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Published Wednesday, Nov. 5, 2008 | 12:14 a.m.
Updated Wednesday, Nov. 5, 2008 | 12:14 a.m.
WASHINGTON -- Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid declined tonight to discuss the political future of Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman, but said the two are expected to talk Thursday.
Lieberman, the Independent Democrat, has been at odds with Democrats over his support for Republican presidential nominee John McCain.
But the party has refrained from taking action. The Senate was narrowly divided before tonight's election, when Democrats widened their majority.
Republicans, including Nevada Sen. John Ensign, have said they would welcome Lieberman should he choose to switch parties.
He deserves a good punt over to the all welcoming republicans (they can take possession at the one yard line).
The Democrats should kick Liberman out the party.
Kick him to the curb! The Republicans can have him and his LIES. He's a bloody neocon.
If the Republicans can regain some of their decency, they'll soon toss him out of their way too.
I would actually agree with you, Jim, except Lieberman left the Dems a couple of years ago to become an Independent. He was put off by the fact that an actual Liberal beat him in the CT primaries. LOL. So he took his toys and went home as it were and became an Independent.
He did, however, have the unmitigated gall to refer to himself as a Democrat while he was speechifying at the Republican convention this year.
He should just join the Republicans. He hasn't been a "Dem" in ..... well, it's been quite a while.
Lieberman's primary goal is to be on the winning side, whichever one that is. This is a time for change, not a changeling. Out of the caucus with him!
Typical Dems. If you don't toe the party line, dump him. Lieberman is a great man, a man of integrity. We will gladly accept him in the Republican party and let the Democrat fascists run their party and our country into the ground.
"Lieberman is a great man, a man of integrity."
LOL. Did you say the same thing about Jeffords?
Oh BTW, the Republican fascists ALREADY ran their party AND our country into the ground.
Time for change!
(You should really look up the definition of words before you use them.)
dave202 "Democrat fascists run their party and our country into the ground."
Dave, I have read your statement over and over again. Each time I do, I see another layer of disowned, disconnected, out-projected shadow material. It's like peeling an onion. It's as if every word expresses a hidden secret.
You might want to look at that. You might find anger and resentment there. And if you we're willing to look and be honest, you might make statements like "I'm really unhappy my side lost last night. I hope the democrats do a good job".
Then we would be able to read your posts, identify with your disappointment, find compassion for you, and empathize with your fears. It would bring us all closer together.
Just my thoughts.
"And if you we're willing to look and be honest, you might make statements like "I'm really unhappy my side lost last night. I hope the democrats do a good job".
Then we would be able to read your posts, identify with your disappointment, find compassion for you, and empathize with your fears. It would bring us all closer together."
Just like you did in 2000 and 2004. Thanks for the advice jonnyboy.
Yes, all the Democrats should call Reid and tell him to blast Lieberman out of the Democratic caucus and to strip Lieberman of all his chairmanships.
Joe "the Joker" Lieberman. Joe's allegiance,
and I'm not judging him on it, just stating the fact, lies with 2 countries. That's part of his makeup, his politics. And now, he's like the shy person in the middle of the room at the party with no one to talk to and not sure which way to turn.
Just remove him from his committees. Isolate him and he will shrivel politically and lose his next election to a Democrat.
Lieberman is finished politically. Connecticut will not reelect him in 2012. He'll flounder in the Senate for four more years and then he'll retire. For the next two years at least, it doesn't really matter whether he caucuses with the Dems. Whatever they can do with a simple majority they'll do without Lieberman. Anything else will require the help of Republicans and the Dems will either get that or they won't regardless of which way Lieberman swings.
Joe Lieberman has been, shamelessly, hanging off coat tails for years. First he wanted to run for President then he became Al Gore's running mate in 2004 and since then he has been prominently "palling" around with Republicans. Joe "the" Lieberman is an opportunist who needs to be watched carefully. Although we are in a moment of unity and hopefullness I'm sure Senator Reid is well aware of selfish motives.
Petraeus-Lieberman 2012!
Cannon - "Thanks for the advice jonnyboy."
