acting like a total creep. Keep your drunk typing comments to yourself. That or learn to spell and how to use grammar.
To Diceman:
You are beyond belief. You dirty little punk, to say something as crude to this woman and her grandmother says a lot about how you were raised.
No doubt in a sewer.
I'd bet you thought you were cute. My opinion, I think you need your mouth washed out with a good bar of soap, and your ass spanked by your mother. How dare you be so ignorant. Maybe, you'd like to say that to her husband. I like to see men stand up for their opinions.
Geezelouise. You've done well in your comments, as have several others. You should all complement yourselves on seeing a problem as it really is. Only through exposure will these incidents of police brutality and stupidity get back to order. This is an epidemic of public safety gone wild, and dangerous!
Are the killer police practicing "home security methods on their citizens?"
Might give you something to think about...
Ouch spartcus.
The damn guy was so offensive they pulled all his comments and his account. Man no civility out of that boy.
SWAT officers train extremely hard on tactics that are intended to SAVE the suspect, not take their life. Something totally different from other high speed/low drag teams like the SEALs or other military teams. Metro SWAT officers have written in their department policy that ALL SWAT callouts (serving high risk warrants where there is a strong possibility the suspects are armed/dangerous) MUST be audio taped. This has been put in place awhile back due to numerous bad guys claiming they didn't know it was the police upon entry. I'm sure this will be made available for the hearing.
Every one knows that people who deal drugs commonly carry and use firearms. This is due to the fact that drug dealers face "dope rips" all the time. A "dope rip" is a term used to describe when a drug dealer is robbed by another drug dealer or user to steal money/drugs and don't face the possibility of police being involved. "They robbed me for my drugs and illegally obtained money" isn't something you want to broadcast, especially to the cops. More than likely, if Mr. Innocent Until Proven Guilty truly did not know the police were coming in, it is probably because he thought a dope rip was taking place since he had just sold dope.
While I think there are things that the average citizen doesn't need to know with regard to how law enforcement functions for safety and confedentiality reasons, I think that everyday people should see what officers do and the duties they perform. While the show COPS sheds a little bit of light, I would suggest taking a ride-a-long with an officer at a substation of your choice. This would allow you to see how officers operate without a hightened degree of bias or "monday morning quarterbacking"; at the very least it would give you evidence to substantiate your claims of illegal activity and brutality.
getalife "You can thank a liberal lawyer for telling your kids to afraid of cops."
I'm no lawyer, but I agree with that. They should be afraid. Especially in Las Vegas.
My daughter and three friends were pulled over for a dead tailight. The cop stuck his head in the car and said "Who has the pot? I can smell it." None of them did. Then he made them get out of the car and demanded the right to search. No pot was found. Then he got angry because nobody would confess, and threatened to take them all to jail if someone did not produce the pot. None of them had any pot. None of them confessed.
Another cop arrived, his attitude changed, and he let them go without writing any ticket for the light.
My kid and her friends were terrorized by this man. Their only crime was being young and driving a car with a tail light out.
Ya, they're afraid of the cops. You bet. To me this was an abuse of his power and taking advantage of their naivety to trample on their rights.
And I can only begin to tell you of the feelings that course through my veins to know that some hot-shot self-important jerk was scaring the hell out of my kid for nothing.
So, sorry getalife, but I'm agreeing with the lawyer you're speaking about. From experience.
To Greenhorn:
Yeah, and the tooth fairy lives in Caesars Palace!
To johnevegas:
When you say you know from experience does that mean you were in the car? Or are you trusting the word of your daughter? I impart no disrespect towards your daughter, just seeking clarification on the evidence. And one idiot, if he in fact was one, doesn't mean everyone is like that.
To spartacusproject:
Feel free to elaborate. I'm interested.
I hope the Grandmother has a long talk with this gal so she learns to control herself and her behavior in an emergency! NOTE TO EMOTIONALLY OUT-OF-CONTROL PEOPLE: You learned how to NOT pee or poop your pants - now, grow up and learn how to help in an emergency and NOT make matters worse!
Of course she was scared, it was a scary situation, but geeeze louise, get a hold of your silly, stupid self - especially when you've got two children to protect!
