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The problem with fines is they don't bring any sense of closer to the victim's family no matter what the cost because no one can put financial value on life. And then it hurts small businesses with fewer resources to begin with while barely being noticed by large corporations. Did you know big companies budget for fines? They just consider it cost of doing business.
To give real "teeth" to these punishments, responsible parties need to face real consequences like jail time. If you knowingly have a jobsite running without proper safety precautions in place and someone dies, that's akin to murder. Manslaughter at the very least. Why not give these people something more concrete to fear so they'll actually enforce theirs and OSHA's regulations.
"Already, MGM Mirage and Perini have agreed to increase training requirements for workers."
I hope so. I've been on three Perini sites so far and the safety training for the most part consisted of a dated 30 minute video that most people watched through their eyelids. The City Center training was more involved but still consisted of a lot of video in a dark room at 4 in the morning. Half the people I "remind" of certain policies claim they never knew them to begin with.
Moreover, there are a lot of helpers/pre-apprentices on site. Where apprentices at least get the same safety training and get to follow their journeymen around, helpers get sent off alone constantly with almost no knowledge of what they need to do. That kind of inexperience tied with shoddy instruction and bare minimum training is an accident waiting to happen.
Hell, I've known some of these guys to open manlift gates 50 stories up without a lift being there. It exposed them to a completely unprotected fall and no one seemed to care. They just wanted to see if they could do it.
It just goes to show both the contractors and the workers need to put safety to the front of their minds. They need a healthy respect for what could happen if they don't work safely. I've seen the results firsthand and it's only made worse knowing something simple could have prevented it.
Just a thought but, on V'Dara tower the electricians all meet first thing each morning and check in then do their stretching routine. I don't know if Fisk has the same routine but if they do at least check in, someone had to see Mark before the accident. If they didn't someone would have probably tried calling to see if he was coming in. My point is, someone should have seen or heard from him. Who would that be and what insight might he have? Does anyone on this site know the Fisk crew from that Saturday? They should at least be able to say why and for how long he was alone.
I'm sure investigators have asked these questions but considering all we've been hearing, I prefer the horse's mouth over an official statement. If anywhere this is a good enough place to let it be known.
Bugsy you are correct. I was not there. I was in the adjacent building when this happened. I was with our electricians' foreman as he was receiving word when they found Mark. His people told him what they thought happened based on what they could see at the time. Without an investigation this is purely speculation.
I just wanted to get the information I had out there because I know NV OSHA has a running history now of retracting its findings after dealing with the named at-fault companies (read the related topic "Construction Deaths"). That combined with the fact that unions and companies here have openly stated the rash of deaths and injuries lately are entirely workers' faults all the while I hear daily from foremen and workers alike about how corners are cut and safety issues are ignored because companies won't provide material, equipment or flatly instruct to ignore the issue (i.e. live electrical cords all over the floor with not one suspended overhead or hung on walls per OSHA requirements). Then I watch OSHA officials literally step over some of these problems during their "surprise" inspections without pointing them out (you should see the superintendents sweat when they hear OSHA is coming). I feel obliged to make sure families know what is going on before findings are scrapped or media statements are made prematurely or after-the-fact to begin "damage control".
As, hopefully, everyone knows, don't blindly believe everything you read. Even take my words with a grain of salt. I'm sure I'm biased and despite my efforts it does affect my commentary. Just be cognizant that a lot is at stake in projects of this magnitude. They expect a certain number of injuries and deaths and budget accordingly. That does not mean these companies are going to lay down and accept blame without a fight.
Take this to heart. Nearly a dozen deaths can be attributed to City Center and Cosmopolitan. The official count is less than half that because the deaths, while in direct result of the injuries sustained on-site, occurred off-site at hospitals and thus are not part of the statistics.
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I know lasvegasnow.com had an article but I have not read it and do not know of any follow-ups.
ktnv.com had an article that was a misinformed mess. They mixed Mark's accident with and accident my friend suffered the same day. I've already called in a correction.
Aside from those I know no other sources. I think this forum and the workers commenting here are about as good as it gets unless you can reach an actual investigator that will speak to you.