Not my advice. Wisdom of the ages. I just pass it along for your benefit or not.
But why would you base your behavior on what somebody might have done in 2000/2004? That seems adolescent to me. You keep implying superiority. Why don't you prove it instead?
Oh Yea we elected(I should say, "you" did)a black man with ties to terrorists, white hating, America hating preachers, crooks, and ACORN. And you all have the gall to judge Joe Lieberman. People who support "your" candidate have even wanted Joe the Plumber dead, simply for making "your" man look bad. I hope "we" all can live with the "change" you voted for.
Nice vickiallred, even as you get your butts handed to you by America, you continue spewing the same lame junk that McCain and his affiliates used, and that's the same garbage that didn't get him elected.
As far as I've heard, no one wanted Joe "the Plumber" dead.
The palling around with terrorists didn't sway the electorate, and its repeated use in fact probably alienated a few people.
And yes we do judge Lieberman. He was our #2 in 2000, and now he's helping to run McCain's campaign. It would've been one thing for him to support him, but he was very vocal and stumped for him. Of course the dems are disappointed and angry at him. No more than republicans would be to a high level defector to the other party.
There's no real ill will, but we are all disappointed and don't really want him in the party. It would be on par with Al Gore or John Edwards stumping for McCain, or Bush Sr or Cheney stumping for Obama. Same rules apply.
vickiallred, I am a racist like you, and a sexist too. I would really enjoy hearing your reasons why America should not have elected a black man. Though I voted for Obama, I'm definitely against white women holding any position of authority. Not all white women though. Just you.
So Johne, now that a black man won the highest office in the county without affirmative action, do you think we will see those racist laws thrown aside?
Or was Obama elected because of institutional white man racism?
Democrats don't believe in freedom of speech, that is very apparent from the comments wanting to throw Joe Lieberman away, just because he followed his conscience.
Why don't you communists go live in China, they would welcome you with open arms.
This is still a free America at least for the time being before Obama's Muslim friends come swarming in.
That was very grown up of you johnevegas. More of the same. We try to have a rational discussion and you pull out the race card. My point, were you intelligent enough to have gotten it, is that you feel politically correct for having done it. I don't care what color he is. I am afraid of his policies and his friends and ideas, not his skin. And as to you redferret, my "butt" wasn't handed to me. Out of nearly 120 million people, only 7 mil more voted for your candidate. Hardly a mandate. That still leaves a whole lot of people not happy with "your" new president. The thing that bothers us on the republican side is this; you don't seem to care about the morals and character of the man, it isn't that it was garbage that was lobbed at him. It was the truth, and you simply don't care. You also seem to care more about him looking good or drawing a crowd than you do about the substance of which he speaks. I can understand you think Joe Lieberman was disloyal, but wasn't it your party that betrayed him? You wanted change for sake of change. I believe you have no idea what you've done, and I think we will all pay dearly because of it.
Wow, nice debunked racism ckblv. In case you didn't get the memo, OBAMA ISN'T A MUSLIM.
And it's our freedom of speech that allows us to vocalize our disagreement with Mr. Lieberman. He still has the right to do whatever, and he can even switch over and become a republican.
But to totally debunk your screed,
What if a high level Chevrolet exec hung out with a lot of high level Ford execs. Went so far as to even promote a competing Ford product over Chevy's. Now wouldn't Chevy be angry?
While Obama earned about a 7% win in the popular vote, McCain was creamed in the electoral college. And for the record half of what McCain and his affiliates raged on about was false or distorted. Just face it that McCain lost. He could have run a tight campaign on the issues. Instead he focused almost entirely on how bad the other guy was. America is getting past the "I'm not as bad as my opponent" style of politics. Seriously I never really heard McCain say what he was for, only what was wrong with Obama.
And we didn't betray Lieberman. He lost a primary to another democrat, called himself an independent, whomped on both candidates in the actual election, and then went all rogue on us.
vickiallred - Did you listen to McCain last night? Time to drop the B.S. vicki.