NOTE TO ALL GIRLFRIENDS: It's probably a better idea NOT to get involved with criminal drug dealers and dopers - guess why they call them dopes! Guess what they call girls that run with dopes? Yeah, STUPID! Guess what they call girls that let criminal drug dealers and dopers in their house? Really STOOPUD! Guess what they call girls that let criminal drug dealers in their house around CHILDREN? IRRESPONSIBLE PARENT!
As for the S.W.A.T. Team and Cops - I think this will come back to bite you guys for making a bad decision on how to take this guy into custody. Of course, hind-sight is 20/20, but I'm betting a lot of people are going to say you should have called him on the phone and gotten him outside and arrested him in the open - then, gone into the house and searched. I sure hope these Metro officers will recover from their wounds quickly!
To Greenhorn:
I could be wrong, but seldom am when addressing a cop, or a wannabe. Man, you're just too obvious. You can't see the problem--you are the problem. However, that will change. History has told us many times over, the oppressed will arise--and I see that on the horizon.
You live your pathetic life in your little bubble and be happy. I can see you believe in fantasy, and I'm certain your mother loves you.
On the other hand, are the comments getting too close to your brutalizing protective world of the privileged?
Now might be a good time to go pick your nose and sleep it off.
To Jonathan Abbinet:
Some of what you have said could be related to the argument at hand. I didn't think the subject was about association of relationships. Isn't it about the blatant stupidity of the police in this matter and the search warrant destruction of a home, terror-stricken family-member's lives left in the wake of this raid, the possible killing of a teenage, a three month old baby and mother?
Feel free to go back to the statement of the original judge and read what he had to say about the arrogance and reckless manner to which this raid was carried out. Get real, folks, this happens everyday--4 X daily. This isn't an isolated incident.
Maybe a little investigation on the part of our blinded-lovers of public safety could do a little investigating. Caution: "Don't investigate--if you don't want to learn the truth about our tax-paid-for protectors of our lives, those of our loved ones--and how the swap teams really operate". In all likelihood, you won't like their operation. Again, this is not TV.
I certainly don't approve of drug deals or drug dealers. I'm concerned about the abuse of police power and where it will strike next. You might want to think about that... For the record: I didn't know Mr. Dozier had been convicted as of this writing.
Anyone for the constitutional amendment of not guilty before trial? Does anyone remember the saying: "I'd rather set 10 men free than to convict one person who was not guilty". Did fear of police bring about this change?
I don't remember anyone saying there is no need for police, just responsible thinking and intelligent police and their manners.
Have a good day.
Correction to Spartacus:
Yup, I make a mistake every now and then. The word manner should be replaced with the word: "policies!"
Las Vegas police are crooked... Before I moved to Las Vegas three years ago, I have never been literally beat up by the police. Ever since that cop got shot out here by the rapper with the ak and died, police have an alternative motive in everything they do. For instance: I got drunk one night on the strip, called a friend to come pick me up so that I wouldn't drive drunk. He showed up about 315 am and started drivin me home. I guess I passed out asleep because all of a sudden there were police at my window... Guess the driver fell asleep at a light and the officer pulled him over. They searched the car and found marijuana. Being that I didn't smoke, I thought it was really weird when the police tried to have me sign a ticket for it... I explained it was not mine and I only drink. They didn't like that too much and they hand cuffed me. Threw me in the back seat and took me to jail. When we got to the back and pulled into the jail, the police driving me said "You should of just sign the ticket, dummy." Got out of the car opened my door to the back seat and told me to get out... I had my hands behind me and didn't totally have all my balance with me so he grabed my shirt, pulled me out, made me trip on the door jam and practically threw me to the ground. Just then another officer walks up and they each get on the side of me ( one shoves a boot to my side ) and picks me up by the middle of my arms. So if you could imagine the pain I was in with my hands behind my back almost making a full rotation over my head. Screaming for my life and the use of my two arms in the future, i pleaded with them like a little o bitch. These guys were 200+ pounds while myself only weighing in at that time no more than 120. They in turn droped the case when I showed up to court with a drug test, audio recording on cell phone, and pictures of the scars from the handcuffs, bruises on arms and boot print on side. Bitches...
