User profile: ShellyBean

Tonip - In 50 years as a member, not once did I ever hear of a person's excommunication being announced. Remember, excommunication is not a "punishment". It is an act of love. It removes the individual from the covenants they made at baptism and in the temple, therefore, their immoral behavior is not mocking God. It is a chance for the individual to begin a repentance process when they are ready. I can't speak for the Lamborn situation because I have not heard of it, nor was there anything when I googled the name. It is not a practice used in the church. I have taught seminary, gospel doctrine and taken numerous church history courses and never have I heard of anything but complete confidentiality for an individual.

Jewelrygirl, I am very close to the Dean that is in charge of this situation. I can tell you, Chad did try to complete two classes online after he was given notice that his diploma would not be awarded. He broke the rules of the University, not because he was excommunicated. There are many non-memebers attending BYU.

I do not, however, know the reasons for his excommunication. If it was conduct unbecoming, then he obviously did not want to correct a wrong and no, refusing to pay tithing is not an offense for excommunication. There are numerous members who do not pay tithing.

I think Chad will be much happier away from the restriction and confines of the gospel for now considering the activities he wants to uphold. He really shouldn't try to shift the responsibility of his wrong doing onto the church when it is obvious he does not honor the priesthood he was ordained to. It's that simple. No one is "tied down" in the church, yet, there is no room for trouble makers either.

Angelrize - the church will never publicly state a person's excommunication and Hardy knows that. He is playing this card. There are set reasons for excommunication, and printing half naked calendars are not on the list.

9ballguy - polygamy was sanctioned in the Bible and during the early days of the church because it was commanded by the Lord. If we were to practice it now, we would not be following the Lord. Polygamy is good under certain conditions. It would not work in our cultures today and the FLDS is good look at how it gets perverted when it is not sanctioned by God.

CaptJack - The section you want removed is not just for polygamy. Yes, we believe the highest kingdom will have an accommodation for those who had more than one wife, legally, in this life, but it is also a word about the importance of marriage (that it is required) for anyone in that level of the kingdom. Yes, there will be parts of the kingdom inhabited by singles, but they will not have eternal increase until they marry. The pattern has been set since the beginning of time and the scriptures validate that marriage, ordained by God, is only between a man and a woman for the purpose of eternal increase. Just as we are his "multiple" children throughout the corridors of time.

Mr. Hardy is hiding the truth. He did not get excommunicated for the calendars. The church cannot comment because of confidentiality.

His diploma was stopped during his excommunication and he tried to snake the university by taking online classes to finish the diploma.

He also needs to take his transcripts and transfer to another school and finish his diploma. He knew this months before graduation.

He just needs take responsibility for breaking the moral rules and move on with his life, with or without the church.

By the way, polygamist consider marriage to be sacred, does Mr. Hardy support them too? I hope not.