Sorry you can't deal with your own vitriolic cow manure. We'll have a "mature" conversation once you stop spewing hate. Otherwise, I think I was real clear about how I felt. No better or worse than you, except that I have "actual reasons" for my opinion of you.
KDR81 "So Johne, now that a black man won the highest office in the county without affirmative action, do you think we will see those racist laws thrown aside?"
Did we elect a black man? I only noticed a man standing there. I do not know what he will do about the laws your think are racist, but I'm hoping he'll create public transit where minorities get to tell all the white people where to sit.
"Or was Obama elected because of institutional white man racism?"
I think he was elected as the better candidate by a majority of voters. Anything else would probably be your overlay. Meaning, your personal story for whatever you saw happen. Is that what do you saw happen?
Isn't it amazing. You say John never said what his policies were. Obviously you didn't hear. He wasn't, I will readily admit, as fluent a speaker as Obama. Good reason not to vote for him. I don't give a damn about the electoral college. It is a means of winning that I wish were abolished, however, it doesn't take away from the actual votes of real people. The facts are the facts. Your candidate just simply didn't know. He didn't know that his pastor was spewing anti white and anti American filth for twenty years. He didn't know his aunt was in America illegally, didn't even know where she was, his dad's sister. He didn't know that Ayers was a terrorist. He didn't know that Rezko was a crook or that he was getting a fabulous deal on his home for no reason. He didn't know his wife had never been proud of her country till this election. He didn't know that over 43,000 of his donors had given amounts well over the legal limit. Face it, your candidate was really clueless, and I'll bet you didn't know.
I rest my case.
Nothing there about why McCain was superior, just a lot of dreck about why Obama was worse.
And I've heard all those things. All of them. I even got to hear the real side splitter of Obama has had gay sex with Larry Sinclair and sold/bought crack with him and smoked it (sorry if anyone considers that a double entendre). Again what was McCain about?
I mean I know McCain accepted a pastor who said Hitler was doing God's work against the Jews.
I know McCain flopped around about debates to not talk to Obama.
I know he suspended his campaign to continue his campaign minus a David Letterman interview.
I know he pick Palin to get the woman vote.
I know he sang bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran.
I know he was censured for the Keating Five scandal.
Ohhhhhhh I agree JohnEVegas.
A man defeated another man in a fair competition for the highest office in the country. There were no handouts. There were no extra votes giving because of someone's race or no extra campaign contributions given because of your skin color.
People who voted for one side were not penalized and people for the other side were not rewarded.
Interesting then that we still live in a country where two men are still not equal. Where one man get extra profits because of the color of his skin. Where one man can get special treatment in schools or in work because of the color of his skin. Or where a man can get special legal protection because of the color of his skin.
Amazing, there really are two Americas.
One where a man can defeat another man in a contest for the highest office in the country with no preferences given to him, and another America where other men are told they aren't good enough so here "have some help" and they're given preferences at the expense of another man.
Well, it is time for me to end my day. I am sorry ksiffermann, I am not as good a person as you are. My fear is that I will have more of my conservative rights taken from me now. Will they pass the fairness doctrine now? Will unborn children still be murdered in their eighth or ninth month of life in the womb? Is my right to own a gun in more danger than ever? Will he put more liberal judges on the bench, which will have an effect for conservatives for many many years to come? Will he indeed turn back the tide on welfare? Will he try to push socialist ideas? Well, this is one republican who is going to do everything she can to stop him. That's my job as an American citizen. Good night everyone!
I'm sorry the balance I see offends your sensibilities.
I know some people choose for the reasons you stated. I'm not one of them, but I do not deny what you said at all. I just see it differently than you do, and in my mind it is balanced pretty well.
Take the actual choosing, if you will. Some people chose Obama because he is black and so are they. Agreed. But some people chose McCain because he is white, and so are they. A push in my mind.
I can't control how people choose. But this seems like a balance to me, and that nobody had the advantages you imply.
I get, loud and clear, that you do not agree, but I hope you will see where I'm coming from.
KDR81, grasshopper. Again I say, you must be a young one. There are many factors at play here,
many of which you wouldn't understand because you were not there. Have you walked a mile in their shoes? Probably not.