Couple questions though...
Why not set up a 4th drug deal to actually arrest him?
In that case why wasn't he arrested the first three deals?
The recording says it was 1045 pm i believe when a metro officer called dispatch and said swat was serving the search warrent. The policy states warrants should be issued between 0700 and 1900... that's 7 am and 7pm folks...
The policy also says that it should use a tie to extract any doors or barriers in order to not endanger others...
Why did they use a shotgun??? Who shoots a shotgun serving a search warrant?
If the police did their homework, which looks like they didn't, they would of known there were kids inside. Night time, shotgun, kids, not a good mix.
One report says police fired 6 shots back into the house... What kink of @#@$ is that.... I mean hopefully the report was wrong. But if it wasn't, what the @#$% was the police thinkin?
That's my story and I'm stickin to it!
Let me try using a little logic in chronological order:
Idiot decides it's cool to use cocaine. Same idiot figures out if he buys enough cocaine, then marks up the price and sells cocaine - he can get high on cocaine for free (and may win a prize in economics or business)?
Stupid girl decides to date idiot cocaine user/dealer. Really stupid girl decides to live with and get pregnant and have children with idiot cocaine user/dealer.
Idiot cocaine user/dealer decides it's no big deal to sell illegal drugs in front of his kids or his house. Stupid girl doesn't care as long as it's done outside - without even thinking about the risk to her children!
Naughty, nosey neighbors notice that some STUPID IDIOT is selling drugs in their neighborhood (putting everyone at risk) and the neighbors dare to insist that they don't want drug users or dope dealers in their neighborhood - and they call the big, bad po-lice men and women.
Police investigate and set-up a sting to bring the stupid idiot to justice by purchasing drugs from him right in front of his house where his stupid girl lives - with two totally innocent children.
Cops make an error in judgement by calling the S.W.A.T. Team to deliver the arrest warrant and gain access to the home - and their attempt to do so doesn't go as planned or hoped - police officers are wounded.
Incident gets lots and lots of publicity and every other type of criminal idiot and their stupid girl friends cry out police brutality because the stupid girl friend and her idiot drug user/dealer gangster were scared by the big, bad, mean 'ole po-lice men and women.
Grandma, Parents, Family and Friends swear that the idiot drug user/dealer and his stupid girl friend were just the sweetest angels!
Logical people, to include neighbors, just wish the idiot drug/user dealer and his stupid girl friend had thought through the possible, and the very probable, consequences of breaking the law in their once peaceful neighborhood!
You know, so two innocent children would not have become traumatized and police officers would not have had to risk their lives or get wounded!
I have great sympathy and empathy for the two innocent children and the wounded police officers. I have zero sympathy or empathy for the idiot drug user/dealer and his stupid girl friend as irresponsible parents endandering their own children.
If it were up to me, we'd give every criminal and gangster in this valley 30 days of amnesty to clean up their acts, turn in their dope, guns and stolen merchandise and begin cooperating with police, or face the consequences of S.W.A.T. Teams kicking in their doors and cleaning the criminals out of every neighborhood in Nevada - that would send a message that the public is fed up with their criminal life-styles!
As a law abiding citizen I do NOT live in fear of our police - and we are tired of living in fear of the local terrorists who have infected our neighborhoods!
Did the police make a serious judgement error - sure...and I am very concerned that corrective action is taken to avoid such errors in tactical judgement in the future...that's why cases like this get such scrutiny - and eventually make such good training tools!
Do I believe everyone in law enforcement are just perfect people - no. Am I concerned about anyone abusing the trust of the public and the power they have been authorized - absolutely!
So, while I'm sure the criminals will gain the sympathy of the politically correct crowd, and will get off easy and probably will win a large financial wind-fall - it's the traumatized kids and the wounded police officers I'm praying for and hoping will recover quickly!
I just want to live in peace with my law abiding neighbors - and we need the police to do that in today's society full of criminal sociopaths!
This kind of thing is happening all over America. Every citizen should be very, very concerned. Every one of us should be active in curbing excesses of police action like this. Thank this article and its writer for stoking this debate!
