Interestingly, every time the media focuses on what Bill said or didn't say, Hillary wins.

how did the culinary union decide to back obama instead of clinton. did it poll its workers or did D. Taylor, who was obnoxioulsy in front of TV cameras constantly for the past week decide for the rank and file. perhaps there lies the blame.

You may disagree with the Clintons but Bill and Hillary have always run for office to try to fix what's wrong and to help the people. Bill didn't govern in order to make his friends richer as the the current Bush has.

1) If you are going to make arguments based on facts, you should check your facts first. The Senate that acquitted Clinton had a majority Republican. There were 55 Republican Senators and 45 Democratic members. The Senate Majority Leader was Trent Lott, Republican.

["With Articles 1 and 3, pertaining to perjury and obstruction of justice, having been approved by the House of Representatives, Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott announced that President Clinton's impeachment trial would begin in the Senate on Thursday, January 7, 1999.

Remarkably, the partisan rancor, which had been so evident during the House proceedings, appeared at first to be somewhat diminished in the Senate as the 55 Republican and 45 Democratic senators began their solemn duties, sitting in silent judgment of Clinton with the potential outcome being the first-ever removal of an elected President."

http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates...

2) Al Gore lost because he ran away from Clinton. He also lost because the Republican-appointed Supreme Court inserted itself into the recount and prohibited the full recount. Gore wouldn't have had a chance if Clinton hadn't left office with a surplus and with nearly 70% approval rating.

everyone should go read this story about apparent intimidation by shop steward of workers who are undecided or are not supporting obama.

“The lady told all of us: Nobody can go to the caucus unless you’re voting for Obama,” Angers said. “They have no right to do what they did. This is America. You should be able to vote for who you feel like. It doesn’t matter who the union is endorsing. They can try to persuade us but it doesn’t mean people have to vote for them.”

But Antuna tells a different story. She said she was filling out a voter registration form when the union reps approached her about Obama. When she told them she wasn’t sure about caucusing for him, one rep took her registration form, indeed telling her that she couldn’t participate Saturday if she wasn’t supporting Obama.

At that point, Antuna said, Angers and DeFalco, who were sitting at a neighboring table, engaged the union rep in a heated discussion. Antuna said she sat silent while both sides swapped words. She doesn’t recall the bit about the pledge cards.

One key fact: The union reps spoke broken English.

“It’s possible it was a miscommunication,” Antuna said.

In fact, Antuna said the Culinary called her later to inform her the union had received her voter registration form, spoken with her supervisor and that she was clear to caucus during her shift on Saturday.

“I don’t even know what to think,” she said. “This is totally new to me. I’m just glad I can actually go and caucus.”

Antuna said she’s undecided on a candidate.

Pilar Weiss, political director of the Culinary, said she would try to find out about the incident.

“I’m not belittling it,” Weiss said. “I’m taking it seriously, and I’m going to look into It. But we’re conducting training all the time with our staff to be respectful of other opinions. We would never engage in voter intimidation.”

She said that with just a few days before the caucus, many members have become emotionally attached to Obama and other candidates, which can lead to misunderstandings and miscommunications.

“We want our members to stick together and support Obama, but our organizers are being trained to know some of our members and their families are participating for other candidates. And we want them to participate,” she said."

http://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/early-l...

Mango is right. That's why caucuses are undemocratic. With a primary, if you can't be there on a particular day because of religious beliefs, because you are serving in the Armed Forces, because you are having an operation, or because you have to work that day, you can vote via absentee ballot. With a caucus, you have to be there or lose your right to vote.

Katy,
Clinton was impeached because he was so competent and popular that the republicans found no other way to bring him down. But he was not convicted. We as democrats should understand that better than others. We do not use slander and innuendo to punish people.

If we were to allow the Republican's wrongful impeachment of Bill Clinton to turn us against him and even more so against Senator Clinton, we would be allowing the malicious treachery of the republicans to win.

That is not what America is about. If you want to slander Senator Clinton for the Republicans' wrongful conduct, then you should just become a republican. That's what the swiftboaters did to Kerry. It's just plain wrong.

But you didn't answer my question, are you a member of the Culinary Union? or of the Obama campaing?

Katy, are you a member of the Culinary Union? My recollection of the Clinton years, and I live in the DC metropolitan area and followed it closely, is that the republicans spent $70 million dollars investigating Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton and found no criminal wrongdoing. The impeachment of Clinton over his involvement with Monica Lewinsky was completely driven by partisan politics. As the House Judiciary Committee was inpeaching President Clinton, the Republican Chair of that Committee Henry Hyde, from Illinois had his long-time mistress sitting in the House Chamber. Newt Gingrinch, the Republican Speaker of the House was screwing one of his staffers, and his successor, Robert Livingston had to resign when it was learned that he too was screwing around.

No one in the Clinton administation was convicted.

So, please do not repeat the Republican lies. It does your candidate, Barack Obama no good.

Jon, I understood you to say that some of the plaintiffs in the law suit are Edwards supporters. What is the truth?

This is what Jon Ralston has said about the plaintiffs in the case: "(The plaintiffs actually are mostly Edwards folks.)" So why are you blaming Clinton.