Gmag,
You must mean how GOVERNMENT enslaved their ancestors.
Or how GOVERNMENT created a poll tax to keep them from voting.
or how GOVERNMENT had them segregated.
Or how GOVERNMENT keeps them in crappy schools.
I know what has happend, I know my history. I know GOVERNMENT perpetuated racist laws in the past and in the name of correct past racism allows racism to continue.
Racial preferencing is about political patronage. Its about creating a token handout and hoping African Americans keep voting democrats. Its why their schools suck worse now than they did 50 years ago, but they still keep turning out in record numbers to vote for those who throw them a little bone.
The GOVERNMENT is the problem to their problems, not their solution.
JohnEVegas,
If your comment was directed at me, I doubt it because it missed the point, then you missed the point.
Obama won the election without racial preferencing. In America we have racial preferencing. Why should we have racial preferencing if one disadvantaged person can now win the highest office in the country in a fair fight?
If not now when? If there was never a time to say that racism in America has diminished to a point where an African American can call his life his own and make of it what he will there never will be that time in this country. Racial preferencing will continue so long as one party can suck votes from its existance and will in no way be related to any positive benefit it might bring toward society. At such a point it only serves to divide.
Joe is a good man who is not afraid to stand up for his convictions...That is more than I can say for most politicians...I think that he should stay as an independent or become a republican, in the end either choice is the same. If he becomes a democrat again the dems will have a filibuster proof majority, and face it no 1 party should have all of the power. Dems and Repubs working together is the only way that we can achieve what is best for everyone....
KDR
"Why should we have racial preferencing if one disadvantaged person can now win the highest office in the country in a fair fight?"
I think I understood you the first time. And, I had a feeling that where we actually disconnected in the was in the polarities.
IMHO, you have being absolute. I don't see it that way. My answer would be that we will not need those preferences when color doesn't matter at all, not when one black man was able to overcome the resistance.
I have no freekin' idea when that will be. Do you? Are you saying that Barack's win means that all racism in this country has ended? I don't think he meant it that way. Nice sentiment. But..uh.. I don't think so homer.
We're closer. A lot. I'll give you that. It's a proud moment for all of us. And I'll bet next time color wont matter as much to as many. Women? Sure. No biggie. We're closer there too. I'm putting my money on homosexual president being next big thing.
Wow! Did something just explode in here! Look out!!!
Harry Reid is poison,only interested in showing he has power rather than using that power for the good of the American people. People like him will destroy any good Barack Obama will try to do.People of Nevada should dump thet scumbag!!!!!!!
KDR...My point, grasshopper, is not whether you are aware of the facts.
I've learned all about the great depression, but since I didn't live through it, I cannot possibly fully comprehend it's significance in the lives of those who have.
I've learned much about different wars, but not having been there myself, I cannot possibly fully comprehend the true nature of war.
Knowledge is a great thing, and you are obviously not stupid. But I'll ask you again;
have you walked a mile in their shoes? All is not in black & white. No pun intended.
Harry Reid has NO business sitting in judgement of anyone, much less a great American like Joe Lieberman.
Sounds like the Dems are sore winners.
Rverp1 .... oh how I wish I could see into the past so I'd know whether or not you had the same exact sentiments when the republicans controlled the entire government.
People like "vickiallred" should be ignored.
In perpetuity.
SIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's very tolerant of you Patricia, and you supposedly the party of tolerance. Perhaps you are not secure in your beliefs, and that is why you are so afraid of mine. I was angry and hurt yesterday, and I was sad. Sad because I am old enough to remember America in a way that no young person of today could understand. I have seen the shift over so many years. Some shifting needed to take place. In spite of how you try to label us on the right, I am not a racist. But I believe in equality. Your side believes in special rights. There is a difference. And until we meet in the true middle, this will never be accomplished. Your side pushes beyond the middle and tries to shove your point of view down our throats. We have no choice but to try to protect our views. We push back. And so the battle goes, pushing and shoving, and getting nowhere. And what is your answer, Patricia? Ignore the other side. Great communication skills.