Radley Balko has written some very good articles on exactly this kind of thing. One of his excellent articles "Overkill: The Rise of Paramilitary Police Raids in America" can be found at http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_...
To getalife and all others who automatically trust the police without question -- wait until it happens to you, or someone close to you. As the police must be more accountable for their actions, not less.
I agree "KillerB" no one supports abuse of power or the abuse of excessive force by police - and we all must be vigilant and ensure effective corrective action is taken - I'm sure this sad incident will be thoroughly reviewed. But, I'm still going to give the benefit of doubt to the police until all the facts come forward!
To Johnathan
If you mean what you just said about waiting until all the facts come forward then let me ask you why you said such harsh things about my daughter without knowing all the facts. I sincerely hope when everything does come out you are humble enough to apologize. There are a lot of facts to this entire ordeal that you are not aware of and it truly hurts me when you continually called my daughter stupid. Not sure if you are a parent, if you are, I am sure you would not want anyone to call your daughter or son stupid without knowing the facts. All I am asking from all that take the time to blog is to keep the name calling out of this until all facts are out.
I'm waiting for mother of the year (not!) Belinda Saavedra to file a lawsuit claiming that she's got something coming from the taxpayers because her and her kids and the drug dealer that she was banging felt scared when the police came to serve the warrant.
The state should snatch her kids up and keep them until she can do better then living with a drug dealer and putting them in danger like she chose to do.
As for me, I support the police over drug dealing scum any day. But then I'm a law-abiding patriotic American. We're like that.
To Jonathan A:
You write as though you know an awful lot about this story. Almost like you were in on the planning of such a stupid cowboy raid. Cop, district attorney, city administrator, or informant? Which is it?
You assume much about the lives of those living in the household of Mr. Dozier, and the neighbors. Are you the neighbor that called in the police?
You were able to ascertain three drug buys were an invasion of drug dealers in your neighborhood? There is an odor here that needs further explanation.
Like you, I'm going to assume, you are telling the truth as you know it. You wouldn't embellish your knowledge in any way--would you?
However, most of us haven't had the cowardly attitude to attack the family, rather were airing out the paramilitary tactics of our civilian police department and their practices--which are becoming more aggressive towards citizens everyday. Why is that?
Without civilian attention brought to these murderous tactics the entire country will be at risk. Is that too hard to understand? Stay on track or get off the comment section. Don't open your own agenda.
Maybe you would like these invasions to be labeled "sport?" You know, like shooting fish in a barrel, and then, "calling yourselves sportsmen." Thought you might be interested.
And when she does she can buy you some common sense. I never ever claim to be mother of the year but I am NO A hole like you seem to be. Keep support the Nazi Cops and let's all hope this does not happen to you or someone you love. Oh, but maybe you are that Nazi cop. For anyone to wish these kids should be snatched up deserve to go to $#%%
To Jonathan A:
Doesn't it seem strange to you that the Mountain Lion Mother is fighting for the justice of her children? Which never should have been taken from her in the first place by our wonderful protectors. You have the audacity to challenge motherhood and fair play? And, she has never been charged with a crime in this fiasco?
I wouldn't say you're dumb--you're dumber than dumb! Doesn't say much for you, the police and the Child Protective Services Personnel. Seems like you're all scraping the bottom of a barrel.
Has your thought been diminished by swimming round and round in that barrel? Maybe claiming "dizziness" is an excuse you might provide. It beats what you have provided to the thinking public to date.
Mountain Lion I need a call.
As a law-abiding person who actually works a job every day instead of breeding kids and shacking up with a drug dealer, I have nothing to fear from the police. I would rather have 30 police officers in my neighborhood than one drug dealer or a drug dealer's sex toy.
Ideally, Dozier will spend the rest of his life in prison and ICE should snatch up the entire Saavedra clan (that means you too, agant49) and deport them to El Salvador in exchange for a like number of Salvadorans who promise to come here, work hard, obey our laws and become good, contributing citizens.
