Well my last comment got deleted, I guess my response was a little foul. But not all salespeople are nothing but a bunch of S.O.B's, we have real families with real problems just like everybody else. So when we all get catergorized as S.O.B's that is a real ignorant statement. With all the computer access that the consumer has today as to new and used car values and to their own credit scores how can any consumer allow themselves to not get a great car deal. We as salespeople work 10-12 hours a day with no guarantee of an income, so if we seem eager to help you, why dont you try being honest and upfront with us and stop treating us like we are the black plague. The average salesperson sells between 8-10 cars a month, which is basically around 96-120 a year, so who do you think is more knowledgable about what is what. If you tell us what you want and we dont deliver then leave, yes there are bad employees in every business. You mean to tell me that nobody outside of a car salesman ever treated you poorly?? Why is it that the average markup on furniture is 300%, yes it's 300%!!! But you hug the guy at Ashley for ripping your head off, Walmart's average markup is 28%. When was the last time you dickered with the cashier on your purchase? The average markup on a mid level new vehicle today is 3%. So why is it that all consumers want to call us full commission salespeople scum and leaches?? Why are we labeled for trying to make a couple of dollars? Do any of you out there work for free?? I doubt it! So try a little honesty next time you are on the car lot, it's O.K. to say we are her cause we need a car. It's also o.k. to let your salesperson know that you've researched your trade and the invoice value of our vehicle. Honesty goes a long,long way, and until you try it and stop crucifying us then it's more your own fault for making the last stupid decision than it is the salesmans. Shame on you if you dont do your research because IT IS AVAILABLE. I'm proud of who I am and my family deserves to have a roof over their heads also.