Sorry, vicki, but I'm quite "secure in [my] beliefs".
You, however, apparently have at least a few insecurities despite your "toning down" in this most recent post. Your previous posts showed you ARE a racist; your words speak volumes.
"Your side pushes beyond the middle and tries to shove your point of view down our throats."
And just what exactly has your side been doing since at least the days of St. Ronnie? An entire industry (hate radio) was born because you all were so put out by Clinton beating GHWB in an election.
It seems quite disingenuous of you to lecture anyone on a moral high ground when you don't have one on which to stand.
Your side's answer has been I ME MINE and to hell with anyone who needs help. "Pull yourself up by your bootstraps" is your side's credo, never allowing for the fact that maybe that person doesn't even have boots.
Sorry I do not share in those "sensibilities" as I was raised quite a bit differently than that.
Perhaps ignoring people like you is a mistake. As I told another on these boards, I'd prefer to give you all the outlets you need to show the world the hate, bile & venom you spew.
Well said Patricia.
Vicki, I see you said you were hurt and angry. That's a much better way of putting it than I did to you. I'm sorry for that.
What I should have said is, that I was frustrated and angry by the statements you made. I feel that you are really unfair and one sided, and that you are spreading falsehoods about president elect Obama without regard to checking your facts first.
But instead I gave you back what I saw you bring. I wanted you to know the impact that YOU are having.
I look forward to your comments as anyone else. But if you're going to spew like that, you had better buckle your seat belt first. You're likely to get the same back at you.
Lastly, you keep saying how you are not a racist. Um, you really might want to look at that. The evidence you leave does not quite reflect that belief of yours.
I would suggest that you are spewing very well yourself. You do not know me. But as I said before, when you have no other ammunition, you pull out racist or sexist. I have "toned" down a little, because it is another day. Some of the hurt and fear has subsided. But the determination to protect my rights and my country are stronger than ever. Your side usually tries to make the right seem uncaring about the poor and down trodden. Another ploy. I have never been wealthy, never will. I actually am one that would benefit greatly from some of the programs that Obama said he would put into place.But I do not believe I should just be handed money or opportunities because of my skin color, my sex, or my sexual preference. I do believe that it is the American dream to own a home. But I do not believe it is a right. We have gone away from hard work with the rewards that brings. Everyone thinks they are owed a living. I deserve what I work for, and I believe anyone can need a helping hand, and I have, but not a hand out without having to repay it in some way.
Wow; way to change the subject, Vicki.
Of course I don't know you; and based solely on your posts, I don't really care to either. You could be the nicest person in the world IRL, but online you leave much to be desired in the "humanity" arena. Sorry; but it's what you've portrayed. Read up if you doubt me.
Did you ever stop to think that the reason my "side usually tries to make the right seem uncaring about the poor and down trodden[sic]" is because that's what the right puts out there with its words and its actions?
No, I don't suppose you have.
The rest, well, you just kind of trail off into the usual right wing talking points, none of which are worth a reply. Sorry.
To be fair, I went back and read everything that I have said here. Not once did I call any of you a personal name. I referred to your side or your candidate. I did suggest you weren't intelligent enough to get my point John, and for that I am sorry. That wasn't nice.I would just hope that you would also be fair. I am passionate about what I believe in just like you are. Just because I don't believe the way you do, doesn't make me bad or wrong. Time will tell.
Here is your benefit of the doubt Vicki.
"I don't give a damn about the electoral college."
Can you honestly say that would be your opinion if it helped your candidate win? Your statement seems incredulous.
"Your candidate just simply didn't know. He didn't know that his pastor was spewing anti white and anti American filth for twenty years."
This statement seems like nonsense to me. You don't know better than anyone else what Obama knows or does not know. And, you don't know what Reverend Wright said for 20 years. You only know what was shown on TV. And, I think it is WRONG to judge anyone on their religion. That IS what you are doing here.
"He didn't know his aunt was in America illegally, didn't even know where she was, his dad's sister."