Hey Mr No Common cents
Guess what I work, in fact I work TWO very GOOD jobs and so did Doizer. So now your true colors come out. My kids will NOT be taken away and you will have to eat crow. Like I said before maybe one day you may be bless with common sense but for now you so lack. Will not address any more of your racist comments
How about if we forego any more Central American immigrants into Las Vegas, for now? We've got too many illegals here, and with the economy gone to hell for a while, our own citizens will need help these people take away from them.
agant49, you say Dozier worked two jobs, are you including drug dealer in the employment picture or did he have three jobs?
You can raise the caution flag all you want but I agree with Common.
I like how when you get challenged you respond "will not addreess, blah, blah, blah". If you can read, Common said to "EXCHANGE for a like number of Salvadorans who promise to come here, work hard, obey our laws and become good, contributing citizens." Show me how that is racist.
I think you are the racist.
Here's the deal; if Dozier worked two reliable and respectable jobs what was he doing selling drugs? Was he hoping to amass a fortune and buy the house he was renting? No, I don't think so, I think just like most thugs, you do what you know. In his case it was break the law.
hey getalife maybe you and common sense can room together and between the two of you maybe you will both get some common sense. The reason I will not reply because I refuse to lower myself to your stupid hateful comments when neither of you have any facts to support you words. Get a life and maybe you will see the real world COPS are human and guess what THEY SCREW UP TOO
And for clairfication, I have two jobs, Dozier had one with the sheet metal union.
agant49, no you were right, he had two jobs. Do you think he can get unemployment from the drug dealers union?
Are you defending the police now? Don't do that, you will take all the crazy things I think about you.
To Agant49:
It is useless to comment further with some people. You seem to have met your challenges.
Some people barely live above the line of decency--if they live at all.
However, I have participated in many of the comments here today and the last couple days. The one things that stands out is this: "Everyone seems to agree that the 'Bottle & Stoppers--The Dirty Rotten Coppers' were guilty of stupidity".
Can you really expect more than that from any depraved Las Vegan or Hendersonite? Most of the negative comments seem to be from the-old-time-Vegas-money-crowd, plus wannabes, and the politically connected. (Which is the same.)
Here's the rub--the money that's going to be won in the court fight is theirs, too. When you have money, and money doesn't matter to you, you can afford to be tolerant of the police and their policies. Here's the question: If it is only money, and I have plenty--why do I care? "When it happens to you! Maybe then?"
I'll bet most of these sour persons voted for the most vile of judges, Donald Mosley. The biggest hypocrite this state has ever produced. He never cared for parents or their children or safety & welfare--until an incident happened to him. Turned this putrid judge into a whimpering, sniveling puppy. Really the dog that he is, and always has been.
However, even Mosley hardly beats the vile judges of HENDERSON, NEVADA = MOSLEY WANNABES.
Have a nice day...
Spart, Mosley should be impeached, he is an over reaching hypocritical thug. His kid gets in trouble and he wants absolute leniency for kid.
Your kid shows up in front of him; he's the hanging judge. Worthless.
Sorry to disappoint, didn't vote for him either. Just so you know (probably don't care) I call things as I see them. I am not an idealogue.
To Common_cents & getalife:
You two need to shack up to get a life, and quit trying to be the conscience of this city & state by your infantile remarks. Do you realize you are down grading a mother of two children? Come on--grow up! Did you know one of the children (the oldest) is an honor student.
I don't find it very honorable with what you are doing? In fact, you're both disgraceful and should be ashamed of yourselves for being so trite and moralistic. Who are you kidding?
Certainly, not many of us out in the general public. Go home and sleep it off. You've been looking at yourselves in the mirror for too long.
Maybe your comments are so vile is that you don't like what you see in the mirror?
Ya think?
Spart, why don't you re-read the posts when you come down off your high.
I have never denigrated the mother or the kids.
I have never called anybody a "nazi". If the police were the "nazi's" you and agant49 think they are, Dozier would have been killed and his "girlfriend" would have been raped.
Stick to reading crime novels and brush up on history before you play with the big boys.
But this isn't about you, agant. It's about your daughter, who apparently has such low self-esteem that she has to live with a drug dealer because she cares more about getting her dope in trade for sex than she does about the safety of all her illegitimate kids.
What's she thinking, and what are you thinking defending that? If she hadn't put herself in that position in the first place, you wouldn't even have a reason to gripe about the police scaring her when they served the warrants, would you? She really needs to lose those kids and spent a few years in prison herself just for being so stupid.
getalife,you need immediate mental health help. A liberal lawyer hugh? You are the picture person of the perfect inbred redkneck illiterate lack jawed ilk that poisions our society.
commom_sense a person who is all mouth and no back bone.
The cops blew this one big time. If it was a biker gang or real gangsters they would have called the federal authorities. Over kill with no brains by metro.
To common_cents:
Since I'm guessing you are referring to yourself as one of the big boys. I have a diet for you. First step is to stay away from the refrigerator.
Something I said got you looking at a vile reflection in a mirror again? You're too shallow to intelligently exchange ideas. That's what happens when you live the moralistic life of "I'm the only Perfect One". Your planet is just too far away for any one, but you, to enjoy. Have a nice life.
Your comment was so foolish it reflects your loneliness for someone to correspond with and try to be intellectual. Didn't do it. Sorry.
Homer, re-read your rant. Comma's and spell check would help your case.
You are either drunk or naturally stupid.
dude I am laughing my a$$ off over your rant, you think I need mental help. You can't spell or write coherantly. Nobody can fix stupid and you my friend can't be fixed.
I think its funny that anybody that supports the police and is down on drug dealers has their mental stability questioned.
The SWAT team/police really smell foul on this one!!! The 911 tapes are a clear indication that the household was frantic and had no idea that SWAT was at their door...The 13 year old is old enough and smart enough that if she would have heard "Police! Search Warrant" through the door, thats what she would have reported to her parents. She didn't hear anything but shots and the windows being broken out and just a lot of commotion. I truly hope that this case brings to light, that those who are supposed to protect and serve the people sometimes take this power into their own hands. Its a real travesty, no wonder the police can't form any type of relationship with the community!
Spartacus, love your posts. Keep it up.
MK, you are right. Why can't more people live in the real world?
This stinks, badly.
Lots of very intelligent people can't spell. Get over it. Even Einstein had a problem with the real world.
Investigate the policies and procedures of the police who terrorized this family.
To all sympathetic posters,
Here is the lesson; don't sell drugs or do drugs and your life won't be turned inside out.
Einstein, hasn't he left the building?
getalife:
Your riddle on Einstein:
That is a good job for you--go find out, and while you're there, bring back some cokes!
Spart, do you want coke ZERO or the real thing?
Based on your posts my guess is ZERO. The real thing is too much to handle.
"Can you really expect more than that from any depraved Las Vegan or Hendersonite?"
Good to know that's who you think is talking. It helps to clarify the uselessness of everything else you said.
To All a Farewell:
Can't stimulate you any further.
It was my pleasure to entertain you for the short while we were together.
Have a nice life. I will...
Spart, go in peace.
To johnvegas:
John you weren't following very closely when the comment was made. I had to go back to see where you placed in this comedy. Of all things, I certainly did not mean you nor to insult you. You've experienced some of Metro's fine public relation traits.
I stand by the remark of Henderson & Las Vegas, as a whole, most of the citizens do not understand, or want to understand, what is about to happen to them--if some do not speak out for them and give the warning.
I know it sounds sinister, but true.
I'm gone. Live well...
Spartacusproject-i think we are all glad your gone....go blog somewhere else where you think you are stimulating...lol. Your a comedian too!
This isn't about you! And to getalife...I mean really...the police don't have the right to go vigilante on people...thats why there are regulations and procedures they should have followed...if the judge is criticizing their actions, just maybe the police tactics were a little shady that night? If he was such a big drug dealer, where were all the drugs? It was a waste of time and tax payer money!!!!
To Agant 49: Keep your head up...we are all praying for this family! Stay strong!
"I'm gone. Live well..."
Why leave? You're still going to see yourself in everything around you. Better to change your reflection. Ironically, that IS how to live well.