Who gives a crap? Is he in charge of everyone in his entire family of relatives? I have no idea where 3 of my nieces are or how much welfare they are collecting right now. They're utterly irresponsible people. I could not care less where they are and have zero say so in their lives.
Do you control your family?
"He didn't know that Ayers was a terrorist."
See above on all the stuff you know. But, tell me how one acquaintance defines who a person is? I have lots of friends, and am my own person with my own opinions. What, exactly, are you implying?
"He didn't know that Rezko was a crook or that he was getting a fabulous deal on his home for no reason."
Well known. Look it up yourself if you care. Not on Newsmax either!
"He didn't know his wife had never been proud of her country till this election."
So what! I'm only proud for 3 days now and the last 8 years have been nothing but disgust. Maybe if we were both black, we might have a better understanding of Michelle's feelings.
"He didn't know that over 43,000 of his donors had given amounts well over the legal limit."
Where is the investigation?
You do have an answer for everything, so I guess there is no purpose in trying to get you to at least see that all of these things add up to something as far as we are concerned. He is your candidate, so you just dismiss them. I fear him, for many reasons, so I can't. So, now we can see why nothing gets done in Washington as well. Thank you for helping me get out my frustrations over the last two days. To continue seems pointless.
"To continue seems pointless."
Yes, I suppose it does, especially when you make statements like this: "I fear [Obama]."
Why do you "fear" him, vicki? Based on what exactly? Something you read on NewsMax? Heard on hate radio? Saw on Fox "news"?
Really, vicki, on WHAT is your "fear" based?
Obama's response to the Rev. Wright situation was enlightening. Having once been a church-goer for over 30 years, I find it impossible to believe that in 20 years time Obama was unaware of his pastor's beliefs. One simply doesn't stay with a church for 20 years if you have problems with the pastor's beliefs.
For Obama to say that he never heard the opinions expressed in the publicized sermons, and was unaware of Rev. Wright's feelings, is asking us to ignore the sun in the sky and say it is night.
And now Obama has been elected POTUS.
Patricia...could we actually have a conversation? I won't demean you and you don't demean me. I am pretty sure we are both adults. The unknown in itself breeds fear. Combine that with what he has already said he would do, and then what I have heard and read on Fox or in NewsMax, yeah, I am afraid. This economy and I for that matter, cannot afford higher taxes. Tell me honestly that you "know" for a fact he won't raise taxes. I know what he said. Do you honestly believe everything he says? Maybe that is what it all boils down to. We each have candidates because we believe in them, therefore you believe what they say. I do not have any confidence in what he says. I don't trust him. Maybe it is as simple as that. His ideals are so far from mine. I am a conservative. I believe in low taxes and less government. I don't think government can solve all of our problems by throwing money at them. I don't think there is enough money to fix all of our problems. I am old enough to know what a socialist country is. When he said "spread the wealth" around, that sent fear through the hearts of many a person. Barney Frank, Patricia? Do you believe he is a good man? I don't. I believe he was fiddling while Rome burned when it came to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Do you believe that the Democratic Senator with the $90,000 dollars in his freezer was using it as a savings deposit box? I wouldn't believe that if he were a republican. I think Ted Stevens of Alaska has to go. If they are crooks, they shouldn't be in office. I don't care what party they belong to. If they hurt or deceive the American people they should go. Anyone can make a mistake. I don't think these are examples of that. We seem to want to look the other way when they are on our side. I don't. I can only go on my instincts, and they tell me he will be bad for our country. That doesn't make me a racist, it just makes me afraid that this man is not honest, and I feel that and you don't. Ya know what? I pray that your side is right, for all our sakes!
vicki - "You do have an answer for everything..."
That's it? You're not going to respond because I have an answer for everything? What in the hell does that mean?
You'll never survive on this site being a coward Vicki. People like me are going to rip you to shreds. Not because we all know more than you, but because we are willing to actually defend our positions. Your defense is "this is what I really believe and you don't respect it". Wow! Who could ever question that???
You seem to want to make statements and then get irritated when someone wants substantiation or explanation. As far as I can see, this is not the place where you can do that. You might want to setup your own blog somewhere and not allow anyone to comment on your entries. That may be more to your liking.