TO MK
Thank you for your prayers and my daughter and her family will continue to be strong. I live in California and is so hard not being there to help each day. Wish some of the other hateful people that made comments would realize that yes, it could happen to them or someone they know. Just yesterday I heard a COP say "We shot first and ask questions later". How scary is that, but is happening more and more and not just in Las Vegas.
I also want to thank Mr. Ralston for bringing this issue to the forefront and for having the courage to fight.
And to all bloggers, I respect your freedom of speach and although some of your comments so fired me up, I do hope that when all is said and done you will hold up your hateful comments until you have all the facts.
I really think the issue is why did this situation get so crazy? It's hard to imagine that anyone listening to the tapes would be able to gather that Dozier is guilty of either selling any drug or of knowingly shooting a police officer. I heard him say he had fired a gun that was registered in his name (not something criminals generally do by the way). I heard him say he wanted to cooperate and way afraid for his life. He very much understood what could happen to him once the reality of the situation was clear to him. And, again, even IF he had previously sold drugs from that home, he would have known that there weren't any in the home at that time, so why would he go to all the trouble of firing at police officers and risking his freedom forever, when he would have just let them come in and ransack his house with time left for him to get a few hours sleep in his own bed?
None of this makes sense. None of it. You could even hear the women at dispatch completely at a loss for what to do in order to keep that family safe from law enforcement officers. Again, from law enforcement officers.
I just think the whole situation begs the question, why do we allow our law enforcement agencies, paid for with our money, to run riot with very little accountability. I am wondering, if one of those children had been shot by one of the officers, which was a REAL possibility, would the conversation on this forum have gone differently? And would we be ranting about policies and procedures then or just "shoot first, ask questions later" and chalk those lives up to the high price of a search warrant illegally executed. Can't have it both ways folks. We either think the police should have handled this differently or we don't. Seems like there never would have been any officers down if they had done their job correctly. I wonder, can they be charged with endangering themselves? Seems fitting.
To Texastaverniers
I so ditto everything you have said. My granddaughter was just a few feet away from the front door when all this happened and could have been shot by the Police as she was running down the hall in fear someone was breaking in. As a side note, I had originally scheduled a trip to my daughter's house during this time frame and I normally stay in the family room which, when the police shot through the door, would have hit me. There is a lot to this ordeal that the general public has no knowledge of and yet they have already convicted and sentenced my family. Thank you
I would also like to add that we should be very VERY careful about just assuming innocence when it comes to police officers. Particularly in that face of evidence that, at the very least, suggests something went horribly wrong.
Truly, no matter where you stand on this issue, we can't just sit blindly by while innocent people (we CAN all agree that the children were innocent, can't we) are put in harms way because officers did not do their job properly. It is a far more dangerous place where authority cannot be questioned when it puts citizens lives at risk.
Is this the type of people Las Vegas DA has them working for them? I say calling the kettle black.. Isnt he the Family Court DA that is prosecuting the case in the Dozier-Saavedra case.
Gambling addict's misery detailed
Tue, Oct 1, 2002 (11 a.m.)
Ron Cordes knew he needed help with his gambling addiction the day he pulled out a loaded pistol and considered using it to take his own life.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2002/oct...
Hmm.. Mr. Cordes probably lost his family due to his actions and as a result and unfortunately he is trying to destroy this family. He loses his private practice but yet he is allowed to practice in a court of law representing Las Vegas. Hmm gambling, drinking also leads to prostitution. It's interesting what else we will find about Mr. Cordes.
I am shocked and just sickened about what this poor family had to go through! they are clearly scared and the police clearly are not following any safety procedures! And what is up with the Henderson dispatchers, they can't even transfer them to the Metro pd? This was botched from the start, and it says in the article above the police shot first-supposidley to unlock the gate, but still, Manny had the right to defend himself. These poor children! At least Manny knew he wasn't shooting at the kids, but the police had no idea who they were shooting at, nor did they care obviously! This is why people don't trust the police, they are CRIMINALS! I know there are few police officers out there that really do uphold the law, but the reality is, most cops are so crooked. its no secret that even memebers of organized crime rings have cops in their back pockets! As stated in the article this could have been handled a lot differently, and too take these kids away! If I was a member of this family, I would sue the police department! I hope this woman gets her kids back and this man get out of jail and these cops and swat members are FIRED! Think about it like this, what if you lived next door, and as an innocent by stander, was shot by one of these cops bullets? That is why these cops are wrong, they didn't just endanger a "criminal" they endangered this whole damn neighborhood! And for what, they went there for drugs and they got NOTHING!
Im praying for this family, and praying they get the justice they deserve!
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - George Orwell
And spartacusproject, post away buddy. I'm sure that your barbs and insults are a great way to influence someone towards your ideals and way of thinking. Just a thought.
See you in the street. Semper Fi
To saywhat - Might want to get ahold of the FBI. I'm sure they would like to know about your indepth knowledge of the corrupt scandal that could bring local law enforcement to it knees :)
Besides the fact that the cops are the biggest crooks in Las Vegas they must also be stupid as well. Why couldn't they just arrest the man when he was only at home sleeping. The only other thing I can think of is that they believed that the man had valuable item(s) or money which they could steal and that's why they had to forcefully get into the house doing something like this. The Las Vegas Metro police station is so corrupt that I don't believe a honest police would be able to work there because of all the corruption going on around them, they would not be able to survive through this much evil. I'm a type of person who sees someone on the floor and helps them get up not check to see if they have something valuable and this is my chance to kick them and run off with the persons valuables. That's what the Las Vegas Metro officers are like, they are like a bunch of people who came out of jail and made fake identities to become cops and do it like Bugsy Seagle and do it all legal. Its really sad because the have so much power and take advantage of it in such a bad way. Now in this particular case if this man was really a drug dealer then he had it coming to him not in this way of course because the kids are innocent but a drug dealer is as bad as the cops and would do the same thing as the cops did but I feel sorry for myself and all the other innocent hard working legitimate people who have been beaten robbed and life's have gotten ruined do to evil people like them.
When I went to jail, I was beaten, robbed, and they gave me a court date for a charge which I had to find out what it was for when I got back home a few days later (disorderly conduct). All I did was walk out of the restroom in a casino and then tackled from the back placed in hand cuffs and taken away. They left many bruises on my body and worst then that tore some ligaments in my ankle took me to jail and put me in a cell. When released in the morning I was given back my I.D. and chap stick. They stole a couple of thousand dollars which I had with me Casino Chips, Betting Tickets, Cash, ATM Credit Cards, and Cell phone. When I was released, I could barely walk and I didn't even have my credit cards to at least try to find an ATM machine. I had to beg for someone to let me use a phone so I can get help getting out of there. When I refused to leave without my property all they said was fine you can spend another night here. Not only that but they gave me a court date for me to come back which then I had to higher a Lawyer and drop a few more thousand and believe me man I went through the biggest shock stress and now I know what it means to have butterflies in your stomach. After getting a criminal attorney to drop all the Bull Sh*t Charges they made up on me I talked to some civil attorneys and realized that I'm getting low on cash and I don't have a case, like all other situations the judges is not going to believe my story and I can't prove it because the cops will not give their video tapes showing casino chips and stacks of cash coming out of my pocket but my paper work shows I was released with I.D. Chap stick, & some change about 71cents. After that I realized due to the corruption I'm better off spending another 10 grand on buying guns and paying other corrupt cops to get address's and other people to kill the families of the corrupt cops to make them go through what they made me go through but instead I didn't want to get in trouble so I just started doing heroin for a few months to be able to sleep without too many nightmares and bring my anger down. Now all I can do is share my story and try to get back to work and stay far away from Vegas and other possible corrupt places. But I'm only thankful because I have my family and I leave it up to God to punish those who need to be punished.
This man should not be accused of murder. That is crazy. He didn't know that they were cops and even if he did it was 4 am in the morning and he was just protecting his family and himself. You can give him drug charges or any other charges that are true but murder for shooting people braking into your home, omg we need to have riots if he is guilty for murder. The jury will be a fake if he gets charged for attempted murder that is crazy. The cops who where shooting at the house should be charged and look at the mans face, why did he have a bruise like that. For protecting himself and his family?