You get the award for worst rebuttal I've seen thus far. IMHO, you're really bad at this. From here, this is what it looks like...
Vicki - "Sarah Palin is the best choice for VP"
Lefty - Sarah Palin is not qualified. She's inept at foreign policy. Her experience is limited to seeing Russia from Alaska. Doesn't that concern you?
Vicki - "You have an answer for everything! What good is talking to you?"
See how Lefty gets hang with no response and all you did was make a statement with no backup? Yup, that's what you do Vicki. Good luck with that. It'll be like a skeet shoot for many people here.
Or, here's one I know you'll like. John McCain spent years paling around with known communists! I can't believe anyone would try to get away with that and become president! He's also an anti-semetic Jew hater and fathered a black child out of wedlock! He should be in jail, not the Whitehouse!
Sound stupid enough Vicki? I hope so. Because that's how you sound on this end. Stupid. And cowardly.
vicki, I'm sorry but if you actually get your "news" from NewsMax and Fox, we really have nothing to discuss.
And yes, I'm summarily dismissing BOTH of those outlets ... especially NewsMax. That has to be one of the single most dishonest web sites on the Internet.
But I will put forth this: I have to wonder if you felt the same way about GWB. This is a guy who has ridden Daddy's coattails his entire miserable life; a guy who claimed "God" wanted him to run for president; a guy who apparently doesn't have a driving record prior to the age of 40; a guy who the right wing claimed "served honorably in the military" and yet spent a good chunk of his "military time" campaigning for Daddy's friends in other states.
His sum total of "experience" was tanking one business after another and serving as "governor" of Texas, a position that entails approximately 120 days of "work" every two or three years, or so I was told by an actual Texas resident.
Yet I'll just bet NONE OF THIS bothered you at all. Rather, you were probably whining about Al Gore's lies and Al Gore's earthtones and Al Gore this and Al Gore that, NEVER ONCE trying to research for yourself, instead relying on "NewsMax" to give you facts.
So no, vicki, we have NOTHING to discuss.
boftx - "Having once been a church-goer for over 30 years, I find it impossible to believe that in 20 years time Obama was unaware of his pastor's beliefs."
Be careful not to listen through the ears of preference my friend.
"Obama...had not ever heard these comments."
Big difference between what he said and what you said he said. Can you see it? Can you tell me the difference between "comments" and "beliefs"?
In my mind, it goes like this...
Comment: "Sometimes I think, G.D. America for treating tha blsack man this way!"
Belief: "I believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that he loves every one of us. Even those we hate or disagree with. Except boftx. I think God only sorta likes boftx. But he does not love that Phelps guy in Kansas at all!"
See the difference?
A post election hazing of Palin by Fox? Huh? WHAT???
Gee I haven't heard a word of this from the Fox fans here,
Humm...I wonder why that is?
I love the way O'Reilly tries to cut off his own guy, but he just can't get him to stop telling horrible stories! Palin is worse than I thought. Much!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8VOciA8L...
Vicki, you should watch this. It might help you see what a good judge of character you aren't.
Lieberman spoke his mind. We need more of that in Washington. I thought we sent that message with this election.
The Democrats need to purge their ranks.
They need to teach Lieberman a lesson and punish those that try to have an independent mind.
Call Reid's office now and demand that Lieberman be kick out of the caucus and his chairmanships stripped from him.
this is exactly what is wrong with our government...all the partisan politics.
all the fighting amongst themselves, never actually accomplishing anything. all the while, we the people suffer.
our party system is a joke
cjc702 "our party system is a joke"
"It is the worse system except as compared to all the others."
-- Winston Churchill
He was speaking of democracy as a whole, but I think it applies.
Well good morning everyone. Gee Johne, I missed so much from you and Patricia. You are right, I misjudged. I misjudged you both. I thought you were reasonable human beings. I thought this was a blog site where I could say how I felt and be challenged. What it is though is a bunch of hot headed babies, gloating over their win, with absolutely nothing to do but call people who don't agree with them names. No, I don't belong here. I will find a site where they have some intelligence. Ripping people to shreds, I will leave that to you. I am not stupid, nor am I a coward. I just have better things to do.
Vicki, I will miss you almost as much as I will miss George Bush.
Grow some nards.
Wow...tough group. No wonder republicans think they can't talk to us. Hey guys lighten up. This isn't how we make friends and influence enemies.
johnevegas,
I specifically used the word "opinion" to describe Rev. Wright's comments so as make some distinction between religious and secular beliefs. Having said that, it is my opinion that one's faith (or beliefs if you prefer) usually has a profound impact on how one sees the world and thinks it should be.
Again, I think it is unlikely for anyone to stay with one pastor for 20 years if they have concerns over that pastor's beliefs or opinions, and various comments from Rev. Wright can be considered as cause for concern.
Fair enough boftx. And I agree, it's hard to imagine that he didn't hear them.
It's something like Clinton's "I didn't inhale". Right... whatever Bill. But, though we all knew it was probably a lie, it didn't make him a pot smoker.
As I sit here, it is hard for me to imagine how you and I can really judge from the outside. It is also hard to relate to the energetic of a black church without being black, and going to that church. This is not unique to them. It's true of any church, temple, ashram or otherwise.
I'm just really uncomfortable with the entire notion of going inside Obama's church to judge him. Really uncomfortable. I would not want anyone to judge me for mine, or for anything my pastor, preacher, or guru says. Judge me for what "I" believe and what "I" stand for.
How is it possible to judge someone other than on their actions? And we do judge, as we must, when we cast our votes.
I was referring to Wright's comments. Not Obama attending and hearing them or not.
I think we cannot judge the comments out of context. We would need to hear the entire sermon, or even string of sermons to understand where he might have been coming from.
The fact that Obama was so quick to distance himself from Rev. Wright after initally offering support says it all.
Again, those actions are worthy of further consideration as we observe Obama's future words and performance.
I don't think it says much. I think he did what he had to do, politically. Like Bill did. That's what I meant before.
Do I think Obama hates America? Nope. I think he loves America even more than I do.
Do I think Obama beliefs are the same as Wright's? Not about anything other than Jesus Christ maybe.
And yes, we will watch him. But I expect nothing at all to confirm any of this Wright stuff, or the Ayers stuff, or any of that other nonsense.
I learned more about politics in this election than any other. All is fair in love and war, and politics. Those things were said and/or trumped up to get people to vote one way or another. I get it.
But all that is over now and it's water under the bridge. Time to forget it and take the man seriously on his own merits. I think you said that though.
Where did I call you names, vicki? Did you forget your first few posts on this thread and the hostility and immaturity and "sore-loser-ness" that oozed from each one?
Projection is NOT an attractive trait, vicki. Go to the R-J. You'll find a few more people who think as you do.
But you'll find a lot more of us, too.
So maybe you should try FreeRepublic. They don't allow "us" to post there. That's how secure in the right-wing belief system they are.
Patricia - Check this line out...
Vicki: "I thought this was a blog site where I could say how I felt and be challenged."
What am I missing here? Maybe by challenged she means "Nice day we're having"?
Yes, that must be it. I can't for the life of me understand how someone who admits to getting their information from one of the most dishonest web sites to ever grace the Internet gets put-off by that being challenged.
Yes, vicki, THAT was a challenge; a challenge to find at least one reputable source for the information that apparently is the basis for your "fear".
You did not stand up to the challenge. You never responded to that point. You never really responded to any point, come to think of it. You simply reiterated your "fear" and blasted those of us who not only disagreed with you, but CHALLENGED you to support your opinions. You were even put-off by those of us who responded to your points by claiming we had "an answer for everything".
The mind boggles at that one.
(BTW, I have been watching NewsMax since before 1999 when they were one of the biggest Y2K fear-mongering web sites on the Internet. I kept watching them for their "politics". There is nothing honest or ethical about that web site. They have no problem printing outright lies and spinning half-truths on a constant basis, all the while overlooking just about anything done by a member of the right wing.)